Allah save the king. has Britain committed societal suicide? That is the topic we'll discuss today right here on the Christian Worldview Radio Program. where the mission is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians. and to proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ.
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financial support. in lifting us up. in prayer. For nearly 1500 years, Britain has been a Christian nation. Roman Catholic for centuries found followed by Protestants since the Reformation in the 16th century.
In fact, the nation has an official Christian church. The Church of England. Britain is known for some of the most impactful preachers, such as John Knox in Scotland, John Bunyan of Pilgrim's Progress. Charles Spurgeon. William Booth of the Salvation Army, and Martin Lloyd Jones, and many more.
It would not be an overstatement to say that Britain Was the seat of Protestant Christianity. several centuries.
So it is hard to understand. How a nation Known for its Christianity, which impacted so many nations around the world. is so willing to throw it all away. Over the last twenty years or so, Britain has welcomed millions of Muslims. Into its land, to the point that the most common birth name in England is.
Mohammed Nine major cities, including London, have Islamic mayors. Muslims openly call for jihad in Sharia law. On the streets of England. And Muslim gangs have raped English girls for years while the government covered it up. for fear of creating quote Islamophobia.
Jeannie Bambrick is a pastor and well-known YouTuber. In Belfast, Northern Ireland, which is one of the four nations that comprise the United Kingdom. England, Wales, and Scotland are the other three. Jamie joins us to discuss the societal suicide that is taking place, particularly in England. and how Christians in America need to be aware and vigilant of what is taking place here.
For example, New York City, the cultural and financial hub of our country, is set to elect a communist Muslim to be mayor. His name is Zoran Mamdani. The same thing is taking place here in Minneapolis with potentially electing a Muslim mayor as well. Jamie will also report on how other liberties are being restricted in England. With arrests for social media posts or praying outside abortion clinics.
to a national ID card called Brit card. which will allow government to track and control your life and movement. Let's get straight to the first segment of the interview with Jamie Bambrick. Jamie, it's great to have you back on the Christian Worldview Radio program. You've had some changes in your life and ministry since the last time we talked many months ago.
Tell us what's going on in your life now. I am still an associate pastor at a church here in Northern Ireland, so associate pastor at a church called Hope Church in Craig Avon. It has been wonderful actually over the last 18 months. We've almost doubled actually as a church in terms of Sunday attendance, which is just remarkable. People coming in from all walks of life and many coming to faith, which is really, really exciting.
Doing my YouTube channel, which I do regularly and has also been growing, which is fantastic to see. And then I've been working on a project with an organization called Decision Point, which we may talk about at some point in this conversation. And we actually just have a book coming out literally today at the time of recording.
So that's really exciting as well.
So lots going on, all very exciting and going in a good direction. That's great to hear. And we will talk about this book. It's a book for teens and young adults on evangelism and apologetics.
So we'll get to that later in the conversation. It's titled Set Free. Let's start out with what's going on in the UK, the British Isles, specifically England, with regards to the Islamic immigration issue that's been going on for years and the many different dynamics that takes place with that. I want to start out by playing a soundbite of recent message by President Trump. He was speaking, I believe, to the European Union.
Here's what he had to say. Europe is in serious trouble. They've been invaded by a force of illegal aliens like nobody's ever seen before. Illegal aliens are pouring into Europe. Nobody has ever, and nobody's.
doing anything to change it, to get him out. It's not sustainable. And because they choose to be politically correct, They're doing just absolutely nothing about it. And I have to say I look at London where you have a terrible mare, terrible mayor. And it's been so changed.
So changed.
Now they want to go to Sharia law. But you're in a different country. You can't do that. Both the immigration and their suicidal energy ideas will be the death of Western Europe. If something is not done immediately, they cannot This cannot be sustained.
Europe is in serious trouble. Okay, Jimmy, that was quite a strong statement. From President Trump to Europe about the fact that they've allowed so many Muslims into their nations. over the last few decades. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
The number one Baby name in England is Muhammad. I believe the number two baby name is Yaya. after Yahya Sinwar, the A Hamas leader. Number one and two in England. A guy named Paul Golding wrote that nine major UK cities have Muslim mayors, including.
London Birmingham? Leeds, Blackburn, Sheffield, Oxford, Luton, Aldham in Rochdale. Hope I'm pronouncing the last one right. Rod still, yeah. And you wrote In a recent podcast.
Post on X, police will arrest Christians. for silently praying in the wrong spot. This is in England. But will overlook open threats of violence so long as it's a Muslim doing it. If the purpose of a system is what it does, The purpose of the British police is the Islamification of Britain.
Now, sometimes, Jamie, we get reports over here. We see things on social media that maybe don't exactly represent the situation on the ground. In England, and maybe in broader Europe as well, France, Germany, and so forth. But just specifically deal with. England.
It seems that there's been some sort of tipping point that potentially has been crossed in England now. where it's going to be impossible To go back to sort of the traditional Christian England. Is that accurate, or what is your assessment? Yes, so certainly we have crossed a important marker, I think, which is that with the change of government, which we had last summer, we went from a Conservative government to the Labour government.
Now, the Conservative government are massively responsible for this, so this is not by any means to get them off the hook. In fact, when Boris Johnson was elected in order to enact Brexit in a landslide election victory, what he did was, yes, we did manage to get Brexit done, but he then unleashed what's called the Boris wave of mass immigration. And just one little point of clarification, or where I would differ from Donald Trump, is that it's actually not so much the illegal immigration. This is being done legally, where we're handing out literally close to 1 million visas per year for people from all over the world to come and live in the United Kingdom, most of whom have no legitimate reason to be in the country. And they're not, for instance, a net positive to the economy of the country, and many of whom are Islamic in their religious ideologies.
So, yes, there is a real challenge there. In terms of a tipping point, we went from that Conservative government to a Labour government, and the only difference really between the two is that the Labour government is not saying that they are against it. The Conservative government made noises about lowering immigration and felt that that was part of their mandate. The Labour Government is very, very clear that they are going to keep this going. And that they're very for mass and completely uncontrolled legal immigration and are also clamping down very hard on what they're terming Islamophobia, which is not sort of people running around attacking Muslims, but it's really anybody expressing a disagreement or concern over the levels of Islamic immigration.
So Jamie, what about the second part of the question? as to whether this is reversible at this point. I don't think it's completely irreversible, but it is certainly irreversible without a massive, significant and likely very challenging government. process of some sort to stand against this.
So at present in the United Kingdom, it may not sound like that many, but I'll explain the terms and the stats in a little bit. At present, something like between six and seven percent officially of the UK population is Muslim. That may not sound like that much, but it has doubled in the last decade and is growing even more rapidly. Also, I think that those stats are probably lowballing that number by quite a little bit. It certainly seems that there are a lot more people here than the official government statistics would indicate.
But furthermore, if you look at a country like Lebanon, so Lebanon was a Christian country in the Middle East. Still is in the Middle East, obviously, but it was Christian, and it was overthrown by a radical Islamic movement. while the Muslims of that country only made up about 13 to 14% of the population. When you have a voting block That operates in unison, which the Muslim population of the United Kingdom does, as they do in most countries in the world, at least where they are in the minority, then you have. the potential for significant political influence just by virtue of them being a unified bloc.
The Labour government, for instance, I don't want to draw this answer for too much longer, but let me give one little sort of analogy that's helpful. The Labour government won in a landslide vote here last summer. They won a massive electoral majority in the House of Commons. And they did so really with only 20% of the electorates actually voting for them because we have what's called a first-past-the-post system. If you get 20% of the votes, but all the other candidates get 12, 13, then you get the seat and then you get a massive majority.
It's not reflected, the percentages of the population that vote and how they vote is not reflected in our parliamentary system.
So it's very, very possible that with something like 13, 14% of the population, you could end up in what is a legitimately governmentally and politically Islamic country in the not too distant future. And most estimates. would say that the UK really has a couple of decades left before that is a real possibility. That is just hard to even fathom. The Church of England, a Christian country, the Reformation.
And you're talking in terms of a couple decades from now, this may be an Islamic-ruled country. country. wrap our minds around how big of a deal that is for one of the stalwarts of Christian Western civilization to be going down this road.
Now, Jamie, demographic growth is fairly predictable. You see birth rates and populations. How did leadership in the UK come to make these decisions about what you just said is legally welcoming in these Islamic immigrants. How is that made knowing that everyone can do the math on demographic growth? Yeah, it really goes back to Tony Blair.
So Tony Blair was elected in 1997 to be the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. And unlike the American presidency, where there's a two-term limit on the president, you can be re-elected as many times as you like in the United Kingdom.
Well, we ended up with a Labour government for three full election cycles, mostly led by Tony Blair, a little bit of it led by his successor, Gordon Brown. And Tony Blair enacted a policy of multiculturalism. He wanted to fundamentally remake Britain. He made massive bureaucratic changes to the entire society. He gave government bodies a lot more control over the country.
He established significant organizations, what we would call quangos, organizations that work in tandem with the government but are not elected, which basically created a permanent bureaucracy that was left-leaning by definition. And so that led to significant shift in British society. And part of what he did with all of that, he did many terrible things. One of the key ones was opening up the borders to the entire world.
So from that time on, you see immigration into the United Kingdom was at low levels, so 20,000 per year. annual immigration. to net annual immigration over the last few years of around 700,000 people. That's the size of a city the size of Manchester, the third largest city in the United Kingdom, coming into the United Kingdom every single year.
So it's been very clear government policy. It was his policy. And then it was ultimately actually the policy, at least in practice, of the Conservative government that followed. They were elected to lower immigration. They were told very clearly on multiple occasions by the electorate, we want immigration to be limited, we want it to be lower.
Brexit was an attempt to lower immigration, but instead they've done the opposite and the opposite has been done by every government for coming up on the past 30 years.
So yes, it's very intentional government policy enacted by a sadly very smart but rather diabolical politician in the form of Tony Blair that has then been continued by successive governments with essentially delusional idea that Britain needs to be and always was apparently a multicultural, multi-faith society, which is not only historically a nonsense, but has never actually functionally existed, particularly when you have a religion like Islam that is a political ideology as much as it is a religion and it is a political ideology of dominance. Jamie Bambrick with us today here on the Christian Realview, the associate pastor of Hope Church in Craig Avon, Northern Ireland, joins us today from across the ocean. He also has a great YouTube channel. We have that linked at our website, thechristianworldview.org. We'll get to his new book that he's co-authored in just a minute.
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Welcome back to the Christian Realview. I'm David Wheaton. Be sure to visit our website, thechristianwheelview.org, where you can subscribe to our free weekly email and annual print letter, order resources for adults and children, and support the ministry. Our topic today is Has Britain committed societal suicide through Islamic immigration? And our guest is Jamie Bambrick, Associate Pastor at Hope Church in Craig Avon, Northern Ireland.
Now I believe the population of the UK Jamie is around 70 million.
So This is nowhere near the size of like the United States. And so the numbers you're saying coming into the country nearly a million a year And then, of course. birth rates and everything else, this starts to quickly become a tidal wave that's Very difficult, if not impossible, to reverse.
So your country's completely changed.
Now, Jamie, you mentioned. Briefly already, just about the new Prime Minister, Keir Starmer. And the issue of Islamic immigration. And then when people speak out against it. Freedom of speech and so forth.
I know you don't have the Bill of Rights over there, but you have a country built on. free speech to a certain extent. That's being cracked down on now. And I want to play a sound bite here. where the Prime Minister Keir Starmer is being interviewed, where he talks about the fact that we have a big Islamophobia problem.
And we need to do things as government to crack down on that suppression of speech. There's been, I believe, over 12,000 people arrested in the UK. in the last year for a social media post. That's what I've read. I'm going to ask you about that in a second.
And then, when he came over here to visit with President Trump, he's saying, Free speech is a founding primary value of our society. Let's listen to this, and I'll follow up with a question. One of the things that is coming up over and over again. Is Islamophobia. And well, you can see the stats, you can see the numbers rising, particularly since October the 7th.
Although we shouldn't fall into the trap of thinking that before October the 7th this was all heading in the right direction, it's been far too high for far too long. Clearly, we need to just say over and over again. Islamophobia is intolerable. It can never, ever be justified, and we have to continue with the zero tolerance approach. And I think there's more we can do in government.
There's certainly stuff online, which I think needs tackling much more robustly than it is at the moment.
Okay, that was Keir Starmer in an interview in England. But then listen to what he says when he's in America. at a press conference with President Trump. I don't free speech. That has long lived in this country.
Free speech, it's one of the founding values of the United Kingdom, and we protect it jealously and fiercely and always will. And we will bear down on any limits on free speech.
Okay, so that was Kier Starmer, the current Prime Minister of the UK. In the first part of the soundbite, he was doing an interview saying, Islamophobia, this is a terrible scourge. We need to have a zero tolerance policy toward it, and particularly online, government can do. And what they've done is they've arrested thousands of people. I'm not sure if Americans really know about this.
Police come to their homes, pull them out. You made a quote-unquote Islamophobic. Remark, or maybe even a transphobic remark on your Facebook page, you're being hauled into the police, into the thousands of people. Then he has the audacity to come over here, a reporter asks him about it. on his trip to the US with President Trump, he was standing beside President Trump saying, oh.
Free speech is a founding value of our country, and this is a primary. We're going to defend it vigorously. What are your thoughts on this issue of what's going on in England? with regard to criminalization of speech. It's a massive, massive problem.
Britain has the most arrests in the world for speech. Particularly social media posts, as you mentioned rightly, at 12,000 per year. It is, in one sense, one of the most totalitarian regimes in the world when it comes to issues of free speech. And it is particularly prevalent over this issue of Islam, although it does go much further into other cultural issues.
So, for instance, the government recently tried but failed, they will definitely try again, to bring in a definition of Islamophobia, which is as follows: if I'm right, that Islamophobia is rooted in racism and is a type of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness.
So, it's saying, I mean, it's obviously a nonsense description because Islam is not a race, it is an ideology, but it would also be a protected ideology in that regard, in a way that other ideologies or systems of belief, such as for instance, Christianity, the historic religion of the United Kingdom and the one that built the United Kingdom would not be protected.
So we would have a functional blasphemy law in the United Kingdom regarding Islamophobia. And this is also something that is played out in practice.
So whilst that definition was not received by the government as official and hasn't been received yet, although once again, they will definitely try to bring in something similar. A few months ago, we had an incident where a former Muslim was standing outside the Turkish embassy and burnt a Quran, which is not a particularly polite thing to do, I agree. But he was charged at by a Muslim man with a knife who slashed him and injured him. What's remarkable is that the one who burnt the Quran, but who was the victim of the knifing attack, was charged with religiously aggravated public order and was fined.
Meanwhile, the man who charged him was essentially given a sort of minor caution, something like a 20-week suspended sentence. Basically, nothing's going to happen to you so long as you don't commit another crime in the next 20 weeks because of his great character.
So we do very much have a two-tier system here operating in the UK. People have adopted the name two-tier care for Keir Stormer because we do have different systems and different standards of justice. Justice that favours Islam over and against pretty much any other ideology. And so you're seeing a lot of incidents like that where you have people that post something. Usually it tends to be someone doing something that is a little bit inflammatory or a little bit mean and people can go, yeah, that's not great.
but nonetheless are receiving hefty sentences, whereas violent criminals or people engaging in horrific sexual crimes, for instance, are getting much lesser sentences compared to those who tweet something unsavoury about Muhammad, for instance.
So this is very much a real issue and people do have to walk on eggshells, particularly over that issue, although again, others as well, of that kind of left-wing cultural progressivism that we see in the UK. I was just thinking just about even you as a believer. I read one of your posts earlier that talked about the purpose of the British police is the Islamification of Britain. Is that the kind of thing that can be deemed Islamophobic and you you'd be contacted by the police? It's not beyond the realms of possibility.
I try and be sort of careful in what I Right, if you post something that is talking about violence or something like that, or revolution, those kind of things, you can definitely get in trouble for that. I try and be smart enough to know where the bounds of the law are. In some ways, I'm also slightly protected, actually, in that arresting a pastor who also has a semi-prominent-ish social media. Face and platform. It's probably not a good strategic move for the government.
It tends to be people that are working class who maybe say something that is uncouth and that is, you know, a bit inappropriate, but not a criminal offence. And those are the people that tend to be at the brunt of all of this stuff and for whom I have great sympathy.
So I think it's very important actually that those that are maybe more prominent or can just say these things in a way that is more accurate and that everybody can see is true. I think it's important that people like that do so. It's very interesting because I've read some of J. K. Rowling's posts, and she is, of course, the author of the Harry Potter series, very well known around the world and so forth.
And she's liberal, but very against the issue of transgender boys, men and women's sports and these kinds of things. And she's been very vocal about it. I think she's sort of the canary in the coal nine. She's very forthright, outspoken on the Internet about that against that issue. It'll be interesting to see what they do with her if this continues.
Jamie Bambrick, the associate pastor of Hope Church in Craig Avon, Northern Ireland, is our guest today. We have links to him and all his work at our website, thechristianworldview.org. You know, lots of these things go with the silencing or the suppressing of individual liberties, Jamie. I'm just going to bring up one more. That in our advance of this interview have been kind of just saving some things that have been seen going on in the British Isles that are very troubling.
As a like-minded country over here, and it has to do with this Brit card. It's a form of identification where you get your whole life. your health and everything else on this particular ID card. And then, of course, you give the government all kinds of opportunity to control you and how you spend your money and where you can go, where you can fly. And it's all completely authoritarian.
I don't know this man. You probably do. His name is Neil Oliver. I believe he's from Scotland. Apparently, well known over in your part of the world.
I'm just going to play a soundbite just for about 30 seconds on him talking about Brit card and why it's so nefarious. And I'll then get back to you without question. BritCard would link banking information, benefits, driving licence, education, health records, housing, voting rights, you name it. If it's about you, It will be accessed via your brick card. Britcart makes possible the tracking of your movements.
What you post online, what protests you might attend. How you spend your money? and all of that data is stored forever. There would be no state sanctioned opt-out. The paper makes plain all citizens would become digitally visible to the state across every transaction.
There, in black and white, is the promise you'll be tracked every moment of every day, waking or sleeping. Brit Card is the road to a destination in which privacy itself is impossible. Forbidden, in fact. and as always it's pitched as all for our own good and the ultimate C word, which is convenience. You can see the potential for government control and every element of your life with this Brit card.
Cure Star Armor has already said, this is coming. We're going to do this. Tell us about what you're seeing with regard to Brit card over there. Very interestingly, actually going back to Tony Blair, who I mentioned earlier, the former Prime Minister of the UK, this is actually his idea. This is his brainchild, and I believe it is his son.
Don't don't quote me in this, do fact-check this, people, but I'm pretty sure it's his son that runs the company that would be manufacturing these.
So very interesting that it's coming from that same source. The premise behind it is that the government are feeling pressure to do something about immigration. And so they are claiming that this would be a way of ensuring that those who apply for jobs in the UK have a right to work in the United Kingdom. That's the premise, right? The problem with that is that everybody who applies for a job in the UK already needs to prove their right to work and they do so without discard.
You simply show the paperwork that you have the right to work there, that you have visas.
So this is not doing that. That's what they're telling people that it's doing. But ultimately, what it's doing is something very different. What it is doing is it's radically expanding government surveillance over the population. It's making a massive centralized database for personal data.
It allows the government to enact All kinds of subtle punitive measures, whether they will, you know, we can't say that that is definitely what they will do, but it creates the potential for them to do that, where the government can create something of, let's say, like a social credit system could be enacted through this. If it's involved in banking, you could have debanking happening very easily. It also is just something that has absolutely no discernible benefit to the population. There's not a single person here that I know of that actually wants this or thinks this is a good idea because it's not solving the problem it's claiming to solve. Instead, it's going to be massively expensive, it's going to be massively overblown, and then it's going to give the government untold rights over the lives of normal civilians.
So it really is a terrible idea. And the part of the way I see it anyway is Keir Starmer and in general a lot of left-wing governments operate in the same way. They do view themselves as God. They think that they are in charge. Of the world, and that they have essentially unlimited rights over the populace.
And so, they can just enact things like this for no reason other than the fact that they want to do it. It's a big movement against a limited government, and it gives government control over much more than they would otherwise have. And I think it feeds into that delusion. And sadly, with these things, once they come in, they're very hard to get rid of as well.
So, even if we were to get in a more conservative government at some point in the future, this would be a difficult thing to not have at that point.
So, there's lots of reasons to be extremely concerned about it. I'm certainly strongly opposed to it, as I think are pretty much all decent people in the UK. Jamie, let's move from some of the societal things going on in the UK to what's going on within the church over there. I read recently, earlier this month, October 10th, Drew Pavloo, I'm not sure again who he is, but he posted online saying the Church of England decided this week, and this was a major story, not just him, decided this week to cover the interior of the oldest cathedral in England. in graffiti.
In order to represent the voices of quarters. Quote unquote. marginalized communities unquote. The quote very Reverend David Monteith, Dean of Canterbury, said, quote, There is a rawness which is magnified by the graffiti style, which is disrupted. It is unfiltered.
and not sanitized. This exhibition intentionally builds bridges between cultures, styles, and genres, and allows us to receive the gifts of younger people. Who have much to say, unquote. And this poster finished like this: he said, It's actually stunning how much the elite of Britain hate their own culture and civilization.
So we have the oldest cathedral in England was allowed to be covered in graffiti. in order to give voice to marginalized communities. I'm sure you heard about this story, Jamie. What is the state of the Church of England? It sounds like they may be on board with what's going on broader and societally in the UK.
Yes, sadly that is the case. If I could give one example of that, other than the one that you've just mentioned, but there are very many. And one statistic, anyway, is that the UK evangelical population. actually voted in greater number percentage-wise than the wider population. For the Labour government, which are the radical left-wing government that we now have.
And that has been in large part led by an establishment that is incredibly, incredibly progressive in its outlook. And it has been for quite some time. Justin Welby, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, is to the head of the Church of England. Yeah, as well as the Anglican Communion Worldwide, was someone who came in. Purporting to be a sort of relatively solid, slightly even right-of-center, theologically, anyway, evangelical figure.
But what he did was massively liberalize the church and brought in blessings for same-sex marriage. He enacted a project called Living in Love and Faith, which was basically an attempt and is an attempt, an ongoing attempt to liberalize the church's position on sexuality. He embraced the whole Black Lives Matter critical race theory movement to the point that they were demanding that 25% of all applicants for or all those received into ministerial training in the Church of England would be from black and minority ethnic backgrounds. That's in spite of the fact that 90% of the Church of England is white. It tends to be a relatively white denomination.
We do have African churches, but you know, but nonetheless, the Church of England itself is rather white. And so it'd be very unusual to have that many ethnic minorities in there. But even compared to General population, it would be about double the general population's actual ethnic breakdown.
So you end up having discrimination against white people. And we just had a new Archbishop of Canterbury appointed, Sarah Malally, who is much, much more liberal once again.
So she's come in, she is pro-choice when it comes to the issue of abortion. She was the one that actually headed up that Living in Love and Faith project to liberalize the church's position on sexuality. A whole bunch of other just terrible positions that she holds. And yes, sadly, that is a church that, having had 500 years of wonderful history in many ways, not perfect history, but good history, the current generation have sadly decided that they want to do away with all of that and remake it in the image of modern-day culture and embrace. 21st century progressivism as their religion of choice.
There are still some good figures even within the Church of England. My brother-in-law would be a conservative Church of England vicar, for instance, and there are many others like him. Most of the congregations that are of any size actually are conservative, but there is a massive push from the top to liberalise that entire denomination, and sadly they're being very successful. This is very tragic and heretical, even to hear those who profess to be evangelicals taking this much of an unbiblical stance on sexuality and marriage and Otherwise, it's just really troubling. Just a couple more questions for you, Jamie.
We appreciate your time today informing us of what's going on over there because I think there are a lot of lessons there. Not that we don't have our own issues over here, we do. But there are lessons there in your country that we can learn for here what's going on and anticipate what's coming. All right, we have one more segment with Jamie Bambrick from Northern Ireland coming up. after this short break to tell you about some ministry resources and updates.
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To order, go to thechristianworldview.org or call toll-free, 188-646-2233, or write to box 401, Excelsior, Minnesota, 55331. Welcome back to the Christian Realview. I'm David Wheaton. Be sure to visit our website, thechristianworldview.org, where you can subscribe to our free weekly email and annual print letter, order resources for adults and children, and support the ministry. Our topic today is: Has Britain committed societal suicide through Islamic immigration?
And our guest is Jamie Bambrick, Associate Pastor at Hope Church in Craigavon, Northern Ireland.
Now, one thing I've noticed, and this is just anecdotally noticed here, I haven't seen a study on this, but it seems to me that evangelical Christians in the UK. are much more likely to be pro-Palestinian. They would be for a Palestinian state. they would be against Israel, and not to say that Israel is a godly country, they are not. They're in rebellion and unbelief at this point.
But it seems to me that they're a somewhat like-minded value system to America or England. democracy and so forth. But it seems like evangelical Christians in the UK are much more anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian. Is that the case? And if so, why?
Yes, I think more so. I think it's still reasonably split, I could say, among a sort of Bible-believing evangelicals.
So I wouldn't go too far with that. I would say mainstream and the more liberal side of the church, very much so. But we do see even within more what you might call theologically conservative, and I use that term broadly here, not sort of more hardline, but just even within, you know, those that would affirm scripture and generally hold an orthodox view of the atonement, things like that, they would still be very split on that issue. And why is that? I think it goes back to essentially an embrace of some Marxist critical theory tenets of the idea of the oppressed and the oppressor and this sort of innate justice.
that those who are perceived to be marginalized or impoverished, that they seem to have just by definition of being in a greater degree of personal or national distress.
So I think that's very much the issue when it comes to the UK and this particular issue in UK Christianity, because when you embrace that idea, it doesn't matter too much what, let's say, Hamas espouses as it's very clear. Reason for existence.
So it doesn't matter too much that they say from the river to the sea and that they want to eradicate all the Jews from the land of Israel. And Israel, on the other hand, I agree, are a flawed nation and not a Christian nation and many things I would like to see them do differently. But nonetheless are definitely nowhere near as genocidal in their rhetoric or what they do. If they wanted to be, they could be much, much, much worse than they are. That doesn't mean there aren't individual bad actions or even bad orders that are given.
But I think that the fact that the Palestinians are more impoverished, for some reason the UK Church seems to think that that means they are therefore more righteous just by definition. And to me, it does go back to those sort of Marxist underpinnings and just the uncritical acceptance of that by a lot of the UK Church. I just have one final question for you, and it's regard to what is your advice or what's your exhortation? For biblical Christians in biblical churches in the midst of All this societal change that we discussed today, and it's pretty extreme over in the UK, and it's extreme here too. We have our own issues.
We're gonna potentially, New York City is gonna be electing possibly a communist Islamic. Mayor here coming up.
So we, and same here in Minneapolis, Islamic. Mayor of Minneapolis is potentially the the route here.
So In light of your new book that you've co-authored called Set Free, which is on evangelism and apologetics, you can tell us about that for teens and young adults. What is your exhortation for biblical Christians and biblical churches in the midst of all this societal change that you're seeing in the UK and that Christians are seeing in America? I'll start with the premise behind the book and go from there.
So, the book is essentially dealing with a lot of the challenging issues that are facing us as the church, and particularly young people.
So, we have different stories. Each chapter has a different theme.
So, it could be homosexuality, it could be abortion, it could be Islam, it could be atheism. And we have wonderful stories within them of people that have been delivered out of those lifestyles or ideologies, and some cultural apologetics put around that, where we're helping young Christians or those even just seeking the faith understand what the biblical and Christian response is to those issues. And so, my encouragement to the church would be to do exactly what we attempt to do in that book, which is to take these things on. Head on, like to actually stand up and to tell the truth on these issues. The fact is that the church is called to be the pillar and buttress of truth, and we live in a world that is flooded with lies, we live in a world that is falling under false ideologies, left and right.
And is really unable to discern what it is supposed to do. And there are a whole bunch of people out there who are desperate for answers. And there are a whole bunch of people out there who are resistant to answers, but whom God can change anyway by the power of the truth of his word. And so it is essential that the truth not be hidden from such people. And sadly, many churches have gone the route of we want to be liked by everybody.
And if we are liked by everybody, then we'll be able to share the gospel. And then they'll just sort of change as a matter of course. The fact is, that's not true. It's not what we're called to do. We're actually told to go and proclaim truth, all of God's truth, to the whole world.
And that is the thing that will actually, in many ways, draw them to the true faith, will draw them to Christ himself. And it will also be the means by which they are sanctified and set free from a lot of those ideologies and ideas.
So for me, the key thing that we need to do is we need to stand for truth and we need to do.
So courageously in the public square, knowing that if people come to truth, then eventually, as they do so, they will come to the one who is truth himself, which is Jesus Christ. What a great exhortation to close our conversation today. And I know you're having Rosaria Butterfield over there for an event, I think, on November 22nd. And maybe you can send me a link to that. If it's going to be live streamed, we'll put it on our website.
We'd be very interested in watching that.
So, thank you, Jamie, for all you're doing to advance biblical truth in your society and around the world, what you do on YouTube. We appreciate your coming on the Christian Worldview Radio program today, and we just wish nothing but God's best and grace to you. Wonderful. Thank you so much for having me. Privileged to be here.
Well, I hope you were informed by that interview with Jamie Bambrick. And again, we have links to him and his work, including his just released book, Set Free, at our website, thechristianworldview. org.
Now Britain lost its empire status. at least one hundred years ago. But it seems almost certain now that it's going to lose its very identity as a Christian nation. It may take another 10 to 20 years. And it's going to be a turbulent time.
Because a lot of people are going to push back against this in England. But the immigration and demographic trend. leads one direction toward Muslim domination. And that would be hard to deny at this point. Considering Those in power are in favour of this.
Reminds me of the passage in Second Thessalonians two. where Paul writes For this reason, God will send upon them a deluding influence.
so that they will believe what is false. In order that They all may be judged. who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
Now, even though this passage deals with the deceived spirit of non-believers during the time of the tribulation. I think the principle is the same. When people are unregenerate, in other words, not born again. They are deceived and deluded because, as Ephesians two, verse one says, they are dead. In their trespasses and sins, and operate on Flawed.
fallen human reasoning. The message of the cross is for Foolishness to them. Multiculturalism welcoming millions of Muslims into your Christian country. Seems like a great idea. And then the nation commits a suicidal death.
I don't know if it can be turned around. And it makes me wonder whether Islam is going to dominate much of Western Europe over the next twenty years as France, Germany and others have been doing the same immigration policy, bringing in millions of Muslims into their own nations. And what does this mean for biblical prophecy in the tribulation period and the identity of the Antichrist? I'm not 100% sure, but this is something about which. Christians should be alert.
The United States has more of a buffer, with oceans on either side of us. and a higher population of people, but Muslim influence is gaining here as well. Who would have predicted that less than twenty five years After the attacks, On the World Trade Center in New York City. By Muslims flying airplanes into the buildings. that New York City would now be likely electing a most radical Muslim Communist mayor.
And the same thing is going on here in Minneapolis, with a socialist Muslim named Omar Fattah, who may be the city's next mayor. At a recent rally he was waving a Somalian flag. And then to think about what took place. Just over 500 years ago, about this weekend, October 31st, 1517. when Martin Luther nailed his ninety five Theses to the church door in Wittenberg, Germany.
Protesting the doctrines and dominance of the Roman Catholic Church and igniting the Reformation that. altered Europe and shaped America. How Britain is willing to give this all up is just beyond breathtaking. The left, those in charge of England and Islam, have very little in common. Except for one thing.
A mutual hatred. For Christianity. And so that has to be the core of it here. the powers that be in England are ashamed. of their Christian heritage, so a multi-religious country is preferable.
What a flawed conclusion I'm going to close the programme today with an audio clip of Jordan Peterson, the well known Canadian professor. speaking to Pierce Morgan, a Brit, about what is taking place in Britain. I don't know if you guys in the UK understand how sad it is for us in Canada and in the United States to watch what you're doing to yourself. I mean, the UK is a great country. When I go there, I go to Oxford, I go to To Cambridge, to these remarkable places in London, see your unbelievable deep history, understand how much the world owes the UK in terms of, say, the establishment of common law and decent government everywhere, including places like India.
We owe the UK such an immense debt. And to watch you guys like s Spiral yourselves into the ground for this idiot, weak political correctness that's gone so far that you can allow your working-class women to be raped en masse sadistically and say nothing about it and gaslight people who are telling the truth. It's so sickening, it's so demoralizing, it's almost unspeakable. We all pray, hope, and pray here in Canada and the U.S. that you get your act together and grow some spine again and put your Country back together and stand up to these bloody psychopathic bullies and the woke green mob.
Because it would be a dreadful shame to lose you. It certainly would. And this will happen in the U.S. too if pastors and people don't proclaim God's truth. in America's Christian-based history and then elect those who share those values.
The left will just resume bringing as many Muslims here as possible.
So pray for Britain. Pray for our own nation. and do something constructive about it. Thank you for joining us today in the Christian Worldview and for your support. of this non-profit radio ministry.
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