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So, a Super Bowl champ, a national champion, a Fox Sports college football analyst who is going to call tomorrow's Iowa State Baylor game on FS1 at noon Eastern. I'm talking about Spencer. Tilman Spencer, my man. It has been a minute. It is great to see you and run you down, Spencer.
How you doing? I'm doing all right, fun old man. Though, man, I'm hanging in there. You're right; it has been a minute. Good to see you, and good to see you adapting and moving quickly and doing like you've always done.
Rack him, man. Matt, appreciate you, dude. What a great thing to say. Yeah, and you look great. You look great.
You sound great. And we'll go ahead and rack you too while we're at it. And Spence, why don't we take a quick walk down memory lane? Look, I've done this gig long enough that I remember when you were getting it done in the Big Eight back in the day. When you think back to your Years in Norman and the Sooners winning that Natty in '85, running that wishbone with Jamel Hallway at quarterback.
Now, what are some of the memories that come to mind? You just brought one of them. One of them is the fact that one of the white hot teams right now, UCLA, would eventually get the quarterback that started that year that you referenced, and that would be Troy Aikman. People forget that he was our starting quarterback from Henrietta, Oklahoma, but you broke his small tibia in his leg, and then Jamel came in in the huddle. I never will forget, Jim.
I turned to Lydell Carr when Jamel came in, and Jamel had this little quiet arrogance about him, and he turned to me. He says, "Y'all ready to roll?" And that really cool.
Southern California accent, right? And when he said that, I turned and I just shrugged our shoulders.
Now we. Lost that game, but we ran the table the rest of the year, right? And then I think Tennessee lost to somebody in the postseason, and we won a national championship that year. And the Orange Bowl had a tremendous success there.
So yeah, what I remember about it most was just just the great excitement and all of the characters. In hindsight, that we had on those teams, obviously Barry Switzer was at the the apex of it, but we had a lot of things, stories I could tell you all day long. But I'm this is your show, man. I too many stories to go back and unpack right now, Spencer. I don't need all of Them just a couple of good ones.
I'm here for the stories. I am absolutely here for the stories. You know, stories are the best part. In fact, you're right. That 85 team was filled with not only future NFL players and not just alphas, but characters, man, characters.
And nobody generated more attention than the boss, Brian Bosworth. What was it like sharing a locker room with the boss? Like as gifted as he was, as wild as he was, was it at times difficult being teammates with the boss? It was probably more difficult, Jim, for the coaches and Barry in particular than it was anybody else.
Now Barry kind of had to keep a tight leash on him, but it was only with the public purview. Brian and his dog Raider—he had a Doberman Pinscher that was sitting behind us at games, and he'd be watching the game. Had his own seat, old nine yards. We'd be hanging up half a hundred points on people, and the dog was sitting back there with a little handkerchief around his neck, watching the game. And he, of course, he had the white Corvette, and that.
Was all a big deal, but listen, it was just part of who we were, and it matched the personalities of all the people. You were talking guys like Tony Casillas, myself, Jamel Holloway. You had Lydell Carkey, Jackson, who everybody remembers the the the voice of Keith Jackson. But we had our own Keith Jackson, and would be crazy watching a big tight end run an end around. To this day, I think he's probably the only tight end I've ever seen run eighty eight yards on an end around.
And I remember it because I was blocking for him on the play. I didn't think he was going to make it. I had to go all the way downfield and get one of those Nebraska cornerhouses chasing him down. But the guy made it in the end zone. I've never seen a tight end that was so gifted.
And we had to find ways to make opportunity for guys like that. We were just so talented and gifted on both sides of the ball. Having got to the Kevin Murphy's and those guys on the defensive side, they were unbelievable. Man, that is so great, Spencer. You know, it's always said you've got to find a way to get the ball into the hands.
Your playmakers, but it's never been said. You've got to find a way to get your tight end on an end around. Much less see that guy housing 88 yards. Spencer Tillman joining us. You mentioned Barry.
Barry. Barry's an all-timer. I love Barry. I've always loved Barry. I haven't talked to Barry in years, but he's still going strong at 89.
What a beauty this dude is. You and I could devote multiple podcasts to stories about Barry. But let me ask you this: You were born and raised in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
So were you always dead set on Playing for the Sooners, or did he come hard and come and get you? He came hard late, but I tell you what—I was almost this far from going to Nebraska. They had a counselor by the name Ursula Walsh. God rest her soul. She had convinced me that if I wanted to get that petroleum land management degree, that I needed to go to Oklahoma.
And I was like, "What in the heck?" She just told me. She told me I needed to go to if I wanted to do this. And I was so impressed with the honesty, Jim. I said, "Man, how could I not deal with that?" Because my mom was a missionary, and you know, I was raised in a household had strong ethics and all that stuff. And that just appealed to me.
Ended up going when I got that that Billy Sims jersey in the mail. Oh man, it was hard not to go go to Oklahoma.
So that changed my mind. I was so quick to change, but I'll tell you, man, it was it was a lot of things that went into that process. But I think it was the fact that big the big personality of Barry Switzer, and to this day, I'll tell you, Jim, that's been thirty plus years ago. But man, even to this day, and and was it's been almost like nine ten years ago when my mother passed away. This guy shows up at the funeral, right?
Shows up at the funeral. Same thing with my dad, and he called me up out of the blue. He shows up at my dad's funeral. I mean, I'm like, good lord! And he and they ask him to speak impromptu, and the guy just starts telling details about my mom in East Arkansas.
He's got a memory that's ironclad, man. He doesn't forget anything. He remembers that my mom was six one, and I got the short gene. He's cracking jokes and all this stuff at the funeral. It's great, man.
It was unbelievable. But I don't know how many people. Got that kind of relationship with their head football coach, but I wasn't the only one he had that with. I was just the one that was close to his heart, and I used to babysit his kids, Doug, Kathy, and Greg. But man, I'll tell you what—I go to bat for that guy any day.
Man, Spencer Tillman joining us—what a great story that is! I think a lot of people think about Barry, and they think a lot of things, but don't think about him or see him that way, right? He's got that kind of acumen and that memory. Let me ask you—like, you because you had that relationship, he didn't actually come to your high school in a fur coat or a mink coat, did he? I hope he did.
I hope he did. Are those stories true? Would he recruit and show up in fur coats? I tell you that is the best question that I've had in terms of the that gets you into the inside of who he was. And I'll tell you, there were some people that were offended when I said this, but I remember I was interviewed.
I can't remember who the person was, but I remember what I said to him. He said, "Describe Barry Switzer to me," and I had to go to some of my childhood upbringing to come up with the the reason why I used it. But I said, "You know what? He's kind of like the Apostle Paul. He's all things to all men that he may win some to Oklahoma football." And obviously, I'm borrowing.
From the good book, right? But I'm saying, hey, man, if you understand that he was able to be selective and become what he needed, didn't come to me with the fur coat. It probably, and it was probably a rabbit or something like that. He had on when he went after Jamel Holloway. But he, he, he was just like you said.
He was able to adapt and become whatever he needed to do to appeal to that particular athlete. But here's the thing about it, Jim. It wasn't fake, man. I mean, tell you something. That guy can sniff a phony out in a heartbeat.
And he knows when a guy's authentic. If I bring something around him in his orbit, he goes, "Spencer, what do you? You know, had big old char tobacco or something in his mouth, and he'd spit it out and just say, 'Son, I just want you to know I love you.' And I, you know, I don't know about this guy very much, but tell me a little bit of something about him, you know. And he and he unpack it and he give you the rationale for why he liked him or didn't like him. But the guy had an ability to discern personality traits that was uncanny, and he hadn't missed yet, in my opinion.
Spencer, let me go on record as being one of those people who is not. Offended by the way you used or that description you had for Barry Switzer because that's not easy to describe. But I am not at all offended by that. I thought you nailed that. We're talking to Spencer Tillman.
These stories are so so awesome.
So you get drafted by the Oilers and you spend a total of five years there over two different stints playing for another big personality.
Now a different personality to be sure, but a complete character in Jerry Glanville. Did did did playing for Barry prepare you for Glanville or Is there nothing that could have prepared you for Glanville? Nothing could have prepared you for Jerry Glanville, man. He was, oh, I'm not gonna say he was the antithesis of Barry, but he was kind of more of a character in this sense. I mean, he was the prince of left hand compliments.
He used to call me Channel Two because I used to work for the NBC affiliate. I'd leave practice and do six and ten o'clock news, right? And he'd come back and he'd see me and he goes, "Channel Two, darling." He says, "I want to show you something." He'd ask me to come in a little side room, and I was a special teams maven at the time, playing behind Heisman. Trophy winner Mike Rozier, Alan Pink, and Lorenzo White, and I was trying to figure out why in the heck y'all drafted me. You know, I was a pretty good back in Oklahoma, so dude, we're running a one back set with June Jones calling the plays and kind of Miles Davis stuff.
We were running. I said, why in the hell did you guys draft me? You know, I say, let me go someplace where I can play, and I ended up going to San Francisco and playing behind a guy who was pretty darn good too, Roger Craig, who went into the Hall of Fame. But Jerry's deal, he had, he was the prince of left hand compliments. And I swear to you, I remember just like yesterday.
He calls me in a room and he sits me down. He goes, "Channel two. I just want you to look at this, darling." He says, "When you hit this guy right here, you knocked his, you know what, in his watch pocket." And he used the D word right to describe it. And he says, "I really love that about you, son. I love you.
When I saw that, I love you more than I did yesterday." And he said. But of course, I didn't love you much yesterday. And he'd get you hooked and reeled in, man. And all of a sudden, he just shut it down real quick to bring you back in and let you know that don't don't get too comfortable with me. And that's the way he was.
He did it with Ernest Givens too. Ernest was an all-pro wide receiver. Had these acrobatic catches and stuff that he would do. One time, he got hurt in practice. The place went absolutely silent, and everybody kind of shuffles over there and looking down.
And Warren Moon is looking. He's one of his key wide receivers, and then Jerry gets down, and you could hear the echo. You could hear everybody's voice, even if you were ten feet away. And Jerry goes, "Is she wounded or just emotionally scarred?" Oh, dude. How do you get?
You're laughing now. Was anybody laughing at the time? Like not at the time. And and I think you have. You're probably one of the rare people who had the keen insight of what that meant during that time.
Yes. You know, we had a very diverse group of players, and we were totally accepting. It didn't matter who you were. If you could ball out, man, that was the bottom line. You could ball out.
But you know, he was leaving tickets and and left hand compliments left and right. But he could get you motivated for a period of time. But man, it wore out about two or three years, right? It spent its service and and it just went beyond the youthfulness after about two or three years. Incredible, Spencer Tillman joining us.
Then you go to the Forty Nineers. I'm just moving right through these anecdotes to get to the next one. You go to the Forty Nineers and you win a Super Bowl, capping the '89 season when the Niners crushed the Broncos 55 to 10. I've also done this long enough that I held on to Joe Man. Montana is the goat.
As long as I possibly could, Spencer. Before I had no chance but to give that nod to Tom Brady. But I always thought that Joe was like, like Wayne Gretzky with pads, like absolutely a genius. Guys who practically were playing a different game altogether because they saw things that nobody else could ever see. You know, much like you described Barry and what made Barry Barry.
Can you explain the greatness of Joe Montana? Oh, you! I think you just nailed it. I would just say this: he was like Gretzky; he was slick and overboard, and the way he played the game, he saw angles and things that people didn't see. I remember one time he threw a ball to me on a little swing route, and I was thinking, "Well, how did you figure out?" I'm third in the progression on this particular the route tree on this particular play, and he said, "Spence, before the huddle broke, he says, 'Just be ready, man.'" And he was looking at the formation and the structure, or we call the surface of the defense when he was walking up to the line of scrimmage.
And he had the presence of mind to see one half of the field and know the math wasn't mathing. And he said, "I'm probably going to come back to you because they're going to lock Jerry down, double him. John Taylor was not going to have a shot, and YC wasn't available. He knew that, and so he just said, 'Spence, I'm coming to you, man.' And I'm like, 'Dude, you're not coming to me, you know?' And sure enough, boom. But that was just part of the course.
He had an ability to see things that you didn't see, and that's what made him unique. And more recently, you know, I've been spending some time. With him and Jerry Rice, we've been doing a couple of shows together around the country, and this particular place was in Las Vegas. And man, he was able to convert those concepts and ideas of the red zone, and he explained it to me this way: since the red zone is not so much a place on the field as much as it is a set of circumstances that puts tremendous pressure on the team, the organization, or the individual to achieve something.
So when we think about the red zone, we think from the twenty-yard line in. But he and Bill Walsh kind of collaborated. And came up with that as a framework for how to approach problems. And he says, "This is not about football, guys. This is about life." And the way he got us to hone in on it, Jim, he created this kind of Pavlovian response mechanism.
We used a horn to denote when we were doing our red zone preparation, and when he used a whistle for every other period. And you could literally see on the all twenty-two when that horn blew, guys would get off their helmets, they would get up and start admonishing each other. Pat, him, hey, dude, we got to catch these next six. Plays because they were going to be passing plays in that restricted place, which required a level of focus that you don't have to have in open field. And the value of it was he stacked it in practice, Jim.
And here's the strategy of it: he and Montana collaborated to stack that at the end of practice, so that if we got Those sixteen plays completed, practice would end.
So it was all—it was classic Pavlovian response mechanism. You salivate if you do this right, you're going home, and whatever it is that you value, you're going to be able to do that. And they had the presence of mind to know that we're human beings, and man, to me, that along with just the idea of the guy's accuracy and acumen puts him in another level altogether. I respect your opinion on Brady, and you got to say that. But man, I say when you play the game in the phone booth and still have an efficiency.
Rating up north of ninety-one percent in the red zone where you're scoring touchdowns. I'm telling you, it's a different error. It's not spread error. Everybody knows where you're going, and we still scored. To me, that set him apart.
Spencer, so Jake Plummer came on before you came on because we were talking about Pat Tillman, and he talked about how football on Sundays become like our church, like like that right there was a sermon. That was a sermon right there. That was a beautiful response. That is just incredible.
So Spencer, to you, like as a part of that team, you were one of the captains. You were one of the captains. What was it like leading? How did you go about exerting leadership on a team coached by Bill Walsh that had so many future all-famers that had Joe Montana? That had Jerry Rice, that had Roger Craig.
You were one of the captains. How did you go about exerting your leadership or imposing it? I just try to be as humble as possible, and I remember the time, the date, particularly when they nominated me, Captain Doctor Harry Edwards, who's still with us. Was our team? Oh man, I never do it.
I never do it. I never, ever, ever, ever, ever interview guests. I'm so sorry, Doctor Harry Edwards. I had so many conversations with him over the years. Man, there's a force of nature.
There is a strong man, Doctor Harry Edwards. I mean, physical in presence to be sure. What is he? Six five, you know, dark skin black man who just looks imposing when you just from the stereotypical sense of the word. Irrespective of that, you know, he's a prince of a guy when you sit in his presence, like you said.
But he, I asked him, why did you put me here? And I was literally two spots moved between Joe and Steve Young, and I was like, what, dude? Why you? Why am I not with the other running backs? Why don't you have me down here?
And he says, I'll tell you in a couple of months. And so, literally, page forward a couple of months. Walking off the field, and Steve Young comes up and he says, "Spence, what are you doing on what are you doing on on Tuesdays? Our days off." And I told him what we were doing. We were going over Brent Jones's house, his apartment at the time, and we were studying some stuff.
We were trying to figure out how these heroes of the Good Book managed to do some of the remarkable things that they did. And here you got a third-generation Mormon and a Judeo-Christian guy, and we had a Jewish fellow that was in the group. It was just a wonderful collaboration of people who came together to understand the heroes of the book. And the problems that they faced, and we use one Jewish individual in particular was Nehemiah and his reclamation project of Jerusalem. We unpacked how he did it, how he was able to go back, what he leveraged in terms of the strengths, and those stories were the types of things that we studied and used as fuel.
We went into our battles. We saw ourselves as those heroes, and we had guys that saw themselves as something unusual. You may remember the name Jamie Williams. He called himself Spider Man. He always lived in this alternate.
Universe, right? And so, so many of us did that same thing.
Some of us leaned on what we knew and what we grew up with. It may have been biblical type stuff, or from the Torah, the Quran, or whatever it was. But we leaned on those things, man, because it was a significant part of our upbringing. And to me, that's what I remember most about those years and those experiences with the Forty Nineers. And Dr.
Harriet was at the center of it. He was at the center of it. He's the one that put me there. He put me there because Steve Young was a backup at the time. He was behind Montana.
Jim, he was behind him, and he asked me, "How do you come out here every single day?" And we used to call him Bobby Brady because he had that little curly black hair at the time. And I said, "I said, 'Hey, man, we just—I have an audience of one, man. It's not about anybody else. It's about my core values.' I remember telling him that, and he says, 'Okay, I'm going to go with you to this thing on Tuesday.' So he goes and he starts going, and he kept going, right? And so we just developed a fast relationship and strong, and that's why I learned about leadership.
Leadership is influence, nothing more. Nothing less, and they didn't care about your name. I'm a snot nosed black guy from North Tulsa, Oklahoma. Grew up broke as the Ten Commandments, but I'll tell you what: I believe what I believe, and I know what I know, and that's what they sensed in me in terms of the leadership piece of it, and that's why I ended up being a captain. Man, incredible stuff, Spencer Tillman joining us.
So, Spencer, not to put you on the spot, but Jerry Rice ever play with a better all-around football player than Jerry Rice? Not in terms of work ethic. I mean, you know, his dad was a bricklayer, and he used to work with tossing those bricks up there, and he catching with his raw hands. That guy right there was—I've seen him, Jim, and I think he'd be okay with this. I've seen him get dressed fully.
This is how much of a perfectionist he was, and then literally take everything off if it was something that was out of place, right? And some people say, "Well, that's being anal about it." No, his idea was: if I step out on that feeling, I'm perfect. I'm going to have a perfer. Performance. I'm I'm totally fine with that.
I'm great. I believe that preparation is the key to performance, and there's something about presentation that matters, right? We live in a world of images and impressions. Nobody is able, or most people aren't able, to pull away the veneer to find out how things really work.
So we deal with what's on the surface. And so when we got off that bus, if we looked the part, there's something to be said. There's value there. He felt the same way about stepping on the field. He was going to be primped.
We used to call him Fifi, right? He had that hair tight, cropped, hot fade. You know, old kid in play style, and he'd be dressed to the nines, right? He had to look the part before he stepped on the field. If he didn't, he was coming back in.
Those zip cutters were coming out. He's taking that tape off and tell him, "Hey, you got to tape me up again, spat me up clean, start from scratch. I got to step out there right." And he did, you know. And that's that's. I've never seen anybody quite like that guy.
I'm not going to question that. Look good, feel good, feel good.
Well, you know how that goes, but but how you get to question him?
So special one like. Appreciate you so much. One last thought: You're in Waco, right? Yep.
Okay.
So the Baylor coaching situation. What was your reaction to them firing Dave Aranda when they did? And then, given the guys they're targeting, who would you like to see get that job? You know, you know who I I'm gonna be serious. I'm gonna be totally transparent with you because I had TCU the previous week.
The thing that came to my mind immediately is, boy, these Christians are tough on coaches, man. Because TCU fired its offensive coordinator. Right, right. TCU has fired AJ Richter the week before, and I had them and the David Randa and the Baptists. They got rid of David Randa, one of the top defensive minds.
I'm saying, boy, these Christians are hard on these coaches, man.
So anyway, that was just a little tongue and cheek thing, but. I like it. The thing I yeah, the thing I thought about it was I said, hey. Listen, in the conference that is so much you can call it parity, you can call it balance, you can call it a lack of competitiveness. I don't care what you call it.
That thing is wide open in the Big Twelve conference, and so because it is, those margins of victory are narrow, and you're going to have to win in the margins, right? And so I think everybody senses that at a heightened level. If you look at the the opening of the the the the the college football playoff rankings right now, you've got BYU who's sitting in there in this. Conference maybe a bit of an outlier because they've got a pedigree that goes deeper than anybody else because they've got some national appearance lineage, if you will. They're being recognized, and I think that's showing up in that performance in that position that they're in right now.
Utah's up there, sitting up there as well. You've got some teams that have some of that lineage, but by and large, the Big 12 Conference is a bunch of teams in that middle tier, and they all can knock each other off, and that's where that pressure to get. These coaches fired come from, but Dave Aranda is a great defensive mind. I don't think he necessarily projects that great as a head coach because he's not really a talkative guy. You got to get him going to to get that going, and then sometimes he's but he's very contemplative and he thinks long and hard about things.
But I think I think what they've got in place right now is going to get them to that next level because it's a very stayed and comfortable environment. This is not a blip in the road for them. They are for real.
So, I'm just following you around. Since you mentioned religion, how do you see the Holy War this weekend, man? What a battle! For the first time ever, BYU and Utah, both in the top ten, we already know how much they hate each other, and I mean that in a good way. How do you see this one going?
Well, I see it going very. Fast and and I think here's why I see that as you get to the end of the year, people are saving they're they're keeping their powder dry right and you can see it happen. This isn't circa 2000 and then maybe 2007 to 2020 when the Big Twelve and even its predecessor Big A, not so much the Big A but the Big Twelve in the early years they were airing it out. You had Sonny Doug Meacham, Sonny Combe, Mike Leach, you know all of those great coaches who came from that. Spread it out, era kind of thing.
They're saving their powder for the latter part of the year, and both these two teams can be physical. And they can play chess with you if you shut down one aspect of their game. Their coaching staffs are unbelievably well at adjusting, and then they're making you pay for what you commit your resources to. And so, when I see two good coaching staffs come together, those are the type of battles that I like. I'm a purist in that regard.
I'm an offensive guy, but I love see people respond to the pressures. That's why I whole love the red zone concept. You know, the idea of how you perform in those stress packed situations tells me much more. About who you are as a person and a team institution, whatever you are, and and I and I have to tell you, man, over the years, the fact that you are still doing what you are doing at a high level and inventing and and morphing and changing and doing what you need to do, man, that tells me something about you, man, and and you deserve every bit of honor and respect that comes your way because most people can't do what you are doing. Yes, can't happen, dude.
I appreciate you so much, but I couldn't wait for you to finish because I was going to ask you. What is your secret? You have never sounded or looked better than you do right now. What is the secret?
Well. I don't know if I have a secret. I've been married to the same woman. I've been fortunate. I think that's something we have in common.
I think this is year thirty-nine going on for me, and I think that matters, man. If you have the reduced stress of all those things, that matters a great deal. If you can, you can have the good one. Otherwise, the alternate of that is you can go to an early grave. You know, it'll take you out really soon if you get the bad one.
So I think that's part of the formula. I think you're right. I think you're right. I've been mine thirty years.
Well, we've been married thirty years. But being together longer than that, Spencer Tillman joining us—a national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a legend, my man. It shouldn't have been such a long minute. I appreciate you so much. That was a great, great catch-up, man.
Love and respect, Spence. Take care, my brother. Good to see you as always. Great to see you, Spencer Tillman. What an awesome, awesome conversation.
Incredible, anecdotally, and my man is so sharp and so good. Your reaction to that? Two great interviews today: the Snake Jake Plummer and Spencer Tillman, right there, man.
Some of those old school stories are absolutely no, not some of them, all of them, absolutely incredible. Big Eight college, NFL, Golanville Niners. My man is a story factory. You know what I love about that? I love it when a podcast breaks out in the middle of an interview, and the guest doesn't mind.
He was so good. That was so fun. Spence, appreciate you so much. If you're still watching, great stuff. Great, great stuff.
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Welcome back. I'm telling you. What a great conversation that was too. Marty Blick writes Rome. Holy crap!
Today got to be on the short list of best interview days I can remember in literally years. Is that true, Blick? Years? They were great. Both those guys were great.
Jake the Snake was great, and Spence was something else. My take on Spencer, and this is why I approached that particular conversation that way, and then go off topical. Let's talk college football. I've always thought he had a really fascinating career, a really interesting career, and I've always thought he was a really interesting individual. And that more people should talk to him about his career because of where he had been and what he accomplished, and who he played for and who he played with.
That. The only thing that surprised me, and not very much at all, was just his incredible recall and incredible energy. But I'm not really surprised by that because my man's lived a clean life, and that that's how you look like that, and that's why he answered that question. I think in part that well, you know, I'm like, dude, what's the secret sauce? What's the secret?
Why do you still sound amazing and look amazing at that age? And he said, well. I've been with the same woman for 39 years, and if you're connected, and he didn't use the word drama, but you don't have that drama, and you don't have that stress, it's probably a good thing. But I, I think it's holistic. I think it's the whole thing.
But man, he was great. Rick and Chico, Romy, great energy from Spencer Tillman, waving that ring around like a champ. You should. Air zero D X A Jim get Spencer on long form stat. What an awesome interview, bro!
We just did. That's what that was. Oh, looky here, the queen. The Queen. Let me stop what I'm doing because the Queen is on the screen.
I've been waiting for you, Queen, all damn day, and she is here and graces us with her presence. If I'm talking about the Queen, you have to know who I'm talking about. We go to Jacksonville. Danica Nix. What's up?
Dubai. Rome. It has been a fantastic week. We started out with a victory Monday and ended it on a victory Friday. I mean, what more can you ask for?
Now, granted, Jaguar fans, we've kind of been used to flashing the pan hot one year, gone the next five, but now we are starting to believe. We are starting to believe that they found the key to unlock Trevor Lawrence, that Liam Cohen and the Jet and Selling them have put together a team that is playing for each other, that is fighting for each other, and we are enjoying every single moment of it in Jacksonville.
Okay, and I have to say, and I want to put the rest of the NFL fans on notice. You know, we've been quiet, we've been sitting back, but we've been taking notice of all the smack talk he's been talking after you got beaten by us. You know, that's okay. And like I said. We're coming for it.
We're coming for each of you. We got receipts, okay. And especially, I want to send a shout out to the Bengals fans. It's been a month, okay. It's over.
We had a bite. We spit it out. We didn't like it. Leave us alone, okay. You need to worry about going to overtime with the Tennessee Titans, okay.
But like I said, Rome, it's all good down here in Duval. I'm out. Racker. Felt like something going on in the background. Right, they took the queen.
It started to distract the queen. She had to bounce, but but you got some of that energy, Alvin. Do you have any of the queen's greatest hits before we go to break? I want people that maybe do not know Danica from Jacksonville to know Danica from Jacksonville. Hey, Tendaroni, find me section four three row M C twenty.
Bring a Bible and a seatbelt. I'm out. Tenderones. She wants to wreck tenderones. Bring a Bible and a seatbelt, and she gave you the row and seat number.
Tenderones, and she said they're keeping receipts. Thirty-sixth Tucson, Javi. Quote. We find ways to get our Roman on a rare Friday tailgate for Arizona football. Bear down, go Cats, go!
Let me see the pick. Oh yeah, Javi, my man, love that way to go, bro. There's Spence, there's me, there is their Arizona tailgate. Bear down. Love to see it.
Good looking out, Hobby. Appreciate you. Time Boise. Quote. Can you imagine being in a room with Harbaugh and McVay as a fly on the wall and listening to them talk to each other about their dumpster fire of a team and the sixth sense kid at QB?
No, no. I don't. I don't want. In fact, I don't even want to be in that room. I want to be in the room with Drew.
And Ayuk, and John Lynch, and Lobster Junior, and Pork. That's the room I want to bring it. Be in. Jamie in Green Bay. Good point.
This goes back, but good point. When I mentioned it earlier, Jamie wrote, "We better see Ayuk doing his statement from the stadium parking lot, like Tio did from his driveway back in the day." It kind of has that vibe, doesn't it? Remember To knocking out those crunches in his driveway back in the day?
Now absurd that whole thing was. Get your popcorn ready. Like a show, that that's what this is. It smacks of the exact same thing. Agreed.
Here's a Gaucho, Gaucho six eight eight seven Spencer Tillman, best interview all this week. There was some good ones now. He he was one of the best interviews in many weeks. That was a blast. All right, we'll come back.
I'm looking for ATPs. What up, Gaucho? Always good to see a Gaucho. If you're actually a Gaucho, ATPs. Can you hit me with an ATP or two?
Then Alvy will have his week. There was I can guarantee that. Do not go anywhere. You're listening to the Jim Rome Show. It is time to answer your Ask the Pros question.
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Signed, Doug. Doug, appreciate you. I did it once. They kept telling me, and I kept saying no. And I finally did it.
And was that one winter, maybe three winters ago? There was no snow. There was no snowmobiling. There was no snow. So no, I'm not doing that again.
We're headed back to the beach this year. I'm looking to see. Hi, Jim. Has Jets Buddy arrived yet? What did you name her?
Thanks, Bella B. Bella, we're going to the airport tonight. We're going to the airport tonight.
So the maniac has a little sister. No name yet. Alba, you ready? Take it. Welcome to the jungle.
A tremendous Monday to you. Hope you had a great weekend. Nice to be here. Great to have you here. A lot to get done, so let's get it done.
And where I want to start is with what I consider the game of the year in the NFL: Cowboys v. Cardinals. The most hilarious, most on-brand, most predictable, most enjoyable meltdown in recent NFL memory. All of us. It's all of us.
Don't don't don't put the blame on one person. Why are you trying to back us down? Why are you trying to intimidate us? Hey, don't you worry, whack. We're absolutely blaming all of you chokers.
Why are you calling us cowards? Don't you worry, whack. We're just starting with the coach. My little boy's birthday. He got to see Jerry Jones salty and sour.
Yeah, I'll keep my personal comments and relationships to myself. I'm sorry with you. Spicy. You don't mind. I think I'll keep my personal personal life to myself.
If that's all right with you, you work for some rag now, huh? That makes sense. Why don't we talk about the game? Or Belichick and R. Kelly going on double dates to hunt for young trim?
I'm talking about Lavar Arrington. Always a pleasure to get a chance to chop it up with the Rome man, the goat of the goat of goats, Eric. Costas, he's the reason why this is bad. Three quarterbacks go down in the first half. That's ridiculous.
I got one other thing I want to say here. This program's not built on eternal joy. Just before we go, I got something I want to I want to read here. Tell me how my ass tastes. That's what it seems.
Is it not a little too soon for that? Maybe you actually get into the playoffs before you spike that ball in everybody's face. Williams kicks, throws, touchdown! Smashing the matcha, rocking the block. Wearing the robe, crying on mama's arms.
I'll do it. It obviously works. Hair is looking good. Crashed into him, spilled some of his wine. Wanted to see if it was worth it on my arm, man.
Was I? He another man like me. He's LeBron, but at the end of the day, I threw that cup in the trash and I just got a fresh. LA has been named the ratiest. There's no way we have more rats than New York.
Don't talk back to me, all right? I actually do want to be the champ of the ratiest city in the world. Rat house, rat house, rat house, rat house. Pat Murphy, Pat, I want to go back to Matt Arnold for a minute. Again, no offense to UC Santa Barbara, but you're not quite there yet, Jim.
What do you mean we're not? Yes, we are. I want to tell you, you guys do stick together because Arnold sees anybody from UC Santa Barbara, and you think that he's got a first round. I don't know if it's the ginger in him or what. He had tremendous drive.
Let's go to somebody in Wisconsin. Yeah, just to let you know that we're real glad that we have Murphy. He's going to be around. That's the sound of a quarterback. That was the sound of you meandering down the road.
Junior Lobster, my dude. My brother, what's good? Who we playing this week? Kyle, what up, fam?
Well, where's my man Brock at? Oh snap! Temo's back. Where's Pork at? I have an executive decision.
How about we don't talk about Baby Jessica ever again? I think there should be a splash at the bottom of the well when I say "well." And Alvin says no anvil. It was an abandoned well. Nobody was using it. How do we know nobody was using the well though?
If there was water in the well, then she drowned. This is why you are a hall of famer. I got to go with Alvin on this one. The dry well. I'm better with the anvil on the drop.
If you were a betting man, who is he most likely to fight? Here's what I'm not going to say. I'm not going to give you a name. And then all these idiots. Instagram frigging things out there.
Oh, he said he's fighting him. We've got really good at that on this show. Will you give me a name and all these idiot bloggers put it out there? Exactly. Guys, we're mental.
Beef about anything you want, except for those two or three things that you know not to beef about. Daylight savings time. Who complain? And oh my god, it's getting darker. Oh my, it's dark.
It bones crying. We didn't get a smack off. You didn't skip it. We forfeited it. Dumbass birds that keep going kamikaze my upstairs.
Sliders. My beef is with DoorDashers complaining about their jobs. Yo, bro, what type business can possibly be successful when half the employees are renting e-scooters by the hour, hoping I tip enough for them to get their next hit of fentanyl? You idiots, Kevin, you idiot! I don't have the voice for this anymore.
At this point in my career, you got like five guys filling up potholes. How about you guys get that done? Hey, I got a beef with Noah Bickery's championship coverage. Nah, I'm just playing you both. Damn, Paul, that was awesome.
Really appreciate you. Do I get a rack 'em? Or I mean, I know I'm not a caller, but rack 'em. You can give me the damn smack off, Paul. We'll take Tyler Algier.
And um, shoot, yeah, he was just able to really just do his. What is it, Minshew magic? Is that what people say? That's what it is. Exactly.
We need something for you, my dude. After what you did.
Some Algerian magic. I'll come up with something better. We'll create. We'll create something. Please fire Hall and Marla Humphrey.
I don't even know the name. He's a bump. Because I had TCU the previous week. Boy, these Christians are tough on coaches, man. God bless you.
God love you. Thank God for you, Roman. I don't know why I'm still talking on his voice. This program's not built on eternal joy. Excuse me, built on eternal joy.
Ohio State sucks. It's all good down here in Duval. When you got good role models to chase, you you chase hard and you keep achieving.
So I appreciate you. War me, Lacy. Having it on the smoker in an hour. Peace, love, and mushrooms, everybody out there. Good night now, Mike in Studio City with the live drop.
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Okay, that's how you end the week. My thanks to Jake Plumber. Great job, Snake! But thanks to Spencer Tillman. Great job, Spence!
But thanks to the XR4Ti. Great job, y'all. Clones, good job. Everybody, have an amazing weekend, and we will see you right back here on Monday. See you then.
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