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Got a couple of things we want to do on today's episode. I talked with Maggie Gray of Maggie and Perloff, a colleague, Infinity Sports Network, about her pain as a Bills fan. Oh, my God. They're just never going to do it.
They're just never going to get over that hump. That's what it seems like. Also, I open a pack of Walgreens hangers. What are those hanger boxes? And I go through them. Those separate things available on YouTube as well on the YouTube page, which is brought to you by Dan Cheney. Get him for your insurance needs. Insurance has been a little wonky lately. He just helped me out.
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Five of the last six Super Bowls. What they are doing is incredible. I am not taking it away from them.
There's some fatigue that we have to watch it again, but it could be more unlikeable. And what they are doing is historic. I have brought this up on the national show, and I wish somebody else could bring it up for me, because it's going to make me sound Homer-y. But the point is true. This would not be the first time a team has won three straight NFL championships. This would not be the first time. The first time was actually 1929, 1930, and 1931 when the Green Bay Packers won three in a row.
Okay? So, that happened relatively early on in what the NFL decided were championships. And early on in the NFL, you would win a championship if you had the best record. And so, the Packers won the championships by going 12-0-1, by going 10-3-1, and then 12-2. So, they had better records than the Giants in 29-30, and then the Portsmouth Spartans, real team, in 1931. Okay, so you might say, well, they won a championship, but they didn't have to play a playoff game, or it wasn't kind of like it is today.
You know, okay. But then, they did it again in 1966, 1967, and 1968. So, essentially, the 65, 66, and 67 seasons, because they beat the Cleveland Browns 23-10 to advance to nothing. They just won. That was the NFL championship. They won.
They won. Then, the next year, they played a game against the Cowboys to advance to the Super Bowl, because the NFL and AFL were different leagues. Think if the XFL and USFL then played a championship, but they didn't do that at the time. So, the Packers won an NFL championship in the 65 season. In the 66 season, they won the NFL championship, and then played in the Super Bowl, won that too. In the 67 season, they won the NFL championship again, and then won the Super Bowl, which at the time was the AFL-NFL World Championship. Now, eventually, the leagues merged, so it was AFC-NFC instead of AFL-NFL. These were leagues turned into conferences, but the Packers have done it. The NFL in 1965 was a league made up of a handful of teams that had a championship between Green Bay and Cleveland, and Green Bay won. They won the NFL championship, and then they won in 66, having to win the NFL championship and then a Super Bowl. Same in 67, but there was no Super Bowl.
So, coming from a Packer fan standpoint, I seem like, talk about us, but I'm just telling you the truth. The bigger picture here is I love the Super Bowl, and we are clearly in the Super Bowl era. The leagues combining made a new era. It's a different way of how we do things. But does that mean every championship from 1965 backwards doesn't count?
Because it shouldn't. Because if it doesn't count, you're taking away a lot of the history of the league. You're taking away championships from a lot of teams that have earned NFL championships. These were some teams that we think are absolute garbage. The Detroit Lions? The Cleveland Browns?
Why are they garbage? Because not only have they never won a Super Bowl, they've never been to a Super Bowl. But they've both won four NFL championships. The Chicago Lions franchise won in 1935, 1952, 1953, 1957. The Browns won in 1950, 1954, 1955, and 1964, right before the Packers went on their run. And I know there's some of these teams that don't exist anymore.
The Providence Steamroller in 1928. The Chicago Cardinals being the Arizona team now, whatever. The Canton Bulldogs. There's some of these teams that it just doesn't count as much. And also the Bears only have won Super Bowl, but they have eight NFL championships prior to that. Even the Vikings lost a Super Bowl, but technically won an NFL championship. Now, when the Super Bowl is there, I feel like that should be the winner. But if the Super Bowl didn't exist, then you should win and get credit for the NFL. Well, what about the AFL champions? That was a different league. They merged into the NFL so they can still celebrate it, but they don't have the NFL championships. They merged into the NFL. The Packers have won three NFL championships in a row twice. The Chiefs are angling to do that for their first time ever.
It's in a different format. It's a Super Bowl, so it's going to be different. But I don't like how we've got to the point. It's not even that we've gotten to the point where we're just ignoring that it happened. The 50 years of championships prior, but it's gotten to the point now where when I try to bring that up, I sound like a fool. I sound like, oh, Packer fan just wants some credit. I sound like a fool. 13 World Championships, I guess, never happened.
I sound like the fool. And so what I'm trying to do is say, hey, by the way, the Browns won four. The Lions won four and get those fan bases to be like, yeah, we've won it too. But I don't think the rest of the league is going to consider you worthy because you've never won a Super Bowl. I remember I was in Dallas for Dallas Packer game, and the closest I ever got to actual fighting was this guy in front of me turned around and started cocking off because the Cowboys have more Super Bowl wins than the Packers.
Five to four. And I said, yes, they have won more Super Bowls, but the Packers have more NFL championships. We've won 13. And he said, no, Dallas has more. I said 13 is more than five.
And he said they don't count. So all of these people, the 45 years of football that existed before a Super Bowl, the 45 years of football that existed to get you to this point where the Super Bowl could even be a thing, just flat out doesn't count anymore. That's what we're doing. We're ripping away the three peats that the Packers had. We're ripping away the seven other championships that the Bears franchise rightfully earned. We're ripping away Giants NFL championships, the four they had prior to the Super Bowl. We're ripping away the four the Browns had.
We're ripping away the four that the Lions had. We are just ripping away these championships as if they didn't count. And for the first 10 years or whatever, again, it just went by standings. But then there was an actual championship game.
I don't get it. Clearly in the NBA, we're in a different era than we were back in the 60s when there were eight or nine teams that Bill Russell Celtics had to go through. There were eight or nine teams. Yet when the Celtics won this last championship, it was Banner 18. But if the Packers were to win a Super Bowl this next time and we said it's title number 14, people would say only number five.
I just don't understand. Is it because that most of us weren't around? Is it because like the Super Bowl is just great marketing and it's easier to count to 59 than it is 103 or whatever? I don't understand why we are just like washing out of the history books any NFL that happened from 1921 until 1965. Even though we celebrate these teams, we celebrate the long rivalries, we celebrate the 100 year anniversary of the NFL.
And I know the Super Bowl is different, but there was still championship games in the 30s, 40s, 50s and for most of the 60s before the Super Bowl. Why do we do it? Why do we do it? I don't understand. I won't understand. I will never understand.
It is quite simply stupid and dumb and I hate it and we need to figure out a way to honor those that came before. We really, truly do. The next 20 years of your marriage making up for it. Yeah, checking first is smart. So check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate.
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25% off each and every time. With the Packers and their current iteration, some updates there, a couple of coaching moves, Luke Getze has been hired as a full-time offensive senior assistant. So is this the job that Robert Sala came in and greased us for information and then ran back off to San Francisco for or what? But Luke Getze's back.
All right. Rich Masaccia, who is another one of these guys we get so excited about on special teams and then is he really that good? He went to Lafleur's office, maybe think he was going to get fired and Lafleur gives him another contract, signing him to an extension and then also giving him more duties. He will return as the special teams coordinator. He is also Matt Lafleur's game management advisor.
Masaccia is 64 years old. You know who I want as the game management advisors? I want 17-year-old kids that only play Madden. That's who I want. That's who I want to be the advisors. I want the Brick Johnson's of the world.
I want Shane, GM, Joe Shane's kids, these kids. Yeah, Madden. Is it dumb to trade for a guy based on his Madden rating? It is very stupid. Is it dumb to utilize Madden as a tool for figuring out how clock management should be run? Absolutely not. EA Sports has been giving these coaches a free resource.
Well, $65 and maybe more if you buy the cards or add-ons, but you can use this game for clock management. So instead of that, I'm going to turn to 64-year-old Rich Masaccia. I'm going to tell you to punt because he wants his special teams out there. You're giving your game management to the special teams guy? Okay. Maggie, when we chat with her, she asked me about the Packers. I talked to her about the bills. She asked me about the Packers.
And I kind of told her like, this next year, I'm putting all of my $13 a dozen eggs into next year's basket. They have to do good next year. Next year is when I need to see results. First year of Jordan, fine. Over-exceeded. Second year, yeah, right.
Injuries, bumpiness, whatever. You got to get something done in year three. You got to get something done. We're right back to having Super Bowl expectations. We need to have them. We need to have them. And Matt Leflore needs to deliver.
He's the one that needs to deliver more than anybody else, in my humble opinion. Super Bowl itself, I'm taking the Eagles. A lot of people are making money on betting on the Chiefs.
And they're going to continue to do that. The Chiefs have won 17 games in a row where they've won by eight or less points. So one score games. The odds to do that five times in a row is like 17 percent. The odds to do that 17 times in a row is one tenth of one percent.
It's 0.1 percent. What the Chiefs are doing is essentially impossible. And so I think the Eagles need to come out and go pedal to the metal. They need to receive the football if they can. They need to score. They need to go on fourth downs. They need to not kick field goals. Try to get the Kansas City Chiefs in a deficit and then run it up. So I'm going to take the Eagles alternate line minus twelve and a half. Look, I don't think the Eagles are going to win a close game. The only way they're going to win is in a blowout. I'm not going to be this guy that thinks, well, I'm going to bet them until I know not to bet against them, because eventually you'll lose that bet. So I'm trying to get ahead of it. Lie detector, I probably think the Chiefs win because of course they do.
But I'm going to go with the Eagles and I'm going to go with them to win big. It's like plus six thirty. So I'm going to try to turn five smack arenas into thirty two smack arenas. And we'll see what happens there.
The game. Once the game hits, I'll be very excited to watch the game. I'm going to do many draft kings. I'm going to do my squares.
I'm going to do my props. I don't really care who wins. I would like the Eagles, I guess, to win.
So the Packers imaginary three peats can stay intact. So I guess I guess for that reason, I'm going to be rooting for the Eagles. But the thing with the Chiefs is they're not even that unlikable.
They are now just because it's over and over and over again. But if the Chiefs were the scrappy underdog, if they were in the bill spot and they finally won, we'd be all excited for Andy Reid and Kelsey and probably Mahomes. We'd be excited for these guys. The only reason we like the Bills more than Chiefs is because the Bills are the underdog.
The Chiefs have just been there before. Now, I don't want to see Paul Rudd. I don't want to see Heidi Gardner. I want to see Eric Stonestreet for the next two weeks on NFL Network. But I could just maybe not watch NFL Network. But this is actually the best weekend NFL Network. It's when they show all the old Super Bowls. So I like to I like to watch. I like to watch and catch up even though there were championships before Super Bowls.
Hashtag people do forget. So I like the Chiefs to lose, but probably deep down to win. Just whatever needs to happen to protect the sanctity, the sanctity of the Packers.
Not once, but two, three pizza they've had in NFL history. Someone's got to fight for the history books. That's going to be me. We'll hear from Maggie Gray.
I'll open up a pack of cards. The podcast will then end very suddenly. You've come to expect that here as you have stopped into the Winklerverse. It is the Bart Winkler Show.
I am Bart Winkler, Carlos Ortiz. Alongside as we continue to talk about the AFC and NFC Championship games. And I think, again, with the NFC Championship game, you know, there's going to be better commander's teams. There will be better commander's teams and they'll have it. They'll have their fun. They'll get better. So, you know, you feel bad the next day, but there's optimism. Maggie Gray is joining us of Maggie and Perloff mornings on the Infinity Sports Network. Many of these same great affiliates.
Maggie, on the other hand. And then there's the Bills. So just like the pain in the early 90s where it was four Super Bowl losses.
It's now four playoff losses to the Kansas City Chiefs. Just I mean, we're 24 hours out. How are you? Well, great to be on the show. Thank you for having me. Thanks for thinking of me and my time of need here.
I was assuming you invited me on to try to perk me up or cheer me up. But the three I'm quickly realizing that part. No, the symmetry of the losing the four Super Bowls and then going 0 and 4 to the Holmes and the Chiefs is something I had not thought of.
So thank you for that new nightmare fuel. And the the the problem with this is that there's no end in sight. You know, you knew in the 90s at some point you were going to stop going to the Super Bowl. And, you know, those two last losses to the Cowboys really drove the point home that you were probably not going to be winning soon. The thing about my homes that is so tough is where he's not going where he and Alan are basically the same age. Josh Allen, Andy Reid is in his 60s. We just saw Pete Carroll get hired at what is he, 73.
You can coach forever. Kelsey will go and at some point, you know, this maybe I don't know other guys will get cycled in and out. But as long as you have my homes and read and you have a competent front office, like why wouldn't this just continue on? Just like we saw with Belichick and Brady until I guess someone decides to start a nutrition line and has some weird trainer and then they have to break up over egos. That's all I could hope for before that might not happen for another 15 years.
Well, and you know, I want to talk to you about the Bills aspect of it, which I'll get back to. But the Patriots and Chiefs thing, the difference so far is that the Patriots had a dynasty and then the Chiefs started their dynasty. And then I had a nice passing of the torch playing each other in the last, you know, AFC Championship game that New England had first to Kansas City. But in the Patriots dynasty, there were 10 years where they did not win. So all the contemporaries of that era, Manning and Rogers and Breeze and Russ and Big Ben, they all got like their Super Bowl. But it seems like if this isn't going to pause or take a break, then you could have a whole era of quarterbacks and Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, before we even get back over to the NFC that you're going to we're going to judge these guys unfairly. I was going to say almost unfairly, but certainly unfairly.
If nobody else because that whole batch of quarterbacks, I said there's a good chance that none of them end up with a Super Bowl victory, which is insane. But also that's what's kind of happening right now. Yeah. I mean, or you're Philip Rivers. And I think that's kind of, you know, where at least for now, seven years into his career, that's kind of where Josh sort of is. I mean, it's not, is it as painful as the stuff the Chargers went through? I mean, probably kind of similar.
I think that right now he's kind of in that Philip River zone. And, you know, you're making a great point here. Those guys did break through.
I think that's what it's going to take first. I know last year that they lost the bills lost to Mahomes in Buffalo. But this is the key. You've got to get the game back on your home turf if they're going to have a shot. And let's get a case in point the game yesterday, the fourth and one, which is one of the most controversial calls.
And I'm not blaming the refs for why the Buffalo Bills lost yesterday. But let's just call that what it was. That was a fourth and one play.
I did. I hated the third downplay. Let's be fair. The fourth downplay, none of their short yardage stuff was working yesterday. But let's call what it is. If that's in Buffalo, I bet they give them the first down.
This is the type of home cooking. I can't even be mad at it. But if that game's in Orchard Park, I think the drive continues for Buffalo. Not a turnover on downs that leads to a touchdown for the Chiefs and they totally swung the momentum of that fourth quarter. Now, the Bills had another chance, so I'm not going to say that was the end all be all. But those types of moments, I think, change when you have a home game. And look what happened to Peyton Manning. It took him getting a home game in the playoffs when he finally did vanquish Brady.
So I just think that's step one. Got to get the home game and then you've got to not squander that opportunity. But, you know, I'm sad today, Bart, and everyone can drink my tears and that's fine. Nobody wants to drink your tears.
Everyone's crying with you. But here's the thing. Seven years in, you know, I have to believe that there's still time.
And, you know, that's hard to say today. And I think the silver lining is this was kind of a rebuild year for the Bills, which is a weird thing to say when you have a good quarterback like that. But it kind of was a bit of a rebuild. And, you know, they've got their out from the Stefan Diggs contract. And maybe they try to make a play for someone in free agency or reload this thing and get back there again.
Well, you can do time with Maggie Gray, Maggie and Perloff, Infinity Sports Network, which you're listening to right now. For you know, one of the things that I would always say, watching the Packers lose year in and year out after they got their Super Bowl. So I can't be. But then they lost a lot in the playoffs and it got to the point where and I would always compare it to playing a video game pre like save. And, you know, I'm thinking Mario when I'm seven years old because you play Mario and if you get to the eighth world and you die, you have to start all the way over. So you have to play every level over and over. And you're like, I've already done this and you're going through the motions. And that's what I felt like as a Packer fan where the preseason is not exciting, the regular season is not exciting. The season doesn't really start until the AFC divisional round. I guess if you're Buffalo as a fan, you know, you find different reasons to have fun and think maybe this is different. I wonder how these the teams do that, because no matter what joy they're experiencing, they still know that that thing is to come. I just I don't know how like it just it just it felt like this was going to be the time for Buffalo. So I don't even know how you got to that point and then think, OK, well, we'll just reset and do it again. At some point, that weight seems to, I would think, crush a soul. Yeah. And I didn't think today could get any darker.
No, you're right. And honestly, Mario, the Mario, I was thinking like Mike Tyson's punch out was kind of my jam back in the day. And like my homes is the Mike Tyson at the end of the game. And now you've got to pick yourself up and do Glass Joe and Piston Honda and all that.
All the characters you had to get through to try to try to beat Mike. You know, what's funny about athletes, though, I found this I don't know if you found the same. They have this unwavering sort of belief in their in themselves. And I think pro athletes have defied so many odds to get to where they are. You know, they it's the point zero zero zero one percent of our population that gets to do this kind of thing. And I think when you see it close up, they just have this sort of belief. And I think that they handle moving on from losses, quite frankly, easier than the fans do. And maybe that's because they have this belief in themselves that you need to succeed at that this high level.
I argue about this with my co-host all the time, Andrew Perloff. He's like, oh, this guy's a nice guy and that guy's a nice guy. I'm like, yeah, yeah, they might be like nice, but like they're killers underneath. You know, like you have to have this other place you can go to be a professional athlete or else you would have been weeded out long, long ago.
So I think it's an internal drive. I think it's a it's a crazy belief in themselves that maybe borderlines on the delusional, but yet they're out there doing it. And I think they always think they have a shot.
And, you know, I think it's part of the mental toughness. And, you know, the biggest conversation that I'm having now with my Bill's Mafia brethren is about Sean McDermott. And, you know, I got a lot of I got a lot of things about Sean McDermott and not all of them are great. But one thing that I will give Sean McDermott amongst them, all the criticism I could give him getting tight.
I hated the game plan. I, you know, so many things can't beat Andy Reid in the playoffs. They play hard for him and he does more with less at times with the defense and they don't seem like they've abandoned their coach. So it seems like the message is still getting through. So if you have this belief in yourself and the coach hasn't lost the locker room, then, you know, we just have no control over what happens.
They actually do. So we have to sit there and just sort of take it. And I think you have a different perspective when you're actually influencing the outcome. Now, with McDermott and you mentioned like one thing that would maybe be better is have this game at home.
And, you know, I'd agree with you on that. I think when I was watching that game, maybe they got tense, maybe maybe they were calling different things that they shouldn't have been. I know that the broadcast did a really nice job of saying Josh Allen is going to go to his left on these sneaks.
The Chiefs are ready. And so all of America now would like knows this one thing that maybe the Bills didn't seem to at that point. But my prevailing thought out of it was because I'm trying to think, you know, who who should be who you should be the most mad at? Who can you blame?
And yeah, there was a fourth and one. I think he got it. I don't know why there's not some sort of technology in those footballs. Sean McDermott did get a little tight. You know, maybe Joe Brady. But my overall thought was and this is more grim is that it's just not it's not going to happen.
You you you've you've gotten you've gotten it at home. You've played close. You've been to overtime like no matter how hard you try and how hard you prepare, it's not going to happen.
You can't think that way in sports because then what's the reason for going back? But if I was a fan, as you are, yeah, I would feel like there's probably other losses that were more shell shocking. But I would feel more defeated at this point. Yeah. Just hold on one second.
I'm going to go walk into oncoming traffic and then I'm going to come back. Well, you know, I'm sorry. That's OK. That's that is what it feels like. It feels like despair. And you're right. They've kind of lost every which way you can lose to the Chiefs except blowout.
Always close games, always close games. And I know that's like losers lament. And I probably a lot of this sounds like losers lament. But, you know, I like to think that it will feel even more gratifying when they do finally break through. But to the Sean McDermott piece of it all, it's really a tough spot that the bills are in because McDermott is responsible along with Josh Allen, of course, in a new front office for getting the bills out of 17 years of not making the playoffs and being a doormat to Tom Brady in the past and just being irrelevant.
And then he's had all this success. They're winning the division year after year. They're getting to these final moments with the Chiefs. It's not even like just getting to play the Chiefs. You're getting to two or three plays one way or another changes the outcome of the entire franchise. So how could he be like on the hot seat?
It doesn't compute in your mind unless you're living this every year. And unfortunately for Sean, what has happened is, you know, Andy Reid is his mentor, right? Coached under Reid in Philadelphia. And I think there's this part where when it gets to the playoffs, they can beat him in the regular season because I think the Chiefs hold back. And then when they get to the playoffs, the bills tend to lose at times like who they are when they play the Chiefs, like they go away from their identity at times at the biggest moments, quite frankly. And and they get a little tighter in the biggest moments. And that's when the Chiefs get stronger. This is where they save that exotic blitz or they save that fourth down play that no one's seen all year or the one that no one can stop. And they get better in the biggest moments. And so far against the Chiefs, the Bills have not played their best in the biggest moments.
But I'm not putting on Josh Allen. I know I really don't. I mean, you can nitpick here or there. He didn't turn the ball over. You know, he cleaned that up as part of his what was part of his M.O. And yeah, I mean, does he have to get them in field goal range at the end?
Like, yeah, he does. But also, guys have to catch the ball, too. They have to call better plays. So I tend to look at the coaching staff before the quarterback on this one. Is this more of an off season where it's just changed that kind of mentality or are there pieces that they can add to be like a better team? Because, you know, you look at last year and then the Bills had key on Coleman after they traded back so that the Chiefs could have Xavier worthy.
So, like, you have to make your team better, but don't help the other team that you're trying to beat in the process. Oh, bar. I called it on draft night.
You can ask my co-host and my believe you. The pick came in and I was like, Xavier worthy will score a touchdown against the Bills in the playoffs. I wish I could have bet it at the time.
I would be a zillionaire. The only thing I got wrong is I thought it'd be the go ahead and I thought he would throw up the Tyree kill peace sign behind him just for maximum devastation. He didn't do that. So cool. But I knew that he was going to score a touchdown against the Bills.
That was that step in taxes. And yeah, I wish they would stop trading with the Chiefs on draft night. Just don't do it. Don't out think it. Don't overthink it. Don't out think yourself.
Don't do it. Are there like, is there part of the union a receiver? Is it another edge person? I mean, what's the main priority in the offseason? To me, I think secondary.
I'm thinking corner. You know, you had Christian Benford got knocked out of the game and like out of the solar system with the concussion that he had. He they need another piece in the secondary. They need that would be the first place I would look. I think they do need another receiver. And, you know, I was a little disappointed in the pass rush.
They didn't really get home. This is a place where the Bills have really invested quite a lot of draft capital. They've paid some of these guys as well.
May have more to pay. And so I was a little bummed that they didn't have a bigger game. I thought they really flummox Lamar Jackson quite a bit. A week before, I felt like Lamar really felt the pressure, especially in the first half of the game where he turned the ball over twice. But I, I was a little surprised the passwords didn't get home. But I think they were trying to compensate, quite frankly, because the secondary was so banged up and you could tell my homes was picking on guys. It was I think secondary would be my number one place. All right.
So Super Bowl fifty nine. We look forward to your coverage, of course. We will be on location. We just got our spot at the alligator farm on Monday. Oh, I'll be I'll be I'll be back watching it all happen. That's that's great.
What a baby alligator. Sure. Why not? I right now, two weeks, two weeks out. I shouldn't I mean, I don't I think I'm going to pick the Eagles is what I'm saying.
Whoa. But why? Why? Why would anyone in their right mind ever pick against the Chiefs?
I think I just I remember from the movie The Big Short. People bet on what they want to happen. Yeah. So I keep saying, oh, the Chiefs will finally lose this time. Do you have a two weeks out thought on the game? Bart, did Margot Robbie tell you to pick the Eagles?
Is that what this is about? She did. And I listen to anything she says.
I figured you had her direct number. I I I'm not going to be that look at you, Bart. Always have to be outside the box, you know, thinking differently that everyone else going to pick the Eagles. I'm going to pick the Chiefs, but that's mostly to annoy my co-host, who's diehard Philadelphia. Actually, it probably annoy him more if I pick the Eagles is some kind of like that is so lame. You guys are the perfect recipe. And for the show and the Chiefs. That sucks. I'd be I'd be not more mad, but I'd be very mad about that.
We were so close and we actually had already picked out like the punishment for whoever's team had lost. Not that we were looking ahead, but just like, you know, we're shopping ideas. Sometimes these things you got to get approval like H.R. gets involved in a lot of suits and e-mails.
And you want to do anything like it takes 100 e-mails. But Zach Gelb, who's also on the Infinity Sports Network, had given us this good idea of whoever's team loses, gets a baptism by either cheese whiz or blue cheese. And I'm just really, really bummed that I'm not going to see Andrew Perloff have to dump cheese whiz all over. Well, I'd say maybe next year, but with the Chiefs in the way.
Probably not. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you so much. Sorry that it took the Bills losing again for you to come on the show. But we appreciate your time. Can I ask you a question?
Yeah, I was. Can I ask about how the Packer faithful are feeling right now? I I'm obsessed with the Packers. I think they are the most interesting team. One of the most interesting teams in the NFL, like top to bottom. Everything about them is interesting to me from quarterback to coach to defense.
Everything is interesting. All right. So I thought there was I thought you could play that game against the Eagles 100 times. They would have never won. I didn't I didn't feel good about what happened. I think Leflore. I don't think he thinks Jordan Love is as good as some of the fans think he might be.
I think the floor is playing it a little safe. I also don't trust. I don't it's not that I don't think Leflore is a good coach and I think he's better than you know, sometimes we say just a coordinator, not a coach. He's better than that. But I don't think that he is great. And I don't this guy for seven years, every press conference he comes out and tells you all the reasons why he sucked in that game.
Well, you know, you deflect a little bit, but after seven years, you've been telling people, I'm no good. We're going to start to believe you. So I still think Jordan Love the extension. I think that's that's the right move.
But this year, if they're not any further than I would, if they're not back in a championship game, then I think you've got to start to look at pivoting one way or the other. Wow. So it's Leflore who's going to wear this.
Of course. Leflore had two years of love, four years of Rogers. What do we got?
Couple NFC championship games the first two years. Not going back since. I mean, let's go here. You know how to do it. Get get go. You don't have my homes in your face.
Go get there. Can't do it. NFC much air quotes, easier path. Yeah, I mean, you had the NFC championship game at home, right?
The COVID year. No fans. Tom Brady throws three picks in the second half and you lose.
How does that happen? And then he can't beat his buddy, Kyle Shanahan. It's a disaster.
See, this is like what the Bills are working with, with McDermott and Andy Reid. Walgreens hanger pack review. January twenty twenty five. You want to talk about eggs? These mother suckers keep going up in price. And the Walgreens I was at had it like steel proof tonight. Who is stealing these? They're junk. So I've always liked buying these, but they've gotten worse.
I like buying them because there was old cars that reminded you of yesteryear and then like an old pack of 1991 score that you could open. Now it's all of these like unlicensed college nonsense and it just makes the experience worse. This is already a bad experience.
They've made it worse. I'm not trying to pull a banger here. I just want to open old cards and they keep giving me garbage. So let's take a look at what we've got tonight. First off, the pack, a twenty twenty three sage. I don't want this. I want 90 pro set junk.
All right. Let's look at who we have today. Paul Moyer, Seahawks, junk. Chris Hinton, junk. Kurt Warner, the OG Kurt Warner. Comment, Max Montoya.
Respect to his family. John Elliott. Stop me when you've heard of one of these guys. Derek Fenner. Joe Phillips. Mike Babb.
Cleveland Browns. At least these are the old cards that I wanted. I am happy about that. Oh, God, here it comes. This is the nonsense.
This is the nonsense. These. I don't want these.
Not only did I get this pack, but then I get. Ten of these. Ledamion Webb. Trey Benson. Jacob Cowing. Xavier Worthy. Oh, I got a Xavier rookie. Wow.
This is junk. There's a million of those printed. Tavian Robinson. Colin Schley. Tavian Robinson. Barry Sanders. I'm going to keep this card. Why? Brennan Armstrong.
Which school is he at there? Oh, it doesn't know because they're unlicensed. These aren't even licensed. These are junk. Why do they make these? Who buys these? Ever you ever go to Wal-Mart and try to, like, buy a new box of cards?
Like the good kind? They're all gone. And it's 12 of these packs. Why are they making these?
Nobody wants them. Minco Regimio. Maisie Smith. Bryce. Ford Wheaton. Tanner McKee.
Marvin Mims. Just garbage all around. What else do we have?
Oh, one of these snuck in. A different year. Christian Harris. DeForest Buckner. Glenn Parker.
Tavian Robinson. I pulled that over. Could you tell? Magician never reveals.
I only got two of them. Let's see. What else did we get here? Tavian Robinson. Oh, my God. John Raide.
Perry and Winfrey. Look at this card. Is this his full signature? I've got to at least go.
Did he just stop at Pear? Courtney Hawkins. John Gessick.
I guess I won't be buying one of these ever again. Skip Hicks. Darryl Grant. Wilbur Marshall. That's what I'll do. I'll announce these like SNL.
That's more exciting. Vincent Baker. Oh, it's Vin Baker.
Keep that one. Dennis Smith. Marcus Nash.
Wait, this is a basketball card. How'd this get in here? Who is making these? Robert Perryman. Shavarini.
Darren Shavarini. I paid seven bucks for that. So you didn't have to. What a scam. And not even a good one, because I'll be back.
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