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I can't wait to see what happens Friday night. Shador, plaything, looking end zone, lofting back quarter, the end zone touchdown. Shador gunning end zone. That's a touchdown. Today's guest.
NFL Network Insider Mike Garifolo. 14-year NFL veteran Chase Daniel. Host of NFL Red Zone, Scott Hansen. And now, sitting in for Rich. It's Tom Pellicero.
Welcome to a Rich Eisenless edition of the Rich Eisen Show. I am Tom Pellicero. Thrilled because, unlike in my normal weekly spot every Friday on this show, I can say this in person. Happy to be with my boys in the show. Hey!
What up, baby? We're still too far. Who apparently, this is his day to work this month. TJ Jefferson. I guess they don't have to send you this video because you're in front of him.
If Rich sees you. From the bottom right now, in that video, he's going to be upset.
Well, then, let's make sure he does see it.
Well, to see it, he would have to take a break. From Instagramming every piece of food. Do we have that? Do we have the shots of Rich's breakfast here? Oh, there's that croissant.
I mean, this morning. I hate this so much, but that does look delicious. Delicious first on campus. The shape of it alone. I mean, if you've ever been to Paris, first off, go.
Secondly, it's some of the best food you'll ever have. What else does Rich have in there? There's a poulet. Poulet. I don't know what's going on.
Very tiny, bite-sized sandwiches, apparently, here. Yep. One more? Do we have one more? You know, he's doing this just to grind my gear.
Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I feel this is targeted. This is hostile. Oh, Shays come out later.
A hostile work environment to start our Monday by Richardson. Aren't the other people... Because I assume Rich doesn't go to the touristy places, right? He's going to like the real spots. The fancy spots.
The real spots. The real spots. And aren't the Parisians looking over going, stupid Americans? Susie's doing research. Taking the photos.
Susie's doing research. Distinctly American. I mean, Rich doesn't exactly blend in when he goes to other countries.
So, yeah, there's just.
Well deserved Famatic and breakfast, that Famicom isn't. You can smoke everywhere there. Of course. European, man. Yeah.
Glad the rich is getting a break, well deserved, before the grind of another NFL season. But he misses out today on what I have to say. Has to be the most overreaction Monday of the Mondays we've had. Since at least February, right? There's nothing else.
Maybe the Masters or something else. But this is the first preseason games in a year where you have as many high-profile quarterbacks. play in a series, two series, couple of quarters even. Against some mix of other teams, guys, that they're going to cut, some of the starters. Yeah.
Every year there is a drastic overreaction good or bad to that first time out. And if you're... Sitting there and you've been on the Quinn Ewers bandwagon, for instance, throughout the course of training camp, and then you look at five of 18, a couple of fumbles, you're not feeling great. But he's not supposed to be. But the Ewers hype training was getting a little, you know, starting to get the wheels moving.
You look good the day I was there. Yeah. The day I was in Miami, he looked really good. Had outplayed Zach Wilson to that point in camp. It's a long way to go.
And again, you're playing with third-stringers. You're playing with a bunch of guys who are all in the same spot you are, which is just trying to get onto a roster. But then we've got.
Some of those other quarterbacks. Cam Ward, the number one pick, somehow, is the one that we talk about the least just because it's, well, he's a starter. It's going to be pretty good. We're pretty confident in that. You got Jackson Dart, and we'll get to him momentarily.
Tyler Schuck. And then you have Shador Sanders. Which I will say the following. is not an overreaction. to what we saw on Friday night.
I don't think it's an overreaction to say. Shador Sanders is not getting cut. Yeah. Fifth round picket quarterback, okay? This can go different ways.
We see it every year.
Some guys make it, some guys end up on the practice quad. Occasionally, somebody who's so mad walking. You gotta have 50-50 to make the team usually when you're drafted in that spot. There is enough there. And we'll have Chase Daniel on, who knows far more than I do about the X's and O's, but there's enough there.
You can just watch it, eye test. The things that you said before the draft that were the positives on Shador, namely, he's really accurate, showed up in the game. I was on the show on Friday when Rich asked, What are you looking for from a Shadur Sanders first start? And I said, You just want to see him play on time. All those things that The sacks he took and holding the football and trying to play hero ball all the time.
You don't need that. We saw him do it once. In that game on fourth and one, when he scrambled like thirty yards backwards, And then I don't know if they called him for grounding or not, but he clearly just ditched the ball at the end of it. You saw it a little. But a lot of the time it was First read, second read, get the ball out in rhythm.
You get the opportunities in the red zone and he throws a couple up. High degree of difficulty passes. Push it in a tough spot. For touchdowns.
So I don't think it's an overreaction to say already. Listen, if you cut Shador Sanders now, he's getting claimed. Yeah. So let's start the slide of this. I know everybody watched Time On.
Shouldn't he be the starter? Should he even start this week? Let's start at the baseline here, which is Chadur is not getting cut. Tom, there are probably some teams that hope he does get cut so they can right their draft day wrongs. Upgrade the plenty of teams that would have.
Isolating just the player, even though there were, yeah, questions about the holding the football and the taking the sacks and the processing and those things, just because you didn't see it on tape. plenty of teams that thought this guy could play. It was about everything else. Which is where we're going here.
So, number one. Shador Sanders is not going to get cut. Number two, I don't think it's an overreaction to say. That we have Already cross the milestone marker. of this being a sort of cultural phenomenon.
That game was in Carolina.
Okay. The fact that in a preseason opener. You could have a fifth-round draft pick who, when he makes a completion, you can cut away every time to different groups of people in the stands wearing his jersey. His NFL jersey, not the Colorado jersey. We're to number 12, Cleveland Browns jersey.
That is something we rarely see in the NFL. The closest thing And I'm not saying it's the same because these are different situations, but the closest thing I can remember was Tim Tebow. It is Tim Tebow coming in. He was a first-round pick. The Broncos trained up to get him.
Okay, that was, again, on a different level, but it was the instantaneous. The cult following from college. It was the amount of attention on it. Mm-hmm. The only way that the Broncos ultimately three years later could move on from Tim Tebow.
Was to sign Peyton Manning, who was only available because he had a broken neck.
Okay, that's what it took. Yeah, Rich gets out of it. Rich always calls it the bloodless coup that John Elway pulled off to end Teebo time. It had to be. That's the only way you could do it was.
You need to find somebody that people would be equally excited about. And even though Peyton Manning's arm was barely attached, he threw like 55 touchdowns his first year. Yeah, his first year was unbelievable. I was at that opener and he threw six or seven touchdowns against them. Seven touchdown passes, and it was just an absolute butt-kicking.
And that was a weird game, too, because the Ravens coming off a Super Bowl, but the Orioles refused to change the schedule because they share a parking lot in Baltimore. And so the defending champs went on the road to Denver. Oh, by the way, Peyton Manning's debut. Unbelievable. And 55 touchdowns, I believe, was the number that season.
Yeah. And that's what it took to make people not be talking about Tim Teepo. It's going to be similar with Shadur, and I don't know that Joe Flacco has 55 touchdowns in him. Left in his career or this season? I mean,.
Two, three years maybe? If you get 30 touchdowns out of Deal Flacco, you're pretty happy.
So now Kevin Stefansky's in a tough spot here because realistically going into this thing. You are not thinking it's likely. that Shador Sanders is going to be your starting quarterback, okay?
Now, were they going in open-minded? My understanding was yes, that they really wanted that, hey, let's put we're going to have a plan, we're going to work through it, we're going to be adaptable, we're going to figure out who the best guy is, and ultimately you got to put the best one on the field. Mm-hmm. Shador Shows enough in that first start now that the fans, social media, LeBron James. The mainstream media.
Everyone now is getting ahead. of where we actually are. In terms of where Shadur is at in his progression. But did it look good? Yeah.
There were some really good things that he did on the field. And it makes you wonder, okay. Are you better off putting Joe Flacco on the field? this Saturday night against the Eagles, who probably aren't gonna play their guys. If Joe Flacco plays well, Then it becomes an argument.
All right, now it's a debate, even if it's not a debate in the building, but it's a debate publicly of Flacco or Shaddur, which way should they go? If Flacco plays badly, in the minds of everyone, there is no debate. No debate. How can you not put Shadur onto the field? And I've witnessed this firsthand.
I was at the opener. For the Bears in 2018. When they had just signed Mike Glennon and drafted Mitch Trubisky. Again, Trubisky's the number two pick. You know, ultimately, he's going to be the guy.
You're not sitting there going, is he going to make the team? They traded up for him. They traded up to get Mitch Trubisky at number two. It's amazing. Who did they miss in that draft?
That's interesting. That was 2017. There were a few. The guy who's gone to the Super Bowl basically every year in his career is one of them. Oh, that guy.
Number 15. But you still, though, you watched it. Mike Glennon goes out in that first game, just gets the crap kicked out of him in the preseason opener. Like just, it's absolutely derailed. Then Triske comes in.
It's like, oh man. This looks pretty good.
Now, all they were calling in that game was bootlegs to the right, because that's what Trubisky did really well.
So he's just on the run, throwing the ball, going, oh man, this guy's got it. We got to like the halftime of week two, and Mike Glennon was out of the lineup and Trubisky was in and went to the Pro Bowl that year, went to the playoffs, I might add. If not for a double doink, they're winning a playoff game, and the entire Trubisky Matt Nagy legacy might be rewritten, but I digress. Doink, doink. But that's what it reminds me of: is now if Flacco goes and plays badly, now you're really.
fighting the uphill battle of, hey. This is the plan. We're going to go with the veteran. Kenny Pickett's still not ready.
Okay, Kenny Pickett is still not even ready to do team drills this week.
So, any thought that Pickett is going to win the job? Not impossible. But let's say it's going to be difficult for him. Dylan Gabriel is finally reintegrating in. you also now run that risk of, well, Let's say Dylan Gabriel doesn't go out and play well.
Or even if he does, everything is now shaped through the lens of. a highly publicized Preseason debut for one guy. In Shador Sanders. He may or may not actually end up being the starter when you come out on the other side of this. And the most difficult things for teams to do.
And this happens every year when you've got. Guys who are drafted higher, right? Guys you signed in free agency. The hardest thing to do is to sit there and say, well, We are gonna have to do the thing that goes against what people in the public think. We have to do what's right for this team.
And if anybody has experience in that, it's Kevin Stafansky. Who's a two-time NFL coach of the year in Cleveland? Has there been a year that's gone by in Cleveland that's just been normal? Since Stefanski got there well beyond, well before that too. But his first year is COVID.
They go to the playoffs. He misses the playoff game because he gets COVID. Oh, yeah, that's right. Right, right. You have the Deshaun Watson trade that obviously did not work out.
You had in 2021, that was still Baker Mayfield, and that was a topsy-turvy year, and there was back and forth. You had Odell was still there, and that controversy. 2022, you bring in Deshaun, the suspension, all that. 23, it's an injury to Deshaun. 24 is an injury to Deshaun.
23, you still make a playoff from. Nobody has navigated chaos better. Than Kevin Stefansky.
So this is quite possibly in his mind like a bump in the road. Which I'm sure is part of the reason when Andrew Berry pulls the trigger. On Shadur Sanders in the fifth round, after taking Dylan Gabriel in the third, it's like, well, What's the worst that's going to happen? Don't forget the Nick Chubb injury in 23. Nick Chubb injury.
All kinds of injuries in 23. They were unbelievably beat up. They went through, they played, I believe they started five quarterbacks that year. I can't even off the top of my head name all of them. Deshaun Watson was one.
Jeff Driscoll was one. I haven't. Let's go. Jeff Driscoll. Yep.
Deshaun Watson. Flacco. Obviously, Flacco. Can you name the other two? Was Snoop Huntley there that year?
Incorrect. No, he was still on the Ravens. I was just Josh Jackson just because why not? Josh Johnson. No, guys with three names.
Dorian Thompson Robinson correct. And and not not TJ Jefferson, but P.J. Walker. P.J. Walker.
They went to the playoffs. with that group. Flaker went 4-1 and was comeback player of the year, coming back from the couch. It's unbelievable.
So that's the context of the spot the Browns are in. This is, by Browns' standards, a really good problem to have. Hey, that fifth-round pick. That everybody passed on a bunch of times in the draft. Looks like he's got something, at least enough to like, let's try to develop him.
Whatever the fear is outside the doors. Kevin Stafansky has shown he can be the steady guy. I remember Brad Childers telling me that years ago, who was the guy who first hired Kevin Stefansky to be his assistant. Not an assistant coach, his assistant in 2006. And it was, Kevin is like the calm in the storm always.
Well here comes the storm. It's a great storm to have. Because you might have stumbled into something here with Shador Sanders. The next storm is Who do you roll out there on Saturday? And how do you handle whatever the reaction is, good or bad?
as this thing moves forward. We'll talk about those other quarterbacks. This will not just be the Shador Sanders three hours, although we'll certainly get into that. Ton of NFL on the show today. I'm pumped up.
Chase Daniel is going to be here at 10:20. Nobody breaks down quarterback play like him. We'll get into all the rookies. We'll get into Justin Fields, what he showed in a game against the Packers that had the Packers coaches seething after that one. Fields doing things that look like Justin Fields again.
How does that play out in New York? We'll get into that with Chase. Scott Hanson. You want to get jacked up for the 2025 NFL season. Scott Hansen is going to be sitting right there.
Last time Scott was in the studio with me. It was a year ago at this time. We were talking gold zone. And then I asked him about his post. Post red zone routine on Sundays.
Oh, yeah. I checked it yesterday. That has 220,000 likes on Instagram. Wow. It is.
Let's see. Let's see if we get some more viral Scott Hanson moments. Coming up after this, a guy, Mike Garifolo, who saw some of those rookie quarterbacks play in person, saw the Colts competition, Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones. He's out there in New York. His thoughts on the Giants, the Jets, all the news items are still hanging out there, too, including several high-profile hold-ins.
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It's very rare that I begin an interview with somebody asking, who's your real estate agent? But coach, who's your real estate agent? Lisa Roberts. She does a great job. Anybody in Scottsdown needs a spot.
Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Oh, this is, yeah, man. I mean, this is the spot. You got a guest room?
Apparently, yeah, there's a couple. You're always welcome, man. I appreciate that. The question I have for you is the fire in the background. That was extra.
Yeah, that was extra.
Now, did you? Does it light up when you draft Isaiah Simmons? Or, I mean, like, is that what happened? Yeah, the whole house lit up when we got that pick. We were fired up.
I bet. Like, you're like, fire up the Coles. Fire up. You know, that probably had to happen. Who took this photo?
People want to know. Yeah, you were allowed to have one IT guy there at your house.
So it was one of our IT guys that took it. And he stayed in the Cabana, the IT guy? He did not stay in the house. Did he light the fire or did you light the fire? We're all fascinated.
This is fascinating to everybody. It is fascinating, isn't it? Yeah, I lit the fire.
Okay. Go ahead, Chrissy. Go ahead and ask. And Cliff, did you get in the pool at any point? I did not get the pool.
That's maybe next year. What's the one, I guess, comparison you've heard about the photographs before I guess we give one? What it looks like to people? What have you heard the most? The funniest one I saw was like...
It was to turn and they had the Brazzers logo. Like, oh gosh. Like, that was actually, like, really well done. I was gonna go cologne. I was gonna go cologne, you know, like it looked like, you know, bond.
Yeah, yeah. Tom Pellisero in. For Rich today, a tongue to dig into from the first full weekend. Of NFL preseason games. And let's bring in right now my friend from the NFL Network, co-host of The Insiders, which you can watch tonight, 7 p.m.
Eastern Time on NFL Network. Mike Garifolo is with us, Mike. Let's start out there in your backyard. Yes, nice. That was a couple of presses right there.
Yeah, that worked. Your backyard. The Giants, it's been a journey to get here at the quarterback position for them. Obviously, early returns, first time out. It's one preseason game, but Jackson Dart looked pretty good.
What's the reaction out there? Yeah, he's had a good couple of weeks here. He had a strong week in camp. Was it last week? I don't know.
They're all running together, Tom. It was the second week of our, no, it was the second week of our inside training camp coverage.
So, like any rookie given a chance, wow, I am bald in the back of my head. Wow. You really made a mistake. Do you want to turn the TV real quick, Mike, so we don't have to look? No, because it may fall off of here and just we'll just deal with it.
Yeah. Like any rookie, took some time to get adjusted. And then really hit his stride when Judy Baldy and I were there. Uh, we had a chance to sit down with them, and uh, I, you know, it's my first time really. hadn't been over there in the spring it was my first time to really get a chance to talk to him and meet him and um You just get a feel for a guy sometimes.
And I was very impressed. And there's that level of calm and in command and the way you have to be as a leader in the building. I the entire Quarterback room there has just done a 180. And there's a lot of personality, there's a lot of confidence, there's a lot of swag. And I include Jackson Dart in that.
So, you know, for him to go out and be as decisive as he was, get that ball out quickly, the one touchdown, the little Jordan Humphrey. He had a guy right in his face. He knew he was going to get hit and was willing to sit there and take it. I mean, these are the questions that you've got for a guy coming in out of a lane tipping system. Can he read it?
Does he have enough poise to stand there and go from one to two to three to four? And the Giants, really, from the time they drafted him, obviously felt like that was something that he could do, even if he wasn't asked to do it that much in college. We saw a little bit of that. We've seen it in camp. I think it's about as good a start as you could imagine if you're the Giants in Jackson Dart.
Part of me. Nobody said this to me, but for Brian Dable to come out the start of training camp day one at that press conference and make it clear Russell Wilson is QB1. I think somewhere in his head, he thought this kid could have a big preseason. He could have a big camp. We want to start the season with Russ.
So let's make that clear now before anything happens, kind of getting ahead of that one. How long does that last, Mike? Because when they draft Jackson Dart, and part of my understanding of the thought process of why Dart over, you know, Shadur obviously was talked about a lot, but any of the other quarterbacks that they could have drafted, part of it was the layers to his game, the mobility, the fact that he could move, he could get outside the pocket. You talk about Dable's history with Josh Allen, Dable having the best version of Daniel Jones we've ever seen back in 2022 before things kind of went sideways there. Russell Wilson at this stage of his career is not that guy.
He's not threatening you with his legs. He's not able to extend plays the same way. How patient can they be here? Or is it strictly dictated by, hey, if we're winning, we're going to leave this guy in there? Yeah, I mean, you look at their opening schedule.
It's at Washington, at Dallas, then it's home against the Chiefs and the Chargers, if I'm recalling correctly. Then I think it's the Saints. And then it's like Eagles. Oh, thank you very much. Appreciate it.
Eagles at Broncos at Eagles. San Francisco. I like San Francisco too. Judy and I were sitting there and trying to figure out, well, do you want the kid to start at home? Like, could the San Francisco game be?
Because you figure in that stretch there. I mean, I think this kind of sort of gets turned on its head if they go to Washington week one and win that game. I think that's going to change a lot of things in a lot of people's minds. And they did play them well last year. Probably should have beat them down there in Washington.
That's the game they didn't have a kicker because you know, got hurt in pregame.
So they're going to have to start to steal these games. But you look at those first eight weeks and it's like. Two and six, three and five. I mean, like, I At some point, you go, all right. We appreciate what Russ is doing.
And he's got, you know, some example that he's showing Jackson. Because look, I mean, We've taken shots at Russ, and people have poked holes and they feel like, you know, some of the stuff is corny. We've heard all that stuff with Russ, but he's a competitor. He does things the right way. He's a professional.
He's got confidence in himself. He's got confidence in his teammates. He knows how to lift people up. Like Russell Wilson coming here, even if he does not get off to a great start, or the team doesn't get off to a great start, because I'm not putting just the wins and losses on him. Even if the team doesn't get off to a great start, I still think this is going to be a good contribution for this team in the long run, and certainly for Jackson Dart as well.
So that's kind of that cluster of eight games to nine games is what I'm looking at and saying, unless they start to steal some of these games that I just can't see right now, I think that you get Russ for the first half of the season. And then maybe you turn it over to Jackson Dart. The Jets had their own quarterback situation to figure out in this offseason. It was pretty apparent very early on. It was not going to be Aaron Rodgers as a part of the program.
When Justin Fields comes in and they make, it's like a one and a half year commitment, right? But it's still, it's bridge quarterback money. You're wondering about what exactly are you getting here? Clearly, they didn't feel like we need to make this massive commitment. He's going to be the guy for years to come.
But despite being pronounced dead at the scene during practice when he stubbed his toe there a couple of weeks ago here, you watch him in that game. Like, that's the good Justin Fields. I know they're not scheming up in Green Bay, but when he's able to extend those plays, run in for the touchdown, like that's the guy who you at least go, okay, we know how dynamic this guy can be. How do we kind of build this offense around what he does well in the passing game? Yeah, and I think the Jets have a lot of talent.
So I hate to say this, like it's this roster that's just bereft of talent because there's a lot of guys there that they hope are going to be part of, and they've started to extend them. I mean, with Garrett Wilson, Deal Dunn, Sauce Gardner, Jermaine Johnson's another guy that they really believe, Will McDonald, that they believe is going to be a big part of their future.
So it's not like they don't have the makings of a roster and they can turn this thing around relatively quickly. But in the meantime, you get yourself a quarterback, a chance to reset himself. Aaron Glenn knew how dangerous he was because he had the game plan against him when he was with the Chicago Bears. And at the very least, if things aren't fully clicking offensively, he can do stuff with his legs. He can get out there and escape and he can get out there and create some havoc.
And who knows? Ideally, if you're Aaron Glenn, it's a Jared Goff type situation where everybody goes, okay, here's your bridge quarterback. And he winds up being your guy. And then you don't have to use draft capital to go out and find another guy. And you can use that to build around him.
So I think that's the pie in the sky hope here for Justin Fields. But in the meantime, it'll keep him competitive. Aaron Glenn wants to win games here. It's not like he's going in and saying, let's go three and 14 and get a high draft pick. He wants to win as many games as possible.
He doesn't care. He'll figure out the rest of it later on, which I think is the right approach. When you're coming in, you want to set a culture and set an environment of winning, an environment of what you expect.
So I think the Jets are going to be entertaining. I think Jets are going to be fun. I think the Jets are going to have, and the Giants too as well. I mean, at this point every year, I like to point out to people, I don't like to point out to people, I just happen to, that there have been two playoff games in the history of MetLife Stadium, and only one of them has involved the teams that actually play there. The other one was the Super Bowl.
So I'd like to have some playoff games here. That I can drive 15 minutes to. And that's with traffic, by the way, to get to the stadium. I thought it was interesting just in talking with Aaron Glenn, too, because there's two schools of thought. You could be, you know, hey, we're not talking about the past.
Every question you get, every time in the meetings, Aaron Glenn is absolutely talking about the past with the Jets. Like he's told players, this is the recent history. This is how long the playoff drought is. This is what we have to overcome. And, you know, frankly, they did the same thing in Detroit when he was there with Dan Campbell.
This Jets team is probably, to your point, more talented than that Lions team was at the same point in the process. And they got to hope that, or the Lions 5-21 or something like that out of the gate, you're hoping maybe you can ramp that up a little bit quicker. Mike Garifolo is our guest. You were also at the Ravens-Colts programme. Preseason game, which we're all still, at least I am like tantalized by the Anthony Richardson talent.
And you watch just his highlights. There haven't been as many as you'd like, but the highlights, him running the football and the big arm and those things. But like, if you had asked me before the game, like, what do you think is the most likely scenario, what happens? I'm like, I don't know, he misses a blitz pickup and gets hurt. And literally, that's how it played out.
Daniel Jones now gets the gets the opportunity here. You were around that team a little bit. What do you make of where they stand right now in Indy? Which now, like the plan going in was that Anthony Richardson would start and get the bulk of the action the other night. And then it's like, boom, he's out.
Daniel, you're in. And I asked Shane Steichen about after the game. I said, you're going to have to now look at week two and say, okay, I got to adjust and give Anthony Richardson more time in week two because he didn't get it. He said, yeah, he's probably going to have to do that.
So is that unfair to Daniel Jones? Because he sort of went in not expecting to play that much and maybe not, not that you game planned much in the preseason, but and maybe that's a good thing. Maybe they want to see how he adjusts and how he adapts and he doesn't complain and all that, which he won't. I mean, that's Daniel Jones for you.
So I also, coming out of that game, thought to myself, we've had a quarterback, Justin Fields that you just mentioned with a dislocated toe, a quarterback with a dislocated pinky and Anthony Richardson, and both were day-to-day. Like I, to me, don't talk to me for like two months. I don't want to hear anything on either one of those. If I have any bone come out of a joint, I don't want to hear it. But these guys, as we're reminded year in and year out, are tougher than we realize.
So look, I think Richardson not picking that up, and Steichen was asked about it and said it about as nicely as he could. You got to see that. And that ball's got to come out and it's hot. And not just from a completion standpoint, from a don't get knocked on your back standpoint. You can't have Ojabo running free like that.
And especially with some of these pass rushers that you're going to see throughout. And that's. Part of what we've been talking about. I mean, you could say a lot of things about Daniel Jones. I don't think that that's the kind of stuff that we've said over the last couple of years.
It's just been a matter of, you know, is the top end talent there? Is the ability to fit it in? Is the confidence to do what he needs to do? Because they, they, with the Giants, they kind of pared him down and said, okay, year one with Brian Daybole and Mike Kafka and Shea Tierney was like, let's just like shrink the field almost, especially when you're on the move and just kind of look here and don't worry about that. Focus here, make the best decision here.
Then they went to expand it. And it didn't work. And Darren Waller comes in. It's like, we're going to be this big explosive offense. And he never was that guy.
So I think for him to win this quarterback job, it's got to go back to being: let's just make the best decisions and let's prove that I can be as a quarterback in charge of the whole operation. It's been a wide open competition. That was made clear back in the spring. It is seemed just in talking to people through the offseason, like Daniel Jones may have the leg up just because coaches know what they're getting in him, but you still have the low floor, high ceiling aspect with Anthony Richardson. The ceiling's out there still.
The guy hasn't played that much football. It's just the story of his career to this point has been: it's hard to get better at football when you're not on the field playing football. You also have a competition in New Orleans. We'll see how that shakes out. Yesterday was a mixed bag, to say the least, with Tyler Chuck.
And then he got the one in Cleveland, Mike. We're going to be talking about this one until I know Kevin Stefanski kind of hinted today that maybe he'd make a decision after this next preseason game. You went through there. You were in Berea. You got the full.
Experience. I talked about it off the top of the show. I was struck watching that preseason opener. In Carolina, and the fact that the cameras had people in Shadur Sanders jerseys in a road game to cut away to after every single one of his completions. This is now like this larger cultural phenomenon inside that building.
How are they looking at Shadur and the way that he fits in right now as a rookie fifth-round pick into the broader quarterback plan? Yeah, I think it's been a little up and down in camp. To come out and play the way that he did in a live game, though, I think was huge. And I think sometimes you get these guys where. Maybe at a workout, a pro day or a showcase, that's what it was called.
I was searching for the word, the Colorado showcase that they had back in the spring. And you start to analyze it from a, you know, the way the ball looks and the way that he's doing things on air.
Sometimes about playing football. And this guy has shown the ability to play football. And maybe you weigh, not maybe you should weigh with what you see in a live game a little bit more than what you see in practice and what you see with those reps.
So I think it's been tough for. I know it's been tough for the Browns coaches to kind of get a read on who's working with the twos versus who's working with the threes because that's the way they sort of had to split it up when Kenny Pickett was down.
So you'd have Dylan Gabriel with the twos and Shador with the threes. Obviously, you got a better supporting cast when you're working with the twos than when you're working with the threes.
So I think that that's been a factor in camp. And they've sort of assessed it and weighted it that way and understand what each guy's doing when they're given a certain amount of reps.
So I think he played well. I think he did everything he needed to do in that game. And now you build on that. And we see. What Dylan Gabriel can do.
What's Gabriel's status today? I didn't see anything. I think he's starting to sort of still on the men's. Reintegrating into team drills. Kenny Pickett, not yet ready to reintegrate into team drills, which then, again, like if you're Kevin Stefanski, you're trying to figure out: all right, I need to see Dylan Gabriel at some point in game action.
Is three days of practice this week, four days of practice enough to put him out there? Do I need to see Joe Flacco? Am I actually creating a bigger issue if I play Joe Flacco, who we know what he is in the preseason, and then something goes wrong and a pass gets bad and it's picked off? And now everyone goes, you're an idiot if you don't start Shador. Like, these are real things.
Nobody's worth through more than Stefanski in his time as Brown's head coach in terms of total chaos, including at the quarterback position here. But it's an interesting situation to handle because you have to adapt your plan, much like the Colts are. The difference is here, you got four guys you'd ultimately like to see. you know, figure out what they are. I find it interesting that they didn't bring, the Browns didn't bring Joe Flacco back last year because they didn't want him hovering over Deshaun Watson.
And now you may have a Shador Sanders over Joe Flacco, which is not going to affect Joe. I mean, nothing's going to affect Joe at this point in his career. It's just going to be a conversation that the fans are going to have, that the organization, that the coaching staff might have to listen to. All right.
So I'm going to ask you this, Mike. We're not big prognosticators on the insiders, but you got a good feel for this. Week one. Who are we talking about as the Brown starting quarterback? Joe Flacco.
There's no question. There's no question about that. I've thought that from the beginning and I haven't wavered. This team's trying to show that they were not the team in 2024. They're more the team in 2023.
I guess it could be tough to get back to that record. I think you're going to see something a little bit closer to what we saw in 24, but to have Flacco there. I mean, I mean, you know how it is this time of year. You can walk into any camp and convince your most any camp and convince yourself that this team's actually going to be pretty good and they've got some talent at the NFL. It's a salary cap error.
Of course, every team has talent. It's just a question of when the holes start getting poked in the depth chart because of injuries, which team is still going to be able to stay afloat and which team is going to have its lack of depth exposed.
So as long as you got a team with, you know, Miles Garrett. uh on that side of the football good defensive players around him as well by the way uh and uh an offense with a good offensive line a veteran quarterback receivers that can make plays david and joko at the tight end position like you said go okay yeah i can see this team winning some games um you know i i it might be tough to kind of sustain that especially when you start to suffer some injuries but um i think flacco's in there i think like they they feel like they're going to be a lot better than people are prognosticating and then if it's not Joe Flacco at some point you go to the bench are you going to Shadura or are you going to Dylan Gabriel are you going to Kenny Pickett I can't imagine Sue Potley is going to be around But who knows? Deshaun Watson still rehabbing this. There's just, there's so much going on right now in that room. A couple more minutes here with Mike Garifolo from the NFL Network.
There's also a unique situation here within the NFL where a decade ago, Hold-ins were not a thing. They're still not really a thing under the collective bargaining agreement. This is completely a thing where certain teams have decided we're going to allow it to happen. Certain teams fine guys if they refuse to practice. You're not getting the big fines for being a holdout.
Right now, we have four situations, Mike. Micah Parsons in a public standoff with the Cowboys. You have Trey Hendrickson in a public standoff with the Bengals, Terry McLaurin and the Commanders, James Cook and the Bills. I will just ask you this. Which of these is the most baffling situation in your mind?
Because all of them on some level are things that you have to be surprised they've gotten to this point. They all feel the most baffling is different. Like, they all feel like easy deals that Tom, you and I could sit down and do. I feel like that. Seriously, we can get it done in five minutes.
And I've always sort of felt that. And it's like, well, there's no reason to rush it if you don't have that pressure point of the start of camp, the start of season, whatever it is. And at this point, it's going to be the start of the season for a lot of these things. But I just like. They're all baffling.
I mean, Micah is the most baffling. That's the easy. I'll take the, I'll take the low-hanging fruit because you know what the numbers are. You got to bite the bullet. And at some point, you just got to get it done.
And why would you even get this guy to a point where he's entertaining thoughts? I also don't think like the trade request came in. I was like, okay, fine. Because that's another thing, right? We've sort of become accustomed to all these things.
That's, you know, you hold in. If that doesn't work, then you fire the trade request. And I know that. A lot of people around Micah and who know Micah and who have talked to Micah believe it's legit. It's not just like, hey, oh, watch this hollow thing.
At this point, he's so upset with the lack of communication. And that's what, you know, like, oh, show me my respect.
Well, what they usually mean is the money. In this case, it's show me the respect. Like, I told you to go contact my agent. Why haven't you guys done that? And there has been at least some communication between the agent and the team.
But like, there's a lot of people at the team that they talk to. And it's like, okay, yeah, yeah, no, I'm not authorized to really have negotiations. It's got to be from Jerry or it's got to be from whoever Jerry authorizes to have those discussions.
So there hasn't been anything that I would actually even call communication because until they're actually negotiating a deal, who cares if it's just checking in and just having a brief conversation?
So. That's the most baffling one because why wouldn't you just, you know, okay, let's just have some communication with the agent, even if you're not ready to pay the price and you want to drag this thing out for who knows why, at least have the negotiation, at least have the communication, and show him the respect that he deserves. That's the part that gets me. Is it's not the fact that the Cowboys are dragging out another high-profile negotiation. We saw it with CD last year, we saw it with DAC last year, we saw it with DAC the previous time around.
This is their MO. but to not even call the agent. To it, we're sitting here, it's August 11th. One of your best players has requested a trade. You have not made an offer.
Like the conversations back in March, Jerry to Micah. Micah said, I don't want to be held to that right now. It's five months later. And whether it is pride or it is just this isn't how we're going to do business or you want to stir up interest in America's team, The Gambler and His Cowboys, videoing next week on Netflix, we'll be at the premiere of that tonight out here in Los Angeles. Is that a promo read for The Gambler?
Yes, it premieres August 19th, produced by Skydance Sports. It's going to be on Netflix. We're going to the premiere tonight. We're going tonight. The Egyptian theater.
We're looking forward to it. Maybe we can bring Jerry and Micah together there. We can solve this, Mike. Good on you guys. But I'll tell you this: Jerry doing what Jerry's doing is probably a better promo for the gambler than what you're reading right there, right?
Like that's all part of the whole deal.
So he gets it. And I think that that's at least a little part of this to continue the conversation in that regard. I just like at some point, are you playing with fire to the point where he goes, you know what? No, I'm legitimately pissed off and legitimately, no, trade me because I don't even care about that. We're not there.
And I think in the end, it can be mended and done relatively quickly. It's just got to happen. It's a gamble. And speaking of gambles, America's team, the gambler and his cowboys, debuting on Netflix next August 19th, which is next Tuesday. Mike, thanks a lot for the time, buddy.
I will see you on the Insiders tonight, 7 p.m. Eastern Time on NFL Network. We appreciate it. Oh, I'll be there. Can't wait, Mike Garifolo.
We got a lot more around the NFL to get into. That was the fantastic breakdowns from a guy who's been there for those quarterback battles. Chase Daniel's going to come up in a little bit here. He'll dig into more of the X's and O's of what we're seeing, not just from Shadur, but from the Giants quarterbacks, the Colts quarterbacks, Justin Fields. What does he make of the Saints quarterback competition?
Chase is going to be with us in just a little bit here. We'll also talk after this about Travis Hunter. A one-of-a-kind situation in Jacksonville. What have we seen? What have we heard?
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Yes, too. Yes, as I'm draped with my Eagles paraphernalia.
Now, that's like your gut.
So you got the green hoodie. Yeah, I went green hoodie, and then I went satin black jacket with the black eagle on it. This is subtle. This is subtle. I didn't want to come here and be, you know, blatant with it.
This is a subtle. Yeah, I didn't notice it. It's sort of like a watermark sort of situation that you have right now. Then you get up close, and you're like, whoa, he really is an Eagles fan. He's got a lot.
Yes. He's got a lot of Eagles stuff on him. I'm wearing a jersey to the Super Bowl with the Jerome Brown patch. That's what you're going to do? Yes.
I got the Randall Cunningham jersey, but my jersey has Jerome Brown patch. What will it say on the back? Will it say heart? Will it say your name? No, it's going to say Cunningham.
It's a real jersey.
Okay. I can't make it say heart. I'm no longer authentic if I make it say heart. It's got to be a real jersey. This is a real moment.
Understand. It's a big moment for me, man. It's a big game. What do you think? What do you mean?
Well, I think the score's going to be 83 to 6. I called it. I put my prediction out there a long time ago.
Okay. I had a dream. I saw it. And how many to the touchdowns then for Nick Foles then out of that? Nick Foles are going to throw for 32 touchdowns.
32. Trying to do the math in my head right now. 32 touchdowns. Yeah, that is where we just put your 83 to 6. I didn't want to show if my math was good or bad, so I just threw a number out there.
I think I made the ball apart. Here's what people need to understand about the Patriots right now. And I know there's a lot of New England Patriots fans. There's a lot of Tom Brady lovers out there, as you should.
Okay? They're not. Running over the NFL. They didn't breeze through these playoffs. They shouldn't have beaten the Jaguars.
They shouldn't have. They did, but they shouldn't have. It's not like they have displayed this, oh my God, they're just, nobody's gonna be able to deal with them. Our defense has been an amazing defense throughout the whole season. I really see our defense and our front four getting to Brady.
If we get to Brady, it's going to be a problem, and we run the ball very well. It's going to be a grinding game. And Foles is going into this game with so much confidence. After the last game, he's got so much confidence. I don't care what you say, you can't beat confidence.
You know how much confidence I have? You can't beat my confidence. I don't care what you tell me. I'm so confident. I'm so confident.
Foals has confidence. Our defense has confidence. We are here. This is where we said we would be at the beginning of the season, and we got here. That's confidence.
They're used to being here. That's cocky. That's this little nonchalant shoulder shrug. Yeah, we'll do it again. It's not the same type of confidence.
It's not the same type of hunger. It's a different level of hunger. And these dogs gotta eat. Get it? Because they was calling us underdogs.
Yes, I know. It's funny watching back that clip of Kevin Hart. That is from the Super Bowl in Minneapolis. Correct. Seven years ago.
Wow. The fact that the Eagles Won it, not 83 to 6. That would have been a unique score. But then come back seven years later. With almost an entirely different team, different quarterback, different star players, only what, four or five guys that were on both those teams, and do it again.
That is. It's not more impressive than building a dynasty, you know, the chiefs that win back-to-back titles, that win over a long period of time. But it is more rare. It is more rare to build it once. Get there.
and then build it back. to an even better team. The Eagles team we saw dominate the Chiefs in the Super Bowl in New Orleans back in February. That was a far better team than what we saw back in 2018. Welcome back to the Rich Eyes and Show.
Tom Pell Lacero in today for Rich. I just got back from. A 12-team, no, excuse me, 13-team, 12-day training camp tour. Nice. Which is always fun every time.
By the way, I'll mention this briefly. Did not mail back any time. This isn't going to be my next final topic last year. I decided you watched them in the single topic last year. We had a new sponsor for our polos this year, which is Tommy Bahama.
Oh, wow. I was issued five polos. You said that ain't enough.
So I'm going to run out. Oh, yeah. And so I'm like, well, I either can just ask them to send me like seven more. Or I can suck it up and go to a laundromat.
So twice on that trip. including in Miami, just went to the laundromat, got my porters, got corrected 15 times on how laundromats work since I hadn't used one since college, and just sat there and did my laundry. I gotta say. It was pretty refreshing. Yeah.
A little therapy. It was an enjoyable experience. You're just watching the thing go around, the clocks ticking down, hanging out, doing some work. Probably saw some Thangs in Miami walking around. I was the only person in there.
On time of the day, the laundromat at 1 p.m. is not the time to see Thangs in Miami. They're not up yet. That's how we find it. That's how you find it.
Thangs are at the beach. It was nice. It was nice experience. Why didn't you just ask for the seven extra? The Tommy Bahama, you're on television, bro.
They should have supplied it. I just felt like, you know what? I'm going to try this. And it was substantially easier to pack five polos and two pairs of shorts as opposed to the massive amount every pair of underwear I own in one suitcase. This was much better.
Wait, wait, you just finally give up and start doing your stuff in the sink. It's going to be a game. I'm trying to do that with like the little pods. It ends up, it takes all the color out. I don't, I don't, anyway.
I thought you were going to say, uh, wait till you give up and just stop wearing underwear. Oh, no, come on. There's not enough time to dry anything. You guys are idiots. Although, when the dryer didn't fully finish things off, I did lay everything out on there.
It is humid in South Florida. One of the most interesting stops on that trip, and it was hot in South Florida. Jacksonville, by the way, best setup for Inside Training Camp Live because we were in the air-conditioned indoor, but with the garage door up to look at the outdoor was sensational. And just watching Travis Hunter. Go back and forth between different positions and different jerseys and prices.
I've never seen anything like it. I covered the interval for over 20 years. Talking with Liam Cohen and James Gladstone about it, they're like, there's a ton of logistics that went into it because you had to figure out not just like where is this guy going to be for meetings, who is he talking to on the sideline, but literally. How do we have him in both jerseys? Because the offense is wearing the dark jerseys, the defense is wearing the light jerseys on a given day.
It was early in camp, they were experimenting with taking off his entire shoulder pads and just giving him new. Because it's easier. Because it has the jersey attached. Then the day I was there, because literally within a drill, they were doing like a live red zone drill. He starts out on defense.
Then it's like, hey, Travis, come over here. And he runs off. They throw a pinny over him like he used to wear in youth sports. He runs back out with the offense. That's ever happened.
So they're going through this process. But The way that they were playing on both sides of the ball, which was that was only the second practice they'd done it the day I was there, you saw in the game them getting the ball to him early. It is absolutely going to be one of the most unique storylines we've ever seen in the NFL just because they are attempting something. that has never been done before. And we'll see when we get into the regular season games.
How realistic is it? I don't think that you're going to see. I don't know this for sure. I don't think you're going to see Travis Hunter play in 140 snaps, 120 snaps. I do think.
One of the unique things they can create with Travis Hunter here is. Questions in the game planning process for the opponent. It's one thing if, all right, New England back in the day, right? Every week they come out with a different defense. They might be playing an underfront one week, next week they're playing an overfront.
They might be playing a 4-3 the whole season, then they come out and they play a 3-4 in the Super Bowl. With Travis Hunter, Who is Arguably the most important player on both sides of the ball, you could play them all offense one week and all defense the next week. And if an opponent gears their entire game plan over, hey, we're going to take away Travis Hunter on offense, but then you just go, we're going to have Travis lock down their opponent's receiver and not play a lot of offense, that just introduces something completely different. I know in Travis Hunter's mind, he thinks he can go 140 snaps a game. I would anticipate they will ease him in.
But some of that, in terms of the snap count, I don't know that it's going to be. Even from week to week. Back in the spring, they were doing like 80% offense with them.
Now it's 50-50.
So we could go back and forth. And for the Jaguars coaches, it's a cool piece, but it's also a unique challenge for them going, okay. Is it so important to do this on one side of the ball that we're willing to do less? on the other side. And if you're drafting Travis Hunter in fantasy football, you also have some concerns about this.
One week you happen to be going up against the Bengals and you go. Yeah, do they play the Bengals? Let me look here. Let me find a real world. Yeah, week two at Cincinnati.
Do you want Travis Hunter locking down? Jamar chase for 70 snaps? Yes. If you do. You probably don't have Travis Hunter attacking that young bagel secondary.
for 70 snaps. It's. You're trying to get in here, Brock, but I can see it on your face. Thinking. I'm.
Worried this isn't going to work as cool as we think it's going to be, or as cool as Rich wants it to do. Because of injury, because of it, just seems way too much. This is the NFL. It's not high school. It's not where basically all great players play both ways.
It's not college where we saw him win the Heisman Trophy. This is the NFL. Everything is so much more complex than, let's say, the Big 12. Deion didn't in 95. Not every snap, but he was the number three receiver on that team.
He had, I mean, look it up. He had like 50 catches and a bunch of touchdowns. I'm worried. You're worried that he's going to get hurt. You're worried that it's going to just do everything and he's going to be able to do nothing?
I'm worried that it's going to flop. No, you're not. You're just saying that on high value. I am. I am.
All right, hold that thought. We got Overaction Monday coming up right after this. I have a feeling. I'm going to make it back to that. It's next on the Rich Eisen Show.
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Yeah, because I'm getting more screen time. That's good. But mostly it's just me and Tom remembering. I think we all feel like there was a scene missing here. You got me, Tom.
Let's revisit it. Let's look at it. See what we remember. See what we remember. I had never been around anything like that before.
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