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Indeed.com slash BWN. Terms and conditions apply. Good afternoon, everybody. I'm Bart Winkler. Welcome to the Winklerverse alongside Grant Bills. And scheduled to appear is Paul Immick.
We're doing mm-hmm. And we do expect him in a little bit. But first, it is a pleasure to see Grant.
I've seen Grant on the Internet for several days with the backdrop of Radio Row behind him. Was this your second trip to the big game? How did it go? This is my second. I told some people it was my third.
Don't know why. It was a small lie. I felt I could get away with it. But that's a big difference. For whatever reason, it is.
For whatever reason, it is a big difference. It was cool. New Orleans was very cool. A week down there is a long a week anywhere is a long time.
Seven full days. Coming back, it felt very weird. It's 20 degrees. I'm like, what do you mean? What the fuck?
What do you mean it's 20 degrees? No, Grant, this is where you live. But going anywhere for a full week is weird. But I ate a ton.
Oh, my God, I ate a ton. And I smelled the roses of life, you know, tried to connect with lots of sports people and just do the thing. It was a blast. I saw a lot of people do the same thing they did last year where it was in Las Vegas, where then out of the Super Bowl, they go, Super Bowl should be here every year. Yeah, yeah. We can't we can't have it.
And you can only have it in one place per. It is kind of weird. I didn't realize it had been like 10 plus years since it had been in New Orleans. And that does seem a little silly.
I just you know, you're correct. Everyone does. It should be here. It should be here every year. I don't gather that most people like when it's in San Francisco, which makes sense because everything's super far away and there's traffic and West Coast time sucks.
Because if you're forget a morning show, if you're even a midday show, everything's, you know, two hours earlier. So it's just a pain. Let's go.
It's like the one shot I have to go out there. Be seven to eleven. That'd be great for my show. Yeah, that would work great for you.
That would be excellent. I just I was jealous of some of the afternoon drive shows that were there. Because if, you know, I have producer responsibilities, that was my main job out there was producing Bill. But if I didn't have to do that, there were these, you know, big time afternoon hosts who waltz into this place at one o'clock, two o'clock, they can go out, they can. So I was a little jealous of that.
But get to spend long days in Radio Rosie, all the people and talk to all the people. It was very fun. It's cool. It's going to be in Santa Clara next year, like you mentioned, and that's an hour away from San Fran. Then it's going to be back in California again.
At SoFi. Yep. And then Atlanta's got 2028. I don't think do you think they're done? Like, well, let's let's just give it a try in the Twin Cities. They should be done. Let's let's give it a try in New York and Indianapolis.
Now, now as a member of the media, I will make this about me. No one wants to go there. And I love the Twin Cities. I that is my home.
That is my hub. My big city hub growing up was Minneapolis, St. Paul. Are you fucking kidding me? Imagine you do talk radio in New York, Boston, you know, somewhere somewhere cold, you're grinding all year and this is your reward. This is your week where you get to go heck off with your coworkers, get into some trouble, chase superstars around and you got to and you're staying in in Woodbury.
You got it. You got to go to St. Paul. Like, no, no one wants to do that. And no one wants to do New York either.
Although I don't know. Do it someplace warm. Do it someplace where people can party and celebrate. That's what it's supposed to be. Man, I can't believe you've been there three times now. Next year, should I say five?
Should I just keep going up? I think I told you this. I also told people there were two people that I introduced myself to who I knew had Minneapolis St. Paul ties. And maybe this is dirty pool, but I told them both, yeah, my wife's from the Twin Cities. It's not my wife. We're not married. And for whatever reason, that felt like there was more oomph behind it.
Just like three felt a lot better than two coming out of the middle. Oh, instead of girlfriend? Yeah, instead of girlfriend. Just saying. Well, you're right.
It died, right? My girlfriend's from there. Who cares? This is my second time here. Yeah. Like, get the fuck away from me.
It's like, okay, tell me when your pubes come in, sir. Yeah, exactly. So, I don't know.
How was the you were you were there? I know a lot of Packer people were trying to deal with the quote unquote fallout of Josh Jacobs saying we need a number one receiver, which led to. I don't know. I mean, a fight between John Coon and Andy Herman. I didn't see.
Well, I saw they were fighting. I didn't read any I didn't read any further. And God bless Andy. I podcast with him. I really like him, but he's got he's verified, which means you can just type in unlimited amount.
And on Twitter, I'm like, no, I'm not going to read all that. Well, and Coons always I mean, Coons always mixing it up. And at some point, like. Like with me. Getting in all these fights. Yep. At some point.
I'm the problem. Like Twitter's been a well, but it's the sports section of Wisconsin sports has been a calmer place since I only go on when I want to verbally assault Doug Gottlieb for his 20th straight loss. He was on radio row.
He was and I shit all over him. And now he's invited me to a game this weekend. You should go.
That's so far away. You should tell him I don't want to go to Green Bay, dude. I might stop at the Milwaukee game. And be like, saw a winner instead. I might do that. Because because I was assaulting Gottlieb and they sent me a message saying, hey, sorry, you couldn't be at radio row.
We got games Friday and Sunday. I'll leave you a ticket. Did you reply to him? No, but it's on read. So he knows I saw it. Well, I. Shouldn't you or I could just or I could just not do anything.
Or I could just go on living my life. I mean, you're not a UW Green Bay fan. Who cares? I'm a fan of all of our teams, Grant. And I mean, in the state, I'm tapped it well from the lakefront to the riverfront.
I'm tapped into the we act huge game tomorrow night. Eau Claire is hosting Platteville. Eau Claire has been hot of late. Platteville is the number one team in the we act, but many believe that they're overrated and this might be the portion of their schedule.
They come back down to earth conveniently. UW lacrosse is number two in the standings. So Platteville's loss would be our Eagles game.
I would look forward to that. So there's no highway rivalry to this. Is this a is this a thirty five? What Platteville is actually, I guess, closest to lacrosse, right?
So is that a twelve or sixteen jaunt? Isn't Platteville down in the corner? Don't tempt me with a chance to look up how two cities are connected on Google Maps.
I'm all over it. Also, Platteville's down in the corner. You'd have to go up to Soto Way. Yeah. Or am I thinking of Prairie du Chien?
No, I mean, you'd both you'd probably go through. Actually, this is I typed in directions and it gave me walking seventy four hours. Yeah, that's what I that's what I wanted. That's what I was looking for. Google Maps.
Actually, it looks like. Oh, yeah, you can get you can get over. You got it. You got to get over to thirty five. Yeah, you could do thirty five up, but then you're it looks like the best move is twenty seven. You got you'd have to go through Lancaster where I've shot many a football game.
I think they were D5. That's right. That's my favorite.
That was my favorite part about Friday nights when I would shoot high school games. They'd be like, all right, Bart, you're in Lancaster. Do you need directions? No, I'll just follow the signs and then I'll see where the lights are. Yeah, there's nothing blocking it. There's no downtown district of tall buildings in Lancaster to block the Friday night lights. It's not a thing that exists. Go there.
Although I did try that with Lemira. And the Meyers is deeper in town. So that one kind of messed me up a little bit.
The high school is a little deeper in town. Interesting. That I that I wanted there. Well, there were people. So what I what I brought that up for was where people. Mike, was it that much of a panic that.
Josh Jacobs said we need a number one receiver. Was that like a hyper online thing? I think it was I think it was more of a big deal online than it was in person on radio. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, that's what I'm asking. I know. Well, if John Coon and Andy Herman were fighting, yeah, then it was a bigger deal online than it was in person because we all saw it as like, hmm, that's interesting. It's good fodder, but that's about it because a lot of people have been saying the Packers don't need a number one receiver.
And then Josh Jacobs says they do. But I think we got to the point as a Packer fan. That we didn't think we needed one. And then now we think we do. But now we're in a weird spot where the Eagles won the Super Bowl and we're like, oh, we only lost by 12. Yeah, somehow somehow the Chiefs ended up losing by 18 and the dynasty is over and they're never going to be good again. But the Packers lost by 12 in the wild card round. And we're close, dude.
We can feel it. I feel further away from the Eagles now than after that game, because the Eagles are just the Eagles led Patrick Mahomes by thirty five points. And their quarterback and coach are not believed by most to be all that great. Like, do you know how how how much that means about the rest of the roster to like the Packers strengths? Well, they're great at a line. They got a great running back. Philly's better at both. And also their wide receivers are much better and their corners are much better. And their defensive line is much better. Well, we love Jeff Halfley. Well, they have fucking Vic Fangio. So like the Packers have a lot of things going for them. Almost all of those things are better in Philly.
And also, you know, this is the content thing that I'm tapping into today. Would you rather have Jalen Hurts or Jordan Love? I don't know how you could look at their resumes up until this point and say Jordan Love. Maybe if you just like it more and you're a Packers fan.
OK, fine. But Jalen Hurts could very easily have two Super Bowl rings today if they had just won that game against the Chiefs two years ago. Kind of felt like a coin flip. You could have two. Is Jordan Love ever going to go to a Super Bowl?
Do you think Jordan Love, if you had to bet right now, ever goes to a Super Bowl, let alone two, let alone wins one or maybe two? Because that's that's what we're staring in the face right now. I'm sorry to be that guy, but that's just how it works. I'm laughing because I think we all know what my answer is.
And I think it's a lot of our answers. I'll just say I'm just asking the question. I won't I won't make you or anybody else answer. Maybe Paul maybe that's his first mm hmm. If he ever joins, I don't know.
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Compatible select apps, Google Gemini account results may vary based on input responses for accuracy. When you mentioned bloodline, is that a wrestling thing? Yeah, it's Roman Reigns and Jey Uso and Jimmy. So there were a lot of wrestling people on Radio Row. The cons pulled their yacht right up to the dock. New Orleans is, by the way, I'm glad we can do this before Paul gets here.
If he ever gets here. New Orleans is very similar to lacrosse. Now, it's way bigger and there's southern cultural aspects that are obviously. But a lot of things feel very well across as buzzard billies.
Correct. So, you know, Cajun food, that's a wash. But like the river, the factories, there are some people who would come into lacrosse, say, ooh, it's dirty. And us, we know the soul of the city. We know that it's industry, right, because it's a river town. New Orleans, the same.
And I can send you a picture. There's two blue bridges that go right across the son of a bastard right in downtown. And then the where the media party was, there was the big patio right next to the river and the cons pulled there.
This thing was huge. And Nick Khan, the son, I'm told. Tony Khan is the son. Tony Khan. No, no, no, no. Nick Khan is unrelated who works for WWE.
Well, you can see how this is a bit confusing. Shad Khan owns the Jaguars. And his son is who? Tony runs AEW.
Tony Khan. Yeah, that guy was crazy. He's always like skittishy. So he was everywhere.
Very short, by the way. Not a commanding physical presence, but you could tell he's wealthy. It just oozed off of him. And there were wrestlers ever. There were WWE people there. For example, Nikki Garcia. What's your wrestler name? Nikki. Nikki Garcia. Nikki. She's got the twin, right? Oh, Nikki Bella. Nikki Bella. She was there.
And a lot of people just started going as Nikki Garcia. No one's ever called her that. Okay. Well, I don't know any of this, so don't talk down to me. But I wanted to talk to her.
I said, Nikki! Over the rope. She was in the Sirius XM. Where does Sirius XM get off? Like, they're above it. Their set is huge. It's like, okay.
Sirius XM has called me 30 times in the last month trying to get me to re-up. Don't put yourself above. Whatever.
You can't go across. I said, Nikki! I said, we miss you on Traders. She was just voted out like two weeks ago. She was a great faithful. I felt bad.
And I felt like she had to appreciate that. It's like someone who recognized my Out of the Ring game, her reality TV game, which I thought was pretty cool. They voted her out. She's back in WWE. She's the ex-wife of John Cena who's also back in WWE.
Interesting. I didn't know she was married to Cena. Is she married again now? I don't know.
She might be with another guy. Her twin sister, Bree, is married to, well now, Bryan Danielson of AEW. Of course.
And that's run by Nick Khan who's not related to Shad or Tom. I got a question. Why does every celebrity just get to be at the Super Bowl? I don't know. Last day... How is that just a thing that you get... Like, if you're a celebrity, like, Bert Kreischer's hanging out with Jameis Winston. So, we were told by a Packers person that the NFL has mandated to all of these stadiums... Maybe this was exaggerated.
I don't know. But the Packers had a presence there because they were promoting the draft. And they said, the NFL has mandated or suggested in very strong terms that you must keep a sweet open at all of your games for influencers who might want to come enjoy the game and post content for free. Interesting. That's all.
So, along the same lines, the same tree that you're barking up here. They're all promoting something. That's why they're there. They're all promoting some... The Workaholics guys were there. You think they were there because everyone wants to talk about Workaholics in 2025? No.
They're C-list celebrities and they're promoting something and they're trying to make money. I like Workaholics, but, like, after a couple of episodes, you've kind of done the thing. You know what I mean? I don't know how many seasons they made, but... A lot. I feel like five episodes in, you're like, I'm good. I got it.
There's an appeal, but we didn't need a lot of seasons. So, how far away am I from being an influencer? I don't know. Because I'm really upset. I'm really upset that it feels like every take I've had in the last two years has then been a Bill Simmons take five days later. And I'm not saying that he's copying me. Come on. I'm not that foolish. But what I'm saying is there is a part of my brain that other people have that I think I've gotten there first on a lot of things.
But I also could self-promote better. I should have been throwing videos out for two weeks that the Eagles are going to win by 19 points. They're going to win by 19 points. You had Eagles minus 19.
That's right. I had Eagles minus 19 and I had the numbers and then that bullshit touchdown. You have 15,000 followers on Twitter.
That would be a place I would probably, I'd probably wield that a little bit more if I were you. The Twitter thing. I mean, I got 5,000 and I'm swinging that like it's my last shred of relevancy. You're a 5K? Mm-hmm.
5.2. Oh, you've been moving. Not really. I mean, God, it's a slow climb. What I wouldn't do for just a big viral.
Can I get a couple hundred at once? That's what I'm looking for. The Twitter thing, because I've been so involved in Twitter, I once won a WBA award for my social media presence and they didn't even put my name on the award. They put at winks thinks they engraved at winks thinks on a plaque instead of Bart Winkler. So I just feel like when I'm on and this is this is apropos of. Well, can I say anything other there than nothing? This has nothing to do with the Twitter ownership.
This has nothing to do with anything. Political. I've always felt on Twitter. When I engage there. Like, if I put up some bullshit on Facebook and people are mad at me, it's like knocking a gnat away or if somebody's on Blue Sky, it's like, you know, flick them away. Or even if someone calls in, if I'm using social media in any way and there's some sort of confrontation, it's like, but on Twitter, I feel like it's. We're in the middle of a gladiator ring and I'm at war and it's taken a toll on me. Where I can't I can't like fight the way I used to.
Because then because there's nothing worse than throwing out a tweet that, you know, is going to rile some shit up and then being away from your phone for 10 minutes. And then going back to see what have I done? What have I what have I done now? Who did I piss off now? What fan base did I piss off now? So it's not I'm not.
It's just it's it's too much. So, yeah, I have my biggest following there, but Paul Emmett's here. I'm bitching that nobody gave me the credit that I feel I deserve for calling an Eagles blowout. But also the two things I've been the most confident on in my life. Eagles blowout and bucks down. Oh, two. I made zero dollars from some fucking hell.
Got to learn how to find a way to make money on this. See, the person who I thought said the thing about the Eagles blowout was Bill Simmons. Yes. Yes. We just for those who follow closely.
Bill and Bart have. Oh, I literally just talked about it. Did you?
OK, this is great. He just he like he he gets to where I get. I just get there sooner. He'll get there on his own. Do you think.
I mean, I'm not going to ask. Do you think he steals your takes? But do you think he knows that you exist? Well, he he does know that I exist in the form of.
My old blog, I wrote a post that he should be the Bucks GM and he linked to it on the sports page. Wow. So he knows that I exist in the very most minor level of detail, as if. Like I know the lady who was trying to walk next to me at any time. Fitness last night was doing it while reading a newspaper.
Wow. On the treadmill next to me, reading a newspaper, which is already weird. But then she was reading a newspaper and it would have been fine if she was reading it out loud.
It would have been fine if she was like it would have been fine if like. And in this latest news story, this thing happened, but she was whispering it in this place. So it's like you can barely hear it, but it's you know, a whisper is worse than a talk.
Total 100 percent. Yes. Worse than a talk.
Yeah. Just because Grant Grant's making a face. It's because like you're like.
But it's more like you're more drawn to it because, like, what is happening? How old is this person? Oh, she was at least. Sixty five. Like, I would be very nervous reading something that large and like on a treadmill, because even if you're going like slow, if you step off awkwardly, you're you're in trouble. I'm ready to get to that point, though. I don't want to age. I don't want to die. But I'm ready to get to the point where I treat the world as if it doesn't fucking exist.
Like, yes, I'm going to go to a treadmill and read a newspaper and whisper the stories and no one will stop me. And if they do, it's their fault for being having a problem with it. My biggest I mean this and like my biggest issue that I think about when it comes to like the human beings is like the idea that there aren't other people around you and how people could be have such little. I was staring at her. I was trying to get her to, like, know that I was pissed.
Nothing. But your assumption is that this 65 year old person wasn't like this in her 30s, her 20s, her 40s. I think she was my my observations of the human race would tell me that she's always been like this and that she, like most people, are just oblivious to how she's standing there on the treadmill reading her newspaper.
Is that her purse hanging on the side of it too. Yeah. I mean, you guys like this, I want to just do this like we just need like a therapy session of like, why do people think that there aren't people around them, or that or that if you know there's people around you which presumably this person and others do that it's okay to do things like if you stick to yourself.
It's not impacting people, right. But if you're doing anything else, you have the possibility and why does that not enter into your frame of consciousness to do the thing you're doing. Like Bart you say you want to get to the age where you can do that you'll never get to the age where you can do that because you have.
I was going to drive then the other day because you guys crossing the street and he's slow and old, but everyone's got to stop for him. You, you. That would feel slightly you will never get to that age, you will, you will do what you want but then you'll feel bad about it. That's the part that you will never. You will never shake that grant see that's where we hundred percent agree like you won't get to that point because you're not like that now, my read on the situations that this woman, like so many people has always been oblivious to how their thing impacts those around them.
They're loud talking, they're whispering while reading a newspaper there whatever it is, it's, there's never been a consciousness in my observations of humans to be like, oh, like, there's other people like what the fuck. If you had even odds that I would die at 45556575 or 85 where would you put your money, and you get like an over under you get like a plus minus of like two or they're all 10 to one odds. Can I go over over 85, am I know am I penalized for going over like if I feel like if we say 65 Do we get 67. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And your parents are both alive at what age mid late 60s.
Mid, this matters. Don't laugh at me. No, I know I'm laughing because you're probably like two career choices away knowing you and your brain you're probably like two career choices away from being an actuary.
So you're probably about to. This is about a dark place like you're actually going to predict when parts going to die and I go ahead I'll allow you please. I'm sorry, how old are they Bart. Mid 60s upper 60s, and your grandparents made it to approximately what 84 ones alive at 85. One died at 81 died at 76 one died at 50 something. Oh geez.
Okay, you were on a good street there. Um, I'm going to take. If I could have 72 and a half. I could have 71 and a half I take the over.
If I could have 72 and a half. I'm contemplating the under. That's a good answer. So I'm, I'm, I'm on the back nine.
Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah, you're at the beginning of the back nine. I feel like I'm either gonna be dead at 45 or I'm going to live till like I'm 105 in the last 20 years of my life I'm gonna be like, someone just fucking end my life, sir. That's where I feel.
I do think I do think once you're retired. I do think you're still going to be aware and conscious of those around you, but you are going to be the crankiest bastard in public. Like I never go in public.
Well, that's true. Maybe you just won't go in public. When I when I when I retired, I'm going to just sit in my living room in my chair. But I mean, you're going to I know you, you're going to make, you're going to go to the grocery store and you're going to make a thing of going like you're going to like really like talk up going to the grocery store, you're going to get hyped for the grocery store. You are both a sociopath, and you behave like a sociopath but you feel things like an empath, which is the reason you're such a tortured soul all the time is you talk to people especially online, like you don't care about people's feelings but you do so then you talk shit and then you sit by yourself and wonder why did I do that, and then grant is not relating to this about himself at all. I'm trying to be better at that. I'm tweeting less. I'm trying to quality over quantity.
I'm trying. I thought you I thought your tweets were very good at at Super Bowl. You know what, you know, Pekowski told me, he said, I both like you in real life, and your Twitter, I like you both in the online and the offline realm. Now that I've experienced both. He's like I didn't really care for either until I was able to combine them and now I get it and I like you more.
I don't really know what that means but I think it's an interesting lesson. I think, I think, national radio bar I think local radio Bart was similar but I bet people think you're just a super carefree. You know, like, right like you give a very good like approachable vibe. Do you think you are Do you think that matches you bark. Like in real life, you think you come across as very approachable in your public.
I know. You don't like it like in my in public if I enter a room I'm not like, hold on, room doesn't stop I'm not one of those guys. Do you think your national radio listeners think you are very approachable. Do you think, yes, I bet that's what I'm saying I think they feel like they can call me and not get. And then even if I make fun of them.
It's over their heads, or they laugh about it. That's more of a listener thing than a you thing, although I think you do a very good job with it. That's a skill. Yeah.
I think it's easy for like, why are we doing that we're recording this this is very weird. What. Alright, you got any questions for us. You just want to do boxer packers or do you want to do life expectancy. Can we start with.
Well, is it one or the other. No. Can we start with Packers. I'm doing some bucks in my show tonight, begrudgingly, but let's make sure we get to it that I think there's a, there's a few angles, you know what I'm just going to go ahead and put the cards on the table, what I'm doing tonight is how teams should feel coming out of the playoffs.
Like, yep. I was gonna go here by the way that's very confident or very optimistic slightly optimistic worse off or like I think a lot of people like the bills saw the Chiefs lose, and they were feeling like shit two weeks ago but now they're like okay our path is open again. Packer fans seem to think that.
Well, let's do that so that this was this is one of my topics so it's good. After seeing the Eagles who the Packers struggled against be as dominant as they were and winning the Super Bowl. You are as a Packers fan, have a lot of like what you saw from the Eagles in the games that follow the Eagles beating the Packers you actually as a Packers fan leave this offseason go going into this offseason are optimistic because of what you saw from Philly and what they did to the Chiefs and others will grant that I were discussing a little bit of Jalen hurts and Jordan love. I saw granted you tweet you did tweet that bar grant right I took your poll, and I took it earlier today. At the time of which when I voted for Jalen hurts, when you say you took does that just mean you voted in it, it's like it's, you just made it sound very formal which is fine it's just, it's funny that you use that language. I took your quote your 12 question survey and no, but yes, I clicked a button, which said Jalen hurts. At the time it was like 63 for love 37 for hurts, and I like Jordan love, and I'm like, you know, I'd like Jalen hurts you know I don't know if I'm ready to like, he's one of the top two QBs in the league type of conversation but I, that seems like an extremely Homer 6337 grant so where did that end up.
It's 6040. That's nuts, that's that's you don't know where to place Jalen hurts though. If, put it this way, if you were an Eagles fan, that kind of dreaming into the void, wondering why people are still hesitating to put Jalen hurts with Josh Allen Lamar Jackson Joe burrow. Mahal was by himself, but if I was an eagle, you're not trading if you ask any Eagles fan would you trade hurts for any of those guys they say fuck no, which, which, that's a different. But my point is like, what more can Jalen hurts do in the biggest moments, nothing, and, and you're still excluding him from, I'm just gonna say that next year of burrow Lamar.
Yeah, Alan, or even Herbert, I bet a lot of people would have heard of Jalen hurts and if I was an Eagles fan that would drive me nuts, for sure. There's nothing else he can do. And I think every Eagles fan would have the right to call into a national show and say, if you're not putting him at the very very very very very least at number five, like you're doing it wrong. He has to be no worse than five.
That's his for. Well, the same thing that way like with Tom Brady he was either greatest quarterback of all time, he was actually not, but he is because he forced you to say he is based on his success. Yeah, just like Jalen hurts because a couple of weeks ago we were saying, you know, hurts isn't even the best quarterback in that game against the commanders, and to bring it back to your question, when we were talking. You know you jumping in grant and said something like, do you with confidence Can you say that you will see Jordan love playing the Super Bowl, and I started laughing because I don't with confidence absolutely not. So do I feel better that I saw the Eagles win the Super Bowl. Now this was interesting because it was like the first time we got beat by a team, and then I didn't like need their demise I was actually rooting for them quite strongly. I just never came into that playoff game thinking we were going to win. And the fact that the Eagles really took their time before they did anything against us.
But I think if you look at how this game went to the cheese had plenty of opportunities. They punted a lot of three and outs after the Eagles gave them the football. Even when they started the second half it was a punt, like you can go watch my homes three touchdowns on YouTube. Yeah, the score says 34 nothing. His last touchdown was after Sirianni got soaked with Gatorade. I mean that's the most vapid three touchdown performance vapid vapid.
Yeah, it is it's it's rapid. It's a bullshit stat line from you think I said vapid. Where did that come from? I think I said vapid. I must have said vapid last night too.
You idiot. I knew I was off my game last night because I kept talking about the Chiefs but I would say Eagles. I kept saying Eagles I would say Chiefs. Grant, do you have any thoughts on your optimism now that you've seen the Eagles trounce? No, I saw the collective of the internet be like see we're not far away. I think there were Packers beat reporters who were saying that. I don't feel any closer than we did three weeks ago.
I don't feel any closer. I do. I would say what it crystallized for me is how good the Eagles were. They're very very good. You have to be that good to win a Super Bowl and we're so far away from that.
Well, okay. So actually my second question so I mean we can always we can combine the Green Bay Packers could ever get 40% pressure on anyone with no blitzes. You're taking the words out of my mouth. So my my combo question to it is watching Philly have a great offensive line and a great four man rush has emboldened you to like be like, hey, just develop the meat guys up front defensive line and offensive line. You want to adapt the strategy or appreciate the strategy because you know the Packers drafted an offensive line in the first round last year. Like, this is this shaped the way you think about roster building the way that the Eagles are so good on the upfront offensive line and defensive line has reshaped the way you think about building the Packers. Well, we always talk about how the trenches are important. But then I feel like collectively, we always drift away from that. Right.
That's what I'm saying. So it has the NFL conversation will be quarterback and running back and number one right receiver Higgins, you know, cornerbacks making a bunch of money. And then there's always like a Super Bowl that reminds you. You better have some good big uglies, and that's what this that's what this and that's why Philly was so dominant, because they have a great offensive line and a great four man rush, and that's it like sake one was good I mean sake one is good he didn't have a particularly remarkable Super Bowl. Jalen hurts is good, you know, but like Jalen hurts isn't like they their offensive line is so good, which makes Jalen hurts good. Their defensive line is amazing like it made me think differently about.
Not that I ever would have like shied away from acquiring a Max Crosby or whatever but like, it's, you know, it's not fun. You guys have hosted plenty of shows the day after a draft. It's not fun to be like, so let me tell you about these offensive and defensive line. Most of your listeners haven't heard of within the Packers when they do get one it's always a project it's never like beast from Georgia, and if it is a guy from Georgia it's the bad one. I was gonna say how he Roseman has done what Brian good against has been trying to do, except he's poorly. Yeah, he's just so it's like in baseball where the Brewers have figured out how to take a small market team and go to the World Series it's just the other teams are doing that and using the Brewers as a jumping point.
Yeah. They can try to like yeah the Brewers but then it's always like, oh no actually it's the Diamondbacks they're they did with the Brewers did but it was decided Brewers. Yeah, I mean it's actually not overly dissimilar to like the kings that everything right. It's just that their best guys weren't better than other teams best guys. Yeah, Darren Fox and San Antonio is going to rip, by the way, it already is.
I've gotten to see a couple of those games it, it really works. So they're gonna make the playoffs. I think they're like 11 or 12 right now they'd have some making up to do but depends on golden. I didn't get to go to Bucks warriors last night because, hey, can we can we just at least slightly pivot. Yeah, and I really enjoy, like the end, you guys don't, for the most part enjoy like NBA trade chatter fodder stuff like you guys have talked about like Bart I think you in particular, I don't want to talk about like, well I like the I like the trades I don't like trying to trade machine Chris Middleton for seven years. Okay, I know I don't like Bobby Portis and Pat Connaughton for Jericho Sims and Duncan Robin, that doesn't move me. Okay, Luca Doncic for Anthony Davis moves me a lot. So how much, how much are you moved by this rescinded Mark Williams Dalton connect trade because this to me I could talk about this for three hours. It doesn't move me for three hours but it moves me, I guess I'm only slightly being hyperbolic on the three hours but like, it's fascinating, like, I love the mechanics of like the process of like, they're both saying that they pursued us know they called me, and then like you see, did you guys see Dalton connect on the Lakers bench last.
He looks sad. I mean, I mean like, dude. He's a human do like I get it right but at the same time it's like, you're getting these are human beings. No, they were all human beings I know they're human beings, and like the money, the Hornets putting out that press release I said we are so excited to have Mark Williams back. If it wasn't for the Lakers aggressively pursuing him we never would have even know if it wasn't for the other team. Oh, sorry, you're right, even say the Lakers in there, and now I think this morning that said, there's going to be a lawsuit from the Hornets that they're going to challenge the rescinded train but I okay. I'm not sure if anyone cares as much as anybody. Why did go through because his knees are jello.
Yes. Presumably, I mean it's not his back apparently. Well you try to trade this guy who's 25 and young I mean he hasn't played much because he's been hurt. You don't mark Williams I think it's like 23. Yeah, young, yeah, 25 What does he look at Donch it should do that old and fat Luca, it is weird, hasn't Dalton connect been good I'm not lead passing the Lakers I don't know, he's been good. Yeah, I think I think towards the end of his pre before his first run with the Lakers ended, I think he had gotten benched I think Reddit could kind of like moved him off the regular rotation so it made trading him feasible.
Interesting. He's arguably been their best rookie. I mean brownie did knock down a three the other day. I knew what you're doing there. It's the Hornets.
I think if it were another team maybe it would be getting some more buzz, but it's the Hornets Oh buzz. Did you get a purpose. Yeah. Okay, no. Okay, no, you didn't. Any other Packers thoughts about how this ego situation Dalton connect a trade like that's got a sting.
He should be jumping for joy that he gets to stay in LA, why would he not. It's got it. It's got a sting grants not really you gotta rewatch be movie, you need a little more Barry B Benson in your life.
You like jazz. What's what's what's more sick. Barry B Benson having a romantic relationship with that woman, or the blank check.
Yeah, I knew where you're going. I just saw that for some reason. You just saw what someone talk about it on something, dude, it's so can we revisit the movie blank check this 13 year old kid. And it's a 30 year old woman. He's like, look me up in five years, I think I was served the same video and watch the same thing which was like, and then you're probably thinking at the end she'll give him a little kiss on the cheek.
Nope, you'd be wrong. It was on the lips. Yeah. And he's gonna look her up. Yeah, look, oh my goodness that's really bad movie in a theater.
I did too. Yeah, like check Sheboygan Marcus. Like check I'm going to Captain America on Thursday that you know those reviews as I refreshed the Rotten Tomatoes flixster thing like three times a day I'm curious. And it's still not out that can't be great. The reviews. Was that a Marvel thing. I don't know I think it. I don't know. I'll talk about another day. Any other package thoughts I want to ask you about some before we got to go, the Sheboygan Marcus, did you see Sheboygan was in the news last week. You didn't see what was it.
They just did I don't know like a bunch of local city planners and stuff they did a study and it turns out it fucking sucks. Still. All right, let's keep going. Let's do the box well delivered. So Bart are you are you I know you've referenced vaguely, like, seem like it seemed like the Mavs might have made a call before the condo Lakers and it seems like maybe that was with the bucks and with the honest and like you ref I heard you on what Wolfle reported it so now now. So I want to say so now Wolfle is being aggregated because of his latest report that it was the box.
So, before I ask my question, is this official enough that we want to say the box received a Luca for Janus offer like are we, are we going to take that as a. Did that happen, are we want, are we ready to truth defy that is that happen. Are we ready to play in the hypothetical.
You want to play in the hypothetical. You're gonna ask just to ask him, but I'm actually curious first though like, is it separate from the topic I'm really just wondering like I feel like they had their sites pretty much on the Lakers, or, or do they have their set site on a player, like a Janus, like a ad a big guy, you know, that I mean, yeah, they don't go back on my I think Janus is going to retire your thoughts to. So, here's, here's, here's the question here's the topic, which I'm at the point where k Sarah Sarah. I do I also think Gary's report said what I've heard mentioned. Well, it always gets mentioned about Janus but like, I think Gary's word was the honest future with the boxes murky.
The word that was used. But anyway, okay, so let's just say the math did call the box and the box that wait, first of all, I'm sure john horse was if it happens like, huh. Are you making other Luca calls. But let's just let's just say it happened and then you come to find out that Middleton is traded for Kuzma and, you know, Damian Lillard is whatever like I don't know how you guys are feeling about the bucks chances this year I'm feeling pessimistic. If you were the bucks GM and received again like like can take into account the age of both players, take into account Janus is loyalty, all the factors that you would if you were actually GM of the box. You get the call from the Mavs about Luca for Janus.
I think horse presumably immediately if it happened like probably immediately hung up, would you take a meeting would you take time. Let me ask you the bucks, the general manager the bucks you can I would call you would you would sleep on it. Yeah. I mean Lucas 25. Right. There's a there's a significant in NBA years age difference here. And Janus has been injured during your playoffs you can you can be like, Oh Luca gets us to the finals and can't fucking win. Well he's playing in them.
Yeah, he's playing in the playoffs. The honest is five years older. I mean it's a it's a lot of that's a.
If you take the idea that 28 is the athletic prime, which is what it is. Adam Adam hasn't hit his yet he has his. Yeah, it's coming, still to come. We've, I, because I think the prevailing thought is is the bucks kind of whimper out of this Janus title era, which it feels like that feels like I don't want that. Well, no, but the middle 10 trades like okay this is over.
And then they got under the second apron. You like there's got to be another move. Let's be clear there clearly should have been another move, if this was your because keep on they also did get that wizards 2025 second round pick. That's going to be the one of the top two picks of the second round. You have your future, like, I don't know what the move is, I'm not going to whatever but like you do that trade the day before the deadline they didn't do that one at the buzzer. It's not like who's middle Okay, now we're out of time. You gave yourself time, I'm quite confident that john horse had to have had another couple of things that he was ready to do.
As the plan B and plan B just never happened. So here's, here's how I want bucks revisionist history to go if I may revisionist history Okay, yes, because I feel like a lot of people say we shouldn't have trade or shouldn't have fired but. And I still think but had the built in excuse of injuries like when the Packers are injured we're not like okay fire the floor, but when the bucks were injured we're like fire bud. Maybe they give him a longer leash, but he was kind of like the thing I used to say about, oh, he'll make adjustments in game eight. Like it took him a while to figure it out, totally not from the floor but okay good trading drew for Damian Lillard, I still think if you have an opportunity to try that you try that. Agree, because drew was blood sewing himself in the playoffs agree, and there's the problem that he ended up going to Boston and then they won agree as their fourth best guy.
So that makes it worse, but I don't like the problem that doesn't get enough talk about consideration. I've noticed that my show like the gaps are getting longer I'm fucking struggling for words and words to the point where like Carlos checks if I'm connected. Dead air dead air john horse drafting has been utter dog shit, and the stacking up of second round picks to trade for surge of Baca type guys.
I'll practice. Yeah. The problem with the bucks, isn't you fired bud you hired Griffin, you traded drew. It's that you have this team you have Pat Connaughton Bobby Portis Brooke Lopez, because you wasted all your tools to replace them.
With younger better talent, and the whole trading who they trade, so they traded AJ AJ Johnson AJ Johnson, I hope he's amazing. So why draft him. Because he was a project. Yeah. So why not draft a guy who can contribute, or was more likely to contribute. It's just a terrible mismanagement of your picks, and there's, I just I feel like john horse.
His job was give me a championship with Giannis, and he did everything he could to do it and it worked. Yep. But then the walls have been closing in. And instead of, like, seeing if there's an escape he just goes in the corner and he's going to wait till the walls crush him. And he's whatever what like the boat is sinking.
Okay, now I'll try to get this off the boat, but they're the holes, the holes too big you're going to sink to analogies for the price of one. He's fucked because the decision it doesn't like Chris Middleton for Kuzma. It doesn't matter, because you got here because of all the shit you didn't do previously. I think the process of the box like I really, you guys know this like I really enjoy the NBA I love the mechanics of the NBA, like, like I said like a Mark Williams Dalton connect rescinded trade is like my bread and butter, I think it's great. So from a process perspective I watched the way these other teams operate, obviously not the Hornets I'm not envious of the way the Hornets operate, but there's a dozen teams, where if I was their fan base.
I would feel a lot more confident in the direction and the future of the team because the process just makes sense, like the decision a leads to decision be leads to decision see as opposed to decision a happens. And then decision be it's like that Trey Parker Matt stone video you guys might have seen online where they're teaching college kids about how to write a narrative right and it's like, you want to say that this happened because this happened, not. And then this happened. The bugs are and then this happened with exactly what you're talking about. Good analogy.
Thank you. That's how I feel about the box so from a process and then, and then, and then we got surgery back and that didn't really work so then we did the, you know, I agree. And then we drafted AJ Johnson and then we weren't sure if he was good enough to play and then we traded AJ Johnson, even though if we needed to win now player we could have drafted. So, you know, I am not five year three year window optimistic about the box. I think there's a world in which they win the title this year. I don't think there's a. I mean, I think the odds of that got worse by trading Middleton. I think if we'll ask you this in the next five years. The Bucks best chance to win a title is this year, or if that's true then.
Well if you get if you get a healthy honest and a healthy game in the playoffs and you're out in the first round then I think you got to move game. Well, you do you I mean you, I mean, you do one more shot at this. But the question is, how much does, how old is David now 35. They're just so old. He'll be 35 this July so you're trading him when he's 35, with a $60 million contract for an undersized guard who doesn't play defense. I mean, in theory, Dame is the perfect fit for Yanis, like, they're a great compliment like are we gonna, what are we going to see that though, like that's what I've been. Are we ever going to see that it hasn't happened to the degree that to the degree that, you know, basketball heads would have assumed it would because of the complimentary skills but like, I don't think you trade. You're not getting the McHale bridges package for Dame this offseason you're not getting the Rudy go bear package for Dame this offseason like. I don't know. So it's like I would agree Bart if they're both healthy, and they still lose first round or they get you know for out in the second round.
You blow it up. But to what degree, are you really like what do you get for 35 year old game, I don't think you get enough to blow it up, you know you're, you're 35 year old Jimmy Butler got traded. I would say, Butler because of his wing, you know, being a wing defender obviously yeah those don't just grow on trees.
Yeah, so I think his value is better than what Danes is at 35. Yeah, because Dame really need I mean you kind of need a specific team for Lillard, like wings you can kind of interchange and, you know, you take out Wiggins you plug in Butler and it's just sort of just kind of keeps going, but like the Warriors if you already have a small guard, you can't also have Dame a lot of teams have small now not everyone have Steph Curry but like, I can't believe we have Kyle Kuzma. Did he airball a free throw last night.
I don't know I checked out after the did he did I turned it on in the third because the other entertainment option in our household at the time was RuPaul's Drag Race, which is fine. But I much preferred the drag queens to the but I mean, when Danes not out there it's a it's a frickin G league team. It's Bobby Portis and Kevin Porter Jr. and AJ Green and Pat Conant.
I'm like what is this isn't a legitimate framework framework to support the actual stars when Janus used to miss games when Chris used to miss games, it would be a legitimate team with an offense and a defense that could play started the starting five of Dame Andre Jackson, Tory and Prince Kuzma and Brook Lopez is like, red and green jerseys bucks. Well, no it's not. But yeah, yeah, no. Michael read. Yep. Dame is better than any red and green jersey Michael Brooke is bulgett.
That's old bulgett old and washed bokeh. Brandon Jennings. Brandon Knight. AJ Green is Delf Delfino Carlos Delfino who's our son or son. Bart, did you talk, I'm guessing you did not on Monday night talk about it because it was Super Bowl night but are you ready to talk about the Mavs and kicking people up for saying fire Nico and like, again, speaking of stories.
Are you are you fully caught up on what happened. I saw somebody on a jumbotron get zoomed out of, dude, they kicked out anybody with like fire Nico shirts fire Nico banners if they got on the jumbotron and like mouth. I saw a video of a guy who was kicked out and he's videoing the whole thing and like it is, again, I would spend my whole show on the rescinded Mark Williams trade and like Mavs doing this to their fans. Let me just ask you this if the Bucks had done. Luca for Janice. The vibe at the next home box game would have been.
Not like this, not like this, but like let me. So, Bucks fans. Okay, the Bucks pull off a surprise Luca for Janice trade. The majority of Bucks fans, not just the loud ones but like the majority of average Bucks fan who goes to games or voices that the Mavs fans would be excited if they had Janice.
I know they would. So I'm asking you, Bucks fans would have reacted more, you know, of course there'll be people on both sides, Bucks fans would have reacted negatively with, you know, vocally speaking, would have reacted negatively to a Janice for Luca trade. I think we'd be upset but then I think we'd go to the game and just, we'd buy the Luca jerseys. It clearly wouldn't be what the Mavs are going through, because it's not the same trade. I feel like Nico, what's his name Nico Harrison. Yeah, I feel like he's gonna have to Stearns himself the way this is going, like this trade is so bad and people hate it so much and I think the team will go in the tank like he's just, I think he'll recuse himself did I use that word correctly, like I'm going to be an advisor.
Screw this. He said, I'm going to be what he said I'm gonna be in the ground and the next five me and they're going to bury me and JK in the next five years or 10 years and the most poetic thing. And I'm not like wishing in injury on people like, from a narrative perspective, the most poetic thing is that Anthony Davis got hurt in his first Mavericks game and not just got hurt, but after having a great game, which is totally experience like the whole the thing happened.
And so, for him to be playing that game. And then get her and not like I'll be back in next week like Yana coming back up to the All Star break but like out indefinitely. Are we so sure Yanis is going to be back that fast. I, I don't know.
If you back by the 28th when I'm taking my kid. I think the logic is correct grant, like where you have the All Star break coming up you've already been sitting out like, isn't it a solely a strain it's a calf strain. Captain they say mild calf strain but yeah isn't that what they told us before the playoffs last year he was never even close to playing in the playoffs last year.
I'm not trying to fight you Paul I'm just, I don't know. I just feel like how, how, how long can we watch this team look like dog water and just be like well Yanis will be back well obviously they're not, not supposed to look good their best player isn't there. Sure, you know, and then when, and then when Yanis comes back, and it doesn't work, we'll be like well, all of their guys haven't been healthy and they haven't played together and then we'll get to the and then the playoffs start and they don't have any chemistry and they're talking pretty negatively about a team that literally won a championship two months ago. I love the talking point. You know, the, I think the only good news Grant and the reason like I think it's okay.
So here's the con. You're not building chemistry with Kuzma like if you wait too long and obviously I just put the Bucks title hopes, and I connected that with the name Kyle Kuzma so I appreciate the irony and just the sentence alone. But like they're in fifth place in the east, the team that's on their heels is the Pistons, who are a game and a half back, they would have to go like eight and 22 over these final 30 they have 30 games left they'd have to go eight and 22 give or take to not be in the playoffs or at least like a bottom seed play in so if the honest his thought process about sitting out is. I've missed too many playoff games, recently, I, this cannot happen, bro like sit out every priest every every regular season game.
I don't care, you're right. You need to be for the playoffs. And if the only chance you have your team has, obviously, so yes, you're not getting the chemistry with the Kuzma rotations and whatever else but his health is kinda all that, or at least it's the number one priority without your doc will dial it up.
It won't take him long to get the chemistry figured out rotation. Yeah, that's on the case boys. Good to see you both. Yep, you guys as well. First half so I can hear you guys talked about. Um, it was about the Super Bowl and the many lies grant told while they're. Oh really good. They were all justifiable. Thank you. Yeah.
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