Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome into the Winklerverse.
I am Bart Winkler alongside Grant Bills and Paul Imig. We come to you today with some sad news off the top. Some breaking news. Some news that nobody saw coming. This is very unfortunate. Chris Middleton being the 63rd ranked player by ESPN.
Even worse. Clippers star Kawhi Leonard is expected to be sidelined for an indefinite period of time. So I did not send this to you guys because I was, not like whether it's a topic, but I was going to say like, so I'm going to tell you the least surprising thing I've seen today. He is re-bilitating the inflammation in his right knee, league sources tell ESPN. I'm just trying to imagine like, you know, as a regular season NBA lover, I'm trying to imagine an NBA season that is not full of Kawhi Leonard. I'm just trying to, that's going to be new for us. What will we do in October and November without him?
I know he's such a driver of conversation and storylines. Art Embiid and Paul George already on injury reports for next week. Paul George is hurt and Embiid's never playing a back-to-back again, he said. But Paul George's injury is not as, he's probably going to be ready for opening night still, it sounds like. No, he's probably ready for opening night.
Then I'm sure it's not a big deal. I just, I haven't listened to the Simmons over under pod yet. I'm saving it for Saturday. You know what PG-13 means? Probably getting 13 games of this guy. You make that up?
Just now. That's pretty good. You could use that. Yeah, that's not the top of the dome.
That was really good, actually. Probably getting 13 games. I would probably tell you if it wasn't, but yeah. Unlike Chris Middleton, we talked last week about it, you're like, just sit him till March, you know, whatever. I know you're partially being facetious, but the Bucks would be in the playoffs in March. They would be getting ready, like they'd be in the top number of seeds, right? Like even if they're sixth, the Bucks would be in the playoff race this year without Middleton. They wouldn't be as good, but they'd be in the Clippers without Kawhi. And now, especially because they don't have Paul George, if Kawhi plays 40 games, like where does that leave the Clippers? Like the Clippers can't survive without him. Like the Bucks obviously can without Middleton.
I know it's a different dynamic, but like, they need him to play. Here's the thing. You know, at least these home markets and these teams, at least these shortcomings in the regular season are reflected in ticket prices because it's affordable for groups of family. This is actually becoming a sticking point with me. And maybe it's just another step in my long journey to eventually become a conservative old man. I need more money for that to happen, but I am following the steps.
World War Two history is I'm getting there. I just, it really pisses me off that I have to spend like 90 Bucks per ticket to go see a Bucks game on a Saturday night in January. And that's the thing with the Brewers. Like, okay, so maybe we're not all super fired up about the Brewers, but I can go to American Family Field and get a $35 ticket and it's fun and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg and maybe the game won't be great, but all the good players are going to play.
Like, I don't know. That really actually looks very expensive. Everything at Fiserv is expensive. It's why though, it's why Bart, your take last week about, yeah, I want the Brewers to be bad for a few years for completely selfish reasons of just getting affordable tickets. Yeah, we did this obviously, didn't we? That's right.
But it's obviously like what, like two and a half, three X worse for Bucks pricing. If you want to get to see the Bucks, I think I'm going to do this. They got free tickets for their scrimmage Sunday morning. I'm going to be in Madison.
I think she had like 10 AM. You going with the kiddo? I think I might take the boy. So I'll get him acclimated to Fiserv before we go back there for Friday night Smackdown.
Oh yeah. Free tickets. They're giving away free tickets. Free tickets.
It's the shoot around or it's the, what do they call that? It's just an exhibition or scrimmage. Yeah, they do that every year. They've done that forever.
Okay. But the difference between a scrimmage on a Sunday morning and a regular season game against the Pistons is like that big. And I paid like 80 Bucks for a ticket on a Saturday night to see them play the Pistons. I, I almost don't believe that they're giving out free tickets.
I need proof of that because I have a really hard time believing that go to a Bucks game. It's not reserved seats though, Bart, right? Like you just, you just get to come in the building and sit where you sit even better.
And then you'd have to stay the whole time. I, the Bucks game is the one place where I ever am, where I see like people that are dressed in a way that I don't see really in Milwaukee. This is my observation too. I don't know why, have we talked about this?
In what way? Like in like, I'm like, I'm going out. I am putting my best clothes ever on. Oh, I am going, you guys don't go to places where okay. Okay.
Continue. Where else? Like, I don't know that there's another place in Milwaukee that requires this sort of attire.
That's awesome. So when, when did going to an NBA game become that type of night out? Like it happened in like the 19, it's costing me $80. I better be seen by some important people because God knows anyone important in the last row of the upper deck for your $80 because that's about where you're sitting.
If you're paying 80 bucks nowadays. Well, I walked by Paschke when I was on my way to see you, Paul, the last Bucks game that I was at. Yeah, that's right. You did see the passion. It's the place to see and be seen. I want people to wear, at least it's not like a Brewer game where people have jeans with holes in it and some shitty camo t-shirt.
Are you kidding me? You would rather people be dressed up to go to a sporting event than just dressed with their, you know, their holy jeans. Not wearing sweatpants is not getting dressed up.
That's not what that is. Bart's making it seem like everyone's wearing, not everyone, but that's the place I that's like the only place I see those kinds of like that kind of attire. So grant what I you're drawing up the map for society. Grant, what should what should the high visit to my exact point, by the way, you look like every Brewers fan.
Bart just sat back down with a sweatshirt on. What were you saying, Paul? I'm just wondering the color. Hi, Liz. Yeah. What is what is your vision for what the man in his twenties or thirties should be wearing to the Bucks game or the Brewers game? I don't know.
Okay. We're Bucks apparel, but if you're not wearing Bucks apparel, like, I don't know. Can I tell you what the shirt is from?
It's from that Fondy radio station, right? Yeah. So we have a Walleye weekend event, Walleye weekend, and they won't. And we, so we had raised TV and appliance be a sponsor of like our event because we gave away a flat screen TV and people had to come pick up shirts and they'd get a number. So basically for weeks, people would come pick up shirts. And then at Walleye weekend, cause they, you can't advertise, we couldn't put a raised TV and appliance sign up at Walleye weekend because they'd kick it out. So we had these shirts and we had like hundreds of people walking around Walleye weekend and these shirts with our logo on it and getting raised some love. And then we gave away a flat screen TV where we did the thing where you would, then we gathered everybody up all the qualifiers and they take a remote and try to turn on the TV. And if it turned that, you know, real 1980s kinda, it's kind of fun.
I remember this, this one time there was one of the stations in the nineties did like, it was in the forest mall in Fond du Lac, God bless it and rest its soul. Cause it was taken down, but you would, you would, you would have your hand on a car or maybe it was at the dealership, but you, people had their hand on a car and the last one to take it off. Yeah.
Won the car. And we just, we got away from doing that kind of shit as a country. Yeah, that, yeah. That's what, that's what you're missing out on. Yeah.
Grant. Well, nowadays there's no value in that part. You're not collecting an email address.
You're not collecting any personal information. You're getting people to stand out in a parking lot, which is fun, I guess. But where it's like IP, did you guys see that there's a, a movie at Sony in the works based on the viewfinder toy? Yeah, I did not see that. Like it's all about IP.
How can we do something, but then also continue to milk that cow for years. I thought the bottom of the barrel that you could get by using IP to make media was when the battleship movie came out, I mean, a movie that was no one watched it, but battleship was in that was like Rihanna in that or something. I don't know. Maybe it was the one guy from Friday night lights, the TV show. Kyle Chandler. No, no, the kid, the quarterback, not been so long since I've seen them forgetting all the names. Battleship. Alexander Skarsgard was in it. Oh, is he? Is he it? Or when Decker he's the brother of bill Scars. Oh, you're thinking of Taylor kitsch. Yeah. Taylor kitsch Brooklyn battleship.
Knock me over with a feather. Rihanna was in it. Good for me. Good for you. Good for me.
That pretty good for 13 games. And you've got Rihanna was in battleship about in 2012. Oh, well, you were like the perfect age to have gone to see battleship in the theater. You're the reason that movie failed, dude. I played game cube when I was a kid. Do you think my friends and I were cracking kool-aids playing board games when we were little, you didn't play battleship. Your childhood was shit. No.
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Ah, Jesus. I didn't tell you my DX crotch job. I know that you, I don't remember if you telling me or I just heard it on your other show, but Carlos, I was crossing the street and the crossing guard was all out of sorts. It just led to a situation where a car was coming and was going to like run me over. And I looked at it and my reaction was I did a crotch chat to it with my wife by my side. And, uh, and, and the thing about that was, I don't know where that came from. That's not a normal Bart reaction, the crotch job. So yesterday, and I was trying to tell Carlos this in the most easy to say on the radio way, but I was with my mother-in-law and my son driving home from swimming. Oh, and Bayshore parking lot is a fucking nightmare.
Yes. That place. Cars shouldn't be allowed. You should have to get out and walk. I'm so sick of these tiny like cities within the suburb because people don't want to live in the city kind of places.
Um, you know, I mean, there's one in Brookfield, the Brookfield, like, come on guys, just live in Milwaukee. But a guy, I had enough room and the guy keeps barreling at me and I look at him like this and he gets all mad and I, and, and his face, I didn't like his face either. And I yell to him, eat my effing P anatomy part.
I don't have, I said, eat my fucking P. Why that was what came out of my mouth. Even women just say, suck my dick. Yeah.
And your son was your priest there as well. Anyone else along with you to hear you say this? And she, and she's just like, and I'm like, I mean, I don't, I don't because like, that's not, it's not normally a phrase I say. Like I, if I said, suck my dick, that would be one thing.
Sure. I feel eat my P. I find it fascinating that I said the word, I find it. I get why you would edit it on the national radio, but you were okay with saying it. You did it with your mother-in-law and your five-year-old, but you're like, you know what's funny on the show. Cause I was just bitching about how somebody got mad at me for saying Jaguars again. And then I told Carlos, I said this story. I go, so yeah, if, if no one still gets it, I wildly mispronounced the word Jaguar.
So I heard a part of this actually, then Bart, I didn't hear the thing about that, but I almost clipped it for you. And I was going to save it for you for now, for when we talked about this, I want, I, what I want to do, I want to show you the word on the screen and ask you to pronounce it. Cause this is like the, there's no other way I can piss you off in life more than like telling you about these things. Cause you get very like the Jaguars thing and the Falcons thing last night you said a mispronunciation.
Okay. So I do an occasional mispronunciation it's mispronunciation. I know. And there's another person that gets on me for that. There's another person that gets on me for that. Who another guy on Twitter for mispronouncing mispronunciation, but it's so minor.
It's funny though. Like it's funny for me because I can, no one gives me credit for fixing Falcons. I give you credit. People bullied me into saying Falcons instead of Falcons. I give you so much credit, even though, isn't it called falconry.
What's falconry the millennium Falcon. See that's, that's why I, that's what confused me as a kid. What's that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck? No, for real.
That's what like threw me off as a youngster, but only like a cool guy. This is how cool people podcast. All right. I have a topic for you. Please look at my shadow.
So actually before I ask this and Bart, I also heard you mentioned that you have a dull, a dual Bartow meter coming up this week. Yeah. A Thursday will be coaches that I most trust to babysit my son. And so Friday I'm going to do least trust to babysit my son.
Is this any coach or NFL NFL? Okay. I think you can figure out who's where Spolstra.
Okay. Where would he be? Number one, let me tell you, can I tell you the list? Wait, can I, wait, can I, can we, I know Grant can't, Grant can only hypothetically speak on who he would let babysit or not babysit his kids. Mike McCarthy would be pretty high on those.
I would allow. Did I put him on Andy Reed? McCarthy is just, you know, yeah, I would trust Andy. No, actually I don't really want to come. Oh, Andy Reed.
I think I put on, I mean, are you sure? Um, McCarthy's not on my list. He should be. He's a jolly, he's a jolly friendly guy.
He might yell at the, if he takes your kid to the basketball game while you're gone, he might disparage the referee. Can I give you my list? Try to think who should be number one. Shanna hands on the end of like the, you would not trust list somewhere near the bottom.
You would definitely not let, um, oh geez. Bronco's coach. His name is Sean Payton. I was like, Sean, yes, Sean Payton. He's probably pretty low on your list on your not left. Jim Harbaugh? No. All right, I'm going to give you my list. Oh, but okay, fine coaches.
I trust to babysit my kid. This is a Barto meter preview for the three people that listen to both shows. So you've already, you already want to run the machine and then the machine. Okay. Yeah. Number eight, Jim Harbaugh with John Harbaugh.
Also it's a funny way to start, so I'm not even going to debate it. They need to be there together. Number seven is Dan Campbell. Yeah. I could put Dan Campbell higher than that. I'm curious who you have higher. Number six is Raheem Morris.
I don't know enough to know. Number five is D'Amico Ryan's. Okay. Number four is Kevin O'Connell seems to seem smart. Yep. Number three is Andy Reed.
He can't be that high. Okay. No, Andy Reed. I mean, Andy Reed would be to me, kids aren't going to like cross in like some of these guys, they know they can like fuck around with just by looking at Andy Reed.
You're like, okay, we, we can't fuck around as much as normal. Really? See, I think you, I think Andy Reed can be, but he's also going to slip you a cookie that you're not supposed to have a couple of cookies. Yeah. He's got the grandpa. Oh, can you're a youngster?
Let me get a look at you. You know, that kind of number two is the most attractive man in the NFL. That's our coach, Matt LaFleur number two.
So, and he's trustworthy because of his handsomeness or is that what you're saying? Uh, yeah, but number one is Sean McVay. Sean McVay is not only going to take a good job taking care of your kids, but he will also by the end, he'll be like, all right, guys, we got it. We got four hours here. We're going to, we're going to have us a little play time. And then we're going to, we're going to, how much homework do you got? We're going to get everything taken care of. And then I know your mom was talking about, I saw her and she had one little tiny glance to the kitchen cabinets.
I know she wants those clean. So we're going to grease those up and we're going to have tip top shape. And if we get this done in two, three hours, maybe then we're going to be able to watch Charlie Brown's Halloween. This is going to be a great time. We're all going to be in this together. I cannot wait to have this experience with you all. That's perfect.
How's the clean when you get back? Yeah. I mean, your kids are going to be like 50 IQ points smarter. And okay, well, yeah.
Can you can they would like your kids then also then become part of like his tree. Mike McCarthy would be like, if you're maybe sat by Sean McVay, you will get a coaching job. Yeah, we'll get a coach. Yeah, I'll feel that. Yeah.
Okay. Mike McCarthy was like, Oh, I don't know. I don't know what happened. I was, I was, I was getting them a raisin bread and then all of a sudden the dog left and now the whole neighborhood was watching and I haven't seen I haven't seen Jessica since eight o'clock. Oh, oh, oh, Liam, Liam, where's your where's your dad keep the band-aids? Let's shit like that. I love podcasts. There's so much more loose.
I hope the audio sounds good and not like, no, it sounds good. Okay. But now for that exact reason, you need to put McCarthy instead of Raheem Morris, unless you have something to say about Raheem Morris, but I think your McCarthy bit here is too good. You got to slide that in. Then I'd put him on not true.
I had to put him on not true. So who would I kick out? Here's my not list. That was a pretty good list. I don't want the hardballs.
It was a, it's a funny story, so you should use it, but I don't want the hardballs. I don't want Antonio Pierce. Kittle end up in debt. No, Antonio, kids should definitely be on your non-list. So he's not, the non-list is hard. There's eight worse than that. Number eight is Mike Tomlin.
Oh, I don't know if I agree with that. I look, this guy, I don't know what they're doing. A quarterback is pissing me off.
I can't trust this guy to make a good decision. Number seven is Brian Dable. I knew he'd be on your not list.
Of course. I, you should be shocked. He's not a higher number six is Doug Peterson.
Just cause he would have now he'd lose control very quickly. He just get drunk. Number five is Matt Eber flus.
Can you give any validation for them? I don't disagree. Look at his hair. I don't trust you. I know, I know who's one and there's a great reason I hadn't put it in together. No, no, no, it's not him. I haven't thought of the hair.
I thought he'd be higher. Yeah, that makes sense. It's going to end up in a press conference. Can you steal that? Good. Three is Sean McDermott. Sean McDermott. God knows what kind of shit my kid's going to be believing after 10 minutes with Sean McDermott. That is funny. Good job.
I did not can make that connection yet. Number two is Mike McDaniel. Why? You know, Mike McDaniel, Mike McDaniel is like going to give my perfect little angel anxiety after babysitting him for five minutes. He's going to be like, number one, Sean Payton. Wait, so Shanahan's not even on your list? No, I'm sure he, I'm sure he's fine at babysitting.
He's the shitty coach. Oh, that's good segment. I look forward to hearing that on the radio.
That's really well done. You brought me your Thursday nights, right? You do that tonight. I'll let you finish whatever you're doing and then we can continue the podcast.
Oh, I got a weird, I got a weird email from somebody. Nice. Okay. Okay.
Oh, thank you for that. Um, by the way, I don't know who you're going to slide, but maybe McCarthy could be honorable mention on the non babysit list. Cause you have to throw in some of the McCarthy. Yeah, I'll take off. Uh, if there's someone, I'll take off Tomlin.
I liked what, you know what though? I was totally not sold on Tomlin until at the end you said, can't trust and make a good fucking decision. Yeah. Maybe Sean Payton shouldn't be on there then. Your, your kid under Mike Tomlin would be, he's my number one.
Sean Payton's my number one, but there's not anything really funny I can say. Yeah. The only thing I would say for Tomlin and is, uh, if Tomlin babysat your kids kid, in your case, your kid would be perfectly average, you know, the 500 version of a child. Yeah. A nine and eight kid, whatever that looks like.
You'd have a very like slightly above 500 kid. That's funny. Oh, that's good. Do you have a topic Paul? I do. Um, and I, I think this was actually a nice segue because the Bartle meter I was thinking of when I thought of the way I was considering this is the best quarterback coach combo in the NFL right now.
And I was thinking about it in the sense of, and I'm pretty sure Bart would be definitively one way on this because of his personal vendettas. But I was thinking like, which court coach quarterback combo would you trade Jordan love and Matt before for, is there any quarterback coach combo? Yes, you get both.
You lose the floor and love. You get coach and quarterback from another team. And I know you hate Shanahan, but I wonder what percent of NFL fans would trade love and the floor for Purdy and Shanahan. Uh, wow.
That's a good question. I think it would be a pretty close to, I know, I think I know what the chorus in this room would say, but I bet that'd be pretty close to NFL fans would rather have Purdy and Shanahan and the floor and love. Yeah. I'd say 70 would rather have the Niners combo. See, I think, I think, I think that's, I think you're probably right. And I think that's high.
It should be wrong. Would you trade love for Purdy? Do not consider, do not consider contract.
I don't know how many quarterbacks I'd trade love for. Okay. Is it close with Purdy? Is it even like, are they within like two slots of each other? Uh, no. Le Fleur and Shanahan. You could choose right now.
Is it even close? I'd rather have a floor. What do you think your audience would say? Your national audience, your non Wisconsin 70, 70 30. Will you, will you ask that at some point?
I'm just very curious. Um, yeah, that's a good one. So the love Le Fleur combo is a top and we can go through the list is a top three coach quarterback combo in the NFL or I'll give you some possibilities. The bills, you get Josh Allen. So even if the coach is like, eh, you still get Josh Allen. Um, who would be some other, so hardball with Lamar is probably a good one. No, I'm so interested. Proud with D'Amico.
It's probably a pretty good one. I'm going down the list. Mahomes and Reed. Oh, uh, sorry. You can chime in if you want. No, no, no, no, no. I chimed Campbell and Goff.
No, I mean, I don't know. I would say no. Um, Purdy, Purdy and Shanahan. I mean, is there anyone I haven't said that we should even be under consideration here?
Stafford McVeigh, if Stafford could stay healthy, maybe, but that's the biggest concern out of that pairing. Okay. I guess that's, I guess they should at least be considered.
Yeah. Um, so I mean, let's look through the list, but I was starting to think like, in my opinion, and I know you guys know that I strongly value coaching in professional sports, not so much in, not as much in baseball, but certainly NFL and NBA. And I just thought this past weekend, I thought, I think the Packers have a top five, like top five quarterback coach combo. And I consider coach to be, so I know we've done this exercise before in different ways, but if I was drafting my, if I was starting a franchise, I get an NFL team and everyone's available, the whole league's available. Obviously, first you got to get a quarterback, got to get a quarterback. I'm taking a coach really, really, really, really, really high. Like you can have premier edge rusher, or you can have great NFL coach. You can have great NFL head coach, or you can have elite cornerback. I don't know. I, you can have elite left tackle or you can have a great head coach.
I don't know. So you're with, you're actually with me on that. Yeah. He's coached last longer. That's exactly right. And there's more of like, there's more like there's more of a dependability like, okay, like I know what I'm getting.
I'm going to have him for a long time. Right. Can't get hurt. And the availability, availability is the best ability, which is why Harbaugh is getting dinged his whole, uh, cardiac event, which would only have it. You, you tell me right now, if Jim Harbaugh coach for any other NFL team, there's not a chance in heck that that happens. That only happens to the head coach of the Los Angeles chargers. I thought you were gonna say it only happens to Jim Harbaugh. Well, so here, so I do want to answer that, but I'll quick answer.
Grant's thing that he brought up. If you, how old is Harbaugh? Is he like 60? Right. Uh, yeah. 60, um, NFL head coaching is extremely stressful. Right.
I'm just embark. You've talked about this in the sense of like, why does, um, skip bail is not just go away. Like you've like, why don't I just go, if you're Jim Harbaugh and you have Jim Harbaugh's money, people to know, by the way, that there are a lot of things that I have said lately that I'm not talking about that person.
That was a great time to make that point, by the way, that's if I were you, that's exactly when and where I would have brought that up to like, when I talk about why are people so blindly following this person? Why are I'm not talking about the person talking about again, exquisite timing, dynamite drop is dynamite dropping by the way, Jim Harbaugh born in December of 1963. How about that? That's kind of a fun fact.
So he is 60. Oh, what a night that must've been. Bart's not listening. He probably would have got the record. Okay.
What I am talking about is the amount of people that are following without any recognition of their own accord, the amount of people that are following, um, Shohei Ohtani on this playoff journey as he is a devout gambler and did get away with it. I was waiting with the, who, who was the punchline? There was, I had a few choices.
I didn't have one. I didn't, I just, I had to think of it on. Who's he going to say? Anyway, I was gonna say about Harbaugh and then let's do the coaching quarterback thing. I was going to say about Harbaugh. Maybe I'm built. Maybe Harbaugh is built different and I'm not built correctly, but like, dude, you're, you're 60. You've had a great NFL coaching career.
You just won the national title in college football. You're having heart issues. It's okay to take the day off. Am I great? Like you had like, you've had now two serious.
I just, I'm trying to put myself in the mindset of someone who would be like, I don't care about my heart. I have to coach this regular season game in early October. You're not a football guy. That's what separates them. Am I, but is that, is he, is he weird or am I weird? No, I mean, is it connected to football?
That's the other thing. Like, is this happening to him because of football? It's not going to help what he's been doing it his whole life. Do you think he gets that much extra stress from a football game? It's been forever, but come on.
Okay. It's just another day going to work for him. Like, yeah, there's excitement.
There's game days. No, go take care of yourself, mr. Hogwarts. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know.
All right. Coach quarterback combos, um, name the ones you would, so I would say loving the floor top five before you go through the list of your own or that you'd put them list. Undiscussed top five. Well, if you fit like, okay, so my homes and read, but then now we're thinking how many court, like Josh Allen, do I want his coach?
No, that's what I'm saying. So like you, you obviously you get McDermott with it. McDermott, what was the decision he made? He got away with something and it wasn't against Houston.
He got away with something against the jets that I said, Oh, if this comes back to bite him, we'll be thinking about, Oh, the way that they covered the hail Mary, they were playing on the outside instead of McDermott. Like sometimes something bad happens to a team and you're like, God, how did that happen with, but with the bills, it's always like, Oh, that was fucking McDermott's fault. Yeah. I mean, it's all, it's always him.
Yeah. Uh, maybe Lamar and, and Harbaugh, but again, this is the same, the same way. Like we look at Tomlin and say, Oh, he doesn't want a playoff game since 2016. That's how people feel about Harbaugh in Baltimore that I talked to like, they're like, okay, guy, let's figure this out. You know, um, the stat on Ryan day at Ohio state where he's 61 and eight, but he's one in seven against top five teams. It's like, you're good, but you can't do the thing that we need you to do.
You can do the thing we want you to do, but you can't do this. So what other quarterbacks are there? I mean, obviously Trevor Lawrence and Doug Peterson are ACEs. Um, what about, what about contract also sucks.
What about D'Amico Ryan's and CJ Stroud? I'd still rather have love and LaFleur. I would too.
I don't know if that's local bias, but I would too. Love. I think, I don't know. I don't something there's, there's something, there's something that blocks people from thinking about love the way they think about Stroud. It's the rookie success. I mean, you right away, you had to wait for love to be good and then you kind of didn't see him be that good right away. Whereas Stroud, no one thought he was gonna be good.
Cause if his test score on that one IQ thing, he chucks it up like that and he's like Farvey. Well, no, this is, this is not as much of an interruption. This is a conversation, but I did interrupt you, but it's not with something stupid.
And I apologize, I guess it was, it was more just because I was being self-deprecating and you didn't catch onto it, but go ahead. I said, I said, no one thought Stroud was going to be good because a special report, a test that no one has still ever seen CJ Stroud did bad at, Oh, I won't draft them. Oh, by the way, someone, I never get tweets, right?
Because I don't tweet. I got it. I had a notification come up on my phone the other day. So I opened it and it was some guy who went and found something from like a year and a half ago that we talked about, about Stroud. He's like, you fucking idiot Stroud's great.
I'm like, wow. Okay, cool, man. You don't tweet Paul, but you are quite online from yeah. From the way our interactions go.
You're you have a watchful eye over every inch of the online world. You just don't interact with it. I'm at three months without tweeting minus a break where the brewers piss me off because they got bounced.
Are you like, yeah, that was a, that was a run that you went on there for a day or two. Well, that was my goodbye. Cause now I don't even retweet. I'm out of the game.
You're back out and you can't block and shit now or whatever. Speaking of the brewers, I really like Rosie act, but that was a chicken shit article he wrote. He posted yesterday. I, what are you right?
The lead, the lead was like, brewers defied expectations in 2024. And that's how they should be remembered. And I'm like, and then I saw a salary tweeted later on in the day and I'm like, we can't allow this, but I like, but I like, I like Rosie act. And I know that if I got in his mentions, like this is shit, he'd be like, dude, chill.
And then that would be the end of it. I'm like, what's even the point at UWM media day. Grant, do you ever have him on bill or your show? Uh, bill once in a blue moon.
Okay. Todd was like, how come you didn't come to the brewers at all this year? I'm like, oh, I didn't think they want me there. You stop with that shit. You're like, either you watching survivor? No, no. Oh, am I, am I like John?
What was it? John Faver or the other guy? No, no, no. Like this season of survivor. I don't even know what you're referencing. Oh, there's one guy that's like, everyone's going to know me and no one knows who he was.
I have no idea what that is. John Faver went on survivor and no, not that one. The other one. I don't, there was one of these, like those pod save America guys went on. Oh, John. Yeah. The pod save America guy. Yeah. He got bounced after week one.
He's got everyone know who he was and no one did. Right. I don't know. Actually, I guess I never Jimmy.
Wasn't Jimmy Johnson a first round bump too. I have no clue. He just went on once, like as a regular, he played survivor and I think he got bounced round one.
Was it like a celebrity version? He's on a season. Okay. That was a big deal. No, you guys don't get off the boat and just Jimmy Johnson's in your fucking truck coach. He's like, where's that idol?
I don't remember where we pivoted after we pivoted to our pivot. So Bart, you were maybe gonna say something about coaches. I don't know.
Sure. Uh, coach combo. Oh, Jordan love when he chucks it up like that and people are like, what's he doing that for? Like, I don't know.
Maybe it's Bukowski that tweeted it. No. Yeah. But if you're going to Chuck it up like that, I think I'm more at the point where Jordan love knows what he's doing rather than he's just that fucking lucky.
So, so Pete is anti love, just throwing it up or what are we saying? Like, well, if you practice lucky, then you get lucky. Can you, can one, can one practice like thing to tweet, um, like that throw over the middle of the Watson last week. Like there were, there was discourse about that.
There was disc. Why is there so much goddamn discourse about all of these throws? Like it's, it's, we are in the dissect every throw. He makes it's bonkers and look like not every throw he makes, I'm not going to sit here and defend every three years. But why, but why are we talking about every individual throw he makes like that deep ball against the Rams? That could have ended with all of us going collectively risky throw, but when a ball worked out, we could have moved on after that. And that would have been enough. And what's with, what's with years of being told that Aaron Rogers is the greatest teammate and then just taking a shovel to Mike Williams and throwing that guy, like what did Mike Williams, Mike Williams must've said something to him about, Hey, how is Egypt you fucker or something?
Cause this is unbelievable. I like that. It was obviously the next day was Devante Adams, but then also later that day was like, Mike Williams was not at practice for personal reasons. Like, yeah, he's still not back.
Of course. Now he's, he's, his foot is like entire leg just got ran over by the bus that Rogers threw him on there. And these guys cameling, cameoing on each other's hits.
Like they're SNL celebrities. Like, come on. Hey, guess what? I'm behind him. Oh, geez. You spend, you spend every moment together.
You guys have such a good relationship. Who made the eggs this morning? My Lord.
And again, just with Rogers, just, just leave it. Nevermind. Do you have a jet guy on this week? Who, uh, some guy that writes like a news, like the packer report version of the jets. Who is it? Don't ask me these people's names who I talked to. I don't fucking know. I didn't book them. All right, fine.
All right. But he's like, uh, I love, I love this. I love this microphone hold. It's so elite.
Um, on the Dan Cheney YouTube. Uh, but he's like, God, you know, the thing about Aaron Rogers is we used to, we used to have these quarterbacks, you know, you watch him, you cover the game, but with Rogers, you have to cover this guy like every day of the week. And I said, I told you guys, yeah, it's a full-time job. There's always something I'm looking forward to. And then we'll go back to Paul. I'm looking forward to this off season when we don't know if he's going to be back or not. And that's going to be a whole thing.
That's good. And it's going to be electric. It's going to be really, really entertaining. Any who, Paul, I think they're definitely top five Mahomes and reader. The only two that I can like confidently say, give me that.
I think you could make a case for others, but Mahomes and Reed. Well, love's better than a lot of quarterbacks and the floor is better than a lot of coaches. Yeah, it shouldn't be.
But what I want to know is I do want to know what like national people even just fans like nationalists. Sure. Like are we too close? Are we too close? No, it's not that we're too close.
It's the same reason. Like one of Bill's lines that I always like and I say is Sean or Sean Payton is Mike McCarthy with better PR. Yeah. Yep. And I think the 49ers have great PR like Brock Purdy.
Yeah. Brock to the hype machine around Brock Purdy. Jordan love never got that kind of treatment. And Kyle Shanahan gets more of the respect and Matt LaFleur. Now then again, Shanahan always beats the floors bitch ass into the ground. Is McConnell good enough and is Darnold close enough that the Darnold no Arnold is not good.
You you're going with Donald. Is he your new Purdy that you're going to it's going to take you a full playing really well. But it's not good. The underlying average. We're not we're not at the point where we have like the peripheral stats can actually be legit like the turnover worthy plays out of a clean pocket and like stuff like that on Darnold is a lot of his I had an analyst on last night who I asked what can we expect to maybe what should we watch with the Vikings coming out of the bind? He said EPA or positive let's just say positive offensive things coming from huge explosive plays because that's where Sam Darnold has made a lot of his hey this year is just Oh, Jefferson's down there.
Let me keep it up. Like in that Jets game to like they called everything a PI. It's like the it's like Trae Young was out there running routes like Justin Jefferson got 60 yards on a pass interference play. So that kind of stuff. But I think the like the bones of Darnold and that offense are good Bart to your point like there are better quarterbacks than Jordan love. I just don't really love any of those coaches and then there are better coaches than Matt LaFleur but then I I don't love those quarterbacks as much.
Yeah. Okay so I I really want this to be like something that we have like 12 people just debating because this is fun. We're all the angry men. So just react to what you were like that you don't have a list. You've not built your own list.
I just want to know like top your mind where would you put the following? Jayden Daniels and Dan Quinn 10th to 12th. Yeah. That feel about right Campbell and golf eighth or ninth. Yeah. I don't know what we're ranking against just ballparking them. Yeah.
Those blind reveals where even more though maybe more on that higher. Yeah. Okay. Let's do Shanahan Purdy six. I'd take Campbell and golf. I think I would do this was I kind of thought maybe they should be higher because I would have no because I need Ben Johnson with golf. Well, well and maybe with Campbell actually that's a really good point. But then like I do I do think the Lions lose the like the Campbell golf pairing loses five slots without Ben Johnson.
So that's it. But but and this is the other weird thing when we're evaluating coaches like Dan Campbell Dan Campbell should get credit for keeping because I was a holdover from the Patricia era he gets credit for that he gets credit for promoting him and then like moving forward. Can I have more trust in Dan Campbell versus another coach to go find his next Ben.
You know what I mean? Yeah. And Quinn never found his next Kyle Shanahan. Yeah. Maybe Dan Campbell could find his next Ben Johnson like that's a skill of a coach is to be able to find the guy and I I don't want to just say flat out that once Ben Johnson leaves Dan Campbell's bone because I don't think that's fair or true.
Yeah. And also I don't know if Ben Johnson just decided this completely on his own or Dan Campbell sales pitched him but he also Ben Johnson could be an NFL head coach right now. And out of desire to make it to the Super Bowl with the Lions or whatever it was his reason he stayed.
And I don't know. I don't know like if Dan Campbell was a terrible person to work for. Do you think Ben Johnson would still be there? I'd be like no, right?
Like if he and the rest of that organization must be a good organization must be a good place to work and Dan Campbell gets credit for that hundred. Yeah. Top your head where you would put McVeigh and Stafford. I know we talked about it.
Where'd you put them? Top 10? Well, definitely, but four or five loosely. Yeah. Ahead of those other pairs.
I don't know. I Yes, often Campbell versus McVeigh and Stafford is that a because I think McVeigh is better and Stafford when healthy is better. I think McVeigh is we all talk about how McVeigh hardball and Herbert not top 10 13 to 15.
Wow. Are we sure are we that sure that Herbert is a good quarterback in a way that actually helps you win games. Like I don't want a quarterback to just be Did you see that throw?
I don't give a shit. Like how many times did you watch Brady go on a run and just put it up on the pulley over and over and over again in these playoff games like making highlight throws is great. I'm still not sure that Herbert can do all the other things about burrow and Taylor. That was my next one.
That's my next one. I what do you guys think is that Taylor I think he's I think he's probably like 15th as a coach. He's in borough is top six as a quarterback. But with the health concerns, ding him a spot or two seven.
Yeah, I'm probably like in the seven to nine range for the sounds like a good bardo meter for a few weeks from now. Yeah, there you go. Next topic. Well, we got about five minutes.
Sounds good. This is a quickie. I have not looked at the odds. But Evan Williams Packers rookie safety fourth round pick is pro football focuses number one ranked safety not rookie safety safety. Xavier McKinney has been an incredible pickup for the Packers and free agency site ons unless you've seen this and I've not looked it up yet because I wanted to be unbiased in asking the question and then give you my answer then we can look it up. Xavier McKinney as defensive player of the year. Evan Williams as rookie of the defensive rookie of the year. Xavier McKinney is higher on the defensive player of the year odds right now than Evan Williams is as the defensive rookie of the year odds. Mm hmm.
Mm hmm. You think so? I think Evan Williams probably not even on there.
And that could be true just because like he came from the fourth round, it takes longer to get noticed. But he obviously can't he's no better than 25 to one. Can we? I have a thing to add to this. Yeah, it doesn't need to be right now. I just a pet peeve of mine. And I think Packers fans do this more than our other Bruce fans do it a little bit too. Bucks fans don't do it.
Anytime and this is a criticism of you Paul because this is an interesting topic. I just why anytime when a guy has a good month. And it's it's honestly it's pakowski's fault because he does this more than anyone.
Why is it anytime a guy plays well, we have to immediately find a way to argue that they're the best. They're number one at this in this group. Sure. Like, hey, Jayden reads.
Awesome. Looks like a star. Best slot receiver. He's about he's the best slot receiver in the league. He's who else? Well, let's say nobody else. I mean, who else could you even argue?
It's got to be Jayden Reed. It's like Jesus Christ. Can we just like, why do we have to? I don't know.
That's as a pet peeve of mine. It seemed with Joey Ortiz is like, I mean, he's probably an all star third baseman like he's got a great couple months. Like, why do we maybe it's just fan behavior. Maybe it's not specific to the factor.
Yeah, it could be. By the way. So Xavier McKinney, I'll just use the one that I found 12345. I see him as 16 to one or 25 to one right around where I Yeah, those are the two I have but but do you know where that like how many guys do you think are above him have better odds than McKinney? I'm looking at the list.
Okay, so you do have it up. Grant, how many do you think it is? How many guys are ahead of McKinney on the defensive player of the year?
Deep ranking? Eight. Seven guys are the highest safety because it's always it's guys that get a bunch of sacks. Yeah. TJ Watts dirty ass Max Crosby future lion. That would be that would be cool. I hope that happens.
Just as on there. TJ Watt, not miles gay. Why Crosby will Anderson Fred Warner Chris Jones Dexter Lawrence Nick Bosa McKinney.
That's that's reasonable. Mills Garrett right after that. So McKinney eight certain nine miles Garrett rookie of the year ads. If that exists yet. Yeah. Yeah. Evan Williams is not even on here, bro.
Nobody knows he knows who he is. Yeah. Jared verse Latu, Quinion Mitchell, Dallas Turner. No, wait, I have I have I have a month I have Evan Williams. Seventh. Are you at Evan Williams dotnet? No, but I'm looking at the it's like a compilation of draft kings and Van Dool and all these other ones he's got plus 4000 Do you guys think the Mets will come back? I do.
You're just saying that entirely because of the historical. Well, now I finally put money on them. Now they're not gonna go to the World Series. Jesus, you did put real money on it. 20 bucks. What was like, back when they beat the Brewers you did that?
Yes, I put him 10 I put him six to one at $10 to go to the World Series and 15 to one to win. 10 bucks each. Okay.
Some stuff. I hit. I hit 12 of my 14 NFL picks this last week against the spread on Bill show.
ATS. Yeah, those are Horvat numbers. I know. Okay, there were three of them that came within a half point in the Thursday lines. I've never felt I've never felt as good about a game as I did Browns plus nine and a half against Philly. Are you shitting me?
Philly, Philly to cover nine and a half. No, not no. Alright, my last question for you guys. L my giants are beating them this weekend. By the way. What's up? L Michaels is looking forward to tonight's game.
Mm hmm. Or who is it again? Atlanta, Rocco's saints, uncle saints, Sean Payton night in America.
Exactly. Perfect night for you to do your Yeah, there's just no juice to that homecoming. I mean, can you bet L Michaels at all?
L Michaels like for fucks sake. Hey, I like your giants pick too, by the way. What's that over Philly? Oh yeah, they're beating Philly. They're at the very least covering.
Just bet against Philly continuously. Bart, you look like you need to go buy a Red Bull and a pack of cigarettes and raid the quick trip hot case. That's the clothing that you're wearing is all of the the painters and the electricians at 615 in the morning that are quicker.
You know what I you know what I fancy the most about myself is that I can look very blue collar despite being a white collar pussy. Now I said the word. What the hell? Good call back. Yeah.
Thank you and good night. That's it. I look I look like rich men from Richmond guy. You do.
But I think a lot of people like that's kind of like the look right. Where did he go? Where did he go?
Where did he ever ended up hearing it? Yeah, I look like a guy who's like, got five pair of jeans, and they're all wrecked with pine tar tar. I mean, from school rings. Yeah.
I looked like a guy who knows his way behind a stop slow sign. The flagger. Yeah. Dream job.
What do you burn a little little radio listening to sports talk all day flipping back and forth? What do you consider your job though? Like, huh? It's not it's white collar. But I mean, kinda. I mean, you're not working with your hands if that's like the definition. So then I'm not I don't know.
But you just sit around and talk sports. What is that? Is that a different color color? I have no idea. If Bart was wired differently, his Twitter bio would read something like storyteller slash Marvel addict slash. I don't know what do you what restaurants do you like going to? They always talk about that in there. And then like, at my wife's husband and dad to name father to and pet pet pet is included, too. Wait. So if you I want to grant the answer to Bart. If you could not do a job that meant creating content not allowed and nothing to do no content creation or any of the what would Bart Winkler be doing?
I would like to do something in the mode of like, what I liked about door dashing was that I had a specific specific task, which I could complete. I could watch the profit rise. And once I'm done, I'm done.
I would I would do a job where I could just be done. Grant, what would you do? You'd be like a woodsman, Grant.
You know what I was actually going to say? You know what my answer is actually going to be, but only half sarcastic was Bureau of Land Management. I would love to do that. Drive around in a truck, spend a lot of taxpayer money on diesel in a in a giant truck just to drive out to some random fucking plot of land to make sure a gate works. And that's what I want to do. I want to be if I did it over. I'd want to be like a city planner.
I'd go into like city. Yeah. You can do that.
A lot of people do that full time. It's just flying your drone around and posting old pictures on the internet. Oh, and pictures of 794 when there are no cars on it. Now I have something controversial to say and then I'll leave because I hate 94.
I don't think it should exist. But the way that I have to go to work right now, I have to get on 794. And so I use it because I can't get on 43 to go south and then like drives off. And I taped it one night to send to you, Grant. But then I was like, I didn't. The view coming up and you see downtown and you're on 794.
And you can see it's just an incredible view. Yeah. Right towards the hone.
No 794. Getting I get on. I get on off by the museums that I go through downtown West. Oh. So I'm getting on at that world's worst intersection.
And I'm getting on and I it's nighttime and I see all the buildings and all the signs and I'm like, this is just magnificent. But they got to take it down. What? You don't even you guys don't even have reasons why it should come down. You just know that it's the popular thing to say. Tear down 94 tomorrow's 794.
Yeah, one more lane that should fix it. Just Jesus. Get a job. That's what I have to say to people who just spend all day tweeting all that stuff. Respectfully except for coming into the Winkler verse grant bills Paul Emig. Don't leave when I hang up. I want to talk to you off the air. Are we going to get scolded? No, I just want I just want people to think that there's something mysterious I have to tell you guys and I'm just going to fart into the microphone. Am I did I take a gummy?
I don't maybe I did. All right. See you guys. Bye.
