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And now, it's Rich Eisen. Alright, car number two of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air and what we're doing on this second Tuesday of June 2025, what we're doing on the first day of mandatory minicamp for many teams in the National Football League is we are hunting and pecking. We are searching. We are looking. We're turning over every rock for an NFL headline that will actually mean something when it's time to play football. That's what we're doing. Yeah, good luck.
We are hunting and pecking. What's more likely? We got one over the weekend when Aaron Rodgers officially signed with the Pittsburgh Stones. We don't have an answer as to how he will play. We don't know how he will mesh.
We don't know how it will work in the wins and losses column, but we know that headline will eventually lead to wins and losses at some point. We know that. We know this.
That's how the game works. For a fact, because he's there. He's in camp. He's under contract. He's coming.
He's going to speak to the media after practice today in which T.J. Watt is not or for which T.J. Watt is not present. Now, I said at the beginning of this show, that's not a storyline that's going to mean anything because he's going to he's going to sign. They will get him done. They are not putting all their eggs in this basket where a quarterback shows up at age 41 that he will not be available for game one in Rodgers old house. It's just not happening. They will get it done. And I will say this.
We were always hunting and pecking for the storyline. That means something for wins and losses at the end of the at the end of the season. You know, while we're beginning of the season when it all hits, we're looking for it. And we're saying, oh, Trey Hendrickson's not in Cincinnati. Oh, Terry McLaurin's not in Washington, for instance, two guys. And you know, Micah Parsons not showing up right now in Dallas. Jalen Ramsey is going to be hitting the road. Right. We're looking for it. What will this mean?
What will happen when all push does come to shove on that front? So you want to take it one at a time to see if what means anything? Yeah, let's do it. Okay. Which one we want to do first here? Mike Hoskins.
Give me give me give me the name. All right. Terry McLaurin first up. Terry McLaurin has one year left on a three or sixty eight point three million dollar deal at fifteen and a half million dollars. Okay. By the way, the three year sixty eight point three million dollar deal that he is on the last year of. And I'm dangling a participle. I understand that. Heaven forbid he had to hold out of OTAs and mandatory minicamp for that one.
So this is this is part of the similar playbook. He turns 30 on September 15th. And I will remember that birthday because it also is birthday of my mom. She's also in the last year of her fifteen million. No, no, no. But she is an annually franchise tag player for that in my life. Okay. So always mandatory appearances for me. Anyway, long story short, he's not there. Dan Quinn.
Roll tape. Sometimes football and business, they they intersect. And this is one of those times Terry is a fantastic teammate and really puts in the work and spent a lot of time with them already this offseason.
So let's you know, the business side of things, you know, Adam and their crew and Terry and his group, they'll let them work through that. I'm just the coach here. I'm just the caveman. I'm just, you know, the unfrozen caveman. If this goes further, unfrozen caveman coach will revert to the coaching cliche at training camp. This goes any further than his training camp. He'll going to give you the I'm only talking about the guys who are here.
That's a funny bit. We should probably do well. Unfrozen caveman coach. Unfrozen caveman coach. I'm just the coach. I'm just the coach here.
I'm just as unfrozen and I've, you know, Terry McLaurin will be signed and he will be playing for the Washington Command. Oh, you think so? I do. Yeah.
Okay. They didn't make all of these maneuvers. A lot of teams that could use Terry McLaurin. He is going nowhere.
He is certainly not winding up in New England. Caps based picks available. All good. Not happening. N O. He is Jayden Daniels, BFF and a great guy in the locker room and he turns 30. Again, you'll notice something similar here to the, uh, to the conversations.
Okay. The only question is how late will it go? Now if it's, if it goes deep into training camp, like if we're, if we're talking last week at training camp, he hasn't signed yet. Now you're dealing with the whole Jamar Chase stuff like week one. Is he dealing with this? Is he dealing with that? How ready is he going to be for the season? That's when the wins and losses stuff matters right now. Not concerned.
Zero concern. There's Trey Hendrickson as well. He turns 31.
You noticing this theme? Somebody's turning 30. Someone's turning 31. TJ Watts turning 31. This is the last swing at the money tree for a lot of these guys.
This is the last swing at the money tree. Now Trey Hendrickson, he, he's not at mandatory minicamp. That's no surprise. I do not know how this one's playing out. Cause it's the Bengals, man.
I do not know. They got one year left on his contract with him. He's got, I looked it up, a gajillion sacks since he's been a Bengal in 2021. He is defensive player of the year material in the same way that Watt is for the Steelers and Miles Garrett is for Cleveland. The Bengals can ill afford to lose this guy unless they want to try and win every game 50 to 49 again, right? Gotta have him. He's making 16 million in this last year.
TJ Watt, who's not showing up. He's making 5 million more. I totally get what he is doing.
Same. I do not know when he's turning. This one, you can never tell because it's the Bengals.
I know I'm repeating myself, but it is the fact. You just don't know how Mike Brown's waking up today to say, you know what, screw it. He's under contract.
Does he want to sit at home? Let's test him. And hey, Zach Taylor, it's on you to make sure that that doesn't upset the locker room or Joe Burrow. Burrow wants him.
Hey, this just in. Mike Brown rests the front office. Burrow wants him. Burrow sat there.
Was it on the part of my take pod, right? During the Super Bowl? Basically said, Eagles sign everybody. Why can't we? They figure it out. They figure it out.
Why can't we? Figure it out. That one, I can't tell. The Jalen Ramsey one, we know he's not showing up. Why would he show up when it's already been said that they're parting ways?
There's no way. He is 30 years old. He turns 31 on October 24th.
Again, you're picking up what I'm putting down here. The clock's ticking. The Mona Lisa Vito clock is ticking for these guys.
They get one last bite at the apple. So he's not at mandatory minicamp for the Dolphins. He's not going to show up, period. He's never walking through that door again, I would think. Although Jimmy Garoppolo's last season with the Niners proves to you, you can't say that with any certainty anymore. I mean, they damn near took his playbook and wound up at the end of training camp signing because they figured with Trey Lance there, we can't afford to go with Brock Purdy, who's now making 50 some odd million dollars a year in terms of never know, right? So let's turn to Mike McDaniel to give us some insight on what's going on with Ramsey and his thoughts on why it hasn't reached a resolution yet.
If Ramsey was given the code red, why hasn't he been touched yet? Essentially is the sort of analogy here. Not exactly. Personally, and I would lump you into this with me. I don't give a shit about what I feel.
I'm not, I don't even really go down that road of how do I feel about it? My job is to react and control my controllables and make sure that people are moving in one direction appropriately. And so the business is business. The opportunity that business does provide in the off season is a rep to the team about handling noise. What do I define noise as? Noise is things that don't have to do with what actually you're there to do and you should be focused on doing because you'll be held accountable to do. So business and off seasons allows you to speak to your team about how the focus of noise is a constant battle that if you're successful, you have to win.
And it's about not really caring about all things other than what we're here to do today, which is mandatory minicamp practice one. Are there excuses after this today? There's the Jalen Ramsey's absence is excused. Yes. Interesting way to finish that. It is excused because they've agreed. He's not going to be there anymore.
Two things. One, I thought I gave McDaniel three coaching cliches here. I mean, I thought he was gonna know that these are the times to just give them, but thank you for the soundbite my friend. And I love the, I thought he was going to say these moments allow us to give reps in minicamp to other guys because the other guy isn't there. But I guess this is a way of saying the guy's not going to be here.
We know he's not going to be here. So how am I feeling about the fact that it hasn't been resolved yet? I don't give an S about it about how I feel and the reps that we're taking from this aren't for somebody else because that somebody else is going to get them in the season because he's not going to be here. But the reps are for us to block out the noise. Cause this is, this means nothing. This means nothing. And the reason why it hasn't been resolved yet.
How many times am I going to say this? It's June 10th. There are no deadlines right now. There's no deadline right now. There's no deadline. The deadline is whenever the hell everybody thinks midnight is. And it's never really lockstep between player and organization as to when midnight really strikes. Everybody has a different sense of midnight. I'm telling you for Jalen Ramsey, I'm sure he's calling up his rep and saying it is well past midnight.
Okay. Like I know I'm not going to be there. They know they don't want me there. They basically told us as much.
When the hell does it strike midnight? And for the dolphins, it's like, we don't know if somebody is going to have a corner that goes down in the middle of training camp and suddenly they're that much more desperate. And instead of picking in the fifth round, because of you, we're going to pick in the third round because of you. And we're going to wait until that happens. And you're going to chill ATC at the crib until that point thus his absence is excused.
Have I, have I explained it all? I don't know when midnight is for Hendrickson. I don't know what it is for Watt. I don't know when it is for Ramsey in terms of when the organizations feel it. I'm sure for the players, it is well past midnight. They are like, they are ready. They're ready to put this thing to bed, but not the teams. That's the way it goes in the NFL. And T.J. Watt's going to get, going to get paid. McLaurin's going to get paid even though it's after midnight for him right now. I'm sure Hendrickson.
I don't know. And I don't know where Ramsey's going to wind up. We know Ramsey's getting moved. The other three guys, if one of them does get moved, who's most likely Hendrickson.
I doubt it though. Sorry. I know you want all of them on your team. It would be great.
I got it. That would be really ideal for Michael Parsons. I do not know when the Jerry Jones midnight is. At least he said he's going to show up. He did. Reports are he's there. I know that, but he's just, he's holding in.
But in terms of getting paid, that contract. You know how your boy does. It's always just midnight at his oasis. We just don't know where the oasis is or when midnight is. 844-204-RICH number to dial.
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Learn more at NavyFederal.org. What was that memorial like? I think you're trying to make me cry on your show. No, I'm not trying to do that.
I'm just messing with you. I was crying, I know I was, for days quite frankly. It was hard.
What was that day like for you? It was amazing, you know, and it was surreal. I mean, there was so much going on.
I saw people coming in from different countries, didn't even have a seat in the arena just to stand outside of it. And it just was like, wow, you know, how many people have been touched by my father? I mean, there's so much, there's nothing I can say that hasn't already been said, but even for me, that was just like a wow factor. My children, for the first time, really came to understand how famous their grandfather actually was.
No kidding. Yeah, because I remember the moment, you know, like, I shouldn't say I remember the moment, but I remember that I, you know, you know he's famous, but then when you really find out like, wow, all of these people came here for him. So, but I mean, there was just so much going on, but you know, we have had to grieve, you know, after all of that kind of settled down as a family. But, you know, we feel like the whole world was grieving with us.
So, and my dad will be missed, of course. Do you remember that time for you when you first realized, oh my gosh, my dad is world renowned and famous? Yeah, well, when I was old enough to start watching documentaries, when he could talk and, you know, just seeing what he fought for and what he stood up for and just understanding what he put on the line, you know, and the sacrifices that he made, that's when I really started to respect him more. And it's amazing because he just was a person who tried to help everybody, did what he knew was right and stood up for what he believed in, you know, and I think that at the end of the day, you know, that's what really made the difference.
Yeah, he was a great fighter, but it's who he was outside of the ring is why people love him so much. Right. And it's so difficult to do that though. It's easy to say, you know, about who you are and what you believe in and standing up for it all the time, but you find it's very difficult to do that in daily life or certainly athletes to do that in this day. And I see a lot. I see people do it. I try to surround myself with people who do do it on a smaller level, of course, but just in your day to day life, you know, just taking it day by day and just having integrity and doing what's right. I mean, there's not going to be a lot of Muhammad Ali's.
There's not supposed to be, you know, especially just chosen to be who he was and to do what he did for the world. Back on the Rich Eisen Show radio network, along with our live stream on the Roku channel and stopping by once again here on the program, this is becoming a tradition unlike any other, uh, the co-founder and CEO of Lava Media and Lava for Good. Jason Flom is back here on the program. Good to see you.
How are you? Thank you. You're too kind. I'm so glad to be here. Love your show.
And now it's even getting bigger and better. And I don't know, I was on the show and the next thing you know, it's picked up by bigger and bigger audiences. I don't, I'm not saying there's a connection, but I kind of feel like one of the many stars that you have founded and put on the map, Jason, I kind of feel that way, right? Well, I do.
You know, one thing is I can recognize a star when I see one. I met you on the golf course and history is made, you know, and I saw you make consecutive pars on the first two holes and I was like, damn, Rich has been taking some lessons, you know, and then there was a wagon and the wheels fell completely off it. And then an hour later, I wanted to quit the game of golf for my entire life. However, you maintained an even temperament and a gentleman throughout and yeah, and we had our, I finished strong. You started strong. We would have been a great team that we would, if we weren't, you know, if you weren't taking money from me throughout the day, but good to see you, Jason Flom. Always a great conversation whenever you're here. Cause we're, we're talking about life. We talk about important matters.
We talk about pop culture. So let's, let's just jump right into it with what you're wearing right now. You're, you're decked out like you're the fight doctor, Ferdy Pacheco right now. Yes, I've got my, I've got my gear on, you know, the Ali legend, you know, will live forever. And I'm, I'm so honored to represent him on the show, I guess you could say.
My wife of course is his daughter, Kalia. And the great man was, we sit here two days ago was the ninth anniversary of his passing. I was thrilled to see that yesterday I think Lewis and Maine put up a giant statue of him. I think it's connected to the massacre that took place there. They want to, you know, show a symbol of, of courage and resilience and there's no better symbol one could think of. So I don't know, there's something, something interesting about it being in Maine, but whatever, I just think it's, you know, the more, the more people can, and it's great because his legacy lives on in so many ways and in so many, so many facets of his legacy.
And of course there's a new show coming out on Amazon, which is going to be really exciting and there's, there's always new iterations because there's just so many sides to this incredible, incredible human being. And I'm just, like I said, I'm so humbled to be, you know, a member of the family now. And so I, I wear his gear humbly and proudly. I mean, did you ever think you'd be a member of Muhammad Ali's family? I never thought I'd meet a member of his family. How about that?
Okay. And when I was invited to do so, which is now, you know, two and a half or so short years ago, it was just a random, you know, winter night in New York and I didn't have anything to do. I had actually asked my son, Michael, if he wanted to go to dinner that night and he hadn't made plans with his girlfriend. And then I got a call from a friend of mine named Christian Pascal who said, would you like to go to dinner tonight with Muhammad Ali's daughter and grandson? And I was like, do I need to crawl through broken glass? Cause yes.
You know what I mean? And so of course I did. Then I called my son back and I said, Mike, just so you know what you're missing out on. I'm going to dinner at El Molino tonight with Muhammad Ali's regardless of where we're going. If we were going to a subway, he would have been in, you know, for those who want to know, maybe they're a sponsor. El Molino is a good, it's a very good place to go. Yes.
Not if you're on a diet, but that's okay. But it's a wonderful place. And so so my son said what time and where, and so our first, what turned out to be our first date, although we didn't consider it a date at the time, was with Christian as our chaperone and our two sons. And you know, I didn't, honestly didn't Google Khali. I didn't know anything about her. I just knew that she was the daughter of the person who I most admire you know, of all time. And so I never had a chance to meet him, but now I feel, you know, connected to him.
And it's just, like I said, it's it's not something I take for granted in any way at any time in any minute of the day. Well, it makes sense that, you know, you would feel connected in that regard because other than the obvious, I just remember when, when, when he passed, the number of people is like, oh, here's 15 photographs I've taken with him in the four times I was so lucky to meet with him. Or I have this story. I have that story.
It seems like he'd literally shook the hands of every single human being on planet earth. It's incredible. I mean, I, you know, I have to mention that my wonderful wife calls me Maflamad Ali, which I take. Maflamad Ali.
That's the exact shirt I got to get. But anyway, Jason Maflamad Ali, I like it. I've been called J-Flo, President O'Flama. You know, I have all sorts of nicknames, but none of them, you know, none of them measure up to this.
But so, but you're absolutely right, Rich. It's incredible. You know, it seems like a large percentage of the people that you meet have a story of having shook his hand or shaken while they were shaking his hands. Somebody was telling us that the other day that they like literally had met everybody when they met him, they couldn't, you know, speak or, and he just seemed to have been everywhere all the time. But you know what I, you know, I know we have other things to talk about, but one of the things, you know, that I think, and I'm glad you mentioned his memorial because, you know, I get the chills thinking about it. You know, his memorial was held in Louisville, Kentucky, where he was born and a million, over a million, a million, a hundred thousand, they estimate people attended his memorial.
It's a city that only held about 500,000 people at that time. Like it's incredible. It's like the, the, the reverence, the appropriate reverence that people had for him. And I think, you know, he's such an important figure because I mean, the greatest boxer of all time, that's one thing, right?
But his legacy as a leader, a thought leader, a civil rights leader, and as someone who always had time to, you know, I always say everyone looked up to him, but he looked down on no one, right? He was always that guy who, if he saw people being evicted from their home in Chicago, he went and got in the way and then moved their furniture back into the house. Right. And, and he was a guy you couldn't say no to.
Right. And so he was a guy who would go up on, on, you know, there's that famous image of him up on the balcony or on the, on the ledge when that man was going to jump off the ledge and he was alerted to it. And he was, you know, they had sent a priest and a this and a that, and everyone to try to get this guy not to jump. He was a, I think it was a veteran who was in a mental crisis. And he went up there and said, you're my brother.
I love you. You know, and then not only did he talk him off the ledge and, and put himself in harm's way in so doing, but also then drove him to a hospital, kept in touch, you know, like that's a guy that I think we can all aspire to be. And I hope that people will always remember that aspect of his life, because for me, I, you know, it's funny, we have a TV show out now.
I have to plug this, right? You know, I, I hate bullying. I've always hated bullying. Like as a kid, of course I was bullied. My brother was bullied.
No, everyone's had some experience or other having been bullied in their life. And I had a visceral reaction to it more so when my brother was, was, and I wasn't able to defend him. But so we created a little children's character called Lulu and we wrote, my daughter and I wrote a book called Lulu is a rhinoceros. And I'm so excited because the TV show of the book based on the book came out on Apple TV plus, which you can see here on Roku. So Friday the show came out, it's high up on the charts. Now the reviews have been wonderful.
We're so excited. Alison and I, that the the reaction has been not only one of people, you know, talking, you know, saying good things about the show itself, but also from parents whose kids are finding a little hero that they need because they feel that certain kind of way where they've been left out, put down, bullied, because the way they look, the way they feel, the way they are, we want to, we wanted to create a little hero for somebody, for that little Jason who, you know, one day I, I literally left school, if you can imagine, right? My wife thinks this is a hilarious story.
I don't know. I didn't think it was that funny, but when I was in like fifth grade, I was bullied. I think my, my favorite genes had gotten too short for me.
Right. And so the kids were all laughing and my ankles were sticking out or whatever. And, and I just had had it, you know, as I left, I just, there was this, there was an exit in the basement. There was a door. I just snuck out the door and off I went and they know the school's on like high alert, like where this, where this kid go, they ended up putting a sign on the door that said no exit for students.
It's like the flam sign. So, you know, I, I, you can imagine it caused a little bit of an uproar, but, but so I wanted to create a show for that kid who could think about, you know, we have a song called start the day again in the show, which is such a wonderful, you know, sort of affirmation for kids who are in that state where they can, they can, you know, they can realize that there's always a chance to start again and you don't have to give up and you shouldn't give up. And, you know, Lulu is, there's a sports connection too, Rich. And I always wanted to bring it back to sports because so many of you know, your, your audience loves sports. I love sports. You love sports. Yes. And I love those sports stories too about, you know, the Mookie Betts of the world, right?
We're here in LA, right? Like I didn't know until recently that Mookie, when he was a little kid, couldn't, he was five. He wanted to play baseball. Nobody would take him.
He's too small. So his mom started a team. Didn't tell him, just started. Did you know this? I did not. Did you know this about Mookie Betts? Yeah. She started a team and she didn't tell him.
And he was on that team. And you know him, I mean, I love those figures, the Muggsy Bogues is right there where it's like, you can't play kid, get out of here. You're too freaking small. You're too, this you're too, I was too slow.
You know, that's why I ended up playing guitar and growing my hair, but you know, I wanted to play team sports and had I known, you know, had I had a little hero to encourage me, maybe I would have just worked harder and, and, and, you know, found a way to run faster, whatever. But anyway, so we, the show is Lulu is Rhinoceros. It's on Apple TV Plus now. I hope you love it. I'm really, really proud of it. And yeah. And so that's, that's what's happening now. Jason Flom, the co-founder and CEO of Lava Media and Lava for Good here on the Rich Eisen show.
Let's get into the more serious stuff even than bullying, believe it or not. Which is again, your, your podcasts and the cause that you put out in front of, of you as you also entertain us with the people that you, you put in our Ear Gate and the music you put out there as well. Bone Valley Podcast season two hosted by Pulitzer Prize winner Gilbert King.
And you take a look at the system of incarceration in this country, right? And you also have another podcast about, about wrongfully convicted individuals. That's something that you put out there and I'd love to give you the floor on it for a few minutes, Jason.
Go for it. Yeah. I mean, I have found that podcasting is an incredible platform for getting into people's hearts and minds. You know, this long form stories and storytelling. You're the king of the mic.
I mean, you know how it works. Like somehow when people are listening and if they're watching, you know, More Power to them. But if they're listening, oftentimes they're not multitasking, right? They're because they're doing something mindless like driving or, you know, taking a walk or traveling or something like that.
Yeah. They're sitting on an airplane. So so, you know, I started the Wrongful Conviction Podcast in 2016 because I wanted to share the stories of these incredible human beings who have been through hell for no fault of their own, right? They were accused, tried and convicted of a crime that had nothing to do with and sentenced to life or death in these horrible prisons that we have in this country, right?
And our prisons are really some medieval type of places, most of them. And they come the ones who have made it out, come out carrying buckets of water for the people they left behind. And so I wanted to share those stories of these incredible human beings whose spirits are undaunted, who are relentlessly optimistic and kind. And they were in prison for 20, 30, 40 years. And many of them still are right. We share the stories of people who still are.
And that leads us into Bone Valley. So Wrongful Conviction is the podcast that's the one that's sort of the anchor of our whole network, right? And we're now up to, I don't know, 70 million downloads or something like that. And and it's helped to free around 30 people, according to, you know, of course, it's always takes a team. It takes a village, right?
It's not like our podcast opens the gates. But when you shine a light on these cases that are otherwise unknown, then oftentimes things start to move. And Bone Valley is a perfect example of that, because Bone Valley season one told the story of a guy named Leo Scofield. And it was hosted by Gilbert King.
Many people know Gilbert King. He won the Pulitzer Prize for his book, Devil in the Grove. And Gilbert exposed the story of Leo Scofield, who was convicted. He was 21 years old when his wife was murdered. Michelle was murdered.
She was 18. And he had nothing to do with it. He was a kid who was trying to be a rock star at the time in Lakeland in Florida. But the cops ignored in this particular case, who should have seemed like the obvious suspect. And Jeremy was left free, who went on to commit other horrible crimes, eventually was convicted of one of those other murders. And on our show, he confessed in details that only the killer could know through the murder of Michelle. His DNA was at the scene where she was murdered, by the way.
And somehow or other, the state managed to, you know, try to explain this away. There was no evidence connecting Leo to it, but he took the fall and he served 36 years in prison. Our podcast helped to free him. The parole board actually cited the attention that the podcast had generated when they freed him. But he's still not free because he's on parole. Leo, meanwhile, I mean, Jeremy, meanwhile, is in prison for this other murder confessing. And on season two, what I think is really exciting is that Jeremy's son, who has never spoken to his father, he was born after his father went to prison and has never visited him and never spoken to him, heard his voice for the first time on Bone Valley, season one, and decided he wanted to connect with his dad, but only if his dad would come clean about all the horrible things he's done. And it's a really interesting dynamic because his son, who's a very, by all accounts, a good guy, he talks about how he owes his life to Leo's wrongful conviction because if the authorities had arrested his dad, who was the actual culprit at the time that it seemed like they could have and probably should have, he never would have been born because his dad wouldn't have been free to be with his mom and create him. So it's a very- Damn, Jason. Yeah, it's deep, right? Wow.
Yeah. And there's a moment in season two, Rich, where his son, sorry, where Jeremy calls from the maximum security prison where he'll be for the rest of his life and he calls Gilbert and Gilbert is actually with Leo at the time. And Gilbert says to Leo, do you want to talk to him? And Leo says, yes.
And you hear on this show, Leo forgiving Jeremy for not only murdering his wife, but putting him in prison for 36 years. Goodness gracious. Yeah, nothing heavy about it. And now people are listening and they're like, I got it. I need a drink. No, I mean, this is, this is real life stuff.
Yeah, it's heavy stuff. Available wherever you get your podcasts, Wrongful Conviction, Bone Valley Podcast, season two, Absolute Taser Incorporated Podcast as well, where you're exposé about the use of the taser in obviously incarcerating people in some way, shape or form. So there's- Yeah, if we can talk about Taser just for one minute, Rich, I don't want to go over time, but Taser, I'm so excited, just hit the charts today, actually, as we're sitting here.
And, you know, Absolute is a series, it's sort of like, if you like Minority Report or Black Mirror, then this is a series for you. But it really talks about how Taser has become sort of a ubiquitous thing. And it was created as an alternative to guns, right? That in theory it was a non-lethal, you know, more whatever you want to call it, benign alternative that hopefully would be utilized to save lives in situations where otherwise a gun might be the option. What has happened is that while it has literally exploded in usage and call it popularity, whatever, and it's become this, like I said, ubiquitous product, and even the subject of punchlines sometimes and other, you know, memes or whatever.
But what we learned in Absolute is that there's nothing funny about it, right? It is something that has contributed to people's, not just grievous injuries, but many, many people being killed by Tasers. And, you know, what's happened is that they were marketed as this non-lethal alternative and the people that are tasked with using them, I think, believe because they were told that they could use this thing in a way that would be safe. But one of the central figures in our story is a cop named Matt Masters who was, you know, a hard-charging guy, all-American type of guy, you know. And his son, who I think was 17 at the time, got tased. And because he was tased, he went into a coma. And then he was told to get out of the car.
He hadn't actually done anything wrong. But, you know, that's a separate story. But his son, who was a star athlete and, you know, was on his way to probably becoming, you know, having a really, you know, interesting and exciting life, was incapacitated. And ultimately, when he then didn't respond to the orders he was given because he was completely incapacitated because he was sitting in the driver's seat parked and had been tased and was now, you know, in a state that unfortunately he never fully recovered from. He almost died.
Then he was pulled from the car and dropped on his head. The officer, and this is not an indictment of police or anything else. This is just an expose.
Again, if you like Minority Report, if you like Black Mirror, this is for you. Because what's now happened is the Taser, which is owned by a company called Axon, whose stock is at an all-time high, Tasers have become this wildly, you know, successful product, I guess you could say, in spite of the fact that they have, you know, they have been used in ways I think were faithful to what they were told that people that they were marketing to be used for, but have had devastating consequences on families like the Masters family. And now, of course, it has led, and I'll finish with this, it has led to this company expanding into surveillance that is now, while most of us will never get tased, and I'm sure most of the listeners are never going to be tased, and I hope no one ever gets tased again, but what we are all going to be impacted by is the fact that we're there now, this has expanded into AI and this drone stuff, and we're all going to be, you know, going to be, we're all going to be subjected to the surveillance, the surveillance that I think most of your audience probably is opposed to. I know I am.
I don't want to be, I don't want to live in a state where we're constantly under the government looking at everything we do with drones and AI and facial recognition and all this other stuff. So that's a long way of saying this show is a really interesting investigative piece, and I think it's compelling because its storytelling is great. It's a guy named Nick Berardini, whose original piece was called Killing Them Safely. That was his original investigative journalism piece that this is based on.
So Absolute is the show, Absolute Taser Incorporated. Check it out. I hope you'll get something out of it, and I hope we can all get to a place where we can live in a safer and freer society. Wherever you get your podcasts. Before I let you go, just a apropos of absolutely none of what we've just talked about, the person you're most proud of discovering that we would know about, that we've listened to or have enjoyed, that you're out of everybody in your vast career. Again, getting yourself to being the co-founder and CEO of Lava Media, Lava for Good. What would that be, Jason? Wow, that's a hard one. I mean, you know, it would be you, but unfortunately I can't take credit for that.
No, no, no. We met deep into my career. Somebody that you found out, you listened to, they gave you a tape or they said you got to listen to this or you discovered it, you walked into a club, anything like that.
You know, it's funny. I think Matchbox 20 has a special place in my heart. I think, you know, their, their music has really had a great impact commercially, but also, you know, they may not be critical darlings, but I think there's something really beautiful about those songs. I think they're going to endure for a long, long time. And if I'm allowed a second one, I think Tori Amos is one that I'm really proud. Many people in your audience are too young to remember maybe, but she is going back to Little Earthquakes and that whole, I think she just really, she has such a, such a powerful influence on so many people and so many other artists who I love now than, you know, so yeah, Tori and Matchbox 20 with all respect to all the other ones I just covered, if you're listening. Good podcast, Bone Valley podcast, Wrongful Conviction podcast, and obviously all the music you're putting out there.
Lulu is a rhinoceros available on Apple TV Plus right now. Ladies and gentlemen, President O'Flama, what, Maflamad Ali, I'll call you the Flominator. There you go. I'll take it. Jason Flom right here on the Rich Eisen Show. Rich, you're the man.
Thank you. So I give you, these are my three favorite coaching cliches. I'd love to see a press conference where you nail all three of them within one press conference. If I give them to you and see if you can pull it off.
What do you think? We double down. And what if I can pull it off in my next press conference in Indianapolis?
This is exactly what we're talking about. Yes, sir. Ready for them? Here you go.
This one, this is number one. I don't have a crystal ball, guys. Okay.
Like that's what you said. I don't have a crystal ball. It's easy. It's whenever somebody asks you to predict the future. Like for instance, how aggressive are you going to be in free agency? Then you say what?
Well, I mean, if I had, I don't have a crystal ball, but as aggressive as what's best for the organization. Very good. That's a good one. Very good. Okay. Here's another one. It's as simple.
You're going to nail this. It is what it is. It is what it is, guys. It is what it is, ladies. It is what it is, folks.
You know, like whatever you want to just throw it out there. It is what it is. That's a, that's another one. And then the third one is I'm only talking about the guys that are here. That's it.
I'm only talking about the guys here. Well, I'm just going to, I'm going to triple down and say, what if I can do that all in the same statement in my indie press conference? Yes.
Mike McDaniel. Instant legend. Yes. My only request is when I do it. Yes.
Mid press conference. Yes. Can we, I want to, I want to spread it to the stage.
High five. Let's not forget. It is what it is.
You know, I honestly, me personally, I don't have a crystal ball, you know, but we're really the only guys I can talk about are the players that are here today. Excuse me. Pardon me. Oh, Hey, didn't see ya. Boom.
Triple play. Ah, yes. All of our moments with Mike McDaniel, whether they were at the uh, combine podium or obviously when he, uh, zooms in or connects with this show available on our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash rich eyes and show closing in on 940,000 subscribers and followers there on the program. 8 4 4 2 0 4.
Rich is the number to dial here on the show. Good over there. We're about to hit that little Wayne soon, man. What's that?
A Millie, a Millie, a Millie, a million. That's coming. Okay. I'm up to speed now.
I didn't know either. A Millie can hear you and Jeff T were in the same hat. Yeah. You, do you, huh? It's a good team. I'll tell you this.
You want to give it up? Your metropolitan, sir, have a four game lead in the national league East. Just a half game behind the, uh, Yankees current lead over the rays and, uh, and, uh, blue jays in the American league East. Feels good, dude. They have been killing it.
Let me tell you something. I've noticed the Soto talks been quiet from the peanut gallery out there. Pete Alonzo.
Yes, he's still done Jack toast. Pete Alonzo with a side of toast, uncle side of Jack, uncle Steve should take Pete's constant contract, rip it up, Chris, and then reward him. He was sitting out there for a long time this spring. Nobody wanted Pete Alonzo.
Nobody. I know Yankees could have had a shot at him too. They got gold Schmidt instead, which is working out for them too. He's been good. It's great. John Smoltz going to call us top of the next hour. Tyler in Melbourne, Florida has been waiting for some time. How you been Tyler? Tyler, you're there.
Oh boy. Guy's been waiting for almost two hours. What are we going to do now?
Put them back. Ah, Tyler, what's going on, man? What's going on? How are you, sir? Doing good.
I had you all on mute. Okay. You got, we got two minutes left in the hour.
What do you want to talk about? Oh, I was looking to play some one loss for my Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You will be the first to do so. You'll be the first to do so.
All right. We need the Buccaneers schedule. We need the music. And it starts with the Atlanta Falcons on in week one in Atlanta. What happens yet? So I don't know if you know this, but Todd Bowles is undefeated in week one as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach. We get the Falcon off our back from last year.
That's a dog. Okay. Tyler, unfortunately we're up against the end of the hour. I kind of need a little bit more of a win-loss answer out of you at the Texans on a Monday night. Win two and oh home against the jets.
Oh, that's a win. That's a revenge game right there. Home for the Eagles were there kryptonite dub for no at the Seahawks long trips. That's going to be a lot four and one home for the Niners five and one at the lions on a Monday night, five and two at the saints. Oh, that's a doubt six and two off the by home for the Patriots. Sorry, Brockman. That's a dub at the Bengal at the Buffalo bills. Pardon me at the bills. That should be a tough game. We might be cold. That's a lot.
Okay. At the Rams, we always have a mid-season slump. That's probably going to be a lot home for the Cardinals. So home for the saints, another dub home for the Falcons on a Thursday night. We're sweeping them at the Panthers.
I think Dave canals might get his revenge on us on that one. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, Tyler in Melbourne, Florida at the dolphins. I'll be at that game that they're going to win for me and then home for the Panthers. We'll win that one. Close out. All right. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12 and five. Tyler in Melbourne.
Thank you for the call, sir. I mean, that's a 12 and five. When's the NFC or when's the NFC South for sure. Let me tell you, man, the Bucks are just obviously one of those teams that never gets the pub, never gets the, you know, they're an afterthought. They always are. They, you know, they they've won their division four years in a row, right? Baker has picked up where Brady left off, which is words that are very difficult to say, but it's a fact, right? They keep their team intact.
They keep, they keep the band back together in a way that a lot of people are don't with their teams. Their games against the Falcons are going to be fun to watch. And then, you know, they play the Eagles, they play the NFC West as well. That game, you know, bowls against the Jets. That'll be my favorite thing to watch in week three will be the media trying to get something out of Todd Bowles about wanting to beat the Jets. There will be milk and there will be toast and together we'll provide the answer. He's going to say nothing.
They'll try their best. And then he goes to Seattle. Don't forget, you know who Sam Darnold's first coach in the NFL was?
Tom Bowles. Hey. Yep. At the Lions, you know, the Bucks and the Lions have played some excellent games over the last couple of years, playoffs in regular season. They play the NFC East.
This is fun stuff, man. They are the favorites to repeat. In the South? Absolutely. Yeah, for sure. They kept the band back together. Godwin hopefully is going to come back.
Stand back. Are you going to look up what Vegas has to say? Yeah, of course.
I mean, that's, you know, that's his thing. They play the NFC West, the AFC East. Even odds for the Bucks. And then because they're a first place team, they play the Eagles and the Lions. Dude, these are fun games. 12 and five is a tall order though. That is a tall, tall, tall order.
That will definitely win the division. Fandom. That is fandom, right? That is fandom.
Sweeping the Falcons. Okay. Okay.
Okay. 844-204 Rich, for anybody else who wants to play the win-loss game, John Smoltz will be joining us. Do you think he wants to play the win-loss game for the Lions? We should definitely do that.
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