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Hey, Suzy. Have you been drinking water, Chris? Are you feeling a little bit? I'm drinking tea with honey.

I mean, I'm really trying to get this voice back. He got trash this weekend, guys. That's just basically what happened. Yeah, can I- He went to a golf tour. I just want to give a quick shout out.

So I went to the ROM. It's Kevin Rom, the actor. He's been on the show. Huge LSU Saints guy. You've seen him, Desperate Housewives.

You've seen him on Mad Men. He's been doing this golf event for a few years now for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. And I've been very fortunate the last few years for him to invite me to come down to this.

We go to Sawgrass down in Florida. And it's such a phenomenal weekend. All the celebrities who come and donate their time and all the people trying to raise money to help sick kids.

Now, last year set the record just over $2 million. It was phenomenal. And then this year, the generosity of everyone down there completely blew everyone away.

Record-breaking $3.3 million raised for St. Jude's Research Hospital. And it was just so overwhelming. And Susie, you've been to these events with Rich.

We've been to them at the Super Bowl. They're just so overwhelming, especially when you have kids of your own and you hear these people's stories. And you just want to do whatever you can to help them and help everyone there in Memphis at St. Jude's. And so I was super proud and super honored to be a part of it. And I just wanted to say thank you to them and thank you to everyone in South Florida who helped raise money. It was just a tremendous event. And I'm hurting, but I'm hurting for a great cause. And I'm happy to be back with you guys and happy to give Cage a huge hug and a kiss. Oh, there's nothing like going to those to make you come home and see your children and love them up.

And love them up and just be thankful for all the good fortune in your life because not everyone can experience that. And I'm just very proud. $3.3 million is just absolutely unbelievable.

It blew everyone away. And so I just want to say that real quick. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It goes to the 100 percent. Everything goes to all the kids and the families.

They don't pay a dime. And it's for a great cause. And I'm very thankful to be a part of it. Yeah. It's great to have you back.

The smell of alcohol wafting down the hallway as I came in was a little overwhelming. Wow. So much, so much fireball on the golf course. It's a really brilliant recipe. That's the island hole, isn't it?

Yeah. Island hole. How'd you do? I got to say, first off, on 16, I hit the greatest shot from 200 out for, you know, almost made the eagle putt. 17, the wind really picked up. I'm going to blame the weather. It was really windy. I hit a pure shot, back pin, playing like 155 and the wind just carried it to the right. Found the water, but it's totally fine. The sea was angry, my friends.

We tied for first and lost a tiebreaker. What is that? I like it when golfers blame the weather. They're like, well, the wind picked up. It's like, nah, you just shanked it. It wasn't a shank. It was pure. Come on. It was so windy.

Whatever. Anyway, 844204 is the number to call. Hi to everybody out there watching on Road to the Channel. 844204 what? 204rich. Oh, you were just like 844204, figure it out. Sue me. What are you going to do? You can't fire me. No. 844204rich is the number to call.

844204 Susie. Why can't we do that when you're here? Seriously? Can we change the numbers around? In the old days, I feel like I got my own logo, but whatever.

I mean, no biggie. Wow. I'm still here. Hi to everybody on Road to the Channel. Like, I forgot the number. Did I forget the number or was I just kind of rechanneling something? We're going to take all the calls, TJ, and I'm here tomorrow, so if they don't get on, they're going to get on. I say that like it's a threat. Before we get to a call, let's talk about Robert. I will take your calls. Don't you test me.

I will send you to your room before we pull this car over. Do we have Terzo break the news? I mean, I don't. Do we do that?

Do we have him read about the five year, two hundred sixty five million dollar contract with the Niners that Brock party signed with the no trade clause? Oh, I just did. Terzo, what do you have to say about it? Well, Susie, it's always a pleasure to be able to talk to you. A lot of coffee this morning.

A lot of coffee. Hey, I'm happy that we got the contract done. I think he got a fair deal. I don't think he's overpaid or underpaid. I think it's right about where he should be.

I'm excited for it. This off season has been a lot more productive for us than it was last year. And it sounds like we're pretty close to getting Fred Warner tied up as well, too. So that just makes me really, really happy.

And I think I think heard he's going to earn every bit of that contract this year. And I hope we hope we make a resurgence back into the playoffs. Terzo, is it too early for win loss? Like, what are we doing? Do you want to do that? Did you do it last week when I wasn't here?

Yeah. Oh, you did it already. I did it last week. OK, you did. OK, great. What did you say?

I missed it. I said eleven and six after taking a look at the... With the easy schedule? Eleven and six? Don't you have the easiest schedule in the league? We do. Oh, no faith in your team. Well, no. Six is a good record.

Sometimes I listen to those guys out in Vegas and they sit over under at ten and a half. OK, innuendo. OK, good. All right. Sneaky contenders. Well, thank you, Terzo.

I appreciate your time and love having you step by. How was the feud though? The feud was great. That's all we can say. Yeah. I know you can't tell us what the results are, but that had to be just a blast. Yeah. I think you guys had the best time.

That's a way to put it, right? You had the best time. And speaking of thanking people like Chris did, man, I think on behalf of all of us, I'd like to say the family feud people from everyone on the email chains to the people at the hotels, to everyone at Tyler Perry Studios, the producers, the hair and makeup, the PAs, the producers, like every single person. That is such a well oiled and well run machine.

I know we all had the best time and they were so professional and so easy going and welcoming. And that was truly just an incredible, incredible moment. I know we all talk about it. And we didn't know what we're talking about. We didn't know what we were walking into when you when you haven't been to a place before or you see it, you've been watching on TV. What do you expect?

What is it going to be like? The crowd, the energy, like, you know, the hundred fifty people live studio audience, crazy, blasted music and dancing the whole time. The warm up guy was incredible.

Just 100 percent, like you said, T.J., across the board for top notch gold stars all across. It was such a great time. What an experience. And I think we should keep playing it. I think it's so fun to play. It is so hard.

We played it on Friday with Colleen and Sarah when we had a women's sports now exclusively on Roku Channel takeover of the Rich Eisen Show. It is really hard because I was like, you guys are idiots. It is so dumb. When you're on a clock and it's three, two, one, get an answer out. You're like, uh, yeah. And the one thing I found too down is we talk for a living, right? We talk. We talk a lot. I'm up there and I'm like, yeah. All of a sudden my mouth feels like there's a socket. I got to get water in. I'm like, I don't know. It was just wow. When the bright lights are on, you're like, OK, what do I do with my hands?

Thank you. And then that's what I wanted you guys to understand. Everyone who wants to clown on me about, you know, this is right. It's one thing when you sit at home and do this, right? It's a whole nother thing when the lights are on and the camera's on and you're watching.

Oh yeah. And you got a little pressure. So when I sit here and go, you guys are clowning me, but I made it as far as you could go with actually winning.

Now maybe I'll get a little less pushback for that because no, it's no fine haters are going to hate, but you know, it's different man. It's not as easy. Here's the deal.

And I will say this and I will, I will back off a little bit. Double over is a little embarrassing, but you did make it to the end, which is great. It was hard. We were up there and it was difficult. The lights are bright and they're shining and you're like, OK, well there's our name and here's, here are the scores and there's the crowd and there's Steve Harvey.

Wait till you guys, this is probably going to air in a couple months over the summer. Wait till you see Steve Harvey's outfit. It was unbelievable. Never seen anything like Steve Harvey is exactly what you want him to be.

I think I can say this without getting anything away. I gave an answer to what Steve looked at me and then he walked to the front of the stage. He did the thing like a minute and a half. He did the Steve Harvey based upon something I had said. It was just like you realize you think you're smart and you're quick and you're funny. You're not that quick.

Can't do that. You're not Steve Harvey. The guy is a legend.

This guy is a legend and there's a reason why he is making a gazillion dollars doing it because he's so good at it. That said, guys, I'm going to just now move on to something more important, which is the win loss game. Moving on.

Let's do it. Glasses off. Glasses off. Moving on to a man named Dante. Dante. Dante, how are you? Thanks for joining us. I'm going to put my glasses back on because I'm not an idiot.

I can't see this thing. God. Hi, Dante. How are you guys doing? So awesome. How are you?

I'm doing great. All right. You ready to go? I like a speed round. This is my game show and I'm going to call it like I want to speed around.

Let's go. Week one at Seattle. When week two at New Orleans when week three home from Arizona when week four home for Jacksonville when week five at the Raiders. Wait, that's Rams to Rams Thursday night, whatever. And you say when.

OK, great. Week six at Tampa Bay. Lost and just looked at L.A.

Raiders week seven Atlanta when week eight at Houston when week nine at the Giants when we tend home for the Rams lost week 11 at Arizona lost week 12 home for Carolina when week 13 at Cleveland lost week 14 to buy week 15 home for Tennessee when week 16 at Indianapolis when week 17 home for Chicago when week 18 home for Seattle when we did the math. That's 14 or 15, right? Who did the math? 13 and four. Wow. 13 and four. Oh, baby. Nice.

Thirteen to four. That might be one seed NFC. You happy about Purdie? Oh, I couldn't be more excited. Even though the last time I called the show, I got eviscerated by fans and YouTube comment section friends in my own family for suggesting because I saw an article from a local beat writer saying they should trade Purdie person for a pick to go get Schnur.

But no, I cannot be more excited about Purdie. Yeah. Number one, stat of the comments. Number two, thanks again for your call. I appreciate it for that.

That is so funny. Let's let's go to Dave and Council Bluffs for Bears win loss. Dave, you ready? Yes. Hold on.

I got to find this. Hold on. Good morning. How are you? I'm doing good. Good. Thanks for taking your time. All right.

Let's go. Week one, Minnesota. When? Week two at Detroit. Loss. Week three, Dallas at home. We're going to beat them.

Yeah. Week four at Vegas. We'll win that one. Week five by week six at Washington.

That'll be a loss. Week seven, New Orleans. When? Week eight at Baltimore. When? Week nine at Cincinnati.

Yeah, Cincinnati. Loss. Week 10, Giants. When? Week 11 at Minnesota.

Yeah, we'll lose that one. Week 12 at Pitt. Home for when? Home for Pitt. Oh yeah.

How do you even know? It's like, you don't even know who's going to be the quarterback. I didn't know if you're going to win or lose. Week 13 at Philadelphia.

That's a loss. Week 14 at Green Bay. When? Week 15, home for Cleveland. When?

Week 16, Green Bay at home. When? Wow. Nine and five.

Wow. Week 17 at San Francisco. When?

Week 18, home for Detroit. Yeah. Well, we're going to beat them. 12 and five.

Duh Bears. Very confident. I like it. Why are you so confident? We stole Detroit's offensive coordinator and made him our head coach.

Yeah, you did. I think during the off season, we addressed some problems on the front line and in the offensive line. And I just think Caleb Williams' sophomore year is going to be a good year for him. Yeah. After a year where he's watching film by himself, anything is up from here, right?

I mean, what a ridiculous story that was. Thanks again for your time. I appreciate the call. Can we get another call in before break? Let's look.

Let's see. You want to go John in Texas or Mark in Foxborough? What do you want to do, guys? Mark in Foxborough. All right, Mark. Let's go. Let's go, Mark. Come on. Let's go. All right. You ready?

Shout out to the guys in the studio. How are we doing, Susan? What's up, brother? Let's do it.

Who cares about them? All right. Hold on a second.

I got to go find new women. All right. Here we go. Week one. Raiders. Pete Carroll's coming home.

What do you think? Even though Ash and Gen Z scares me, we're going to take that home opener. Let's go, baby.

Yeah, he does. Week two at Miami. Loss. Ooh. Really?

Well, strange things happen in South Florida. Danny Marino's not there anymore. He's going to give nightmares to, you know, Vrabel and the boys.

Oh, my God. Week three. Home for the Steelers. Win. Again, how do you prognosticate when you don't know who the quarterback is? It doesn't matter?

Yeah, it does. Everything. You can have Sully and Fitz come down to Pittsburgh and be their quarterback. That's right. Let's go. Get Slappy down there.

Put him in a uniform. All right. Hold on a second.

I got to find where I am. All right. Week four. Carolina. We do that yet? And we're going to win that one.

All right. Week five at Buffalo. Oh, boy. Loss. Week six at New Orleans. I think we'll steal that game. Well, I like it. Week seven at Tennessee. That's a revenge game for. You will hang 50 on them.

Let's go. That's right. You will.

That's right. You will. Week eight.

Cleveland. I think, um, I think the pass are going to steal that one as well. It's going to be tough. It could be tough. One knows who the quarterback is going to be, but I think the Patriots are going to steal that.

I hear you loud and clear. Week nine. Home for Atlanta. No question. We'll hang.

We'll hang another 30 or 40 on the Falcons. I don't, I'm not scared of panics. I'm not scared of panics. Yeah.

I'm not scared of panics. All right. Week 10 at Tampa Bay. As a Longhorn, I will always hate Baker Mayfield, but he's good. Give the bucks the win. All right. Plus it's like, it's okay. You got the Brady thing.

It's kind of hard to hate the bucks. I don't know. It's a, it's a rough one. Week 11. Ah, forget it. You're going to, you're going to beat the jets, right? Sorry, rich, but we're sweeping the jets this year. Yeah, you are.

It's ridiculous. Week 12 at Cincinnati. Oh, we're going to get curbed stomped by Cincinnati. Revenge for week one last year.

Just skip back in. All right. Week 13. Giants. I'm still bitter from 07 and 11. Uh, we're going to take the W and we're going to take them to the cleaners.

Yeah. You should be cause that sucked. Week 14 by week, week 15 Buffalo. Another loss. No, we're going to take that. We're going to take that W. All right. I like it.

Week 16 at Baltimore. We, uh, hold on. Yeah. Okay. Uh, I had to check. I got nervous.

I took my glasses off. Uh, week 17 at, oh yeah, that's a lot that you're good. That's a win, right? You're gonna sweep the jets and week 18, Miami. Uh, we are going to take Miami at home and that could be for a wildcard spot.

And I think they will have the boys up and ready to go. Pat's take a wildcard spot and go to the playoffs. All right. I like it. 11, 12 and five, 11, six, 12, and five, 11, six. I don't know.

I don't do math. Also. Um, thanks again for your call.

I really appreciate your time from Foxborough. Also. I just realized they put the, that Mike Hoskins puts the, the, uh, schedule up there. Yeah. It's much easier to follow along on the graphic. I'm sweating this thing the whole time. It's so small. That's what you've been doing. You've been looking at this thing. I'm just looking at the monitor.

Look at the monitor. Is this your first time? Do you need help? Oh my God. This is just breaking news to me. Breaking news.

My life could be easier. I'm sitting here sweating that out. I put a joke. Um, all right. We're gonna take a break. Squinting at this layer. You guys look at what I'm trying to do here. This is what I do for you people. Look, I'm trying to read this. You're doing great. We're going to get you a cheesesteak. It's all good.

I've never had a cheesesteak in my life. I don't know. Why don't you use the sheet that it's printed out with what sheet that's printed out. I've got some shiny schedule. Oh my God. We'll get you right.

We'll get you right. They're leaving you, you know, is it because I'm a woman TJ? Is that what it is? You're about to take her job.

That's right. All right, guys, we'll take a break and we'll have Vincent Goodwill on the other side of this. We're off the rails. People want Colly Wolf to replace me.

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Mike's over there. Guys, I'm still like reeling over the fact that my life could be so much easier from these win losses. See what I'm saying? I don't even know what to say.

You just look so much easier. You did it that way last year. You wrote it. I know I didn't.

I'm like, yes. I don't remember. I don't remember yesterday. That's just that's just my life.

TJ, what do you have? You have something special for me? Well, you know, going back to what we were saying earlier about how you guys apparently did such a wonderful job taking over for us on Friday. You know, apparently I left Colleen a little note here with a candle with some instructions on what to do. I saw that she read it out loud. I'm glad I didn't say anything stupid in the note. That would have been embarrassing.

Like, I love you. Listen, the thing is instructions like she doesn't know how to light the candle. Well, she didn't know. Maybe she didn't know that the candle was a part of our opening procedure.

So I was like a big part is sitting here like a candle. I left her options. And so I left her a note like, hey, good luck and everything. And then I get back today. I wasn't expecting anything. And I looked down at my desk and I see a note and I'm like, all right, cool.

And I pick it up and it says still sucks. So thanks, Colleen. Appreciate that. I love that so much.

Even more. She didn't write something like, gee, thank you for my cute candle. It's so nice. She was like, Dallas still sucks.

That is how we roll on women's sports now exclusively on Roku Channel because we are cutthroat. We are fans. I feel like smoke and stack and sinners. Somebody invited the vampires in and now we're all in trouble.

Yeah, we're all. But you know, that's what that's what I get, Chris, for being welcome. And you left Sarah nothing.

I left some candles and got Dallas still sucks. The inmates are running the asylum, TJ. I'm just saying she put the clown nose on Sarah, put the clown nose on. And I said, that's something I would never do. You must actually like love your significant other. I helped her with a couple of what's more likelies.

And then someone in the comments was like, Chris should take notes. These are much better. Everyone says everything is better, by the way. We are in trouble. You're very much in trouble. Welcome back to the Rich Eisen Show Radio Network. Vincent Goodwill stopping by. Hey, Vincent, how are you?

Hey, Susie, how are you doing? Thanks for making the time as you always do. I appreciate it. If you're building a team. I asked this of Christopher Russo in the first hour. Do you take would you take Anthony Edwards or would you take Shea Gilders Alexander if you're starting from scratch?

That is the existential question that will decide the Western Conference finals. It feels like I feel like to some degree, stylistically, everybody looks at Shea Gilders, Alexander's game and says it's not stylistically as attractive as Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards has the game that looks like Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant and guys like and Dwayne Wade. So you kind of feel like a familiarity and a kinship to it. Shea Gilders, Alexander's the MVP and is going to be announced as the MVP this week. Now, he is three years older than Anthony Edwards.

So maybe there's a maturity aspect of it there that you would take over at. But man, the way that Ant plays is kind of irresistible. I think that's the right word to say here because he puts his force on the game in ways that is very loud. And even though it's as familiar as Michael and Kobe and Vince Carter and Dwayne Wade, it's still pretty freaking effective.

And the fact that he's 23, he's back in the Western Conference finals for the second time. This is Shea Gilders, Alexander's first one. I think you can make the argument that Anthony Edwards is going to be the guy in the future while Shea Gilders, Alexander is the guy right now.

Wow. So hard because I feel like I get it. And at the same time, I feel strangely more confident with Shea Gilders. I just feel like there's that maturity level that makes me feel a little bit stronger heading down this home stretch where the games are that much bigger and with that much more at stake.

Absolutely. I think the variances in Anthony Edwards is explosiveness, right? So you feel like the highs are more higher than Shea Gilders, Alexander. But when you look at Shea Gilders, Alexander and the three games that he's played since or the four games that he's played since the Denver Nuggets went up three, one to one, excuse me, on Oklahoma City, he's averaged 32. He shot over 60 percent from the field from the shooting guard position.

That's really impressive and really difficult to do. He plays an effective game where you don't feel like the bad games will feel as bad maybe, you know. But Anthony Edwards, his ceiling is so much higher. The game stylistically looks just so much more appealing.

But I tend to agree with you on this, Susie. Just the fact that Oklahoma City has won 68 games this year. And Shea Gilders, Alexander is the best player on that team and he's driving that like that has that that has to earn some credit in this discussion. And that's to me why this seems like almost a silly conversation, but worth having regardless, because how has he not cemented the MVP?

So then as we're talking about it from that perspective. I would 100 percent want to take my team and build it around Shea Gilders, Alexander, because he's already shown in this year that he has the maturity that we haven't seen from Anthony Edwards yet. So if I'm building a team, I'd start there. Yeah, I tend to agree with you on that to some degree, but here's what I will say for Anthony Edwards. He is 23 and you have given him players that we have in the NBA public have not believed to be the most winning attribute players in Julius Randall, Karl-Anthony Towns, Rudy Gobert.

Players who have been maligned in their other stops. And Anthony Edwards has empowered those guys and poured life into them. So even though it doesn't feel the same way as far as the leadership, the fact that he's built those guys up and has found a way to do it in ways that it took. It took Kobe Bryant years to be able to connect with his teammates. It took a long time for Michael Jordan to be able to empower his teammates. He has that leadership quality in a much different way and it's not conventional. It's in that sort of very Atlanta, very, you know, smile like in the like I said before, I always say about Anthony, I was, he's a bad kid, but like the bad kid that the teacher loves.

So he never really gets in trouble because you just love them so much. Like that's what he brings and you can't fought Shay Alexander for Shay, Gilders, Alexander, for just being calm and steady and being that guy in Oklahoma city. When they started that rebuild, when they traded Russell Westbrook and Paul George, and they stripped that thing down, the one player that they get was Shay, Gilders, Alexander, and he was okay with the process.

He was okay with them building and now he's starting to reap the rewards and the fruits of that patience. And so then who do you see then moving on for the finals from this, from this side before we switch to the other side? I feel like Oklahoma city has more answers than Minnesota. And I think that these two teams are kind of evenly matched. Their strengths are similar, but I feel like maybe they have one or two more good players. And when you went 68 games and you haven't played a lot of close games and you've blown out the Denver Nuggets and some of those games, I tend to give you a little bit more credit because we don't know what Minnesota would have done if Stephen Curry had played in that series. They took care of their matchup, but Oklahoma city is a little bit more tested at this point. Maybe this is their year. Before we switched to the Eastern, you know, Oklahoma city was talked about as a Giannis soft landing spot, a possibility because they have so many draft picks and players that they could send to Milwaukee, et cetera. A lot of chatter about that. Is that still in play?

Do you think everything's still in place? Nothing's ever out of play. I would say this, if I'm Giannis down to the Kumpo, I want to stay away from the Western conference. Like it is, it is a murderous role of teams where the Minnesota Timberwolves were to succeed.

They won 49 games. Like it just doesn't look like if you're a superstar, you want by and large an easier path to get to the NBA finals. Maybe what happens with the New York Knicks will leave it open. Maybe the Miami Heat is always looking at being the soft landing spots for a star, but I don't know if they have the packages to offer. I'm looking at the Houston Rockets. If something comes up, like there's a lot more teams out West, but if I were Giannis, I'd want to stay East.

You know, I hear you. And then I've heard about the Spurs and then they could play two bigs together and he could raise that young child down in San Antonio. But then you hear about, oh, the possibility of maybe going out to the warriors.

And then it's that last push for Steph. Then you think to yourself, could he go to the Lakers? And then he'd get the, you know, bright lights, big city. I hear you staying on the East. It's a good transition to talk about the Knicks and Pacers, but I just feel like if he's going to make that move at this point in his career, I feel like it's going to be a big splash.

Yeah, I don't disagree. I think any franchise that makes a play for Giannis understands he's 30 years old. You've got at least a five, six year runway with him.

The problem in the NBA is Susie, you can't plan beyond one or two years. Like we thought the Denver Nuggets were going to be here for a long time. They're out. We thought the Boston Celtics were certainly going to be here for a long time. They're out. Those are things that Giannis Antetokounmpo and his people have to sort of weigh in if they decide they're going to leave Milwaukee, which of which situation has the longest runway in this NBA that does not have long runways.

Let's just pray he does not wind up with the Lakers. That would be information overload for all of us. Can we just send them somewhere else? It'd be too much.

It's too much, although I never ruled Jeannie Bess out of anything. So, I mean, I wouldn't be that surprised. I love how every team's like, oh, we've got a great Greek neighborhood. I'm like, guys, I'm like, how's your Nigerian food? Like, let's let's kind of branch out here a little bit.

Let's transition then to the east. But it's true. Everyone's like, well, they've got a great Greek. Guys, I don't think that's the draw for Giannis right now. I think he can think it's a little bit more worldly than that. Don't you love it? It's like that's the low hanging fruit.

All right. So let's flip over to the Knicks and the Pacers, because I could easily punt back and say Halliburton versus Brunson. But I think there's so much more to unpack with this Knicks team right now. His sacrifice that he's made in his contracts to build this team up, the way they're playing, the way that whole city is acting like it's, you know, 1999 all over again. They're partying like it. And I know it's been a long time since they've been anywhere.

But what are your thoughts in that series? You know what? I wonder, like emotionally for the New York Knicks, right?

They've wanted to get over this particular hurdle for so long. Like the Boston Celtics have been their boogeyman, right? Like, and this is the team that you were built to beat. You acquire Mikkel Bridges so you can guard Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown in a playoff series.

You acquire Karl-Anthony Towns so he can stretch the floor for Jalen Brunson against the Boston Celtics. And then you beat them no matter how it happened, no matter what you thought about Jason Tatum, tearing his Achilles in game four of that series, they were going to be up 3-1. They came back from 220 point deficits on the road. They were the better team in that series.

That being said, did you see the idiots hanging off the chandeliers in New York City? I don't know if you could come down from that and say, you know what? We're going to get back up to play the Indiana Pacers, a team we lost to last year. I think from a basketball standpoint, it's styles make fights. Like the Pacers are really, really good.

They run up and down the floor. Like we don't think of basketball conditioning in certain spaces by this point of the year, because everybody's tired and everybody plays slow down basketball, but the Pacers keep coming at you and they don't just come at you with Tyrese Halliburton. They come at you with Miles Turner. They come at you with Andrew Nembhard. They come at you with all these other players that we don't know much about because they're the Indiana Pacers and because they're playing the New York Knicks.

Reggie Miller is going to have a absolute ball covering that series of field day, covering that series and giving. I wouldn't be surprised if he was like a Pacers operative and some of those network meetings where he's getting secrets from Tom Thibodeau and running over to Rick Carlisle and telling Rick, Hey, this is what teams is planning to do today. He knows all those tunnels, real blood robbery, right?

He knows all those tunnels only too well underneath Madison Square Garden. And it's this, this is a fun one to watch because what you said is exactly right. Why does it feel like every year with Indiana, there's names you're like, wait, I never heard of that guy before. And suddenly they're lighting up the court every year.

It feels that way. You know what it is, Susie is because they never bottomed out. They never did the tank thing that everybody says, oh, you got a tank to get the number one pick. And then you start building. They start building from the middle.

They get Tyrese Halliburton in the middle of the lottery on the back end of the lottery. Miles Turner has been there for years. And we've been trying to not saying we, but the NBA world has been trying to trade Miles Turner to the Lakers or to team X for years. And they've held onto him and they've done things like building around the margins. They changed the style of play and the NBA has caught up to, and they've gotten ahead of where the league was going.

So I think this is a refreshing story in terms of team building. You get tough players who are also skilled. This is not the NBA where you got the bruisers and then you've got the pretty guys. You've got these bruisers who can also play skilled basketball. That's why they beat the Cleveland Cavaliers and beat them soundly.

So I think they are a modern day success story on team building. Tyrese Halliburton was no one's number one pick coming out of the draft. No one thought he was going to be this generation Steve Nash, which is what he looks like.

People thought he was overrated. He talks in two voices. His daddy's out here confronting players. Like there's so much texture here in this series, Susie. I'll be out West, but I wouldn't mind being at Madison Square Garden, seeing Tyrese Halliburton be the villain in New York City. Because there's no better place to watch a game. There's still no better place to watch a game than there. It is so much fun. It just, it, it, it smells like a ball game. It just looks like a ball. It just feels special watching a game in the garden. What's your favorite place to watch a game? It might be, it might be the garden.

I am partial, Susie, to being in Los Angeles because of some of the other things that come around courtside in LA. I am a man of a certain age. You know what I mean? Is that what you're saying? I like to see what doctors are actually at the game.

You'll find out what doctors are there. You get what I'm saying? You know what you're saying? You guys understand what I'm saying? You find out what the, uh, let's say the attributes you find out what the, yeah, you go, there we go. The latest trend attributes.

You find out what factory settings are no longer factory settings anymore. That's what I like seeing at LA, but basketball. Sometimes people forget to get dressed when they go to games. Sometimes people show up and I'm like, Oh, you, you forgot your pants. I mean, that's how old I am.

I'm like, Oh, that's so funny. Person walking around courtside. Just forgot to get dressed before they came to the game, but whatever. I know I'm trying to watch a game Vincent. And you're trying to like, look around at the, at the, at the sideline spectacle.

Susie, Susie, first time in my life I ever saw clear heels. Oh yeah. That staple center. Yep. Yep. Yep.

Yep. I told you this and my, my, my first job covering the NBA was with the Lakers 2000 to 2003 was my first run. And, uh, I showed up and there was a lot of, um, there was a lot in the plastic industry that I hadn't been exposed to on the East coast. So I hear you could have been my co-anchor, but that's a whole different conversation. Maybe a different show. But anyway, I digress. I digress.

I'm still thinking about Giannis thinking about the possibility of, well, we'll, I'll end up asking you, who's going to win whatever, but I'm still thinking about the possibility of Giannis and Victor lemon Yama playing together. Wouldn't that be just going, nobody's going, right? I mean, just these two, you're better off shooting from half court. That's it. Right. That's your best. You got two pterodactyls and one is not growing into his body yet. And one is a full grown man. That's like the monsters.

It's like space gem, except you don't have Michael Jordan and bugs bunny on the other side. Like there would be no scoring. I, and Giannis has said, he likes not having state taxes.

And I believe that San Antonio is in the great state of Texas. And then he likes to play power forward, but he's a natural center. And so then they switch and then it's just, maybe we're reinventing the game of basketball. I like what we're doing here.

I will tell you this also. Now you mentioned the golden state warriors, him and Steph Curry are represented by the same agent. We all know that that plays a big part in things. Steph has a couple of more years left, especially playing at this particular level. And I don't know if he's going to play beyond 38, 39, 40 years old. I don't think he's going to go into LeBron and plan to he's like 65 or anything. So if you're golden state 65, do you push all the chips to the table and say, Hey, Giannis, let's, let's see what we can do here. I would love to see what he would do with Steve Kerr.

I would love to see that. I can't stay in. Everybody's saying, Oh, the window's closing. It's like, he's not missing.

The window is not closing. Like it's the, it's my most infuriating conversation. When I hear about this, I get it. You can't play at a, you know, top level forever, but Steph Curry's doesn't look exactly like he's slowing down. Well, here's the thing. No window is closed because no other window is open.

That's the problem. Like everybody, if you tell me golden state's window is closed, you have to tell me who exactly is window is open beyond the two teams that are playing in the conference finals. Now, not grant you they're younger, more athletic.

There's more margin for error, but you're literally one move away from entering back into the championship conversation and who the hell knows what's going to happen this summer. It's going to be crazy. All right, who wins?

Who wins? I think the Indiana Pacers win this series. I'm not sure if the Knicks they've been playing players 40 minutes a night. I don't know if this is sustainable or not.

This goes against the laws of physics physics. They've been healthy. That's the crazy part. They've been healthier, but I feel like the Pacers are playing better. I feel like they have more answers. I always look in a playoff series of what ways can you win and what ways can that team stop you from winning? And I feel like the Pacers have more answers than the New York Knicks actually have ways to stop them. I could be wrong because I've been wrong about the New York Knicks twice in these playoffs, which means New York Knicks will be all in the YouTube mentions for this, for me picking and against them again. I hear you.

Who takes it off? I think this is Oklahoma City's time. I feel like when you win 68 games and you have the margin of victory, the only reason we don't believe in them is because they've never done it. But nobody amongst the final four has ever done it.

The New York Knicks last won a championship before the ABA-MBA merger of 1977. I wasn't born yet and neither were you, Suzy. No one there remembers the New York Knicks championship run.

I was one. I don't remember it at all. I'm just saying, I don't think, I think my family would boycott watching anyway from Boston. Are you kidding me? Forget about it.

It wouldn't happen. Condolences. I know.

I know. Vincent somewhere or somewhere Rich is like hurt somewhere. He just felt something like he just felt you stabbed him in the heart taking the Pacers, but that's all right.

He'll get over it. Vincent, you're the best. Thanks again for making your time. Appreciate you guys.

Thanks again. Love seeing him. He always has good fun things to talk about. I love the idea that in San Antonio, although I'm going to say right now, I would like him to go to the Warriors. You want him to go to Boston?

Oh no, no. Giannis? Yeah. I mean, we'd have to give up everything.

Everything. Tatum's not going to play next year. So that's what I'm saying. He, I totally agree. He needs to stay in the East if I'm him.

Yep. West is too stacked. And with Boston being down, Cleveland maybe being down, I think you wait to see what happens. What if the Knicks lose in five and all those fans come down from the street lamps and they realize, oh no, we're right where we've been the last 50 years. Then you're going to start seeing that we got to get Giannis.

That would probably be TJ, the most fun Brunson, Giannis and Bridges. Yep. There's a great Creek neighborhood there. That's pretty good.

I thought that didn't matter though. That's pretty good. Everyone says it's a great neighborhood.

Orlando would be fun. I've never had a cheesesteak, but whatever. I mean, I've never had a cheesesteak. These guys don't bring me anything.

It's ridiculous. Rich Ackerman. I didn't know you didn't have a cheese steak. Maybe Rich is going to bring me a cheesesteak. Well, you know, that's okay. All right, Rich, take a little news outbreak here. This episode is brought to you by Amazon prime from streaming to shopping prime helps you get more out of your passions. So whether you're a fan of true crime or prefer a nail biting novel from time to time with services like prime video, Amazon music, and fast free delivery prime makes it easy to get more out of whatever you're into or getting into visit amazon.com slash prime to learn more kickoff summer with Memorial day savings at Lowe's right now get five Scotts nature scapes, one and a half cubic foot mulch bags for just $10.

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It's very impromptu except for it is right off the cuff. Yes, I sincerely need from the bottom of my heart. I don't care whether you're young or old, black, white, Hispanic doesn't matter to me. I think that Dallas Cowboys fans are the worst, most disgusting, most nauseating fan base in American history. Nobody discussed me more than a cowboy fan because they never, ever, ever take a moment to smell their own stench. This is a team that hasn't won a Super Bowl since 1995. And they walk around like they're the reigning defending Super Bowl champions every single year. I've got a Dallas Cowboy fan here.

Rich Eisen shows social media extraordinaire Grand Maester T.J. Jefferson, who my condolences to him. He is reasonable. I do want to say that. I mean, you're right. But you did say five years ago, though, you were thoroughly just like every other cowboy fan that Stephen A. has probably resembled the remarks that he made.

OK, you know, but I mean, nobody feels that way anymore, man. And I really am on Cowboys Twitter a lot. I don't I see a bunch of angry and annoyed Cowboys fans.

I don't see Cowboys fans like walking around like thinking we're the Chiefs or something like that. What do you think? Oh, my Lord. I don't know you. I don't know you. And I don't mean to cast any aspersions on you as a human being. I'm sure you're a very nice, highly intelligent dude.

But for this particular subject, you are a damn liar. There is no way that you can say with a straight face that you don't run into Cowboys fans like this. Cowboys fans are the most arrogant.

Oh, this is the aiding fan base you could possibly find. You never take a second to smell your own stuff. And I'm just looking at it. You know, one of the great, great moments that I had. Yes.

All right. Remember 2010 when you ended up going six and ten. But then those weren't my favorite years with the Cowboys, because I actually like the Cowboys when the playmaking Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman was in the play in prime time, came over San Francisco and all of this other stuff.

But he was my favorite moment. 2011, 2012, 2013. Not only did the Dallas Cowboys finish eight and eight each season, they had the last game of the regular division crowd on the line and lost all three years to each of the teams in the division. It doesn't get much sweeter than that. And even then y'all still walk around.

We'd be better next year. You'll see. You'll see. Oh, T.J., Stephen A. Smith taking you to school for that.

Took me to school? You stand that. Come on.

He'll be joining us in the third hour. I don't know if you want to revisit that or not. Whatever. How about the Cowboys? Rent-free, Suzy. The cost of living is too high to allow someone to just live without paying any type of compensation.

And yet we live rent-free in the man's dome. Well, you know, Michael Urban did go twelve and five on the win-loss for the Cowboys on Friday. Do you think Stephen A. would do win-loss? Should we ask him? The Cowboys? No, no, no, no.

So nasty. Oh, that would be amazing. Let's ask him. Does he have a team? No, I mean, like, I don't think so. The Cowboys trust.

Oh, I would love to. Let's ask him. You just never quite know, right?

I mean, you don't know if you don't ask. Hi, guys. Suzy Schuster energizing. He'll be back on Wednesday. I'll be back with you tomorrow.

And you know what that means? Win-loss, win-loss, win-loss game. And I love my phone calls. All right, let's go to Dylan in Vancouver. Hi, Dylan.

You want to play Colts win-loss? Good morning, Suzy Schuster. It's an honor to be talking to you. I'm so glad that you waited so long and thanks again for your time.

I really appreciate it. Well, you know, Suzy, I actually tracked the win-loss game last year. There was one hundred and three call-ins.

I think if you hosted more, there'd be two hundred. Because it's fun. Hey, chill, Dylan.

Because it's fun. And, you know, I like getting you guys involved and I'd like to take calls. So it's like the perfect combination. Are you ready to go, Dylan? I'm very ready.

Let's see if I get this any better now that they've actually told me that I can have one that I can play better. I'm sure this will be a hot mess. All right, Dylan, let's go. Week one, Miami Dolphins.

That's going to be the first Colts week one win since 2013. Wow. Dylan's brought the stats this morning. I like it.

Dylan, you're the best. Let's go. Week two, Denver. That's a win. Week three at Tennessee.

The Colts have beat the number one overall pick the last five seasons. That's a win. Week four at the Rams. Whose house? That's a loss. I know. Week five, Raiders.

I need to hear Amy Trask's thoughts on Christian Bale as Al Davis. That's a win. So will you listen to What the Football as we record it tomorrow, our first one in a while?

I listen to What the Football every chance I get suits me. Thank you. Thank you.

I hope everybody holds you. What are we at? What do you have for a record right now? Four and one. Four and one.

All right. Week six, the Cardinals. Daniel Jones is going to outleg Kyler Murray. Week seven at the Chargers.

Daniel Jones is going to get out armed by Justin Herbert. Week eight, Titans. Titans suck loss or win.

I love it. Week nine at the Steelers. That's going to be a no good loss. Week 10 in Berlin against the Falcons.

In Berlin, they say Verloost. That's a loss. Wow. I like it. That was a good size.

All right. Week 11 is a bye. Week 12 at the Kansas City Chiefs. Patrick Mahomes has never beaten the Colts. They have no business winning this game and they will.

I love how correct Dylan comes. Wow. Seven and four. Week 13, Houston Texans. Loss. Week 14, Jacksonville Jaguars on the road. Anthony Richardson is going to throw a touchdown to Tyler Warren and Travis Hunter.

That's a loss. 15, this is the Seahawks. This is a special game for me.

I grew up in a low income family. It was a pipe dream to see the Colts. I'm proud to say I'm taking myself to this game.

Okay, really quick. Week 16, Niners. That's a win. That's a win.

Okay. Week 17, Jaguars. That's a loss. Ballard doesn't win Monday night.

That's a loss. Eight and seven. And 18, Texans on the road. Capping off the week, two wins to cap off the season against divisional teams.

10 and seven should be the record. Wow. Dylan, you're the best. Much more when we come back right here on the Rich Eisen Show. Dylan, you're amazing.

That was really fast. It was stress filled and I got through it much easier with this sheet. Thank you, TJ.

That's what I'm here for. Great sheet. 10 and seven. To make life easier for you.

On the playoff bubble at 10 and seven. You know, it's stressful when you're trying to do this game. You're trying to get it right. You're trying to tee up. I'll take my glasses off and somebody will chime in and say, watch, take your glasses off. I can't see. Back off.

Drink. So yeah, it's stressful because you want to deliver. It's a game show. We could actually make a podcast out of this and people would call in. I can't do another podcast. TJ, you want to do this one?

You can't do another podcast. You've got no contest wrestling today as a matter of fact. You do? Yeah.

Who's on it? Oh, we got the hardcore legend Mick Foley coming in the studio right here. He will be here today, man. Wow. We're excited.

This is going to be great. This is my question for all wrestlers who do this. Why? Why what?

Why? Why wrestle? Why do why wrestle? To entertain.

To have an outlet as an expression. Is wrestling a sport? It is. It's sports and entertainment all rolled up into one.

It is live theater. You know, it's everything like that. You know, it's the toll that this endeavor, whether you want to call it a sport or not, takes on these people's bodies and lives. It's unbelievable. So, yeah. So I've never had a cheesesteak and I've never watched a wrestling match. You've never watched a wrestling match.

Oh, we got to change that. I'll fire something up in the commercial break. I'll let you watch a squash match real quick. And so you'll you'll do that. But but you'll but you'll still kill me for not bringing donuts. And you won't bring me anything else like breakfast wise. So like that. But you let me watch a wrestling video.

Yeah, that's easy. You walk across the room. Wrestling is important. Call me when you when you do something big for me.

Just like let me know. Do you watch wrestling? Does Cage Brockman? We do.

We do. Him and I watch. I watched for a long time and then I was out.

And now, you know, Cage is a little older. So we're kind of into it. I got a nut shot the other day. It hurts so bad. I fell down immediately. And it was one of those ones where I was laughing because it hurt so bad. Sarah was really pissed at you, huh?

No, Cage did it. That was a joke, dummy. I know I'm powering through. Yeah, I'm trying not to relive the pain.

Yeah. And he thought it was he thought I was laughing. So he just kept like beating on me and like thought it was funny. And she was just like, no, I think he's actually really hurt. And I was.

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