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It is Tuesday, the 24th. Of February. It's our edition. And I'm so happy to be talking to these guys today: Grant Bills and Paul Emmett, because I am in a bad mood. About Well, everything.
Social media was grinding me. Then the Olympics. The Olympics. I'm mad about the Olympics. Everyone's mad about the Olympics.
And the hockey team. What are you even mad about? No one even knows. All you people want to do is take something good and then get mad about it. That's all you want to do.
You wake up wanting to be mad. We need to find joys in this world. We need to find joys, and that's why I present to you. And I don't know that everyone knows about this yet, but please. There is a place you can find joy, and that's the Grant Bills Interchange.
Grand Pills. Paul Imig. Both joining us today. Hello. Gentlemen, the Grant Bills interchange, the official name.
Of the split. In Toma. Where 94 and 90 decide I'll catch up with you later. And then, you know, they do a couple of hundred miles down the road. But there are, I believe, on Google right now, and I implore you.
So go leave a review. It's the Grant Bills interchange. There's 51 reviews. I wanted to read this one from Riley. I found it very.
Um I found it to be good.
So Riley's comments read as follows. I drove through this location for the first time this February. The Grand Bills interchange. change something within me. I used to be a destination chudsil who was only concerned with where I was going.
But the first time I drove towards this location, something clicked. It was as if I suffered a massive cortisol drop just by proximity. to the GBI. I am now a different man. I'm a Chad Journey Maxer who appreciates 94 for what it is.
A story written in asphalt. Wow. The GBI can do things for you. Nothing else can. It mogs all other Wisconsin interchanges.
Thank you, Grantville's interchange. And with that. We bring in the namesake who is at the combine in Indy. Grant Bills and Pauling Immig, of course. Wow.
Grant, your thoughts, the GBI, not only is it. I think earlier this week it was like a, ha. And now it's like a... Ah, it's a real thing. This is a real thing that.
Has a location. I think they're putting up a sign. A lot of the, a lot of the, because this, because Evers is not running for governor.
So there's a lot of people on the Democratic side, and it looks like we've got somebody. On the Republican side, the top issue for Wisconsin vote goers in 2026 is. What will you do? With the GBI. Access for all.
To the GBI.
So that is how I'll be voting. In November. One is she's a single-issue voter. You're a single-issue voter?
Well, I wasn't until the GBI came along. I didn't even see this until like days after.
Some follower who's not a caller, somebody that I follow back. Uh just submit it. I guess you can just submit things to Google. And they accept him, I guess.
So we are review maxing. Everyone go leave a five-star review. And right away, my favorite review might have been the one that said: when I'm trying to decide if I want to go to La Crosse or Eau Claire, this is one of my go-to spots. We got some heavy hitters on here. I saw Adam Roberts commented.
Yeah. Frank Madden. Uh commented.
So please. Check it out. The Grand Bills interchange. Uh on Google. No, although I've checked and will continue to.
I don't know who I can speak with about getting it on Apple Maps, because most people use that. My dream is that when people are using. Their map application on their car when they drive by it, it is in their face. I really want that to happen.
So I don't know how we do that. Maybe on Google 10 miles until the grant bills interchange. It's handicap accessible. I love how people make note of that in some of their reviews. They check that box.
And it's low cost, it said too. It said low cost.
So that's always open on weekends. You don't need a reservation. Yeah. Paul, how are you? No interchanges.
Named after me, so I'm I am not well. What would you want named after you, Paul? You don't even want your name on this podcast. You're the one who doesn't put your name in his own little box. Probably like a baseball nerd stat.
If you call like the PMI, that'd be my initials.
Okay. Yeah, something like that. That'd be great. But it would have to it would have to be under anonymous. Ah.
You can't make IMIG stand for something stupid. Probably could, actually. It's not that. I'll think about that. I like that we're exploring that.
Internal measurements. Good start. Whatever. Last week we came up with VCR, and we had a moment with that.
Someone in the comments last week reminded me what movie it was from. And the answer, when I randomly retorted, what the V might stand for in VCR. It was basketball, one of my all-time favorite movies. I just dropped the ball in the moment. I'll have to watch that again.
The first time I saw it, I didn't like it. I mean, it was a it it all time one of my favorite movies as a Yeah, I have to watch it again because I love those guys. I do not like Al Michaels. That might ruin it for me. But he also did not like being in the movie.
Have I told you my Bob Costas story? I think you're about to. I didn't know if I've done this before, but. I was in the brewer's press box. 18 years ago as a youngin.
And Bob Costas was in there visiting with. with our guy with Euchre. Did you get pink? What's that? Yeah.
He's like the one guy that's ever had pink eye that won't live down pink eye. Oh, I do at the Olympics, right? Specifically, ironically. But anyway, I just went up to him and, you know, just a dumb young kid. And he's probably expecting I'm going to ask him for like career advice or something.
And I'm like, Bob, you were. How do you get out of this business? How do you break through? Bob, you were so good in basketball. I randomly said to him.
And he goes. Let me tell you about some stories from basketball. I was like. Let's do this. And he did for you, like, sneak your recorder on in your pocket.
I should have. I should have. And then have you ever seen Pooty Tang? Yeah. No, but I've heard of it.
He also then is like, let me also tell you some stuff about Poody tang. I like This is a childhood dream come true by. How long did you speak to him? Fifteen minutes and fourteen and a half was him telling me stories. And you like having to.
break away from like okay bob all right bob I don't I don't remember. But It was really cool. I just think he had never had someone. Do that. And that's what I actually genuinely cared about.
I wasn't like playing a gimmick. Of, like, oh, I bet this will throw him off. Like, I'm just like, hey, let's talk basketball.
Well, that's good. I wonder if he remembers that. Like, I was at this game, but this kid fucking punk rock kid asked me if I liked if I remember the movie I was at. Yeah. Probably better than what Al Michael's comments would have been about it.
Who, yes, did not like it. You think you're excited. Yeah. You don't know the signs? I again, I just haven't seen the movie in 30 years.
It's so good. I don't watch movies and retain the... Dialogue like everyone else seems to. Depends if you've seen it one, two times. I need to watch a movie 50 times before I can be like, oh, I'm inside your San Diego vagina or whatever the fuck that quote is.
I have seen basketball fifty times though, so that I guess I qualify. Oh, did you know the Winklers are going to San Diego? San Diago to prove your point. Why? I don't know.
Trip. Taking a trip. Light. Wife and kid, yeah, wife and kid. Is it work for her, or is this just a pleasure trip?
Spring break. Pinchaballa game. Go to Legoland. I was told you got to do Legoland on the last day you're there, otherwise. Your kid doesn't want to do anything else the rest of the trip.
Mm-hmm. I've got all these free coupons over the last five years to Legoland. That I get in like those value pack flyers. And now when I need one. Right.
Grant's at the Combine, is anybody Famous going to walk by you? I see a lot of what you would expect people to be at the combine look like walking by you. A lot of nerds, a lot of people charting their image stats today. Let me do a glance around. I will try to tell you.
Well, Dave Canalis is like. Eight or nine feet, six or seven feet that way. Show me.
Okay, What? Do I have by the way? There's someone peeking over your shoulder, just on your right shoulder.
Well, Nagler, your boy Nagler, Matt Collars, right there as well. Get him on. Yeah. Yeah. I've already asked everyone in this building to do Bill's show at least once.
Now, hey, can you do a cameo appearance on another show? Not mine. I'll also ask you to do that later. They've both been into the Winklerverse. Who's this guy?
Should we have a Yeah. Paul, should we get down with the chlorophyll? Yeah. There's no one really that famous that I can see. This guy's walked by you seven times.
This guy behind you wants to be on. Yeah. He's way better maxing. Yeah, you hear us talking about the GBI, and he's like, I fucking drove on there last week. You're that grant bills?
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You have not, I don't think. Did you bring this up with Carlos Bart? Hopefully, you have not. And tell me if you have. Uh have you did you talk about Packers season tickets?
No, I've been tweeting about that.
Okay, good. Let's go. Ready? All right.
So, here, Grant, you may not. Hopefully, you've been busy enough to not have to see. Barts, Packer Season Ticket Rands, but I'll I'll read one to you. Yeah. Age limit next, please, or at least a section for people who have had these tickets for 60 years, don't want to be there, go because they feel burdened to keep the tickets, and then leave to watch the fourth quarter at home.
Thank you. Tweets, Bart Winkler. I do want to assess what the right thing is, because if you If you just sell all your games. You know what was the point. But also, the people who are buying the scalp tickets want to.
be there. The the right Yeah. I wish I had a suggestion because I want to mm-hmm. The right thing to do. To try to get the best fans at the games.
Is to do what the Packers are now doing, which is to crack down. On Those who sell all the games. This is a step in the right direction. Mm-hmm or mm-mm. Barton Grant.
So, mm-hmm. The Packers recently have.
Well, they did it before, and they're doing it again. Basically, If you're selling your tickets on the secondary market, They know about it. And they will take your tickets away. Um But I think that you might, and you don't say this, but I think why I like this topic so much is because it's then. It is, though, reinforcing the idea that, oh, I should, I guess I better go, even though I don't want to.
Because I don't want to lose my season tickets.
So now you have the situations where it's a quieter home crowd. Bart, you were tweeting about how go to literally any other stadium and you'll quickly realize how shitty the atmosphere is. The Packers should actually encourage season ticket holders to use the secondary market and not prohibit them. I just, I think this is a fascinating thought experiment that I'm sure the Packers' front office, you know, not the football decision makers, but the business decision makers have spent time with. And I don't think I know what the right answer is.
Okay, if I start opening my mouth and talk about this. I might go for a while. I don't know. I got a lot on it. Is that fair?
Right, so here we go. Every time I talk about when I've been to other stadiums. I inherently feel like a loser. Mike Like, oh, you're so special. Like, who, you know, I get that.
I get that. What people don't know about me is I test my. Thoughts and takes on myself. When I'm being A douche. Or Unhinged.
or spiraling out of control. I understand, okay? I understand.
However. I would classify myself As expert level. when it comes to how other fan bases act. at their games. Because In the amount of people having this discussion, Packer fans that have been to Lambo.
How many of them have been to one other stadium for a game? Handful? How many two? How many 15? Small percentage.
This is a tank I am qualified in. I have been to these other stadiums. For Average games, but against the Packers.
So I know the type of Packer fan that goes to a road game. And I wish those people would go to home games, but we can't. Because we're blocked. By season ticket holders.
So a lot of times I will jump to The extreme of all extremes. Which is My age limit suggestion. Yeah. And then of course. For those of you that know anything about The art of the deal is you say something so, so, so far.
to get them back. I know you're not going to have an age limit. I don't want to have an age limit. An age limit is ageism, and I would never do that. The Packers would.
They kicked Mark Murphy out of being the team president. I would never do that. I understand you can be a 79-year-old Packer fan and be as animated and faithful to your team as this 41-year-old Packers. um fat fuck okay so I get it I get it. But I throw it out there.
Um, to have the dialogue because I have seen with my own eyes many times. The difference the difference between What I see On the road, on the road, I see obnoxious people. That should not have Any sort of say in how society works. But they're passionate about their team. And they're supporting their team.
In Green Bay, I have seen people that carry... These fucking kind of things. Yeah. With the back, hunched over. It takes them forever to get to their seat.
And then they leave in the third quarter. Yeah. I see they do that because they have season tickets. They've had them forever. They don't want to lose them.
They go there as an obligation.
Now, this is anecdotal. There's no numbers on this. You can say, oh, I've gone to Lambo and I've never seen that. Good for you. You found the fucking great section then.
The one that exists. These people Exist and they leave, and then they watch the fourth quarter at home. They don't want to be there. Just fucking ask them. They will tell you.
I didn't want to go to this one, but we have tickets for a Packer game. We're doing this. It's bullshit. You know what else I don't see? You know what else I don't see at road games?
I don't see people over the age of 70. I don't. I do not see them. I don't see them. They don't come.
And if they do come, they're there to watch the game in the game environment. People that are trying to tell me, if you want to watch the game, watch it on your TV. No, you want to go to the game because you want the experience. Bucks tickets are so cheap. I'm kicking around going tonight.
I probably won't, but I could watch the game with my kid on TV, or we could be there immersed in it. I wanted to go to these Brewer playoff games, not to see the result, but to be immersed in the playoff atmosphere.
So why would you go if you don't Want that. And if you do want a more subdued experience, then we need the teams to step in and say, If you want to stand and be rowdy, go. And it's not an issue of drinking. A lot of people point to, well, it's not an issue of that. I want to stand up when the situation calls for it.
So I've been to these games and then I go to Lambo and it's like it fucking sucks. And then I go to these brewer games and I don't understand for the life of me how people can't. Cross that bridge. Like, they'll be like. Oh, that Brewers game against the Cubs, man.
Oh, geez. But then when they went into Wrigley, oh, they were chanting Freddy. That crowd was crazy. Why can't we have that here? And then the Brewers of game five, and someone stands up, and you go, could you sit down, please?
So we can't connect that, like, we could do that. We just don't want to. It is an issue that probably bothers as far as sports go in our state. It is my number one issue. Also It's the issue that people like, I have to quit it because people are not interested in it.
And they will always, like, we will have anecdotal wars. I'm so fucking tired of this. I can say something that I've seen.
Well, I haven't seen it.
Well fine, then I'm making it the fuck up. I mean, what the hell?
So Back to what the Packers should do. This season ticket thing? Needs to go away. I know it's cute. I know it's fun to get on the list.
I got on the list when I was 15. I'm still on the list. I'm like 39,000. And when am I going to get those tickets? When I'm 68 years old, when I don't want to go, when it is a burden for me to travel, but I've waited half a century for them.
So I'm going to fucking go. For as much time as I can before I think, all right, I'm going to leave now. And If I've waited. 50 years for these tickets. Should I not?
Be able to do what I want with them? Should I not be able to sell them? And by the way, how come every time you think that they're going to be sold, it's just like, Oh, are the opposing fans gonna come? Maybe not. Maybe it's somebody that wants to go cheer on their team.
What do you think?
Someone's going to check StubHub the morning of the game from Tennessee and be like, oh, fuck, I got to get to this Titans game at Lambo. It's going to be people that want to go that are not on the season ticket list.
So stupid fucking thought there. I'm in a bad mood. I'm in a bad mood. I'm in a bad mood because I'm just, I am, I am so fucking tired. Of how stupid people are.
I'm tired of how badly people want to fight about nothing. Fight with you have passion. Fight about real issues like me and this.
So the Packers, what should they do? They should scrap it entirely, do a new lottery system every year. New lottery. And The Packers should use. Data.
to scour your social media. to scour your phone records. To see which of these people actually want to be here.
So, yes, I welcome the AI and data overlords. When it comes to making sure that I can go to a pack, I'm not asking to stand. For four quarters. I'm asking, like, if it's a reasonable situation, the third quarter on a fourth and one. I'd like to stand.
I'd like to stand. But way too many people won't.
So scrap it all, blow the whole thing up. And if you disagree with me. You're just not right yet. Grant. Grant.
You're terrible at picking your battles. Before I give my response, which will not be nearly as long or interesting, you just need to get better at picking your battles. Like, do you look at a topic or an issue and be like, People are going to love this.
So, Grant, I want to be with you. on this. But I think this is a battle worth fighting. Yeah, because you get to sit in the shadows and watch him fight it. Of course it's worth fighting.
To be clear, to be clear, there's almost no battle. Worth me fighting. That's not how. But I'm saying if there were a series of sports takes that are worth. spending a seven minute rantabout.
This would definitely be among them, a top near the top of the list. I think this is Grant. Is the Packers have a good? Crowd-based home field advantage. Forget the cold, forget the whatever else.
But I'm thinking, the pack, let me ask you this, Grant. From your perspective, from what you've seen, the Lambeau Field crowd. Is it Bottom half of the league crowd. Or bottom five. Five, just hold on.
We're going to work our way there, Bart. Hold on. Grant, the Lambeau Field crowd is the bottom half of the league crowd. I know you haven't done a deep analysis and whatever else, but like, what's your gut tell you? I'll pull the Rasila.
Well, you didn't tell me we were going to talk about this today. I have never been to another stadium. And I've been to a Packer game since 2018. I went to one in 2018. I went to one in 2016.
I went to one or two growing up. I. In all my experiences at Lamb, I just thought it was fine. Like, I thought we got louder. We got loud on third down.
People weren't doing backflips. People weren't scream, but like it was mostly fine.
Now, Bart, who's been to a lot of other games. Tells us that The Packers, not enough energy. We're not on par with these other states. We'll find that. I'll believe him.
I will defer to him. I've not been to enough of these things. I think Wisconsin sports fans as a whole are just a little bit more subdued. I agree with that team. They're not until they get into these stadiums.
I think there's a big difference between being loud, being proud, and whining on a live stream of a sports talk radio show. When people say, Well, Packers fans, they're so passionate. Yeah, it takes a lot of passion to pull up YouTube and scream about how Matt LaFleur's a pussy in the Bill Michaels show live chat. Like, that's not, oh, Packers fans are so passionate. No, I think a lot of them, like a lot of people, are just miserable.
So we're going to scream about Matt LaFleur or, you know, Joe Berry, how he's a moron. Like, I don't think that equates to passion in the same way that leads to a. Big time crowd, a full, full-throat, you know, standing ovation crowd. That's never been my experience at American Family Field or at Bucks Games. It's, you know, we'll stand for a minute here and there, but it's always, we're always returning to center.
Yeah, I'm fine with that, but just standing up. You can't even stand up for anything. Yes, you can. No, you can't. This playoff game, game five, these fucking ladies.
Good. Why? Yes, I will sit back down. I am conscious of you.
So you can stand. You stood to get into your car. You stood to get here. You're going to stand to go to the bathroom three times. You're going to stand to go get concessions and miss two whole fucking innings.
You can't stand for a 3-2 count in the fourth inning. for 18 fucking seconds Yeah. Grand. You're the put on your owner hat, put on your president. I got another thing to say.
Okay. Okay. Oh my life. You know what I've been subjected to? You know what I've been subjected to?
As a Packer fan, all my life. Hostility. You wouldn't have been able to handle the 70s and the 80s. We had to grow up in a.
Well, guess what? I'm old enough now. to talk about what I grew up in. And I grew up in the Farvin Rogers era. where we had expectations.
where we were proud. of our team. For winning titles and competing for titles, where we didn't feel embarrassed. About how good we were or how cocky we were. Oh, Packer fans, they really think a lot of themselves.
You're goddamn right, we did. And now you've taken that away. You are trying to bring back the apathy levels of the seventies and eighties while still wanting the onfield success of the nineties and the zeros and the tens. It ain't like that. I Want to be a Packer fan that is scolded, that is thought, oh, in Title Town, oh, you're such a little bitch.
Oh, yes. Because I have high expectations for my football team, because that's the football team I grew up with.
So, I don't care if you grew up in the 70s and 80s. I don't care if you grow up now. In this world that's so broken, I grew up when people cared about success.
So get on my fucking level. Isn't there a book about Lombardi called When Pride Still Mattered? That's what I'm thinking about here. Yeah, by David Moran. I grew up.
I grew up. Knowing that the 70s and 80s existed. But why would I give a fucking minute of thought to that? When I could go back and look at the 60s, oh my God, we had this great team. We were the team of the decade.
We won the first couple of Super Bowls. We had the most no-nonsense coach around. That was also. A great human. At the forefront of his time.
Was a hard ass and Lombardi time and all this kind of stuff about who he was. He wanted a lot from you, but he respected the hell out of you if you gave it to him. Where'd that go? Where'd that go? And I say, Matt LaFleur is on the same sideline as Vince Lombardi.
It doesn't make sense. Oh, well, the. Man LaFleur every day should look at himself in the mirror and be like Do I understand the job that I had? Do I understand what came before me? I am Vince Lombardi.
I have the same job as Vince Lombardi. And I'm going to sit here and be a wangy little bitch and not know how to talk to the Wisconsin Badgers for 18 fucking seconds on a pep rally, and now they can't win a game after. Or they won the other night. Maybe in Iowa, right? Was it Iowa?
Grant. Put on your Owner hat put on your president. Of the team hat. There it goes. Yep.
There's a problem to be solved when it comes to the Packers season ticket situation. Mm-hmm. Or ah.
Well, the list is like 40,000 people long, isn't it? What are we up to? I think way more than that, like 150K. Yeah, way more than that.
Well, then my answer to that will be: no shit, because the list is 150,000 people long. How many people live in Wisconsin total? How many people are, you know what I mean? West or east of the GBI? I don't know.
Wow. I just th that the the The season ticket situation is more of like, you know, our waiting list is 150,000 or whatever. And it's like, okay, so that's a cool anecdote, but really probably speaks to.
Something that's broken or something that needs fixing. I think what you guys are discussing.
Well, you can connect them. I think there is like older folks feel like they have to go because they waited forever.
So there is a little these two issues do do intersect. Yeah, I think these issues are for the most part other than that little thing. separate. Like, I think Wisconsin sports fans are not as bought in and rowdy at games. I don't think they're bad, but I don't think they're next level like some other places.
And the season ticket list is insanely long. I also am someone who thinks, like, I also don't. I know there's economic reasons why teams do it. I don't think anyone needs season tickets. You want to go to a bunch of games, get a bunch of tickets.
You know what I mean? I was just looking at a brewer's. Six pack. to like build my own And then like... Have some of the season ticket amenities.
But you got to have a 12-pack before you can do that. And then the 12 packet it's like, I don't know, I'm not. I'm not like the like if I had season tickets for the Bucks tonight, I'd be paying $157 for a seat I can get right now for $33. Yep. But but so then they have to make their things better.
So then they have to make like, well, you get a QA with John Horst.
Okay, now I'm interested.
Well, you get 25% off food and beverage.
Okay, now I'm interested.
I don't understand how hard it is. for the Packers or any other team to just be like. Here's a section where no one's going to stand.
Okay. Why is that so hard? And when I say stand, when I say stand, people online are like, Well, I don't I don't want to stay. I don't want to stand the whole game. I don't want it.
I don't want to be rowdy the whole game. I'm asking to stand maybe. Times a game, okay? Six or seven times a game. for six or seven seconds at a time.
And I'm asking the stand, like. You could get up. Try to Get your family. Are we all good? Do we have everything?
You can get up and go to the bathroom. And people will look at you with you in front of them blocking the game and be like, Oh, they're going to the bathroom. But then if you stand up for four seconds to watch a pitch... Down in front. That does that.
That is. Yeah, I want up and back. I'm going to start saying up and back. Have have you seen the movie The Big Short Bart? Yeah, I love it.
You know Steve Corell's character whose name escapes me? Um Just um Mark. Mark Baum, just a miserable prick. And the whole power of the movie is just him walking around New York. Just grandstanding because the man is getting screwed and he can't do anything about it.
And every battle is his. And his wife is like, Mark, you're miserable. He's like, I'm not miserable. I love my job. I, that's you.
Like, You're so angry about this. And I don't think you're wrong. But again, I'll go back to the first thing that I said after your first rant. It's like, do you, why do you feel the need like you have to pick up the sword for this? This is such a losing battle where people are just going to yell at you.
I don't understand. I think that's emboldening of the take, then, though. It's like, all right, there's something here. And you're just going to egg him on. That's what, and I can't talk to you because you're just going to egg him on.
I can't talk to either of you about this. I have said this to Bart. Back in his glory days of being on a national radio show. And I said something to the effect, though, of like, there's actually now somebody. With a platform who's saying the things that I think a lot of people think and don't want to say, or don't feel they can say without significant pushback.
And that is a skill. That I mean, honestly, I don't grant you consume a ton of sports radio. Who who says things that aren't So, like, no matter how big you want to say the box is, however big the, you know, like, here's what an accepted take. How many people more than half of the time? And again, people think Bart makes up things to rage bait.
I know him. I know that's not what he's doing. He tries to explain that to people who don't believe him. But you, Grant, I think, as the. I think you might consume the most like sports radio among the three of us.
That's okay. What what percent like actually Go outside that accepted take territory. More often than not. It's rare. It's rare, right?
In our state, it doesn't exist. It's zero because you need to say something interesting in order to get outside the box, and no one in locally or nationally. I don't think there's anybody that's ever been in Milwaukee or Wisconsin sports radio that has hated. as me. Because you do say things, though, that are not.
Yeah. Accepted as an okay thing to say. And maybe they never will be. I think you feed on it. I think you sustain yourself off of this.
I think you need people to yell at you.
So then you can say, I'm the guy that everyone yells at. There's got to be something in you that leads you to do this. And I don't know what it is. I would say though, to parallel it for a second, there was someone that made a comment in the YouTube video like two months ago, and I clipped it and sent it to you guys. And it said, this show is far too good to be called mm-hmm.
And I said to you guys, like, I. This is proof that it's a great name for what we're doing.
So I think there's a That's my how I see things sometimes. It's like, okay, if you're painting outside the numbers. There's a degree to which it's Too far, and just you're not even, you don't actually mean what you're saying. And we know that there are national hosts who have scripts like, here's what you're saying today, boss. Like, that happens.
I have always meant, I'm sorry, I've always meant what I've said. I've never Faked a take. I've never faked my. Like, so there's like theatrics to this kind of. But I'm not even doing that.
I'm this mad. I am this mad. And I hate. Hate. When I get accused of you know trying to Get clicks or whatever because one.
Obviously, we want like we want people to look at our stuff. But I'm not doing things with that intention in mind. I'm as real. As this fucking shit has ever seen. And I get What's that?
Yeah, so maybe I like being the victim. Maybe I like being the martyr, but guess what? Bumside. I don't like it. I don't like it.
I have an internal dialogue that is martyring against my outturner dialogue. It's like why are you doing this to me? We just want a nice quiet life. Just go fucking work at a bank, Bart. It's fine.
You can coach soccer on the weekends and like. You know, hang out with your friends on the internet sometimes. That's fine, but I gotta be all like, oh. That's what I'm saying. I don't know why.
I don't want it. What even? Why have you taken up this cost this week? The Packers have been eliminated for too much. I don't even know last time you went to a Packer game.
What set you off this week where it's like, you know, who needs to hear about it? Everyone who listens to me and lives in my listening area. I need to tell them they're bad fans. Good question. Because I did have that thought.
I was tweeting about it and I go. Way how did I get here? What am I doing? How did I get here? And I also realize, and this is what I've always known this.
But Well, first of all, I'm going to see how much money Elon gives me on Friday. And if it's less than a hundred bucks, I'm out. Woohoo! I'm out. I can't be doing this all day.
I can't be on Twitter all day. Because I don't know. I don't know. Twitter. Should be.
Twitter doesn't get me.
Okay. My voice Is different on Twitter than it is on here. That's because you can't explain things in two sentences. Most of your takes should never be presented on Twitter. They should only be presented long form and in breakout clips.
Mm-hmm. And then you send a follow-up tweet, like, right?
Well, okay, so people took the first one the wrong way. But if I follow it up with another tweet, then they'll just get it. It's like, no, they won't. They're not going to so if someone look. If someone listened to this podcast.
They'd be like, you know what? Bart's making some good points. He sounds a little nuts, and I'm wondering why he's. Choosing to make these points now, but they'd be like, I get it. He took his time to talk about his experiences.
If you just tweet, Wisconsin sports fans are lazy and stupid and fat and don't stand, and I don't get it. Like, yeah, Bart, guess what? Twitter's not going to get that. The people who follow you who live in Wisconsin and go to the games are not going to get that because it's Twitter. Yeah, also I'm talking to a lot of people that just do not exist.
None of these people are real. None of these people have driven the GBI before, that's for sure. Is that true that the GBI is not going to go through with Daylight Saving? That they're going to stay. Like just in that little pocket, you can go back and get your.
We put Cohn in charge of it.
So, yeah, it's not going to follow along with any. Any daylight saving time. Anyway, so that's my take.
Well Well, so Grant, I do want to follow up with your comment.
So, the reason you said. what I said that there is a season ticket holder problem. And you said, definitely, it's because of the length of the list. You're president of the team for a day, but you get to do anything you want. Are you Are is there an answer that you think that that's is worthwhile and worth the spending of your your day as team president or Status quo is perfectly fine.
I think the status quo is fine. Maybe you could tinker with it. I would try to figure out how to be better than a seven seed. That would be my first order of business. But the season ticket thing is.
I understand.
I understand where you guys are coming from. I just think that all of these. I I don't think you're going to fix it perfectly. I think part of the allure of having season tickets other than the sentence Yeah, I have season tickets. I don't think they're the allure is I'm on the list.
And don't you know that my team has a list that's 150,000 people long?
So. Right now I'm on the list. I'm not even close to getting my tickets. It's more like so many parts of Packers fandom, by the way, is just flexing your superiority. We get quarterbacks right.
I'm an owner. Lambeau Field is a cathedral to football. Yes, that's how it should be. That's fair, and the season ticket thing is just an extension of that, right? Like, I'm on the list, and you know, you Vikings, you could go buy season tickets tomorrow.
You lose. I'm going to wait 60 years, but then the problem is, eventually, those tickets come due, and you're like, oh, fuck. I gotta go. I've been on the list for 60 years.
So that dynamic is interesting and there's a problem there, but I think it stems from the fact that, like, the list is the point. The tickets aren't the point. The list is the point. The list is more important than the tickets themselves for a lot of people, probably myself included.
Well, it's like the ownership thing. It's a thing that we can brag about, but this one doesn't do anything, and it's actually worse. It makes things worse. And I will say this about the Packers. Um And what my issue is.
What's your issue with Matt LaFleur? I'll tell you what my issue is. with a fluor or anybody else right now involved in this team. It's that You don't need to be embarrassed. To want to succeed and be good.
You don't think you should What does that mean? What does that mean? You should be proud of being good. It's okay to be boisterous. It's okay to be loud.
It's okay to have pride. It's okay to want to win. And this team looks at like, Gosh, I mean, uh, we're just trying to set things up right. And if we do, that'd be fun, but we don't want to get in anybody's way to do it. Fuck you.
Okay. That's what they're doing. But so is the message wrong? Are people receiving it wrong? Because right now I'm at the point where I think.
The people receiving the message are wrong and dumb and bad and pretty and lazy. Just saying what you said. Bart, what is your answer? Your team president for a day. And you can solve the ticket situation.
What is your answer? I'm saying My answer is. Everybody that has season tickets, we're having a special season ticket party. And if you're on the list, too, you get to come. And I'm going to walk them through the door and check their vitals.
And if my AI tells me they're likely to be dead within five years, I'm kicking them off the list.
Okay. I said, what are you really going to do?
Well, they can't do anything. You can't scrap the season ticket. You can't do that.
Well, so a couple of things I would say. I would stop offering it. First off, like other teams, most have the personal seat license. Very expensive. Right.
You can also jack up the price to top five, top 10 in the league prices. And well, personal seat license, I think that is a crime against humanity. What are they doing though? Why are they doing it? A, because they can.
B, because it is the demand that supports it.
So If you want charging people for something you're already charging them for, no, no, but the problem is, and the reason that people will sell them is because what they can get more for them than what they paid while retaining their season ticket list.
So if there's a playoff game or they want to keep them for their next year, whatever the case might be. If your price, so put it this way: if you spent whatever it was on your ticket. Um But you kept doing it because you could sell it for more.
Well, the secondary market is proving. That it's actually worth two, three X, what is. What you're paying.
So, like, the Packers are making a mistake. Then they're mad about it because they're like, oh, how dare you sell your seats? I mean, no shit. I can get a lot more for them. You're you're mad at me for that, but if I go I'm not the type to like.
Make this a home field advantage.
So I mean, is there like a... Mm-hmm. Hacker. Proof of Packer-ness. Like, I'm a Packers fan.
I'm in this waiting room, but I'm not for the season tickets. Like, why wouldn't you create a waiting list? This is all spitballing. You have 150,000 names. Right?
Some of them are our kids, Bart, and they're not going to be like, yes, hello. Yeah, I would like that game for Sunday. But there's presumably plenty of adults that could be called up and be like, hey, do you want these seats? Sweet. I'm on the way.
I presumably I want. to go to a game. I'm on a season ticket waiting list. Why are we not taking advantage of that? Again, this is thinking off the top of my head, but there's.
There's something better than just like, if you sell them. You're out. But also, I know you can get more for them, but we're also not gonna raise the price to... top five price levels, which we could get. None of it makes business sense to me.
I don't follow the business logic. Hashtag capitalism. Hmm. Do you pretend to know more than Ed Policy, who on our station we've begun calling silent Ed because he won't come out and speak about the hire of Matt LaFleur, which I think is very funny? They clearly have a plan, the Title Town District.
The sledding hill. The draft. This is all Mark. Maybe all the business sense went out the door with Mark. I'm just not in the business of solving people's problems for them.
Like, if the Packers think they have a problem, then you figure it out. I don't know. Paul, you're more of a problem solver than I, I think. I love problem solving. I just think.
In this situation and lots of others in life, where it's like, can you just stop acting like the world revolves around them? Like, you don't get to sit and make everyone else sit. You don't get to stand if no one else wants to stand. You don't get to sit in the left lane when there's a million cars behind you. Like, where do people.
So User set awareness. All right, so I decided to answer this question analytically. Through AI. If you sign up today for two to four seats, how long do you think you should expect? Until your name gets called.
60 years.
So the answer is somewhere between 60 and 150. My brother and I signed up as kids. We're like. We'll give these to our grandkids. Like we knew.
Can they still be passed down? Has that not changed? I don't know if they can do it. I don't know if they can be willed anymore. I felt like that changed like 10 years ago.
I could be wrong. But then it says, if you want just a single seat, can you sign up for, is that a choice? Like, it's like, can you get a call? And then, hey, we have a single, I don't know, but it says that would take about five to 20 years. Um the th The 30 to 50 years idea is for those who joined in the 80s and 90s when the list was only 30K to 70K.
but today's reality is grimmer. It's a cool tradition, but smells like demand illusion. All right, don't read AI. Don't fuck God. Why does AI write like a loser?
Why is the AI font like it's this wrapped in this? Fuck you.
Nothing's wrapped in shit. Fuck you.
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That was good. Bart Grant, have you seen the Brewers? Mizorowski AI video yet. The one with the apple on the head? Yes.
Yeah, the free link video is great. That video is great. The AI question mark video. Um The Brewers have set a new sports precedent for an is this real piece of AI content? Or mm-mm.
I got a better question. Yeah, yeah. How much money? Would you have to agree to To put an apple on your head to see if Miz can knock it off with a 100-mile-hour fastball. No, obviously.
No helm a no helmet? No, and if he's low, you're dead. No, but I mean I mean if he's That's my point.
So like what's what what are we talking?
So helmet, right, no helmet. For five million dollars, you would do that video for real. No, no, no. But then I don't want to kill him, so then he throws it too high. No, he's got to connect with the Apple, and you both get the money.
If he misses entirely, it's a push. If he hits it, you win the money. If he hits, if it's lower, you die. Yeah. But you don't get it if he misses.
He has to actually hit the apple.
Well, you might as well go to this question. How much money? Would you put on the line for a coin flip to know if you were going to be dead tonight or not? That's what it is. I don't think there's a total.
Like, if you won't flip a coin for $10 million, are you going to flip a coin for $100 billion? No. You know what I mean? No, 'cause you could be dead. Yeah, no, the answer is no.
All right, anything else for you guys? I know that I talked a lot. It's your verse. Paul, do you have another question? I'm good.
Grant, do you have any? You have any combine insight? Did you see anything cool? Yeah. I'll be kicking around the steakhouses.
Get a shrimp cocktail at St. Elmo's. Rumor is there's a new place to go. St. Elmo's a little overrated.
It's overblown. There's a new place on the rise. Can't remember which one. But I have heard that. Grant, what was the question you asked to Ben Johnson today?
To who? What do you ask? Afflee. He asked the question to half. Oh, I asked the question to halfly.
That's the only question I asked. I tried to ask one to Goody, but I was overpowered by men with larger presence and command. What was your halfly question again? I honestly try to remember. I asked, I'll try to word it exactly the same way.
I said, Jeff. You guys had a real problem closing out games in Green Bay this last year. What did you learn from that experience? What can you take with you to Miami, an organization? They're going to need to know how to win.
They're going to need to learn how to win. That was the question. But really, it was a. You really shit the bed.
Well, exactly. It was a media press conference. Wording of Jeff. What the fuck? That's kind of what it was.
My baby gave a good answer. He gave a non-answer, which is a bummer because he always gives good stuff. But I'm like, ow, the one time I ever, I'm like, I'm going to kill 20 minutes on my show with this. But to be fair, it's because you basically told him he was. Shitting the bed.
It's reasonable. I'm not saying it's not reasonable. Issue closing out games in Green Bay last year. That's collective. I didn't say his defense, I said they, you.
Yeah, I mean, let me tell you. Ask him, what did you learn from Matt LaFleur that's going to make you better in Miami? Ooh. What do you think he would say? I learned what not to do.
That's what I'd say. Yeah, it's good. All right, so two things. We're going to do a little cliffhanger here. One.
If I don't get a hundred bucks by Friday... I'm scrubbing everything I've ever tweeted. And I'm only Tweeting videos. Grant, what is your video? you're not going to get that much money.
Nor will I do it.
So why do I say Grant? Grant, what has been your biggest single Elon paycheck? I think 35 bucks. Oh, well, then, yeah, you're not going to get a hundred then, Grant a bar, because Grant's had a few. I got a $50 banger a couple of weeks ago.
Okay. Is that weekly or bi-weekly? Bye weekly. Fifty bucks?
Alright, what's your second thing? The second thing is I have a text that I need to share with the two of you. Off air. I may someday bring it on air.
Okay, or I may never speak about it again.
So that's a cliffhanger. And if anybody asks, what did you tell them after the show? I will not tell you. We will print it and put it under a rock near the GBI. Yes, that is a good idea.
That is a good idea. First person to find it and take a picture with it. I think it could be a thing right now. Wins dinner with Krant. I want to do a broadcast there.
Yeah. Yes, and I'm coming to be a guest. Yeah. Good. Paul Grant, thank you.
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