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Member FDIC, terms and conditions apply, NMLS 696891. Good Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome into the Winkler Verse. I'm Bart Winkler. Grant Bills and Paul Immig are with us.
It's mm-hmm mm-mm. We bring it to you maybe 46 times a year. Um I like that we're in uh Like we've got our Because I was going back through old tweets and video. And we're, even though this isn't like the most professional-looking thing on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream, hit him up for your insurance needs. Our camera angles were shit.
It was blurry. It's just funny to look at the The ones from a lot three years ago. Jesus Christ. Oh, really? What are we doing?
Yeah, I remember doing it, and I'm just thinking of the apartments that I used to do it. And yeah, it's been. But you were always sitting like this. Whether your head was, you know, how people do. Framed like Larry David.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um So my gripe of the week. It's Bart Wingler's gripe of the week. Brought to you by.
Besides just the fact that I'm an overall utter asshole in all things life, um. I was talking about this. This is how I started Monday's show. And the moment it happened, I knew how I was going to start Monday's show. First of all, I thought.
I thought we might have an emergency pot on Saturday, the way things were going. You know that moment when your weekend when your weekend begins? When the the final Fred Flintstone Bird goes, and then you can leave work. Friday at five for some. And Even if you like So Have a weekend where there's stuff you don't want to do.
Or there's a weekend where you're not sure. There's still, there's that. There's that feeling of Anything's possible. Anything is possible. It's an incredible feeling.
You work so hard for that feeling. And most of your weekends are going to be the same dog shit weekends that they always are. You're gonna drink too much, hide how much you drink. From your wife. Common common common stuff.
Of course. And uh And so mine is at Friday at 1 a.m. or Saturday. But 1 a.m. to start the weekend.
And You know. I enjoy that. I savor that. I go home. I watched them Friday Night SmackDown.
I have a couple of RTDs ready to drink cocktails. And I cram about a whole weekend night into one hour, and then I go to bed. But as soon as As I got I mean, I should almost play the voicemail. Should I just play the voicemail? Yeah.
Yeah, it probably should. I'll play the voicemail. I got this voicemail as soon as I got off the air. And I kept his name quiet on the show, but. He did call me.
And when I say voicemail, Let me backtrack USA a minute. One of the worst things I've ever done in my life was give out my phone number on the air. I told you at the time when you did it, it was a really bad idea. What were you expecting? Like, what was the goal there?
To prove to Chuck that it didn't matter. Yeah, but he was right and it did. Chuck was right. Yeah. And then I started reading Chuck's number.
I go, I go, 414. He's like, stop. Chuck. I've said nothing. I've said absolutely nothing.
I would have also felt like Chuck in that moment. Same. 414. We're on Team Chuck on this, so keep going. My zip code is five.
Stop! Um Alright, so I got this. Uh voicemail on the not Carl's Place voicemail line. 402915 BART. I got it on my own phone number.
Which is what? Uh, nine two oh stop! State Park. Um, this is Scott from Baltimore. Um, I got some hot information.
I'm not sure if it's legit, but it's kind of crazy if it is, but I heard um. Giannis got traded to the Knicks. It's going to go public today, Saturday, later Saturday. I just wanted to get your thoughts on that, see if you knew anything about that. But I just put in some wagers on that Nix.
all we're in our game winning totals. uh next for the division And uh the bucks under. in wins for the season. Just uh Hope it's not true, but I think it is a pretty good source. Thanks.
Bye-bye.
So, for various reasons, I'm hot. The start of my weekend is ruined. This guy called my phone. I think Giannis is getting traded to the Knicks.
So, I go online and I'm searching Giannis Knicks, trying to figure out where this happened. And there's a tweet that goes. Rumors are hot on the dark web. That Giannis is getting traded to the Knicks. But you could say that about anything.
No one knows how to access the dark web. There is no dark web.
Well But nobody, I could just say, hey, I'm on the dark web, just saw this. And people are like, oh shit. And then there was somebody that photoshopped him following all these Knicks players. Mm-hmm. On Instagram.
But all you gotta do is look at Giannis' Instagram and there's no sign of that. But I'm like, you know, he's overseas. He said that weird thing about probably Milwaukee. It's very possible he could get traded at some point this offseason, although I think that window's passed, but still. You know, a guy's calling you at one in the morning, you're like, What the fuck?
And he called you with the same cadence and delivery that you'd call a radio show. That's my favorite thing, is like he spoke like he wasn't talking directly to your person. I wonder sometimes people Google me, they see the number. Oh Because there is a website, and I emailed them this week. I go, fuck you.
I'm coming after you. Yeah. Because I scrubbed all my stuff, but then there's still some that pop up. But whatever. Just just just be respectful.
If you're gonna if you're gonna find it And the people that I've given it to, you know, over the year that one time, they've been respectful. I don't mind. But 1 a.m. 2 a.m. Baltimore time.
Mind you. Then a half hour later, I got an email from someone else. Entitled Yadis Traded to the Knicks. I just took Knicks over game totals for season and division, and Bucks under game totals for season.
So. Two guys are telling me this, and two guys are also telling me they scored these over-unders. You want to get in because if the Odyssey traded the Knicks, the overs are going to go up. And the Bucs unders are going to go down.
So you have an opportunity to get an edge and make some money here. Mm-hmm. That's that's dollars. Yeah, so now I'm pissed that this trade rumor is on my ears. that people are rushing to contact me, and they're not contacting me to tell me.
Anything other than they took an over. And I just, it's blowing my mind.
So, I wake up thinking the next day Okay. Here we go. And then nothing happens. And it gets to be Saturday. At night.
And I'm like, you know what? Fuck this. Um they called me. I'm gonna text them.
So at Saturday around seven o'clock, the guy that called me. I said in Baltimore. Scott, I said, still waiting on this trade boss. Me too, very surprised. Info usually spot on.
Dear, I bet. I said, well, good luck sweating that $50 you threw on the Knicks. Wait, let me guess. Did he hedge? He has a hedge.
He has a plan to hedge. Grant, the following text is: I wish it was only 50, but I will hedge plenty of time. No big, of course, yeah. And then I said, if you need money so bad, just DoorDash for a weekend, Jesus Christ. Yeah.
Dude, I don't need money. It's a business. Doing it a long time. I said, leave me out of it. The email guy.
Wait, let me take a step back. Yeah. Didn't you not Because now the cat's out of the bag. Didn't you not tell this caller who you're now texting that you aren't Bart, that he called the wrong number? Oh, yes, right.
Initially. I had text him back that night pretending to be a wrong number. Just to But now, does he know that it wasn't a wrong name? Yeah, I don't fucking care. I don't know.
And then the email guy. I go.
Well first that guy started emailing that night. I said What are you telling me? He goes, a reliable source told me. I said, bro, you're not a reporter. What do you know?
Lose my number, bro. And then he said something I don't understand. And then on Saturday I said, did the trade go through yet? He said no. I haven't seen it.
And then last night I said still waiting. Haven't heard.
So I don't know. Maybe Giannis is getting traded to the Knicks. I had the word I think the worst part about all of this. I have so many comments.
Well, I fished around Very briefly with name. Oh, you did? I just said. I just said, look what this fucking guy is calling me about at one in the morning. And he goes, personal phone is crazy, man.
Yeah. Yeah. I think my lady. Nah, dude, there's no shit going on. He didn't do that, though, did he?
But. No. Did he send it to Jim O on Blue Sky? Yeah. Or Discord?
I forgot I forgot. I forgot. The Craziest, my least favorite part of that. Is that the proposed trade as you shared with me as a result of your Oh, yeah. OG for Macau Bridges.
OG and Macau Bridges for Giannis. Like, at first, I was like, okay, I'm like exploring, okay, let's do some trade machine stuff and see what actually works. And then in theory, Giannis, who doesn't really have a position, who is going to essentially maybe be the Bucs lead guard. Facilitator this year, assuming he's a buck. Do you need Brunson and Giannis?
Would the Knicks actually do Brunson that dirty? I mean, I think Brunson would get it. You would understand, oh, I mean, traded for Giannis. I must be a really good player. But Brunson gave up millions and millions of dollars so that the Knicks could sign all his friends and his former college teammates.
So I was like, okay, but you have to. I mean, Brunson has to be in it. You wouldn't. Towns wouldn't be in it, A, because, hey, girl. But I mean, hey, A, because.
Kat's not a player. Come on. Cath not a play I enjoy. But B, you just had you just had Miles Turner.
So like you wouldn't do that.
Well, it's not going to be OG and bridges because Why would the Bucs do that? There have to be a better offer. That would be just a step better. than the package that the Mavs got for Luca. Like if you're like, oh, who'd the Bucks get?
Bridge is an OG, but oh fuck. Like just What? That can't possibly be the deal.
So that was my least favorite part. The other thing that was surprising, and then, Grant, please share your thoughts on all of this. This is the first time of me hearing the voicemail itself. I think this guy, to Grant's point a few minutes ago, thought he was calling a station line because it was. I get a lot of phone calls on my phone.
He wasn't even being like intrusive or like, hey, is this really like your phone, man? Like, I haven't. Yeah, that's, I get a lot of phone calls. He was calling as a radio caller.
So I'm almost like ready to say. He didn't do anything wrong because he thought he was calling a A studio line or a voicemail line for the show or something. Yeah, but the issue with that, Paul, is that. People may not transgress me. Transgressive.
Tran they but I perceive it that way. That is a U problem. 'Cause I've got so many years of built up. And it was, it wasn't, it was, you know, like you said, you had just rang the Flintstone bell, you were done for the week. And then you had to Not only have that happened, but then it was terrible news had it been real.
Um So I am. I get it. But also Hearing the tone of his voicemail. uh helps his situation in my opinion. Grant.
Your takeaways. I just don't like the gambler brain. I have nothing against sports gambling. I just. A guy called last night to tell me that he lost his.
He's like, oh, the Hawks, they were 4-0 in Summer League, and then they didn't make the playoffs. I had him 50-1. I don't care. I don't care. It's like, it's like nobody, nobody cares about your fantasy team.
That was the thing for the longest time. I don't care about, and the fact is like, well, I want to let you know, you know, I got the division odds at whatever. It's like, dude, can you? No, I would.
So I would care. I would care. You probably would. The problem with you is you'd bet like four bucks. And it's like, well, what is this little exercise worth then?
If you're putting $4 on it, who cares? If you're like, Bart. I know this over is going to hit. I threw five grand on it. I shouldn't be doing this.
I took out money that I don't have. But I'm locked solid on this. But if you're just like, oh. I caught the Knicks. They're 49.5.
They might go up to 52.5, but I caught them at 49.5. couple Hyundai.
Well then what is I don't care go again, go work a sh shift at a bar. Yeah, DoorDash for a weekend. Just make extra. I just, I don't know. I don't care.
I have nothing against sports gambling. And if I was rich, maybe I'd do it. Richer, excuse me. I'm bathing in money, obviously. I just, I.
Well with that shirt. It's gotta be a part of Bukowski made fun of this last time. It looks like a shirt I wore for picture day in eighth grade. It just has to be a part of everything. I have that.
Everything has to come up and everything. Please get okay. There you go. Let's get this out of the way with at the beginning of the show. I like your haircut, by the way, Paul.
It looks good. I need a haircut this week. Your various views is short. See?
So here's me through the years. Eighth grade, there's the shirt. Same shirt. Yeah. Ninth grade.
Yeah. Eleventh grade, you were having a rough day in eleventh grade. What was wrong on that day? A nice junior smile. Good for you.
Where's the worst one? Oh, eighth grade. Seventh grade, no good either. It wasn't bullying that was cute. Yeah.
Why do you have that just ready to go? Because the last time my parents were here, they're like. Here you go. And I'm like, why? This is for you.
This is for me. Every time they come here, they're like... Here's something from your childhood. And then the last time it was like.
Something I gifted to them. I'm like, No, I gave this to you. I hate that. I love getting rid of that stuff. It's so freeing.
I'll take it back. I guess.
So I should be lighter on these people. Uh It maybe actually. Yeah. I just don't know that that exchange had to define your whole weekend, which is... W it Seemingly what happened.
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Now, I don't know when people are gonna tune into this, but There is a burger watch in southeast Wisconsin. If they have a lead after the sixth inning tonight, does it become a burger warning? At what point meteorolog meteorologically does it flip over? It's very uh Very good question. Miz is on the mound, they'll fucking lose.
Your boy Rob But this has to be like one of the greatest. promotions around because Anytime they get to like seven wins, people are talking about G Dub. Mm-hmm. And then I saw Dan Schaefer tweet, when's the last time you actually went there? That's like damn ten years ago.
But I'm going this time. You're not a true fan if you don't get a free is it just one free burger? Is that the deal? I do not know. I wasn't asking either of you.
I was just asking, I was asking the, I was asking the audience. Just generally. Yeah. So you want to talk brewers or you want to Pivot to And then we'll talk Ozzie at the end. Grant, you didn't have this news?
Sometimes you did, I broke it on the air. You did. Yeah. Break it, yeah. Chet Ozzie died.
That's big, yeah. No, I that's definitely cut in news. It is with all due respect. Oh, no. I'm deeply concerned what's about to come out of your mouth, as usual.
I feel like Ozzie's been died for a while. But he just had that show. But there's only rumors that are like, Ozzy's dead. Is he? No.
I mean, nine days ago he said, Mamma. Mama, I'm coming home. That's good sound. Did you watch the Osbournes? Not Really?
Like I would see clips and whatnot. Um Kelly at the time, Kelly Osborne was dating a guy of my favorite band, so Which one? Oh. Clerks. Yeah.
Burt McCracken was dating Kelly Osborne during that time. And then I did you see the video? The slipknot DJ proposing to Kelly? Backstage in front of Ozzie last weekend.
Okay. No, that did not come up in my curated for you page. That's not news that normally makes it my way. You gotta, I mean, this is this is this is the important thing. Did he propose with one of the ridiculous masks on his face, or did he have the decency to take the zipper?
Off of his head. There is no mask. There is no mask. No mask. Sid Wilson, by the way, is his name.
Brewers. Uh we asked I asked you guys Believe it or not, post-Kyle Kuzma trade. Remember when there were like really good post-Kyle Kuzma trade vibes? Remember that? When, like, three games into the Kuzma experience, everyone was pretty stoked?
I don't remember that. It's a true story. What? I mean, the good news is we have it, we have it on tape. We can go back and listen to like those fleeting moments when we were like, Kuzma was the missing piece.
And it was true for two or three games. But we I asked you guys, did you have mild bucks optimism? And we were all like, oh God, I think I do.
So here's how I'm going to phrase this for brewers. Who have the best record in baseball? and uh through 100 games. You have serious Brewer's optimism. You have significant Brewer's optimism?
Fill in the word for what you want to say, but you have a lot. of Brewer's optimism. And when I say it, I want you to be in the context of The things that could actually maybe be possible, not like small-scale stuff. Like, yeah, I think they could win 90 games. Like, no, like, oh, big.
You have a lot of brewers' optimism. Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm.
Well, I posted a picture of Contreras and the standings last night. Oh, and the look on my kid's face when he got to put the brewer's helmet number one this morning. Oh, cool. On our shelf. Oof.
Now it's but my wife said the same thing I initially thought. She goes. Oh, it's gonna be a tough way down. Yeah, first thought that I had as well. Um Look, this is exciting.
There's no way around it. It's an 11-game win streak. You swept the Dodgers before and after the All-Star break. You played well into the All-Star break, which I feel like we've been concerned about in the past. You played well out of the All-Star break with a little Brewers after dark.
Which hasn't been fun. Bruce is dead. And and and that's and you're wi like You're beating these teams. You're winning. These games.
So, this is very. Exciting. Um I just posted that picture. You know, someone said, You're hanging the banner already. Folks, I do not hang banners with the Brewers.
They hang banners and they make a wild card. season with twenty eight wins. Which I don't hate. They did make the playoffs, and that does deserve a pennant. If they're going to do it, they did it.
Um. Also, it just makes the park look better when there's more shit on the wall. It's like, why you get a bedroom? Like your studio, all the shit behind us is decorated. Yeah.
You know what I'm getting sick of though is podcast? That have like Thirty-nine bobbleheads in front of them. I blame Dan Patrick. Who dusts that desk? That's what his name is.
Ariel Hilwani, is that his name? Oh, yeah, sure. He's done that now. Just like Jesus. We got a couple new additions to the studio.
Romeo Dobbs had a signing at a. Card shop at East Town Mall last week. And Ibo, our morning host, went and didn't get anything related to Romeo Dobbs, but got this autographed picture of Jose Conseco. Wow. Who's on sale?
And also I mean Paul saw it. Paul get give it give it for Paul. Uh little show and tell. And also, a listener from Mondovi sent me a Fleet Farm Packers fridge magnet schedule. In the mail.
Sweet. Here, not to my personal address.
So that's what's adorning our studio. It does look better with more pennons. Mm-hmm. Um So I And then the people respond with, like, here's how they've done. You get excited about them, and then.
And then they let you down in the playoffs, right? But is there a butt coming? There definitely is a but. And I don't know why this changed for me. And I think having a kid is a part of it.
Because I was always anti-enjoy the ride. Mm-hmm. I want results. Yep. I want championships.
But then I also you can't like You can't ignore the moments that you're in right now of. In this moment, this is exciting. Yeah. I just ruined my reel that I was gonna make. Start over.
Start over. I forgot. But in this moment, in this moment, it's exciting. And there's joy of what they've done. There's hope of what they could do.
And one thing that I'm trying to do, because I do fear so many things. I'm just trying to live in the moments of happiness that I do find. And this is making me happy. It's making me happy to see Brewers fans happy. It's making me happy that I can go to the park to pick up my kid and have something with the other dads to talk about.
That's huge. Dad talk. There's a huge when your baseball team is good. as opposed to when they're bad. The level of small talk.
Like you go to like a Target or something, and you see someone wearing a brewer's hat. Normally, you're just like, oh, what the fuck? Who cares? I'm in Milwaukee.
Now you might be like. Free burgers, you're talking to strangers. Just by the baseball team being a little bit better. The whole vibe of the city is increased. Yeah.
And that is why you pay the $3.93 a year to build the stadium or whatever it costs. That is why it's Better to have a team than not have a team.
So with the vibes, I'm very excited about the vibes.
Now can this particular team do it? There does need to be some additions at the deadline. I think I mean I third baseman At a minimum. The Cubs are going to go out and get somebody.
So, if they like get sworn as if we can match with a McMahon or even Arenado, I don't give a shit. Yeah. There's gotta be somebody. There's gotta be. There's gotta be.
And this is something that I've heard in the dugout long ago. Um Even if you're not getting CC Sabathia. Or Juan Soto. If the brewers go through the trade deadline and it comes and goes. That's a message.
From the front office and from the general manager. But if they just even do whatever they take to add anything, like even with the Bucs. Just the fact that, yeah, we're doing some weird shit, man. We're stretching a contract for five years to go get Miles Turner. Like that will that will improve the morale of whatever team we have because They're saying we're still in it.
And if the Brewers' trade deadline comes and goes, you got to at least show the team. That you have confidence in them. I know that we've had bites of the apple, and I know that it hasn't come, and I know that I've said this team is never going to win a World Series. But But Something feel a little different though. Mm-hmm.
Something feel a little different though. Maybe because we're in chase mode? Yeah. But something does feel, Grant. A little bit different for me.
Pose the question one more time, Paul? The last time we said you were suffering from mild bucks optimism.
So I'll keep the theme and say you are suffering from serious brewers' optimism. Mm-hmm. Or moderate to severe suffering being the key word because you're optimistic to the point that It's hard to live up to that level of expectation because you've started to feel the feels of like, ah, this might be the time, this might be the year.
So think of it in that context. I think it does help that they're chasing. I like that take from Bart a lot. And that might mean that they end up as a wild card because I still think the Cubs are better. Doesn't mean the Cubs will win the division, but I think their offense certainly is more talented.
Their pitching is a real issue. Like they're running out of pitchers, especially if Ben Brown is going to continue to suck and he was bad the other night.
So I like that they have an opponent to chase, and I think that fits Murphy's MO and the way that this team operates better, anyways. I think they're better with someone to chase or someone to compete directly with. Sure. I don't know about the postseason. The pitching and defense and that stuff is there.
I think this offense. Has more of an identity than maybe the last couple. I don't know if they're good enough, but they have an identity, which I think helps. And supplementing at the trade deadline, I don't really want to take Caleb Durbin out of the lineup. I'd add another outfielder.
Joey Ortiz has been so good at short. He's a big reason why they've won the last couple of games.
Well, they don't need a pitcher because getting Nestor Cortez is going to be like getting.
Well, they they might not only They might not only need a pitcher, they might actually have to get rid of one or let one rot in AAA because they have so many. I, I will say just on the idea of enjoying the ride. What's up? What Freddy Frasuarez? Freddy for Suarez.
No. Mm-mm. I have very much enjoyed this ride. For two reasons. Number one, and I brought this up on my show a couple of times: like, this team.
Just owns Competition that are like in a funk. This happened with the Twins earlier this year when they were down in a bad way, or the Dodgers, they're down bad, they're injured, they're reeling, things aren't going their way. When you're in that place as a team. The last team you want to play is this Brewers team because they make you field all these little bullshit ground balls and they make you hit the cutoff and they make you do all this crap that you don't want to do when things aren't going your way. And like, I think John Heyman on MLB Network the other day said, You give them an inch, they'll take a mile.
And you saw that against the Dodgers, you saw it against the Twins the second time, the first time it was the opposite.
So that's funny, and I enjoy that. I also enjoy what they're doing to Cubs fans. If I was a Cubs fan, I'd be pissed. They had a brutal schedule in June. They went 500.
And I think they're 10 and 6 so far in the month of July. Pretty good. And they've lost a six and a half game lead in the division. And if I was a Cubs fan, I'd be like, what the? Yeah.
I think one of the moments from Monday um That I might look back on if this team does do anything. There was a play because, you know, I've got the game on, I'm trying to watch. The way Jelich like ran like he was being chased by a thousand bees. Yeah. To get home on one play was like.
If I'm getting that out of Yelly. You know, what does that mean I'm getting from everybody else? I was so pumped to see that. It's funny. And like game three against the Dodgers, I think they were up.
I don't remember what the final score was, you know, on Sunday. And you just have Blake Perkins and Caleb Durbin just dropping down bunts for base hits. And you know, Tommy Edmund is at third, going, God. Damn it. Like, why are you like, stop making me feel this?
Like, stop. Like, why are you? And they panda Murph, and he's just got this shit-eating grin on his face on the top rail of the dugout. Like, it's It is funny. What they're doing to other teams.
It's very entertaining. If I have to have a team that plays like this or relies too much on the home run ball and strikes out a lot, like, I would rather have this version of an imperfect team. They're much more fun to watch.
So what's your level of optimism then? I have a good amount of optimism. Because I think this offense is going to come and go, but this pitching is legit. I mean, what the fuck? Woodruff's just good.
Like, he's just the same Woodruff after being gone for over a year. Crazy. More or less on the optimism part is that I'm willing to let myself go there.
Well, that's that's, I mean, again, that's the suffering from dot dot dot part of it. Because are you willing to? Risk The pain of saying You know what? I'm kind of getting a this is the year vibe right now. And then that's where the hurt comes in because you've exposed yourself to.
the possibility of it not going that way. Yeah, I Depending on what word I would use like significant Brewer's optimism. Moderate to severe is the language that I think came to my mind. I like it. I was actually trying to think that I wish I would have thought of that before I asked the question.
I think mine would be closer to moderate. Than severe? But obviously growing by the day. Flare-ups happen too. What's that?
Flare-ups can happen too, or it could, you know, really ratchets up for a little while. I'm seeing the ad right now, as you describe it further.
So I'm on the moderate scale now. Obviously you need to. The winning streak won't last forever. You need to. be able to sustain winning after that once The current mojo subsides, which it will over the course of the next two and a half months.
Maybe not. Maybe they just ride this thing for three and a half months. That's the ultimate cope from Cubs fans. And I'm not someone who likes to stocks Cubs fans on the internet. I don't really care.
But when you hear people, well, you know, once the winning streak is over, then they're going to cool off. There'll be a losing streak. It's like, cope, cope, cope, cope, cope. That's what they said. You can't downplay an 11-game winning streak because, well, at some point, you're going to lose a bunch of games in Earth.
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That's SOFI.com slash P-O-W-E-R. Loans originated by SoFi Bank NA, member FDIC. Terms and conditions apply, NMLS 696891. The other question I want to ask about the brewers. Grant, you're Well, actually, Barr, you've been tracking the team more closely than you have in previous years.
You've been able to do that, which is fun. Um but grant obviously you track it very very very closely. I want to closely if you ask me. I want to make as I think I'm I think I'm going to make a suggestion. On the question of the Brewers' MVP through 100 games is.
And I don't Know who I want to suggest. I got one.
So, make the suggestion.
So, Bart, I'll let you do it. The brewer's MMA. Same through one down. The Brewers MVP through 100 games is. Sal Freelick, mm-hmm, or mm-mm.
Andrew Vaughan. By the way, Freelick, Freelich, we want me to speak Vaughn. Who do you want me to say? Peralta? Who do you want me to say?
No. Who do you want me to say? Who was the big reveal? Grant? No, you.
I'm not participating. Go ahead. You don't know. You don't know what I'm going to say. I know you know what I'm going to say.
I have a feeling I know what you're going to say, but I don't want to go wrong. No. Say it. You. Yeah.
He's asking you, you're going first. No, you say it, please. No, you hang up. Please. Not gonna.
Come on, I need the moment. I think the moment's long gone at this point. Say it. Maybe I don't know who you're going to say.
Well, who are you going to say?
Something stupid like either Matt Arnold or Bob Euchre. No, close though. Pat Murphy! Yeah, I suppose.
Okay. Top Hooker. Hey, smart ass. No, you know who I actually think the MVP is? I think you're looking at three of them right now.
I knew I could tell by the tone it was gonna be something better. The fans. Hang the number 10, the 10th man. Who's the MVP of this Brewers team? No, seriously, let's just stick just a position point.
You know what? If Mizarowski got the all-star game, you might as well give him the MVP. No, okay. Who is the Brewers' MVP through 100 games?
Now I'm just going to ask: who is it? Who are even the top three in some order?
Well, yellich. Yeah, Yelich. Yellich is like, you know, his numbers, his Freddy has 11 wins, by the way. Which, of course, is a strength. Freddy's wins.
No, it's not, Paul. Stop. Don't let the nerds tell you that. but I'm one of said people of whom you're referring. I led the charge on this before.
It was cool to lead the charge on this, but you go ahead. Freddy. Yellich. Sal is not a bad play. McGill I I brought up Yeah, maybe.
I brought up the- You know what? I'm gonna give it to Yelich.
Okay. I just feel like, and I said this last week or two weeks ago. The te the team is not I don't feel like this is anecdotal. I don't feel like the team can be good while Jelich is bad. And I don't feel like Jelich can be playing well, and then the rest of the team is bad.
Sure, sure. I feel like the team goes as Jelich goes. Yeah, I think that's fair. By the way, the reason I've used Freelix name, I think. I think Yellich is a perfectly acceptable maybe even the right answer.
Let me reposition it this, and then I'll give you some background. The MVP of this Brewers winning streak. Is Andrew Vaughan. Mm-hmm. Yeah, maybe.
Yeah. Probably. Yes. If you know about Way to Runs Created Plus, again, this is one where it's like 100 is the norm. Anything above 100 is good, anything below 100 is bad.
He's a 194. Andrew Vaughan is in a brewer's uniform. He's got how many RBIs in how many games? All right. I do.
I do. 12 RBIs in nine games, two home runs. He's got a 17% walk rate while only having an 8% strikeout rate. Like he basically is averaging. More than a double on any hit that he's had.
You know, like I don't know. It's of all these lame stats you like. Yes. Read Winsley's the best one, but go ahead. I do like war.
I do like that. He has created almost a half a win in nine games, which.
So Bryce Terang leads the team with 2.9. Are you are you on are you on baseball reference or fangrafts? Uh The four letter network.com.
Okay. I like Fangrafts, but uh by the way, FreeLick, according to everyone has their little formula differences. Free lick is fangrafts war leader for the brewers. Oh. 2.6.
How would they be different? They value defense a little bit differently in the defensive metrics, like. Fan grab defensive run saved versus the other defensive metric. Like one likes Terrain a lot and another one not so much. I also, I would just like to say that I think most defensive metrics are a crock of shit.
And the nerds do this to themselves because a player will make a diving catch, and then all the nerds on Twitter will be like, 99% catch prob. It's like, no, it's not. It can't be that. It can't. I will fight people on that.
You're being a bad jump. He dove to catch it. It can't be 99. You tell me it's 85. Fine.
It can't like the nerds just show off.
Someone robs a home run. And fucking one of those. For what it's worth, and Bart, I want you to tell me the one that you have up, but for fangrafts, the Brewers positional player wore. Leaders are Freelik, and then tied for second are Churio and Isaac Collins, with Terang right below them. Uh Durbin's two point two, Freelix two point two.
Freelick and Durbin.
Okay. Well, now this is just batting stats. This is not defensive.
Okay. That's fine. Defensive. Whatever. Either way.
The lowest one that cost us half a game was Vinnie Capra. Yeah, uh Fangress hasn't as minus 0.7. I mean, I think if this season's gonna be defined by shit like Jacob Mizorowski came and played pretty well, pitched pretty well, and then they just threw him in the All-Star game. Because no one else wanted to go, and he's a hard thrower. And then some guys like.
I don't want to go to the pen. Just get me out of here. And the brewers are like.
Okay, tomorrow. We'll get you out of here tomorrow. We've been trying actively already to get you out of here for a former number three overall pick. I was literally going to ask you next. I was going to say, The most important moment of the 2025 Brewers season is Aaron Zavali asking for a trade.
Mm-hmm. Or but then for Vaughan to come in. Right away and make an impact immediately. He had a home run against the Dodgers in the first inning that game. It's ridiculous.
Like If Savali gets traded and Vaughn's just like playing well, and it's like, oh, that worked out for the Brewers. But the fact that he made an immediate impact. Has been, you know, tortured. Like the fact that he's then producing, and really. A way that is funny, like laughable.
Yeah. Like I I can understand if you're if you're a Cubs fan. And you're watching this Brewers team. Over the last you know, three weeks with the all-star break. It's like, how are they doing this?
This is why it's funny: imagine the perspective of a Cubs fan. They're having their best season in forever, and they got to look over, like, oh, Of course, Andrew Vaughan's good for them. Because of course he is. Trevor McGill, who's been on six different teams, is like the best closer in baseball after they got rid of Devin Williams and Josh Hayter. Because of course he is.
Like it is fun. There's funny. There's a lot of comedic effect in sports if you just. Open up and allow yourself to laugh at things. Sports are hilarious.
This is hilarious. I do want to give some credit. to grant becoming like the initiator. of the Andrew Vaughan meme game. Mm.
You started it. That picture next to Mizurowski. God, that's the first image. And then now there's, of course, the one that goes around with. Andrew Vaughan and the thumbs up in the dugout, and him looking the way that he looks.
You know, like it just. He's 27, by the way. He's my age. Look at him and like, yeah. Hey man, he's toil.
He had to toil over the White Sox. You'd look like beat to hell, too, if you had to do that. But I mean, it's. I think in the NBA If a player is good, a player is good. I mean, there are situations that make an NBA player better.
Right? But I think where you're going with this. An NBA player, I think you're going to see what they are. I think the NFL is really dependent. Like, quarterback, like.
Especially But defensive scheme-wise, I think it's not like, oh, this guy was a bust at six overall. I think it's like, yeah, but like, look where he got stuck.
So I think that's true of football. Baseball, like you. Of course, top three picks like Andrew Vaughan can fail. in baseball, no matter where they go. But It's not a coincidence that you go from one of the worst franchises, one of the worst-run franchises in baseball, as a former third overall pick.
To then a very well run, Structured. Consistent. Franchise and immediately look like you should have been the number three overall pick all along, despite having just been traded for this. You know, Savali guy who like just refused to be a bullpen pitcher for the Brewers, and now. That is not And again, it's still a really tiny, teeny, tiny sample size for Andrew Vaughan as a brewer.
What do you want to revisit that draft? It was Adley Ruchman, Bobby Witt Jr., Andrew Vaughan. Yeah. JJ Blade. Riley Green, C.
J. Abrams, Nick Lodolo. Alex Manoa got drafted. Corbin Carroll at sixteen. Mm-hmm.
Who did we take? Oh, Ethan Small. I liked him. That was a mess. I thought he was going to be the next Darren Ashby, who I thought was going to be the next Corbin Burns.
But like even just along those lines, you know how like situationally dependent I think baseball careers can be. Sure. Pinching for sure.
Okay. Yeah. I mean, like, I know more about the Brewers' pitching staff than I do the other teams.
Okay, so I'll grant you that when I say this sentence. Even the Angels? Yeah. But if you're drafted by if you're a brewer, if you're a pitcher coming out of college or high school. And you have a good agent who's informing you about the league.
You you are thrilled to be drafted by the Brewers because They're going to get everything out of you. Like, the track record at this point is not. Coincidental. Like we're saying, like the Andrew Vaughan sample size is still small. The Brewers' pitching development sample size.
Is very large, relatively speaking, to the point where. Like I would be doing the type of thing where You know, I'm trying to steer my client to the brewers. I'm like, hey. He'll take a small, like, you know how, like the slotting system for baseball, right? Like, hey, he'll go under slot if Milwaukee will, hey, Milwaukee, will you draft him?
I'll go under slot for you. No, not for the other team, but for you, I will. Because you know your payday down the road is going to be bigger. Because that's how good the Brewers' development is. I would steer my client to the Brewers.
Well, and we're talking about. How good Andrew Vaughan has been. Like, Quinn Priester is probably the most shocking part of this team and their trajectory so far for me. Like, did you watch him against the Dodgers on Friday? Like, Jesus Christ.
It's one thing to like, oh, you had a good game against Cincinnati because you induced a bajillion ground balls and they all went right to infielders and it was an efficient, you know, seven-inning shutout. Like, it's another to strike out 10. At Dodger Stadium in a game that wasn't a blowout, by the way, it was one to nothing, I think, until the seventh or the eighth when Durbin hit that solo shot to center. And you've eaten Crow on Priester, so I won't rub that one in your face. No, I think I was still right.
They overpaid. He's been good, but they still paid too much. You can pay a lot of money for a meal that's delicious, but you could still pay too much. That's. what I'm holding on to there.
You have seen what's happened in the past three months. and still say overpay? Really? I'm actually just avoiding talking about it until when I have to address it, and sometimes I do, that's still my argument. Yes.
Okay. I don't even remember who he was traded for. That was actually Rodriguez. Player to be named later, and the comp pick. The comp pick is the key.
No one cares about the key. Balance round, A, Paul. You're okay with that? You know, that was. You, of all people.
Wait, I'm getting lectured on this by Paul Immig. What is this is even? Pocket protector, Paul. It's because Priest is still young enough where there's development. It's like he traded for a 36-year-old pitcher.
He still has development ahead of him. Um You get a million dollars if you're right. Nothing if you're wrong. The Brewer Season concludes with what outcome? Oh, they'll lose in the first round, but correct.
So, a million dollars, that honestly swear that that is your true answer. If I could win a million dollars based on the outcome, I would predict that. Yes. Betting on anything else would make me so angry I'd kill myself after the fact, even if I, you know. I'm going to bet on what happens.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. But can't wait. What if you get a million dollars that they lose in the first round? And you bet on that.
or three million dollars that they get to the world series Um I would say like I'm so happy I've just made a million dollars. Grant is pausing. Oh, wow.
Okay. So, okay.
So, we found the ceiling of your optimism, and it's look, if they go get Eugene Osuarez and they have like a second legitimate bat in this lineup, but when. Tell me how that would work out. How and where is he playing? I don't know, I don't I'm not paid enough to make that hey, who's to say we were missed state grant? What am I taking?
What? We're mistaken? We could get a buy. Uh Oh, I suppose. Does that count though?
It seems like we're focusing on the wrong thing. You know what? I mean, from a. You guys are the gambler.
Well, Bart's the gambler. You tell me how that would play out if it was like, well, you weren't wrong, but you also weren't right. You just say they would lose in the first series that they. participate in would probably be my bet. Um Maybe that's just a Okay.
I don't know. Eugenia Suarez has 35 home runs. I think you can find a place for him to hit and contribute. DHM. I don't care.
Where does Yellowch play then? Jelich is not 77 years old. He's capable of playing left field every once in a while. Have you seen his defensive metrics? I don't believe in defensive metrics.
We already discussed this, except for the Isaac Collins ones, because those are really good. I believe in the defensive metrics that help my agendas, and the rest of them are. By the way, I'll just ask you this just for trivia. Uh grant, you can go first. We did the position players for the brewers based on fan graphs war.
Who do you think are the top two in order? You have to get it in order to get it right. for the Brewers pitching staff in war this season. Fangraft's war. All that stuff is calculated.
I mean, I guess it's just my way of asking. Who would you guess? Yeah, I know, but like, Arive. No. Well, it's gotta be a starter.
I mean, Mears has led the team in appearances. Not McGill. McGill is four, rebase six. They need Freddy and Freddy probably. Freddy's number one.
2.3 F war. Mirrors number two? Mirrors is three. Priester? Is five?
Is it a starter or a lever? Uh starter. Is it Ms? No, he doesn't pitch enough. I was gonna say.
Not cantana. Is it Chad Patrick still? Chad Patrick. Of course, it is. Uh 2.0 for his foir.
Oh, his four. I don't know if it's actually, I was just kind of being a shit about it. No. What do you think are some other big topic items that we should? Just at least give lip service to I was gonna say, but just for a quick minute, but like By the next time we do this, Training camp starts.
Well training camp, doesn't it start tomorrow? Yes. The Packers back at the practice field. The Packers. The Packers moved to the Don Hudson Center today with some rainstorms in the area, or because of the potential heat wave.
I know one of the most annoying Yeah, annual things. I can't believe it's already training camp season. I just can't believe it, though. I mean, it was just. Yeah.
No, but having said that.
Now, one of the conspiracy theories is that time is speeding up, Paul. It does feel that way. And also if you're getting older. Right. It's twofold though.
That's where we put it. I don't think that we live in the same universe that we did when I think something happened. Either that CERN, you know, they're messing with the nuclear molecules. Over in Switzerland. Or there's some theory that something happened in like 89.
Something is wrong. Let me just say that.
Something is wrong. Okay. We're not Or maybe it's me. Did you hear this story? I don't know if it was true, but it would be fucked up if it was.
Um This guy got into a big accident. Went to the hospital? And then like Got out of it. You know, lived his life. Married somebody.
Had a kid. And then, like, he started noticing that there was something fucked up with one of the lamps in his house. Oh God, is this a real story? I don't know. I heard it, but I don't.
Know the origin of it. I'm not liking it. And he started to be like. Really bothered by it. And it eventually like consumed him.
And his wife's like, what are you doing?
Something is wrong with this. And then You know, it got him detached from the kid. He lost his job. And eventually he goes. Holy fuck!
This is not real. And then he woke up from his coma all the way back to that accident. Imagined his wife. Imagined his son. Who never was real, WandaVision style.
I don't know. It's a fucked up story. I hate this. Yeah. Could you imagine if you just woke up and you were really, no, really?
Stop. I'm sorry. Stop. Well, I just saw Interstellar, so that freaked me out the other way. I never have and never will watch it.
It's overrated. Don't listen to what everybody says. It's not that good. It's like it's not even about it being overrated. There's certain subject matter that I cannot emotionally tolerate.
It's not even a top three Christopher statement, but like there's certain topics I just can't. And I know what that one is, and I can't. Everyone's always like, it's the best, the greatest movie. It's like, it's not even like Christopher Nolan has like five movies that are better. Christopher Nolan is my favorite director.
And also, I've stopped saying I re-watched a movie. I started to say I revisited this film, and it's really helped me feel more like portentious fuck. Right now, after seeing Superman, I'm discovering Peacemaker. Oh, okay. Did you watch that?
Uh no. No. I mean, I don't really, I don't really want to watch John Cena do stuff. Do you know what I've?
So I've watched one episode of Peacemaker, season one. And my initial thought was. Fucking Cena's a good actor now. Really? Yeah.
Hmm. I think he's a good actor. I've seen that one scene that all the reels say he improvised in Peacemaker, where he just listed off like 30 names. Do you know what time? I don't know.
I couldn't even give you much more reference than that. Fantastic Four has 89% initial Rotten Tomatoes rating. Do you know James Gunn was married to Jenna Fisher? A long time ago. Like when she was like 20, right?
Yeah, I did know that. He was the original boy. James Gunn put her in one of his early movies. I remember seeing it like 25 years ago. Blades of Glory?
No, before well well before Blades of Glory. Like before the office. Yeah. Yeah, now he's married to some chicken peacemaker who's 20 years younger than him. And James Gunn really starting to look like my dad.
Yeah. What girl is the silver surfer? Is that Jennifer Garner? No, I don't know her name. Is the lore is that they're Is More than one silver surfer, right?
I don't know. But you never used to be a female. I'm literally asking: are there more than one silver surfer? Is that why? Is that the story?
I think there's just one. I don't know. I never read the comics. I just know the movies, including the one where he goes, Oh, it's cheaper. Gotta say, it's pretty fantastic.
Say that again? I said it's fantastic. The Fantastic Horror. Was that like 2000? That was a 2015 movie that sucked.
Everyone, yeah, they yeah, that one that everyone's now people are going back and liking the Chris Evans, Jessica Alba.
Well, those are the ones that I knew the best, obviously, because they came out during a certain time period of my early 20s. Um But that, yeah, the follow-up was called Rise of the Silver Surfer, and then Yeah. Are you going to go this weekend? Do you have tickets? I'm going Thursday at 2 o'clock.
That's the BART time. Yep. Kid or no kid? No kid. Are you gonna like if you if it passes like the He's old enough for this test.
He doesn't want to watch these movies. Oh, yeah?
Okay. He'd rather watch on YouTube guys dress up like the Avengers and fight. YouTube shorts is big. And someone without a current T V in their bedroom, I Really there's a lot of good entertainment on YouTube if you just know how to work the The things although he's on a two-week YouTube ban, that was his punishment for. running across the street without looking into traffic the other day.
That was fucking sweet, dude. We just used to get a belt on our behind, and now we have our iPads taken away. It's good to hear what this world's coming to. That's uh that's that's the type of story though, Bart, that gets you a a whole extra counseling session, isn't it? Yeah, again, I feel like I've hit a wall with that.
I Don't know what to do now. Are you taking your meds? No, I got back off of them. You idiot. I just forget about it.
Fucking set a daily alarm. I'm honestly pissed. What are you doing? I got my meds. If I take them, they make me tired.
So what? Take them at night. I'm already on no sleep. No sleep. That was Kramer.
Do I need to I'm gonna you know what I'm gonna set an alarm. And you're gonna spec me? Yes. Okay. Cheers.
I feel like Dr. House these days. I'm walking around the office popping pills, and I'm using my crutch to open elevators. Uh How h did you talk about your injury publicly? On my show, yeah, but I'm sick of talking about it.
I broke my foot. It's not the end of the world. Yeah. How long are you hobbled, though? What month ago?
Like a month. I don't know. Where do where do I have to go? What do I have to do? It's fine.
I'm off the crutch though.
Now I'm just hobbling. Why don't you try a walking stick? Also wasn't also wasn't the crutch like cool? Yeah, but i you'd be shocked to know, Paul, it does get old rather quickly. Everyone told me I should get a scooter.
I said I'd rather I'd rather Yeah. Matt LaFleur used one of those when he blew his Achilles. I had to use one of those for for a little while after a torn hamstring. No shame.
Okay, Chris Middleton, what how'd you tear your hammy? The flag football. Oh, good for you. All right. My glorious athletic accomplishment.
I had an interception. Went to go back the other way and boop. Down I go.
Well, this was a joy. It's fleeting moments of joy in your life. I'm glad that we provided each other one. I hope someone messages you, Bart, and says, Oh, you really enjoyed that? Why did you enjoy that?
That was, you shouldn't be enjoying just a simple conversation. Can't do it. What is happiness? It's a moment before you need more happiness. Yeah.
This dopamine culture. I got my dopamine and my serotonin hits. Yeah. My deposits. All right.
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