Will You and Your Children Stand Firm?

Will you and your children stand firm? Ken Ham joins us today right here on the Christian Worldview radio program where the mission is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians and to share the good news of Jesus Christ. I'm David Wheaton, the host, and our website is thechristianworldview.org.

With a growing and aggressive segment of America in full-throated opposition to God and those who follow him, the question has become, how can biblical Christians remain faithful and raise their children to do the same? Ken Ham, the founder and president of Answers in Genesis, the Creation Museum, and the Ark Encounter, is our guest this weekend on the Christian Real View. He recently released an important book entitled Will They Stand? Parenting Kids to Face the Giants. Ken's life and ministry is a model in standing firm on the authority of God's word and the gospel, and he shares personal experiences and biblical principles that have shaped him. We are offering Ken's new book, Will They Stand?, as our new featured resource for a donation of any amount to the Christian Real View.

We'll tell you more about that in the program today. But let's start by discussing the court case that captured the attention of the country, which was the conviction on all three counts of Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin for what the jury decided was the murder of George Floyd last year in 2020 that led to all sorts of racial unrest, looting, burning violence all over the country. So what are the big takeaways from the trial of Derek Chauvin, which took place right here in Minneapolis, with the jury rendering their decision just this past week? I think the number one thing to take away from this trial is that the death of George Floyd had absolutely nothing to do with race. It wasn't a white versus black issue, but this is what it was and is made to be all about, is race. The whole pretext for the unrest, the protests, the riots, the burning, the looting, the violence, is that the police and the whole system is racist against blacks. But ironically enough, and very tellingly enough, no allegations in the trial, no witnesses, no evidence in the Chauvin background that Derek Chauvin acted with any racial animus against George Floyd, who was black. Otherwise, it would have been brought out in the court case.

It would have been a actual hate crime. And yet most media, people on the street, and of course the left, keeps blathering on about this is just the beginning of racial justice, there's much more work to do, and on and on and on. But again, there was nothing about race that even entered one moment of the trial. So the assertion that the police are systemically racist and should be abolished and our society is systemically or thoroughly racist against blacks is just a lie. That's not what this case was about. It was about a police officer using too much force against a man that was handcuffed lying face down on the ground.

That's what this was about, whether that was too much force used. So much of this is just blame shifting by both blacks and whites, when the real problem is the disproportionately high crime rate amongst blacks. And that has resulted from the breakdown of the nuclear family amongst the black community. Something like 70% of children are born out of wedlock, there's fatherless homes, rampant abortion, widespread government dependency, all of those things result in chaos and in violence and crime. And by the way, that doesn't just apply to black people, it applies to any skin color, I don't care if you're white or something else, until the family structure improves, nothing is going to change. In fact, it's going to get worse because now the black community has been sold a bill of goods that they somehow have immunity, they're victims of this racial and police persecution.

So even though they may get more power and position through equity programs, even at reparations, it's not going to change anything. The only thing that's going to change the dynamic in our country is regenerated souls through coming to saving faith in Jesus Christ. That changes your life, that changes your worldview, that changes the way you think and the way you behave. And also churches preaching sound doctrine, teaching people the ways and the doctrines of the Lord.

That is where change begins. The second takeaway from this trial was that this was a highly suspect trial, just the way it was structured, with the jury basically being under threat. They should have never have held this trial in Hennepin County, which is the Minneapolis metro area. The jury should for sure have been sequestered and kept from outside media and other information during the trial.

But they weren't. The jury knew about the city of Minneapolis going into the trial just awarding the Floyd family a $27 million settlement, basically in admission of wrongdoing by the police. The jury for sure heard what President Biden said about that he was confident the jury would come to quote the correct decision. The jury knew and likely saw the National Guard and the barricades all around the courthouse and all the threats of riots going on. They likely heard the comments of Congresswoman Maxine Waters saying that people need to be more confrontational. They knew about the other police killing that took place in Brooklyn Center just north of Minneapolis.

So they knew all these things. This kind of highly compromised environment, you can't hold a fair trial on that. This trial should have been moved out of the county, maybe even to another state. The third takeaway is that Derek Chauvin should have been convicted, but I think he was over convicted.

Based on the evidence presented, and I watch much of the closing arguments made by both sides. Derek Chauvin, the police officer, used way too much force. George Floyd was a handcuffed person.

He was prone on his stomach, on the pavement. Chauvin had his knee on the back of his neck. Floyd was no threat at that point. We don't know why Chauvin stayed on top of him for so long. Who knows whether he was overtaxed after this long interaction with George Floyd, whether it's the bystanders yelling at him or what it was, why he stayed on him when he was handcuffed on the ground.

But we do know that the long interaction led up to this, that Floyd was acting in a very unhinged manner. He resisted getting into the police car. He was a very large man. He was suspected of being on drugs.

All that being said, George Floyd didn't have to die that day. He was on drugs. He had a fatal dose of drugs, according to some of the witnesses. He had heart problems, but it's still a stretch to say he died of a drug overdose and that the knee in the back of his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds had nothing to do with his death.

I think you could say that the stress of the whole situation, being on drugs, his heart situation, knee in the back of the neck, all of that led to his demise. But as far as the charges go, he was accused of three counts, second degree murder, third degree murder, and second degree manslaughter. And he was convicted on all three charges.

So what are the differences between those three? I think it's important to understand, to make the statement that I did, that he should have been convicted, but was over convicted. ABC News had a explanation of the various charges made against him and second degree unintentional murder.

They say it's also called felony murder. To prove this count, prosecutors had to show that Chauvin killed Floyd while committing or trying to commit a felony, in this case, third degree assault. They didn't have to prove Chauvin intended to kill Floyd, only that he intended to apply unlawful force that caused bodily harm. Now, I think it's a stretch to say that he intended to apply unlawful force that caused bodily harm.

He perhaps did do that, but whether he intended to do that, I didn't see evidence in the case that that was his intention of why he had his knee in the back of his neck. So I think that particular conviction went too far. The next count against him was third degree murder.

ABC News writes about that, describing what that is. For this count, jurors must find Chauvin caused Floyd's death through an action that was, quote, eminently dangerous and carried out with a reckless disregard for and conscious indifference to the loss of life. Now, I think this is certainly possible that he carried this out with reckless disregard for and conscious indifference to the loss of life. That's certainly a possible conviction in this particular case. The third charge, what about second degree manslaughter? Prosecutors had to show that Chauvin caused Floyd's death through culpable negligence that created an unreasonable risk and that he consciously took the chance of causing severe injury or death.

Now, I think this particular one is quite likely. That's really what he did. He was culpable negligence in policing to have a handcuffed man on his stomach with your knee in the back of his neck for that long. That particular charge, I think, is warranted against Derek Chauvin.

So yes to the third count, maybe to the second count, third degree murder, and it's a stretch, the first count, to get second degree unintentional murder. The last thing I'll say from a takeaway from this particular trial is that you can expect more violence in racial division as a result of this, not less. The murder rate in Minneapolis has about doubled since this particular time last year.

Violent crime is way up, and this is the same in other cities across the country. As I watched the trial and the message that it sends and all the other officer-involved shootings and so forth, no matter if it's justified, police are immediately vilified for using deadly force in situations where it's definitely called for. And so you have to ask the question, why would anyone want to be a police officer, especially in a black area where no matter what happens, even this past week, a police officer saved a young girl from being stabbed.

He shot the person that was attacking her, what was seen as someone who didn't do his job, who was, you know, here's another example of police murder of a black person. Who would want to be a police officer where you really can't do what you know you're supposed to do as a police officer and save someone's life? I mean, your city leaders, at least here in Minneapolis, want you defunded. They don't support you. And then you have to get up in the morning, leave your home and your wife or husband and your children and go off to work and risk your life every day and worry about not going home to your family.

I can't imagine who'd want to be a police officer. No one is that altruistic, that they're willing to lose their life and family in a situation where no one supports them. So just in summary, this whole situation is going to cause more violence, more division. This movement, Black Lives Matter, it's all of the carnal flesh, the critical race theory, racist worldview, will further divide people and it's going to lead to more racism, not less. The solution here is a spiritual one over and above all else.

Yes, there can be improvements in policing and everything else. But ultimately, there is a unbiblical delusion that has captured the minds of so many in this nation that is really tearing it apart. Which segues into our conversation with Ken Ham. I spoke to Ken this week about his new book, Will They Stand? And it's a book about parenting and the issues that are in opposition to a biblical worldview and how we can stand firm in the midst of a culture that's in complete opposition and aggressively against Christians in a biblical worldview.

Ken, it's great to have you back on the program. We're really excited about your new book, Will They Stand? And I think what I like most about the book, aside from the fact that you give so many biblical principles throughout the book about parenting and marriage and raising children and education and all these different things in the book, is that you give such a personal look into your own life story with your own parents and your own children and grandchildren and your experiences along the way with pictures and so forth. I just really thought that added so much to the book.

But I want to start out from just the very beginning in the preface where Avery Foley writes the preface. He's a writer and speaker with Answers in Genesis. He brings up some statistics.

94% of Belgian doctors support after birth abortions for babies born with disabilities. He mentions Pennsylvania district mandates white supremacy lessons for kindergartners. He goes on to the drag queen story hour and all these different hot button issues going on in our society. And he says, by the time you read this, those headlines I just read will be forgotten, replaced by even more startling, more extreme headlines as our Western culture dives deeper into the abyss of depravity. And Ken, as I think about what's taken place in our country over the last year, let's say with COVID-19, racial unrest, a very hotly contested election, lockdowns, churches closed, speech suppression, like we've never seen it in this country, complete media bias. And now the President Biden presidency, one of the first things he did was the order for transgenderism. Do you sense, and I know you're keenly aware of these kinds of things, you write about it frequently, do you sense an increase in God rejection that really began to gain momentum or gain acceleration in last year and 2020 has continued into this year?

And if you do, why now? When we look at all these issues, and as Avery said in that particular preface, that we're going to see other headlines and we're going to see things even worse, we've got to stand back and say, now what is really going on here? Because I think a lot of people, what they tend to do is focus on these as all individual problems, but they're not individual problems. They're actually all the same problem.

They're different symptoms of the problem. And what we need to do as Christians is to be able to analyze, okay, what is the problem then? And the problem really comes down to this. The problem comes down to the fact that a battle began in the garden 6,000 years ago and there's a battle between God's word and man's word. Adam, you obey my word and don't eat the fruit of the tree. Whereas the devil came and said, did God really say, in other words, don't believe God's word. And so this battle is really between a worldview built on God's word and a worldview built on man's word. And that's what's important for us to understand. And so when you're looking at the worldview clash we see happening right before our very eyes from what we would expect as Christians, what's right, what's wrong, what's good, what's bad, who determines truth. And we're seeing a clash with those who are saying that they can do this or that.

And so it goes on. We're seeing an increase in moral relativism because we're seeing an increase in the younger generations who have abandoned the foundation of the word of God. You know, if you go back in history, you know, America has never been a Christian nation. You can't say any nation has been a truly Christian nation, but it's been very Christianized.

The whole Western world has been very Christianized. And if you look at America, you know, many of the founding fathers were Christians, but those that weren't, they still had a Judeo-Christian ethic that came out of the Bible. And so therefore, you know, when you looked at the culture as a whole, even if people weren't Christians, they would still think marriage was a man and a woman and abortion was wrong and there were two genders, male and female. But as you have generations now that have abandoned God's word, in fact, what's happened through the education system, the media, through universities and so on, generations have been taught there is no God, the Bible is not true, science has disproved the Bible, and 90-95% of kids from church homes have gone to public schools where this is what they've been taught because any veneer of Christianity really has been ripped out of the public schools. I mean, for the older generations, there was a veneer of Christianity.

You know, the Bible was there in the public schools and people were allowed to hear about creation and they adopted more of a Christian morality and you could sing Christmas carols and have prayer at assembly or prayer on graduation night or something like that, but that's all gone. And the more we've seen those generations who've been raised up with a foundation that man determines truth, and many of those that went to church have come to our churches and been told, you don't need to believe Genesis, doesn't matter, you can believe what you're taught at school, just trust in Jesus. Well, you can't impose the Christian message on top of people who have the wrong foundation for it, they'll end up building a new worldview consistent with their foundation, and you can describe it this way, Judges 21-25, when there's no king, when there's no absolute authority, everyone does what is right in his own eyes. We're looking at a generational change that has occurred, and I believe the church is very much at fault for what has happened, for not raising up generations standing on God's word beginning in Genesis, and that generational change that has occurred, we now have Generation Z as a post-Christian generation, and moral relativism permeating the culture, and so now what happens is anything goes except the absolutes of Christianity, it's a worldview clash of the secular worldview versus a truly Christian worldview.

So what we're looking at are the symptoms of a problem, and the problem is we now have younger generations that have been really taught to build their thinking on man's word, not God's word. The Christian Worldview with David Wheaton returns in just a moment. David Wheaton here to tell you about Samaritan Ministries, a biblical solution to healthcare. The so-called Affordable Care Act led to a nearly doubling of our health insurance premium, and then the provider canceled our plan. What was that about, if you like your plan you can keep it? Frankly, we never liked our health insurance plan with its high cost and limited choice. We had heard about Christian medical sharing and decided to look into Samaritan Ministries, which is a community of Christians sharing each other's medical bills. If you think that is too good to be true, then I urge you to look into it for yourself. We have been Samaritan members for many years now, through several health needs, and couldn't be more pleased.

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Your email is and mailing address will never be shared, and you can unsubscribe at any time. Call 1-888-646-2233 or visit thechristianworldview.org. Welcome back to The Christian Worldview. Be sure to visit our website, thechristianworldview.org, where you can subscribe to our free weekly email and annual print newsletter, order resources for adults and children, and support the ministry. Now, back to today's program with host David Wheaton. Ken Ham with us today on The Christian Worldview, the founder and president of Answers in Genesis. Their website is answersingenesis.org. We're talking about his book, his excellent book, Will They Stand, brand new book. The subtitle is Parenting Kids to Face the Giants, and we are offering this book as our new current resource offer from The Christian Worldview for a donation of any amount to the ministry.

Just get in touch with us the usual ways. Go into our website, thechristianworldview.org, or our toll-free number is 1-888-646-2233. This is a 312-page hardcover book. It retails for $19.99, and for a limited time we're offering it to you for a donation of any amount to The Christian Worldview. You mentioned the church in your last answer, Ken, about the church's response to what's going on. What should the response be by the church with regards to meeting this opposition today? Even during the COVID lockdown, the racial unrest and so forth, churches had very different responses.

Some decided, we're not going to meet in person, let's comply, let's go along with it, let's just meet online, let's not be very divisive on these touchy issues. Or some churches really have jumped in with both feet to the whole racial narrative of systemic racism in this country. I know one of your speakers, Terry Mortensen, recently spoke at a church down in Arkansas, and they were apologizing after he left for taking a stand on creationism and sexual issues and so forth and so on. So what should the church's response be? The bottom line is the church, by and large, is a big mess out there.

And there's a lot of lukewarm churches. And really what has happened, I think, is that in this particular era, and I keep harping on this, but we've got to look at what happened. In this era, something began to happen in the 1800s.

And I would call this era from the 1800s to the present. We are now looking at the logical consequence of what started to happen. And that was in the 1800s, there were atheists who obviously don't believe the Bible and don't believe in God's word, who wanted to explain everything by natural processes. And so they said the fossil record was laid down over millions of years. Now we've got to understand the idea of millions of years in our modern world came out of naturalism, the religion of atheism. And so then what happened was there were Christian leaders that said, oh, we'll take the millions of years and put in a gap between Genesis 1 and 1 and 1 and 2, and so the gap theory. Oh, we'll put in the days of creation, the day age theory. Long comes Darwin. We'll take Darwin and say God used evolution and the Big Bang. Oh, we'll say God used the Big Bang. And right through the churches today and our Christian colleges and Bible colleges are all these different positions on Genesis.

Now, why is that relevant? Well, this has been happening, particularly since the 1800s, and much of the church has abandoned teaching Genesis 1 to 11. But Genesis 1 to 11 is the foundation for marriage, for gender, for why you wear clothes, for the gospel. In fact, it's the foundation for every doctrine. It's a foundation for the rest of the Bible.

It's a foundation for your whole world view. And if you think back to Genesis chapter three, when the devil came to Eve and said, did God really say? The Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 11 three says, beware, the devil is going to use the same method on us as he did on Eve to get us to position and not believing the things of God.

What was the method he used? The Genesis three attack was to create doubt in regard to the Word of God. In other words, there's always going to be an attack on the Word of God. And what's happened in this era is that much of the church has succumbed to the attack on Genesis 1 to 11, abandoned that, as most of the kids from church homes have gone to the public schools and taught an atheistic view now because they've ripped the veneer of Christianity out. And it's basically just atheism and LGBT worldview and Marxism, critical race theory, all that sort of stuff is forced on them. They come to our churches and a lot of our churches are responded by saying, let's have a lot more music and let's have more entertainment and trust in Jesus and, you know, touchy feely stuff.

We haven't taken the stand. We should have on God's Word from the beginning, taught them a truly Christian worldview, equipped them with answers, apologetics to defend the Christian faith. And much of the church has not also been taught to understand there's no neutrality. You know, people have the idea today that, oh, if you're not a Christian, you're neutral. But the Bible says the heart of man is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. We are depraved as human beings.

We are sinful people. And we've got this idea that, oh, if you don't believe in God, you're not religious. I mean, atheists have arbitrarily said, oh, if you believe in God and go to church, that's religion. They don't believe in God. That's not religion.

That's not true. Everyone has a worldview. Everyone has a religion. And I think in even trying to deal with these issues like abortion and gay marriage and the gender issues and and racism and so on, many Christians have the idea, if I bring up the Bible, that means I'm religious and biased. So I'm not going to bring up the Bible.

I'm going to try to deal with these another way. But the problem is, if you don't stand on God's Word as the foundation for your worldview, you've already lost the battle. And so I believe there's been a great lack of training in our churches to stand on God's Word from the beginning to have a truly Christian worldview, be equipped to defend the Christian faith. And much of the church has resorted to a lot of entertainment and music focused features in their churches.

I see that I've spoken in all 50 states in America, spoken in hundreds of churches, and I see the patterns. And one of the patterns is decrease the teaching of the Word of God, increase music entertainment from the front. But they're not teaching apologetics. They're not teaching foundations. They're not teaching Christian worldview, which is what we do at Answers in Genesis through the I Can Counter the Creation Museum, through our curricula and so on. And as a result, we have generations who started to realize, the younger generations, you know, if the Bible is not true in Genesis, how can be true anywhere else?

I'm not getting answers to my questions. Can you really trust Christianity? I mean, how can there be a loving God with all the death and suffering in the world? Hasn't science disproved the Bible? And as those generations have then left the church, and church attendance for the younger generations is down to about 11%, whereas for the older generations, you know, those born before 19, 28, 56% of them went to church. And so down through the ages, we've seen this generational loss from the church. So we have to ask ourselves, how has the church failed in that way? Now, don't get me wrong, there are thousands of churches that use Answers in Genesis material, but they're a minority. And the majority of our churches and the majority of our Christian colleges and seminaries have in a way paved the way for this change that has occurred, because they have allowed generations to be captured by the world and tried to add some sort of Christian ideas into their thinking instead of taking a stand on God's Word from the beginning to raise them up as we should have filled with biblical salt to be able to be witnesses for the Lord out there. Ken Ham with us today on the Christian Real View, the author of a brand new excellent book called Will They Stand? We have it available as our new current offer here from the Christian Real View. Ken is the founder and president of Answers in Genesis, a fantastic, biblically based, God-glorifying, gospel-exalting ministry. AnswersinGenesis.org is their website.

He's also the founder and president of the popular attractions of the Creation Museum and the Ark Encounter. Ken, you mentioned in your last answer, you talked about critical race theory and how that has not only taken hold broadly in our society for sure, but it also has taken hold amongst churches on Christian campuses and in high Christian schools and so forth. This last week we saw here in Minneapolis the conviction of Derek Chauvin for his part in the death of George Floyd. This is what started all the racial unrest last summer here in the United States. The students were staging walkouts, there were protests on Christian college campuses against racial injustice.

What do you think the impact of critical race theory is, which is based on Marxism? What impact is that having on—we know it's having a big impact on the younger generation, just the secular generation—but how much of an impact is that having on Christian students, whether in high school or college? If the church hasn't laid the right foundation in regard to history—who we are, where we came from, what our problem is—how can they have a worldview that is one consistent with what we should have as Christians? And that's part of the problem, because much of the church hasn't taught the history in the Bible as they should have, because we haven't taken a stand on that.

Then they don't understand how to look at these particular issues. See from a big picture perspective, you know, who are we? Where we come from? Well, if you take Genesis 1 to 11, take that history, we're descendants of Adam and Eve. If we're all descendants of Adam and Eve, what does that mean? It means there's only one race.

There aren't any different races. And one of the things that's been happening is that we see people talking about the different races and looking particularly with an emphasis on the outside. You know, I'm reminded in 1 Samuel 6, when Samuel came to anoint the king, and he looked at one of David's brothers, and he looked on the outside. And by looking on the outside, he said, oh, you know, he's—well, you can imagine him saying he's tall, handsome, strong, on the football team or something. Well, you know, maybe not back then, but you know what I mean. And he's going to be the king.

And remember what God said to him, that he's not going to be the king, because man looks on the outside, but God looks on the heart. And you see, that's the thing that we need to stand back and understand. What, with this whole critical race theory, what has been happening is that, you know, certain people are being classified in a particular way, you know, those that are oppressed and those that the oppressors, so that, you know, if you have dark skin, you're the oppressed. If you have light skin, you're the oppressors.

It doesn't matter who you are, you're just going to be that way. And we see all these sorts of things happening in our culture. And then, by the way, just from an interesting perspective of genetics, there are no black people and there are no white people. We have a pigment called melanin in our skin. Malin is a brown pigment and we're all shades of brown, you know, and the differences on the outside, I mean, it's incredible when you actually get down to looking at it, the differences genetically that are on the outside are a fraction of our overall genetics. And so that they're really minor differences.

We make them major. I mean, differences in nose shape, eye shape, head shape, you know, chin shape or whatever, you know, those differences are no different than differences in skin shade that we have. It's all part of just a little bit of our genetics reflected on the outside. But again, if you haven't been taught the right foundation from God's Word, that we're all descendants of Adam and Eve, that means we're all sinners. That means the solution for all of us is the gospel of Jesus Christ. Because of the Tower of Babel, God gave different languages forming different people groups. And, you know, over time, people have done all sorts of things that are wrong.

It doesn't matter who they are. And there's certainly, you know, when people look at our culture today, and they're talking about systemic racism, and so on, it's basically saying that, you know, the whole culture is bad, and it's all going to be changed and rejected. And so really, what it comes down to is a rebellion against God's Word. And certainly, Christians can be inconsistent, just like anybody else.

But that's not the point. The point is, each one of us needs to answer to God for who we are, and what our behavior is. And we need to judge what we believe and say against the Word of God. If you think about what God teaches us as Christians, it's to love your neighbor as yourself. By grace, you're saved through faith is not of yourself, it is a gift of God. You can't work to save yourself. I mean, we can't pay reparations to God for the great injustice of when we rebelled against him.

He's the one that paid it for us. And a lot of what's being taught today with this critical race theory and systemic racism, and so on, is really a works-based sort of salvation, in a sense. It's a different gospel. It's an anti-gospel, so to speak. And it's certainly not the gospel that's going to save us. And again, they're trying to treat certain symptoms in certain areas.

I'm not saying there hasn't been racism, I'm not saying there isn't racism. I mean, if there are unjust laws, we need to change them, and so on. But you're never going to deal with all these things until man recognizes that we're sinners, and that we need to submit before a holy God, repent of our sin, and we need to trust his word. And then if we build our thinking on God's word to find out who we truly are, and what God says about how we should approach others and what our behavior should be, I mean, that's the solution.

In other words, the answer is always being God's word and the gospel, and to see us saved. But, you know, many churches will say, well, we've taught that, but you haven't taught it the way we should have. And we haven't taught foundationally, starting from Genesis, and we haven't taught them to think correctly and equip them with answers to all these issues. Many churches will still talk about different races and black people and white people because they compromise with evolutionary ideas. Then they don't stand up and say, listen, we all come from Adam and Eve, we're all one race.

We're all, we're all sinners before a holy God. And even issues of equality, you know, and I talk about this in the book as well. Man and woman were created differently. Adam was created from dust, woman from his side, and we're given different roles. We're to submit to each other and the roles God has given us, but we're not equal in roles, we're not equal in our biology, we're different, we're not equal in the way we were created, we're different. Again, we've got to stop allowing the world to influence our thinking. We've got to stop from God's word.

Very well said. Ken Ham with us today on the Christian worldview. We're talking about his brand new book, Will They Stand? Ken has written 36 books. This is his latest, Parenting Kids to Face the Giants is the subtitle. It's a 312 page hardcover, retails for $19.99. We're offering it for a donation of any amount to the Christian worldview.

You can get in contact with us the usual ways through our website or calling us toll free at 1-888-646-2233. Really enjoyed the book. Okay, that is just the first half of the interview with Ken Ham.

We couldn't fit the entire interview in the program today, so we'll play the second half next week. The Christian worldview with David Wheaton returns in just a moment. I struggled with my identity all the way through my life.

Lived eight years as Lord Jensen until I found the Lord Jesus Christ. The issues are unavoidable. They're on the news. The White House in rainbow colors. They're in our legislation. The Texas bathroom bill. In our schools.

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Short takes are also available and be sure to share with others. Now back to today's program with host David Wheaton. In the remaining time we have today, I wanted to play an interview with Joel Noble, the director of public policy with Samaritan Ministries International. Samaritan Ministries is the really excellent healthcare, Christian healthcare sharing ministry that our family has been a member of for many years, and they are now a sponsor of the Christian worldview radio program.

So I wanted to introduce them to you because what has been just a wonderful experience for our family, we wanted to share with you. I'm sure that some of you will be very interested to hear how Samaritan Ministries can help you as well from a healthcare standpoint. Here's the conversation with Joel Noble, director of public policy from Samaritan Ministries International. How would you explain or maybe simplify what healthcare sharing is to someone who has never heard of it or had knows little about it? So it is a non-insurance approach to caring for medical needs.

So a practical example is I have four boys, each of those boys all the way from 18 down to six were born as I was a member of Samaritan. And we had a handful of bills, hospital bills, my wife's doctor bills, and we submitted those to the ministry and then they assigned enough people to send to us to take care of those bills. So I got personal checks in the mail. Now more recently when we have needs, I get it through PayPal and I take those funds and I go and pay the provider.

But then each month I'm responsible as a member to send to the person I'm assigned to. So I either write them a check or send through PayPal directly to that person. And so I know what their medical need is. I know how to be praying for them.

And then on the other end, that person has a list of everyone's sending to them so they know where that money's coming from. Samaritan says that they operate exactly how they promise on the front end. How was Samaritan Ministries different than like health insurance?

So one of the big key differences is there's no providers and the members are completely in control of their healthcare dollars. An example I like to use going back to my kids, one of them one night crawled into bed and they failed to tell us that earlier in the day they'd broken a light bulb and there was a lot of that glass in his bed. And so he crawled in there and unfortunately cut his leg open about 1030 at night. So we leave, in this case, we had to go to the emergency room being the late night. I literally had the choice on our main street to turn left to go to one hospital or right to the other.

I knew one of the hospitals had a dedicated pediatric ER for kids to keep them separate from maybe some of the other needs that may be happening late at night downtown. And so I chose that one and I was completely in control and I was able to make that choice based on what was best for my family. So that is a really a key difference. Just the control that the members have over their healthcare dollars.

And on top of that, by cutting out the middleman and directly member to member, it is a lot more affordable. Joel Noble with us today on the Christian Royal View from Samaritan Ministries International. He is their director of public policy. You can find out more about Samaritan by going to our website, thechristianrealview.org and just click on the Samaritan Ministries banner there. Or we have a dedicated number you can call 1-877-691-1625.

And I will give that number again as we go. So for someone listening, who is Samaritans for? Who isn't it for? So I would say it's for anybody that is a Christian. We are faith based. There is some faith requirements that the members are going to sign off on. I would say it's possibly not for someone that doesn't want to have control of their own health care. So there is some action you have to take as a member.

You're going to be having to talk to your doctor, be able to explain, I don't have insurance, you need to bill me directly. And there's some folks that are very ingrained into health insurance and like to be able to just present a card, walk away not thinking anything about it. You know, it's a step of faith for a lot of people, but a lot of people after they make that step of faith never want to go back. And that would be me. I've been a member for many years. And I can tell you the I like it that you can select your own doctor.

There's no networks. I like it that I go and I say I don't have medical insurance, please bill me directly. You get a discount almost all the time when you do that. You're dealing directly with your health care provider and then you have Samaritan members writing you notes, praying for you and contributing to the payment of your medical bills without the health insurance dynamic of super high premiums and super high deductibles and restrictions on where you can get medical care. Just from a cost standpoint, talk about that, Joel, from a purely a cost standpoint, how much better Samaritan is for a family up to a family of seven is five hundred and thirty dollars for a larger family over seven. It's only five hundred and fifty five dollars. And so I've been out of the insurance market now for 20 years. But when I left, what my option was was about eleven hundred dollars a month.

And that was 20 years ago. I imagine now it's, you know, for my family of six is probably closer, you know, to fifteen hundred even, you know, two thousand dollars. And so health care sharing like Samaritan is just a fraction of that cost. And, you know, for a lot of folks, they find you can almost buy a reasonable car, you know, every couple of years on what you're saving. And but most people don't need to do that.

But it's definitely a cost savings. What about the issue of preexisting conditions? Someone out there who's got a preexisting condition maybe has had cancer, has had something go on in their medical history.

Where do they stand with Samaritan? So we don't shut anybody out based on a preexisting condition, but enable to keep that monthly share low. We do need to limit how we share preexisting. And so there's some conditions like cancer or diabetes to where you need to be symptom or treatment free for a number of years before we can start sharing most other needs. If your symptom or treatment free for 12 months, we consider that arrested will be able to share that need just like a regular need.

But for the things that are preexisting, they're not shareable. We still do have what we call special prayer need. And our members give above and beyond their monthly share to those type of needs to help out. And so we have found that, you know, members, again, take that step of faith, come in, even with a preexisting condition that they know won't be shareable, you know, trusting that they're going to be able to, you know, stop treatment on that or they're going to be symptom free. And then if it ever does come back in the future to be able to share. But even if it does, they find the cost savings. They're able to shift that over to take care of that preexisting need on their own.

And then the things that aren't preexisting are shareable among the members. No question like that. For specifics, if you want to drill down, just go to our website, the Christian Real View dot org, click on the Samaritan Ministries banner on our site. And I'll take you to more information or just better yet, we have a dedicated number for Christian Real View listeners to talk to someone from Samaritans. The toll free number is 1-877-691-7200.

And again, Jill Noble with us today on the Christian Real View, the Director of Public Policy for Samaritan Ministries International. Let's just talk about the actual experience of when a medical need arises. You mentioned your son who got cut. You chose to go to the hospital of your choice. You go to the hospital, you see the doctor, or you go up to the front desk, they ask you to see your insurance card. You say, I am self-pay, typically what you say. And so the bill, there's a discount, the bill sent directly to you, you submit it to Samaritan.

So tell us about how it works from there. Like you said, you just present yourself as a cash pay or self-pay patient, and then they're going to send you the bill directly. Those bills start to come in. And even before the bills start to come in, you can either call into the office and they'll mail you what's called a need processing form, or you can go through our dashboard, which is like the number, you know, online experience, download that form.

And it's just a one page front and back form where you're going to put your information on there. You're going to list out the bills that you've received or going to receive, and then how the members can be praying for you. And then you'll submit that along with your original itemized bills into the office. They process that, and then you'll start to receive shares from the other members in 30 to 60 days. So the time differences is just depending on when you receive it, when we receive it in the month. For example, if they were to send in a need today near the end of April, that'll be shared in June. If they were to submit that the first part of May, that would be shared in July.

So depending on if you submit it at the end of the month or the beginning of the month, that's the difference between that 30 or 60 days. Again, Joel Noble with us today on the Christian Real View talking about Samaritan Ministries International. What if someone has a very large need, something like a cancer treatment or open heart surgery or a transplant, organ transplant? Are these larger type of needs shared by fellow Samaritan members?

Yeah, they are. So we've seen needs well into the hundreds of thousands, sometimes even approaching a million. And the one thing we find with that is, given that large need, the providers are definitely open to discounting that. Because when you can explain to them, you know, on a million dollar need, you know, will you take, you know, 500,000? Will you take 750,000 if I pay within 30 or 60 days? They're definitely going to be open to that because they realize a large need.

They want to take what they can get. And so if you're able to present them with a reasonable amount, they're going to take that. So we find those large needs are often discounted pretty significantly. But even if they're not, I mean, again, we've shared needs well into the hundreds of thousands. I think the last time I looked, it was around 750,000 was our largest need.

And it's possible that, you know, something has eclipsed that since the last time I looked. But I know for sure that we had at least one need that was 750,000. And it was shared, you know, completely by the members. Well, Jill, thank you so much for coming on the program today. And for all the great work you and the rest of Samaritan Ministries International does to provide just a vital, important and excellent service for its members. We highly recommend listeners go to our website, theChristianrealview.org. Just click on the Samaritan Ministries banner there or give them a call directly with our Christian Real View dedicated line 1-877-691-1625. And I'll repeat that one more time, toll free 1-877-691-1625. All right, we covered a wide range of topics today on the Christian Real View from the conviction of Derek Chauvin in the death of George Floyd, to a very interesting conversation with Ken Ham. He's one of our favorites here on the program.

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