Core Desires After Hours

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Welcome to Masculine Journey After Hours. We are glad to have you with us today, and we are continuing to talk about the first in a series on bootcamp talks. Because we have bootcamp coming up in 35 days, I think you said it was? Yeah, five weeks. Five weeks, yeah.

Five weeks, and so you can go to masculinejourney.org, or O-R-G, to register if you'd like. We'd love to have you there, but we are talking about the core desires, and if you missed the first part of the show, we talked about a battle to fight, which is a first core desire, and we're going to move into the other two. So Robby, over to you. Yeah, so the next two are an adventure to live and a beauty to rescue. And we would point out, as Jim I know would, that it's kind of like you can't get to one without the other. The adventure is going to require some battle, and the beauty is going to require some adventure, and so all three are definitely intermingled, and they all lead to some very interesting places. But just like we had a little exercise for you, the listener, in the first show being, what were some of the games that you liked to play when you were a child that just really made your heart come alive? I know for Big Jim it was Risk, wasn't it? You loved to play the game Risk? Risk was the entry drug into Wargaming, and I had some pretty major accomplishments, and I was actually thinking about that in the first show when I was sitting over there. One of the best gamers I've ever known, a fella named Pete Race, wanted me to fight him at Waterloo so he could practice for the tournament he was going to enter, and I crushed him in record time, and he was so angry.

Was his name Vodopart, or just Napoleon? Pete. He was actually the allies, and I beat him with the French, and he went in and then won the tournament, and that was one of my, I mean I had to be extremely lucky, and I was. We.

He and I won six out of seven Chickamauga tournaments over a few years. Do you hear Big Jim? It's proud. It's coming alive, yeah.

It's coming alive. He wants to play right now. It's an adventure with cardboard, but some of us, that's all we get to do. So on this subject of an adventure, right, like my question is, in your current life, wherever that may be, whatever your age is, what are you playing? How do you play? What does that look like in your life when I just say, okay, you know, do you play as a regular part of your life, and when you play, what does that look like for you? And I want you to process that, hold that thought, maybe journal it some, to be thinking, wow, where do I play?

How much do I play? So this next core desire is an adventure to live. And so God made a really wild world, you know, back in Genesis, after he made us in him his image. Then he put Adam not at the mall. He didn't put him at the mall. And he still doesn't. Not with Paul Blart.

No, he didn't. But he put him in a very wild, like, if you're a sailor and you've been out in the ocean, right, in an open sea, in a sailboat, this is a pretty wild place. And it is going to test your manhood.

It's going to give you a pretty good idea of what you can and can't do when all you've got is a sail and, you know, these waves that are coming up over the bow. And also, you know, there's things about adventure that call out an opportunity for you to wrestle with God, however that may look. Or, you know, maybe you play with your lawnmower.

I'm just saying. I've done that, you know, where you go in certain circles and you have a good time. But where do you play and how are you experiencing adventure?

Because we were made for adventure. And so, Rodney, you have our first clip on this subject. And for you, it's John Wayne. John Wayne's a good place to go for adventure. And these boys in the movie called Cowboys is John Wayne loses all of his hired hands. And he's got to get the drive from his ranch to Balfour or Balfour or however they say it.

Balfouche, maybe. But he has to go on this adventure with these boys because he has nobody else that's going to help him drive the herd. And these boys, you know, they live on farms, of course, or some of them may even live in the town. But they don't know wrangling from a hole in the ground. So they're all greenhorns.

They don't know anything about this. And through this adventure, they become men. They become such men that even when the wrestlers go kill John Wayne, which, you know, that doesn't happen very often, but you kill John Wayne, you're somebody. And then these boys, they come, they get the whole, the herd got stolen and they come back and take the herd back. But this is the beginning of the movie when they get it all set up and he's figuring out, okay, I've got no other option, but I'm going to have to go get this group of boys to come help me get this herd across the country. And so as he's introducing the boys, there's this loud music and so something's going on that the listeners won't be able to see. When that music is playing real loud, what's going on with the boys? The boys are out at the ranch trying to break a horse and they're all getting thrown off one by one.

That's when you hear them all introduce their, you'll hear some rustling noises and stuff and the music goes up and then they've introduced their names. That's what they're all, one by one, they're all taking their turn on the horse. And they're getting thrown off.

They're getting thrown off. Yes. And then John Wayne goes to their school? Yep, then he goes to their school and that's, he's writing on the chalkboard. They had chalkboards back then. They did. Yeah, no whiteboards. Didn't they, Harold?

Even back, I think Moses used one, didn't he? So here's John Wayne, the name of the movie is? The Cowboys. Sounds, makes sense.

In the summer of 78, Will Anderson lost all his cow hands just at the time he was to start his cattle drive. Did you ever think of hiring boys? What boys?

School boys. Oh, sure, and women. How about my mama in Cedar City?

She's only 92. Well, you ain't got a lot of choices. Who's first? I'll go first. My name's Honeycutt. I'm 15, and everybody calls me Slim.

I'm next. My name's Homer Williams, Mr. Anderson, and I hope I ain't wrote all the rough off of it. You all right, boy? Yes, sir. My name's Clyde Potter. They call me Fats.

Then enjoyed the cut myself. I don't expect to get to Belfouche with one single head of beef, but I'm cornered, so I'm taking you on. This is the double O.

This is Belfouche. In between is 400 miles of the meanest country in the west. And the only way we're going to get through is if you take orders to get the best food in the territory. No rest, little sleep.

Come with grit teeth, because gentlemen, that's when school really begins. So adventure was meant to, right? Open that heart up. Yeah, make it come alive. I can tell you that after a couple, four, five boot camps, I'd wanted to sail out in the open ocean for some time, and I found a way to rent a sailboat.

My wife and I went out to Tampa Bay and took a 32-foot Catalina out for a week, and it makes your heart come alive. And it showed me some things I really did not know how to do. And so as we get a chance to play, right, Andy, things go terribly wrong in our lives. If we don't find adventure, we will make adventure, right?

Yep. I mean, when I first started in the ministry, it was about the same time I got a new job, and I've said it on here many times. It gave me an opportunity to travel, and I realized how bored and stagnant I'd become in the job. And, you know, everybody's got a different—that just happened to be what God opened up for me. And then in those adventures and those travels, I was able to see so much stuff and get out and about, and my heart came alive because those were the kind of things that I did as a kid of doing these trips and stuff. But it also—adventure isn't just to go out and have fun and fill out a bucket list. I think God also—that adventure calls us—I associate, and I think you do too, Robby, from the talks, is associate adventure with risk. There's got to be a certain risk of your not knowing what the outcome is for you to really experience. You have to ask God to come into that to be with you during those things. And it really did help me when I would go out on these adventures.

Some of them, I wouldn't know how they were going to turn out. I remember one time I was—it was in the middle of the summer. I went up in Yosemite and was driving up to get a better view. And I get up there, and I swear I've never seen a hailstorm like this. And it looked like it was snowing.

I've got pictures of it. And it was like, am I going to make it out of here? Because I'm sliding all over the place, and I'm in this Dodge Challenger.

And I'm like, worst car in the world to have. But it was a blast. And those kinds of things, if we don't allow those things to come into our life, and all it becomes is, what is it? All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. I mean, that's what you end up getting. And it kills our heart, because that's not the way we were created for boredom and being stagnant.

Yeah, and it's one of the challenges, really, with the church. If your biggest adventure is out there showing people where to park, that isn't something that we feel like is worth dying for. That it's a big enough battle, and where does that fit in my Christian walk, and what does that adventure look like? And so, Danny, how about you?

Where do you play? Well, I was just thinking about, as a boy, I know you can't tell from my accent, but I grew up in the country. I always wanted to explore the woods. What was just beyond the tree line fascinates me. Now, we've moved to King, and yesterday morning I come out to the truck, and I hear a turkey call across the road.

I thought, wonder what's beyond the tree line. So that's the adventure. It doesn't sound like a whole lot, but… Gobble, gobble, gobble, gobble. It sounds like you.

Yeah, it does. It's that time of year. I've never been much of a hunter or anything, but I love to explore new places. And a year or so ago, I took up hiking for a while, and I'm in such good physical condition, but shaped like a pear. But exploring new trails and stuff like that just makes my heart come alive. And I didn't realize how much it did until I started hiking in the Uarey Forest before we moved up to King, and now I'm looking forward to finding other places to hike.

And it does make you come alive. So even at almost 80, he's not as old as you might think. I'm not 80. Harold. Still, I know him well enough to know he does a lot of playing.

Don't you, Harold? Right now, pickleball is the big deal. And if you don't know anything about pickleball, go to YouTube and you can look it up. It's a fast-growing sport.

Or come to the Y in Mocksville and ask for Harold, and they'll point you to the pickleball court, and away you go. One of the things I was thinking about a few minutes ago is that I was able to combine two of these things in one, the adventure and rescuing the beauty, because my adventure used to be riding my motorcycle with my sweetheart on behind me. And I particularly loved it when we got to ride out in New Mexico. I can one-up your story about the hailstones, because I was riding my motorcycle on a little mountain curvy road on hail. That's dicey.

That will keep your attention well. So you were sort of a hails angel. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Don't get to ride the bike anymore, but it still hangs with me, and I've got such great memories of when I did it. Well, you've got to tell our listeners, there's one time that you got to find out what happens when you lay down a big bike at high speed, right? Well, actually, it wasn't at all that high a speed, but, yeah, I did have a little bit of a wreck. But the good Lord was with me. How fast were you going there?

Probably around 50 to 55. You laid down a big motorcycle at 50 to 55 miles an hour. That may not seem like a high rate of speed to you, but if you've ever been on a motorcycle hitting the ground at 50 to 55 miles an hour, how did you live?

Well, I had a couple of angels that kept the number one. The bike jackknifed on me. I had gone off the edge of the road, and when I came back up, it jackknifed. So I went off in front of the bike, and it should have just torn me to shreds.

It didn't touch me. I had on no leather. I did have on my John 3-16 T-shirt. And my right shoulder had a road burn, but the shirt looked like it hadn't even been washed. So I came out with a few scrapes, and I did get eight stitches on my underarm. There are a lot of people that have been killed on motorcycles for less.

At 20 miles an hour. Believe me. The Lord really took care of me in that. So I regret having had the wreck because that was the end of my riding. I would have gone back, but my sweetheart couldn't handle it. I couldn't turn my back on her. So to quote my friend, when it comes to adventure, get your motor running.

It just does. So, you know, transitioning over to the, you know, and clearly talk about an adventure. Rescuing the Beauty is the third of the core desires, and Andy immediately, you know, delves off the... And so, you know, obviously, as a young man comes up somewhere, who knows, 13, 14, 15, all of a sudden something catches your eye, and you have something new that God has designed you in order to engage in, and the idea is to rescue the beauty.

So I have a clip here that actually I took from one of my absolute favorite movies, which I've taken a lot of heat from, you know, today. It's called A Bride for Christmas, and in this movie, the young lady that is the one who's going to be rescued by a young man by the name of Aiden, she has been proposed to three times. So they call her a runaway bride, you know, so to speak, because at the very beginning of the movie, she walks down the aisle and right out past the groom and right out the church, and then you find out she's done this to three different grooms, and the reason is, is the first one asked her to marry her on national television. He was a weatherman, so up came the weather map and it said, Will you marry me?

And so she felt a lot of pressure on her nationally to say yes. She didn't want to hurt the guy's feeling. The second one was a movie critic, so he had the marquee on the biggest theater in town say, You know, will you marry me? And the third one, which was the guy that was at the beginning of the movie, he asked her on the Jummatron at a Giants, San Francisco Giants game, and so, you know, this was obviously a great way to actually get a bride to maybe say yes, but not necessarily to get her to, you know, come down the aisle and stay with you. So enter the Aiden character, and he has actually made a bet with his friends, you know, to kind of go along with the movie if you've ever seen it, you know, how to lose a guy in seven days or whatever.

It has a mixture of runaway bride, how to lose a – so it's got all these elements to it. So they've made a bet that he's going to get somebody to ask him to marry them before Christmas, and his friend sets him up because he knows about this girl that's never connected to anybody, so he thinks he's got this bet won. Nonetheless, he's starting to figure out that I got my work cut out for me, and he is going to begin to, you know, talk to this girl, and when he finds out that she works at an animal shelter, and so he goes to work at the animal shelter – smooth move, I might add, for any of you thinking, you know. There she works, so he goes and volunteers at the animal shelter. Well, they both, you know, come to love this dog, and the dog gets adopted, and so you're going to hear a scene where the dog has been adopted. This guy wants to bring it back, and so Aiden, you know, steps up, and you can hear him take this battle to fight, and he plays it well, and he's not doing this to impress the girl. He's doing it because this is how he actually feels. Well, as the girl sees this man step up and actually be a man, you know, she gets rescued. When did you know Mike Owen and – Trent.

Trent. When did you know they weren't the ones? When they proposed, I guess. The idea of spending the rest of my life with them was kind of panicked. Isn't that normal? Aren't you supposed to get cold feet? I don't think so.

I think when you're truly in love, the idea of spending the rest of your life with someone should make you the happiest you've ever been. He's totally out of control. He's completely untrained. Last night he was up all night barking and whining. Sir, he's just a little stressed from being in a new environment. He'll settle down. I don't have time to wait for him to settle down. It's too much work.

Get him. You know, you're breaking their hearts. What? Your kids. I'm sure they don't care Jake stays up all night or won't stay or sit.

They just want to talk. Hey, man, don't talk to me about my kids, okay? Well, it's not just about your kids.

Poor Jake here thought he was getting out of his cage. That's not my problem. It's not your problem. You adopted him. You know, we got pamphlets here if you want to read.

You know, we have a dog adoption pamphlet that he would have read anywhere. What happened? What? The fireworks. No, but it wasn't like an explosion.

It was like this crazy dream sequence. What are you talking about? He's the one. Yep. Aiden is the one.

What do you mean? Like the one? The one?

Like the one. So as we talked about in the battle to fight, that all of these are a picture of God. So, whenever God called anybody in the Bible, just he took them on a big adventure.

You know, that was part of the deal. You know, Abraham got to go, you know, over to, you know, the original idea of coming to Israel in the Promised Land. And Moses certainly got to go on quite the adventure across the Red Sea, you name it, and take your pick of characters.

Daniel, you know, had a little lion experience, you know. Paul, oh my goodness, he got to go on an adventure. And Jesus and the disciples themselves. And if you rid the lives of any of the disciples, oh my goodness, did they have an adventure after, you know, Jesus ascended. So it's always part of the deal is God is – you sign up with God, and I see it every week, by the way, on my shows, is people step into what God has asked them to do with their life, and he takes them on adventures.

And they're like, I can't believe I'm on the radio, or I can't believe I wrote a book, or I can't believe, you know, I got involved in this ministry to kids. Whatever it is, God took them on an adventure that they didn't necessarily receive. But I don't want anybody to miss that this last core desire is so clearly, so clearly in the heart of Jesus, okay. Because he has a beauty to rescue, and that beauty to rescue is you. And part of the reason that we're having this whole boot camp and all this is so Jesus can, you know, have an opportunity to rescue – he doesn't want to rescue this person whose desires are all buried in the sand, and there are men living quiet desperation. That isn't who he's come to rescue. He wants to rescue men who are fully alive. And did you hear her voice when she was like, it's happened, the fireworks, the da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da, you know, like, oh my – you know, like this is a big deal. Like, when you truly rescue a beauty, she's not just – she is running in the path of what her desires are. And this is what this looks like, and when you get a chance to take part in that, like, oh my goodness, and it happens in the funniest ways.

It just does. Darrell Bock Who doesn't want to wear the shining armor and ride the white horse? Darrell Bock Yeah, yeah, and, you know, I often find, you know, if people know me, they go, well, Robby, you've got a crazy temper on you there. You need to be careful.

That thing's dangerous. And I've told this story many times, but I never forget it, that, you know, my brother-in-law committed suicide. We had to fly to Dallas. We got on an airplane. Robby and Tess – I hadn't been born. Robby and Tess were, like, two or three. We're getting off the airplane, and the guy starts to push Tammy as we're getting off the airplane.

Well, I'm already kind of upset because of what's happened with the death of my brother-in-law and all this stuff. And Tammy was, like, this guy's pushing me. And so I said, well, let's step over, you know, try to be the congenial man, and I said, you know, go ahead and come by us if you're in a hurry, you know.

And so as he walked by me, he goes, well, if you would control your brats. Well, it didn't end well. My wife says I dropped Tess, you know.

We don't know. I believe I set her down gently. What I do know is I followed that guy up very quickly up the jetway, spun him around and put him on his keister in about two seconds, and before I could hardly breathe, I felt this headlock come upon me, and it was actually a sky marshal who was practically, you know, behind the saw, the whole thing. And he had me in some kind of headlock, like, I didn't know.

At least that guy was down there, and then somebody else came and grabbed him, and the next thing I know, I'm getting talked to, I think I'm fixing to get arrested. But what I thought was a complete disaster, right, is still the stuff of Dilmore legend. Like, I'll never forget the time Daddy – man, I mean, you are not going to mess with his family, and just like that girl, you know, I guess why that speaks to my heart. When he, you know, stood up for that dog, when you stand up, you're just being who you are, right, then, oh, my goodness, you know, it's part of what God designed you to do.

Darrell Bock And this is adventure and beauty. I'll try to make a very long story very short, but my wife and I were called Alaska, and we said yes, and God took us on quite an adventure going there. But the core of that was winning my wife's heart back. We had been married 30 years. She was wounded, and we got there, and she went into a depression.

It's called SAD, which is one of the better acronyms – Seasonal Affective Disorder – by praying with her daily. It restored our relationship, and we had to go 4,000 miles to do it, but it was quite an adventure with God, with one another, and when you step up to those, as you said, it's a wonderful adventure. Darrell Bock So really, it is Jesus that's inviting you to have your heart come back alive, to awaken those desires – a battle to fight, a beauty to rescue, an adventure to live. He's there waiting for us and all that, and he wants to be that one, but you've got to step up. You've got to jump in. You've got to go to masculinejourney.org. This is the Truth Network.