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"He Made $100 Million A Year" — Inside John Gotti’s Gambino Crime Family

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June 7, 2026 12:00 am

"He Made $100 Million A Year" — Inside John Gotti’s Gambino Crime Family

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June 7, 2026 12:00 am

The story of John Gotti's rise to power and his impact on New York City's mafia, as well as the history of organized crime in America, including the Italian-American mafia and the Gambino crime family.

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So I think the market's down just a little bit. The President's going to have his Defense Production Act an emergency in terms of coal production. He's going to put that into play. And also, he's going to be making a speech to farmers. They are worried in Iowa that they're losing the farming boat.

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With me in the studio is Eric Sean. And when you think about Eric, you always think about the mob. Eric, am I right? Yeah, I guess so. How long have you been working on mob stories?

John Gotti. I'm not even Italian. No, did you meet John Gotti? Yes. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. The night of John O'Connor was a union guy who got shot in the rear end. Gotti gets acquitted. He comes to the Raven Eyes Social Club. He comes out because they have him fireworks.

I go up to him and he starts grabbing my hand like this, like we're in a victory.

So, yes, I did meet him. And did he know who you were? Were you on WABC at the time? That was Channel 5, Fox 5 in New York.

Okay. And before that, Channel 11. And I've known the family, John Jr., Victoria. For you know for many years. Right.

And by the way, the grandson's in the news again today. Yeah. So tell me about this story. Yeah, Carmine Agnello, Jr., 29 years old. He was convicted and on his way to jail, 15 months for a COVID scam.

Well, he got arrested for uh domestic uh uh uh alleged domestic battery of of a girlfriend. Uh so uh sadly, you know, it it it j he just can't Stay out of trouble. He was crying, evidently, to avoid jail time, right? Yeah, they well, his mother, Victoria, apparently needs a new kidney, and they tried to not have him go to jail to help his mother with that, but the judge wouldn't have any of that.

So, you know, the family. Mm-hmm. There's been it's it's been a lot of They've benefited, but there's also been a lot of damage.

So, Eric Sean is here because he loves seeing me. He also is excited about a brand new series, As You Should Be, on Fox Nation, Stories of the American Mafia. And the focus on this element of the series is. Yet, we have six different segments about mafia stories that people may not know about. Like in New Orleans, the mob was called the Black Hand.

1890, that was really one of the first families of the Italian-American immigrants that came in. And the Black Hand was the beginning of the mafia in New Orleans. It was the Provenzanos versus the Matrangas, and they killed the police chief. And there was an uprising by the citizens of New Orleans against the mafia and a mass lynching. 11 Italians were lynched, and that started the mafia rule of don't kill.

Law enforcement. There's also a story of Lieutenant Joseph Petrosino. He's an American hero. People don't know about him. He was the first undercover New York City law enforcement officer to go after the mob.

This is in the early part of the last century. He started the Italian squad. He did not like and want the black hand, and he, because he was Italian, he helped to clean up the black hand, which was the precursor of the mafia in New York City. They sent him to Sicily. Where you can kill law enforcement, and sadly, tragically, he was murdered by the mafia.

He's an American hero people don't know about. Right. So let's see your, let's get a cut for this. First off, Eric, this is Lewis Kazman on the impact of the Gotti acquittals. You want to set this up?

Yeah, yeah. Lewis Kazman. This is another show which is called Gotti's Guy. Louis Kazman. I knew him back then.

During the trials, he would defend Gotti. He was always at Gotti's side. Louis Kazman, basically, this the the show is about a young Jewish kid. Edlung or Allen. who goes to summer camp.

He gets a bar misfortune. He grows up, in his words. To become the chief of staff of the Gambino crime family. It's an amazing personal story. He was someone who John Gotti could trust.

He says he had a brotherhood with Gotti. Gotti needed someone outside of the organized crime. Family in order to bounce things off. He had no axe to grind. He was very loyal to Gotti all those years at the time.

And this is his personal story of how this. Young kid. Rose up to be involved in the mob.

So here's your conversation with him: Cut 56. What is it like to have that coming in? Did you feel like you were untouchable? Did you feel like you were on top of the world? All of those things you just said.

It was always a joke. I had a big toy chest in my attic, in my house in Woodbury, with millions of dollars in it. You had a toy chest? Filled with millions of dollars, yes. How many millions would you say?

Millions. Six. Six. Eight. Eight.

Someone's ten. Ten million dollars in your attic. In my attic. How did it affect you? Ooh.

Well, I was young, so I loved it. I loved it all. I loved the power. I loved the, you know, that was prestigious. You don't have the bosses here.

And I had unfettered access. You know?

So, of course, I was a young kid. I was, you know, a fat rat, Lewis Kazman. It was John's guy. Right. And how old is he now?

He is 68 years old now. He's in Florida. The money. It was unbelievable, Brian. He said about $100 million a year.

There have been other estimates. The Gambino family made $500 million a year. John Gotti would bet on football $60,000, $70,000 a weekend. All cash just flowing right through from kickbacks, extortion, the unions, this sort of thing. And he was right with Gotti, defending him all the time at that time.

And he helped John Gotti when Gotti was sentenced to life in prison in Marion, Illinois, and got cancer and he passed away. Then That's when the feds went after Lewis Kasman, put him in a grand jury, asked him about the Gambino crime family. He gets convicted of perjury. He serves six, eight months in prison, comes out, and they charge him again. And he then cooperated with the FBI, and he wore a wire.

I made about 150 tapes on Gambino mobsters. One of them went away. He also, and the Gotti family despises him because he also apparently wore a wire on Mrs. Gotti, John Gotti's wife, after she had suffered a stroke. John Gotti Jr.

calls him a traitor, said that he betrayed the family, Angel Gotti. Yep, yep. And his explanation for that is he admits that he went in to record John Gotti Jr., John A. Gotti, Gotti's son, but he wasn't there and that his mother was there and he regrets it. He said it was a mistake.

But it's really a story of. being involved with the mafia, being at John Gadi's side as the outside Counsel that you can bounce things off of that didn't have an axe to grind, his betrayal, him getting into trouble, and now, in a sense, redemption. He says it it basically destroyed his life.

Now that he looks back at it, he's divorced, he has PTSD, has health problems, and he says he. Doesn't miss it. He misses John Gotti and the friendship and trust that he says they had together.

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Over 500,000 new listings every month based on average new for sale and rental listings, February 2024 through January 2025. Here is Kazman talking about Gotti being so hard to convict. Cut 57. In a stunning victory, Gotti was acquitted. And Kazman remembers that moment as the start of something much larger, the beginning of a pattern.

Not guilty. The first trial is the John O'Connor trial. Yes. A guy gets shot in the rear end. He gets acquitted.

Yeah, I remember like yesterday. You know, that was the starting of the Teflon Don. It started from that day on. And on the night of his acquittal, our city's reputed godfather stepped out of his lair to savor a celebration of fireworks. People were roaming the streets screaming.

How you feel, Mr. Gotty? Really good. Did you have a good party at the Ravenite? People saw that acquittal as, oh, I can.

Beat City Hall. Right. I can win. I can win. John Gotti can win.

I can win. So, what was the impact of that? More than just Gotti. Yeah, that was the beginning of Gotti as being the untouchable Teflon Don. Lewis says, and I remember this is what happened.

He was a celebrity. It was like an A-list celebrity. John Gotti would go into a restaurant and everyone would be talking about it. Other celebrities wanted to know about him. He was like a star of New York City.

Yes, he was in the mafia. Yes, he was a killer. Yes, he ordered murders. And Lewis Kasmet admits that and he concedes that. And he killed Paul Castellano, the old boss.

That's how he got into power. He and Samuel de Bogravano at the time was the underboss, and they set up the murder of Paul Castellano because Castellano had a ban on drugs, and there were members of Gotti's crew who were dealing drugs, and they knew that they'd be killed. Once Paul Castellano heard the undercover tapes. But people have to understand, you don't have the sense of the incredible excitement and the sense of here was a celebrity. Yeah, how do you wrap your brain around the fact that he's a murderer and what the mob does?

How do you wrap your brain around that? But he was, and I got a quick story. That night, John O'Connor trial, when he was acquitted, John Gotti is in Mulberry Street at the Ravenite Social Club, which is the mafia headquarters, and I'm standing right across the street. And Mulberry Street in Italy is a very narrow, small street, and Gotti's black Mercedes is there. Another black Mercedes pulls up.

And I'm standing looking, and a woman, a tall, statuesque, blonde woman, comes out. I'm like, boy, look at her. And she looks familiar to me. And she says, What's going on? And I said, Oh, that's John Gotti's social club.

He was acquitted. John Gotti's in there. She goes, Oh. And I turned around and I realized who it was: Martha Stewart. Really?

Only in New York, folks. Only in New York. And I saw Martha Stewart a couple of months ago and reminded her of that story. She goes, I remember that when John Gotti, I remember that. That's the type of hold that John Gotti had over the city at that time.

But you didn't want to be seen with him, right?

Well, I mean, me. Yeah, I would. I would have done an interview. But like the celebrities couldn't be hanging out. No, no, but they did.

They would. There were stories of he'd be at Regines, the nightclub. You know, when he had his trial, Anthony Quinn went. I think Mickey Rourke showed up to show support.

So there were celebrities and people who had no reservation about being with him. All right. And you also have the other series, right? The other show.

So here is stories of the American Mafia season. This is season two. And this is who is it, Joe Petrusano? Yeah, well, Joseph Petrusano, who was the detective 1883. American hero, as I said, because he started the Italian squad of the New York Police Department, the first American law enforcement officer to go after organized crime.

Is it like the Donny Brasco situation where you infiltrate and you get in there?

Well, you know, you've got to remember back in 1890, it's basically talking to people. They didn't have any wires. They didn't have the undercover cameras and that sort of thing. He was able to make cases by because he spoke Italian, because he was Italian, an Italian-American, he is the first person to really, from the inside, go after the black hand. And that's why he was they created what was called the Italian squad.

And this is all in Fox Nation.

So here's a promo of what you're going to see when you watch Cut 59. One of the big cases that Petrosino was able to bring home was a case against uh a blackhand group who tried to extort the famous tenor Enrico Caruso. They had sent a black hand letter to Caruso demanding extortion money, and Caruso wanted to pay. He knew what that meant. He was Italian and he was afraid.

Okay. But Petrosino was a big opera fan and he talked to Caruso, I guess, in terms that Caruso understood. And he convinced Caruso, don't pay these guys. We'll make a case against them. And in fact, he did.

So that's interesting.

So what happened? And what happened was he was sent he was so successful, he was sent to Sicily to investigate the mafia in Sicily and connections to New York. And the mafia, the Black Hand, killed him, assassinated him in Sicily. He came back, hundreds of thousands of people, tens of thousands, as a hero. And he really is a hero.

And I say lost to history. He should be remembered more because he was the first law enforcement officer To go after organizers. The stories of American Mafia Season 2. And Eric shows you at the Gotti special as well. Ryan Reynolds here for Mint Mobile.

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