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Coming up. NFL Network insider Tom Pellicero. Actor Dylan O'Brien. And now, it's Rich Eisen. We've had a first delightful two hours, if I may say so.
Enjoyed chatting with Jeff Hafley and Marcus. Marcus Jones for the first time. I almost said Marcus Smart. Marcus Jones for the first time, the new head coach of the Dolphins. And Defensive/slash special teams captain.
Of the New England Patriots. In the first two hours, we had a what's more likely top five list. All went down about people whose career narrative changes the most with the Super Bowl appearance. All of that is available through podcast form or watching it back on Disney Plus, or soon to be placed piecemeal on our YouTube channel, youtube.com/slash Rich Eisen Show for those who may have missed it. Dylan O'Brien, whose new film coming out next week called Send Help, is sitting in our green room.
He's going to come out in less than 20 minutes' time. He's a diehard Jet fan.
So, um ironic that his new Film is God send help. He'll be out here shortly, but joining us in his usual Friday spot from NFL Network, my fellow inside man, is ladies and gentlemen, Tom Pellicero. Good to see you, Tom. How are you? Good to see you, Rich.
Doing great. What's up to my boys in the studio? Tommy P, what up, baby? What's up, Tommy? You look like you're hunkered down, man.
You're killing it. That's what you look like to me, that you got all your supplies, the cold snaps out there right now. You look like T, Tom. I have never seen it before. Checking the weather app last night.
Just like, I wonder how cold it is. Feels like temp minus 41 here in Minneapolis. That is the record, I think, anytime I've ever checked it. If you weren't such a hardworking lead pipe-wielding professional of your own right, looking at you in the sweats and seeing you, I'd think you'd given up, you know, like Seinfeld style. You've given up.
This is it. But it's okay. Lots going on. It says catastrophic ice and heavy snow. Ladies and gentlemen.
Yeah. Catastrophic. I mean, it's like frozen. Wow. All right, Tom.
Let's get into the sports here. And the. Naming of Jesse Minter. It didn't surprise me, but walk me through the Ravens process that wound up with the. DC of the Chargers as the H C.
Well, when we were doing the breaking news on John Harbaugh being fired a couple of weeks ago, you know, one of the first names that came out of my mouth as a lodgecore replacement was Jesse Minter. He had been in that building for four years. We all know about the Baltimore to Michigan to the Chargers-Harbaugh connection. Minter has checked all three of those boxes, spent his time in Michigan, then was the defensive coordinator of the Chargers. Didn't get any head coaching interviews last year, but certainly had a bunch of opportunities.
You know, really, this came to a head a couple of days ago. He was down in Miami interviewing for the Raiders' head coaching job, then flew to Baltimore to interview for the Ravens' job, had a second interview schedule with the Browns. He let them know, you know, if they weren't going to make him an offer, he wasn't going to come and go through the second interview. And everybody, including the Raiders, believed Minter was probably going to end up back in Baltimore. You know, the interesting part of the timing here, Rich, was, you know, they essentially knew they were hiring Jesse Minter on Wednesday night.
The issue was they had a Thursday interview. With Joe Brady.
Well, they wanted to go through with that interview in part, I believe, because Joe Brady, now, depending how some other things fall, could end up being the offensive coordinator. Another logical name that came up way back at the start of this is a potential candidate to take over. When you're talking about Lamar Jackson, his skill set at this time in his career. He's not built like Josh Allen, but there are some similar types of things that you can do in terms of the run threat, in terms of the vertical passing. Joe Brady would be a fit.
Now the question becomes, does Joe Brady get the Bills head coaching job? Does he potentially get the Cardinals head coaching job, which he interviewed for a couple of days ago? Is there even a scenario where he goes back to Buffalo as the OC? That seems like the least likely of the options right now. We'll see how some of these things fall, and it might take a little bit of time.
But if you're talking about who the likely candidates would be to take over the offense now in Baltimore with Minter coming from the defensive side, I would put Joe Brady along with the likes of Cliff Kingsbury as a potential option. Maybe Matt Nagy could be an option. Those types of guys are on those offenses, all different shades of it, but all potentially could be a fit for where they want to take Lamar in that offense in Baltimore.
So I guess, as you know, it's a what's more likely Friday. Who's more likely to be back in Buffalo next year, Joe Brady or Keon Coleman? Trump. Keon Coleman, through no fault, really, well, I guess his fault because of various things and not showing up on time for meetings, dropping footballs in the end zone. He kind of did put himself in that position, but fairly rare for the owner to jump in and let everyone know exactly who was at fault for a pick that to this point doesn't look like it's worked out very well.
There were a lot of different things in that press conference. Any of us who have spent any amount of time, though, around Terry Pagula, no, he doesn't speak publicly often. But when he does, there is no filter. You don't quite know what he's going to say. He is extremely blunt and honest, and you got a lot of honesty through the course of that press conference, whether it was about Keon Coleman, whether it was about him defending Brandon Bean.
You know, somebody in the crowd asked Bean about various things in terms of the idea that he ran a power play. And Terry said something that maybe shed a little bit of light on the things behind the scenes, which is if you're running a power play, you're Out. I'm not saying Sean McDermott ran a power play, but certainly McDermott had voiced his concerns and frustration with what he perceived to be not having enough talent on the roster. Obviously, Pagula so strongly disagreed with that that not only did he fire Sean McDermott, he promoted Brandon Bean, who now is going to be over the top of the new head coach, rather than both reporting to the owner. And Bean, along with Terry Pagula, along with Josh Allen, who's they made abundantly clear in that press conference, is going to be sitting in on everything here.
They are now running a unique coaching search that, depending who you ask, this might be the best job of all 10 that we are filling in this offseason cycle. Yeah, despite the bluntness or the emotions that we saw spilled out by Terry Pagula in that conversation, he did. Hold on to a coach for nine years, and he does have Josh Allen, and that is something. That I think a lot of people would love, along with the fan base and the new stadium, and lots of reason to be excited. Uh otherwise in in western New York.
Is Philip Rivers really in line? Like, I know we were talking about him as a possible coaching candidate down the line, and he did say in front of his locker before going back to Alabama. Prep school. Uh coach. That absolutely he thinks he could coach in the NFL.
Is this real? Tom?
Well, let's go back for a second here, just in terms of the parallels. And I'm not going to bring up Jeff Saturday because nobody wants to be put in that sentence in terms of how that worked out when he came back for the Colts. But you remember several years ago, Josh McCown was coaching high school football. All of a sudden, the Houston Texans brought him in and interviewed him for the head coaching job. There was a feeling there were some people in the organization at that time who wanted to hire Josh McCown as the head coach immediately because he had all the traits, because he had played close to 20 years in the league, because he had some experience, even if it was at the high school level, had been in that seat.
Phillip Rivers, certainly, a Hall of Fame caliber player. He's a better player than Josh McCowan. The question is, is he a stronger coaching candidate based upon the credentials that he would bring into the building? If you're looking at somebody who's going to bring energy and leadership, certainly, you know, Phillip Rivers, by virtue of him, you know, playing a football game after three practices at age 44. Looking like he had not passed on dessert a whole lot during his four-plus years outside of the league.
If he can come back and do that with his brain, what could he do if he's out there just calling plays for a quarterback? There's a lot of other things that go into that head coaching job. You know, I know in the NBA, it's more common for former players just to step right in. There's just, it's a much more complicated job, frankly, to come into the NFL. Not impossible.
They're interviewing him for a reason. Maybe like Josh McCown, it could end up being all right. He's not ready to be the head coach now, but can we convince him to come in and be the quarterback's coach or even the offensive coordinator? I would tell you this: they're wide open in terms of this search. I know that people initially said, well, it's Joe Brady versus Brian Dable.
Those guys both have interviewed for the job. Both are possibilities. I would say probably Joe Brady a little bit more strongly than Brian Dable at this time, but they want to go in with an open mind. This is something very open-minded to bring in Phillip Rivers. They're doing these interviews down in Florida.
He lives in Alabama. It's a short trip over. If nothing else, you're going to be entertained by a few hours in that room. But they didn't want to take a hard line of we've got to have an offensive coordinator be the guy that we're promoting. It can't just be, well, we need this specific profile.
They don't want to be doing another search for another nine plus years. And the fact that Josh is in those meetings, they're very seriously going to take into account what he wants. He played against Phillip Rivers, the two of them. Have a relationship. We'll see exactly how real this becomes.
I would just tell you, Rich, I don't get the sense that you're going to wake up tomorrow and Phillip Rivers is the new head coach of the Bills. I believe they are going to be patient through this process. They quite likely are going to do some additional interviews next week, but because of the rules, Anybody who wins their games this weekend, they can't talk to next week. They have to have the coaches, those teams lose in order to talk to them because they didn't do an initial round back while Sean McDermott still had a job because they were in the playoffs. Tom Palisero here on The Rich Eisen Show.
Where does the Steelers. Head coaching search sit. Tom?
They're with Anthony Weaver right now, Dolphins defensive coordinator, everywhere with Anthony Weaver, and he's been in the cycle now three or four times. Everywhere that Weaver interviews, I remember he interviewed in Atlanta at one time, he interviewed in Washington. Everyone who interviews him says he's unbelievable. You know, he's a former player, you know, has coached in the league for a number of years, but also played, including with the Ravens, who interviewed him for their head coaching job. Very, very engaging, has strong leadership traits.
We'll need a strong staff around him. But you can say that for a lot of young coaches within the league. If you think of what the Steelers' historical hiring patterns have been, Weaver's a little bit older. He's in his 40s. Usually they've hired guys in their mid-30s to be the head coach and then try to keep them for 15 to 20 or more years.
But Weaver, you know, fills a lot of those things that generally the Rooney family has been looking for. But I would also say Mike McCarthy remains a serious candidate. He had his interview in person for the job on Wednesday. Pittsburgh guy, you know, this would be his dream job. He grew up rooting for the Steelers.
Mike McCarthy brings something different to the table than I think virtually any other candidate for any job in this cycle, which is the quarterback development history. If eventually you are needing, whether it's Will Howard or somebody you're drafting, you're going to have to develop a young quarterback. And everywhere Mike McCarthy has been from being in Kansas City and bringing along Rich Gannon into the second act of his career, Brett Favre, who had had a down period in Green Bay and he was a Super Bowl or excuse me, MVP runner-up in 2007. Aaron Rodgers, going from a guy who did not look good in his first preseason in the league to being a four-time NFL MVP. And Dak Prescott played the best football of his life under Mike McCarthy.
I'll never understand where it's the slight that Mike McCarthy takes in terms of not being put in that same category as the guys with almost identical resumes to him, the Tomlins and Sean Paytons and John Harbaughs of the world. Mike McCarthy is a very serious candidate in Pittsburgh for a reason. And they still may choose to go on longer because again, Art Rooney has not presided over a coaching search yet. And given how rarely the Steelers do one. This may be the only one that he does before he passes it down to the next generation of the family.
They may take their time here. They could make a decision as soon as tomorrow. I would think, if I were guessing, this goes into next week, which would allow them to go back and spend some in-person time potentially with, for instance, Chris Shula and Nate Shieldhouse, two guys that they interviewed in that first virtual round.
Well, answering the question you just had moments ago, Tom, about why McCarthy's not placed in a much higher level of respect by media members or owners for another job outside of Jerry Jones. There was that damaging article after he got fired midseason by the Packers that Rogers was calling plays on his own because he didn't trust McCarthy's play calling anymore. There was all the crazy stuff about how prepared McCarthy was for games itself, whether that's right or wrong. That's a narrative that's tough to. To break up to the point where we have time for it now.
You kind of surprised us on a Monday conversation. We were out of time when you said that. That Rogers Could potentially come back to Pittsburgh if they hire McCarthy.
So those two are copacetic. Tom?
Those two have a relationship that transcends the professional relationship, which I think, like plenty of them, if you're around anyone long enough, you know, you become so comfortable that you can be contentious with them at times. I mean, with Aaron Rodgers, he knows what Mike McCarthy has done for his career. He has spoken publicly about that. And, you know, when Mike was like, go encourage people in Green Bay to give him the type of send-off that, frankly, he didn't really get from the Packers organization when they fired him an hour after a game at Lambeau Field. Those two spent time together the first time that, you know, Mike with the Cowboys went back and faced Aaron.
They've always had a long-standing positive relationship. I do believe that if Aaron Rodgers were coming back to play for one coach in 2026, it would be Mike McCarthy. But I think that people may have misconstrued when I mentioned that on the show the other day as, well, this is the Steelers trying to lure back Aaron Rodgers. That's not it at all. If they hire Mike McCarthy, and that's not a given.
Mm. If they hire Mike McCarthy, they are doing it for the totality of what direction they think that they can go right now. They've got a very, very veteran roster. Art Rooney has said publicly, he never wants to rip it to the studs and go full tank mode and just take a season off. He feels like every season is too important for that.
So if you were sitting there going, what do we need to like push this roster forward? Yes, there's going to be some changes. There are some longtime Mike Tomlin guys who probably aren't going to be back on this team. But why not get a guy whose track record has been winning everywhere that he has been? McCarthy's been to the playoffs 12 times in 18 seasons.
He's developed quarterbacks. You know, if you look at the offensive numbers, he's had very good offenses throughout the course of his career. The potential of an Aaron Rodgers return is just, it's kind of a bonus. It at least keeps that door open. Where if there's another coach who has no relationship with Aaron Rodgers, he might just say, you know, I've had enough.
And I know that, you know, there were several different things that were written at the time. I think that anytime that you have these longtime relationships that begin to go south, you know, there's people who, you know, may have access to grind or they, you know, simply aren't happy anymore. Aaron has always been somebody who, you know, he'll say certain things and he'll take his little shots. And that's, that's just his personality. But in terms of where their relationship is now, I think that that, you know, in itself speaks to how overblown, you know, the frankly hate toward Mike McCarthy has gotten.
I mean, I don't know what more you want to get. out of your head coach then, you know. Being in the mix every single year. Yeah, you want to win playoff games. Mike McCarthy's won more playoff games than any active coach, except for Andy Reid and John Harbaugh.
He's got more playoff wins than Mike Tomlin, than Sean Payton, than the younger guys like McVay and Shanahan, who obviously have a long way to go. Mike McCarthy's been a highly successful coach in the NFL. The Cowboys, since their last Super Bowl win, Rich, have exactly six seasons of 12 wins or more. Three of those were by McCarthy in a five-year span. It's baffling to me how Mike McCarthy gets put into this bucket of not being in the same tier as those other coaches, which, you know, frankly, Mike's not immune to it.
And it's one of many reasons that he'd be highly motivated, not to mention the fact that he grew up sweeping the floors at his dad's bar and grill in Pittsburgh and cheering for the Steelers on Sundays to go back after coaching the Packers and the Cowboys and take on maybe the third most iconic franchise in all of football would be pretty cool. NFL insider Tom McCarthy here on The Rich Eisen Show. All right. In the couple minutes I have left here, Tom. Let's go here.
Jimmy Haslam bristled at the Browns front office and operation being termed dysfunctional. Um That said. We're sitting here the Friday before championship weekend. The job is still open from the first. Monday of the coaching cycle.
Word is, they are not Rooney rule compliant. They cannot hire somebody right now. The bills might be looking at somebody that they want to hire. The bills are already Rudy rule compliant. Their job's been open a fraction of the time, and we're reading about people pulling their names out of consideration for the Browns head coaching job.
What is happening there? Tom Pellocero. First of all, I would say Andrew Berry is the last person who is just going to interview somebody solely to fulfill the Rooney rule. If he's conducting an interview, he wants it to be with someone who's a real candidate. Mike McDaniel would have fulfilled that.
He decided that he just didn't want to follow through on that job coming off of his initial Zoom here.
So that's one factor. You're right. They're the only team that has not conducted a single qualifying interview. That'll change or is scheduled to change next week when they have a second interview with Nate Scheelhaus from the Rams. I would just say this.
The Browns search process and interview process, which they have run a number of times. Is unlike any other in the NFL and it plays to certain types of candidates. They are a data-driven operation in Cleveland, and so they spend an extraordinary amount of time gathering data on their coaching candidates. You're talking about taking a personality test, you're talking about writing an essay, you're talking about completing homework assignments, going into both the first and the second rounds of interviews. It plays toward the types of candidates that they have in the mix, which is Very, very smart people in a lot of cases that just often happen to be tall, thin guys who came from Ivy League schools.
So that's certainly not a requirement. That's the type of candidate generally that is going to fit into a data-driven environment.
So great. There's a written test. There's a written test, huh? Really? Like, they want you to write an essay?
This is why I want to be the coach of the Cleveland Browns or questionnaires, a multi-part essay, a personality test. And then additional homework assignments if you get through the first round to get into the second round. As you can imagine, then the answer can't be Google me. Like, you can't go Signetti. I'm serious.
I know I'm being flippant, Tom, but. That to me, I don't know. You're hopping around the country interviewing for jobs. Kids Spouses, boxes being packed because you've hit the road and you're going to sit down and write an essay? You can imagine then when certain candidates decide not to follow through on interviews, part of it may be that it's more than just show up in a nice suit and answer questions in the room.
And that speaks to how the Browns organization operates. Paul Di Vodesta got there 10 years ago. He built out a massive data and analytics department. Those people have a strong voice in everything that the Browns do. There is a lot of time that is consumed.
Once you're on the job with those conversations. And so the interview process is kind of a preview of that.
So we'll see what direction their search goes. Again, Grant Yudinski. Nate Scheelhaus, two big-brain dudes who, you know, again, happen to be tall, thin guys. They both are in the mix. Udinsky's there now.
Scheelhaus expected an interview on Monday. If it's not one of those two, then the other candidates that we know of as of right now are Jim Schwartz, who's the defensive coordinator who they want to keep regardless, and Todd Monkin, who does not fit in any of the categories that I just mentioned, other than he's a very intelligent guy who's run successful offenses in the NFL. I would tell you, Rich, the sense is the Browns are very intrigued by the Udinsky and Schieldhouse possibilities because they're both guys who are, I mean, Grant just turned 30. He's in his first year as the Jaguars OC, but he's unbelievably brilliant. Schieldhouse is in his mid-30s, you know, was at Iowa State most recently with the Rams.
Those guys fit the pattern. If they are not, if they ultimately the Browns on their scorecards that they collect do not decide that those guys are the best candidates, then the default, the belief within the league is. The default would be Jib Schwartz. Then you're trying to figure out: all right, well, now what do you do on offense to pair him? Who is willing to take that offensive coordinator job?
There's just a lot of steps in the process, Rich, but the Browns, this is not new. They have done this for a long time. And it's just, as one high-powered coaching agent said to me the other day when we were going through the list of all the openings, the Browns are the Browns. Their process is different than everyone else's, and we'll see where it leads them this time. Tom, thanks for the time.
We'll see you on NFL Game Day morning, 9 a.m. Eastern Time, six hours on NFL Network. See you, buddy. Can't wait. Tom Pellisero, everybody, right here on the Rich Eisen Show.
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Our radio audience has just returned. We just saw an awesome clip starring Rachel McAdams and this man back here on The Rich Eisen Show, friend of the program, Dylan O'Brien, is back here. Let's just jump into this. I mean, what is it like being directed by Sam Raimi? Um who's done everything from Back in the day, horror to Spider-Man.
What was that like for you? He's very silly. Get out of here. Yeah, he's a very silly guy. He's very funny.
All right. He's almost kinda like a, you know, he fashions himself like a comedian, you know. And he and he is. He's very funny. He's very physically funny.
He does very committed bits. The first time I ever met him, I walked into his office and he had a paper bag on his head. Yeah, and like he totally and he's like, Hey, pal, how are you? Hey, it's Sam.
Okay.
So, and he kept it on for like eight minutes, and the whole time I was just going, like, all right, I'm out of here. Like,. Uh And it's incredible. He does things like that. Yeah, he had two holes cut out.
And then he sort of kind of. He had a lack of oxygen going on, so we had to get it off his. He's like, all right, actually. And then it was like, he's like, it swelled a little bit in the heat. And he's trying to get it off his head.
But it's very disarming. I would say so. You know what I mean, though? Honestly, you walk in and it's like, you know, I've known who the guy is my whole life. Of course.
You know, so. You know, you can be a little nervous and wondering what he's going to be like. I already had a little idea because of weird text that he would send me, and the time I met him over Zoom, but that moment is very welcoming. It's very like a sort of disarming way to start off the creative professional relationship. It sort of goes a long way in terms of how he operates, which is really wanting your contribution, you know, and your ideas.
You know, he's not like a dictator, you know, and that's. That breeds a good environment.
Well, again, you play Rachel McAdams' boss, and then you're on a private flight, and disaster hits, and then all of a sudden. you know, the dynamic of your relationship changes because, you know, you know You're now in survivalist mode. Yeah. And a psychological thriller breaks out here. Yeah.
Yeah. And there's a lot of they set that initial dynamic, but what they've done a really cool job of too, all the while getting the movie out there is they've really preserved sort of the there's a lot more like twists and turns and it becomes like a battle of wits and a very chess matchy kind of the movie takes on so many different shapes like the ground's constantly moving underneath you so you never kind of know where it's going you shot this in Thailand right yeah Sydney and then Thailand yeah half and half like six weeks five weeks each damn yeah it was wild so were you just setting up camp on this island essentially like like survivor um shooting this thing no it's so much more glamorous than that it's okay uh you know i mean it was like a dream job but you know just like with sam and rachel's amazing uh she seems really nice she's the coolest is she canadian she is canadian that makes sense very good yeah i mean they all are that's it they all are nice and or have crazy road rage it's one or the other You know what I mean? It's one or the other. They're either just like, oh, yeah, hey, are you driving in a golf cart with her to set and she starts yelling at people? No, no, not Rachel.
She's the best. No, just I know from being in Toronto. Oh, okay. To be fair, though, that traffic is. Uh, so it does something, it must do something to them, okay.
All right, well, this again, this looks pretty sweet and for you, and it's coming out on January 30th. And, you know, again, Twinless, which you were here for the last time, congrats on being nominated for a Spirit Award. Thank you, thank you, dude. You saw that? That's so cool.
Of course, I appreciate that so much. I follow your exploits and everything going on because, you know, I feel like you and I share a kinship. We do. And emotional scars. We do.
We do. You know, drama bond. Yeah. Trama. Yeah.
It's sweet. It's sweet. Is it true you were set up to go to the new house school in Syracuse to do sports casting and decided to go acting instead? That is somewhat true.
Okay.
Yeah. I. I don't know how set up it was. It was, I did have scholarship money from. Uh, weirdly enough, YouTube videos that I had made in in high school that actually were the funny little things that I had out there that ended up getting me into acting.
Um But yeah, that was the Syracuse was the only four-year at the time when I was graduating that I was considering doing. And then I I kind of asked my parents how they felt about me staying and hitting community college and trying the auditioning thing, which had just very uh overnight been presented as an opportunity and and I think With my parents? Yeah. I mean, very luckily, you know, I mean, my dad's a camera operator, so he's, you know, he's worked on sets my whole life. And my parents both are big movie lovers.
My mom was an actress when she was younger. She acted in high school, went to performing arts high school in New York.
So I have two movie lover parents and Yeah, that went a long way in understanding that conversation because especially at the time, I graduated high school in 2009, it was very much so still like four-year was the track. I think community college and transfer was even just sort of But my father had done that route in New York. He had gone to St. John's and then community and then transferred to NYU.
So, and you know, they just, yeah, and my mom was very encouraging about the acting thing too. She was very kind of like, always thought I might be good at it if I tried it out, but I never did growing up. And then, so, yeah, they were like, listen, community college, here's the deal. We'll basically like. We can pay your rent as long as you're in school, and that's the deal.
And So that's kind of how we did it.
Okay.
So, and so ever since you made that decision, you know what? There you go. The Jets haven't made the play. Dylan, you knew where he was going. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm trying to find the watershed moment here. Sure. Literally, right? No, they went to the AFC Championship in 2010, right?
Okay.
Okay.
Very good. Very good. They did. And then ever since then. And then ever since then, yeah.
It is. It is. All right, let's get into it. What's going on?
Well, the Patriots are on the doorstep of the Super Bowl. Bring it. Yeah, could you imagine again? What's worse? The Patriots zoomed past the Jets in that Diamond Lane, you know, and you thought like they were just worse.
No, in the NFL Diamond Lane, I just zoomed straight past and then may have to face Darnold in the same way. As Darnold makes the Super Bowl and the Patriots make it, I would love it for him. Listen, I would love it for him. Of course. The Pats, come on.
It's just not fair. I get it. Drake May, it's just not fair. They keep hitting. They keep hitting.
You know, we we just never hit. Even when we hit, they gotta go somewhere else to hit. You know, that's right. It's actually fair. Robert Sala might be the next one.
On that list, too. Let's see. You know, we'll see. We'll see, but it's just another organization that's like, okay, I see what you got, Robert Sala, that the Jets just decided mid-season that didn't work out, yeah, yeah, it wasn't for us. Yeah, it wasn't for us.
Wasn't for us. You know, sorry to laugh, but this is the only reaction you can possibly have. What do you think? It's how I even developed a sense of humor. Because, again, it's now being asked of you to believe in a rebuild again.
Now it's being asked, like, now we've got the GM and the coach combination to trade away Sauce and Quinnen and amass all these five first rounders next year. And at some point, go back into the draft and find the guy. Like, trust us. We'll get those guys again. Right.
Yeah, yeah, and make sure they're in good hands this time. Oh, yeah. We'll get them again. Sure. Um.
Here's what's embarrassing. I'm excited. Yeah. Don't be embarrassed. You know what's funny?
It's like, that's the sickness. That's the sickness. I'm like, man, we got three first rounders next year. We got two this year. I'm just like looking at the pretty good.
And Arch Manning's going to be in that draft with the three firsts. That is true. I do hear that that's the year, if you're looking for a QB, wait till 2027.
Well, they did that on purpose. Like, they had a choice to say to.
Well, yes, I think we no doubt that the Cowboys, I'm sure, were willing to let's get the firsts out of the way. They had an extra one next year because they of Micah getting right. And the Jets are like, no, we'll take 27. Take that. Yeah, okay.
I think 100% that happened. Yeah, the 2027 draft is supposed to be the deep QB draft. Yeah. Arch. What do you think about Arch, though?
I mean, there's a lot of.
Well, you're asking a Michigan Wolverine who watched him blossom and bloom. Hey, it all happened right in front of you. Yeah. Right in front of me. He found it.
He did. And TJ's got one of his rookie cards he's waiting to cash in for what, a yacht? What do you imagine? Like Elma Jerry's Frog Millionaire? But that wasn't exactly siphoning a diamond that nobody was on, you know what I mean?
But I did this four years ago. Oh, okay. These are high schools. I would have gotten an Archmanning card when he was seven. No one did.
Just hearing that he was born. No one did. He's like, yeah, but I'm the only guy who did it. That's awesome.
Well, that said, and this is why you're such a good sport, that you're like, you had the foresight. Let's review your work. Uh-oh. I've been told you requested this. Am I wrong?
That's why I came back on the show before.
Well, that sent help us in theaters nationwide next Friday. The timing was immaculate. I only did a movie that came out at this time so I could wrap this back around. You were last on this program in September to talk about Twinless, again, which is available on Hulu in the Disney University. Oh, yeah, okay, it's coming back to me.
So you were here. And here you are. We pick it up mid win-loss game of you choosing. Your win-losses. All right.
Let's see. What is it? Get it. Home for the Falcons. Wait, I'm screwing this up.
It's okay. Good shit. There's no surprise. Beat the Falcons. They did.
Home for the Dolphins. Miami. God, I would love to beat Miami twice. Is it gonna happen? Do it.
I think at this point, Miami's a mess and we win. Seven and six is seven and six. Am I insane? Keep going. Keep going.
You got it. Feel it. This dude looks almost exactly like that. I think I have to give us... Two more out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We beat Jacksonville. Beat New Orleans. That's four wins in a row.
Now you're Old Paul Patriots. Older Patriots. Do it! Head for the Patriots! Do it!
Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it. I took that lost in New England, so let's give us the win at home.
Jack said five wins in a row at the Bills. And you know the Bills arresting people. Do it. We go to Western New York and we take it from the Bills. You got six wins in a row.
And two, three, four, six. 11 and 6 says Dylan O'Brien. Yeah. That's what happens in the win-loss game. You see that freeze frame of this episode?
My cousin memed that himself. Did he really? The day I did this episode, and he would send it to me all season. No way! And.
He'd send it to me. And it's also, by the way, this person that you just showed the clip, it does look like strikingly like me. It's crazy. It's very close. A doppelganger.
Hey, you were right. They beat the Falcons, which, by the way, cost the Falcons a division title and maybe ultimately their coach, their job. Play spoiler, baby. Miami. Miami wasn't, you know, was close to a mess.
Although maybe not when you saw him. No. The New England one, you know, Drake May didn't play in the second half because he had five touchdowns before half. That wasn't great. That one was a little off.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the Bills were resting. They were resting and uh uh uh and and it looked pretty easy for them still. Did I get yeah, so I did get I did get one. It's wild.
Here's how deep the delusion goes. Please. I still think they got a shot like this season. Coming up. Yeah.
No, no, no. The current ones. How does that manifest itself? It doesn't. But I'm just like, they still.
Who's more delusional? Dylan O'Brien here or Dylan O'Brien in his new movie than Helm? Who's more delusional? Yeah, it's wild. You know, listen, you got to own a bad call.
And I've never been one to not own my bad calls. I famously, in my own life as well, do you know the app Uber? Like, have you ever heard of the Uber app? Sure. Yeah, so um yeah, so it's a ride share, yeah, anyway, you get Well so when this first came out back in the day, uh The first my girlfriend at the time, she came out, she was like, Hey, I'm gonna go meet my friends, you know.
And I was like, Oh, how you getting there? You want me driving? And she's like, No, there's a new. Um, app, you know, and it's called Uber. And I'm like, Uber, what the hell is this?
And uh, she was like, Oh, it's like an app and so the guy's coming to, you know, pick me up and And I'm like, in what? What guy? Who is it? What are you talking about? And I was like, so a stranger is coming to pick.
You are. Mm-hmm. in their personal car, and take you to the bar and you're telling me that and I was like yeah This has got no legs. Also, I was like. I was like, Uber?
It's a terrible name. That's never going to catch on. And guess what? I thought the story was going to go where you had an opportunity to invest in it and turned it down. Is that where you thought that was going?
Yeah, that would have been awesome. No, no, but I wouldn't have. I would have bet everything I had against them. And, you know, literally, I got it wrong. I got it wrong.
I mean, it happens to be to admit it.
So you've heard optimism. Your glass half fullness is inspiring. I appreciate that. It's inspiring to me. I appreciate that.
To all Jet fans, it's inspiring. Another quick note. Is it a Jet thing? Because you're like that too. Everything's glass half full, except that 14-year-old who said, I hate this team.
You saw that video, right? The 14-year-old kid. Oh, he's the man. He's the man. I hate this team.
The man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that kid because that is, that's, listen, he's going through the motions. By the way, I guarantee you he doesn't feel that way now. He's excited about the 32027s first rounders.
He's already scheming at who we're going to take to in the first round this year. He's building. He's building on his Madden video game. I know what he's doing. It breeds.
I know what he's doing. It breeds. It breeds. Optimism, it breeds not just relying on winning. You got to find some other resource for happiness.
Again, his new film is fittingly called Send Help. Yeah, really. Story. Send Help. We bring back the jerseys, by the way.
Did we finish the old, you know, the 2000? Oh, like the Klecko. We finished week 18 against the Bills. Remember? Bring them back.
Bring them back. They just, it looks like a... They're running it back. It looks like a Canadian Football League team. It looks like an Arena Football League team.
And maybe we are. No, no, no. I want you to stay positive. Stay positive, please. Stay positive, please.
Send Help is in theaters nationwide next Friday, January 30th. Again, congratulations on a Spirit Award for your work in Twinlists, which is currently available. I appreciate that very much. You bet to stream on Hulu, which is what you should do once this show is over. Great to see you, Dylan O'Brien.
Great to see you always. Anytime this spot is available for you, sir. Appreciate you, man. Thank you. Certainly since when the Jets' next schedule has up.
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So who do the Patriots play in Super Bowl 60, Chris? The Los Angeles Rams. Who makes Super Bowl 60, TJ Jefferson? The Inglewood Rams. The AFC participant?
Oh, uh I only asked him who the Patriots play because I'm assuming he's not taking Denver. You know what, man? Why not? The AFC participant, unfortunately rich, I hate to say it. Is Wh what team do you think would hurt me the most to say?
I don't know. I mean, the Patriots really hurt you? What do they mean? That means he's going to be happy and talking a lot. Nonetheless, but unfortunately, I think the Pats are gone.
Okay.
I'm leaning in that direction too. I'm not happy about it. I'm leaning in that direction as well. Rams, Patriots, or?
Well, I mean, I had the Rams winning it all.
So I. I know that sounds like a cop-out. In something like this, because why wouldn't I now look at the way the Seahawks have been playing? What happened the last time they played?
Well, that in the last two times they played, it could have gone in any direction. It's kind of trending in the opposite directions, really. I mean, the Rams. I'm talking about that. The Rams lost last week.
Oh, I mean, the s the Bears should have lost last week too. I mean, the only team that you look at Give me a division game other than the Seattle game where it's like Wasn't a full-on coin flip about way things could have gone. There wasn't. You know, your team should have lost last week, too. I mean, I don't know if I agree with Orlofsky that name any other quarterback in the league and they would have won that game.
He did walk that back. I know he did, but I think he was just making a point as to how. CJ Stroud underperformed in a game that was winnable.
Well, they had it completely unbucked off. Honestly, you could. Seattle's the only division winner where the answer is. Clear who was the better team that day and deserving of moving on to the championship game. But I will also say, like, none of these four, either matchup, any matchup you come up with, I believe.
Of course. Anyone.
Well, that makes sense in this crazy mixed up. NFL world where It's been anything goes, anything can happen, any coach can get fired out of the blue. One guy goes to the divisional round and gets fired two days later, and the owner says it's not, you know, he's pissed about the way it all ended, but it's not. The reason why that one ended, it's the way everything's ended. And it's tough to square that circle.
And then you get two guys of tenure no longer coming back in a coaching carousel. You got one other guy, Mike McDaniel, who's fired in the middle of an exit interview. That's crazy. On a Thursday.
So why can't anybody win on Super on Championship Sunday and make the Super Bowl 100%? Wide open this year. No doubt. Chris, what was this that? 15 straight seasons, either the Chiefs or the Pats?
Yep.
Well, and if you go back two more seasons, it's either the Patriots, Chiefs and the Jets.
Okay, we're not cutting to that. I'm doing that out of respect to Dylan O'Brien. Enjoy the games. This is coming. Enjoy the games, everybody.
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