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We'll have a conversation. Just had a chat with Vince Gilligan. In our green room. Vince, 11 plus years ago, last month, so 11 years ago, last month. Was the first ever in-studio guest in the history of this show, and in about 18 minutes' time, he will be the latest.
And you referred to him as the nicest guy in Hollywood. Hands down, not just saying that. Just what's more likely in advance of tomorrow's program, even though this is higher register Thursday. We're going to get to our higher registers shortly. And just seeing Vince, he's either A, the same exact guy, or B, everything's gone to his head.
What do you think? Same guy. What do you think? What a sweetheart. My goodness gracious.
Amazing. The best. And so Pluribus. It's just amazing that from such a sweetheart of a guy, the most mind-blowing crazy stuff makes you think about the human race and who we are as people and what our defaults are, if we're nice creatures or not. To come from this man's mind.
You're like, unbelievable. And we will go down a little bit of a breaking bad. Better call Saul. Wormhole with the man who created those shows as well. It's Pluribus right now.
on uh Apple TV every single Friday is a new episode. Episodes one through three are sitting right there for you to take in. And I'll be honest with you, it's wild, man. And we'll talk about it with Vince shortly.
Now then. It's time for RES Consulting to unite.
Well, of the many things that we do.
Okay. Um We come up with nicknames, or at least I like to do that. We like to name things. We like to term things. We like to leave our guests in a better position.
We're wide open, we can help in many different ways. with anybody who comes to RES consulting. Um Because as you know. The best thing about us is that it's about us. The best thing about us though is it's about us.
It is. It's the truth.
So are you ready to unite? Because the thing that we do best, maybe out of everything. Is we Take a look at an injured player returning to practice and say, That guy's going to start. Here we start. Here we go.
And I have been told. Is this moving pictures or just a photograph? Just a photo. Photo. It's got to be a burrow.
It is of Joe Bono. Oh. That's Joe Bonro.
Well, he's there. Number nine. Foot looks good. On the left. It wasn't his foot.
I know. I'm just saying. It was Joe Flacco. No, no, no. You say you're just mistaken.
Jacco is tall. DJ. 64. I call the attention to the number 64 in front of number nine. That's Ted Karras.
You know who he is? He's the starting center of the Cincinnati Bengals. Man, man.
Now, which foot is it? Doesn't matter. It matters, Mike. Of course, it matters. Which foot was it with the toe?
That's what I'm saying. If it's the left foot, maybe he's doing this on purpose to block from the punch. He's trying to trick us. Or is it the right one? It's a right one.
He's good. All I'm saying is, he's standing pretty now. I mean, he's good. He's got the sweats on. Left toe.
Left toe. He's toe. That's KG. He's a veteran. Left toe.
He's hiding it with the pylons blocking it. We need pylon cam right now. All the people to him to be behind. Mm-hmm. The starting one.
You start peeping. I don't like it. I don't like it. You don't like them a bit? I don't like it one bit?
Nope. I got a lot of problems with you people. I was already counting my wins. We are on to Cincinnati. Joe Burrow.
TJ? Boop. I want to I want to poll every member of RES Consulting. Yeah. Is he starting?
Survey says yes. I think so. Hold on. There's a bunch of these photos. Hold on.
I'm looking at some other ones. There are some other ones on your left. Generally, the same viewpoint as we just saw. He's throwing a pass. He's fading back.
I mean, I'd feel better if we had some video to actually. Video. Oh, here's some video of him walking. Can we see the picture one more time, please? And if we get the picture one more time, that would be right there.
You know, if we hear this noise. They're going to pay the landscaper. Yeah. Because it looks like we haven't watered that grass in quite some time. Is that grass?
What is it? Is that clay? They're working out like raffa on the clay. You know, it's almost almost winter in Cincinnati. I get it.
But are those clumps of like green grass shoots? All right, 12 minutes ago. What's going on? What is that out there? Ben Baby covers the Bengals for ESPN.
Joe's been safe, baby. Joe Burrow is taking QB1 reps during individual drills as well. It's over. It's over. He's back.
I don't like it. My eyes see one thing, Ben Baby's eyes see another. I get to say the words Ben Baby on television and radio together, and it's for real. You know, this week you said Janky Rondo, Daddy Yankee, and Ben Baby. Ben Baby.
You're on a roll. Yeah, baby. You know what I mean? Ben Baby. Yes, Elena.
Here we go. The only thing would be better is that if his name was Trevor, we could use that drop. What? Mike Petraglia? Let's see.
No, that's whose photograph we're using. Oh, great. He said, Burrow looking quite agile. Oh, yeah. That's five minutes ago.
We're not down. The sun is up. That's right. The grass is brown. And Joe is back.
What's up, Trevor? Mike Brown's not paying the water of the grass. He's not. What's going on? What are we doing?
What's up, Trevor? Is that the name of the groundskeeper? It's Trevor. Yeah. Trevor, the groundskeeper.
Trevor needs to get some more sod out there. That's a very expensive foot trying to come back with a toe. Here we go. Oh, baby. Christopher Brockman just in time for the Patriots to show up.
But of course, no Jamar Chase. That's a shame. Yeah. Andrei Ishavas, so we got Yoshivas. Yoshivas, weak.
And Higgins. No, it doesn't have the same ring to it.
Sort of like marble and ganache. Yeah. Doesn't have the same ring as Tango and Cash, Marble and Ganache. Doesn't have the same ring. You know what I mean?
That's what it is. That's pretty.
Okay, I'm going to get off that one. Otherwise, it's tough to stop.
Okay, you ready? It's a It's a Thursday. It's our time for our staple. on a Thursday to take a look at the schedule. Come up with a higher register belief to call our shot about what's going to happen in week number 12 of the National Football League.
Here it is. There's a chance the rich Eisen shows but there could be Hire, register, take of the week.
Alright. Christopher. Man, now NFL Live is showing video. We were on it. We were on it when we just had to steal photos at Rich Eisen Consulting.
Joe Burrow doesn't by the way I don't know if this doesn't involve anybody ever Joe Burrow hire register? No.
So I can give you one for free. No.
I would have had I known. Kind of looks like he's playing. Bonus. Kind of looks like Joe Burrow's going to do this, guys. Bonus.
Just the way he's winging around and moving around, really flinging this thing. And I'll just say, I'll just also go higher register as well. Looks like the grass could be replaced there. What? In Cincinnati.
I cut lawns. It looks all right. It just means a little water. What does that mean? What?
I cut lawns. I cut lawns. I was a little kid. Has been claimed. I was a little, yeah, it was a little bit.
Let me ask you a question, and then we'll get to the rest of the high register. I'm sorry. This is great. I shouldn't have changed. Have you cut a lawn in your life?
You want to know something? What? I've never cut a laugh. I literally did mine yesterday. You never know.
I would have thought you'd cut a lawn. You would have thought so, right? I would have thought. Oh, man. When I had a huge yard, it was when I was little, so I was too little to cut the grass.
And then we moved and we had gravel in the back earth, so there was only little spots of grass. I got it. Which didn't really need to be cut. Understood. I did my front yard yesterday.
See, Brock is cut now. I haven't done that. Got an electronic colour. It's great. I mean, so.
At a company. Mike, I cut Lawrence Del Tufo says the practice field on which W dollar repair toe is working out on. I cut Lawrence with my brother. We had a company. We actually did it to get paid.
All right. If you're in the Harrisburg area, my cousin's gosh, he's a landscape. For the love of God, give me your higher register, Chris. For the love of God. These things remain self-evident.
You don't want a piece of Daniel Jones after the bye week. History will show. I don't know. Here's the deal, guys. I'm a little worried about your Super Bowl pick, Rich.
And if the Chiefs lose this week, the graves are four feet and the casket's half-built. You know what I mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? He's saying that they're about to break 10.
Don't go all like folksy on me. Don't go folksy on me. What does that mean? The grave is at four feet deep and the casket's half built. This season's almost over.
Mm. That's what I wanted to hear.
Well, that's what you wanted to hear. I needed the plain English. I didn't need... I didn't need the jabber jaw senator from Louisiana's version of it. I needed to hear you actually say the words.
Say it with your chest.
So you really think that, huh? You know, I think it's looking that way. Kurt said there's not one thing they do well earlier this week. I'm with you.
Okay. Chiefs aggregators, it's fine when Kurt says it, when I said it's the worst thing in the world. One guy's in the Hall of Fame and one in MVP and a Super Bowl. Information could still be the same, Mr. David.
Exactly. A little bit different. Information's the same TOS department. We're just 6'7. 6'7.
6'7, bro. My kids cannot stand when I do that at all. They want to disown me on the spot. 6'7. All right.
Something that should bring everyone together, I think. I kind of like it. I think 6'7 is great. TJ. Hey, listen, man.
There is a huge, maybe the biggest game of the year coming up on Sunday. I know, here's the thing. True division rivals, you know, the Philadelphia Eagles and the Dallas Cowboys. That's great. Varsity's playing.
You know, by the way, Dak Prescott does have a record of 9-5 against the Eagles in his career. I want to point that out. And, you know, the Eagles got a lot of turmoil, Rich. Like, there's a lot of chaos going on. Drama.
Drama. Like, TNT, they love drama. And the Cowboys, you know, we got a pass rusher, we're good.
So I'm thinking, after the Cowboys take down the Iggles. Nice. on Sunday. Right? I think they're definitely making the playoffs.
Yeah. Making the playoffs. Go on the table. Make the playoffs. Walk me through it at 5-5-1.
And then we go to 6-5-1. Against the Kansas City Chiefs on Samski. I'm sure you're right. Then we go 7-5-1. And then that would be against the Detroit Lions a week after.
That's in Detroit. And then we go 8-5-1. Home from Minnesota on a Sunday night. Let's keep going. Then they're going to go.
They'll go 9-5-1. That's the Chargers. Oh, yeah. Come on. The Washington football team and the Little Giants.
Nah, that's 10, 5, and 1. And 11, 5, and 1. And then 11, 5 and 1.
So they don't lose the rest of the year. DJ. Come on. They lose the rest of the year? Yeah.
Somebody said they wanted to take it. Ladies and gentlemen, let's go. Oh, wow. On higher register. Cowboys seven to one to make the playoffs.
The Barry White-sounding TJ Jefferson, who didn't like doing this segment, you have all grown stuff. I'm in, man. TJ, I'm in. I'm with you.
You're grown stuff, and you're grown stuff. Let's do it. There we go. I've read it. Yeah.
All these folks out there. That think J.J. McCarthy is less than. Uh-oh. It upsets me when I see that I.
It upsets me when they. Are you saying that J.J. McCarthy had nothing, Michigan won the national championship in spite of him? He had nothing to do with it, blah, blah, blah. It's a bunch of crap.
And you say that upsets me greatly. I do. It upsets me. It triggers me. I get triggered.
I've seen it. Yeah. You have seen it. I've seen you break it. I don't like it.
It's not true. It's absurd. Just look at the tape. Look at his history.
Now, this year When he has started, If you look at all the quarters that he has played. Um This does look like he he doesn't look like the kid from Michigan. In the aggregate. But there are times when I see it. You do?
I do. I see the throws. And by the way, does he sound like a Harbaugh quarterback? The coached quarterback, when he's talking about, you know, I feel like I'm about to be uncorked, the wine bottle. Like, it sounds like he's talking like Jim, right?
Okay. And the times when he has performed well, Believe it or not. Come on the road in division. And guess where he is this week? On the road?
Green Bay. The road again in division.
So, my high register is, ladies and gentlemen. J.G. McCarthy's going to go three on the road in the division. Yeah, say what you will about him.
Okay. Say what you will, Cement Dryan. You know, they were singing nine to five because they're making fun of him that he's nine, and then he turned into five or whatever that means. I don't know. But listen, listen, if you're going to slag on this kid by slagging on Dolly Parton, you're against America.
That's true. All walks of America. We have no Dolly slander here. J.J. McCarthy is going to go three on road in division.
Do we know? And he can't do any better on the road in division every in a year. You only got three Rode Division games. That's true. But I'm just going to say.
Who's going to do it? That's higher register for week twelve. I'm very excited about that segment, but not as excited about welcoming in our next guest who is our first ever in-studio guest. I will watch anything this man does. And you should as well.
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We just saw a clip from the pilot episode of Pluribus on Apple TV, the creator, the writer, the director. The four-time Emmy Award winner, Vince Gilligan, is back here on the show to talk about it. It is great to see you, Matt. Great seeing you, Rich. It's just 11 years, huh?
Is that how long it's been? It was 11 years ago last month that you left the writer's room of your latest show, Better Call Saul, to join us to talk about how Breaking Bad ended and with a plan for Better Call Saul. And now here we are talking about your latest. in in Pluribus I guess the ultimate first question is like, where the hell did this idea come from? Always the question.
And I never have a great answer. I don't know where the hell these ideas come from, any of them. You just sort of like the way the folks on Pluribus, they receive signals from each other telepathically. You got to be kind of a radio head yourself as a writer. You got to be receptive to ideas, I guess.
And then sometimes I think it's kind of like working a jigsaw puzzle in your mind and you're kind of putting this piece together, that piece together.
Well, this doesn't fit.
Well, that doesn't fit together. And then but if you do it long enough, you know, eventually the ideas start to The image starts to form, and I don't know where the heck it came from.
Well, again, the idea for our radio audience that just returned as well is that there is essentially a code. For an RNA virus, would you say? It's a message from space from 600 light years away from aliens that we know nothing about. We may well never meet. But it is a message in a bottle sent out into the universe to spread.
This happiness, this form of happiness and contentment and satisfaction, and it takes hold in the world, and suddenly everybody is very chill. Except for 11 people, including the protagonist, who is a miserable person, right? Or at least miserable in terms of disposition, would you say, remember? She's unhappy. Yeah, she is the wonderful Ray Seahorn.
She plays a character named Carol Sterka. And Carol is a romantic-y author. She is pretty successful. Yes. But she's always, she's like a glass half-empty type person.
She's always looking for reasons to explain her misery or her just general unhappiness. And she's very sarcastic. I kind of root for her. I have heard a lot doing interviews and whatnot. Why is she so unhappy?
And like, well, why is anybody unhappy? Versus, why is anybody happy?
Sometimes I just think maybe it's just. Chemicals in our brains, and then we look for reasons to explain it.
Well, again, you know, just to continue this conversation about characters and character development and just the general gist of a lot of the shows that you've put together, Vince. Um is it it is about how do people react? To life-altering events, whether it's cancer for Walter White, or obviously Saul Goodman and what happened in the backstory that you tell about Better Call Saul, about his childhood, about his relationship with his brother, about what happens if you are somebody on the planet who is a glass half-empty person, and then an event occurs where your wife. is dead because she's one of the humans that cannot receive uh biologically well this new way of Living is a hive. And then the idea that, yes, the people who are.
Would you say afflicted by what comes in or affected by affected? Afflicted? I think they both work. You know what I really kind of hope for with this show is that people tell me. Whether this is a good thing or not.
I always say when you watch The Walking Dead or The Last of Us, two really good shows, you watch those shows and you know you don't want to be a zombie. You know you don't want to be affected with this mushroom. Infection on The Last of Us. But on this show, I'd love for people to think. I'd love for people to argue, the fans to argue.
You know, she's fighting something she shouldn't fight on one side or other people saying, no, are you crazy? She's 100% right. The individuality, human individuality is at stake. I'm on that side for the first three episodes where she is fighting for free will. Yeah.
Yes, absolutely. She's fighting for like, would we like to have a planet where there's no crime? Where they're in episode three turning off lights because they don't. Have to worry about crime after dark, or people aren't living where they were living because they're now, I guess we're going to see over the next few weeks, how do people live collectively in this hive? How do they come out of nowhere to reconstitute an entire supermarket that's been stripped bare of all items, but they put it back in because Ray's character asks for it, and then she begins to realize the power that she does as an individual have against the collective because she can now ask of them what she wants, even if it is dangerous.
Like, that's where we're at right now. I am curious to see where this all goes. I'm so glad, man.
Well, you've watched this thing closely. God bless you. I watch everything you do, Velvet. And I appreciate it, man. Thank you.
Yeah. I have my own free will. I can watch whatever I want. That's true. You do.
But it is part and parcel, again, of what you do. Like, you're putting people in situations. How will you react? How will you react if you're Walter White and you're given a terminal? You know, diagnosis.
But do you start making blue mouth or you don't? You know what I mean? Like with that opportunity. If you're Saul Goodman, do you start doing what you did or do you not? And I think we're seeing what her character is going to be going through right now here as well.
That's true. And I got to tell you, working with Ray is such a dream. I wrote this part. I don't know where the heck the idea came from, but I know when I started. cooking it up, I thought.
By the way, great phrase. Good cookie. No pun intended. Got it. I caught it.
I thought, man, I got to create something. Ray Seahorn was on our last show, Better Call Saul. Yes, sir. She was fantastic in it. It started off, it was a character.
We didn't know Peter Gould and I, Peter co-created the show, and we didn't know if her character was going to amount to anything. And then we wind up loving the actor so much, Ray, who plays the character, that she becomes, the show kind of becomes a two-hander. That was never the intention from day one. She made herself indispensable. And I said to myself, I got to put Rey in, I got to create something for her because I don't want her disappearing on me.
Because smart people are going to snap her up, put her in something else.
So you did create this character with her in mind when you're writing Pluribus. When I started noodling on this thing, it was a male protagonist because I'm a guy. That's usually the way I think, male protagonist. And then I thought, why does it have to be a guy? Why can't it be a woman?
Why can't it be Ray?
So that's kind of how that came to go. All right. And a few other questions on this one as well is, do you know, again, it's been picked up for season two. Yeah. Do you know how this ends already?
No, you know where this goes, how it goes. You know, we have, my writers and I, we have some ideas about where it might go. And probably at this point, we have more ideas than we did for Breaking Bad or for Better Call Saul. No kidding. Yeah, we do.
But. Uh the caveat is always you got to be ready to discard a perfectly good idea for a better idea.
So if something better comes along, we'll we'll go a different way. But we we've got some ideas of where we think we want to go with it. I mean, it's set in Albuquerque, which is where obviously better call saw and when when and and breaking bad we're Is there any possibility that we run into any survivors of those shows in Pluribus? With their part of the hive, that you just was a little winking and not? That's a good question.
We might have some. We might have some cameos. I don't know if it's a little. We might have a few Easter eggs to throw your way. But it.
I actually was resistant about shooting about setting it in Albuquerque. I was not at all resistant about shooting in Albuquerque. The reason we're shooting there on this show is I love my crew so much. I've been working with some of these folks for 20 years. And At the end of the day, I thought, I gotta, you know, these people like family.
I love them. They crawl over broken glass for Ray. Everybody on a crew loves her.
So let's shoot it in Albuquerque. But I kind of resisted because I thought it would confuse people. No doubt. You want it to be known as, hey, this is something completely different. It's something separate.
But that said, I mean, you do have a fan base that is used to Easter eggs, that is used to what you're doing. And so when I heard it was set in Albuquerque, I'm like, Okay. But then when I heard it was about, I'm like, well, that's definitely not anything like this. And it's interesting that you would say that you have more ideas for this now, Ben Skilligan here on The Rich Island Show, for this Pluribus show than you did at this point for Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, because those shows had vast numbers of characters who you would follow their pursuits and their storylines and how they would intertwine and how that would blow the minds of some of our. Of our list, of your viewers, you know, this is just such a monolithic single character.
That I would think you'd be more boxed in as a creator. You know, something's always boxing you in. When Peter and I were doing Better Call Saul, we thought, oh, this is going to be the easiest thing we've ever done because we know where he winds up. And then we got into it. Ignorance was bliss because then we got into it and we said, Oh my God, how do we get him from where he is now to where he ends up?
And also the audience knows he can't die during the show because they know he has to survive to breaking bad. You know, because because Metacul Sol is a a pre uh a prelude a prelude to uh to Breaking Bed. There's always some reason that makes it hard. It's never easy. Right.
But you have essentially mapped out. Just enough into season two where you think this can go. And obviously, as creators, you can go in any other direction in which you wish. Yeah, yeah. Where at some point she will either be part of the hive or she will begin to battle back and win the battle, or the battle will occur, and that's enough of a am I going through the beats here?
Yeah, we should get you in the writer's room. You got this, I figured out. Yeah. No, I'm happy with the remote. I'm sitting on my couch and seeing what you're cooking up, to use that phrase.
I have Vince Gilligan here on the Rich Island show Pluribus. Again, it's Fridays. Every new episode on Apple TV. Episodes one through three are available right now. I have a list of characters from your previous universe, sir, that I want to have some fun with right now.
Because you're always up for having fun and you know what a. How we fan we fanboy out on you here about Breaking Bad from the universe, where they are today, you think. All right, okay, just to say, for instance, we had John Hamm here. I asked him where Don Draper is today, and he said three words: six feet under. He goes, There's no way that guy at age 80 was getting anywhere near to age 80 the way that he lived when he was sitting here.
He had a good time getting there, though. He certainly did. All right, so I've got six characters for you. You tell me where you think they are right now, even though we've seen them already have some of their characters up the storylines already tied up neatly by you and previous. Kim Wexler, let's start obviously with Kim, played by Ray Seahorn in Better Call Saul.
Last we saw her, she visited Jimmy McGill, better, you know, Saul Goodman in prison, and she was living in Florida working at a sprinkler company. Is that where she still is right now? Exactly right. Has that changed at all? I would like to believe, okay, if I could choose whatever I want for her, I think after she reunited with Jimmy.
Such as she did at the end of the show. In my mind's eye, she got back into. She got into public defending down in Florida. And she probably doesn't make a lot of money. She probably left the sprinkler factory.
She probably doesn't make a lot of money. She probably dumped the good-natured doofus that we see her dating. Yes. And, you know, so she's not going to Outback Steakhouse quite as often. But she's probably doing a lot of public defender work.
So she's doing advocacy. Good work, is she? I think so. But at the same time, she's got to miss the action, though, right? No?
You know what? I'm hoping she had enough action and she, you know, and doing good is more appealing to her now. That's my take on it. That's a nice ending.
Okay. We appreciate that. All right. Next up, Huell Babineau. Hule Bamano is still sitting on the couch waiting for someone to come.
Occasionally, you know, Grubhub or Uber Eats comes by and says, I'm pretty sure the DEA. But yeah, I think he's still kind of, you know, looking at his watch. No, I hope Huell finally looked outside and realized nobody was guarding him anymore. And then he just went on with his life. Because again, Hank and Gomez said, wait here.
Then they went out into the desert. Spoiler alert, never returned. And then we all wondered what happens to Huell. We asked you this question on our podcast version of this show that predates the 11 years that we've been hanging out on this set together as you being the guest. You said Huell's a state of mind is what you told us on that podcast.
But did you not, did you drop a line in Better Call Saul? To say that he went back to New Orleans, that the DEA let him walk, or that's just all AI Google nonsense. Did you drop a line? This is embarrassing. I'm not sure.
Don't be embarrassed. You're already moved on to the next thing.
So you think he's. To me, I think he's out of living his life. I think Huel, you know, he was a bit of a rogue, a bit of a criminal. He was a really good pickpocket, but I think he's. Yeah, hopefully he's uh Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know what he's doing now.
Okay. Yeah. Next one, Jimmy McGill. He took 86 years instead of the smaller sentence, obviously. Yeah.
He in prison. But. What do you think? That's what I think. I think he's out.
That's what I think. Trump pardoned Saul Goodman. Yes. Outstanding. Pad of tracks, Doug.
Yeah. So he's out.
So he's out.
I think he's running. I think he's a free man. I think he's doing infomercials. I think is what he's doing. Yeah.
Yeah. He's selling stuff on lately TV.
Okay. Oh, my God. Love it. Great answer. I got a few more for you here, Vince Gilligan.
Where is Schuyler and Walt Jr. right now? Where are the whites right now? I hope they're not where we last saw them. They were living in a pretty.
Kind of sad-looking diagrams. Trying to untangle Walt's mess, right? Yeah. And I think, well, Walt at this, Walt Jr. at this point would be, well, I know the wonderful actor R.J.
Mitty is in his 30s now. I can't even believe that. When I met him, I think he was 14. Maybe he was 13. I can't even believe that.
But. I think they got their life back together. Hopefully, Skylar, you know, She was very independent and a self-starter, but hopefully also she found somebody, found a good guy, found someone else as a life partner, somebody healthier, better for her than emotionally healthy for her than Walt was. And Walt Jr. is probably writing a book.
About his infamous dad, I would, you know, or maybe as a podcast.
Okay, I like it.
Okay, I like it.
I like it. And again, you know, your shows are about what would you do if you were in this position. And Skylar White's character, where she. To use the phrase from Goodfellas, you know, you weren't just a, you know, babe, cut the babe in the woods routine. You know what I mean?
When they, when they got, you know, Henry Hill's wife, right, you know, on the hook, you know, when the, when the authorities are talking to her, she wasn't completely innocent. But her her her Her soul was. I kind of felt that I think Skylar gets a bad rap from, you know, listen, thanks to the fans. That's why I'm here with you today. God bless you.
But a lot of fans were kind of down on Skylar, and I never quite understood it because she was, as she says in one episode, my job is to protect this family from the man who protects this family. And she was in this terrible... Boxed into this intractable. Situation, and she finally did roll kind of roll over and become a bit of a partner in crime to Walt. But I don't think she did that out of any kind of greed or desire for money.
She's just trying to keep the family intact. And she was scared of what would happen if suddenly the public, if the law enforcement knew what her husband was up to. I feel like she got a raw deal. I feel like what she was doing is kind of the phrase you hear during March Madness college basketball tournament time. She was trying to survive in advance.
Every day, you know what I mean? She was just trying to get to the next day, not knowing what the hell her husband was up to or doing, suspecting it, but never got a straight answer.
Okay, and then the two main protagonists here: Jesse Pinkman. We last saw him driving off into the Alaskan wilderness in El Camino. What's he doing in the Alaskan wilderness? I hope he's happy. I hope he's living in Alaska.
I wonder what he'd be doing. I think he's got some money. I'd like to think he had a little bit of money squirreled away, so he doesn't have to, you know, take whatever, you know. you know, any job that he could get. Hopefully he's met somebody good.
He's trying to put it behind him. Yeah, what would you do up in Alaska? He talked about being a bush pilot at some point in early breaking bed.
Okay. So maybe he got his pilot's license. Maybe he's flying a de Havilland Beaver around, taking rich guys up to like hunting camps or something. They hop on his plane and he makes vacations happier. Is what you're saying.
You're just hoping. I hope wherever he is, he's happy because he's talking about a guy who, I mean, he was a criminal when we met him, but he had a good heart. I think he always did. And he. Boy, Walt took him for a ride.
He sure did. And then the last one for you, Walter White, we know he's six feet under. Right? Right. Okay, okay.
But there was a rumor, a large rumor, I'm sure you've heard it before, and I've not asked you about it, is that in the final episode, he's in the car in New Hampshire. And it's and it looks like he's stuck in it. And there are some people who think he died in that car, and the rest of the episode is a dream sequence. The rest of it was like occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, the rest of it, like the whole thing was, yeah, all of it. That'd be kind of a bummer, wouldn't it?
That only worked once, by the way. When Ambrose Bierce wrote Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, you get away with that once. Every time it's been done since, the audience at the end feels like they got ripped off. Like, what? It was all a dream?
It's like, you know.
So that would be a bummer, I think, if that were the case. But that was not the way in which you wrote it and intended it and put it out there for everyone to see. No, no, I think he he died on the floor of that. Of that Nazi super lab having had a bloody handprint on the on the cook tank. Yeah, I think what you saw is what you got.
But you know what? Again, audience, you make him to the world and you hope that people like him. And once they're out in the world, it belongs to the world. It doesn't belong to me anymore. And then, in that respect, just to come full circle, you're.
York. which, if you will, side that viewers have Pluribus land on. The free will, understand that the way we were born and the way we currently live on planet Earth is not. Perfect, but at least it's ours to choose. And then there's another way of doing it, which is we're all connected as one.
There is no crime. We're all mostly happy as our Default, and that's the better way to live. Is that the way that's somewhere in the middle? Again, I want the audience to decide for themselves, but I like the idea of presenting. Uh A possibility of a happier world.
I mean, we live in a pretty messed up world right now, and it's just people just at each other's throats all the time. And the weird thing is, everybody's at each other's throats virtually with these, you know, with these social media and people screaming at each other in a way that they would not do face-to-face because they'd worry about getting smacked. And I just, if people could get face-to-face more, I think there'd be less anger. And one just point-blank question for you about your intentions and what you're creating in this world. There are some people who think that this is an allegory the way that this is one hive mentality, that things aren't really real, but it's all too real in the way that it's affecting the human race, that this is an allegory for artificial intelligence.
A lot of people have asked me that, and I. I like that interpretation of it. It's strictly speaking, I came up with this idea. Uh, about almost 10 years ago, and this was prior to the advent of Chat GPT.
Okay, uh, so. I just have to put that out there. I hate AI. I hate what's called AI because there's no intelligence to it. It's just a really clever algorithm.
that finishes sentences. for us in a way that that makes us realize, if you really think about it, we're pretty predictable. You know, our our our our language is pretty predictable, you know, and all that kind of stuff. This is this is a better mousetrap in terms of predictive Technology, but it is, you know, if it winds up getting truly smart, it certainly will change the world. And in the meantime, Yeah, it seems like it's putting people a lot of jobs and it's You know, potential has the potential to make kids knuckleheads, you know, because they let this thing do their homework for them instead of doing it themselves.
And Yeah, I'm not big on AI, but to be strictly accurate about it, I wasn't. I didn't have that axe to grind. If I had come up with this thing a couple of years later, yeah, I might have said, oh, yeah, this is an allegory about AI.
Well, that's what I love about you, man. What you create is so deep, people can read into it what they will and ascribe it to you. And you have a humility about you where you're not like, oh, absolutely, I thought of that. Where you're able to sit back and go, you know what? That's pretty cool.
That's pretty cool that you think that about what I do. And I love you, man. Thanks for coming. Vince Gilligan here on The Rich Eisen Show. Come back anytime.
Obviously, as this series matriculates, I'll have more questions. I'm looking forward to our 20th anniversary. I want to come back on the day. On the day, nine years from now. We've got to figure that out.
That's right. Fantastic. Everybody, check out Pluribus on Apple TV. The fourth episode hits Friday. Holiday PSA from DSW.
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Ladies and gentlemen, look at Susie's hand with her. What must it be like to have an imagination? I like that, right? No.
Can you real quick? That is Professor Schuster. That's right, that's right. Thank you. Thank you very much.
I am indeed. Fester, please refer to me as such a faster. No, but you're right. You and I, when we watch movies, TV shows like that, we're like, how do they think of this? You know what I mean?
Like, how does he just sit there 10 years ago? You know what? I got an idea for a show. It's going to be something from outer space that puts an RNA code in. Pro this was if he's did this 10 years ago, it was pre-COVID.
Oh yeah. Right? And pre obviously AI. I'm illegal. Unreal.
I'm going to think about this. Science teacher, and he's kind of angry. That's right. And then he's going to run into some junkie in a bus in the desert. How do you think of these things while he's wearing his underwear?
Where he's wearing his underwear. I mean, like, right. I'm still concerned about Ramondre, so I'm just like listening to your conversation from Arrow One. Like, that's what I think about. Like, fumble.
Is he back this week, though? Is he going to come back this week? Seems like it's trending in that direction. Him and Joe Burrow, which is great. Oh, yeah.
Bengals' terrible run defense. Oh, that guy. Let's go. By the way, when Burrow went down in week three, right? No, week two.
Week two. Burrow goes down week two. He hasn't played since September. And I say, I would tell you, he's not only going to come back, he's going to come back in week 12. And it's going to be against a 9-2 Patriots, dude.
You would have said what? What? Is he going now? Like, is there a code from out of split? You know what I mean?
Bunky Irving has been practicing for like a month and still not playing.
So, like, we need to all come out. Maybe he's from the pleuribus world, but there's some kind of weird DNA strain that Joe Burrow has been doing. He's letting his hair grow, too. By the way, that's one thing I should have asked him. I was like, why do they call it pleuribus?
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Hope isn't optional. It comes standard. I also just got an email from our friends at St. Jude, Suze. What did they say?
They received, I got a shot of a screen grab. I screen grab a screen. screen. Uh, they received their check from celebrity Wheel of Fortune of $88,000 in change. Whoa, that's a lot of money.
Yeah. That's our second-place finish. Excuse me. You haven't watched it back on Hulu yet. We haven't watched it at all.
I haven't watched it either. I haven't. I saw it. See, I'm the only one that cares right now. You know, I want to thank my friends Ryan and Vanna.
Oh, I was thinking Family Feud. No, you're going to be second place. I'm always going dark. You put all the damn shots around here. All right, that wraps it up for this show.
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