MmHmm/Mm-mm: Boston Bruins update, Josh Jacobs impact on Packers, evaluating Brian Gutekunst

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Happyplacehemp.com. I said we will bring in Grant Bills. Hello. Hello, Bart. Hello.

We will bring in Paul. Is it Imig? It's close.

Something along those lines. Horvath. Horvath. Horvath. Horvath. Horvath. You know what?

I was just doing some prep for tonight's show and I may bring this up. There was a hockey coach that got fired and hired five days later by a new team. Really? Yeah, Jim Montgomery got fired. Bruins guy got hired? Yeah, he got hired.

St. Louis fired their coach because he was available, so they hired him. Oh, wow. Yeah.

I don't think Montgomery wasn't the problem there. They're slow. They're slow and old. I'm not kidding.

I slightly know some hockey stuff. They're slow and old and they paid Jeremy Swayman. They shouldn't have done that. They're other guys. Oh, no.

You can't pay the sway. They've played better in front of, oh shit, what's his name? And I know it too.

This is my whole life. They got him in the Olmark trade. Shit, whatever. It wasn't his fault.

He's a good coach. Wow. I mean, I can't fact check.

I cannot fact check any of that. So I'm just going to say, well done. Oh, Jonas. Jonas Corpisalo.

They played way better in front of the other guy. The Corp, they call him. And the new guy has benched Swayman. Now, Swayman held out during training camp for a big deal. Did he get the deal? Was it a good holdout? They paid him. Nice. Actually an unprecedented deal for a goalie with his limited experience. And how many games is that of experience? I don't know.

Where is this coming from? I listen to Boston sports radio every day. You guys know him.

Swayman is, he talked about his struggle with mental health and how like fans don't want you to get the big contract. They lit him up. You know that Netflix show where all the hockey players went on? They did the hockey version of receiver or whatever. You guys familiar? He played his acoustic guitar on there and everything. Dude's a knob.

Anyways, Montgomery did not. I like that you just listened to some other cities and you know all this, but you don't care about it, but you know. But you've also absorbed it.

You've retained it and you can regurgitate it too. So you're not, it's not even like a passive listening. McAvoy is afraid to shoot. He doesn't, she's got all the skills in the world that you won't shoot. Posternock. He turns the puck. He's way too lazy with the puck and no one gets on him. The organization soft on him and their big defenseman just got lit up the other night again.

And he does not know how to play in the corner, but I can't remember his name. I'm looking at that. I want to hear more of a posternock. Pasta. It's cause everyone in Boston's all pasta pasta. It's like moustaches.

It's the, it's the same thing. He's got a clever nickname that you can chant. People did not like that take from me that we only are low as the defenseman. He just, he gets blown up into the boards.

Can't protect himself. Yeah. Anyways, I don't know if we had a hockey team. I don't know if I could do it. I couldn't already got to watch the bucks a couple nights a week.

We have a hockey team. Yeah, but sure. I wanted to see, I, this is from my 180s collection and I wanted to see if I could fit in it. Oh, from your, I see what you're saying from your 180s poundage collection. Yeah. Weight, weight class, which I did dip into the 180s.

Really? Now we're back in the 190s. That's more of a healthy, I'm glad you lost a lot of weight, but 180s, that's like 40 pounds of weight loss. I was up to 235. So that's 55 pounds of weight loss. Last Christmas I weighed 234 pounds. Oh my God.

And you're now, but that's great though, 190s. That's wonderful. Yeah, but I'm still pudging. That's all right. Some, some level of pudge is all right. See, I got to lose this. Get in the gym, tighten it up. I actually like this view.

I'm going to go with this. I could prefer a different one, if I may be honest. Wait, and then I can make it look like it's your head, sort of. If you put, put one of us away, you could add, yeah.

Yeah, fun, fun, fun on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream. I'm like the nanny on Muppet Babies. I have no head. You could go ahead and change the view though. I would continue. Okay. Wow.

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I have a question specifically I want to start with for Grant and Bart, you chime in also, but this one's intended for Grant. Christian Watson's hands should not be questioned. He is just a wonderful, no drops wide receiver on the Green Bay Packers. Or.

Well, I mean, technically he does have the fewest drops. You were so proud of your Watson take the other day that you clipped part of this podcast. I wasn't paying for motion. I don't even do that. That wasn't as much of a me thing. That was a look at all. Look at this great discussion we had about the complexities of the Packers wide receiver room.

That's why I clipped it. I don't. I've been saying for months. I've been saying that guy's annoying. How long is he hurt for?

Probably a bit. What did he do? Romeo Dobbs got hurt. He hit his head. He's got a concussion. No.

Were you can cut. It was yesterday. Yeah, I kind of. You were a few. You knocked back a few. Look, guys, the text messages that I caught up on this morning would indicate that you had had a few. Yeah, I think Grant could tell right away. I was violent.

I said something violent at like two in the afternoon. Like, okay, that's what that's a friend knows, though. He banged his head. But here's the thing about the Packers wide receiver. And I've realized this the last couple of weeks being on the radio is half of the Packers fan base is just upset the day after the day or two after when it's like, why don't they target this person? It's like, well, in a perfect world, Jordan loves only throwing like 25 times a game because if he throws any more than that, like you can kind of bank a couple interceptions or turnover worthy plays like they have a lot of good guys. And Josh Jacobs is really good. Like not everyone can get 10 targets a game. It's actually not possible.

And with Dobbs out and maybe freeze up some guys, maybe Wicks has his first breakout performance of 2024 on Thursday night. Who knows? Yeah. I was also doing this. Oh, I was doing a show during the fourth quarter. So I may have missed some, some notes. And you can catch that on the into the Wink Livers podcast feed wherever you get yours.

Yeah. I just started with that just for the fun fact of that you had a you had a deserved of sorts victory lap grant and then Christian did the thing that could have only ruined your victory. They brought up Minnesota too, on the broadcast, which I think all Packers fans thought about Minnesota right away when he dropped that ball. And really that signaled the end of Aaron Rogers time in Green Bay, which by the way, have you talked about that yet? I, or to what extent have you talked about the absolute, like the Woody Johnson wanting to bench him and now like he wants to play it.

He's already saying, oh, I want to play. I mean, I know it's Rossini reporting, but have you, how, how deep are we getting into this Roger stuff? I mean, we touched on it.

It's kind of to the point now where what is there to say the night that the night that we were going to talk jets anyway, because they'd fire Douglas, but then like a half hour before we found out that Woody wanted to bench Rogers after week four. That's awesome. Um, so we talked about that. Yeah.

There, I have a microphone and I don't even know if the sound audio sounds any different. It's on deeper. Yeah.

I don't know. I feel like you've all that has been said about Aaron Rogers. Like this new information is an additive.

It's just like, oh yeah, the jets are a mess and Rogers isn't good. It does. It does. I do think it adds further though to the Gouda Kinsta victory lap.

I really do. I think, I think for another fan base to experience it for the national media in a different way to experience it, where it was not that long ago, as Bart has reminded about Pat McAfee and the, are we sure that Gouda Kinsta is that clip of McAfee like that soils, a lot of McAfee to me. Well, I mean, it was, it was just such a horrendously bad and of course very biased take because of where McAfee was getting his information from one person and it was Aaron Rogers. Yeah.

You know, it, it was a, it deserves to be called out and it deserves to live in infamy among really dumb things that was said. Is everyone else on the shows Gouda Kinsta. They're all saying it behind him. But you have to, you have to also then say like, in addition to the Gouda Kinsta victory lap, he, I, I, I would, I would love the honest answer from him, from Gouda Kinsta about, so how much joy are you getting out of watching this play out with the jets?

Cause if he's being honest, the answer is an immense amount of joy. Oh, it's gotta be. And Mark Murphy too, with all the, I mean, this all goes back to that one tied down report of like the don't be the problem, Mark Murphy. I mean, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's the problem. Mark Murphy quote. And like, I didn't say that out now, you know, like, it's like, well, everyone, like you pretty much all in Packers front office territory saw this coming. And you're all rejoicing about it. You have to be like, you just have to be that you, that you played this one, the way you played this one. Well, and like, here's the other thing.

And I who wrote about this? I saw this somewhere over the weekend on Sunday, I think is like Rogers hasn't had a full healthy season in what since 22, since his, since his second MVP year, his second COVID MVP year and saying, so what is that 2021? Like he was hurting 2022 was last year with the Packers in multiple things going on. And then he had the Achilles and this year he's had like a knee, a hamstring, like we're just going on his third straight year of having some severity or multiple injuries in some of these years.

It, it just gets hard. Like even Brady at the end, Brady was old and he was limited, but he wasn't gimpy. He didn't have injuries. So where the Buccaneers clearly, like when Brady was going to retire and then he did in and then, um, you know, but that year, yeah, we still want this, who is going to look at Rogers and say, we want to sign up for that. So that was going to be one of my questions is I have not seen the odds. I'm sure they exist of who Aaron Rogers plays for next year. Maybe the answer is he doesn't play. I don't think, I don't think that will win. I think he will play. Are there, I'm sure there are odds about this, right?

And if so, what are they, but regardless of those odds, well, everyone keeps saying the Titans for some reason. Well, because he does, he is quote, open. That is a, that's a inside Winkler verse. One, yeah.

Yeah. Here's the thing is you need to think of like, if he plays next year, it's not going to work. He's not good anymore. And if you're like the Titans or any team, you like, you, you know that, so what are you signing him for? Well, nobody wants to watch this. The team that's signing him needs to be stupid.

Like they need to be a Mark. He's already on the jets who would be candidate number one, but they they're out of it because they already did this. So like what other teams in the league are big enough to fall for this? Aaron Rogers is a co-owner of an NBA franchise with another NFL owner and Jimmy Haslam. Oh, we forget Rogers still is a bucks owner. I think we do.

I do forget that. What about the Raiders? The Raiders might be stupid enough to do that, but then if they asked Brady, Hey, what do you think? There's no way Brady would advise them to do that. You don't think so?

No. Why would he, do you, do you know, I wish I could give Brady a truth pill and ask him about Rogers. I think hall of fame QBs have an affinity for other hall of fame QBs just naturally. I don't think Brady's ever liked Rogers. People are always comparing him and he's like, whatever, I'll just win more Super bowls in this asshole. Remember the time I'm, you know, we, we got to experience Aaron Rogers as Packer fans. Maybe the low point was when he came back and had a press conference and read grievances for 20 minutes. That was, that was, we should have just been like, get the out of here.

Then why did we, why did he ever play another snap after he did that? That's the crown jewel of that press conference is Tom Silverstein being like, well, in the case of this player and that player and that player, wouldn't you say the Packers were right on those though? They, they were proven correct.

And Rogers was like, ah, you know, like, I don't remember what his answer was, but was that when, was that when Kumaro was brought up, right? Maybe Kumaro Bulaga was one for sure. Jordy might've been another. Yeah. I mean, they just keep between Lindsley and blog and they just keep shipping these linemen off to the chargers to get huge deals.

And then they're never healthy again. I, but this is maybe that was there. He was, he was, he was not concerned about clay Matthews getting a phone call. He wasn't concerned about what had happened. He didn't want it to happen to him.

So he was preemptively saying all these things. And then it happened to him. I do think that this happening in a major market like New York and having it be experienced in a second way, it's, it has validated, I think Packers fans perspectives on this. Whereas I think Packers fans were sort of mocked for like, really? You don't want a hall of fame quarterback.

You don't want one of the greatest. You really are going to complain about blah, blah, blah. Like, I think this is, has been validating.

Has it not? Like, cause you know, Mike Tomlin has been there forever and everybody can look at the Steelers and say, well, I mean, you're 500 or better every year. You go to the playoffs every other year.

Like why, why wouldn't, why would you ever be mad at this guy? Sure. But then Mike Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game since 2016. The Steelers have not won a playoff game since 2016.

So it's almost a decade now of, of that. And it's just like, when you looked at Pat, when people look at Packers fans and thought, oh, well, they're, they're going to the playoffs. They, they, I mean, I would love that for my team, but you're just looking at it in like, you know, words and you don't feel it. You don't, you don't have to, you don't have to feel Aaron Rogers. We had to feel those losses. We had to feel the annoyance. We had to feel like, did you hear what he said on fucking McAfee? Yep.

Yep. And then last week, of course, oh, the Jets have a body, so he's not available. Rogers isn't available. Rogers is comically too available, except on FaceTime. Except on, no, except, right.

You have to use FaceTime. Isn't that, wasn't that what it was? All right. So my first real question, um, that was more on Rogers than what I expected, but it, it is a fascinating thing to watch play out at the national level. All right. Josh Jacobs Josh Jacobs is the Packers team MVP so far team MVP or, um, yeah, I was right about JJ. Oh yeah. You were, I love Josh Jacobs. This is the victory laps episode.

Hit it. This is, I feel like this is the next installment of I was right about Drew holiday. When you told people that everything you think Chris Paul is this guy will be that and better.

I feel like this is just, it's the same. I didn't say that. Didn't I? You did. I was right about Drew holiday. See, I, cause I watched the games and I piss away raindrops of money into draft Kings to learn about guys like Drew holiday and Josh Jacobs.

So I remember when the bucks got Mirza to let a bitch. And I was on the air with Michael and Charles and wicked and Freeman. And they had said, who's this guy? I go, this guy's popping threes, left and right dog. And I'm like, how do you know? It was like fan duel. Now that's fucking lame.

Laser to have that encyclopedic knowledge or whatever the word is. You have that an excellent producer for that reason. So Josh Jacobs clearly like Aaron Jones is great. Aaron Jones like runs like this squiggly line. Yeah.

And Jacobs is the fucking hammer. And some of those, even early in that game where the Packers kicked the shit out of the Niners, this was very much like that title town showdown, 1997. Do you remember that?

When the Cowboys came? Oh, okay. Yeah.

After we won the super bowl, then the Cowboys came to Lambeau and it was a big fucking deal. Great. Great. So I think that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, um, great.

Great. Uh, grant does not remember that, but it was a big deal. And then we boat raced them like the week of Thanksgiving. They even made, I had special trading cards for it for that game. Yeah. And so the Niners kicked the shit out of us all the time. And then we get to exact revenge and, Oh my God, you want to talk about things I might be wrong about? I think Brock Purdy might get some MVP votes after fucking yesterday.

I mean, he must be that good, dude. Well, that sucks. Anyway, just Jacobs. Yes.

Hmm. Grant bills, by the way, a note on the, so showdown in title town, I knew that from somewhere I'm looking at the, the commemorative Shopko yellow towel. My grandpa gave me one of these. He had like a towel from like all of these big games. I probably have like a dozen of them. November 20, was it 23rd, 1997 presented by Shopko Wrangler. And what's that other logo? Is that Lenovo in any event?

I have that towel. It's funny. You mentioned that Josh Jacobs. He is not only Paul, I'll take it one step further.

He's not only their team MVP. He is their identity that came up in my show. What is, I know what is the Packers identity? And last Thursday, that's a, some sort of athletic, the other logo, the L L I'm going to show Paul here and share the screen for all of you. Also here it is. Oh yep. I remember it. Yeah. Showdown in title town. Only 10 bucks.

Well, grandpa, you don't have to worry about me selling it. Shopko fucking dropped the ball, dude. Did they blow a three, one lead? Is that what you're saying?

He blew a three, one lead. I think all the shop goes are closed. I think so too. Although there's like, there might be like Shopko.

What a shitty name. The one on the South side of lacrosse became a Walgreens. Oh no, an Aldi. They put an Aldi in that bar. Can you believe it down on Mormon Cooley? Uh, there's still Shopko opticals. They're MVP. They put a, they put an Aldi on Mormon Cooley on the South side. You don't have to go all the way down Alaska now.

Wow. I know identity and MVP. I think it starts with Josh Jacobs. You build the boat.

You build the plane around Josh Jacobs and the very creative. I believe Dan Orlowski used the word diabolical last week. The diabolical running scheme of Matt Leflore. Yes. Wow. I know. The last time I was this excited for a JJ was Cocomelon. When's the last time you've had to watch, well, had to watch, had the privilege of watching Cocomelon.

I don't think we've watched Cocomelon in two years. Yeah. Been a while.

Little baby bum was the one I enjoyed more. I don't think I know what that is. British. Same kind of.

So yeah, I'll say Cocomelon teachers, a babe, miss Appleberry. All right. Sure. Uh, definitive. Yes.

To team MVP and identity is, wow. I had not considered the possibility grant, but it seems right. So the, the tangent to that. Oh, look at that. Yeah.

She's kind of bad. Oh, did you put it on the screen? I opened it up too. Yeah. I was looking on another tab. Yeah. What were you saying? Paul?

Miss Appleberry too, which means you have a chance. Great. All right. Um, no, I was going to just talk about like Saquon Barkley, new team, Derek Henry, new team, Josh Jacobs, new team. Have there been three better running backs in the NFL this year? And each of them is on a new team. Like, I kind of wonder if we're in this new cycle of, I don't think running doesn't make sense is yeah. All these guys were available.

Yeah. So the Titans were like, we can't do this anymore. The giants were like, we have to move on. The Raiders were moving on and they have been the identity for each and every team. I mean, Saquon's in the MVP conversation after two 55 last night, the Eagles are Saquon merchants.

They're very good, but they are Saquon merchants. He has been there. Everything this year.

I keep, I keep waiting for the Eagles to fall apart like they did last year, but Saquon will not allow it to happen. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. The last year they would be like, oh, here's Kenneth Gainwell for a series. Here's Boston, Scott, here's fucking what Swift they had.

It's like, yeah. They never got more than 12 carries a game out of Swift. So now they're getting Saquon. So Josh Jacobs, Saquon Barkley, and Derek Henry being this good on their new teams is going to change the way NFL teams view running backs or, I don't know, but I'm going to bring that up tonight. There you go.

In the future, Paul, can I ask you a question back in return or pose a follow-up do it in the future? Will bad teams be more hesitant to get rid of that? Because the Raiders were bad. I don't know that they'd be that much better with Josh Jacobs this year. Same with Saquon in New York in the future. Will those teams be like, no, we are going to pay the running back. We're going to keep the, is this a cautionary tale? Cause I, I don't know that all of those teams were in the wrong for letting these guys go technically.

Yeah. I mean, they would not, those three, these three running backs would not be having the seasons that they are having with their shitty former teams. Like you, you're not a running back away from going from three and eight to eight and three, but you are a Saquon or a Josh Jacobs or a Derek Henry away from taking like that next step. But what I would wonder is like, why then not at this year's trade deadline or at next year's trade deadline, do you not see a team give up a really, really high quality draft pick to say, Hey, bad team with great running back.

That's my last piece. That's the, and I here's a first, here's a second home pick. Does the quarterback matter?

Cause when Henry signed with the Ravens, I didn't think, Oh, that's, I thought it was great because of Lamar. Like you have these two guys that can run hurts, can run, doesn't run as much. Yeah.

But there's the, I, at least the threat of it. And then when Malik was in there, there's even more cause he, they were designed running for him. So does it have to be one of these running backs with a quarterback that also gives the threat of that?

I don't know. Who were their quarterbacks last year? Garoppolo Jones, Daniel Jones. I mean, all those guys are, but God, they should, they need to do something with the giants. The government needs to get involved. That's a fucking embarrassment of a team top to bottom.

Yeah. And I don't, I don't know that say Quander McKinney would have helped them. I think they blow with both of those guys. They're like, that's, what's so disappointing is giants. Fans are like, this is embarrassing, but also like, he'd suck here if we had him and we'd still suck like that guy that sucks. So I get mad at the giants fans a lot because I work with a bunch of them and the way they were acting when Saquon dropped that pass against Atlanta in week two on Monday night football. And they were so excited, like, ha ha told you enjoy it.

He goes, fuck you. And now he's potentially the most valuable player in football. Like you guys look premature. They're a little bit GMEN fans. Yeah.

I don't know. Like, but like, there's not, I'm looking at the bottom of the standings in both conferences and there's not like that Saquon on the giants, Josh Jacobs on the Raiders, Derek Henry on the tight. Like, there's not that giants are two and nine Tyrone Tracy Panthers, a three and eight Chuba Hubbard. Like, I don't know, the jaguars with ETN, like Stevenson with the Patriots. Like, is there, my point is like, if the deadline was this week, I don't know. I just, I, I think it's at least, like you said, Bart and the national stage to at least explore the idea of is this going to change the perception of the value of, well, even like Ashton Gente out of Boise state.

Yeah. Like you see these mocks and he's in like 20th or yeah, another one. Everyone laughs when the lines took Jameer Gibbs and I watched lines highlights of him and I'm like, dear God, what do you do with that? And they got Montgomery and that's just it. And then they not only just, they just gave Montgomery another three year addition to it. So it's like, you don't, oh, well they have Gibbs or they have Montgomery.

Why would you go after Gibbs? Or like, oh, they had Swift at the time. Right? It's like they had Swift. It's like, well, you don't have to go after time. Right?

It's like they had Swift. It's like, we don't also need Gibbs. How do you use both guys? But you kind of, I don't know.

We might, you might need it. Gooty is like, man, this guy's fucking amazing. Gooty had Aaron Jones and he's like, I'm going to get Josh Jacobs.

That's Aaron Jones, who is the heartbeat of my literal team. Yeah. I'm going to get somebody better. Yeah.

Who is now the heartbeat of their team. Yeah. And I'm going to give $55 million to a guy who is the least accurate quarterback in all of football. That's a separate thing.

All right. Well here, how about, how about this? Um, and when he does, when he does be accurate, he's got fucking stone hands up there. Grant Grant's guy. It is kind of fucked.

I always see Andrew, Andrew Brandt tweets. It's like every other week where it's like this wide receiver makes 60 million, the Packers total wide receiving group, 8 million. And everyone's like, we're not even too much. It is weird how like, it's a w that fans can not just like, and we're not paying them shit. Like look how good they are.

And we're not paying them. Like that's, that's a funny thing about sports that makes me laugh. Yeah. All right. So, so far this season, since getting his contract extension, I wasn't playing on going here, but it's a nice pivot since getting the contract extension, Jordan love has been fine. Mm-hmm.

Or fine is the correct word to use. If he was playing for a contract extension, there would be a lot more discussion. A lot more. Yes. Yeah. And then you'd have to look at like Daniel Jones was with the giants forever, but he got a contract extension. They at one point thought we need to retain this guy.

Yeah. It was cause Ed Donatell and the Vikings made him look like Steve young for literally one Sunday afternoon in January. And they're like, all right, we don't have a choice. Like if that matchup just would have gone different, you know what I mean? And then they got, they got rolled the next week. Remember Philly, they got, they got pounded.

I was on the air for that game. Hmm. I'll Paul, you said if he was in a contract year, he would be getting talked about differently.

Who said that? Was that you were part? I think we agreed on it. So I'll do you one.

I'll do you one better. Imagine if they don't come back and win that game against Jacksonville and they don't win the game against Houston. So those are two and just for fun, let's say they don't block that game in Chicago.

Sure. All three of those games easily could have gone the other way. So they'd have three fewer wins. What they'd be five and six then.

Am I doing that math correctly? Yep. Jordan love by and large, same play. Like pretty much would be having the same season. What would we be saying about him?

Oh, here are five and six. We'd be wanting Malik Willis to start. No, which is kind of why football is stupid, which I think Shanahan kind of talked about last week when he kept getting asked about Brock Purdy. And he kept saying, it's like, look, if we like, if we just don't piss away games with our special teams, like this is a, it's a, it's a different thing. And, and the parts comment from like 15 minutes ago, the Niners were not a Brock Purdy great game yesterday away from having a close contest at Lambeau. Like they, the defense in San Francisco is demolished with injuries and just not as good at Christian McCaffrey is not Christian McCaffrey.

They, I mean, I, at what point they're in their season and they just say, you know what? Jordan Mason is better right now. Let's just play him. Yeah. What's wrong with McCaffrey. But by the way, maybe that's another thing. Maybe like, see, this is the Niners.

Okay. We probably don't want to give too much credit to the Niners, but maybe they started the idea of you might just be an elite running back away from a Superbowl. Now, obviously the Niners lost in last year's Superbowl, but Bart, you were really like, why are the Niners getting McCaffrey? Like when that happened, I, I, that was one of your strong takes that we were debating at the time. Um, like they don't need him. They don't need him.

And obviously now he looks like a guy who's coming back from everything that McCaffrey is coming back from. But I was wrong about that though. You were wrong about that. I think a lot of smart people were, a lot of people were like, why do they, but, but that's proven. I would agree.

You can put that at the time. They had that collection, that compilation of, you know, it was just, yeah. Wilson and all the guys that are Jeff Wilson.

Yeah. Third rounder on Trey sermon. Remember on Ohio state. Like everyone was like, oh, that's going to be John Lynch.

Fucking sucks, dude. John Lynch traded multiple picks for Trey. Lance. The only reason they have Brock Purdy is because Shanahan wanted them. And then Shanahan had to go to him and be like, dude, I need to start this fucking guy. I think John Lynch got in the hall of fame way too soon because everybody likes him at Fox where he used to broadcast. He sucks as a general manager. He sucks. He's not good.

No, I want to play good. Remember when the Cowboys trade a fourth round pick for Jonathan Mingo I do. I text Toby after the Mclaurin touchdown. I text Mclaurin. And then I was like, did I send that too soon?

And then they missed the extra point. I go, ah, yeah. Hey, we played a game two months ago that I want to revisit. And I, I originated this game myself. And it's called, yeah, I know. Sorry. Thank you. It's called call or fold. And I want to do this.

I want to revisit it. If you say, Hey, I'm going to fold on Lucas van Ness. You get the 13th pick because Van Ness was the 13th pick in the 2023 draft. You can trade Van Ness for the 13th pick in the 2025 draft. You can trade Musgrave for the 42nd pick in the 2025 draft. You're trading your guy for that same pick in next year's draft. And I want you to say, trade a big sack.

So let's, let's, let's play. We won't do the 2024 draft class cause it's too soon, but we'll start with 2023 Lucas van Ness. Keep Van Ness or you want the 13th pick in next year's draft. I'll take the pick.

I'll take, I will take the selection. Yes. I mean, if he doesn't force that fumble yesterday, I'm coming on the radio tonight and saying that he's trending towards a generational bust.

Yeah. Well, he only played yesterday. Remember the Packers are not going to trade out of the first round. Cause there's no way at the NFL draft in green Bay. Would they trade out of the first round?

Remember that goodies sitting in his room like, fuck. I would have improved, but we got the fucking traps here next year. You want Luke Musgrave or the 42nd pick in the 2025 draft? I'd probably take the 47th pick and just take a corner, whatever corners there.

I didn't even give a shit which one I just take 40 seconds. Give me that pick. Me too.

Me too. Uh, Jayden Reed or the 50th pick read, read Tucker crafted the 78th, obviously 78. Um, we can go down to Quay Walker in the 20, 22 draft or the 22nd pick in the 2025 draft.

Get the fuck him out of here. Obviously. Right grant.

I mean, yeah, yeah. I want the 22nd pick or do you want Clay Quay Walker? I'll take the pick. Especially because are we done drafting the backups on Georgia's championship teams? So speaking of what, so do you want, do you want Devante Wyatt or the 28th pick in the 2025 draft? I mean, well, we're to the point now with, with Quay and Wyatt where like, I like Wyatt enough, but they're going to have to pick up his 50 year option, which is going to be an overpay unless he explodes down the stretch. Is it crazy to think they might not pick it up and let them play it out?

And then they'd probably be smart to done it before. Cause like they like Carl Brooks. They have other guys they like who aren't that much better or worse.

And the defensive line in general, like, I don't know, it's been more missed than hit this year. Do you want Christian Watson or the 34th pick in the 2025 NFL draft? I think I'd take the pick. I think I would too, but I really like Christian Watson. I want to say the answer is Watson, but I kind of taken the pick. I really like him like yesterday when he drops that pass adult men everywhere in the state of Wisconsin with families and health insurance took to Twitter to just blow off every frustration in their life on this one guy.

It's like, okay, like everyone, like it was a bad drop. Okay. But Jesus, like some of the tweets I saw. So to be clear in the 2023 draft, you traded both guys for future picks in the 2022 draft. You traded first three picks, the first three selections, Walker, white and Watson for future picks.

So that's not great. And I have a feeling the trends about to continue 2021. Do you want Eric Stokes or do you want the 29th pick? I believe they're still playing Eric Stokes. I cannot believe they're still running him out there.

When we came into this year with him, I'm like, there's not a chance he's actually going to he's Swiss cheese is like 10 minutes ago, goodies in his bag recently. See, but like by the way, when we did this exercise two months ago, you guys were keep, keep the player, keep the player and the Packers are having a great season. And yet all of these early picks are like, no, I'll take the pick for next year. Oh, I'll take the pick for next year. It's interesting. It's interesting.

Josh, Xavier McKinney. Yeah. So good.

He's crushing free agency. How about that? Yeah. Yeah.

Which is wild. I, I kept hearing the host who hosts Packers OT on the Packers radio network. And also this is the, this is the Packers 2021 class. Tell me if there's any name in here you would keep instead of their pick.

I'll just like Stokes, Josh Meyers, Amari Rogers, Royce Newman, Slayton, uh, Jean Charles, Van Lannon, McDuffie and Kylan Hill. The Packers went over over nine McDuffie. Yeah. Is that a different McDuffie?

Like, no, I think it's the same. Amari Rogers never got a fair shake. That is one of your go-to. He was great at Clemson, dude. Sure. He should stop. He should sign with the Jacksonville Jaguars Jaguars. The Packers are more of a free agency team. Everyone's like, well, the Packers, they're doing free agency.

Well, that's what I heard on the Packers post game yesterday is drew kept going like, well, in the Packers, you know, they never do free agency. It's like, well, I mean, Zadarius Smith, Preston Smith, Adrian Amos, David McKinney, Josh Jacobs, like this year. You can't say that. I mean, because honestly, arguably I think they're two best players overall are McKinney and Josh Jacobs, right? Like the two team MVPs are in fact free agent acquisitions.

Yeah. And Brandon McManus probably. I mean, they won two games because of him.

Harrison Barnes just won Western conference player of the month. Well, Oh, week. Oh, okay. That makes much more sense. That's still kind of odd for the East. Yeah. And their lines next to each other are kind of funny when you compare them, whatever. By the way, McDuffie did play 41 snaps yesterday.

So maybe that's a good sixth round pick, but otherwise one for nine. Do you like how Giannis just completely took over any chance of this being a co-partnership with him and Dame? And he's just like, fuck this. I'm in charge.

That's awesome. We talked about it when we did this like 12 days ago, which was, was that one game. Was that like an important moment for Giannis to be like, you know what?

No, no, no. I'm the best player and stop deferring. Like it was, I was pretty down on Dame over last weekend.

I sent some texts to you guys with some comparisons. Well, cam Thomas comparison, if I may, this is the problem with some of these really bald and hardens the same way. It's like, you can't catch and shoot. You need to be dribbling the ball.

So you don't work as a floor spacer. Like imagine if clay Thompson had to take six dribbles every time before he shot a three, like that team wouldn't have worked. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. You're not wrong.

All right. That's what I think I had prepared. That's why Rashad Vaughn would do so well on this team. He needed his own team. He's my Amari Rogers. Another one of your elite takes your Rashad Vaughn. I'm pretty good.

I once taught doing UWL student radio. I once talked myself into a potential championship core one day of Giannis, Jabari Thon maker and Rashad Vaughn. That was a thing. I fucking heard me say it, dog. You didn't want to give credit for that one, which would make sense. All right.

One last question I have for you guys is what are you sports thankful for this Thanksgiving? So much, actually, you know what, let's, let's do this real quick unless Bart, you're planning this for a bigger segment, but we did go, well, you guys, I was for this bad ass dirt board, Prince of Wales. Bart, when you sent your top NFL broadcast teams, is that because you're putting together a list for Bartle meter or what?

That was a Bartle meter. Oh, it was last week or when? Uh, Thursday. So last week. Okay.

All right. Uh, America's booth is number one grant. And I left Brady and Burkhardt off the top eight. I was fighting with Bukowski yesterday about Brady and I swore I was talking to Paul and I like it was the same. Did you not? Did you see these texts yesterday? Paul? I'm way behind.

I'm sorry. But Bukowski was bitching about like, he never, I never learn anything. He never adds anything to the broadcast.

He just pointed out that the safety came down into the box. That's not even, it's not even adding anything. I'm like, Pete, no one needs that. We don't, we don't want that. We don't need it.

Just be folksy. Give us some anecdotes and like draw a circle in one formation once a quarter. That's all we need. You need to remember the average, the average person, America or on the planet, the average person, average middle of everybody is stupid. Really stupid. And then that means half of this world is even dumber than that guy. So you got to broadcast to the dumb.

No, but you don't need to. Most people are dumb. No, let's, let's do a two on two. Let's bring on Pete for some point and let's do a two on two on this because now, Grant, I am going back and reading this and first off, I don't know how you think you spell my last name or if that was just your autocorrect.

What do you mean? How do I spell it? I know how to spell your name.

I know you do. What did, what did he even say? But no, he's right. You should always be teaching your audience.

No, no, no, no. No one wants to learn first and foremost. Let's make that clear. No, no one sits down.

I don't think, I don't think you actually believe that you should do no harm. Don't do anything to make the broadcast worse. Oh, I spelled it aiming. Yeah, that was just a fat finger. Some of the best I actually like Brady can sit there and try to be like, well, here's the, you know, whatever some of the best color commentary is when Chris Collins worth goes, Oh God, because that says everything you need to say, but that's, but that is fucking good. But that's in between Collins worth also saying things that are insightful.

Yeah. Collins worth is so good. Collins worth like sees a play and then right away gives you a full book report on that play. It's incredible. He is amazing. He is good. He's been to Rico and his busted leg to Rico, by the way, I, he, when he was on Monday night football, he was fine.

The way that he just stepped in for Al Michaels and was instantly just like, it's like he had been doing that, that slot in that channel for a decade. So wait, let me ask you, you put Brady next to Toriko instead of Burkhardt night and day. I think it's absolutely, absolutely undeniable that the Sunday night football telecast, like the entirety, it's so much bigger than every other one. Why is that? Because it's not just graphics and it's at night.

It's got the it's at night, but why does it feel so much better than Monday night football? I'm saying like the overall presentation of the graphics are bad. So it's a graphics thing.

I can't, I can't put my finger on and maybe you're getting to the heart of it. No, it's like the it's prestige. They give off prestige. That's a good word. ESPN just feels like fucking back alley. It feels like watching a March Madness game on TBS is what it feels like. That's what it feels like. It's the same thing.

Who's does which game? Monday night football. Yeah. It kind of feels like, yeah, but like, yeah. Well, whatever it is, ESPN spends way too much time on like, or money on the broadcast rights and not enough on like making the game feel important.

Sunday night football is must see football because it just feels like they're just it's like it tells you through its presentation. They must have sharper cameras or some shit. It's it just looks different. It looks better.

It feels bigger every single time. Buck and Aikman. I love them death, but they're not helping. They're doing this thing where it's like we're on Monday night now. This is this is kind of cool. I and it's not a bad thing that they're doing. I like that they have fun with it.

But my wife's around here somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have they just been together too long? Or is that what makes them good? Well, what makes them good is Troy Aikman doesn't answer to anybody.

He does not give a fuck about anything. Troy, my favorite thing he does. He will tell the rules analyst that he's wrong.

The rules analyst will read from the rule book. And Troy will wait for the nerd to be done and be like, Well, okay, well, I disagree. You can turn your mic off now. Again, we'll go back.

I disagree there, Joe. That one. That one thing yesterday that they talked about during the Eagles Rams game where Sirianni changed his mind from decline to accept. Do you track that last night?

I put my son to bed and fell asleep with him. Okay. Yeah. Pizza's done.

Cinnamon rolls are done. The Vikings aren't actually going to get Daniel Jones, are they? Why would they do that? But like, I keep seeing it everywhere. And O'Connell is talking about it in his presser today. Yeah, I saw that.

Yeah, I don't know. Darnell got hurt. But then Mullins came in there and threw a dart. Well, if they're worried about Darnell's health, that's one thing. But yeah, what if they what if they go to the playoffs and they make the division around and they lose in a really close game to Philly?

Do they have to bring Darnell back? I don't know. I don't know, Jim. It's a sticky wicket. That's all I'm saying. Is that where Rogers goes? Vikings are too smart to do that.

That was the thing I was wondering, too. Guys, it's always a pleasure. Enjoy your Thanksgiving. We should do this. We should have a three day work week every time we do this.

The vibe changes. Unbelievable doing it. I got a two day work week. Wow. I do. And I guess, yeah, I think I think Grant and I are pretty consistent. I think we have like energetic Bart back with us here. Bart is the tide that raises or lowers all ships. I will be honest about that. Yeah, we can only be so good, Grant.

You and I. Yeah, I've been going through some stuff. Bart's beat your back, baby. There's a lot more life behind those eyes today. And a lot less sometimes there's just a blank screen back there. You can tell behind his face.

But now there's a lot less weight behind that tummy, too. Oh, no. What I just asked for.

Rashad Vaughn. I'm sports thankful for you both. I wish I could say the same. We'll talk soon. Bye, guys.

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