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Welcome into the Winklerverse. We're stalwarts of the verse. Grant Bills and Paul Imig are here today for this week's edition of You Can Check Us Out, Spotify, Apple, I believe Odyssey as well, the greatest app of all time.
And the Dan Cheney YouTube stream. So this is a light week for the pod. You're like, every week's a light week?
No, no. Last week we did three episodes. Most week I still do two. This week's a little busy.
Paul, you are muted. Okay. I knew it when I said it, but these are called two a week, not two a days.
That's a good brand name. Two a days. Two a weeks.
Two a weeks. My thanks to Rich Gannon who was on the Infinity Sportsnet show last night. I heard it.
I heard that was good. My thanks to Paul Allen who I talked to for the 17th time in my life. And the best thing about talking to Paul is he always thinks it's the first. Well, you get to make a new friend every time you have him on. He's my personal 51st dates. Did you tell him?
No. Like, hey, you also gave me a chip at a Vegas casino one time. Yeah, I was the awkward encounter you had at the link.
So much mileage out of that story, by the way, the Las Vegas casino chip. You should go to Canterbury Park and just introduce yourself and see if the same exact thing happens. Well, it's nice to meet you. I'm getting a lot of mileage. I brought the call center stuff back this week. I always think of you when I do that.
But no, just the one episode this week because it's been a busy week. I had to get situated. I am coaching my kids soccer. So he's going to play games. Five of the kids are like his buddies from daycare. And then there's like three other randos that I got to assimilate. So that'll be fun.
That's on Saturday mornings, which is going to be brutal. You have to coach them assimilates an odd. Well, I guess you're going to assimilate them into the group. There's already a group.
I'm with you, Bart. Yeah, I know what you're saying. So I the goal is I just want these kids to figure out if they like soccer or not. And it's on you to make sure it happens.
And it's going to be on YouTube because I'm going to stream the games. See if you can do the impossible. Make people like soccer. Oh, still cranking out the oh, it was like a purposeful, like, you know, also, I like I played soccer growing up. Who didn't? Grant, I played. I love soccer. You don't run.
You're out in the breeze. I playing soccer is great. Watching is not my favorite, but I won't I won't I won't. I'll just go into versions on anyone that does like watching it.
That's nice for you if that's your thing. The tried and true and overplayed to the point of where it's now parody soccer like jabs. Well, again, I'll make my soccer point is that when your kid does a sport, you've already seen that sport played at the highest level. When your kid plays football, you know football. When your kid plays baseball, you've seen baseball. Same with hoops. A lot of people their first like watching of soccer is seven year olds chasing butterflies and they think this is really dumb.
And it is. But if you watch it at the highest level, then then you can understand it, but he is a he's graduating daycare on Friday. And when I say graduate, I mean, they are going to make him walk with the cap and gown diploma and just thinking about it is very emotional. Why are they doing?
Why are they doing that to us? What was the what are you making? Making kids do grown up things is instant like like you ever see a kid in a suit at a wedding. You're like, holy shit, this kid is fucked up. I can't.
I'm watching Garrett Mitchell hitting the cleanup spot today. Makes me want to cry. So. We were different life stages.
Yeah, different life stages. All right. With that said, Paul, I'm a master. Take it away. Master. Yeah.
Master. All right. I have a new game I'm going to play in a little bit, but I'm going to start with our traditional. And it's inspired by a new game, a new a new spin off.
But I want to start with. And it's inspired by a tweet that I saw today. Justin Tucker Ravens kicker was coming onto the field. Justin, you know, the practice field in Green Bay. Justin Tucker is great.
The Packers kick kicking situation is terrible. Someone had, you know, quote tweeted in addition to the picture of Justin Tucker or the video of Justin Tucker on the field thing. And now don't let him leave.
So as we do, we are going to leave. We this was it. I forget it was I didn't get to save it, but I imagine if Gooty was like either one up in the office trying to figure out ways to trade for Justin Tucker. All right. So, yeah, or two, they actually captured Justin Tucker either way.
So you're you're in the spirit of what I'm thinking because we play hypotheticals that oftentimes are just for the fun of the discussion. Justin Tucker. Great. Packers. Kicking situation. Terrible. Can I just answer the question?
Go ahead. Second round pick. That was going to be that was going to be the that was it.
You would trade a set of twenty twenty five second round pick. That is it. That was it.
That was the that was the number. Second round pick. Yep.
Grand. Not a chance. Because this is going to get this could get next year is actually a good kicking class. So Grant could take a go because this team is not going to win or lose playoff games this year because of a kicker. I don't think they last year. I don't think they did last year. Jordan Love threw two picks. The offense had the ball a couple of times, like. No.
Second round. I love the topic, by the way. Like, I love the topic. What would you give up to have the best kicker in the it's a it's a great topic. I wish I had more to give you other than no, I would not do that. Well, let me ask you this, though, boys. Do you think the Ravens would say, yes, I do not?
No, I don't. They would say they would say you want to you're going to give us a second round pick for the best kicker in league. What do you think they would like? Would it I think it'd be a second and a next year second. I don't even think they do that then. I don't think they would. I don't think they would.
I don't think they would. I think if you guys are becoming they're so stupid. It's such a dumb position.
But if you have a good one, you need to keep them. So, Grant, actually, Grant's already out on that. So wait, let me first answer Grant. Fourth round or grand.
Well, now now now the question becomes a little it lands differently for me. It's you could have Justin Tucker on your team this year and like that's that's cool. That's cool. And for only a fourth round pick, I might do it because it's cool for a fourth round pick third. I mean, I mean, well, is it is it weird now that I'm like, I'm on the edge to be like, fuck it, do a first. Is it stupid that I would do a fourth and maybe a third, but a second is too much like that is dumb. I wouldn't trade a first. I need first.
You just can't justify it. All right. So this is going to play into my game. My upcoming game. Lucas Van Ness for Justin Tucker or no. Kristen Watson for Justin Tucker or no.
Jane Reed. No. Justin Tucker.
I guess we can stop there. I didn't know, like, so now you can start to say, OK, like late first round pick, mid to late second round pick. You know, you're talking about assets that we know.
Right now, you know, you're to get rid of something that you don't know. Right. OK, so what you really don't know yet, Jordan Morgan, you don't really know him yet. He's your starting guard, presumably Jordan Morgan for Justin Tucker. I'd have to say no.
Edgeron Cooper or Javon Bullard. Is your second round picked for 2024 just to refresh? No, no, it's fun.
We already invested. I mean, it's fun once you're like saying, oh, OK, like so. But but I still would if the Packers if it was announced that the Packers traded next year's second, if it was announced that they traded any of those guys for Justin Tucker, I'd be like, well, that's weird. It'd be weird. I'd be happy to have Justin Tucker.
I'll get me wrong. I mean, Justin Tucker would presumably have a bigger impact on the twenty twenty four season than Lucas Van Ness. Right. No. Well, then we do the top five most impactful kicker players the other day. And two of us said Anders Karlsson. I did. Did you did you land there? Who's going to make the most impact on the twenty twenty four Packers?
Well, the most any love. Yeah. I don't think you did say that. But maybe you've since I don't remember us saying Carlson could be wrong. I hope I didn't.
That'd be stupid. You guys. That's one thing, you know, difference of opinion. But I brought it up. But so you would say that regardless of what was said a couple of weeks ago, you would say Anders Karlsson is a top five most important pack of the season part. I would say, yeah, because he's bad and needs to be good.
And there's going to be a lot of chances that come down to him. All right. So this leads into this idea of like a future draft pick versus the reality of a guy, you know, I made up a new game all on my own. It's called Call or Fold. This is my buy or sell segment that I that's what I'm doing on the show.
Grant doesn't listen every day like you psycho. I try to get to it. I'm a good friend. So call or fall. But the thing with color fold because it's buy or sell. OK. But if there's something I really like, I can raise. And if there's something I really hate, I can just leave the table. So it's call or fold or leave the table or raise, which we will do right after these messages. Oh, shit.
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You need Indeed. All right, Paul's got a new game for us. This is very exciting, but it sounds like it's the game he's ripping off my Infinity Sports Network show, which I have noticed a trend. I get better as the week goes on. My Monday shows are ass.
I think you've identified the reason. Well, but but it's hard. It's hard because I'd live like a weekend.
Yeah. And now it's Sunday night with football. Barty, you're going to do some drinking, as you've said in the past.
Barty, Barty, like Barty, like drinking. All right. My original game, raise, call, fold or leave the table. And it plays into what we were talking about with Justin Tucker for a second or whatever the case would be. And I am going to read you a Packers recent draft pick and you're going to call or fold. Essentially, what I want you to do is this player leaves the team. So we're going to start with we're going to the twenty twenty four class.
We don't know anything. We'll start with twenty twenty three. And I'm going to say like Lucas Van Ness. He was a 13th overall pick. You can either keep Lucas Van Ness or you can get a twenty twenty five, 13th overall pick.
Right. You don't get this past draft to the next draft. You can have the 13th pick.
Wow. Or you can have Lucas Van Ness. You can have Luke Musgrave or you can have the 42nd pick. You can have Jayden Reed or the 50th pick. Thundercraft or the 78th pick.
So let's just go through that. Lucas Van Ness call or fold call being I'm keeping Lucas Van Ness fold or leaving the table or whatever. Maybe leaving the table is I'm running so fast to take the 13th overall pick in twenty twenty five. Lucas Van Ness be damned. So the player leaves the team right now. You know, I know this is hypothetical. It's stupid.
It's fun, hopefully. Lucas Van Ness or the 13th pick in the twenty twenty five NFL draft. I'll tell you, if I was if I was not a Packer fan, I'd probably take the pick. Yeah. Are we too close on this one?
We might be too close because now I'm like invested in making it work. Yeah. I'm going to keep Lucas Van Ness.
Wow. If you're keeping Lucas Van Ness over the 13th pick, you might be keeping like damn near everybody. I'm worried I may.
So I'm going to I'm good. Is that is that the good old SCF, the sunk cost fallacy? You're sunk into Lucas Van Ness. I like Lucas Van Ness. The 13th overall pick is extremely.
But if he's on the Rashan Gary path, we'll look at Rashan Gary. I know. I'm definitely not like running away from the table.
I'm definitely also not raising. Right. I call this is a fluctuating one. Right.
Yeah. If there was a double raise, I might bow out. Grant, I would call because I think if the Packers were to get the 13th pick in next year's draft, they would just draft another Lucas Van Ness or Rashan Gary. And we'd start this God forsaken three or four year development plan all over.
You're not wrong. So we already have a year into him. I think he's going to be really good this year. So I'll take Lucas Van Ness going into his second year for this Super Bowl window team rather than starting over with probably another really, really, really tools. The big picture prospect.
Totally fair. For what it's worth this year's 13th overall pick. Brock Bowers.
Interesting. You can trade Lucas Van Ness for Brock Bowers right now. Oh, wait. I thought you meant like a draft that hasn't happened yet. Oh, OK. Now I'm just trying to make it real. So like, let's say Brock Bowers was in the he was the 13th. I'd rather have Brock Bowers.
See, now it makes a trade because now you're putting a real face. You're not just saying, oh, this hypothetical future asset. I don't think I know. I don't think any first round tight end has got a contract in the last 10 years.
Maybe because it's silly because Musgrave and Kraft are a terrific young. So much good craft buzz today at camp. I don't know if you guys are reading tweets, but a lot of craft buzz. Nice. So wait. So just just for curiosity, Brock Bowers for Van Ness. Yes.
What do you think? Don't take Van Ness. Interesting.
All right. And we can we don't have to go exhaustively through this, but I'm going to go three in a row or three in a row because I think the answers would be you'd keep. So Musgrave or the forty second pick read or the fiftieth pick craft or the seventy eighth pick.
Call or fold. I think I would call, call, call. They would. They had an awesome draft last year.
They did. This would be I don't think I would call on every single pick of every Packers draft ever. But last year's draft, for example, is I think we all believe is excellent. Anders Karlsson or the two hundred and seventh pick. I would just pass.
I would say I don't want either. He's given up the sixth and how long do we ride out? Like, honestly, how long do we ride out a month? A month. This this season, a month, one more month. They've got the the development, the over.
What do they call this new program? They brought in a kicker yesterday. Yeah, they had an it's an international program and the guy they cut. Forgive me. I don't know his name, but I really liked him.
I did. Does anyone else, by the way, with the with what they did with the international player pathway rule, this doesn't seem up to anyone else. They got rid of a guy who's from Africa, I believe, and replaced him with a kicker from Australia. I feel like that goes against the spirit of what this rule is trying to do. So they're like using the rule to have an extra like competitive roster spot instead of get a guy a chance. Well, it'll be a development. It'll be a developmental spot. It's just like that program seems to me like it's establishing pathways for players where, oh, yeah, this is so the Packers can have another kicker in camp from Australia. Like there's football in Australia. You know what I mean? They're not growing the game by holding onto a kicker from Australia, particularly.
Yeah, it's it's a I mean, they're gaming the system, I think. Yeah, that's fine. You can't see all these guys that you brought up and like Lucas Van Ness if we're talking about him. There's development there. You want him to develop. And even with like a quarterback, you're developing Jordan Love.
And last year you were developing him along with the receivers. Mm hmm. I just think if there's any position now where it's just like, fuck it, I'll just grab one of these 30 year old Joey slides off the market and he can kick for me for eight months and then I'll get another guy like. Why? Why not?
Why do anything different? Why develop a kicker? Are you out there looking for the next Justin Tucker?
That that's so that's stupid. Like there's like two kickers that are like really great. Then you would who you wouldn't trade a second round pick for. And there's a lot that are like I mean, I don't know where who are some of these guys, Matt Prater and just guys that McLaughlin I think is one just guys that like bounce around and you never know where they are.
Greg Joseph. Yeah. To develop a kicker just seems like a backwards ass way of thinking.
Like the what what the the reward. So you're going to you're going to develop a guy over a year, even a year when they were really wasting. You're wasting us. It's just dumb. It's just dumb. If there was a year to move on from Mason Crosby, was last year not the perfect year to do it?
It was. Crosby should have been out here three fucking years ago. OK, so OK, we can disagree on kicker.
But the people who are like bring it, we should stop Crosby. He's fucking old. Like, no, we're number twenty. We're number twenty fucking one last year with the Giants. Yeah. And I think that's a serious kicker.
The Rams for a while, too, wasn't it? Although he was, you know, where he just was. He was at the Steve forward. Madison brought him in. Yeah. Oh, what's a Madison? What's a Mason Crosby appearance fee?
I don't know. Apparently, John Coons going for like 20 K. So. Yeah. OK, Quay Walker or you think like trickle down economics would work, but now would not. Not with John Coon. Now with John Coon, Quay Walker or the. Oh, I threw it, dude. You know, that brochure I wore MKE the forward for. Sure, I got to toss it. I saw John Coon where yesterday I got rid of it. Look, he he wants to make an enemy out of me.
I'll make an enemy out of him. Grant, your thoughts on Quay Walker, Quay Walker or John or 2010 John Coon, I would take 2010 John Coon on this team in a heartbeat. I'll give you some examples of guys who went. If you watch out of his against the Seahawks, did you like the best in the championship game? Was the one where he got stopped or was it the one where he tripped? Was it the one where he didn't score? Why is Paul the one? Why is Paul the one covering his screen?
I just like to mess with fire when he starts to go on his tangents. Quay Walker or what pick was he? Twenty two. Here are some guys who went around that pick this year. So Quinion Mitchell Corner Toledo went twenty two. Brian Thomas Jr.
The receiver who went to Jacksonville and then Terry and Arnold, the corner who went to Detroit. That's twenty two. Twenty three.
Twenty four. Quay Walker. You'd call or fold. See the thing and maybe I'm going against the spirit of your game, but the Packers have a Super Bowl window the way I see it. Like starting this year, maybe for another two years. I'm going against the spirit.
OK, so I'm going against the spirit. If we're just talking pound for pound, I think they could do. They could get a better player at that pick. Like asking this player you believe is going to live up to or has lived up to lived up to that spot. And that you're better off trading it in for a different chance, a better odds at maybe getting another chance at it. Or you're keeping the player and saying, yeah, he's lived up to or I believe is going to live up to that draft position. Then I would then I would think of it to like literally in terms of like, well, we need we need this player. OK, no, no, no.
So, OK, so I see what you mean. I think you could do better at that pick than Quay Walker. I think there's a chance that if like Edron Cooper's good this year, Quay Walker is responsible for less.
He's got a better running mate and he's actually pretty awesome. Right. But then maybe that's the problem with inside linebackers is they're kind of relying on the guy next to him to split responsibilities.
And yeah, you know, but I think they could do better at the pick. So to answer, I think your question along the spirit in which it was asked, I would I would fold. Yeah. I mean, I came up with a silly way to approach it just because of Bart's new game that is all for one so far in terms of his equipment not failing him midway through the game. So hopefully that's not a we tried our segment and I got kicked off the air twice on Tuesday. To the point where while he was replaying an interview that I did from three weeks ago, I was recording a segment to play for the next segment. So I could have just deuced out of there, but I was recording segments that then he would then play live.
And so but then the buy or sell part is by his his his intros are like two minutes. And I just shit. That was funny. I mean, if you hadn't called it out, I would have been texting.
You'd be like, hey, let your guy know he's got to cut these down a little bit. But isn't that isn't that the fun? Carlos on the show has been awesome. Awesome. Yes. I think two minute intros are great. The more fun sound effects and references, the better for intros at least. Maybe not for for, you know, it was like it was like a setup. But if I just gave every detail, are you talking about show intros?
I think they should be at least seven minutes. Well, no, I was talking about show intros. I didn't know Carlos explaining the rules. OK, that's different.
No, not the rules, but like the setup to the question. So like if I was to say Quay Walker or the twenty second overall pick, Quay Walker, of course, was born on September 9th, 2003. He he went to elementary school. I mean, whatever. But it was there.
He developed his love for football. Right. It was like it was as if you were doing like the biography of like. But in all sincerity. Yeah. Carlos, if you're listening, Paul, your hot pockets done. You've been great. It does sound like that. I've not listened to your Wednesday night show too much yet, but I'm looking for the part where the call out of it says, why did lean pockets get discontinued? Like that's on the description of the of the hours episode.
It's really hard for me. Like I understand. I like.
I've been on the radio for a while now. Right. I think. Yeah, I think so.
But there's still like some. But I feel like I have you know, I have I have the bits. I have the hits. Yeah, but it's and I have a Hot Pockets. I have a like I can do like, hey, do your Hot Pockets thing. I got I got five minutes on.
You've got material. But when I do it, even if it's for the first time on the show, because this is a completely different audience. But I always feel like I've already done it.
Yeah. Let that go. Because I because every everything I've ever done, I've already I don't I don't know what I haven't hit yet.
Besides eating wings on a toilet. Have you not? I know. Did you allude to it? You did at some point it like maybe I alluded to it. Some of your early some of your early, early work with Chuck. You made him really upset. So maybe maybe you've changed your opinion on some of these things.
But one, a couple that I remember, one was that you would run on the field to like grab the baseball or the football or like you would get arrested and you would make a scene of it if it helped your team. Yeah. And he was done that. I don't think you've done that yet.
So you have you can have that one ready. By the way, that was one of like the early like Chuck being so disappointed. Grant, I don't know. You probably were in high school and that take happened. But Chuck is on the other end of this thing just going, Bart, you can't you don't mean this.
You wouldn't do that. Yeah. And I got him disappointed. It was like disappointed in Bart Chuck, like the who just was like it wasn't mad. It wasn't angry. It wasn't it wasn't also disappointment. It was like a just bewilderment of why.
Also, like this is my partner. God fuck. But I think I did this two nights ago. I did my Bobby Knight has had a negative impact on the coaching profession. So you say I heard you do it on the national show, but I don't think I ever heard you do that one locally. I've done that one. Have you gone into your Babe Ruth thing yet? Yeah, you have. I've kind of changed my Babe Ruth.
I knew there was a couple that you've you've evolved with. I've changed my tone on Babe Ruth, as if we've been commenting on his career in real time. It's like, well, actually, you know, last couple of years, like with Brady, I just got new information. Yeah, yeah. I think there's a lot more than the Babe Ruth story than we know.
Let's just do a couple more of these just for fun. Basically, you're saying like this players lived up to my expectations or I would trade it in. If you took Babe Ruth, if you just went in time and said, hey, Babe Ruth, get in the time machine, go hit fifth. He'd be mad stares. That I still agree with.
Yeah. But if you took Babe Ruth and we're like gave him the same resources, then he'd be good. Devontae Wyatt. Just like if you took Garrett Mitchell and took him back to the 1920s. He'd still probably strike out four times in a game. I wish you would have said that in a couple minutes because I have a transition pivot topic.
You want to do a couple more? Devontae Wyatt, 28th overall, obviously sell, right? Leave the table. Devontae Wyatt.
Okay. I might fold on that, but let's not act like they haven't gotten way worse players with the 28th overall pick. I think like Derek Sherrod was like 30th.
Yeah, yeah. You know, Clinton Dix was probably not the best example. Eric Stokes, 29th overall pick. Like there's a good chance that Devontae Wyatt is a really nice rotational defensive lineman this year and makes plays not every week, but has some big place throughout the year. And for a 28th overall pick, I don't think that's bad.
I think you could go either way on this one and I would be fine with it. The only thing I would say is remember they drafted him old. He was already 24. So I already kind of came into that being like he better produce pretty quickly because this is not like this isn't like drafting where Sean Gary or Lucas Van Ness. Kenny Clark is probably the best example of that. Much better example.
Thank you. The 20th overall pick this year was Xavier Worthy. So, you know, yeah, I would trade Devontae Wyatt for Xavier Worthy. We haven't seen Xavier Worthy play a snap of NFL football. I know that. I know that. Okay, but you may sound like, wow, like Xavier Worthy.
The prospect of two years ago, Devontae Wyatt, the prospect of present day Xavier Worthy, like which one has like the higher, you know, up chart trajectory is the word I'm looking for. Yeah. All right.
We can move on. He's an interesting one, though. That's a close one. There's a good, I think, interesting discussion to be had about the 28th overall pick and all of the different outcomes that the Packers have had. Because that's somewhere they've picked a lot over the years. So, like, that's a pick that we have a lot of reference for. And just on that note, like I said, Stokes, 29. Randall was close to there back in the day. D'Arnell Savage was close. Demarius Randall. Josh Jackson, 45th. Kevin King, 33rd. Josh Jones, 61st. Your boy, Jason Spriggs, 48th. Randall was 30th. Clinton Dix, 21st. Daytone Jones, 26th. I was going to say Jones was close to there somewhere.
Daytone. All right. We can move on. I was not nearly as alarmed at the Packers horrific preseason game in Denver. Salacious journalism about how bad the team was. Having said that, their two backup quarterbacks behind Jordan Love.
Not great. The Packers are at the early, early stage of their window. This is a legit Packers team. Ryan Tannehill is available. Speaking of Chuck Freeman, this was always a Chuck thing. You need an established veteran backup quarterback. I think Chuck had a Brian Hoyer jersey ready to go. And that was always his go-to at that time. And there are teams, the Packers are one of them, where I don't want them to necessarily give up on the two backup quarterbacks.
But also, they were pretty stinky in Denver. The Packers should pick up the phone and call Ryan Tannehill. Or at least get him in queue where you're like, hey, we're not signing you. But in the event something in the next four months were to happen to Jordan, we're not actually going to put Clifford in the game. We're going to call you, Mr. Tannehill, and we're going to bring you in and we're going to give you $4 million. You don't want to bring him in because you want the backups to keep getting the reps and whatever. But you're queuing him up. You would do that. Well, like how Joe Flacco came back last year.
That was my example in my head when I was playing. But they didn't have him there until they needed him. Right. That's what I'm saying.
You don't bring him in now, but you know you're in your heart of hearts. I think what the Packers want to do with this backup quarterback spot is develop a guy. And I still think it's valuable to have a good backup quarterback. I mean, we saw Mike McCarthy's face dropped.
And I don't think it's ever really been the same. Same with Robert Sala. When Rodgers went out for both of them, the look on their face was, I mean, it scarred them. The Joe Flacco thing, I brought this up last night again, the comeback player of the year.
And I obviously I think it should be Damar Hamlin because he died. Yeah. And Joe Flacco came off his couch.
And I had a guy call up and he goes, Bart. OK, Damar Hamlin, he had two tackles. Fine. He died. Joe Flacco was on his couch.
He says it with the inflection that I say the other way. Interesting. Like, OK, fine.
Joe Flacco was on his couch. That's crazy. Damar Hamlin died like the way I feel about it. He feels the complete opposite. And I just pointed out how weird that was because that's the one that I've gotten a lot of. And I did this back in January when it happened in February. That's the one where I get a lot of like, you know, usually I agree with you.
But this one like this is a bridge too far. You thinking a zombie should win comeback player of the year. It's like, well, yeah, motherfucker died. I saw him die.
I thought they were going to cancel the season. He came back and played. He came back and didn't just like live a life. He played. He had a fake punt in the playoffs. I don't care that he had won. Yeah, he had a fake punt in a playoff game. It's a regular season award.
Can't count that play. I don't know. I would feel better about the Packers overall if Ryan Tannehill was the backup quarterback.
Yeah, that's the question, isn't it? Yeah, I would feel better about that. I can understand, though, maybe wanting to have your guy. The risk is you're not going to need him. And the other question is, if Jordan Love goes down, are you a backup quarterback savior away from the Super Bowl? If Jordan Love goes down, you're probably not going to win the Super Bowl. Joe Burrow went down and Jake Browning went five and four.
But I would say, what would happen- It's like going four and one. Neither of those guys are winning the Super Bowl. Play out the scenario, though, where Jordan Love, knock on whatever, gets hurt in early November. But he's definitely going to be back in mid-December. So he's going to be out for six weeks. So if you make the Super Bowl, Jordan Love's away recovered.
He's been back for two months, right? But you need to not go two and five in those seven weeks. Now Rogers came back, they beat the Bears, and then they didn't- In a very fluky, like they were nine and eight- Eight and seven and one. Eight and seven and one, thank you. So again, you can't use that as like the rule.
That was an exception and that was very odd. So like I would almost say, again, we play a hypothetical game with things that wouldn't really happen. I would give Ryan Tannehill $5 million to sign with me. Off the record, you're at home. I don't want to hear from you. Here's the playbook. Just do your thing.
Live your life. But I wouldn't- You're going to- Hold on. You want him to work from home. We're going to pay him $5 million to do remote work. How are you going to get that one past the transaction wire, Paul? But again, this is just the game we play, right?
Just for fun. But what I wouldn't want to have happen is like some team in week seven is going to get- A legitimate team is going to get their quarterback hurt in week seven. And then another team is going to have their quarterback hurt in week eight. But the team who got their starting quarterback get hurt first is going to be first in line to get the Ryan Tannehill, the Joe Flacco.
Do you know what I'm saying? So if the injury to the quarterback is going to happen, you're better having it happen early so you can get the Flacco, so you can get the Tannehill. Now, I know Flacco is not available anymore, but just to use last year's example. So it's like, hey, you're a backup quarterback. Just don't tell anyone. We're in line. We're first in line. We're going to pay a fee so that we get dibs. A retainer.
A retainer. You did a good job. Thank you, Grant. Grant, any thoughts on this that you would- I'll take Bart's example. You would feel better about the Packers if they had Tannehill as a backup. Mm-hmm.
Or mm-mm. But it's like I feel better about my house when my lawn's mowed than when it's not mowed. Nice to have. But if it's not mowed, I'm like, I don't give a fuck. I'll mow it later.
Sure. You're better with it, but you're not- But the margin of feeling better is so small. Well, you need to take more pride in your lawn then. I think I would- Oh, I edged today. I edged. You edged.
That's big. It was. And the first time I edged, it was really hard. And then this time I edged, it was a lot simpler. So I don't know if the grass was used to the edge or if I just- I think I fucked up edging the first time. It was my first time using it. And I tried to put it in a lawn bag and they wouldn't accept it because it was too heavy. So then I had to go down to this village place and pay 12 bucks. I did the smart thing now. I'm just filling it in a garbage can.
And all of the garbage that I don't want my village to take, I just dump in the dumpsters at work. I just like that Blink 182 wrote a song about your experience. They did. Edging. Edging. Thank you. You knew what I was doing. Grant may not know, but- It's a Blink 182 song.
You ain't that cool little fuck. Isn't it a newer one? Yeah, it's from this, yeah.
Yeah, we play it. How do we feel about a Happy Gilmore 2 remake? I'm nervous.
Very nervous. Zoolander, I loved Zoolander. Zoolander 2 was garbage. Anchorman 2 was no good. I didn't- Dumb and Dumber sequels were no good. Zoolander 2 should have never happened. Dumb and Dumber sequels should have never happened.
They can't bring the guys back 30 years later when it's clearly like their bodies are larger. Yeah. Yeah. The Anchorman 1 wasn't to the point where I was like, oh, I wish they hadn't done this.
Some of them, Zoolander, Dumb and Dumber are where it spoils the first one a little. I'm nervous. All right. Anyway, Grant, Paul asked the question about who was it, Drew Holiday or some shit? My answer was going to be if I had four hours of sports talk to Phil, I would kill an hour with this, but that's not what this is.
Honestly, I don't give a shit. Sean Clifford's fine. If Jordan Love gets hurt, whatever.
But if Jordan Love goes down for an extended period of time, they'll probably call someone and get him off their couch. It'll be fine. All right. So I'm going to end with one that will get Grant excited. Major League Baseball, and Grant, I know your answer, but I want you to expound, please. Okay. Major League Baseball is a better product than the NBA. Mm-hmm or mm-mm.
And I'm loosely paraphrasing you from something, and just to let everyone know, I'm loosely paraphrasing Grant from a text. I, of course, am strongly mm-mm. I get tired of the NBA. It has its things that drive me nuts.
There's a lot of narrative and bad media behavior and just dumb shit, but I love it. But, Grant, Major League Baseball is a better product than the NBA or mm-mm. Mm-hmm. Every game matters. The good players play almost every day. Tickets are cheaper. It's more fun to go.
The money is reasonable. Every game matters. That's the one I'm most curious about, the every game matters part. Every game matters to the standings.
Every single one. The NBA, it's like, well, we're all going to make the playoffs anyway, so who cares? That's true. That part I agree with. More teams make the playoffs in baseball now, but tell that to a Reds fan or a Pirates fan. You know what I mean?
Yeah. They can't buy a playoff burst. So Brewers fans, yeah, maybe we've taken it for granted a little bit. I just, for whatever reason, this is what I texted you the other night, Paul.
I come home after work every night. There's a Brewer game on. I have no problem watching it. Like, yeah, sometimes, you know, like I got to stop at the store or whatever, so I'll listen on my phone, but my God, sometimes in the winter when I come home, it's like, I got to watch the Bucks play.
And this guy's not playing because there's an injury and it doesn't even look like they're trying that hard. And then the result of the game, we're going to have to have conversations of whether it matters or not. So why am I even watching?
But if I don't watch that, I don't know what's going on. Yeah, I baseball is a better product, but I'm the one who I think inspired this topic for you. Well, and I think so I would challenge that the every game matters when you can play 162 and then it comes down to a game and then you have to go back and say, yeah, man, if only not for that random Tuesday in July, whatever it would be, but like, well, that was the game.
Oh, no, that was the game. And when I was more obsessive with the Brewers than what I currently am, like what I'm struggling with, I think is what Bart is struggling with, which is I either want to be all in on the thing that I enjoy. I want to kind of know all the ins and outs, but then once you kind of fall out for two weeks, then you follow up for a month and then you follow up for five weeks. I find it difficult with Major League Baseball to check in because that one game that you're randomly tuning into that you have time for that fits into your schedule, whatever it's like, like, is this representative of the thing? Is this a good example of like, can I can I catch up by watching this one game? Will this help tell the story of the past three weeks that I missed? Or is baseball the type of thing where you either have to be every day like you are grand and that Bart and I currently, I'd say for worse, not for better for me, I wish that like it was part of my everyday routine, but now I kind of feel like I'm out of the loop a little bit.
I've lost it. And it's harder to come back in than I think it is with the NBA where there's almost like these sections of the season. Okay, well, now it's the All-Star break.
Well, now it's the trade deadline. You know, now it's coming up at the playoffs and like baseball just kind of keeps happening. Anyway, I think we, but none of those sections of the NBA calendar matter. Like when it's going on during football, no one cares. And then when you get to the end of football in January, February, well, they're just, you know, we're counting down the days till the All-Star break.
Right. Then the All-Star break ends and it's like, well, the playoffs are coming up and everyone wants to be rested. It's like, okay, so when do the, when do the games matter? Yeah, it is why I think the end season tournament, though dumb kind of in theory was good because guys clearly tried more and that's frustrating that it took a silly in season tournament that did they, Oh yeah, they did. Those games were different and you'll see it again coming up here in like November, December, like those games were played differently. Those games were different. No, they were coached different.
They were different in like the last six minutes. I don't agree. So anyway, Bart, this was one that I knew grants and I had different opinions on and what did you, well, here's, so you took the random Tuesday out of my mouth, of course, because what sport offers a better experience on that random Tuesday. I think if you're watching baseball on a random Tuesday, okay. And this is also connected to the All-Star games. Why is the MLB All-Star game better than the NBA All-Star game is because is it, Oh yeah. Because in baseball, in baseball, there's like, you, you're, you're either trying or you're not playing.
Okay. Like, you're not just going to go out there. In basketball, you might like not play defense or you might not whatever, but in baseball, it's not like you're going to half swing a bat or throw 75 or like just let a play go by, you know, or like in the outfield, like I'll just catch it on a hop. You're trying.
Yeah, you have to try this. The nature of the game is so different where it's like, stop, start, stop, start. That the moment you try it's, and a lot of it's reflex basketball, you can actively see when a team is not trying as hard as they can.
So baseball is a better product in that way. Okay. Um, I think my problem is with 162 games I've found this summer, uh, I've not watched as much. I, I, again, I don't think I've watched a game this week since I went on Sunday and was on TV, which I still have mixed feelings about, um, but let's explore that in a moment.
We don't need to. I'm actually curious. I was curious about it. When I heard you say it. Well, I waited five years. I I've been, I've been keeping it my son off for five years and then they just tweeted it out.
Um, that's okay. Some people were, um, I was saying, Oh, I just, so with baseball, there's 162 games and that I feel like a lot of these games are missable. I I've, there's been things more important to me than the game. Like throughout the summer, I've been watching other things that have just meant more to me than, than the game.
In the game last night, then went to extra innings, I didn't turn it on. Which is nuts because you work until 1 am in a room with the TV. Yeah. And I just felt like, I don't want to get, see, I didn't want to get sidetracked with that when I'm just trying to focus on doing my show that has nothing to do with this. That's and that's fine. I understand that now when it's the playoffs and I can correlate what's happening to the show, like people are like, Oh, the Packers play, you didn't take off for the Packer game.
Fuck. No, it's going to be like the easiest show I ever do. The baseball playoffs were awesome last year too. Like they were, and to be on during those is going to be, is going to be fun. So I don't know, it just feels, and with the playoffs again, the Brewers are 11 games up the plane right now, as we're talking, um, I don't care about the buy. Too many T uh, the playoffs are too sporadic that I know the Brewers are good.
They're making the playoffs. What's going to incentivize me that I have to see the game tomorrow night against the A's, if anything, the most that I've been invested in this Brewers team is there's been one night where some of our daycare dads, one of the guys was at Pado and he's like, who should I bet on for a home run? Uh, and somebody else said Willie Adonis, so we all gave the guy 15 bucks. Willie did not Homer, but now we always text each other, who do we think is going to Homer tonight?
And we've still never gotten it. Right. That's fun.
Dads. Yeah. Yeah.
Then we got, we got a little dad thing going on. It is. That's nice. But Hey, you mentioned the Packer game. Your T you're not taking off for the Packer game coming up in a few weeks on Friday night. Did I tell you guys that I have a wedding that night? Oh, that's tough. Yeah.
They're from the twin cities. So I don't. And when you schedule a Friday Labor Day, we are the next one. You don't think football.
How could you right now? The high school, the high school football, not to go all Travis Wilson here, but like when you're inviting parent, like high school, that's a conflict and not an insignificant one, right? Like if your kid is like, you only get so many of those, right? So you don't want to miss your kid playing and the kid doesn't want to miss a game for a wedding.
So you think you're safe scheduling a Friday night wedding in early September when we scheduled our wedding at Lambo, it was December 31st, but it was a Tuesday that year. Yeah. And they wouldn't give us the date until the schedule came out.
Yeah. But I was like, there's no fucking way they're going to play you guys. You got now with the way they schedule shit, who knows? You guys didn't inconvenience your attendees with a football game. You just, you inconvenienced them in every single other way with it being on a Tuesday and with it being New Year's Eve. Well, that's why, why is that an inconvenience on New Year's Eve? No, they don't know.
No they don't. Maybe at 24, 25. But when you're 30, 31 years old and somebody invites you to a wedding where there's an open bar and it's at Lambo, I mean, we get, we gave them the best new years of their lives. I'm dying for a New Year's Eve invite for a wedding. What a great way to celebrate a new year. I think that's a narcissistic way of looking at a New Year's Eve wedding.
You can say that, but I'm telling you what people have directly told me. Like Bart, I thought it was a little, you know, oh, he had a New Year's wedding and then I'm like, holy fuck, this was the greatest thing you've ever given us, sir. So Grant, you have like standing New Year's Eve plans that you, that you've interfered with would be like how, you know, that was bold of you. Wedding people. No, maybe, maybe Bart's got a point. Maybe it would be nice because everyone feels like they should do something on New Year's Eve, but nobody wants to. So maybe having an obligation like a wedding, maybe it's, maybe it's perfect.
I don't know. I remember one year in college, we were like desperately trying, we were trying to figure out what could be the best new years that we ever experienced. And we went to Milwaukee and got hotel rooms to go celebrate at rock bottom. It fucking sucked.
Of course it did. Cause you went all the way to Milwaukee. Why would you ever, why did you leave La Crosse to go do that? It just sucked. It was a shitty idea. That's why you go to Madison, go on state street, like there are other, other things like fuck, even up to Eau Claire, go out on water street.
That'd be fun. But the best, the best going to Madison that we ever did, me and my roommate were like hell bent on not going to Mifflin one year, not knowing. Yeah. We had like a, our dorm room, it was sophomore year. So our dorm room had a poker tournament on the Friday night. You were in the dorms as a sophomore? Yeah.
Two years. Interesting. Okay. And so we, I don't know, I won like a 24 pack of dew or something. I took it up to my room and it's like 10 30 at night and we're like, you know, we were like thinking if we should have a beer or what we should do. And he goes, should we just go to Mifflin? I'm like, yeah, what the fuck are we doing?
Let's just go. So he went, figured out who we're going to stay with, woke up, Mifflin, that was the best. And then I brought my 24 pack of dew. I was like, I got the dew and people are like, we really thought you weren't coming and now you're here and it ruined our weekend. You put us out.
Imagine, imagine that, but you had new year's plans and then someone plans a wedding. Imagine dragons. Fair point. Have you ever imagined dragons? No, I have not. No, but if I did, I'm sure I would be on top of the world. Yep.
Oh, that's excellent. Anything else, Paul? I once said the imagined dragons were going to be the Beatles of our generation.
Did you mean it? Who is the closest to that though? Closest to the Beatles of our generation? Like, if you had, you have to pick one.
Taylor Swift. Well, that's okay. You're just saying popularity wise. As a group? Yeah. That's what I thought you were saying.
Like an actual like music group of individual bands anymore. Yes, me too. Yeah.
Fighters. What? Okay. Okay. Oh, okay. 2004.
Nevermind. Who are the Beatles of 2004? I thought like within the last 20 years, but okay.
Who are the Beatles of right now? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. We don't have bands. Yes.
That's why I said that. Can it be a band though, who like is in their 30th year or their 20th year? Like, does it have to be a new band or can it be like? Well, sure. Okay. Who are the Beatles of 2004 or 1994?
That's a different conversation than today. It is probably Coldplay. I think Coldplay's. Have we talked about this? Right now the thing of the summer is Creed.
So get on board. See, this is what I told my, I remember being out at uncle Wolfie's for breakfast and we were eating and I said, you know what? I think I laid it all out for, I think Coldplay at some point, they're going to have their creed moment where everyone goes, you know what? They, they were good. And I don't know why we scoff at them anymore. And I'm happy to have been with them since the beginning and I, and the person making our coffee laughed under his breath as he, as he was less, he was eavesdropping and he left. I made a video for yellow in ninth grade and I thought this band's fucking awesome. They are in yellow, the entire reason that I never gave them a chance because it was so bad.
And then 40 year old Virgin came and made one joke about him and everyone thought that they were the worst band ever. And I've stayed true and strong and I'm going to listen to them for the next two hours until I pick up my kid. I think Coldplay's had a lot of good stuff. Yellow is not among it. Shivers a great tune.
There's a lot of good songs, just not yellow. I really wish I could engage in this conversation with some form of uplift. I have to watch South free, like hit right now and I got to go listen to grand. You got to cut one right now. Garrett Mitchell herself. I got to go listen to X and Y.
Can I get rid of them both? That's what I thought you were gonna say. Okay. Bye gentlemen. Bye. Bye.
See you. So sales at the plate right now. What do we got for the score?
He hit one out of the infield. Wow. Into foul.
We're taping on Thursday afternoon. Next top seven zero zero. Yeah. Why did everybody act like on Wednesday night, that extra inning games, like the bucks lost to the sons in November? Cause it was kind of a meltdown. How how are they, how are they so good?
They're not good. That's dude. The outfield is a 20 year old, a guy who strikes out 50% of his at bats, takes some walks and mostly hit singles. And then the other guy, you could remove the outfield from every ballpark and it wouldn't change his status.
You could move the fence to the edge of the infield and it wouldn't change his stats. That's that's their outfield. And they're 20 games over 500.
I am sad looking at this lineup. There's nobody hitting over 300. I do think that's a failure of today's was the eligible sitting significantly over 300. How many people are hitting over 300? The one true stat of batting average.
I don't know. I mean, it's an important stat. It tells you how many hits you get when you're at the plate. It's the one true stat is what I said. How many players do you think are hitting over 500 in all of baseball right now? Zero zero is your answer. You said 500 over 300.
I'm not qualified hitters. Yeah. Over 300. Five to 10. Nine.
Okay. Bobby with Aaron Judge, Vlad, Steven Kwan, Ozuna, Jordan Alvarez, Yanir Diaz, Luis Arias, Jose Altuve, Soto's at 299. Arise shouldn't count.
Arise is a batting average merchant. He's like, if Sal Freelich was better at being South Freelich, which man, that means South Freelich is really shitty. I'm going to leave you with my favorite joke right now that you pop out the front of your hat. Can you leave me before? It's all inverted on your left side. My face is inverted. Well, it's like, it's okay, whatever.
What were you gonna leave me with? I saw this joke and I've been using it and nobody ever laughs. Okay. But, and it's supposed to come up in like casual conversations. So the next time anyone ever says like, like they're like, they call you smart, then you're supposed to go, yeah, I kind of, I kind of am smart. In fact, name any two numbers and then you would name, so name any two numbers. Five and seven. Yeah.
I've heard of them. I think that's funny. I thought you were gonna say, yeah, those are numbers. Cause you're, cause you're thinking like, Oh, 35, you know, what's he going to do? Adam.
Is he going to, Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Five and seven. I know them. That's a little misdirection humor, which is always for the best. All right. I always appreciate always. Good to see you. Good to see you as well. Nice to meet you. Make sure you stream this man's radio show it's on YouTube, Facebook, you gotta do hashtag grant bills on X.
By the way, a happy international radio day, Bart or national radio day. I didn't, I didn't wish that to you yesterday. I don't even think I tweeted anything about it, but I talked a lot this week on my show about how most people in this business are garbage humans that just try to elicit a response and I could make a lot more money and have a lot better career. If I just sold myself out to opinions, I didn't mean, but here I am working for you on the infinity sports network, I talked to rich Gannon and he said some stuff about, I asked him about Tom Brady and his thoughts and he says, you know, I do think guys need to sit and that would have been an article if I did a day part in Cleveland, but I'm on a national sports show, so no one gives a fuck, I guess you've already made it. You don't need people kissing your butt anymore. You've accomplished it.
No. Now I gotta be Danny Parkins. I gotta get to, I gotta get to LA. I gotta get on TV. Take his spot on the score.
Do you think they ask you? No, but two people did tweet the score suggesting me. That was it.
Interesting. I hope it's Rami personally, having you be on there today, I'll have to listen. I'm going to go get ready for my show by watching the brewers find a way to lose this game and the series. So thank you for this.
I will hit up the Spotify, put the iPods in or whatever they're called and cold play it up until five o'clock. Have a good one. See you Grant and thank you all for coming into the Winkler verse. I am Bart Winkler, like and subscribe. We're driven by the search for better, but when it comes to hiring, the best way to search for a candidate isn't to search at all. Don't search match with Indeed. Indeed is your matching and hiring platform with over 350 million global monthly visitors. According to Indeed data and a matching engine that helps you find quality candidates fast. Ditch the busy work, use Indeed for scheduling, screening and messaging so you can connect with candidates faster. Leveraging over 140 million qualifications and preferences every day, Indeed's matching engine is constantly learning from your preferences.
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