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But I'll tell you the background, and then we're going to bring on our guest. This story has to do with this French woman who was sexually assaulted by a Tunisian migrant. And she gave an interview afterwards where she had said that the main danger for women in France are really these Northern African and Arab immigrant men. And they gave her a six-month suspended sentence and a 3,000 euro fine because they said, and I quote, that she was inciting racial hatred. with her remarks.
I mean statistics aside. And I saw this as it was someone had retweeted my next guest, Gad Sad, who is the author of the best-selling book, Suicidal Empathy, this headline, dying to be kind. That is so true. He's a scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi. He has a lot of things to his CV, and he joins us now via video.
Kat, it's a pleasure to have you. Thank you so much for joining me. And not to say that I don't trust your judgment at all, because obviously I do, but. I had to do a double take of this story because this is exactly what you wrote about, suicidal empathy. They go after the victim because she gave a simple statement that's supported by statistics.
Yeah, I first thank you so much for having me, Dana. Look, I'm the author of Suicidal Empathy, and I couldn't believe the cases that I was documenting in the book. And I had the same reflex as you. Each time that I would discuss a new case in my book, I would double, triple, quadruple check to make sure that it wasn't satirical because it really defies reality. I'll give you even a worse example than the one that you mentioned, although the one that you mentioned is a perfect manifestation of suicidal empathy.
A white woman, a white progressive woman, Goes to Haiti because she wants to demonstrate that the stereotype of black men ever committing violence is only something that you see in white supremacist United States.
So she goes to Haiti to prove that point.
Well, then she's slapped by this thing called reality, where a Haitian man in Port-au-Prince takes her to a rooftop and rapes her all night. At the end of which she concludes, and the reason we know that she concludes this is because she writes a post-rape essay where she says the end result of the rape is that she's thankful for the experience because it demonstrated that the Haitian man was only raping her because of what he faced. due to white supremacy.
So her body was a justified vehicle of the black man's hatred of white supremacy. And he's in Haiti.
So he's not even under the auspices of white supremacy United States, but she was thankful for the experience. I You're right, that is absolutely horrific. And it rew you're, I feel like we're rewiring. an entire planet, an entire generation to accept this because this is, as you say, suicidal empathy. People think that instead of kill them with kindness, we're being killed because we're being kind.
I'm not quite sure when this began. And I've read a lot of what you have written, especially on this topic, because I just know when I was growing up and I came of age in the 90s, when I was growing up, we did not have this. There was this phenomenon. This did not exist. At least at that point, you had consequence and you had cause and effect.
And if you violated the law, then you're equal underneath the Constitution. It's not like that anymore. When did this start? Is this recent or have we been building? Yeah, no, great question.
No, it has, it's been building to a tipping point that then results in you seeing it everywhere. And the way that it's been building is it's really the one-two punch of my earlier book, Parasitic Mind and Then Suicidal Empathy. And let me explain how that is.
So we are both a thinking and feeling animal, Dana. And so if I wish to parasitize, hijack your ability to engage in critical thinking, I need to do two things. I need to hijack your cognitive system, your thought processes. That's what the parasitic mind explained. But then I also need to hijack your affective system, your emotional system.
And that's what I explain in suicidal empathy. But to your exact question. It's the parasitic ideas that were originally spawned on university campuses over the past 50 to 100 years that then laid the minefield for suicidal empathy to flourish. And so it has been something that's been building up for many decades, and we're now seeing the result of it. We are seeing the results of this.
And I would think, because I keep hearing these stories about women being the most directly affected. We had a story of, we were talking about the UK grooming gangs, the report that came out, which is horrific. And they interviewed, and I'll play this for you, Gad, if we can get that video ready. I can't remember what cut that was. One of the fathers of this, one of these Pakistani rapists that was targeting these girls, he said that he didn't really think that his son bore a lot of responsibility for this.
I'm going to have you listen to this and get your reaction. Go ahead. Obviously she wasn't uh virgin or new to sex.
So you don't see it as rape? Uh well uh I don't. And she's thirteen. She's thirteen years old.
Well, yes, obviously, that's some responsibility lies for it.
Well as far as grooming is concerned, I think that the judge has gone over the board, the jury has gone over the board. The police has gone over the board. Just because this lateration. I Was stunned. I mean, we all were sort of that reporter in that question and answer.
He doesn't think that his son is responsible, a 13-year-old girl, and he questions her virtue as a way to, I guess, defend his son. This is not just one example in the UK, as you know. There are thousands of these examples, and their families are defending them. Exactly.
Well, so look, one of the important features of life is to know. To whom you should ascribe causality, right?
So many people, when they are successful in something, they say, I did well on the exam because I studied hard and it was because of me. I'm intelligent. And if I did poorly on the exam, I ascribe it to external factors. It's because Professor Saad is a mean, an unfair jerk, right?
Now, so what this guy is doing is he's basically saying that the ascription of causality of this rape of a child does not lie with his son. He doesn't have personal agency.
So it must lie outside of him. And by the way, you see that often in Islamic thinking, right?
So the reason why you need to erase the identity of women by putting them in what I call sarcastically freedom veils is because if you don't do that, That might be very tempting to men. And so, if you walk around like the non-Muslim woman, that you are showing all of your beauty, then maybe it makes perfect sense for the Muslim men to justifiably rape you. It's grotesque. It is. And it's, I liked how you put it too: it's somehow this person doesn't have the agency, but we all have agency, and we get blamed for having agency that they then take from us.
It is a very wild scenario. And the United States, unfortunately, doesn't seem to be that far behind. France, the UK, Spain, even some of these. There was a woman who was beheaded by an Islamist in Florence, of all places, just last week in Italy, like right there with the tourists at the height of tourist season. She has her head cut off in the street.
The United States isn't that far behind because of this suicidal empathy, as you call it, and your amazing book, which people should go out and get. We have it baked into our justice system at this point with restorative justice, where we are doing the same thing here. In the United States with criminals. And as you know, you've seen these cases. But is it too ingrained at this point?
To I guess, the lack of a better way to say it, to reset. Because this is a really it's an um it seems beyond just a logical discussion. And especially with the left, it is very hyper-emotional that I don't know if that conversation to reverse this could ever be had with them.
So I have good news and I have bad news relating to your question. Let's start with the good news. The good news is this is not an intractable problem in that there is a template, there is a set of autocorrective procedures that we could implement to completely reverse the problem.
So that's the good news. And this is actually good news because imagine, God forbid, you go to see your physician and he or she says, here's the disease you have. There are no cures for it. You've got three weeks left. Get your stuff.
stuff in order so this is not the case so we could celebrate the fact that in the abstract we could implement a cure for this problem here's the bad news now i see absolutely no evidence that the west has an iota of testicular fortitude to implement any of the autocorrective procedures so it so now to go back to the physician example it's as if your physician says well there is a solution for this and we can give it to you and then you answer well no the disease doesn't exist and if the disease exists it's really a zionist plot and so on so forth well guess what you're going to die from the disease so that's the problem if we can get people to actually in unison stand up and say basta no more we've had enough we can solve the problem by next tuesday i worry and fear dana that it's going to be a long drawn out bloody conflict i do too especially and you talked about this i don't it doesn't seem as though people recognize altruism anymore i mean there is a difference between being a welcome at and then Being altruistic. There's a very, I mean, there's a significant difference, and it seems as though no one recognizes it. Exactly.
And so that's the perfect segue to actually explain the difference between adaptive empathy and suicidal empathy. I'm not arguing that empathy is a bad thing. As a matter of fact, as an evolutionary psychologist, I perfectly recognize that being a social species, we are expected to be empathetic. We want our spouses to be empathetic, our best friends, our physicians, our therapists.
So empathy within well-calibrated ranges is perfectly rational. The problem, as Aristotle explained to us several thousand years ago, is that too little of something is not good, too much of something is not good, and life is about finding that middle sweet spot. As applied to empathy, if I exhibit no empathy, I'm likely to be a psychopath. But if I have my empathy mechanism on hyperdrive, if it hyper fires in the wrong situations towards the wrong targets, I end up with suicidal empathy. There you go.
And the book as well, which everyone should go out and get if you haven't already, Suicidal Empathy, Gad Said. It's a pleasure to have you. I would love to have you back and even when you're able to have a longer conversation, because I would love to just pick your brain about so many issues. But I appreciate the time that we had today. Thank you so much.
I would love that. Thank you so much, Dana. Cheers. We have more to come, folks, as we wrap up this third hour of our broadcast. And we are capitalist.
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They said, I've seen this documentary before. It's this mountain. I don't know why they come out with this story every year and act like it's new.
So, some chick over at Daily Mail who apparently just fell out of her mom's womb and discovered this story. It's a mysterious formation high in the mountains, eastern Turkey. Blah, blah, blah. I'm so bored. I'm going to die.
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So, yes, that's what everyone thinks it is. Probably is.
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Who's moving? Me to the couch with Domino's best deal ever since they just added stuffed crust. Any pizza, any toppings now with stuffed crust for $9.99. It's a long-term contract with no release clause. Only $9.99?
Yeah, that sounds like the move. I'm heading straight to Dom. knows. Price is higher for some locations. Excludes XL and specialty pizzas.
Select this offer from 615 through 726. Online only. Size availability varies by crust type, Mac 7 topics, 6 for hand and New York style crust. Minimal purchase required for delivery. Prices, participation, delivery area, and charges may vary.
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