Good afternoon everybody. Welcome to the WinklerVerse.
I'm Bart Winkler, Grant Bills, Paul Imig, doing the Tim Shea driving and potting experience. Except with a lot more hair. Wow, what a wildly unnecessary burn. I did not expect you to say that. Hell yeah. Every time I see the screenshot of a Bart and Tim Shea video, it's hard to not see the first thing be like Tim with his shaved hat. I'll call it a shink hat. Maybe he should wear hats.
I'm a big hat guy because of that reason. Tim's going to cue this up and be like, man, a Friday, this is going to be great. I can't wait to listen.
And then 50 seconds in, he's like, wait, what the hell? Yeah, we do have an episode with Tim Shea this week. We talked about the John Gruden quote unquote news.
I just recorded with Horvat, so the pics are out in the wild. And now we've got some mmhmm mmhmm. And I guess Paul, with you being the vagabond that you are, you can just take it away. Well, I like how our our early chatter pre topic was just me commenting on baldness. But OK, sounds good. So I saw this article earlier in the week. I think it was what I just it was Bleacher Report. I was trying to recall.
And it's two weeks in. But it was an assessment of every team's biggest weakness. It ended up ranking them one through five. But I remember thinking before the season that. Though the Packers aren't some super roster, they also have a lot of depth and like there's really not. At least, again, this is speaking like prior to the season, not some super obvious man, if only they weren't so bad at position X. At least that's how I saw it.
I'm going to ask you the question based on the answer that they gave. And by the way, don't think of it in terms of defensive line generally offensive line generally. But, you know, specific position. So what they said was the Packers biggest weakness was the center position. Josh Myers or that you would agree the Packers biggest weakness.
You got to pick one is the starting center. Well, if he's throwing up on the football. Yeah, that like that's like a cute story that like, you know, John Boy can aggregate and all that bullshit.
It bugs me, dude. If you have if you don't have talent, you can't just make videos. That's not.
I mean, these videos where people just put their head in behind like a like a play or a screen. Anyway, you guys seem to be pro John Boy. I'm not pro. You shook your head at me.
I'm just like, no, no, no. You said if you don't have talent, you just make videos. Well, then what are we doing?
What does that say about us? We are recording audio because we are orators and conversationalist. The video happens to be a necessity in today's consumption age. But at its core, this is an audio. This is an audio experience. Yeah, I'll accept that.
That's fine. Now, I also get sucked in. So I think I'm better than this content. But then I just go reels all day and like rewatch episodes of Seinfeld on reels. It's terrible. I just hate the way content is.
But I well, I don't contribute to it. I'm so I'm so busting my ass doing long form shit that no one wants. Do you ever feel like a total sucker for doing hours and hours of live radio? Yeah. You ever like, why the hell?
Why am I working so hard? I agree. I know where that I know where you're coming from. And I not I mean, I thank you guys for your time to be here, but I feel more irrelevant than I ever have in my entire career. I mean, I just has nothing to do with the fact that you do this with us every week, right? That's just people that listen to me every morning.
Don't know that I'm on that station now, but at night. They just don't know. Nobody nobody knows. Now, let me just propose to you an idea. I'm not getting recognized a quick trip anymore. Well, you're not even on the same battlefield. And I understand why.
But it was a battlefield battlefield. Let me propose to you a crazy idea, considering that you have, what, twelve thousand followers on one of your social media platforms. But what about using that to promote the fact that you have a show?
Just, you know, throw that out there. I won't. I'm done.
I'm not I'm not engaging as long as as long as the platforms in the direction that it's in. So let me give you let me give you a suggestion. I mean, I got to have standards, Grant. No, you don't. You don't have one. I want one.
I want one moral. What about this part? What if you just sent me your password and every night at eight fifty nine p.m., unbeknownst to you, I'll say, check out my show on Infiniti Sports Network. Tonight, I'll be doing this. I'll be doing that. And then you won't even know.
Well, actually, Carlos should be doing that on the Infiniti account. And then I would retweet it. Well, there you go. Oh, you would retweet it. I'm a retweeter. I'll still retweet. So anyway, if people start to see Bart promoting his show, it's it's just me.
So you're not really responding to Bart in case he takes this advice seriously, which he should. Go ahead. I think the biggest weakness because I was doing picks with Horvat and he took the Titans as long as Jordan loves not playing. Wow.
OK. It's that we can't we can't catch pick six interceptions. We constantly drop those and against the Will Levitz team, that's going to be a problem because he will give you one. The center puking on the football is a problem because then you can't throw the football.
Yeah. I think the biggest weakness is still the special teams, specifically kicker. You got all these guys kicking 50 yard field goals and everyone everyone's making the same joke now, like three foot putt or chip shot or some golf thing. And meanwhile, the Packers are struggling.
It's a third. And the Packers there every time that they the Packers kick, they also give you the this guy's going to miss the kicking. You guys know what I'm talking about? There's like a TV angle where they give it to you like, oh, shit, this guy's going to miss. Did did that did that first kick of the game against Indy not feel like the game was hanging in the balance on that? Like if he misses that kick after a beautiful first drive and the crowd is into it as a beautiful Sunday afternoon at Lambeau and then he misses that first kick. I know the Packers led comfortably and really dominated that game. But I felt like that, like if he had missed that kick on the first drive, the game, I think the path diverges.
I think it goes a different route the rest of the way. Yeah. Also, I'll tell you about Paul's thing is that one of the biggest lies I've ever told in my career is that I don't know what goes on on an offensive line. I don't I don't know anything about it. And in fact, when I try to learn, I don't try to learn because it bores me to death. I have no interest.
Yeah. I still think I could coach a team to nine wins, but I don't care about the offensive line. That's that's, by the way, a good radio trick when when I don't know about the salary cap or I don't know what the offensive line to turn it around on the listener. Be like, that's not additive to the game. That's not interesting.
Fans shouldn't have to care about. You make it everyone else's problem that you're not an expert. That's what you tell me. You tell me you guys you guys are smart.
This is a different day in it. You guys you guys know football. I'm I might be a voice, but you guys know as much as I do. You tell me what you see or the salary cap.
Leave that to the it's not additive to the fan experience. Look, if you want to do spreadsheets, follow Ken Ingalls. OK, I'll learn what I need to learn. It just it doesn't interest me. I've started saying things like that on my show.
And maybe it's out of laziness, but also like I don't I'm not doing the salary cap stuff or like some of this game. I feel like we're on the you're you're on the rise because you're using Twitter. I mean, the videos have been great for you. Yeah.
Yeah. Twitter is a great platform. You're reaching new audiences because you're willing.
And meanwhile, I'm trying to have moral you. Look, there were days and it wasn't that long ago where I looked at your Twitter and I was like, God, if I could do that, you were punchy and you would step up, you would step up to the line. You'd occasionally cross it.
But that was part of the appeal. I remember that Tiger Woods video that you tweeted. It's like, God damn it.
Why did we crowd behind him? You remember that? Why didn't I think of that? And you just you don't try anymore. You don't push. You don't have the same drive on that platform that you once did when I looked up to you and you're like, God, if I could just get there because my drive is on the radio. You know, so many people so many people on the radio. There's all these articles that say you have to work more than just your show. You've got to be grinding on social media.
You got it. And I'm and I'm being like. Yeah, I was doing that. And now I don't want to anymore.
That's fine. But is it hurting? Is it helping? Has it ever? I mean, this platform almost got me fired seven times. And that's not an exaggeration.
Help give me the show that I have. We never know. I mean, it doesn't hurt when you just look and see how many followers you have. Like, that's that's a nice number. That's a nice reach. I think the Packers biggest weakness might be center, Paul. But then we have to have the discussion of, like, if we're waiting positional importance, like if you have an an awful center and you have an edge rusher who's just meh. Like, does the edge rusher hurt you more than the awful center?
You know what I mean? Like, I don't know that the Packers have a super weak link. Cui Walker through three weeks has been or two weeks has been poor.
And Bart's right. Like dropping pick sixes and missing those opportunities like that. That kills you. Maybe not against Anthony Richardson in your home opener when everything seems to be going your way. But in the playoffs against the Niners, when Brock Purdy throws you an opportunity, it bricks right off your hands. Like, imagine if Anthony Richardson in the in the Colts would have gone down and won that game. You're 0-2 feeling like you should have won both games.
You're staring 0-3 in the face going on the road and you still don't know when your quarterback's coming back. Like, so I don't know that Cui Walker is this disaster. He's been a disappointment. I don't know that he should be benched or anything crazy. Cui Walker came to mind because even if your center is just meh, Paul, I still don't know that that really crushes you because I don't know how important center is relative to other positions.
Well, and also because it helps that he's at least on one side, he's got an Elton Jenkins, you know, Zach Thomas performing terrific. So like the offensive line, you can pinpoint a single position and say, yeah, it would be nice if they had. I mean, the Packers, let's face it, like Brian Gudekins has been very, very good as GM overall. He butchered his center pick three, four drafts ago. Like when you look at all the guy, all the multiple two, three different centers that were picked near after that and are much, much better. Didn't Creed Humphrey go like one or two picks after? One pick after I believe it was.
And even and even Whitewater's own Quinn Miners went like a round and a half later. He just got a 90 million dollar extension from Denver. But yeah, but I mean, that aside, you know, Bart, I know I have to assume that Bleacher Report did not consider Kicker as a possible option because then they ended up ranking one through five with the top five were after saying that center was the top weakness. And Kicker wasn't mentioned. And the only way that that could be true is if they did not consider Kicker. So I hadn't considered Kicker. It probably is Kicker.
At least until we find out, like, can you, you know, he's two games into his rookie season as an undrafted kicker who switched teams right before the regular season started. So, yeah. And now they're like, they're going to give this guy patience.
Like, well, just do that. I still can't believe, by the way, that Brian Gudekins cuts his Kicker the day before. Like basically the season starts the last day roster cut downs and then his ass comes to the podium and says, I don't know, maybe sometimes I'm a little drastic with specialists. It's like, OK, well, you just cut him.
Like, why are you telling us now? That was insane that he did that. I loved it, though. I mean, that's the kind of I mean, you're right.
It's insane. I would, you know, again, if you were to be his if you're the Packers PR staff, you'd probably say Brian next time a little bit less honesty, could you? But it was a nice breath of fresh air because he even mentioned J.K. Scott in that answer.
Right. It was that was his same response where he's like, well, I mean, I'm the same guy that got J.K. Scott. He's doing pretty good now. But Anders Karlsson is not is he even on a practice squad somewhere? Did I miss the news that he's I don't think he is. I don't think he's any.
So if he's even like Greg Joseph is now the practice squad kicker for somebody. Right. I think I saw.
But Anders is. Yeah. I mean, so interesting. He's he's actually working. I found this. What is this, LinkedIn? He's working as rich Versace, his pool boy. But that only runs through the end of the season. So he's almost out of work there.
Yes. The pool season's coming to a close. So what is he going to do? Like starting in November, at least maybe one of these guys like around here. Well, this is how it used to be, is you would landscape in the summer and then do snow plowing in the winter.
Now, because it doesn't snow anymore because of global change or climate warning or whatever. He's moved to Westby to be with his people. That's that's what he should do.
He would love it there. So I'm going to say Kicker for all. Yeah. So the other one, I think I'm going to go with Kicker, too. Though Josh Myers, I know that Andy Herman's guy.
Just kidding. Andy Herman is not shy about Josh Myers being bad. But Kicker is my answer as well. I would say, though, if I was to ask you, the most frustrating Packer to watch is play Walker.
I would say Jair is so good that like it sometimes makes up for the fact that I also say like, like he's a very frustrating player to watch. But Quay Walker is my most frustrating guy to watch. But I wouldn't say inside linebacker is the weakest position because Eric fucking Wilson is great.
Like, so I don't know. Adrian Cooper has potential. Eric Wilson has been really good. McDuffie's good in rotations.
He's made plays in small samples before. Guys, I got to be honest with you. I don't even really watch the defense. I think you watch football and I don't think you'll deny this. I think you watch football for the. For the fantasy football and probably for like the daily fantasy as well.
Yeah, I'm a stat merchant. My my most frustrating Packers were Sean Gary and we don't need to. You are never going to like he's going to retire and get his. He's not not frustrating given the salary, but he really bought like he actually he grinds your gears more than Quay Walker does.
He did. It's because I think I think we don't need to do this. I don't want to do this. I just he looks the part when I listen to him talk. I'm like, man, that's that's that's the guy.
It's your number one edge rusher. And then I watch him play and it's like that's Nick Perry. So that's that. That's what frustrates me.
Well, but I mean, Perry was the worst. Brad Jones. Well, we are brought to you by Happy Place Hemp. Let me go solo action as I like to do. Happy Place Hemp. The promo code is Bart, B, A, R, T, B, A, R, T. That's my name. You type it in when you're checking out at Happy Place Hemp dot com and then you get 25 percent off.
Now, I watch some of these videos. I watch some of these podcasts and it's like, hey, here's the super big thing that you can get. Use my code. You get like five dollars off your first plate or ten dollars off your first order. Twenty five percent off every goddamn time. Promo code is Bart. Oh, you already used it? Use it again. Promo code Bart at checkout. The CBD, the THC, the CBD, CBN, the balms, oils, lips, pets. They're snacks to help your dogs. Big time in thunderstorms that I guess never come because it never rains here either.
We just have no weather anymore. But Happy Place Hemp dot com. The promo code is Bart.
Twenty five percent off every order. There's only one place you can hear a three time national championship winning head coach. A Heisman Trophy winning running back and national champion and someone to keep everything on the tracks. Every week, Coach Urban Meyer running back Mark Ingram than me.
Rob Stone. Get into what matters most to you. We take you inside the biggest moments of college football. While having some fun bringing you guests from all over sports and entertainment.
Watch triple option on YouTube or listen on Apple podcast, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Did you guys? Paul, did you catch any of what I had to say last night? Because I think I came up with an all time Bart analogy. What was it?
I've heard the first hour or so. What was it? It's about Robert Sala. Oh, yeah.
Was it the analogy that he's the friend in the name? Yes, I'll say it's OK. I think it's a top five because, Grant, I grew up on a street and it was blocked by two. Like it's just a street. There was no like street and then crossed the street. Like there's no intersections is a T at both intersections. So it's just it's OK.
So like a dead end or it was not dead end, but it's just like it's a street. OK. There was outlets.
But there was there was not. You know what I'm saying? No, I fucking don't.
The more you talk, the less I know what you mean. There's one street. Is that is that the cult? Is it the cul-de-sac with the not a cul-de-sac? There's one street.
When you went to the end of the street, you could turn left or right and not straight. Oh, OK. Both ways. Yeah.
The T. Yeah. So it felt included. It felt like it felt like very. But on the street from happenstance, there were about seven of us, eight of us. That were all kindergarten and first grade or we were all like within 18 months of each other. And you could go outside and play with I mean, you just go outside and there's three kids playing or maybe six kids playing or there's always somebody outside playing.
So there's always a friend to play with. And it was a little rat pack of kids. But then there's also this other kid. Who grew up like four blocks away. But he thought he was a part of the block. He showed up to the block party. He showed up when you guys were playing stuff. No one really knows where he came from or who invited him, but he was really adamant that he was part of the team. And so you just like accepted that he was part of the team, even though you could do all this shit without him. That kid is Robert Sala is what I'm saying. I heard you say last night that Robert Sala could have just stayed at home last night and they would have won the game and it would look the same thing.
And I'm not sure that I totally disagree. I mean, just just like before the Rogers hug thing, he like was celebrating a play and it looked like it was a fan was on the sideline. Like and not like a longtime Jets fan, like he married into a Jets family and he's putting up the charade like, oh, the team scored.
You all like, oh, yay. He just looks so disingenuine and lost. Can I can I ask a follow up, Paul? It seems like you have I just I want to know more about Bart's Robert Sala feelings. You don't like Rogers. It's fine. We don't need to get on. I'm I'm I'm I have nothing on Rogers. I'm not asking for your shit.
I've got up to middle. I've heard of I've heard years of Rogers content from you. You more than most people should want to sympathize with Robert Sala and the position that Rogers has put him in. Right. Like that's what that's what I should hear from you.
That's what I'd expect to hear from you. You don't feel that at all. And I don't think Sala is a great coach. But like what I would expect Bart Winkler to say is, well, with Rogers running everything and being an ass on the sideline, how are we ever supposed to know how Sala's supposed to get a good chance to be an actual coach?
No, with Matt Leflore, he made Matt Leflore the co-manager. Robert Sala doesn't belong to be there in the first place. OK, Robert Sala accidentally got important at work and it's ruining his life. That's what's happening. Robert Sala is oh, he's running the company because it's it's been in the family for generations. And I know that it's not that's not the case, but that's the demeanor I get from him.
I he he is he does not belong as a head coach. Grant, what I was going to say a few minutes ago was your comment about how you heard Bart say that they would have won the game, the same by the same score, whether Robert Sala was there or not, is actually a perfect analogy to like the Bart friend group thing as a kid, because the Bart friend group as a kid in the neighborhood would have been the same whether the kid from four blocks down joined or not. The same activities would have happened. It all would have. But the night would have been the same.
It's just that person wasn't part of it that night. So it actually lends even further credence to Bart's analogy. This actually is a perfect transition to my next topic. Do you have anything else to say on Sala or should I hit you with the Segway?
Hit me with the Segway. So this is not a I don't know how to frame it. So I'm just going to ask you a question outside of our typical context. I want you to build your perfect NFL head coach. So I'll give you some examples of what I mean by that. A former NFL offensive coordinator, a former NFL defensive coordinator. We're losing you a little bit.
So is what he's saying is like the backgrounds in which we want to get talking where we want to come from. He's still going. I've got no audio of him. And he's he is as impassioned as he's ever been.
It looks like it's tough. He is. And he doesn't hear us speaking hand gestures.
He's driving on it. You guys have to if you're on the audio, it's the twenty three minute mark. You have to see this. It is unbelievable. He is gone and gone. And now. Hey, hey, hey. We didn't get a thing you said. We didn't get a goddamn thing you just said. But Paul, nothing. We still can't hear you. We still cannot hear you.
But we see you so clearly. That's what I don't. Nothing. Did you turn your Bluetooth on in your car? He's pissed.
It's funny when it's not my Internet, although I have been riding one bar this whole time and I'm like super nervous and sweating. Well, Paul was cutting a little bit in a little bit out when we started. And then we set up the first question. He took his time like he was not like, all right, just in case my Internet's bad, let me be very direct so we can get going. I got right into it. Yeah. Yeah.
He was winding and it held out on him. Sorry, Paul. That was a good topic, too. Paul, you've never been more impassioned. You were just watching your face.
You were I mean, you look like Johnny Cochran. How much of it did you hear? None. I heard I was getting where you're like former offensive corner, former defensive corner and then nothing. So let's try again.
Let's see if I can refine the passion. It can be a former NFL. You can be the son of an NFL head coach from a general. No, it could be a college coach.
It can be a retread. It could be an old guy, a young guy. It can be someone who worked in college like a Jeff Halfley.
If you were to get a head coaching job in the NFL straight out of college, it can be someone who was. I got the answer. I got the answer. So anyway, build your perfect. I was saying you don't have a limit on your attribute points.
Build them from scratch. And he's your head coach. Bart Winkler, you go first. You've got an answer. Now, here's here's what I'm going to tell you. And this is what I said about JJ McCarthy. Like the fact that he's hurt for the year.
Yeah. I don't want to see him just doing normal backup quarterback things. He's not playing. So he should spend a week up with the offensive coordinator watching him call plays.
He should spend a week with the defense, seeing how they scout other teams. The more you can know about an operation, I think the better. This is how I came up in radio. This is how Grant came up in radio. Where, Grant, if you're on a remote and something breaks down, you know what to do. I think there's people that are stunned when I'm like, oh, no, I'll just do this and do this and I can connect it. It's like a lot of these people came up in radio where they don't know how to they don't know how to plug a hole into a wire.
They can't compute it to no sales, to no logs, to know all this kind of stuff, I think just makes you better at your job. So for a coach, I want to see somebody. And Paul, when you make the connection, this will work. I want to see someone who started in the film room.
I want to see someone who's been grinding. I want to see somebody take the Eric Spolstra route to get to the head coaching position, where they know a little bit about a lot of things and are a respectable enough adult that people will listen to them when they command attention. Before you even said film room, I'm like, this is going the way of Spolstra. And I hope I'm not the one who has to bring it up. God damn it. That's why I thought Eric Mangini should have been such a great coach, because he came up the same way. I'll contend he was a good coach and Favre boned him. Favre's immaturity boned him. I still think Mangini was OK, but I like him on TV.
Maybe that's why. Paul, go ahead. Is there currently an NFL head coach that fits even close to that mold? A guy that worked his way up from the film room? No, because half the coaches in the league were like sucking off the teat of Mike Shanahan. Or Kubiak. Clint Kubiak's in vogue again. I remember when he was with the Vikings, everyone hated him. Now he makes Derek Carr good for a half a month and everyone wants him to be their next head coach. Oh, here was a little wrinkle to it that I meant to ask that when I was, even when my passion first when I was muted or whatever that'll happen, that I didn't mention.
I would say you could also have, you could also take him and maybe you say, hell no, I don't want that. There we go. Got you again. Yep. Now we got you. OK. OK. So that was because a phone rang and then it got all messed up. But you can hear me.
OK. Was going to be. Would you take like a smart guy from a smart college who didn't play football and you kind of like you put dumb football guys with him and you took like this genius level dude who doesn't know shit about football. But could probably figure out how to manipulate defenses instead of just having to like, you know what, let's ban two high safeties. Would you consider part of that being one of your attributes of like smart guy who doesn't know shit, but he's going to listen to the football guys where he needs to?
Is that anything? No, I want a guy. I want I want a Lance Leipold. I want a guy who coached D3.
OK, I want a guy who's coached, not just his first job was in the NFL. Yeah. Yeah. Like if I want a producer, I don't want to I don't I don't some of these like big companies at the top need people to, but they'll they'll get entry level.
Nobody works like their way up. It's all like I don't know. Chuck would always say this. He'd say like, we are a radio station, Milwaukee. How is this anybody's first job?
Yeah. How is any anybody, any producer, anybody? This should not be your first job. This should be a place. I mean, when I when I was looking for TV jobs, I was applying to Elmira, New York.
I was applying to all these places because I saw so many before me, like Rhinelander is a big spot where people go for like a day and a half before they go to Wausau for three weeks, before they go to Milwaukee, before they go to Chicago. But they don't do that anymore because because because no one wants to work. But this is a this is a small mini little tangent off of this. These are all the same things that happen like in the music world of when I was in the band. And then like if a band breaks and they have overnight success, it's like you didn't earn it. What you do is have one catchy song, put it on TikTok and hear the song of the summer. And this is all back to content.
Who did that? The channels of content have changed. And old heads like us need to adapt. Yeah, no thanks. Grant an old head?
Oh, I mean, have you grants at all? I mean, he's he's older. He's like mentally he's older than I am.
That might be true. He's wise. He enjoys nature. He enjoys the pine cone. I'll use the pine cone. I did stop at the pine cone today.
He he eats breakfast at a diner. What's wrong with that? Well, it's just it's an old soul thing to do. Something to break up the morning. By the way, Grant, I watched the first place I saw the Rogers and Sala interaction last night was on your video, seeing as you've adapted to the standards. And then I saw I wasn't listening to it. I didn't have the audio on when I first watched it. And I looked in the in the comments and it was Bukowski saying, what's with the conversation in the background? And then I listened to it. And I just appreciated, though, you told them to basically like, yeah, it just be quiet. Pete was that your your significant other was almost like she was just read an interesting article. And I was like, oh, Grant's going to eventually get comfortable enough with her to say, hey, honey, I'm shooting a video real quick. Can you be quiet so I don't have background noise? Do you know how stupid I felt I was on my knees in front of the TV getting this video.
She's telling me something important that happened during her day. And I'm like, I'm like this, but I'm also like, yeah, that's part of the jam. I felt like an idiot. I was hoping it was going to go like, like mega viral million views.
And then everyone's going to interpret what article she was talking about. Well, if the fire stick would have rewinded more cleanly, I would have got it faster. And it might have gotten some but the irony is the Amazon's own product prevented me from getting it up faster than the Amazon account put it out. And those assholes know what they're doing. They're like they celebrate on the sideline knowing that everyone would take it and be like that's not you know, it was a weird it was a weird interaction.
Yeah, it was fun. Grant build your perfect NFL head coach from scratch. You know, to Bart's point, a lot of coaches in the NBA, a lot of people who run front offices went to D three schools and started in D three and you know who wrote a story about great book on that. Danny Parkins pipeline to the pros available on Amazon or wherever you get your books that that idea is pervasive and basketball but for whatever reason isn't so much in football. Yeah, and I don't know why.
It's weird. And baseball's baseball's its own other weird thing I don't even know like, if your lifelong dream was to manage a Major League Baseball team how the fuck would you even go about that, how would what would you even do tomorrow if you're like today I begin my quest to become an MLB manager, what would you even do like football I get it, you try to get an internship you try to get a quality control job is anything you just need to get your foot in the door and go from there baseball I don't even. Yeah, that's the that's the least understandable coaching or management position that you can find. Yeah, but like you do, you do never see the Lance Leipold, whether him actually or anyone like him where it's like, yeah, this new guys that you know 50 years old he's just hitting the NFL for the first time, he brought D three school near whether it's whitewater someone else to like a decade of success and then he went to a bigger school and now he's in the NFL it just doesn't happen, like, it is very odd. And in fact, it really is a bunch of guys whose dads were in the NFL, or guys who just broke into like it's or like they knew Sean McVeigh, or they knew Shanahan like if you didn't have a dad who was in the NFL or an NFL head coach, and you didn't know McVeigh or Shanahan Are you really working right now, I guess, it's not a little bit of a crazy statement but not all that far fetched they are all connected from the same tree. Yeah, I'm looking at the list of NFL head coaches and I don't know that there's a single one that even begins to come close to what Bart is describing. I don't, I don't think there is I think right now you just take your, your best shot at an offensive coordinator that you also think can do the other things like I think that's what you have to do in 2024. The Lions offensive coordinator his name is Ben Johnson.
Yes, allegedly. So, where was he six years ago, can you can someone look him up and just like what he was brought in I think he was part of Patricia staff I think he's a holdover but let me I'll look up the rest. So I mean like what was he so he's like 36 right he's a young guy. Well, you know, you know how old he is but you didn't know whether or not he was the Lions offensive coordinator, he's like a guy like a little bit younger than you and you're like, Oh, yeah, what have I done with my life, you know, but so I do, I'm more familiar like with his age than I guess with his graduate assistant at Boston College, offensive assistant for the dolphins quality control for the Lions promoted to tight ends retained when Dan Campbell got there, then pass game coordinator after Anthony Lynn last play calling duties, and then promoted to OC, the following offseason.
So that's actually not a terrible like two parts, if you could build the product that's. That's about as close as it comes in the NFL, isn't it. But he still started at a college none of these guys start me started a D one college. So where, how did he, I mean, what was his what was his first. What was the name of his first role grant is exact title is graduate assistant, I bet a lot of guys started grad assistant positions. Okay.
Yeah. So it was probably at the school that he went to the college. That's a good question he would know he University of North Carolina. We got all these guys that are hired because of their friends as somebody but how many, how many Eric tailors are out there. Oh, Eric Taylor would fucking be so good at this. How many, how many guys are coaching the Dylan.
Dylan Panthers to undefeated seasons. I gotta go back and watch grand you know what we're talking about. Friday night lights I believe. Have you watched it. No, we watched two seasons I don't think we finished it. Well, season two was the writers strike season Robinson. They killed a guy they killed a guy once they killed Landry Landry Landry killed a guy.
Yeah, that was the writers strike year where. Yeah, well no it was so good you should go back and finish it it's a wonderful show. All right, do one more quickie. Well, no, I was gonna, I wanted to maybe build up that a little bit more. I don't want to say another second about coaches it's all I've talked about this week. Now, wait, you babble for a couple minutes and I'll save everything else because I know you got you got the poops. I pick up my kid but before I pick up my kid I would like to use the restroom and post this Yes, I also have, it's the first thing I'm also going to do and we're done with this let the record show I don't have to be done at a given time but that it that will be the next thing I do with my day today.
How about we give a few words to the Milwaukee Brewers and their success. He is daunted by the task. He is daunted by the task. Where's grant going to grab something.
He's going to be going for the poops. I'm glad he was. No. Do we have any thoughts on the Brewers. The Brewers team MVP this year has been Is it. Unless you want to say it's like Pat Murphy or some shit, I was gonna, I mean I was gonna say Pat Murphy but that was gonna be a cheap, I was just gonna be like a cheap out to a much more different grant who is the Brewers MVP this year, in your mind, is it obvious. I think Adamas had yellow trim and healthy and played that way all year would have been yellow. Oh yeah, for sure.
I think yellow. Okay, here's, here's what I view, because they do in baseball they do a l&l MVP right, which they shouldn't anymore. All right, national radio guys save that for your. I've used it.
I know and I know you will again. Here's how I view it. The specific first half MVP Christian yellow, the specific second half MVP Jackson churrio, the overarching MVP through it all, Willie Adamas, that's how I that's how I would frame it and I think that describes everyone's contributions pretty, pretty, and then like the second place overall MVP would be William Contreras. Yeah. Would yell it still finished top three top five, despite all the time obviously missed at the end. Probably not but that's because they have other good players like Contreras is really good and Adamas is really good if those two both had dumpy years like if Adamas followed up this year with what he did last year then sure, but it but no I, I don't think with the way that his season ended missing all that time I just have better options it's not an anti yellowish thing they just have a lot of good players. So who's your top five.
I guess it would be a DOM in no particular order. Okay, Adamas Contreras churrio yelich. Ray Corey Ray. Wow.
Yeah, I didn't see much of it. Where is Corey Ray. Where is Corey Ray. I don't think who wants to know. No one's in baseball. Oh my god you guys you won't believe this. What. Wow. Now you really believe this. Who wants to know. Oh wow I knew he wasn't playing but I didn't.
Damn. So first of all, what you won't believe is he's 29 years old. Okay, I'm really worried about what he's up to right now. Now I'm like, I'm like, Corey Ray is the manager. Of the Arizona Complex League Chicago Cubs.
Rookie ball. Oh, wow. He is the rookie ball manager of the Cubs. Interesting.
Interesting. Pretty soon Kestin here will be the manager of the Iowa Cubs, and they'll have our South Bend Cubs or whatever that. Council ain't letting that happen. That's true, not in his organization god damn it.
When you when what the way you were setting that up I was like, like more like worried about what he was going to be like oh, we should have the cubs. Okay, he's eating ice cream with the enemy. Yeah.
All right. I loved councils presser yesterday, that's that's the happiest I've been watching a press conference clip in a long time, that was just the icing. Well, you know what pisses me off about that. And I understand he's not there anymore in Milwaukee, but he goes, he said, they've been doing that the last two years, really the last two years he did say that. Yeah, they were there last year dumb fuck. You know, he could say like, we did it they've been continuing to do.
And that that either tells me that he's fully in with the Cubs know what it tells me is he was checked out he was not there last year he was there. He was there like I am I show up every night but I'm fucking in bed. This was fun.
You've seen sunshine. I will talk to you both soon. Yeah, you making a poops.
Are we all going to go to bathroom, by the way, there's no there's no chance there will come a point where like saying something like that won't be funny there's no age I will reach where that's not just a funny thing to say, are the three of us are all going to be on a toilet at the same time. Yeah, let's text each other. All right.
Picture of team shit. Let's go. Bye, guys. Thanks.
Bye, Paul. Grant thanks to you. Thank you, Bart. I love doing this on Friday, by the way, the burden that normally sits on my shoulders during this podcast.
I guess a similar burden still remains but it I'm okay with just ignoring it because it's Friday afternoon will never miss a Friday show. You're done right. Thank you for the time. Have a great weekend Bart. You too and happy weekend to everybody. We'll talk again.
