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You need Indeed. Welcome into the Winklerverse! I am Bart Winkler, flanked by Ryan Horvat of BetMGM tonight. It is great to see your face.
It is great to hear your voice. You've got a huge, oh my god Horvat, you've got a huge weekend coming up. Well, Monday I guess. Dude, biggest weekend.
I mean, I can't sleep until Monday, right? I said this though, I was like, the Packers will be sacrificed so I take full blame for that playoff loss because Notre Dame is actually going to win a big game. I knew they were going to beat Penn State. What I love, man, is nobody's picking Notre Dame, but everybody's cheering for Notre Dame.
No longer are we like, and I'm a we guy, you know that. So no longer, even though I didn't go there. I do kind of agree with the people that are like, you can't cheer for a college if you didn't go there, but I went to Western Illinois.
I don't agree with that. You get one. I didn't go to Wisconsin. I went in the system, which apparently doesn't count, but it's not like I love Wisconsin and I love Marquette and I'm a huge Oregon fan. I have my team that I've liked since I was five. You know, Fridays would be the Fondy Cardinals high school team. Saturdays were the Badgers and Sundays were the Packers.
This is what I was enjoying at the age of six. Yeah, I get where like, you know, a lot of the Wisconsin guys say that because they had the opportunity. I could have went to Wisconsin, but I couldn't get into Notre Dame. Like if you went to Joliet Catholic, unless you were going to go to Wisconsin, but then 80% of my high school went there and I'm like, I probably should go somewhere else.
Yeah. Like Mike Goolsbee like went to my high school and like he's one of the best linebackers in Notre Dame history. Rudy went there. But like, you know, I'm not a fucking dork like Rudy. I wasn't going to go get my ass kicked for four years just to get just to make one special teams play. Although you probably should have that.
I could have went around, you know, Joliet, Illinois, given motivational speeches. You're probably the right enough height that they would have made Rudy too after you. Oh, good one, man. I know. I know. I know. So yeah, I'm really excited though. I actually had a ticket to the game, but I can't get off of work. Go figure. You know, it's just the life that we live. So I ended up selling it and I had to sell it.
I had two options, right? Our board op is a Notre Dame fan. And I was like, dude, he loves Notre Dame though. Like he's like, I'm kind of like, Hey, I think we're fucked against Ohio state. And he's like, no, you got to believe in shit like that. So I was like, you know, I'll send you for free, dude, but you got to like, obviously get yourself there. And the ticket was like, no, I mean, a lot of it was like two K and he was like, Oh, I can't afford the trip.
And I was, I was thinking about that though. I was like, man, like you live in Chicago. I think Atlanta is only like a couple hours. Like for me to drive, it would be 12 hours.
Can't make it work. But Atlanta's 12 hours. Yeah. No drive. Yeah. Drive like 10 hours and 37 minutes.
And I always, I'll have to stop eight times. So, so anyway, I ended up having to sell it to an Ohio state fan because it was the best offer. And at the end of the day, as Giannis would say, I had to take the most money. So I took the most money.
I'm a trader. They'll probably lose because of it, but I'm really excited. And I'm also excited for the divisional games, even though Green Bay is not going to be playing.
I was playing with house money. Either the Packers were going to win or my preseason Superbowl pick was going to carry on and I picked the Eagles. So I feel pretty good about them. Well, I picked Detroit, Kansas city at the beginning of the year.
And we'll get to the picks in a second. Obviously the Packers lost. Yeah, I, I didn't, I didn't take it too hard. I know you and I were bitching at each other all night, but I didn't take it too hard because I had no expectations like none. Like if you play this game a hundred times, we lose them all.
My dad and our little family, Chad is like, like he was treating it like it was a normal year. Keep the faith. You got to believe. It's like, no, not this year. I'm telling you, they don't have it.
Tucker Kraft was even saying that kind of stuff. Like we knew it was, this was, this was coming. So now it's year three of Jordan. Love is a starter. And now any like, oh, wait and see, have patience, that kind of stuff with me. I'm going from zero to 60 because they need to deliver a result. That is either you lose on death's door in the NFC championship, or you get to a Superbowl.
Otherwise we got to figure out what's wrong here. And I don't think it's Jordan love. I think it's more Matt Lafleur. I threw out this the other day that if Mike McCarthy wanted to come back, I would fire the floor from McCarthy in a minute. No, I would. God, no, dude, if he goes to the bears, they're going to kick our ass for a decade.
No, they're not. Yeah. That'd be the worst thing for the bears. It'd be decent for Caleb, but it would be bad for the bears.
All right. So what do you, what do you want? Like what, what, what's the minimum that they need to do in 25 before we're like, something's not working here.
Cause I think the minimum for me, I'm going to put NFC championship game aspirations on this team. It's year seven of Lafleur, year three of love. Like the fuck are we waiting for? Yeah, dude. Like good. He said something like that too. Yeah. But okay. Let me get to that motherfucker here in a minute though.
So, um, yeah. So, you know, what's funny is I've realized as a Packers fan, man, is that if you can't beat them, you just join them. So what I did on Sunday was I still, I don't hate Jordan love. I don't think he sucks.
I'm going to get there in a minute though, but every time Rogers lost in the playoffs, even if it was the San Francisco game where he goes 22 for 28, 226 yards and yeah, I'm bringing up Rogers. So blow me because this is, this is what got me on trouble on social media the other night. Right. So I joked there was a couple of GZTV nation after you.
Yeah. Everybody was going after me. People were like, unfollowing me. Somebody like brought up that my kid broke his femur, which was crazy. I hope that person rots in hell. Like people were like, some guy called me a tool.
People were calling me all these bad words, but like, if anybody knows me, they know exactly what I was doing. I was trolling like is 41 year old Aaron Rogers going to win that football game? No, but that's a playoff game. Rogers probably would have won it.
26, 27 years old, right? Because the defense showed up, man. Jalen hurts kind of stunk. Saquon was always going to be a problem. Saquon torches every defense, but I thought the defense and Jeff Halfley's game plan was good enough to win the football game. I thought the floor stunk and I thought like Jordan Love, I get all of his receivers died and I get his offensive line was all banged up.
But that was the problem, man. Just keep taking the free cheese, the intermediate stuff on those throws in between zero to 10 yards. He was 17 for 21 passing when he tried to push the ball down the field. He was three for 10, three for 13 and threw three picks.
That's the shit that I talked about when he was at Utah State. That's the Jordan Love from the first 10 weeks of the season. That said, I'm going to defend Jordan Love. I don't think Jordan Love sucks, but I worry that Matt... He just said he did.
Hold on. I think that Matt Leflore thinks Jordan Love sucks. Right now, one of them sucks. And I know that Leflore has got a lot of good in him and I know that Jordan Love has a lot of talent in him. But I don't love his decision making skills and I never have. Right.
And so it's also really unfair. Like this is the whole thing, right, with Jordan Love. Why I didn't like the draft pick and everybody knows, oh, you wanted T. Higgins, Horvath. But no, no, no, because now you had to pay Jordan Love. You had to make him the highest paid quarterback in the league.
And I get that doesn't matter, right? Like next year somebody else will be. And the next year somebody else will be. Oh my God, I can't believe Goff's the highest paid quarterback. Five of the top eight guys are guys from the 2020 draft. You get your turn, you get paid.
All these guys have a ton of money. So like, you know, I'm not worried about any of their contracts. But it was just like, man, Jordan Love went on a run the final four games of the season against lesser competition. And I know we balled out against the Cowboys, but the Cowboys defense stunk the last four games of the season. They completely fell off a cliff, played good enough to win against San Francisco until, you know, the boneheaded stuff, dude.
The throw across the body. You just got to you can't do that in the playoffs. Mahomes and the Chiefs, like they could try shit out in the regular season because they've won three Super Bowls. They've won back to back Super Bowls. Packers don't have that luxury. So, yeah, to answer your question, NFC championship game, because for Packers fans, that's our Super Bowl. I can't be like he has to win a Super Bowl because Rogers won one. And that year they shouldn't even have won the Super Bowl, man.
They had much better teams. But what I was doing on Sunday was the same shit that everybody does to me, whether it's Rogers with the Jets, whether it would be Rogers against San Francisco, I wouldn't even get the first 48 as a Packers fan to just be miserable and want to die and lay in bed. Roger sucks.
He's washed. You know, trade him time for love. So now when love throws three picks, I'm going to say Jordan Love fucking sucks.
Because, again, like I reminded everybody, all you dipshits, not you guys like I love all of you, by the way. But it's just, man, people were going hard on me. But, like, Rogers wasn't going one on one against the San Francisco 49ers, against, you know, Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick. Just like Jordan Love wasn't going one on one against the Eagles.
Right? Rogers lost against these teams because David Bakhtiari blew his fucking knee up. Or because Mike McCarthy was kicking field goals on fourth and one. Or Matt Leflore is sending the field goal unit out. Or because EQ is dropping balls in the back of the end zone, so he's like, fuck this guy, I'm going to force everything to Devante.
So Rogers was awesome, but it's hard to win Super Bowls. Jordan Love's a good quarterback, but Jordan Love right now I don't think has a play caller that believes in him. And he's all back in his bad habits again. I watch Jordan Love when he goes to the line of scrimmage, and I know exactly who his read is. I know exactly who he's going to try to force the ball to. And it's like, now there's all these excuses.
And here's where it goes back to Gudekens, though. Now everybody's like, well, Jordan Love doesn't have a veteran wide receiver. You got to go out and get a T. Higgins. The fuck? I wanted T. Higgins when he was cheap.
And that's the thing. You draft a quarterback when you need a quarterback. Right now, the Texans have C.J. Stroud on a rookie deal. Next year, the Broncos will spend money because they have Bo Nix on a rookie deal. Like the Packers don't have that luxury because they had to pay Jordan Love because he never got the play on a rookie deal. Because they were already paying the highest paid quarterback in Aaron Rodgers. Who they gave a new contract to after they drafted Love. Yeah, so now it's unfair that Love has to throw the ball to Romeo Dobbs and Christian Watson, right? Just like it was unfair that Rodgers was throwing the ball to Jeff Janison playoff games. This is where that falls on Ted and this falls on Goot. But it's funny because everybody wants to blow Goot's balls when he makes a good draft pick.
Edger and Cooper. But then, like, it's, oh, well Jordan Love was throwing, Dobbs got hurt. I love Dobbs, man. Dobbs is not a number one wide receiver. You can't go out and pay T. Higgins. Or you can, I guess.
But, I don't know. That's the problem, though. So Jordan Love, unfortunately, is going to have to win with, you know, these young receivers. And there's going to be injuries.
And he's going to have to overcome those injuries. And no quarterback is going to win in the playoffs this weekend throwing three interceptions in a fucking game. I love Justin Herbert. I was just as hard on Justin Herbert. He fucking sucked this weekend, too. He threw more interceptions this weekend than he did all season long. If you're telling me that Jordan Love played good on Sunday, good enough to win a football game, you're insane.
If you're telling me he played good enough in the second half against the Niners last year, you're insane. And I know this is the youngest team. But, like, when is he going to win then?
That's the other thing. He didn't even start, he didn't start until he was 26. He's going to be 28 fucking years old next year, man. So that's why I find it funny that everybody's like, oh, fuck you, Horvat.
Jordan Love, ride or die, motherfucker. You're not a Packers fan, right? And I'm like, OK, so I can't criticize Goop because they didn't have a healthy receiver, right?
No. I can't criticize Lafleur for not believing in his quarter. I believe in Jordan Love more than Lafleur does, right?
Like, again, the first 10 weeks of last season. I think I, you know what? I think I believe that. I believe you when you say that.
I believe that. So the first 10 weeks of last season, they baby Jordan Love, right? And they were like, ah, we're out of it. Let's see what the kid has. Then they let him rip, and he was awesome.
And that's what I want. Like, you know, and I hate that it's like, well, Favre threw six picks in a playoff game. That was 30 years ago.
That was a whole, and he had CTE then, right? Like, this is a different brand of football nowadays. And Jordan Love will never be Favre. He'll never be as good as Favre. He'll never be as good as Rodgers. Or maybe he will, but he's going to be different because he's Jordan Love, right? He's not Bart. He's not any of these guys. We've got to stop comparing every era of Packers football. Everybody needs to be better.
And here's what scares me the most about that team, dude, is Jordan Love does need to be more of a leader. Where's this Horvat on social media? If a guy runs, well, I had to troll on Sunday because I was like, that's the other thing. I was like 15 beers deep. I had friends that I haven't seen in town, and they're all like Bears fans, so they're just talking shit the entire time. I had $1,200 on the Packers. You know every year I got to bet $500 on them to win the Super Bowl. So I'm just watching all my Dave Matthews summer tour money crumble because Jordan Love keeps throwing the ball to the other team.
But here's my biggest problem, right, with Love. It's not even the turnovers. He's got to be a dick. And I know you guys, oh, Rodgers is such a dick. I can't believe he yelled at James Jones on national TV.
You know what didn't happen after that Monday night game? James Jones never ran the wrong route ever again. Well, it's different yelling at James Jones than it is Christian Watson.
What's that? It's different yelling at a veteran like Jones than yelling at a rookie because Rodgers shoots him a look, and he's trying to telepathically tell him, hey, I need you to run the route Jordy Nelson ran week eight in 2014. Tom Brady would be motherfucking his offensive lineman on the sidelines going right after Josh McDaniels.
Unfortunately, to play that position, dude, you got to be a dick. Now, Love's different, I get. And if we get to Jordan Love, we got the last five, six games of last season and a couple times this season.
Awesome. Also, here's another excuse I'll make for him. He was never healthy this season. Lower body injury.
No, never. Lower body injury. What do we know? There's a good chance he couldn't feel his goddamn arm, and that's why he couldn't make the throw. So was I hard on him?
Yeah. But unfortunately, he's the highest paid quarterback in the league. And that's what you guys told me with Rogers, right, when I would make excuses that he's playing on a torn calf. He's playing against a historically good defense in the Niners and the Seahawks. It's hard to win football games in the playoffs.
And he played all right. You guys would say, no, he's making one hundred and seventy five million. Well, now Jordan loves making the same amount of money. So shit or get off the pot next year. But here's here's the problem. It's not just him like there's something up in that locker room and I'm all the floor guy.
I'm not calling for his head, but I wonder if people are calling for his head. If the playoffs don't add the extra team, the seventh team, because that would be back to back years. The pack. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Just like how Ryan Day saved his job because they went to a 12 game playoff. Yeah. So I wonder, two years in a row, they don't make the playoffs.
They cut ties with Rogers. Then people don't like Matt Leflore as much. And also, I worry a little bit about him because when there's bad culture in a locker room, it falls on the head coach.
Right. And it seems like there's terrible culture right now in the Packers locker room. I hear Alexander clearly doesn't want to be there.
Preston Smith. I get a lot of that with scheme, but you don't have many veterans. It's weird to trade a veteran on the youngest team in all of football mid-season. And I get you got something for him.
It ended up being a good deal. I get you want to get your younger guys out there. But Dobbs just doesn't show up for a couple of weeks. You know, and he and he gets suspended for conduct detrimental to the team. We hear. I don't really like how the floor even said that about Jordan Love.
Have that conversation with him in private. I don't want you to tell Ryan Wood in the media that he needs to be more of a vocal leader. Leflore at the podium is.
Every time you build confidence in Leflore, when he gets to the podium, he's like the first coach ever in that podium. Because, you know, these reporters like want to be friends with the coach. Yeah. This motherfucker wants to be friends with the reporters.
Here's the thing. Dude, I told you this when we talk about when he goes against Salah. When he goes against Shani, when he goes against his buddies, other than McVeigh, when McVeigh has a shitty team, he gets shoved in a locker because he's the guy.
He's the cup chair. And you know why I say that? So I didn't like those comments. I could say Jordan Love sucks on social media because I'm a nobody.
You know, I do a show from 7 to 11 about gambling. I can say that shit. I can't say that if I'm the head coach and I can't. I don't I don't want to hear that my quarterback needs to be more of a leader. This and that.
I'm not making excuses for an injury. This, that. Right. You don't throw guys under the bus at the podium if you're the head coach.
Right. He would never. And I say this, that he's the cup because he would never do that to Rogers. He's a leader. He would always defend Rogers no matter what. More than I defend Rogers. I will be like, fuck, Rogers suck. And the floor would be like, well, he's going through some things.
This and that. He didn't do that for Jordan. So I worry, does the floor think Jordan loves the guy?
And I hope that he does because they paid Jordan Love a lot of money. I do. Right. But also, you know, it just seems like there's bad culture, man.
Tucker crafts second year players. Like I need to be more of a leader. We need to wake up.
I don't know. You know, you don't, like I said, you don't have many vets on the team and all the vets want out. So I worry a little bit about the culture and that falls on coaching, not Jordan Love. So I'm not calling for the floor's head, but I do think I will after next year.
I I'm not, but I'm not, but I'm getting ready to. Yeah. Yeah.
I think Jordan Love does that too, because I do want Jordan Love to be good. I just, I work like if he is a betting man and you asked me, is he going to win a Super Bowl? I'd bet.
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I got a lot going on, dude. I got R3. How do you get rid of a hemorrhoid? I got arthritis in my hips and I got the Peyton Manning. I got the pinched nerve slipped disc. So I get the, just the tingles, man, but I don't want to have surgery. I'm too young.
So I'm just doing a lot of yoga and I've lost like 50 pounds. So how do you get rid of a hemorrhoid? You got to ask like my grandfather that I haven't had, I'm not there yet. I'm getting there though. I'm getting old.
I need to know like a bath I can take with salt or something. I'm sure someone will let me know. All right. Division around picks this weekend. There are four games. One of them, I am more excited for Bill's Ravens than I was about the Packers. This is the, like, this is not the Superbowl, but I don't, I'm not, the, the storylines converging here.
It's just, it's a buildup to like a season finale. So I'm very excited for this game and we'll get to that. The other three, it really does seem like all the home teams are going to win. Now will they all cover and also will they all win? Like there, there's gotta be one upset in here.
And I think, I think each like commander's going to be trendy Rams going to, you know, and then they like fade away. I think a lot of people are taking, and they said this on the big short, remember that movie? A lot of people bet for what they want to happen. Yep.
You can't do that. No. So a lot of people want the chiefs to lose the chiefs are an eight point favorite against Houston.
Yeah. I understand a lot of the reason why you could say the chiefs have rust or they've been too lucky all year or whatever. And I don't know that the chiefs do get it done. They were my Superbowl pick, as I said. And I do think like, they're not, this is not the greatest chiefs team ever, but no one's ever been better at winning 28 to 23. I mean, they are, they have figured that out.
They have mastered luck. I don't, this is, it doesn't end here to me. Eight points. I will take the Texans to cover, but it's going to be like a six or seven point game. I'm taking the chiefs. You're going to take the chiefs to win Texans to cover here.
I think so. Yeah, man. See, I kind of, a lot of us want the Texans and then if the Texans win, if the Texans win, then that game on Sunday is all of a sudden, Oh, we're not just playing to go to arrowhead. We're playing to host the fucking championship game against the goddamn Texans. I just, I don't, I can't make the case for the Texans. So I actually planned on betting the Texans just because I'm with you.
I could see them, even if it's a backdoor cover or playing this game tough because of that defense, like the Texans, both of these defenses are top 10. That's why this total went from 43 to 41 and a half, which is going to be the, this is going to be the lowest total of the game that Mahomes has ever played in. And I just feel like there's a little bit of disrespect for this chief's offense, even going against this Texans defense, they're going to get pressure on Mahomes with Hunter and with will Anderson, but it's Pat Mahomes, dude. It comes down to that. Like I wish, I mean, I'm a Rogers guy, but I wish we just like, I wish he was Mahomes or Brady and you just knew every year you were going to find a way to get it done. Cause that's what they're going to do. I know people want the chiefs to lose and the chiefs not to cover, but I can't even bet the Texans in this spot because I can legitimately see the Texans winning this game.
I'm sorry. The chiefs winning this game by like 10 to 17 points. The scary thing about them is they've been dicking around all season and now they mean business and now they're healthy. Like I love the Hollywood Brown pickup and he's been back for two games and Mahomes has been targeted him on like 33% of his routes when he's out there. So you got him, Kelsey in the playoffs is just another dude.
Yeah. The defense is awesome. And it's also Steve Spagnola going against that Texans offensive line, which has been horrendous all season. One of the worst in the national football league and Stroud hasn't been good. I know like the numbers look good, but he wasn't even good last week against the chargers. I think he had like four turnover where they plays.
They were just like dropping picks. I'll take the chiefs here. I'm just looking at the season.
Their wins have come by seven, one, five, seven, 13, 10, seven, six, two, three, two, two, 14 against the Browns, 19 against the Steelers and then Texans eight. So you know, maybe they are. I'm not, I'm not worried about, I'm not worried about Ross or whatever.
I'm not worried about any of that. Yeah. Yeah. This is the chiefs, but it is the chiefs and the chiefs feel most comfortable winning games that are close.
I'm so happy that we're doing this again that I got to do a Horvatism dude. You know who the chiefs remind me of they're the 95 96 bulls because one, they win every year, right? They have the best player, MJ Mahomes, right? Pippen, Kelsey, Andy Reed, all of a sudden Phil Jackson. Just you know, not like smoking weed and doing hippie bitch in the desert and whatnot, but they Dick around in the regular season. We overreact. The only difference is people love the bulls except for outside of Chicago. See, I don't know.
People in New York didn't though. I'm sure, you know, they didn't want Jordan to win every year, but they Dick around in the regular season coach, then in the playoffs, they just turn it on. Goo gooch is Harrison bucker, but he believes in women's rights. Goo gooch allows his wife to watch in Croatia.
I don't in split Croatia. I don't know if his wife was working, but that's who they are. You know, are there, are there like, you know, um, LeBron's heat, but they're an NBA team. That's what they are though. They Dick around in the regular season. We're like, Oh man, they only won by three.
Then the playoffs are all around last year. Remember Kelsey was washed and then game one of the playoffs, he had like 15 receptions and broke Jerry. Rice is right. Jerry's eating rice. He broke Jerry. Rice is record. I love what you eat.
What you eat and Jerry rice, rice, Jerry's eating rice, Jerry's eating rice. All right. Maybe you talked me into the chiefs.
Yeah. Chiefs. I'm going to bet him now. I'm going to bet 500 on them actually right now.
Oh, well, I'm not going to do that. We're going to chief on the Texans and then chew them up as gummies from happy hunt. All right.
Yeah. So I need to make an official pick. I'm chiefs for me. Just the Texans. They weren't the Texans winning one year, like 20 to five against Kansas city.
So that was bill O'Brien. They were up. They were up fucking three scores.
This is like my home's first year in the play. Give me the chiefs juice. Bill O'Brien faked the punt in his own territory. Also Deshaun Watson was the quarterback.
Whatever ended up happening to him. All right. The lions are nine and a half point favorite over the commanders and the commanders are a great story. Yeah. Um, and I'm, I'm on the Dan Campbell's going to fuck this up train. I really do believe he will fuck something up.
Um, are you asking? Dan's defense is banged up as shit. I think Detroit is going to put up a 50 spot on these motherfuckers. I think they are just going to have the offense explosion. Like it's a college bowl game. They are going to score a lot of points. So are they going to score 50 and the commander score 40 no, the lion single-handedly cost Sam Darnold $50 million before he decided to cost himself another 75.
Dude, I feel so bad for him. Yeah, I do too. But I'm going to take the lions to cover the nine and a half. So I bet this one and I bet the command this one to 10 for like a second minus one 15 and I bet it, but I'm with you. I could see this being a complete blowout. Like the commanders keep barely winning. Even the field goal. The way the commanders cover is too late touchdowns in the fourth.
Like I'll say this though. I mean, they're going to blitz the shit out of Jayden, right? But Jayden's not Sam Darnold, right? Jayden is Mike Vick 3.0. Um, what would worry me as a lions fan is that it's on Saturday night and weird shit happens on Saturday night. Because of Jayden Daniels last year, I was able to go to Camden, New Jersey for the Dave Matthews band tour and sit like, like where we're at on like Dave Matthews was right in front of me.
I got the best seats because he won me that Heisman. I don't bet against Jayden somehow, some way the commanders cover and you know what? I want, I want the lions at home with us.
So a left hand up. I'm picking the commanders to pull off the upset. Somebody's getting beat this weekend. I'm cheering for the Toby's. I got all the radio stations upstairs right now. They're all, I'm all fired up. Here's the thing, dude.
I know the line. Like I just said, I try to stand up and don't want to go. I have these brewers, two of them that cause this seat's not comfortable anymore.
It's a dope seat though. I'm going to go to the Goldberg. Me and my son are going to a SmackDown on February 14th, Valentine's day here at DC. Oh, we are like, we're going to be season ticket holders when they come to town. He's he loves that shit now.
Yeah. He's going to be Jack dude. He's going to be, well, he already is Jack, but we went to summer slam in Cleveland. It was amazing. Roman came back. Huh? Top top five moment in my life. Just watching him just go crazy. Yell at solo.
You're not the real tribal chief motherfucker without the motherfucker though. And when Roman and those guys came out, I just looked like I'm, I'm watching and I look at my kid, five years old stone faced and I got this picture on my, uh, fridge now stone faced, holding up the one as if he's a disciple. Yeah.
Wrestling's the shit dude. Cause he, cause to him he is dude. They don't know. They don't know. Like Cody Rhodes was telling the, was it Cody that was telling the story that he didn't even know wrestling was fake until he was 12 because his dad wanted to keep it real. I don't know. You interviewed the guy.
It was somebody, somebody that's available on the YouTube stream. Yeah. Just check it out. Do you want to hear Cody Rose four years ago?
Check. What was that? It was before WrestleMania when we, it was before the first time he lost to Rome.
He lost 39. Oh, Oh yeah. Yeah. I thought it was like AEW Cody. No. Cause we thought he was going to win. That's right.
And I'm like, when you win, are you combining the belts? I'm glad that he didn't though. It made the story that much better. Anyway. Commander's plus nine and a half for me. You're not just drinking the DC building Kool-Aid.
I am a little bit. I can, I mean, I could see the lions. I don't know that the lions are going to be able to get consistent stops. Their defense is all beat up and it's like, I just can't, like it's Zadarius Smith. It's the lions. St. Brown talks way too much shit.
He doesn't even know how to spell Green Bay. Remember when I was like, this team's likable. I can't, I hate them. I like minutes.
I can't even believe I'm this, these words. I liked the Minnesota more because I was cheering for Sam Darnold to rip them off of a hundred million dollars. So I like kind of, and they have Aaron Jones. I can't do it with Detroit. I want Detroit to lose this game outright.
So I know what you said. I mean, I never bet with my heart, but here I am, here I am, and I'm going to be watching this game with some local people and it's like all you could eat and drink and they're paying for me to go. Cause I told them I don't leave the couch for games, but I'll take some free food and drink after the Packers cost me $1,700, man.
Cause there's gotta be one of these upsets. And then I look at the Rams Eagles and the Rams are rams ain't beating the Eagles six and a half point dogs. And the Rams, the Rams were my big pick last. Well, I really liked Houston. All I got wrong last week was the Buccaneers commanders.
I dude. So here's how the Rams win that game, but I don't, but, but I don't, I don't like the Rams this weekend. So if I don't like the Rams this weekend and I want to take an upset, well then I've got to go backwards, but I don't, I, the lines are going to score a lot of points. So it's just a matter of do the commander's cover unless golf, there was a bunch of picks. Maybe, maybe Marsha and hammer and golf props.
I saw some of your show the other night. I am. I like, I mean like, yeah, they should score a bunch of points. I, he should have a ton like the commanders defensively or, or a sieve. They have no secondary. That's why they got Lattimore and he looks washed as shit. He I think I'm going to take all the favorites because I'm taking Philly. Yeah. I mean, it's been how it's went this season.
They started slow. They got it out of their system against our shitty ass team. Favorites have been winning all year long.
This is like the best year for favorites in NFL history. Yeah. Again, people bet on what they want to happen. Like what I would do, what I did, what I'm going to do actually, when we re when I go to bed MGM, I'm going to take chief's money line and I'm going to parlay it with the, with the, with the lions, but it's like minus 200.
I'm just a psycho. The other way you could do this would be a teaser, but the problem is there's some teaser protection here because it's a six point teaser. So you could tease the chiefs from eight and a half to two and a half. They only got to win by a field goal and then you could tease the lions from nine and a half, but it would only be teased the three and a half.
So you're not even getting the, see, that's why these numbers are so accurate and that's why teasers are dead, but I'm going to money line parlay them. I think the lions win, but don't cover. And I think that the chiefs probably win or I'm probably cover, but they definitely win. Like the lions are winning and the chiefs are winning most likely. But if there was an upset, I think before CJ Stroud beats Mahomes, Jayden Daniels beats Jared Goff. Fair. And I know I got done just saying earlier, like quarterbacks don't go one on one or Rogers would have 80 rings, but you know, I need to, I need to get better at this because I've been playing these, you know, the over unders or in Wisconsin, you can only play the more or less apps.
Yeah. Um, and against the Vikings Rams, I'm like, well, this is going to be a shootout. Jefferson over Puka over, uh, cup over Addison over. They were all under, I mean, it's one thing to get one wrong, but, or three wrong, but they like when you betting props.
All you want to do is bet overs though. I pull all unders pretty much in the playoffs because like the play it's like in the NBA, dude, like the game, like in the NBA, you're not going to see these high ass scores because it becomes a half court game. Teams actually play defense. I'm not saying in the NFL, like teams aren't trying defensively, but like, for example, this Washington, Detroit game, that's the highest total for a playoff game since I think 2022, 2023. And the total went under in that game. I forgot who it was, but everybody's like, Oh, no, it was, uh, I want to say it was Cleveland, Kansas city, Baker versus Mahomes.
I think this is the highest total since then. It went under. It was like, so I guess I'm taking all the favorites. Is that what you're doing? I'm no, I'm taking the commanders commanders. Yeah.
Commandos baby left hand up or whatever they say. All right. And then the marquee game, I don't know what I keep saying on the air is that I'm going to say, I'm going to, I'm going to get the sentence out and say, the Buffalo bills are winning this game. But by the time I finished the sentence, I'm like, no, it's going to be the Ravens. Then if I say the Ravens, same thing, I think where I, what I'm leaning towards without looking at anything with just trying to like, you know, psychic this thing is my gut. It's not a gut feeling. It's more in my head. I feel it is Baltimore.
Yeah. Baltimore is the popular pick, right? I mean, and probably the pro pick, obviously Buffalo open is a one and a half point favorite and immediately money flew in on the Ravens and they became a one and a half point favorite.
So you had reverse line movement. So, you know, usually you'd follow that, but I haven't heard one person this week that's came on our show, come on our show, make the case for the bills. And I, I, I mean, I, a couple of weeks ago, I played the Ravens to win the super bowl because their defense went from the worst pass defense in the league. The first 10 weeks to the best, they made a couple of changes. They put Humphrey in the slot full time. Uh, they put our Darius Washington at free safety and now they have the number one defense. It's Henry it's Lamar, but dude, I think this flowers injury is huge.
I might come back. Yeah, I know. But I, is he 60, 70%? I just, I think Josh Hanlon is on a fucking mission to, to prove Rami wrong. Just like Jordan Love's going to be on a mission to prove me wrong.
I mean, he barely threw any picks. I think, uh, Buffalo's at home. There's going to be shit.
Know what? I'm doing it right now. I'm going to run down to bet MGM. I'm going to bet. It's going to be $500 smaller bet, but I'm going to go bills.
Moneyline I swear to God, I'll send you the ticket. $500 on the bills. I just decided. Yeah. Bills are winning this game.
You got to stick with your initial pick. Anytime I go back and I'm like, shit, you know, the badgers, they are, they are seven and a half points. No, you bet them. They're at the Cole center.
It doesn't matter who they're playing. It's going to be an ass kicking the Cole center ass kicking. Right?
Isn't that a frames, frames, frames. He's right about that. You just lay that you lay, you want to make that bet. I might throw a hundred year away on the bills. Buffalo bills, baby. The Buffalo bills. Nobody circles the wagon like the Buffalo bills. Plus, I mean, I love, I love Lamar and all. Maybe this will inspire them to go out and get a T Higgins because let's be honest, dude, the Packers.
No shot. I keep seeing these fucking like cheese, cheese heads, like Crosby. Like are we really, we've all been alive for nearly 40 years.
So we really, some of us longer, are we still doing this? Dude, we, all we had to give up was a third round pick for Tony Gonzalez. And we were like, nah, we, we got to draft fucking who even knows who that ended up.
Brad Jones. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Yeah. The guy that is threatening to blow everybody up or whatever.
Remember that psycho Packers have also drafted some weird dudes, but then again, it's the NFL. So who has it right? National championship. You like Notre Dame to at least cover eight and a half.
I don't know. I, I, I keep picking them to win, but I'm, I'm really nervous. I mean, are they going to win and then Freeman goes to the bears? No, no, no, I, not the bears, but I just think, uh, they're gonna have to play zone.
They, they play a lot of man and I don't think you could play man. I don't like that Jeremiah Smith only had one catch for three yards in his last game. The two games before that he had like 267 and four tuddies. He's going to have a night. Like I'm going to bet Notre Dame. I have Notre Dame 20 to one to win the national championship. I'm not going to hedge cause I want them to win and I'm not going to cheer for Ohio state, but I might have to play a little, um, Jeremiah Smith plus three 50 to win MVP. Will Howard's the favorite. I'll give Will Howard throws for 240 yards and a hundred of them go to Jeremiah Smith and he has two touchdowns.
What's the better story. Will Howard transferred from Kansas state or the 18 year old freak that if he went to the NFL would be the best NFL receiver and they got to change that rule too. Like I was talking about this when J'Devion Clowney was at South Carolina or when Trevor Lawrence was at Clemson. But like there's no reason that kids should have to go back and play college football. He's a freaky. It's, it's like, it's like the kids that are like six foot in third grade and there's posting kids up.
It's not fair. My case for Notre Dame would be after three good games from Ohio state, they're the most unbeatable team. They're Joe Burrows, LSU. They lost to Michigan's worst team in 10, 15 years. Michigan started a kid named Davis Warren. Michigan beat them because they punked them in the trenches. They were more physical. They were a team of savages that day. Marcus Freeman is a fucking savage dude. And in my opinion, the best coach in the country, he coached circles around Kirby smart, who's the only coach around with rings right now.
Would it shock you if he coached circles? No, I like Notre Dame. I'm going to take Notre Dame. Notre Dame money line.
I'm with you. Notre Dame's winning. Yeah. Notre Dame by 10.
Notre Dame minus 10 plus 500. Well, enjoy the games. Enjoy that game. Yeah. Do you got to work during that game? Yeah.
It sucks. How are you going to like just watch the game and talk about it? It's all I'm going to do. I mean, I'm not going to, I'm not going to provide much content. I don't know what they think. I could have went, like I said, but they, you know, I asked for a day off.
It's like asking for a kidney around here. Anyway. It's good to see you. Hey, you too, man. Go pack up. Ryan Horvat.
Go Jordan Love. Into the Winklerverse. Many of you may have met or seen Bob Euchre for the first time, the major league movies. Of a certain age, you knew him longer than that. He was a WWE correspondent for some Wrestle manias in the WWE hall of fame. He was an actor on Mr. Belvedere. He was a frequent guest on the tonight show with Johnny Carson when there were pretty much only three channels and all of America watched the tonight show each and every night before they went to bed. He was a staple across all of media, across all of sports. He was Bob Euchre. And while he was shared with the nation and with the world, he was so uniquely ours.
And by that, I mean, Wisconsin's as that's of course where I do the show from. So my day has been filled with sharing anecdotes and seeing other peoples and tributes. I drove by the ballpark on the way here. He's got a statue outside. People were putting mementos and souvenirs and Miller lights down as he was a big spokesman for them. Apparently, so many people had brought in Miller lights that there were several people just kind of standing around and a mini tailgate broke out. And I am not joking about that. That is a thing that I've been told happened tonight at the ballpark.
It's all lit up for him tonight. It's very sad he passed away at the age of 90. The thing with Bob Euchre and the thing with this death, and I won't spend too much time on it, but it is something that I sort of look bigger picture here is, and it's the same thing when you lose some of these iconic broadcasters, Vin Scully coming to mind, you know, Harry Carey, some of these guys who not only are with the team for so long, but also sort of become the team, become the representation of the team and not just the team or the organization, but the fans as well. And with the way that media has changed over the course of, you know, the last few decades, there's not a lot of constants between 2024 to let's say 2004 to let's say 1984. There's not a lot of things that have stayed the same, even if it's the host of a show, you know, the tonight shows changed hands multiple times. The nightly news shows change hands. The morning shows change hands, but there's so many or there's so few examples where that isn't the case and baseball announcers have been one of those things that have been able to kind of stay a constant in your life.
There's few things that have not changed in my life for 40 years. One of those was that Bob Euchre was the voice of the Milwaukee Brewers. So as I was reading different anecdotes and different tributes today and some from people that knew him, you know, quite well working with him side by side, many in the media who got to brush shoulders with him, even briefly. So many tributes, I recognize that a lot of them told the same story. You know, a lot of different people were saying the same exact thing, but in a way thinking that it was unique to them and then realizing, no, this, he is the same for all of us.
I grew up with him so many nights in the backyard, having him on the radio, driving home, listening to the game. We've all, Brewers fans, we all have the same stories and that is, that is a rare communal thing that I don't think we get that much anymore. The NFL games may be like the last big thing that we all sit down and watch. Even some of these award shows are splintered and you know, the way that TVs put out these days, I'm going to get home tonight and watch an episode of Severance at three in the morning because that's when it drops on Apple TV plus and I'll be up and I love the show and I've waited long enough.
I don't want to wait anymore. But this is no, I mean, this is no way for a shared experience, but Bob Euchre was a shared experience and he was a constant experience for much of our lives. What we'll obviously miss is the person. We'll miss the voice on the radio. We'll miss him calling the action, giving the anecdotes. We'll miss him in the appearances he made elsewhere. The other things he did for the other franchises in Milwaukee from time to time. We'll miss him for the commercials, for the movie. I know a lot of people rewatching major league tonight in tribute, cracking open a cold one. He's one of these guys that the whole don't meet your heroes thing.
He's one of these guys that I've not met one person who has had a run in or met or any experience with Bob Euchre and then have not thought more highly of the guy, which is incredibly rare. I mean, he truly was one of a kind and not to mention he was an amazing broadcaster. Plenty stick out when you think of great calls. One I always go back to is in 2008 where the Brewers were playing the Marlins. They had not made the playoffs. Again, I just said I was 40, which means I was born in 1984, which means the Brewers last time they made the playoffs prior to my birth was 1982. The next time they made the playoffs was 2008. I went 24 years without seeing the Brewers in the postseason. And Bob Euchre went 24 years without seeing the Brewers in the postseason. He was excited when Ryan Braun hit that home run.
You bet he was. What a piece. Three and one to Ryan Braun. Braun pumping that bat. Now waits. Here it is. Swing and a drive.
The center and deep. Way back. Get up. Get up.
Get out of here. It's gone for Ryan Braun. He just hit a three run shot out of here. And the Brewers have the lead.
The other thing with Euchre that I have always admired and it's made me feel proud. Again, I opened the show. It's in the open, you know, live in Milwaukee.
I'm never shy to say that's where I am. We talk Packer ownership. I talk about the Bucks. They talk about the Brewers, you know, on the rare occasion that they're relevant.
But that's that's the point. Bob Euchre was a longtime broadcaster for the Milwaukee Brewers. He took other opportunities with movies and TV and wrestling and commercials, but he never took an opportunity, which they were there being knocked out, knocked out at his door. Hey, come be the broadcaster for this team. Come be the broadcaster here. He called some World Series with NBC and Bob Costas, but he was now you could have been full time in any other market. But Bob Euchre chose to stay in Milwaukee. Bob Euchre was somebody who we see all these different broadcasters come through and it's a stepping stone.
We're just a ring on the ladder for many. And here we are in Milwaukee having who we think and you can argue yours. But we think is the greatest baseball broadcaster to ever get behind a microphone. And he was ours. And he was one of us.
And he doubled and tripled and quadrupled down on that every single time that he got in that broadcast booth. And so I think the thing that is going to be missed the most outside of the individual is that communal aspect. The memories.
I mean, you could put in an old VHS tape from a birthday party in 1987. Bob Euchre is on the radio in the background. It is just incredible.
Again, the one constant in my life. I went back and listened to some of the final call this year from when they lost to the Mets. And it was tough to listen to then. It's more haunting now where you can hear it in his voice that he's not sure how many more of these he has left. Last few years, he's had a more truncated schedule.
And gone on the road as much. Is leaving the booth in very good hands. With Jeff Levering, Lane Grindle, Josh Mauer, the crew that's been there. But here in this final call. You could hear maybe a concern that it was the final call. Well, New York down.
They did it. And the crew will have it end here tonight. Really a crushing end to what was a fabulous season for the Milwaukee Brewers.
I'm telling you, that one had some sting on it. It's just haunting to hear now after learning of his passing, knowing we won't get that spring training. Oh, spring training. Cold day out. Turn on the radio in late February, there's Uke.
Driving home, long drive across the state. What station gets the Brewers here? I gotta hear Uke. Big playoff moment.
Sure, the national TV crews come to town. Plenty of Brewers fans would go out and just set up a chair in their garage and listen to Uke. So tough day in Wisconsin, a tough day in baseball, a tough day in broadcasting. Bob Euchre passing away at the age of 90. Truly a Milwaukee legend, a Wisconsin legend, if not the Wisconsin legend.
