Bowman Grey

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She's real fine, my 409, my 409. Welcome to the Christian Car Guy Radio Show with today's guest host, our Christian Body Shop Guide, Jerry Mathis. I say this calls for action and now. Good morning and welcome to Christian Car Guy Radio. I tell you what, this morning is going to be an exciting morning. We're going to...

I tell you what, the song led up and to hear the engine revving and all that stuff. It's going to get us geared up for today's conversation in a way. This morning, Robbie is not with us this morning. He is on vacation. I think he should be getting landed in Spain probably tomorrow morning. He's excited about it.

We wish him a great trip and enjoy himself. So we're here this morning and it is going to be a great one. I'm Jerry Mathis from Ray's Body Shop and Record Service. And also, I just want to remind you again, this is a call-in show. If you'd like to give us a call, we're going to have a couple subjects we're going to talk about. One of them is going to be Bowman Gray Stadium. Call-in is 866-348-7884.

Again, 866-348-7884. We've got next week coming up. It's a big day for... I tell you what, first of all, I got in the studio with me three guys that have got some deep roots into NASCAR racing and Bowman Gray.

Also, I've got some deep roots in friendship with these guys and stuff. So it's going to be a good morning. And I'm going to go ahead and start with Tim and let him introduce himself and swing back around to Bob.

And we'll get Mark in the middle there. I am. Excuse me. He just choked up. I know it's exciting. Thank you.

I just choked up. I'm Tim Bowman. I work over at Bowman Gray Stadium. I've been the official scorer of Bowman Gray, but assistant.

And I've been there for a long time and I enjoy it. And that's all I got right now. You have more later.

More later. Okay, Mark. I'm Mark Flint. I've been involved in Bowman Gray and NASCAR through my business, which is Pulliums. The NASCAR and the France family and all has always come by and enjoyed.

I've been blessed. They've enjoyed coming by, eating the hot dogs. And we just became real close years ago and love all the activities and all that goes on at Bowman Gray. And it's really great to see them bringing it back home here.

Absolutely. And I'm Bob Young, Christian junkyard guy. Retired now, but still love bringing my part to the show. Deeply connected with Bowman Gray. We used to advertise over there a lot. My son raced over there. We were fortunate enough to come away with seven wins and, you know, it's not easy to win a race at Bowman Gray. You can't always pass with speed.

Sometimes you have to use a little bit of that attitude stuff to get by somebody. But it's just a great place and there's no more loyal fans in the world than Bowman Gray Stadium. That is the most loyal fan base there is. They would support us, you know, I think largely because we tried to do a good job and we were part of the Bowman Gray family. I think that the Bowman Gray family had a piece of it, but the good job was probably the selling point, I'll tell you that now, Bob.

Well, the reason we're going to talk about Bowman Gray, this coming Sunday, or next Sunday, and Saturday is a big weekend at Bowman Gray. NASCAR is coming back to Bowman Gray with the clash. And since, I'm going to ask you, what is it, why do you think NASCAR, you know, they started calling it, it used to be the Bush clash back years ago when it was at Daytona. They moved it to LA, but it's always been the clash.

Why do you think they used the name the clash? Well, back then, when it first came out, it was like you had to have won a race the year before. You had to have won a race, and it was a very short race. We would dash home after church, and you had to get there quick because it was so short. It came on at 1230. It came on at 1230.

I was like you, I'd have to order the pizza on the way home from church to make sure that I could be there when the pizza would sit down there at 1230 to watch. And when it started, I mean, it wasn't no two or three hours away. It came on. It came on, and it was over before you knew it. But you had to tell the preacher you might cut it a little short today.

Got plans, got plans. Yeah, well, also when I sat there and I looked, I thought clash, and I looked up to see what, you know, what is the, you know, what does Webster say the clash is? To come in conflict. And I said, that's, you know, that is what Bowman Gray is all about, is conflict and stuff. So it had to be incompatible. And that's another part that kind of stuck with me as far as that goes.

A hostile encounter, a sharp conflict, or a clash of opinions. And so I think when... I've never had one of those. Okay, how long have you been lying here, Bob?

Only when my lips are moving, huh? We sit there and we look, and that's probably when you sit there, and I think that just automatically, just the name of it brings excitement to that event and everything. But then when I was sitting there looking at that, this is Christian Karga radio, so I wanted to sort of take a Christian approach to it right off the bat. Clash. What's something that we clash with as Christians? And I think it's an everyday clash. That is culture.

I mean, I think we have become a society that, you know, the standards that we grew up, I'm looking at three guys in front of me that grew up with the same morals and standards that I did. And what's accepted now and what culture is kind of clashing over. If you think back in time, either one of you, I mean, could you think we would be debating what a male or female is?

If males should compete in female sports, if homosexuality and all these other things are right or wrong or biblically correct. I mean, to me, that is a clash. That's a clash. I just see it every day. I think we kind of have got into the culture where I think even the church has kind of backed up a little bit and not really stood firm on God's truth. And that's a struggle I have and that's a struggle that I hate seeing Christianity have. And not just in this country, but throughout the world. So when I sit there and there's, just don't come on, spend on this really is, I said, Jesus made a statement about the danger of evaluating culture above God's word while speaking to Pharisees and the experts of the law of Moses in Mark 7.

I'm going to read what it says and we're going to think, just to say, you know, this is as true today as it was back then. Jesus told them, Isaiah was right when he prophesized about the hypocrites in Scripture. The people honored me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship for me is pointless because their teachings are rules made by humans. You abandon the commandments of God to follow human traditions. He added, you have no trouble rejecting the commandments of God in order to keep your own traditions. Because of your traditions, you have destroyed the authority of God's word and you do many other things like that.

And I think what God was telling the early church at that time through Jesus Christ was, you know what, we need to focus on God's word. And that needs to be the focal point and it isn't. I think society now and the culture is, we think we put our beliefs in a corner and in a box and don't really think that it, you know what, that really shouldn't affect my friends. I have it shouldn't affect the way I act about this. It shouldn't affect my marriage.

It shouldn't affect the way I do business or the way I work. We think that there's dividing lines. God's word tells us, you know what, that should be the focal point and that should be the lens in which we see everything through is through God's word. And I think we're in a clash with culture right now. Politically we see it, racially we see it, and I just think whenever, if we ever want to heal this nation and heal this world, it's through Jesus Christ. Apart from that, we're going to continue to clash. And so that kind of brings me back to the fact of, you know what, we deal with clashes every day. And I really hope as a Christian that we make sure that we understand that really the plumb line that we use is God's word and God's commandments. Because it's too easy to listen to the world because we look at our kids and what they're growing up and stuff, man, the voices and through the media and what they're able to hear. I don't think unless we as mature Christians spend time with them, really know what truth is.

And if y'all have any thought on that, join right in. But it's tough. Well, it's amazing to me. I was in a Bible study years ago. The guy that cut my hair, Johnny Faust out in Midway, invited me to come to the Bible study. He said, now, Bob, you're not going to agree with everything you hear there today or when you come. And he says, but I think you'll get a lot out of it. And I found myself exposed to some very different beliefs or interpretations of the Bible.

And it was so good for me to hear a different opinion because it helped me get in the pages and find stuff. Well, we'll be back in a little. Here's our break.

Yeah. Coming on the break again, it is calling show 866-348-7884. Welcome back to Christian Car Guy Radio. I'm Jerry Mathis, Raised Body Shop and Record Service Christian Body Shop Guy. And again, this is a call in show 866-348-7884. We're going to kind of shift gears now and talk a little bit about Bowman Gray.

I mean, I tell you, like I said, got the guys in front of me that are excited about it and stuff in the community is excited about it. But I also got on the line Tim Brown. And I just really want to ask Tim and welcome to the show. First of all, Tim, good morning. Oh, thanks for having me, guys.

I want to just say, well, for one thing I'm looking across, I'm actually the first question. Who's your favorite in-law? This is a trick question now. Loaded question. You like hot dogs?

I do like hot dogs, but I about have to say my mother-in-law because she cooks. Good answer. Good answer. So you said in-law. You didn't say my favorite father-in-law, right? That's a good answer. No black eyes today, brother. Yeah, I know I'm way more scared of Sharon than I am Mark, for sure.

Smart man. One of the questions I wanted to ask this morning when I talked to Mark and stuff would be, you know what, the Clash coming, NASCAR coming back to Bowman Gray. And as a racer, what does that mean to you?

And then I also want to lead into the opportunity of maybe being able to have a special day on Sunday. Yeah, so, you know, the class coming, or the cup cars coming to Bowman Gray is huge for the community. It's huge for myself. I grew up racing there and grew up going to races there and grew up a Cup fan, right? So, you know, my grandpa owned race teams and I grew up in his race shop and I'm a racer. So, you know, I was upset when I heard that NASCAR was taking the Cup Series to Los Angeles to build a Coliseum out there to race around a quarter mile racetrack when I was like, man, you have the best little quarter mile racetrack in the world right here 40 minutes from all the shops.

Why don't you just go there? So, lo and behold, here a few years later, that's what they're doing. And, you know, I get to be a part of it. Just God's blessed me and my family so much that just for this opportunity is just unbelievable. Yeah, and we sit there and we talk about that and stuff. And I'm glad you said one other thing, yes, because I think so many times when you said God's blessed it and stuff, I know a lot of guys in the racing and stuff and I think that's an aspect that the community doesn't really understand the faith base that NASCAR brings to the sport. Yeah, I mean, you know, that and like my life revolves around faith and hell, right? And it's not just my job and my race and it's, you know, our family and, you know, without that you have nothing. So without him you have nothing and you are nothing. So I owe it all to him. Everything that I have and am able to do is through him. And he's going to get all the praise and he's going to be the one that gives me the finish or whatever he wants is what's going to happen Saturday and Sunday, right?

Like whatever he feels in his heart for me and my family is what will happen over the next week or so. It amazed me when I heard the story years ago it was time for the race to start and Dale Earnhardt was nowhere to be found. And they're like looking for him and then all of a sudden he comes running up. He had gone to find Stevie Waltrip who used to give him a Bible verse to put on the dash. And he wasn't going to start that race until he had that verse from Stevie Waltrip to put on his dash. And he got back, got in the car and the race started.

But he wasn't going to start without Stevie's verse on his dash. And you know, Bob, we're blessed that Tim puts our church decal on his modified Popper Springs and King. Tim runs the Popper Springs Christian Church decal on his modified.

Absolutely. And Tim, I know you've got a full schedule today and leading up, just a little bit quick snapshot. What is this week leading up to next weekend and then next weekend? What does your schedule look like as I can imagine?

I don't know if you're going to be able to take a breath. Yes, well so honestly the last three weeks have been like a whirlwind, right? But it's coming week so today we have to go over to the stadium and do credentials and do the driver's meeting for the modified race next week. And then, you know, go to church in the morning and then tomorrow I have, me and my wife, Megan, have an interview on NBC. And then Monday I do Dale Jr.'s download at 9.30. And then two more interviews Monday after that. Then Tuesday I have to go to Roush Yates Engines for training for the engine diagnostics things for driving the race car that I need to learn. And then Wednesday we do the unveil for the cup car with, you know, multiple interviews and things of that nature. And then Thursday I'm in the simulator again for three or four hours. And then Thursday night me and the wife's going to the Ford performance kick-off party for all the Ford Cup teams and drivers. So Friday I'm going to not do anything. I'm going to try to... No, now wait a minute. We're working on the fan day, ain't we?

From Pulliams and Hederio maybe, if you have time. Yeah, I'm talking about like interviews and working and all that. So Friday is a deal to where Friday morning I'm going to sleep in. I get up at 3.30 or 4 o'clock every day.

So Friday morning I'm going to sleep in until about 6 or 6.30. And then we're going to do some appearances Friday for our sponsors at Pulliams and then go to Dario after that. And we're going to have some merchandise and autographs and things like that going on and that'll all be announced here soon. But it's crazy. Like it really is. We've got a lot going on, but it's all good. It's all good stuff. So blessed and just, you know, things are good. Well, I'm going to let you go before I do. Does anybody have a question for Tim before we let him go and get started on his busy day?

Good luck. Yep, that's right. Have you visualized holding that trophy up next Sunday?

No, I'll be honest with you. There's so much, you know, I've wanted to be a Cup driver since I was four or five years old. Right. And, you know, I'm old enough now that, you know, that surpassed and I just get this opportunity to go do it. And I'm more I'm more pleased about the fact that Cam and Marlee get to enjoy this this moment in our life. And they'll always remember it. I'll always remember it, too. But, man, even if I do win the race, I'm not going to become a full time Cup driver.

I'm not going to do it. Looking forward to just this opportunity. And I'm just going to be so thankful and just relish it, just try to enjoy it and soak it all in. And it's a life.

It's a once in a lifetime opportunity here. And just so thankful to God. And I got to I got to thank Griffin and Heather after his wife at our church. Here come the Dodge Boys. Those good guys are back with a look in their eye. They mean business this time. Their deals are great. Now's the time to buy. See the Dodge Boys now for a new kind of deal. Now, here's a car partner you just can't beat. That's the name.

And it's a real. Welcome back to Christian Card Guy Radio. We're going to talk a little bit about the Clash. And my first question I'm going to have, Tim, the Clash coming back to Bowman Gray. I just asked Tim Brown that question. I'm going to ask Tim Bowman that question. What does it mean to you as a longtime race official at Bowman Gray? And also it was a race official for NASCAR, the Saturday and Sunday races for many years.

What was your what's your what did you first think? We talked about bringing it back, which I think all of us sitting here knew back a couple of years ago when they were testing to go out to California that they didn't make much sense to me. I mean, well, the tracking California will shape, you know, patterned after Bowman Gray. Actually, what happened was some of the guys with NASCAR came to Bowman Gray anyway.

And they were sitting there looking. And that's got that was the idea that they took over to California. So, again, after they spent all the millions of dollars redoing the track, a football field.

You know, at NASCAR, we kind of just like, hey, you know, all this money here could be put into Bowman Gray, because, again, this is where racing started. So let's bring it all here and be crazy. But therefore, they weren't going to add any more seats because over there in California got all, you know, hundred thousand. Yeah. Hundred thousand.

But again, hundred thousand didn't show up. Right. Oh, they didn't have it looked empty.

It looked right. Yeah. So then the pit crews and all being up there and the crew chief up there. But they got the idea to say, hey, you know, we can do the same thing over here because, again, this is where it started from and be a better facility. And the cost wouldn't be.

I'm sure the cost isn't. Yeah, because all the most of the teams are out of Charlotte. So, again, the fan basis is here. So let's do it here.

And finally they did it. And you still have people involved in racing that was back then. You got Richard Childress and some of the older guys still in racing that they actually sold programs over there, raced over there. Was Bowman Gray the first paved track? OK, I want to do some questions about Bowman Gray. And that was one of the questions. What was the first paved NASCAR track? I think it was Bowman Gray.

It was Bowman Gray. So you got the ding, ding, one up on everybody. I don't get a ding very often.

I get a lot of eh. Well, you know, you can go and find old pictures of when they raced motorcycles, midget cars. You can find pictures of midget cars running over there. They're in the hay bales where they put hay bales around the track. OK, I've got some trivia for you. OK, what was the first weekly series track in NASCAR?

First week? I'm guessing Bowman Gray. Me too.

Bowman Gray. Another ding. Yeah, yeah.

I'm a double ding today. Because even with Peace Haven back in the day, you know, they kind of got a little bit of a start before it. It didn't make it a couple of years, but. Alvin Hawkins and Bill France Sr. When was the first NASCAR sanctioned race at Bowman Gray?

When was the first race? 48, wasn't it? No, 50. I'd say 49, but I'm not sure. Man, Bob is on a roll. I'm telling you, 49.

May 18th of 1949. OK. Wow. I wasn't there.

This barely was. See, this would be 77 consecutive years of racing, weekly racing at Bowman Gray. Wow. And, well, let me say here, do you know when Bowman Gray Stadium was built? Well, I know it was built on a landfill, but.

Now, Tim was around when this happened, surely. 1947? Nope. OK. Is it 46? Nope.

I'm going backwards to. 45? Nope. I'm going to go ahead and give it to you. Here it is.

Go ahead. 1937. During the Great Depression, the works thing that they put into place, where they built all the bridges and everything, North Carolina got to build a racetrack. It's probably right there on that plaque, too, that they got over there talking about it was a landfill.

But I've never read it close enough to. Yep, the Public Works Project in 1937. Is that some of the Army Corps of Engineers stuff? Yep. OK. And they were putting, during the Depression, coming out of it to get people back to work. That was one of the things that. The New Deal. Yep. Roosevelt's New Deal. But I was not around.

I just want to let you know that. OK. What was the first event at Bowman Gray Stadium? A football game. Yep. I'd say a football game.

OK. You got it. You know who the game was? Who played? OK. Wake Forest College and Duke. Duke. Yeah. And the bad guys won. Duke won the game, unfortunately. But they never had a race and a football game at the same time. No.

Yeah. And now Winston-Salem State, that's their home field. They play there. OK. Also a trivia thing as far as football, since we're on football. Washington Redskins, Winston-Salem was part of their pre-season training.

They came and stayed at a little hotel off Cloverdale, ate at the Baptist Hospital cafeteria, practiced at the Wake Forest, new Wake Forest College, and held an exhibition game at Bowman Gray against the Green Bay Packers for six years. Wow. I didn't know that. Yeah. Let me see. I had it written down. You dug deep on your tree. I dug deep when I sat there.

From 1958 to 19... No. Wait. Wait.

I'm wrong on that. Let me find it here. I had it somewhere. Where is it at?

Oh. 1955 to 1960, Washington and Green Bay played an exhibition game in Winston. I guess that's why there are so many, especially Washington Redskins, fans in this area. If you go back, older people who are fans for them. And it used to be the primary team that was shown in our viewing area back in the day, when there were only three channels that you could get.

You'd be watching Washington, whether you wanted to or not, if you wanted to watch football. It was Washington and somebody. Another little piece of trivia in which I knew this because the gentleman worked for me for a while and stuff, cleaning cars. But the first black to win a race, and really I think maybe the only black to still have won a race at Bowman Gray Stadium was... Wendell Scott, right? Nope. Not him.

Nope. Randall Hooper. Lightning went by Lightning. Oh.

Lightning. Oh, Randy. I used to see him around some. I hope he's still around. He is. I visit him.

He's in a nursing home in Cornersville. You know, he worked for Junior Johnson. Well, he started out with Richard over there. Richard, yep.

When I was a kid and Daddy used to go over there to Richard's and I'd go with him, that's where I first met Lightning. Yep, he'd sweep the floor. Started sweeping the floor for Richard when he was about nine years old.

But he's in a home. Well, he used to freak with the yard back in our very early days when we were still in the old building. He'd come by all the time.

He was a Southside boy. It was about three or four years ago I was coming in through the garage down to the pits. He was standing there, old Lightning was, and he said, man, can you get me in?

These people, I'm telling them who I am. I said, Lightning, I wished I could, but I can't help you on that, brother. Yeah, he worked for me cleaning cars and stuff, but I always had a dream of moving up and being in a car sometime. He took Floss everywhere.

You'd go to the grocery store, Lightning was driving her. Yep, yep. Wow.

So, back to the classic. How about one more trivia, I don't think. You probably heard it yourself, but I've had a lot of the older guys over the years. They used to, Jimmy Buffett actually played over there at a concert one time. Some of the old guys used to come in and talk about, you know, I went to Buffett's first concert I ever went to was at Bowman Gray Stadium. Yep, I mean, it used to be, I think, Joe Lewis had a couple boxing exhibitions at Bowman Gray. I mean, it was a lot of history there and stuff.

It's kind of things that kind of get, you know, you don't even think about. I think while I was sitting there when I kind of was going through some of the history stuff with Bowman Gray and realizing it's just a different era where families and the things that we did that was exciting, especially back in the 50s and 60s, they had a Jitterbug contest. It was one of the big events at Bowman Gray.

They would fill it up. Said it'd be 17,000 people because they, and I did see, like, the one that caught my eye was the best dressed or costume, first place was $2.50. In fact, then that was big money. That was big money, I'll tell you.

And then I think, like, first place was $10, second place was $5, third place was $2.50. Yeah. There you go. It's like Bob real quick would probably know and Tim too talk about in yourself the history of the claiming cars, the Blunderbuss. I mean, it's phenomenal what has been over there as far as racing goes, you know.

Yeah, absolutely. When we come back, I want to talk a little bit about some of the history that y'all have at Bowman Gray and stuff and what the ties are. We'll be back in just a moment again.

Love to hear your story. 866-348-7884. Welcome back to Christian Car Guy Radio and again, I'm Jerry Mathis and I've been talking Bowman Gray. Hey, real quick, what was the last year that they raced, the big boys raced over at Bowman Gray?

1971. Alright, Bobby beat you, how did he do that? It's all good. I got to pass it around a little. Alright. I didn't know that one. You didn't know that one? No. I heard it several times but it didn't come to my mind. Who won the 100th race there?

Richard Petty. Okay. I was there. You were there? Yes, I was there. Well, August 22, 1969. Who won the 100th race or who's got the 100 wins?

Who's got the 101 or two wins over there? I know that one. I know that one.

Go ahead. Come on, boy. You know what happened last year? Oh, you mean Tim Brown.

Tim Brown, yeah. Okay. What does he got, 101? 101. Something like that now.

Okay, excuse me. And Bert's not too far behind. Yep, and I'm going to talk a little bit about the connection now. I mean Bob goes deep at Bowman Gray. And also there's a lot of memories and stuff that I'm sure that bring joy to your heart and stuff just thinking about him and stuff as a family.

So I'm going to let Bob speak about that in just a moment and then we'll swing around and just kind of get a take on that from everybody. But we had tried for years to kind of break into racing at Bowman Gray and we were over there and that was about it. We were there and we wasn't competitive. And we finally got with a really good guy, Jason Keaton. And he knew about making the four cylinders really run well at Bowman Gray. And the first year we were with him, we won a race and we won several thereafter. But that was the happiest I had ever seen. My youngin' and myself was our first win at Bowman Gray.

It was just people were pouring out of the stands over the wall. And that's a good little jump. But they were out there beating on the car and I'm like, hey, take it easy on the car. We've got to run that thing next week. But it was just.

We're blessed, Bob, not to have no tech check them cars, you know, and figure the lasers out on it and templates and all that. Yeah, because the car was customized a little bit from all that thrashing because they beat they just beat on that car a lot that night. But it was a real joy.

I used to wear I don't have it anymore. I lost my tag, but it had a picture of Rob's first win at Bowman Gray. And it's just it'll be a big part of my memories of him and Bowman Gray forever and ever.

Our first win there. Yep. I always I always that's one of things I always think about you and Rob.

And I think Bowman Gray has. Somebody said, why do you do that? I says, I know where he's at on Saturday night. All right. OK, Mark. Before Mark goes, one thing I'm going to I'm going to encourage.

And I say this a lot and I don't know, probably not enough. But when I talk to people and stuff and who have never gone up to Pulliams to get either hot dog or barbecue and stuff is to try to go. And when it's not the busiest time, if it's your first time up there, don't go right it. Well, go anytime you can. I'll just say that.

Mark said, no, don't tell him not to come. But if you go earlier before the lunch crowd gets or in between right after the lunch crowd, when you can just go in there and just just look at the walls and the ceiling and just all the history that's that's there. I mean, it's iconic. Yeah, sure. That is for sure.

OK, Mark, what do you think? I just always been involved with NASCAR, you know, the France family eating there since I was a kid. And people used to always pick around and say that, you know, a lot of the decisions with racetracks was made probably in that place back in the day. But as far as Bowman Gray, I've just been blessed at all the drivers that have come through and still come through from Bowman Gray itself, you know, just and to talk about what things are going to happen the next week. Of course, before Facebook and the media, you come to Pulliams and to get, you know, get your it was the live Facebook live and real. Yeah, and I was always I'm always blessed even to this day, you know, if Tim comes up or whatever and somebody walks in, I see Tim Bowman, I said he's a scorer over there at Bowman Gray and he's been in NASCAR.

And they want to cuss him out if they were. Yeah, it's just been phenomenal. I'm really blessed to be and still be the contact that I have with Bowman Gray Stadium over there. And I would like to mention, too, that hadn't been mentioned of the families that are still involved with it, like Tim, you know, goes back with his grandpa, the Myerses, you got the Neils, you got Tommy, Kevin. I mean, the family involvement is still there from years gone past. And that kind of goes back to what I think is Christian Cargill Radio part about it. And I've said is I wish families did things together like they used to. I mean, that's got to be almost a lost art where we, you know, Bob did things with his son and stuff and there's a family there and you talk about it, that history and stuff. For me and Pulliams, part of my connection, I've told Mark many times, is the fact that that was a family event on Sunday.

After church, we'd go to Pulliams and eat a hot dog and drink a Cheerwine and sit on a stump and sometimes watch planes land at Smith Reynolds Airport. It goes back to the fact that we need to, there's plenty of people over there that need prayers, but Amber Lynn, she's just, I'm sure she's going through a tough time with her brain thing that has happened to her that she can't race no more. So I mean, she's always been a fan favorite to a lot of people over there, Amber has. So we want to keep her in our prayers. She broke a lot of barriers too.

Yes, she has. All right, Tim. Well, the only thing I can say is that my last name is Bowman. I've had so many people say, oh, you own Bowman Gray? No, Bowman Gray.

Bowman was his first name. And Gray was the last name. Gray was the Gray family in Winston. And again, that's why you have Graylin over there. But Bowman Gray was the first president of R.J. Reynolds. Am I correct? Yep. Okay. And I always tell people that and I'm like, no, I don't own Bowman Gray.

But I've had a lot of people that tell me that. But again, doing what I do at Bowman Gray, I'm very thankful and blessed. Because again, you've got to be good and impartial at Bowman Gray when you're doing officiation. And I've done it for the Cup Series. I did that for 25 years. And again, with Bowman Gray, I've been doing it before that.

So again, like 40 years. And again, you've got to, these drivers that are out there racing, you've got to be impartial. And I tell everybody, good luck when you go out there.

Get out there and win. Because again, if you win at Bowman Gray Stadium, you can win anywhere is what I was told. Yeah, but I mean, it goes back to the clash.

I mean, it's a clash when they roll out and they don't call it the madhouse for not having a reason for it. Well, you know, I've been telling people myself that I'm actually been practicing for the clash myself over here at the roundabout on number eight. If anybody wants to come over and watch me practice at the roundabout, you're more than welcome. I've had people that say it's going to be a crash. Because you get out there on the quarter mile track with the, they'll have like 20, 20 some cars, 23, 23. I describe it to people as you're flying jets in a gymnasium. Oops, you might bump into somebody. If you go on, if you've never been there on Saturday with the modifieds and then on Sunday with the clash cars, Tim and Bob both will tell you the modified is just so much faster.

I mean, it's like a go-kart on steel rods. And the clash cars won't go quite as fast, but they're going to put on an excellent show for these people. Of course. Yep. Turn I think it's going to be on Fox will be carrying it live, the clash at Bowman Gray. And this documentary is going to be on Monday night. Yeah, I think XII is doing one. Is that maybe the one?

But I also think Discovery or somebody else is doing one. So again, man, what a great morning. And if we go back all the way back up to the beginning of it, we also have that culture clash. Make sure we see things and do things and live our life through the commandments of Jesus Christ and stuff.

Go to church tomorrow somewhere and always, always look up. And I will say it's always been a pleasure doing all y'all all these years, too. I mean, y'all are fantastic, great friends of mine for years. And it's just fantastic to have.