MmHmm/Mm-mm: Counsell's return was best Brewers moment since...? & Angel Hernandez, Bronny, Redick

Good morning, everybody. I am Bart Winkler. Welcome into the Winklerverse.

It's Grant Bills, Paul Immig. So I'm only going to bring this up because I've brought it up before defiantly. I'm as close as I've ever been to getting a blue check mark on Twitter. Yep. Can you talk me out of it, please? No, I've been trying to talk you into it. Go make your money.

Here's what I don't get. I don't know if I'm going to talk you out of this. Just do it. It's like saying I might start a 401k.

The longer you wait, if you're going to do it anyways, just do it now. No one's going to begrudge you, Bart. But I've been so adamant about one thing. Not recently.

Once upon a time, yeah. If you can flip flop on the Josh Hader trade, you can flip flop on your Twitter. You flip flopped on the Jordan Love pic. You got new information.

You adjusted. I just feel like as bad as things on Twitter have gotten with, I was typing up, I wanted to type up, I was looking for counsel boo the other day because I wanted the video or a picture of him getting booed. And the third result was like, boo, I'm scaring you as I counsel you into the sex in the woods. And it was just like, yeah, that's like everything I type in a Twitter search takes me to people sexing in the woods. Sin, the search feature sucks. Like I was trying to look up a tweet from the score, six 70, the score, your sister station. And I typed six 70 and like the first 10, like that's such a reason I bring it up. That's such an easy thing. Like by the way, they're not my sister station.

They're an affiliate of mine. Nice. My point is that should, that should easily populate at the top. Like that's a number.

No, there's no watch me score my 670 piece of, but the search, the search feature stinks, but the, for you tab, I don't know what it it's good. The other thing is I've come to the realization that I need to be more of the, if you can't beat him, join him kind of guy and Twitter's not going away. No.

And I've not Twittered any less. Yeah. And it's where I have the most eyes.

Go make your money. It's not even for the money part. I feel like the exposure part would be good, but also what does that, what does the blue checkup to do with exposure?

They boost you up more. So people see you allegedly, you should, I mean, this is a very easy decision that you should have committed to a while ago, but you're too stupid. I didn't talk about it so much.

I don't, I just don't want to, I don't, I feel like if I do this, I am betraying the people that I asked their loyalty Allah, Craig council, you are not Craig counseling this situation. I feel like I'm a cello. You are, you are Leslie noping this situation. Leslie nope. Leslie nope. Leslie or Leslie. Did, did some different Leslie Leslie's just, it pisses me off. How Ben almost made a point to say Leslie.

It's like, okay, I am. Um, but she taught me why and how flip-flopping is okay in certain situations. And so I think you're Jordan love thing. Good flip-flop Josh hater trade, good flip-flop going to do your blue check Mark.

A good flip-flop. I think you're all right now. Also, if I do do this, I will then clip this video. Do I need to like announce it? I'm going to look at it and be like, what the fuck Bart career update, a personal announcement colon.

Yep. I'm thrilled. I'm proud and excited to announce that I have, you got to do that whole thing. I'm okay.

Great, great tangent. Because I think that the personal announcement thing, while it does help us learn about what people are up to, there needs to be some sort of like, I'm going to make a website where you type in your personal announcement and then I'll tell you if it's worth sharing or not. Like I saw a kid like a kid and God bless and they're so proud. And a kid was like, personal update. I've accepted the position of cart runner Saturdays, 8 AM to 5 PM. Metro market. Was there a graphic?

Please tell me there was a graphic. It's him in front of the store. By the way, cart runner. I love that job. You were a car. I didn't know you were a car. Like Bart, do you want to be a cashier? You can get a, you can get 25 more cents an hour.

Ah, it's big. And I dude, what did like, what did you, did you have jobs growing up? Like what'd you make? I made like six bucks an hour places. Yep. That's about right. Grocery store. When I was in the service lifeguard, I think I made seven, seven 58, whatever minimum wage was, it was that plus like two nickels for every summer I was there. When I was a waiter, I made $2 and 35 cents an hour. And then the rest were on tips. My sister's a server now. She makes like six bucks an hour. Like she that's she made tips without tips.

Yeah. And she does obviously the job is in my dorm room. I had a big gallon Ziploc bag just stuffed with cash. Like if, if police officers were searching our cube in code hall and they're like, where's the drug dealer.

They would have looked in my desk and be like, we got them. And I'm like, it's just from slinging, buy one, get one burgers on Monday nights at Howie's and bingo. They always made me work bingo and fuck bingo.

That sucked. Well now she works in the age where you get a 15% tip just by going like this with a screen. Uh huh. I used to have to earn tips.

I went to order a cookie at one of these cookie places like crumble cookies. Maybe specifically that, but I'm not saying, okay. Okay. Was it, or was it one of Tobias Harris's franchisees? Oh, I don't know what he does. He run those. Yeah.

He has a whole bunch of them. Yeah. So my kid, when he graduates a level of swimming, we go get a cookie. And the last time I went, the, the weight was forever. So I'm like, I'm going to order online. So I ordered a $5 cookie and then right away it goes, all right, that'll be $8. And I'm like, I know there's, is there a pickup fee or what? And then I see it says tip and they start at three and you have to like, three dollars, your way to lower, but they like assume the three. Who are you tipping?

You came to pick it up. You're the person that makes the cookie. They're making the cookies anyways. They didn't make it special for you. If not you, someone else would have bought it.

Like I'm not even trying to be a Dick. Like the cookies are being, I went to a beer garden and I was tipping when they would give me beer, you know, they poured the beer, but then, but then there that he wanted cookies too. He got a cookie problem in the house.

And so the cookies are just made off the shelf. So I just grabbed all of these cookies and then, and then he goes tip and I'm like, ah, not this time. Did he literally say tip? No, I like the store more thinking that the story more thinking that there was an assumption of a tip for handing you this package.

He was like Tim Curry and home alone. Yeah. I love you being, we, that might be a bit that, that me and my significant other have, that's, was it a beer garden, Bart or a beer garden?

Uh, yeah, either one. Okay. By the way, I'm anti beer places where you pay your own, where they give you the wristband and you, you, Oh, do not like that either. Do not like you get a card and then you, you go up to the machine and then as it's pouring, you're seeing like how much it costs. I don't like that part of it. Oh, if you're going to give me a $6 beer, just give me a $6 beer.

I don't want to watch it go to $6. I don't also need to pour it. The reason I came somewhere to get a beer is ideally someone else can pour it in a glass and hand it to me.

That's normally how it works. Well, uh, I will say this, when you go to happy place hemp, they don't have a tip. You don't have to tip them.

Okay. Now, if you want to feel free, but, uh, you don't have to, you get the product that they made and then you can take it out of the store and enjoy all the edibles and gummies and tinctures and balms and seltzers that you'd like. You can also go to happy place, hemp.com. And instead of how about this, instead of going to the thing and being like, whoa, here's what I thought I was going to pay. I got to pay more. There's a price. And then you type in the promo code Bart and you're paying less promo code B a R T happy place, hemp.com.

Can I, I'm sorry, Bart, I need to do this. So Ryan Glass, Beagle just texted me out of nowhere and it's a screenshot of the Wisconsin dive bars page. And the caption was this looks like heaven and it's Dells. And I said, dude, have you like, are you sending this just because it looks like a good bar? Like this is, it is one of the best bars. He's like, no, it just looked like a cool place. Is that your spot? Oh, it's one of the, it's one of the finest spots, the best spots, perhaps. All right, Paul, hold on, Paul.

Sorry. Um, what is the best like Dell's experience you could have? Like what is the best time day?

Well, well there are a bunch of great ones. I love Saturday morning at like, it's winter, but it's a sunny winter day. Better if it's Christmas time. Cause then the Garland's hanging around.

There's a movie on TV. Everyone's very awake. We're talking with the bartenders. So noon on a Saturday would be pretty great. Otherwise like just Thursday at 7 PM, summer night, the doors propped open.

The best way to experience Dell's, you are very close. It's a Saturday, maybe started at 11 or noon. You post up there with multiple friends that you have a spot at the bar. You play the dice, you do the, you do the tip train and then like maybe one of you can leave to get food or another can try, but you, you know, you guys have this spot from like 12 to six 30, then you leave, enjoy the rest of lacrosse and come back at like 1230. That is, that is such a day.

Holy moly. The starting there, one of those days more in my life, the starting there until you're rearing to go. And then everyone starts getting ideas of grandeur. We should go here. It'll be fun.

It won't be. You get there. You have a couple realize what have we done?

You go back reconnect with the bartenders and then you sit there until the lights come on. I agree. Yeah. All right. Sorry, Paul. Maybe someday.

I'm sure someone enjoyed that. I'll just like downplays our actual heaven. I like our actual, this is the most important thing that I've ever talked or thought about in my entire life. Yeah.

Well hit me with your best shot, Paul Benatar. Oh, very nice. Well done. Okay. Uh, NBA or MLB? Uh, I think is it a brewers? Kinda. Sure.

Monday Memorial day between the booing of Craig council, the brewers winning in the fashion they did and the angel Hernandez news Monday was the best day in the history of baseball was the best day of your baseball fandom in the past long time or well, what was a better day then? I don't know. Mine is mine is, I mean, angel Hernandez has been your, your thing about angel Hernandez is unbelievable and deserved. It's a bit much Paul. No, it's, it's a little odd.

No, it's borderline obsessive. He's basically putting together a Barto meter segment for you. Appreciate that very much. Trust me. I do. And as I was going through some of the like highlights of angel Hernandez or low lights, um, play that one back on Thursday.

That was good. What is so shocking to me is not just the bad call. It is the then subsequent actions after his bad calls defiance where he's almost like, I don't even know. It's not shocked or confused. It's just like, it's like he makes the call, right?

And then as the person turns to him, somebody like freaky Fridays with him and there's a new person in this body. And all they know is they have to keep it up. They have to keep up the routine. Yeah.

And cause they're like confused, but also determined. And it's like, how do you make even when there's replay, I mean these home runs or like, and it's every let's home runs it's first base, it's third, second home strike zone, no matter where you can screw up, check swings when it first or third it's everywhere. So, I mean that, that part for you, for sure. Um, in terms of like the 2018 run that I got to be a experience, I mean, I don't know that, you know, outside of like a world series that I can replicate that. I think for me, my top, my top baseball days ever was when the brewers got in the playoffs for the first time in my life, when they beat the Cubs, um, three to run off, three to one off a Bron Homer. And then you watch the Mets game after. So that was oh eight, oh eight. Yeah. Then, and then going to a playoff game that year where they beat the Phillies, even though they lost in four, they still want a game at home that day that I was there in the outfield, uh, the 2018 days, but just yesterday or Monday, and that's not like a we're taping that I just, we don't do that as much anymore. No.

All right. Pretend, pretend that it's, um, it was just, and, and, uh, Grant would agree, like the way that the game happened and we almost got that again on Tuesday with like a no hitter and then Craig takes the guy out. We are, we're almost getting like Craig's greatest hits, but then they fucking score a shitload of rocks. It was almost going to be, I almost had my show for today written. It was almost going to be, well, you know, Monday that's as good as it gets.

I thought, how could you write a better script? And then I watched Tuesday's game and that would have been even better had the brewers, you know, pulled it off and God damn, you know, if Willie Adamas hadn't got called out at second, that shit, I don't mean to be the anti technology anti review guy, but for how much technology and review we've worked into the game, there's a lot of moments where it's like, well, we know what the call is, but we know they're going to call it the other thing. There's like one or two of those, not one or two, but like every other night, there's a play like that where it's like, well, we all know he's safe, but the call is going to be out.

Like, fuck, I hate that. I don't want to detour too much, but that happened. Was that game three of Timberwolves?

Who are they playing right now? Timberwolves in Dallas, where the, the call went out of bounds because it did go off the guy, but they're not able to review the fact that it was actually a huge slap across the guy's wrist, which led the ball going up, but they couldn't review the fact that it was a foul. They could only review who it went off of.

It's like some of the twists that they've put into some of the review rules that in various sports is like, I thought we were just trying to get it right. Like what happened to that anyway, if it was about getting it right, Paul, we wouldn't recognize the game anymore and you'd be happy because you, yeah, you, you're not an enjoy the ride guy. You, you want to just, you show me the points, show me the play, show me the result, get to the result. No, that's not true. We simulate all these games because then they would be, they would be pure. That's what you want. No, I don't.

I actually am very much an enjoy the ride, very much an enjoy the ride guy. If there aren't unnecessary variables changing and I call them unnecessary human error be damned. Humans, they're pesky, aren't they? But also the problem isn't just the human getting the call right or wrong. It's that then humans tried to enact replay rules, which are dumb, right?

So then a human said, you know what, we're going to re you can review it. And if it goes out of bounds, even though he was followed, cause humans are dumb. So it's like the rule, the way that you can, then you have to have the replay official go to the table, knowing the guy got hacked across the arm, but it did go off of him. But I need to stand there as the rep and look like a dumb ass by saying, okay, Dallas ball.

Cause it went off of Minnesota. It's like, but you know, it's because he was followed, but you can't say that because a human who put these rules in place has told you that the rules is this anyway. We're going to submit to the robot overlord so quickly.

I mean, I would open the front door. I feel like you might be one now. No. Um, there's the, there's the I in AI. Stand for image, artificial image. Yep.

It does. How'd you know grant Monday? Just a fantastic day for major league baseball for your enjoyment of major league baseball.

Take that in however, whatever direction that you would, that you would like. Could you hear that? I just, I forgot to turn my microphone back on.

I'm glad to hear. Uh, and the angel Hernandez thing. Yeah.

Thanks Tim. Like the angel Hernandez thing was a nice footnote. Like, yeah, that brewers when it's like the universe and I, I'm someone who believes in sports gods. Like I think there is some karma, natural thing where it's like we, every fan base gets their moment. Some get more and you know, like Minnesota sports fans would be like, well, when is our moment? I guess, I don't know.

The twins won a world series in the nineties. Like I, I do think there's some governing force. And I think all weekend long, I was thinking Monday night, that's all I could think about. It's like, we were going to, we deserve this, right? Like the universe of sports gods that are going to let us have this.

Right. And I, I think they did. And the game played out in the perfect way. And it was, it was, it was awesome. And then what it did to Cubs fans and what it did to me, I think it did things to me to that, that game, just clearing that game on the schedule, going through that. Yes.

The brewers won, which is awesome. I, I came out the other side. You're familiar with the idea of post nut clarity.

Yes. It's like that, but for sports, like now that we're through that, like, I think I can just relax a little bit more reasonable about council. I still don't like him. Still sucks. It's still really wrong what he did and fans should still boo him. And they will like Ryan Braun was boot every time at Wrigley, like Danny Parkinson's is like, it will reduce to nothing.

No, it won't. Well, I don't like that. My guy Parkinson's is like, Oh, the Cubs will win more games. Like you're resorting to that already and based on, based on what, what is that based on the Cubs fans? They have this in their mind. That's why council went there.

Well, I mean, I still don't think so. Cubs fans have it in their mind where it's like, we are the superior organization. We're better. We're smarter. We win more.

Where has that ever? What does that played out? Like, yeah, they had their run in 2016, but the brews had their own run. It didn't culminate in a championship, but big picture.

These franchises are like the same. I'm going to rank the things that I dislike about council. Okay.

Three things. Why I'm still upset about council shakeaways, your council shake. Oh, you want some shakeaways? I do. All right. The top three.

Here are the Bart Winkler shakeaways. Here are the reasons why I'm starting like that. Cause I'm going to clip this. Here are the reasons, Tim, here are the top three reasons. I'm the most upset at Craig council still right now. Number three, the fact that he left in the first place to the Cubs, that's still a very big reason. He went to the rival. He had a lot of other places he could have gone. He chose the Cubs. Number two, the more that he talks about the process that led him to leaving, the more it makes us realize he was not committed to this team for the last two years. He was sandbagging his last two years and not fully in it. He may be born a brewer, but he's certainly going to die a trader. And number one is that this guy is so clearly trying to mask the pain through trying to belittle our emotions. He is gaslighting us.

He is saying that he is laughing when you can see it in his eyes, the city that he called home. But then as I say that this M effort did go to Notre Dame. So we should have known the whole time that he was a student.

Those are my shakeaways. I mean, where was he supposed to go to school? UW-Milwaukee? He could have, I suppose. Notre Dame.

Sure. Where Pat Murphy went, too. I mean, it's the Whitefish Bay of colleges. Take back the Notre Dame. It's the Whitefish Bay of colleges.

And for love of Pat Murphy, yeah, we won't hate on Notre Dame. Yeah, it's like there's certain people that love Chicago so much but won't. So they're like, I'm going to live in Whitefish Bay and then go to Notre Dame. Or I'm going to live in the I'm going to live in Hoffman Estates and then go to Marquette. Like, you want to be Chicago? Be Chicago. Like me, I live in Milwaukee. I live in Milwaukee. Shorewood.

I live walkable from the border. Oh, Milwaukee. Yeah. That's true, I suppose. I don't know. Grant, should we attack you about your backing down of council after yesterday?

Because backing down. Go ahead. What do you want to say?

I just we texted a little bit about this the other day. I just remain surprised that it calms you. You're more mad at council after this week than you were on Monday because I'm and I think I think if the question was, you hate council even more now. Oh, yes. He's I mean, if you can watch that, and not come away like what a smug asshole.

Yeah, I want to talk to you. I want to know that you can watch the same thing I watched and come away with a different conclusion about this person. Like the thing I sent back to you in the text was like, person one says for good reasons. I hate you. Person two says, lol, you're so silly.

Person one should be you know what? Fuck you more like this is that was what you can't just but but my pain. How do you how do you diffuse situations like this? You kill them with kindness.

It's not working. But but I think that's what like, I've been in situations where I've been so mad at someone, and then they just like, oh, you know, and then I'm like, it diffuses you, because you want them to match your intensity. And the fact that he is, but I don't. I feel like he's doing it in a way to spite us even more. Yeah, well, I mean, it's it's in like, he turned on the Brewers, which is fine.

But at some point, it felt like he turned on us. Well, I mean, if you care about your sports team, again, break up with someone, at least write them a letter explaining your it might be hard for both of you or as there's no closure there, or as you've described in many cases with your college girlfriends, don't then go to my best friend. Oh, yeah. Right. I mean, like, I don't care if like you would probably I'll put myself like I don't care if you after taking you mini golfing that you decide this is no longer for you to stay in this. I heard you tell that story. But like, that's fine.

But then don't go mini golfing with my with my best with my roommate. And I think I was okay, let me ask you this. You were surprised Brewers fans in mass did in fact respond on Monday the way they did. You're like so with the chorus of booze, which had to prompt, you know, Bill Schroeder to be like, of all the reactions.

I've never thought that one. What the fuck? Like, how just how removed are you from reality bill? But like, of all the things that could have happened, like, you are surprised that it actually was that loud, angry, unrepentant a little bit. I think that actually came. So for me, I thought it would be like, you know, you kind of have your like anything people would get up and cheer, but I thought people might like, I'm not voting in this. Right.

That's kind of what I thought. They voted. Yeah, well, that's because the people that are the most passionate go to the polls. I don't I don't think that the people that would cheer Craig Council thought that they wanted to go to that game. Good.

I'm glad that they like weren't couldn't us Council bully haters voter suppress the council lovers. It was I mean, it was exact. I was so I mean, I was proud in the honest and goodness, but strange way. Like I was like, oh, my God, like they it's like validating that you're like, you're not just stuck in your echo with Bart and Grant in our text and with a couple other bodies that like it's like, oh, no, like, this is actually how people feel about this. That's that's that's great. Like, it's like, OK, I'm not, you know, living in this bubble.

And I do need to talk with Brett and Tosa because I love that he is trying to get Craig to jump the fence to fight him. Dude, so funny and great. Yeah. In every way. Yeah. Grant, you were getting facial expressions that tell me something.

So you you were surprised that it went the way it did on Monday. And no, not at all. Good. It is it is germane.

Is my using that correctly? It is germane. I'm rewatching Breaking Bad and it is germane. It is pertinent to bring up that booze heavily outweigh cheers. If we put 10 people in a stadium and we have like seven of them cheer and three of them boo like the booze cut through, I don't know if they ever did that on sports science, but the booze, like only a couple of booze will cut through if you're I'm I'm I'm not kidding. Like, I think they ever did that on sports science. They should have.

It's like, what's the ratio? Like they are more like Donovan McNabb, the way he throws the ball at a 43 degree angle. Yeah, it would have been a good ready, Mitchell.

No, I wasn't surprised at all, especially given that booze are louder and especially like what reason do Cubs fans have to stand up right now and be like, no, we will not allow the booze to cut through to our guy like they're underperforming. Right. I don't know that a lot of them are happy with Craig Council. And another thing, they don't have years and years and years of background.

He's not one of them like he was one of us. So I think that played a role in into maybe how Brewers and Cubs fans they the reaction mixed on Monday. I also think to the members of the media and maybe Rock and B.A. are a little different because Rock and B.A., especially Rock, I don't think they're in it the way that a sports talk radio host is in it. They broadcast the games and they're at the ballpark, but they're not interacting with the Bretton Toses of the world every day, like someone. But let me just say, I would argue that that's part of their job.

That is, they should be like or you need to be listening to the sports talk radio so you can at least get a flavor like you. It came across to me as naive. That like they were like speaking of like the bubble that I was wondering if I lived in that you that to me tells me that you have you have no grasp of the actual reality of Brewers fans, and therefore you don't know how to talk to your audience. If you don't know how to if you don't understand your audience, you can't properly communicate to your audience.

No, and no, I know I agree with that. I I think you're I think your standard and expectation for, for example, Bill Schroeder is much higher than most. And I we have previous conversations that I think would illustrate that like I think you think he should be grinding hours of tape every day and like for sure, like doing straw polls in the street with Brewers fans. If he said to me, what can I what what what can I improve on?

I'd say the answer is don't improve on anything. But like, for example, men of the people Tim Dillard would have not been surprised. He would have not been like, wow, of all the reactions that I didn't expect this like Dillard would have no he is popping in and out of here. Like he's Eric Foreman on the last season of that 70s show.

So that's not that's gonna be tough. I did appreciate because I played the BA audio. He like he was laughing a little bit like during the Bali sports. Yeah, it's what they tweeted when BA is like, and here's what it sounded like. And then they played, you know, the 15 seconds and coming back when BA starts narrating again, he's like, he's trying to not laugh because he's like, holy shit, which I like I appreciate it.

I appreciate that showed some emotion there. I think there are sports talk hosts in and around Milwaukee and other sports talkers name names show that they're a little I don't like sports talk radio people who are above it. We're like, well, I'm not a fan. Fans are dumb. Fan is short for fanatic. That's something that you have to account for in sports like, oh, fucking Of course, they lit Council up on Monday. And if that's like a shock to you, then reconsider some things.

I don't know. Yeah, I would agree with because like I think for example, Kurt Hogue should not should not be a fan. I think you need to know what the fan is thinking. But I'm good with the beat reporter not being a fan. I think local radio host not being a fan is then you can't do your job. No, but the but the be reporter.

Here's in 2024. The be reporter can't think so little of the fan. Correct. To the point where the fan perspective doesn't matter. Like Kurt is not going to cheer in the press box and be the world's biggest fan, but he at least has to be able to see and understand the fan perspective to do his job. And by the way, I don't think that was the case 20 years ago, or even 10 years.

The reporters are fans of short games and free meals. You are definitely not wrong. But right. I mean, it's kind of goes thing with the audience of if you're the broadcaster, like if you are so disconnected from the reality of how the fan is feeling, then you can't speak to your audience properly. I agree with you. needs to know right how that Yeah, I think being a play by play, you're putting on a television product. I think there's a little I know what you're saying.

analyst, you expect a lot of your analysts. I don't. And that's so weird. No, no, no, I'm not saying you can have the expectations that you want.

No, I'm saying it's weird that you would especially in the profession of which you are working to improve from within that you'd like, ah, fuck it. Just just just just mail it in. Not. There's a lot.

There's a lot. There's a big area in and doing the minimum of good. Yeah, you just defined like last night on my show.

I did not mail it in. But I did the minimum of good. Like Paul, you you expect Bill Schroeder to watch four hours of film to do straw polls like all these things. There's a difference between what you expect and doing nothing like there's a big gap. There's a lot of spectrum there where broadcasters can land. You think you don't think I mean, you don't think there are analysts across sports, who, like prominent ones who do nothing other than show up to the game and just call it.

There's a lot of them. Let's play by play guys, but analysts Sure, that's what I'm saying. And like those who they might kick it to at halftime, or in between an inning or at in between periods of like, the you can tell the guys who are trying like we can we can we can debate about JJ Riddick and like being like the smartest guy in the room, according to him, soon to be head coach of the Lakers, JJ Riddick, according to Chris Haynes. But he he's trying and like I know like trying is not always very cool. But like, I love that he's doing some of the stuff he's doing, even though I don't like the way he's doing it and more portraying it. I appreciate that there's someone who's like, Oh, hey, the status quo.

Nope. Like, let's do it this way. I would coach him on how to not you're the type of fan to ask when is when is the last time you learn something from this broadcaster? I Oh my god, that's all I want. I know, I know, like, oh, go be entered, like just be entertaining. Like entertainment is so that you expert, presumed expert can tell me watcher at home guy, something I didn't know before. That's the job description. No. Well, then the best guy that honestly is Chris Collinsworth. He's so he's great, right? I think and I think Collinsworth is excellent. Let the record show I'm a big Collinsworth fan. Aikman.

I also I'm sorry. Chris Collinsworth. Yeah, right. Not jack.

Sure. Jack, they're so clueless what they use him for. They threw him on the Kentucky Derby.

Did they really? Yeah. And now we're going on to Jack Collinsworth with his pick. And he's like, I like sir nightingale or whatever the fuck these horses. I'm down here along the railing guys like they throw to him before these horses are a lot bigger than I thought they'd be. Well, when's the guy coming out with the trumpet to play that song? I gotta get out of the way. I he's fine.

It'd be nice if we were up there with a mint jewel up instead of down here in the mud, but we'll make it do won't we? Yeah, I just I don't I don't need to learn a whole lot from Bill Schroeder. If he if he, you know, we're trying to specifically bill but like we know about like, you know, like Stan Van Gundy and we could talk about Reggie Miller. We could talk like it doesn't analyst. You just I think have the expertise that I don't have.

Like tell me about that. Oh, Grant's got something. Well, I just I just think I thought Breen was I thought he was above everything.

I thought he was completely and totally independent of outside factors. But I tell you, he misses his he misses Mark Jackson and Van Gundy. I was okay. So what game was that? The game? What was the last game they did? Because they did the East series. Yeah, it would have been for game four. What game?

What night was that Monday? Game four was there was like a three minute stretch where Breen was the only one that talked like he's talking and then he pauses because he knows that's where Jeff or Mark would have come in. And then he picks it up again because he's got nothing. Finally, Doris says some sentence. JJ is probably texting people to be his assistant while this is happening. Breen is like, they did not go from a three man to a three man.

They went from a three man to a solo. Doris Burke is like whoever this Susan is with the Yankees. Like I'll go to Susan. What do you think? And then she's like, and then I don't know what the fuck Redick is. He's just he's just like, Oh, you've never seen a podcast?

Who's Sam Malone? Yeah, the whole thing is so weird. I think Breen Breen, I think did. And maybe I'm reading into the situation when I want to read into the situation.

But Breen, when he hit him with a lot to learn young man and not just about basketball. I think that was a little bit of Mike Breen being like, you know, this fucking know it all over here. I think he never thought I want him to think that he probably isn't actually thinking that. But I Breen like there's a little little shakiness here and there.

I think he's like, what am I? Because it's I mean, the booth is shifted twice. And I don't know how long. How long were Van Gundy and Mark Jackson? There was a it was a while long time.

Ten years. Yeah. Right after Mark got fired. But was wasn't that the group even before Mark Jackson got the job and then he came back? Am I making that up? Well, maybe it might have been I don't know.

My point is they have they have a decade plus, I think in totality together. But it's kind of like, I mean, Bart, you've got a different producer right now every night of the week. So like, it's hard.

It takes a while to build chemistry and like know when to kick to so and so. Not if you're me. Right.

I mean, you're producer killer. I forgot about Adam Roberts today. I saw one of his tweets. I was like, that's right. He used to be on Bart's show. God, that's that's a little bit of the best jingle of Oh, scrub it up. His scrub a dub. Austin asked me the other day if I had it.

I don't know that I do. But I'm looking for it hip to be scrub it up hip to scrub it up to scrub it. Scrub it up, man. They got so much value. Yeah. And I just wish that like, on my long list of vendettas. Yeah, I wish that someone would have come to me and been like, Bart, what you've done for scrub it up, like at the station is just remarkable the way that you took something organically that we could have never thought.

Here's $100 honestly, three car washes for life. Wouldn't you have just taken the validation though? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I thought the same thing.

And I'm not saying this to say this, like, gourmet nights popcorn. I will see that now. And I will say it wasn't even my show. I know it wasn't.

But I'll see it and I always my brain just goes to that impromptu impromptu like this song like what I've done for happy place him. I went and got gout on purpose so that I could get their products to cure it. For sure. I know you did. I know you did. I'm surprised you shared that.

I'm always up for I'm always up for it. Yeah. Bart's big breakfast didn't come out of fucking thin air.

Oh, wait, it did. sponsors. I don't know what I'm I don't know what it I'm trying to scratch but I am. I got I got it all over here. Be the title of your book. Yeah. I just I just got all these all these scores to settle. All right, let's get to another one before we run out of time. I don't quite know how to my notes just say Jason Kidd.

So let me try to craft this. Jason Kidd is and always was a good NBA head coach. Or is and always was so yes, he is. He was not always. He's learning. He's getting better at it.

As we've shared and talked about and read. He has two guys that are really good for him. He's got two Jason kids. I mean, you've got Kyrie who like, grew up loving Jason Kidd. Yeah. Which is good. Luca can look at kid is like, oh, you were here when they won.

Yep. You know, that's a big I mean, it's just and they want to they want to play for him coachings as much about that as anything else. If you put kid on different teams, I don't know that it's going to work. But I feel like I feel like there's more of that that goes on in sports that we just don't like. Talk about sometimes we'll say, Oh, that guy was a really good coach. That guy was a really good player. But that guy was a really good coach because he had that player and because that player had him like, the relationship can go both ways.

Yeah. But we always just assume Oh, because we always see him in one spot usually. Oh, he's a bad coach because his team sucked. Well, is he or does he not have the right compliments for him and vice versa? What was Boone Holzer's first year as bucks coach 19?

Or 818 19? Okay, so Jason Kidd was the Bucks head coach three years before they won a title. Right, so he so Jason Kidd. Yeah, Jason Kidd. I mean, famously, like your like house on fire thing, which I completely agreed with like this was not like, No, I think we're misreading about Jason Kidd as a head coach.

We're missing a flop on me there. That was real. I'm saying well, I see what you're saying.

But right, like that's not that was not a misreading of the house's burning potential that shit was on fire and you had to get out. It's just amazing to watch him now be like competent. And I do think a lot of it is like he is coaching two guys who love Jason Kidd and the best but but Yanis love Jason Kidd Yanis reportedly was like, No, we were doing firing my guy.

The honest is a very loyal guy. Regardless. Now, who it is, but we thought that anyone could come in here and then they revolted on him after four games. So here's Adrian Griffin. Yeah.

But I mean, I'd still think so anyway, my answer would echo yours. You know, how incompetent your boss has to be for you to have the strength to go to them and tell them they're bad. Who? Who are you referring to?

The box and Adrian Griffin. Oh, right. Because me and a radio station wants me and a guy, our boss, and this was long time ago, our boss was missing everything. I mean, clients were calling us saying what is going on?

Like what we we we had to work up the strength to go to this person and be like, Are you okay? You are bad at this of this. Yeah. Oh, Grant, Jason Kidd is a good NBA head coach. And then part B always was a good coach. I would be so I think I would have the same answer as Bart, but right.

But we'll never know. I like Bart's point about we often only see a coach in one, maybe two spots. It doesn't go well.

But with players, especially quarterbacks, for example, were very quick to say, Well, it all depends on the situation, right? What's the organization? What's the roster? But with coaches, we don't we don't really talk about that as much. I wonder what like, let's say that instead of Jason Kidd coaching the Bucks in that time window, it was Mason shit. And then he was fired in 1718. And then instead of bringing in bootenholzer, they brought in Jason Kidd, who had already coached somewhere, right.

And I guess at the time, he'd already coached somewhere with this. Like, what if he comes in and gets the more mature, progressed version of the roster, the addition of blood. So and that, like, they're actively looking to upgrade point guard.

I, I wonder, I don't know. I think Jason Kidd, like maybe Kyrie Irving and Luca Doncic, I think has matured a little bit. The players obviously love playing for him. They're bought in defensively.

I think Jason Kidd, I think it speaks volumes. They've made it all the way through the Western. Well, they're one game away, make it through the Western Conference playoffs. He hasn't punched his wife yet. So I think that's, I, I said, I saw a tweet that said that I'm sorry. I think I think he's taken Yeah, I think he's he's gotten a lot better. But I'm not willing to discount the idea that that maybe could have happened in Milwaukee if he would have been one coach later. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, like, yeah, the Packers had to fire Mike McCarthy when they fired Mike McCarthy his production or his ability to have done well or whatever in Dallas is irrelevant of the fact that you the Packers house was on fire and you had to get out of that house in 2018 for the Packers too.

So he Jason Kidd in New Jersey, but with the Nets as the coach with the Bucks as a coach was a legitimately bad I mean, his his shit was like, he's a bad coach. But paired with this group, it's the it's the perfect and he's learned stuff. Like, like Bart, would you have you're gonna well, I'm so curious how you're gonna answer this. Like Bart, would you have been at the same level of national radio host now as five years ago?

Or did you learn something in the last five years that's prepared you for it? Oh, I mean, duh. Right. There's two ways you could have gone with that. Yeah.

No, but that's, I don't know. So he's clearly Oh, you want me to say no, I've always been this great. I'm actually being serious. Like, but we're shaking the imposter syndrome I've dealt with my whole life.

No chance. I think we all Well, not everyone. But like Angel Hernandez, but like, most people just get better at things with practice. You know, if they have aptitude for it, like in Jason Kidd, to his credit, but also like, he's Jason Kidd is going to get credit for becoming a better coach, which he has. But are they this good if Nico Harrison doesn't go make those trades at the deadline? Like, no. Right. But that's the nuance grant that you were referencing earlier, where sometimes it's like, well, with coaches, you're just like, good, or is he bad? Like forgetting the fact of like, roster construction and whatever else.

But okay, I have one more quickie for you, unless you have anything else on Jason Kidd. I do not. I'm just fighting with a Cubs fan online that wants to try to tell me how to feel even though these people really bother me like stay out. That's the way this is not the cup.

They love injecting themselves. This isn't your thing. I know he's your manager and he went to you and you gave him more money. But these are my feelings. Leave me alone.

All right, one quick one, then you got to run. Bleacher Report had a Bucks trade idea. It's not like an earth mover. Like it's not like one of the big four. But that this from Bleacher Report is a good. So you would do this as the Bucks. To the Golden State Warriors go Bobby Portis and Andre Jackson Jr. To the Bucks comes Gary Payton II, Moses Moody, the number 52 overall pick in this year's draft as well as a 2026 second rounder. Portis and Ajax for Moody, Gary Payton II and two second rounders. Mm hmm.

Or no. Why so defiant because of Ajax, right? Well, I mean, Golden State wins that trade wholeheartedly. Why Moody is a very good young player who I like a lot.

He's going to be like a Damian Lee. Mm hmm. I don't agree with that. Moody, I'm not in as if I'm trading with the Warriors, you're giving me comminga or nothing. Then you're giving up more.

Give up more. Bobby's here to stay. Doc likes him.

Sorry. That much is clear. But sometimes, yeah, if I was John Horst, I would take away Doc's toy because he likes Bobby. He outsizes, like, Doc trusts and gives Bobby too much.

And that needs to be reeled in. I don't love it. I don't know what I would do. I think you're underselling it a lot. You're going to take Bronny with one of those picks at 52. Do that whole story.

You need I'm not all the way through your Tuesday night show. That needs to the fact that he's only working out for the Suns and Lakers is totally fucked for a guy of this talent. See, it is. The problem is it is a great story with many angles and options. But people are like, because it's LeBron doubt.

But you could I mean, this is a lot to the story. A player of this caliber, a low caliber selectively. But by the way, what this also means is like, is that LeBron saying, sure, I'll go to the Suns next year. And what would you like to speculate? Well, I mean, you'll turn down a workout from every other team that wants to bring you in, except the team that your dad is currently on. And then also, well, do they other teams want them? Or did they just say that? Do they want who?

Like I accepted an offer with infinity sports after all the other offers that came in. Of course. Of course. Right. But there was apparently the reportedly where there are 10 teams that were told no, brownie will not come in. That's not there.

You got to I'm still very obsessed with how the sausage is made. Like did rich Paul tell someone that I that would be the process. So then he couldn't be lying. So drafting brawny could curry favor perhaps with clutch sports clients in the future. Maybe it's a little bit you can think bigger than LeBron zoom out. Right.

It's a very powerful sports sports agency. All right. See you, Paul.

You guys talk. But if I was the Hawks, I wouldn't be like, I wouldn't because I've said, Oh, they should just draft brawny and be like, screw it. You want this now?

You have to come get it. But then or any team, you know, Hawks have number one, but any team, but then if you're pissing off clutch sports now, you're going to piss them off for 10 years just because you're trying to make this power move. I don't know the agents and I don't I don't like kids coming out of college with their, their britches. This big, like it's the same with shit or Sanders. It's like, well, there's some teams we're just not going to play for. Maybe it's maybe it's because these people are younger than me. Do you think that's what it is? Do you think that's why it irks me? It is.

It's well. Now I just assume I'm older than anybody. But like LeBron's my age. But when when it when the younger than you starts is the worst. Like I think once you hit 30, it's like, all right, it's generally accepted that these guys are younger than me. But you're still like, young enough where it's like, you look at these kids and you still for the longest time in Fondy, when we get together forever. We still looked at ourselves as seniors and these other group of kids were sophomores, even though we were like 25 now and they were 23. Okay, we're still like all the fucking sophomores even though because we knew them as sophomores, obviously.

But I think you still are gonna feel that. I also just you know, like, I don't need Tyrese Halliburton doing the the tick tock dances and the whole I just I don't know. And I like I have a lot of old man takes. I don't like the over the top fashion arriving to the games. Let's show up the conference finals. Let's show up in a hoodie and sweatpants.

Let's be locked in. You know, just some old man tendencies and takes like that. But I don't know I don't if I were you I would get a lot of run out of the brawny thing if I hosted the show that you host. I don't bring it up tonight because the slate is empty. Well, you know what you should do is talk about the idea that the Lakers are gonna hire JJ Redick because I'd like I like I brought that up earlier today, but it's just not. I think it's fascinating.

I think it's to quote Paul. He's not here. But you know, I'll think about him when I say I'm fascinated at the idea of the Lakers hiring JJ Redick. It has nothing to do with any of our Wisconsin teams, but I think it would be a super interesting story.

I had a sports radio thing I wanted to ask you and then I forgot it. We probably could have done we probably could have done the Dells bar thing. Now. I thought of that while we were doing it. But I thought no, Paul needs to hear this.

Paul Paul needs to understand that we have this place. That is so like mythical. It's our Narnia. Yeah, it is. It is. Yeah, I don't I don't know the sports radio thing you were gonna ask me. Um, let me try to think of it real quick. If not, I'll say goodbye. You can edit this one. No, I don't care anymore. It was about I don't know.

Other promotion for me. I just did an episode with Matthew collar on purple insider if you want to check that out on his YouTube or download the podcast. Infinity sports net. You can hear Grant on the Wisconsin zone.

You got mad at me because I always screw up your thing. But he goes, he goes, at the end, he's like, and find Bart on infinity sports map or whatever it's called. Who said that? Matthew collar. Oh, I'm like, I'm like, it's kind of offensive. He goes, I don't know. He's a radio guy, too. That's part of why I love Matt is anytime I ask him to do hits, be like, Hey, sorry, the, you know, isn't working today.

Or we had to move this. He's like, I get it. Because he worked in radio.

You know, he gets it. I was like, I'll be a filler guest anywhere. He's like, I went on one station the other day, because I forget what team it was. But he's like, they were making the comparison that their team now is akin to the 2017 Vikings. So they called me to talk about the 2017 Vikings.

That's funny. He's like, sure. I love the guests who just assume their filler. Like, Hey, love to have you on tomorrow.

Like you free at this time. Yeah. Anytime you need a, anytime you need filler, he'll let me know. Like Scott Grodsky, like that dude, which he, by the way, Scott's been on a heater on Twitter. Like I was not familiar with Scott's game.

And now I see some of his tweets. I'm like, God damn it. Every time I ask guys like, yeah, whenever you need time, go ahead and ask. It's like, no, I, I do enjoy having you on Scott. You don't need to, but yes, time does need to be filled. So I, I do. Oh, I was thinking about filling time tonight with a guest, but I can't think of one or guests hard to find nine to one central time. I don't know. I don't really book them.

I make these kids do it. You're producer producers. You have a team. I know if you have nine producers a month, you have zero. I suppose they've all been doing a great job. That's true.

Yes, they have. I've enjoyed a list. All right, grant. Maybe I'll think about my question another time.

Circle back. We can waste Paul. We can waste five minutes of Paul's time at the beginning of the episode next week with whatever it is that you're trying to remember.

Just give me 20 seconds. It was about, it was about, it wasn't about interviews. It was about topics. Oh, sometimes when I get into a new, when I get into a topic that I know I've done before, I feel like a comedian doing his set again, worried that an audience that's already seen these jokes are going to be listening.

Interesting. So lately I've been doing like a lot of, and one thing I've talked about, or you may have heard this before. If you've been listening for awhile, I'm sure I've said this just as like, and I don't want it to hinder like, Oh, Bart's going to repeat it. I just wanted to be like, I get it. If you've heard it, I get it, but I'm bringing it up again. I've only got so many fucking tricks. What, what caused you to think about this?

Basically whenever I like don't know what to say, I just kind of think of a bit in my head that I know like, Oh, it's 11 o'clock. I got nothing. I'll fucking do hot pockets. Okay.

Always more call center stories. Always always, always, always. All right, bud. We'll appreciate you. Appreciate you. Nice to see you and Paul. Uh, good luck, uh, talking about LeBron James Jr. or whatever it is.

I look forward to listening. Thank you. Bye Grant. Bye. Grant Pills, Paul Immig. Thanks for stopping into the Winkler verse.