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My name is Bart Winkler, and this is the Bart Winkler Show. Let's get into it today. We are going to talk to Ryan Horvat. Horvet and I have been. Horbrett and I have been really Like Sym symbiotic?
Symbioso We've agreed on a lot of things when it comes to the Packers. The last couple of years. I mean, especially, we had no better night of being on the same page in that 2020 draft. We thought it was terrible. Every pick was bad.
That included Jordan Love. But as the years have gone on, we have gone separate. Him much more committed to Rogers. Me much more anti-Rodgers. Him and I have some things to talk through.
So we will do that after the Jets visited Rogers the other day. You know, now I'm in the point where. I don't know when a decision will come. It feels like a decision or something's going to happen this week. I'm worried when I post these that something will happen.
After I post it to make it super irrelevant, including in the overnights. You never know. But we'll see. When it happens, we'll deal with it. And if he comes, I just don't know how he comes back now.
I mean,. He's hosting the Jets out at his home. That's he's gone. And so I think it's a matter of compensation and how many of Roger's buddies he can get to get thrown into the deal. We'll see.
It's weird. Uh will be interesting. But we'll find out.
So, Horvot and I will talk later, maybe put something. On the line financially, as we are known to do. Grant Bill's going to join us today, too. We're going to talk some NBA. Just look around the league.
Talk a little about that MVP stuff. I talk about the Bucs. and what we've learned from them in the last couple of weeks. And why If you're going to overreact to anything, overreact to how good and deep they are. Not not the It's like the Bucs are this really good team and we focus on But I'm worried about that tiny thing instead of being like, hey, they're good.
We should be talking about that a little bit. Then there's the news of last night, or at least the game of last night. The Wisconsin Badgers are. Eliminated from the Big Ten tournament. Condolences to Tim Shea, who went to the United Center.
in Chicago was planning for at least I mean, best case scenario, you're there all weekend if you're going to ride this team in the Big Ten tournament. Uh but now he may be home by uh By Ohio State's next game.
So, really disappointing. Effort for Tim Shea. Who did go down to the United Centre? Badgers lose 65 to 57. At one point they were down 27.
They did go on a 19-2 run. Ohio State was stuck on fifty five points from eleven oh three to four twenty seven. Around 420. Either way, that's like six minutes. But the Batters can capitalize.
They got close. You can't spot a team 27 points. That's a problem. There was a play late where it looked like Connor Segin. I mean, you don't know if the three is going to.
go down or not, but He had a chance for a three and then he just kind of like ran it. into the paint fell over. I tweeted, like I always say, if you have a chance at a wide open three, run the fullback dive instead. Ben Fuller tweeted, right? Because a segment has hesitated to shoot the three ball all year.
Nice take. And to which I said, sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. I usually don't waste my time watching this. I will defer back to you.
So, Ben Fuller. Look, I don't have the scouting report on Connor Sejan. I just watched a game. And I watched a little bit of it as I was giving my kid a bath, and then I watched the very end after bedtime.
So my apologies for not. committing myself to a Badger team. that had the Most lethargic seventeen fourteen season one could have. And I think that should wrap the book up on Wisconsin, right? I mean.
Unless something ridiculous happens. Greg Gard said before the game to Andy Katz. On the Big Ten network. Um I think we're good enough that we can lose and still get in. Great mentality.
I'm not rushing in to fire him. You know, some people are trying to like make a career on Trying to get Greggard fired. I just. I don't know. The similarities between this program and the Badger program are different, but who are you going to hire?
Who's going to be the big splashy name? The ex-Syracuse coach. Jim's left coaching, Boheim. I screwed it up. Jim's left coaching behind that's easier to do on Twitter.
So, I mean, who's the Luke Luke Fickle out there? I don't know. Does every program, do we need to, do we need, does every, Like, guard deserves probably another year. Right, we don't need to. When you're remodeling a house, you don't do every room at once.
He did the living room. That's fickle. He did the downstairs bathroom. That's this hockey coach that got fired, which. lot of people were really invested in.
Well And then, like, guard is like remodeling the basement. You can get through the basement a little longer, remodel it next year. Yeah, enough money tied up elsewhere. If Grey Guard got fired, I'd be like, oh, man. And if you got If he stayed, I'd be like, all right.
I just I don't have it within me. To Have the discourse about whether Greg Gard deserves another job or not. That's not for me. That's not I don't got it in me. Frankly, because I don't really care.
I mean, if Greg Guard's the coach, sure. If he's not, okay. They were good enough to make a run and then. They're not good enough to win the game. I mean, they're not sometimes your team's just not good.
You got to fire the coach every time your team's not good. And I don't know. I don't know the answer. I'm not advocating one way or the other. I'm not on a side.
I'll let the guys like Ben Fuller figured that out. I'm not, I don't care. I don't Always think you need to fire a guy just 'cause he has one bad year though, but Hey, Chris McIntosh era. Yeah. King Barry.
I love how King Barry like Oh, Bo Ryan, now Greg Guard. My hands are tied. I can never fire him. He could have fired him at any time. I I d I don't I don't I don't know about that.
I personally don't think he gets fired, but Who knows? I saw some of you like him firing McIntosh firing the hockey coach is like It was like you just lost your V. It was like such a huge moment for you. I mean, to each their own. I just, I'm not there.
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So Brandon lives in Shorewood. He's been commenting on the show. He was on the other night from Frisco. He was wearing Packer stuff and eventually went out to a bar right next to the Cowboys practice facility, I believe. He had said that he was going to go try to get credentialed to the conference USA tournament, which is right there.
Um To normally get credentialed to these things. You need to apply far in advance and be a reputable media outlet. Which Brandon tried to convince. The conference USA ticket gate that he was. He sends me this video of him.
Making the play. Kudos to Brandon for trying. Here's Brandon.
Alright far, here goes nothing, alright? I was just wondering how I go about getting credential for the basketball tournament. Yeah, but Yeah. like through the school or the conference.
Okay.
Okay, I'm part of the Bart Winkler Show. It's based out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. It's nationwide, it's a big sports radio show.
So, how would I go about getting hidden my uh my badge.
Well we can Issued that you again, that's issued by the conference themselves.
Okay, I'll reach out to them then. Oh, thank you. All right, so pretty good effort. I mean, he tried. The effort was there.
Definitely tried. And you never know, you get these guys at the ticket.
Some are brighter than others.
Some don't give a. S. And so maybe they would have like drawn him up a ticket and let him in. He tried. Valiant effort.
So the Bart Winkler Show. has been credentialed by We've tried three times. Milwaukee Panthers in. Toby tried. On his own with the Packers, did not work.
Brandon tried at the will call window for Conference USA tournament. Did not work.
So I'm one for one. Collectively, we're one for three.
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With Ryan Horvott. Are we good? What do you mean? You and me. Why?
Why wouldn't we be good? You're taking all your Rogers stuff out on me. You had a terrible take on social media, and I told you it was a terrible take. You literally said you don't care what they get in return for a first ballot Hall of Fame or a guy that just won back-to-back MVPs. And you say that you just want Rogers gone.
that the pattern matter. That's fine. You you gotta get something. You need multiple first-round picks, or it was the dumbest trade in NFL history. I think trading Aaron Rodgers is just borderline fucking stupid, to be quite honest.
He's going to have a monster fucking year. And then you idiots, you really want to see him go do that elsewhere. That's on the right. This is the exact same thing. You have to trade.
The guy who's only got one or two years left when you have a guy that's younger and I mean, you tell me Jordan Love couldn't do what Aaron Rodgers did last year? I don't know. I've never seen Jordan Love play football. Because Rogers wouldn't sit down. because he knew that Jordan Love would be good.
You don't sit, you don't you play anyway. Don't make me like this, is the problem with the Rodgers thing. I'm not saying love's going to be a Hall of Famer, I'm not saying it's going to be good. What kind of pussy sits out if you're the starting quarterback of a football team? You go out there and you play football every week.
Like No matter what position you play. Like that's These are modern-day gladiators. That's why I love Rogers. That's why I loved watching FAR. Look at those injury reports: broken thumb, broken hand.
concussion. Like That's why the guy was a legend. I know he's a mess off the field right now. And this is the same thing. This is like the same situation all over again.
And I rooted for Favre that first year. In New York. I didn't root for him when he went to Minnesota. But I did root for him when he was jet. Uh, and that's how I feel about Rogers.
I'm gonna root for Rogers this year, and I'm Excited that it looks like he's going to end up going to New York because now he has a chance to win a Super Bowl. I've already bet. 100 bucks on the Jets to win the Super Bowl at 22 to 1. I bet 50 bucks on the Jets to represent the AFC plus 550. I think it's a guarantee that Rodgers wins at least 11, 12 games.
They'll win the division over the Bills. Absolutely. Kind of out on the Bills. You have a top five, top 10 defense with the Jets, all those skill position players. Like you said, you don't care about the package, so nobody's going in return.
It's not like you're getting stocked down there.
So it doesn't matter. Jets are stacked, baby. J-E-P-S, Jets, Jets, Jets. I may not. I can't I gotta tell Sparky today.
I may not watch a Packer game this year. But you're the co-host of Kurt and Long on the Odyssey. What what's this?
Okay.
Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. You uh Aren't you an owner like me? I mean, like, I s I'll always love the Packers, but I'm pretty upset right now.
So Like Rogers wasn't good last year. Are you aware of that? Yeah, they traded away Devontae Adams like a bunch of fucking idiots. They let him go to the Raiders, they franchise tagged him, and then. They traded him away.
He's the best wide receiver in the entire National Football League, and they just traded him away. And I was like, okay.
Well, maybe they could go with the Chiefs model. The Chiefs model was. And I read. Um I read those. I got to get into a couple different things, actually.
I'm glad that you're having me on because I got a couple bones to pick. And I think that you knew what you were doing when you asked me to jump on here. First things first: no, Rodgers wasn't very good last year, he was awful. I want to say one thing first. What?
Rogers clearly doesn't care about the environment, making the Jets officials burn a bunch of fuel to go cross country for a meeting that could have been a Zoom. Yeah. Yeah. The Jets are dude. I'm not getting enough attention from Green Bank.
Maybe I can get all the Jets to fly out here. They have shown more love already. To Aaron Rodgers. In 24 hours, than the Green Bay Packers have in the last 17 years.
So here's the thing: no, Rob years ago. And they gave him that contract for no reason.
Okay, yeah, and there's a couple different things we're going to get into here then. Good. Because Rogers sucked last year. Uh he had a broken thumb on his throwing hand the majority of the season. Uh his So, like the Chiefs, they trade away Tyreek Hill and they go out and they get Juju Smith-Schuster and MVS.
The Packers trade away Devontae Adams only to bring in Check's notes, Sammy Watkins, right? Yeah, Sammy. He's solid. He has not played a full season since Check's notes. Oh, 2016, his rookie year.
That was the last time that Sammy Watkins ever played 16 games in a season.
So he was fucking awful. And then you had Christian Watson. First play of the season. Perfect fucking ball from Aaron Rodgers. Drop.
Terrible. And then Christian Watson couldn't stay on the field.
So, yeah, Christian Watson was awesome. After week 11, but he just couldn't stay on the field. He was hurt every single week. And it would be, oh, well, we had this drawn up for Christian Watson this week. 87% of our plays were for Christian Watson, and then he got hurt on the first drive.
Offense went to shit. Romeo Dobbs, way too inconsistent. Just drops. You can't, if you're a veteran quarterback 37, 38, like Brady isn't throwing balls to rookies, right? Like Matt Ryan There's no excuses.
Rogers sucked last year. The team sucked. The offense sucked. It wasn't It was no good. Here's my problems, okay?
So, Jordan Love, I want him to ball out. I want him to be good because I like Jordan Love. But even if he's good, it doesn't matter to me. Like, you guys, everybody could come at me on social media. It doesn't erase the fact that it was a stupid fucking pick.
It was a big problem because they went to the NFC championship game that year and they gave up 300 yards on the ground. We could not be more in agreement. That was a bad thing. With half of a fucking brain, fixes the run defense, which again this year, 32nd in DVOA, right? I thought this was a top 10 defense.
Goots wasted all those picks, but nothing ever comes back to Goot. Savage sucks. Is Stokes any good? Uh, you know, like other than Gary on the defensive side of the ball, I like Jair, but he wasn't as good this year.
So, I'm just saying, like. Uh I just, the Jordan Love pick, it never made sense. It didn't make sense because you had just paid Aaron Rodgers, right? They had just given him a four-year deal. And then you knew he was going to ball out because that's what he does when he plays with the chip on his shoulder.
He has two MVP seasons. and you pay him again. And you pay him again.
So like. That's why I didn't like the Jordan Love pick. And I was right about Jordan Love. He was a three-year project, the general manager of the football team and the head coach. Did not know Jordan Love was capable of being an NFL starting quarterback until last season.
And then it was Oh man, we kind of like what we have in Jordan Love. But the year before, they weren't sold on him.
So they extended Aaron Rodgers and gave him more money.
So I wasn't wrong. Jordan Love was a project. And hopefully he does work out. But I think everybody needs to pump the brakes a little bit. Slack.
Even if Jordan, let's say Jordan Love has as good of a year. Let's just put the bar at Geno Smith. That's an awesome year. If Jordan Love goes out there and if he is as good of a year as Geno Smith, Like, and he's the starting quarterback for the Packers. Are the Packers good enough to still win nine, ten games, or do do they suck?
No, the NFC is terrible. That's why I want Rodgers back, because now he's pissed off.
Now it's year two for Christian. Watson and Romeo Dobbs. You could draft the tight end in the first round. You could go out and get. Michael Marada, Notre Dame, or Kincaid, or any of those guys.
And I think they'd be much better this year. But it's full rebuild time or it's rebuild on the fly team. I still think they could win games with Jordan Love. Again, I'm rooting for Jordan Love to be good. I like the Packers.
I just. I'm a little let down. They're trading away my favorite player of all time. I actually am a loyal fan. I show loyalty.
Uh, I get that you guys are all celebrating, you're all excited. But I'm loyal to the Packers, you're loyal to a guy, it's the same thing that happened 15 years ago. I'm loyal to the same guy that was loyal to the, like, he played on one leg, he played with a broken leg. I mean, he played with how many different injuries? He rushed back from a broken collarbone.
And people shit on him because he was terrible against Carolina years ago and they missed the playoffs. How many other quarterbacks like returned for that game? He played her every single year. Every year there was a new injury. And also, he was fucking awesome.
I had a lot of fun watching Aaron Rodgers play quarterback for the Packers. I wish there was more than one Super Bowl. But it doesn't erase like all the good times, like watching with my family a Hail Mary Pass to win a game. Uh Like beating the Bears. I know that it's just the Bears, but like beating the Bears twice every year.
That's fun to me. Watching him just yell at a bunch of innocent bystanders that sells your field. I fucking own you. Like, that's why I like football. That's why we root for these teams.
I'm big Rogers guy. Secondly, one thing I hate: player X interviews. If you don't have the fucking balls to put your name next to your fucking quote, you're irrelevant. You're a huge pussy, and I don't want to hear from you. Known uh somebody within the Packers organization.
Says that Aaron Rodgers pissed on their toilet seat and also. grabbed their girlfriend's ass. He made a rude remark about their wife. None of that shit's true. Like you're a coward.
Put your name next to it. Romeo Dobbs says this, at least, like when Deshaun Kaiser. Wanted to talk about how Rogers is a weirdo. He went on the podcast and put his name on it. Like, I hate the Player X interviews.
I'm a little worried about some of the Green Bay Packer bloggers because all it's been the last four years, bitch about Rodgers. Bitch about Rodgers. It's Jordan Love time.
Now Rodgers is gone. The bad guy's not here to hurt you guys anymore.
So, what's going to be the excuse if they don't win a Super Bowl the next 10 years? Then Jordan loves a big choke artist, right? He's no good. He's a complete bust. He has to win a Super Bowl in 10 years, right?
Because Rodgers only won one Super Bowl. Favre only won one Super Bowl.
So, like now, Jordan Love, look at the pressure you guys have put on Jordan Love. He needs two, right? I'm just asking questions. I don't know. I don't like that you're lumping me in with everybody.
You hate like you were you were team you were We were always, it was you and I on the same side. You switched up, you hate Aaron Rodgers. I'm fine with that. I'm just asking you for Jordan Love. To have a successful career in Green Bay, does he need to win two Super Bowls?
I think that the pick. was bad. And I always said the only way to justify that pick would be if Jordan Loves wins the Super Bowl and Aaron Rodgers wins the Super Bowl in the next three years. Because what you have done is you have shown Rodgers that the team is good enough that we can just blow a first-round pick on your future that won't start for three to four years.
So the season, it's already a failure. But for love.
Now he pro he needs to No, I think he just needs one Super Bowl. But then it okay.
So, why was it different for Aaron Rodgers? I'm just asking.
Well, at the beginning of Rodgers' career, I would have said Rodgers just needs one Super Bowl for it to be a success. But now he's played so many years and had so many chances and come up short. Let me ask you this really quick. If Aaron Rodgers is just the same old Aaron Rodgers from seven, eight years ago, right? If he's just hanging out with Bronny.
If he's like, you see him at the Bucs game, you rarely hear from the guy except for when he's on like Tuesdays with Aaron, with Jason Wildie. Do you hate Aaron Rodgers this much? He had a bad year, but he also had two MVP seasons before that. Do you hate Aaron Rodgers as much if he's not on McAfee? If it isn't for the COVID stuff, which I know you hate.
I'm trying to, I don't care that he did not get vaccinated. What I didn't like about that was he went to the podium and said, I've been immunized. You want to talk about putting your name on it? Bro, you're just going to get the vaccine. That's fine.
Put your name on it then. Don't be like, oh, I've been immunized to deflect and then blame the reporters for not following up. You purposely lied, just like you lie when you say folks, just like you lie all the fucking time.
Well, okay, so like for that though. I mean, he didn't want to come out and say, don't get vaccinated. He literally said that. He's like, I did my research. I did my own research.
Right. And some people think he's loony or whatever. but he wasn't marching around like, don't get the shot. The government's putting chips in your brain. He's doing that now.
He just wanted to keep it a secret so people didn't treat him like this because now everybody hates Aaron Rodgers. Like, he's nothing's ever been the same since then.
So he didn't want to get vaccinated. He loved that. He's like, oh, I'm going to get canceled. He had an 18-minute manifesto about how he was going to get canceled by the whole mobile. It was the same stupid.
Branding traps that, like, everything's woke. Everything's, I mean, what are we doing?
Well, that's because everybody started like fucking killing him and crushing him. He didn't get canceled for a minute. I didn't really want it to be canceled so he could play the victim more. I hated that part of the pandemic. Like, that's personal.
Like, we shouldn't have even known about his vaccination status. I get then, then, like, he had to sit out for the 10 days, but that was always bullshit. Like, we didn't need to know who was vaccinated. Who wasn't vaccinated? It was a little extreme.
It wasn't like he was Cole Beasley. Like, oh, I'm not playing. Or it wasn't like he was Kyrie Irving. Like he was just, hey man, I don't really want to put this in my body. And then everybody crushed him, everybody killed him, and it's just went.
So on and so on and so on.
So much to now, where I'm blogging everyone online that thinks there's so many people that anytime I say anything about Rogers, even if this is the first time they've ever seen my Twitter, they assume. That if someone doesn't like Rogers, it's because he didn't get vaccinated. Can we show a little more like. Uh Can we just not be so stupid? Why don't you like Aaron Rodgers?
Seriously. I don't like Aaron Rodgers because he only won one Super Bowl. I don't like Aaron Rodgers because he did not get the vaccine. I'm just kidding. Don't cut that part.
I don't know, I'm glad you asked me this because Uh Bodie. Our friend Bodhi. Nick? Yeah. Body 911.
Okay, gotcha. He really does not think I have done a proper. Analysis on why I don't like Aaron Rodgers. Neither do I. I agree with Bodhi.
All right, so I will tell you right now, and if you want to accept this, you can accept this. And if you don't want to, you don't have to.
Okay.
I I think Aaron Rodgers is a good person. He's not a bad person, like Favre's a bad person. Yeah, Favre's a piece of shit, like an awful human being. Rogers is a good dude that's misunderstood. Go on, I'm sorry, Rogers.
Rogers is a good dude. He helps out. He's a he's great when he I mean Rogers is a tremendous Human. He's a great human. Yes.
Rogers has qualities. in him as a person. That I don't jive with, okay? Basically, everything I don't like about a person, he has.
Now, that doesn't make him, that shouldn't make me not. Like that shouldn't so, hey, not everyone gets along, you know? On God's green, not everyone gets along. What I don't like about Rodgers is that His Insecurities. Have projected this image that has taken over the Green Bay Packers.
He's insecure. He's an insecure guy. I'm diagnosing this. I don't know what's happened in all of his relationships. He seems to, again, like I've always said, be a personality chameleon.
The stuff he's saying right now, because he's hanging out with Aubrey Marcus and Joe Rogan, are different than things he said five years ago when he was hanging out with Mercedes Martellis Bennett, are different than the things that he said 10 years ago when he was hanging out with Ryan Braun. He just, his personality personality change. He just I want Rodgers. Like, who is Aaron Rodgers? This is what I'm saying.
Who are you? I don't know who you are. I know who you are. You're a different person in different groups of people. Who is Aaron Rodgers?
What are your beliefs? What do you care about? 10 years ago, Aaron Rodgers gets the COVID shot. That's not why I don't like him. But now it's a different guy.
It's a guy that wants to be misunderstood. He's not misunderstood. He's very understood. You have insecurities about something. You keep chasing approval.
You're making the jets fly out to you. Because the Packers wouldn't do it this year.
Well, I don't think that's a good idea. I don't like what I don't like. What I don't like. Is that He has become such a time suck. And you could I mean, yes, my job.
Has been. I mean, we I'm a sports guy. Aaron Rodgers is a big story in that.
So it's always every time, like the Jared Stillmans of the world, the John Allway reports. The cleaners at his house, the golf membership getting renewed, him going on this podcast, him doing a darkness retreat, him flying the jets out. If every 36 hours there needs to be new Rogers content. And I think that it's not all his fault, but he does a lot to do that. I'm just saying as a fan.
Here's my absolute take on Rodgers. I think he's insecure. I don't think we know the real Rodgers. I think that he needs help. I think that I need help.
For my obsession with the fact that I think he needs help. I don't want him to be my quarterback anymore because I'm tired of the The off the field stuff and the attention is not worth what we're getting in return on the field. And I want to move on. I want to move on from Aaron Rodgers. It's as simple as I want off this ride, the same thing I've been saying for three years.
And I say he's a personality comedian, I say whatever, but I don't say Aaron Rodgers is a terrible human. I don't say Aaron Rodgers is scum of the earth. I don't say any of those things. I just personally don't. No longer want him to be the quarterback of my football team.
I'm so, so sorry. It's okay. I do want him to be the starting quarterback of my football team, and I'm fine rooting for the championship. Why does that make me want Rodgers to get. tie down to a strap and get a COVID fucking Modirna here and Pfizer here.
And I don't need talk shit to you because you are going full heel and you're doing this to troll. That tweet that you had the other night was a full-on troll, which was a terrible take. I'm pissed off right now, but I love the Green Bay Packers, and I want the best return if they're trading away Aaron Rodgers. But I'm not trolling. I'm honestly like, so this is what I said the other day.
Dude, you got to get stuff in return for him because. But when Rodgers gets traded. It's not going to be a a matter of, well, what do we get back? Oh, okay. It's going to be, thank God, what do we get back?
Okay, whatever. No, I want multiple first-round picks.
Well, I do two, but if they don't get it, want to eat that. Like, dude, this is just. Here's my thing. I like. I have taken on the role of Aaron Rodgers fanboy because somebody asked me: You want to talk about troll, your fake buying tickets to the Jets.
That's not fake. How how that's not thick? Oh Buying tickets to go see the jets. I know you're betting on the Jets. You ain't going to MetLife eight times a year to watch them.
So it's a two-hour and 40-minute drive from my house. And I'm going to at least four or five games. Yes, I am. I love Aaron Rodgers. I went to Lambeau Field.
Week 17. Because I knew that was probably going to be the last chance I had to see him start a quarterback for the Packers. Here's my thing. Everybody on social media. Is a fucking fraud.
Everybody. Everybody in sports media. Everybody. But not me. No, no, but like now you're like joining them, and this is why I'm not, I'm being me.
He says, I like. Everybody takes the same shit and recycles it over and over. The Oskawaska or whatever, now it's the Darkness Retreat. Rogers does, it's like the same jokes over and over. And it's not even just like.
It's it's like Schefter and it's like All these guys, and everybody is just like this big fraternity. Just going up doing the same dude. And I just don't think that it's, I don't think it's right because I think Aaron Rodgers is a good dude. I remember during the pandemic a couple of years ago when the fucking celebrities, all they were doing to help people was sing Imagine. And I remember the government doing jack shit for small business owners.
Up until like five, six months too late. And I remember Aaron Rodgers and fucking Prez from Barstool Sports. Saving small business owners. Yeah, I agree. I say that all the time.
I hear these player X interviews and I hate to be like, Oh, like I know people. Like I like my best friend One of my best friends in the world goes over to the offensive coordinator of the Green Bay Packers' house. Like, they're really good friends. They played at Michigan together. I hear these stories.
Guys don't hate Rodgers. Nobody is like. Rogers isn't this awful human being, this awful teammate. Like, he's loved in that locker room. By most of the guys.
Like he's had really good relationships. with pretty much everybody The last decade plus, James Jones. Jordy Nelson. Randall Cobb. Look at the guys he hasn't had good relationships with.
Guys that are trying to get into the media and they want to stir up shit. Jermichael Finley, when's the last time you heard Jermichael Finley on a podcast? Talking about You know, the Chiefs' defensive line. Or, you know, are the Chiefs going to be able to protect Patrick Mahomes? It's always, oh, Let's slander the name of Aaron Rodgers and just throw shit at the wall.
Greg Jennings. You know, it's like these are the guys though. That have something against him. I don't know. I just, I don't think any of this was ever fair.
I think that it's really sad. 17-year career. Guy's going to be a Hall of Fame Pro Bowl quarterback. He's not fav, and this is the way we're treating him. It's just get the fuck out of here.
Don't even grab a bagel. I just don't think it's right. And it's kind of what I hate about the NFL. Like, I'm also the guy that roots for running backs to get paid. And I want these guys to make guaranteed money.
I really enjoyed the last almost two decades watching Rogers start at quarterback. You always knew he was going to be out there. He was going to play hurt. And every year you had a chance to win a Super Bowl. Like a couple years ago against Tampa Bay, they should have won that game.
I went back and watched that game four times last week, man. Devontae had a terrible drop in the end zone. He did. He dropped a fucking two-point conversion to tie the game. Aaron Jones, stop fumbling the fucking ball in big games.
Kevin King. Kevin King. Enough said. And I hate to be the officials fucked us. We got fucked.
Tampa Bay's defensive backs were holding all game long. One of those is an interception. I mean, we've all seen the Alan Lazar jersey tug, and then they call that. And then last year, two years ago against San Francisco, Rodgers, he didn't know he had to go out there and win that game because. Like they were in control all game long until the special teams just completely fell apart.
This year, no free pass. Rogers sucked. And it seemed Disinterested at times, but he also did go on that run at the end of the year and No, he didn't. The defense did. No, they just played nobody.
Like, let's be honest. Did the defense even go on a run, or did they play fucking Baker Mayfield and Kirk Cousins? Yeah. And then they lost to the Lions, who ran a lateral on the last play of the game.
So anyway. I will. Forever defend Aaron Rodgers. I'm rooting for him with the Jets. I hope he wins a Super Bowl.
I also hope Jordan Love wins multiple Super Bowls. I've enjoyed my time as an Aaron Rodgers Packer fan. I am just. I like if this is a story, if this is a movie, if this is The Walking Dead, you know, not everybody watch, and I never saw it, but what I've learned is. Not a lot of people stuck with The Walking Dead.
They like got out after season five or six or seven. I'm just gonna, I'm just not gonna finish the show. I don't, I'm not interested anymore. I want to do that. Do you think Dolphins fans were just like ready for Dan Marino to go?
They're like, get Dan Marino the fuck out of here, choke artist. He's never won a Super Bowl. Do you think Patriots fans were celebrating when Tom Brady was trade, when Tom Brady left? I don't feel that Aaron Rodgers is ever going to win a Super Bowl again.
So, what good does it have him being on my team?
So, I can have fun games. I mean, they're not even fun anymore. Watching the Packers has not been fun in years. It was pretty fucking fun. They won 13 games three years in a row.
That's fun. That is fun. That is fun. I I can't. You guys are crazy with this stuff, man.
Like, you would rather be a fan of the Chicago Bears and suck every year than whatever. Never said that. I just know what we're going to get. It's watching the same thing every year. I don't want to watch it anymore, Ryan.
All right.
Well, so the Packers make the playoffs this year with Jordan Love. Will they? Yes. Who has a better year? Jordan Lover, Aaron Rodgers.
And will you at least take me up on my bet? Everybody all morning, like, I tried with ESP on Homer. everybody had something to say but like nobody wants to put their money with their pockets I want to bet $500 that Rogers has a better year than Jordan Love. Or. that the Jets win more games than the Packers.
Or they go farther, whatever you guys want.
Well, Rogers is going to be on a mission to throw for 40 touchdowns.
So I don't want to bet statistics with you, but I would. Here, how about this? $100, I say Rodgers wins the Super that goes to the Super Bowl this year. I'll bet another hundred with you. Doesn't matter what Jordan Love or the Packers do.
I'm saying Aaron Rodgers will play in the Super Bowl. this season I guarantee it. I'll put it in blood. What do I have to put up? Hundred bucks.
Aaron Rodgers, if the Jets or the Raiders, wherever he ends up. All right, there you go. Boom. Finally, somebody takes some action from me, at least a little bit. But then let's do another hundred.
Because this will be a wave three. Actually, hold on. People still owe me from the MVP. Remember when Rodgers was washed and everybody loved the Jordan Love pick and I went on the Rodgers Revenge Tour for two years and he won two MVPs? Nobody's ever even paid me that money.
Where's Ellerson? Nobody ever gave me money for that. I want to bet you the Packers have a better record. Then the Jets I want to bet you that. All right, deal.
$100? Yeah, does it matter if the guys get hurt or what? No, no. If Rogers tears his ACL week one, too bad, so sad. That's the other thing I hate really quickly while you're allowing me on your podcast.
You know what drives me nuts when people bet player props and like the said player gets hurt like five, ten minutes into the game, and people just bitch to the sports books, and the sports books like give them their money back. Like, that's the price of doing business. You place a wager. I agree. I'm pro sportsbook on that one.
I agree. Can you redeem my bet? Giannis left this game? Hey, at least you got the Bucks. Bucks are going to win the championship.
I bet that again. Agree. Agree. I can't believe that we're getting crazy prices like that.
So at least they're fun. At least they're good because who knows? Who knows? I was watching Jordan Love workout tape. For like two and a half hours this morning.
Just Jordan Love just working out with his quarterback coach. Looks good. All right, so Packers more than the Jets. Yep. You had this go 100, you keep throwing out more than that.
I mean, I'll go as high as you want to go with that. I think Rogers is going to have a monster year. All right, so I'll go a hundred. That the Packers have more wins than the Jets. You really want to make that bet?
The Jets the Jets almost won. We're making it right now. The Jets won nine games last night. Wait, are you backing down from the bet? That's what it sounds like.
No, no. I mean, the Jets won nine games with Mike fucking white, Chris Strevler, and Zach Wilson. I don't care what you think of Aaron Ryan. Man, you're going to give me a free $100 when the Jets don't make the Super Bowl. Sure.
Jets are going to be a good one. But if they do, I have to give you 100. No odds. Yeah, no odds. I've already bet it.
It's a 22 to 1 still, if anybody does want to bet the Jets to win the Super Bowl. That price will be gone. I bet you it goes down to like. 15 to 1, maybe 18 to 1 after the Rodgers deal goes through. When do you think that he gets moved?
When do you think he's officially a jet? I got to get my, I want my apparel. And And Is he going to be allowed to wear twelve, or is Rogers going to have to go back to his Cal days and wear eight?
Well, Namath already said he could work twelve, I think.
So, Namath's going to give up 12, but the Packers beat reporters, and you don't want the guy to be the quarterback anymore. I love this. Joe Namath is giving back number 12. He's unretiring his number, and we're like, Get out of here. Gotta see what the kid from fucking Utah State has, babe bang!
Dumb as fucking fan base. Dumbest fucking bananas. Fucking fan base. I mean, when you put it that way. You know what I loved?
I loved when I hate when guys unretire their jersey. That sucks. Mm-hmm. I loved when I was there day one for Aaron Rodgers and everybody was booing him. That's the thing.
That's the other thing. You guys never accepted Aaron Rodgers. He was a California pretty boy.
Now he's a hippie. And a terrible human being. He's nothing. He's a nothing. He's a nothing.
You guys never know what he never appreciated him. You never accepted him. I now have people telling me that 2011 was a fluke. Go back and watch that Atlanta game, the way that he surgically tears apart that secondary. Go back and watch him throw.
Okay, he throws a bad interception to Brian Erlacher. How many quarterbacks have made open field tackles on Brian Erlacher to save a touchdown in the championship game? I'll answer that question. One, his name. Aaron Charles Rogers.
Yeah, no, he had a great career. I just, I'm ready for something else. Is that so wrong? No.
Well, then, why is he mad at me?
Well, you keep poking the bear. You know how I feel about this.
Well, geez. I gotta be honest, I don't like the way everybody is celebrating this. I thought it would just be like. Oh, you know, I'm fine with the people. Like, I have no problem if you're ready to move on to Jordan Love.
But that's what I am. There's no reason to be rude about it on social media. Like, fuck Aaron Rodgers. I'm so ready for him to go. Karen Rodgers, go back into the darkness.
Those are all in my drafts, but I haven't tweeted any of those. I told you I was coming on for 12 minutes. We're now at 31. See, you fired now. I'm all fired up.
Not going to get my nap in now, so I'm going to be crabby tonight. Let's Best time of the year conference tournaments. And this is the other thing: the Packers are ruining. Fucking my favorite time of the year. Yes, that's what they always do because of Rodgers.
Last year, I'm all excited for the NCAA tournament. We're watching St. Peter's pull off this huge upset. Yeah, whatever happened to that guy. He said Seton Hall.
Yeah, they even play. Barely. And then I have to hear about Devontae getting traded to the Raiders.
Now, I'll be enjoying March Madness and Rodgers, my favorite player of all time. Is going to be a jet, just like Brett. It's so crazy how that's going to work out, though, isn't it? That he's going to literally go down the same path as Brett. And become a jet?
I don't even think this Doug Ewart guy even played. Was that his name? Oh, him. I thought you meant the coach. No.
No, I don't think he did. I don't I don't I don't think he did. Where'd he go? No clue. Couldn't point him out.
Are you going to get a Jordan Love jersey? Uh No, I don't wear jerseys anymore.
So, if Jordan Love has like a really bad year, let's say he leads the league in interceptions. Is that okay? Like, hey, we want to see what Love has year two. It's fine. It's only year one.
Rodgers wasn't great. Was it okay when Rodgers went six and ten? Rogers was really clean. Like Rodgers was good that year, though. He was.
I agree. They lost a lot of games because of the defense. I agree. Yeah, and then like the next year, they were Rodgers. That was the thing about Rodgers at the time.
He would, people said he wasn't clutch because he would bring him back with a minute 43 to go, and then Jake Delone would fire a pass down 80 yards to Steve Smith and beat us. I'm fine with that. Nazism's in clutch. That was bullshit. Again, like he's never, Rogers always had it rough, in my opinion.
And so, uh, I'm going to miss them. I'll continue to probably fight with people that continue to post bullshit. Like, I don't want to hear your player X interviews. Again, if a player doesn't want to put his name on the quote, I don't want to hear the quote. Do people really care?
Like, do people really believe that shit? Do you really believe that?
Somebody's just walking around that locker room. Talking to former beat reporters that don't even work for the team anymore and saying, hey, dude, check this out. Come here real quick. Rogers, right? Fucking guy.
Calls audibles. We don't know what the fuck the audibles are. What the fuck is XYBZ? This guy is a lunatic. I think he eats fucking paste.
He doesn't talk to his fucking family. He is weird, but hey. Don't put my name on that.
Okay.
Don't put my name on that.
That doesn't, like, nobody's doing that. That's not happening. Where do you see these players at? That they're player X? He's just at the bar.
Oh, hey, there's Ladarius Gunter. Hey, Ladarius, what's up? Hey, man, nothing, just getting some wings. Let me tell you a quick story about Aaron Rodgers. Real fuckface, that guy.
Okay.
Did you know he didn't even get vaccinated? Don't put my name on this, though. And then here they are on their paywalls. Pay $4.99 for my blog to read this bullshit. All right, I think you need a nap.
All right, that's all I got for the day. Thanks for having me. Again, we'll find out what happens. I mean, that's all we can do at this point. We keep arguing with each other about Our football feelings.
I did say to him, I don't buy jerseys. I can't wear jerseys anymore. I don't know if it's because I'm 38. I don't wear jerseys anymore. I do have a Giannis jersey.
Last time I wore a jersey. was the NBA Finals. I wore that game six. I do like the Brewer jerseys, but I don't like the ones with the name on the back anymore. I'm not I so I'm that guy.
Again, to each their own. This is a to each your own space, but. I'm not that guy. I am the guy that loves Happy Place Hamp, but I am the guy that loves the Milwaukee Admirals.
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So Now I will let you. Hear that in our new segment called Duking It Out. With Grand Bills. Today is a Thursday. And I believe this is the day that Grant does his NBA lounge in my.
Am I correct on that? Yeah, NBA Lounge Day every Thursday at 4. What a segment. What a show, Grant. The Whisker Sports Show.
I don't know that it's that great. The funny thing is, people who don't really love the NBA, they just enjoy it as a bit.
So it's something everyone. most folks look forward to i guess not everyone but you talk nba Yeah, it it's like putting medicine in a pudding cup. like even people who don't want to talk nba you just deliberate in such a way where it's You distract them with the music and the pageantry, and all of a sudden they're talking about the Cavs game, and that's what's fun about it.
Well, there's a lot to talk about with the NBA. We'll kind of focus on the Bucs for the most part. I keep thinking of the conversation I had with you and Paul Imig two weeks ago. Right before the all-star break about Bucks Twitter. And you know, Buck's Twitter, because there's some people that aren't on Twitter, and then I bring up Twitter.
I'm always self-conscious about that. Um, you know, I can't be just like, hey, Twitter, Twitter, Twitter. And then if you don't listen to Twitter, you're like, I don't. Why is he always talking about this 17-year-old Packer fan that fights him? Yeah, I can barely hear the phone number fast enough to call into the show.
Yeah, not everybody.
So I'm trying to be conscious of that, but I also think it extends to like. A representation of some of the fan base. And we had talked. About how I gotta remember some of these. people I'm talking to online Our kids.
And what happens is You know, the you put out a tweet and it gets some reaction, then it blows, and it kind of becomes like the conversation of the day within. The Bucks Twitter community. And what I've noticed is since we talked about how they're all kids, it's only gotten worse. The level that we choose to purposely panic. About our beloved Bucks.
Does not quite register with me. When they When Giannis got hurt. People are saying. Oh, the playoffs are done. We immediately there.
When they lose to the Sixers. I thought that night was fine. The next day, everyone's like, in a seven-game series, like, you can't break any of that down right now. The Bucs are a very good team. In their last game, they said, we don't even need.
Giannis and Drew, we can just beat the magic by 10, like hardly trying. They did it. A live team, by the way. Like if you don't watch a lot of basketball, you might think, oh, Magic are a joke. The Magic aren't contenders, but that's a solid team with a lot of NBA players.
And they kind of just dispatched them last night without their stars. Last night, yeah, two nights ago. Two nights ago, thank you. It's very much on the up and up. But what I said about that game was.
It was just like two teams. That go to a gym. Pick teams, hoop. But the Bucs team was just. They're just better.
So, the better team's just going to win. And I think we need to remind ourselves that. When you look at the East, especially. The Bucs team is just better. And I will finally ask you a question.
I said on CBS Sports Radio. Yeah. That I think there's a lot of teams that can pick off Boston. But Boston's the only team that can pick off the Bucs. Your thoughts.
Okay.
Um Oh, I missed this part of it. And I listened to almost your whole show last weekend on CBS Sports Radio, and I missed this part. If anyone's dying to hear me again. Uh one to five on Sunday. Very nice.
So I will be on while the Badgers are in the Big Ten championship or They could have already lost by the time we're recording. Who knows? Probably the former. They're about to get hot, so I don't know if I'd buy into the latter. But the Eastern Conference is so interesting.
And I talked about this, I think, two weeks ago in the NBA lounge. In that, like, all of these series are going to look very different. Like, the Bucks are built one way, and the Sixers are built another way, and the Celtics are built another way. And Like, if the Bucks and the Celtics are going to match up, you're going to see a version of the Bucks and a version of the Celtics you'll only see in that series, right? Or if you shuffle the opponents around, like, I really like the movie National Treasure.
So, the way I was trying to think about this was when, when. When Ben Gates finds the glasses, right? And Based on which colors you use, you get different combinations of the words on the treasure map. Like, that's going to be the NBA playoffs.
So the Sixers are going to very much look like one team. And then they'll look like a different team based on who they're matched up against. It's not just that the league has lots of parity this year, and like you said, lots of teams could pick off different teams, it's that all these teams are constructed so differently.
So it's really hard to forecast what teams will look like come the postseason because we really have to know who they'll be playing against. And that's really interesting. I mean, we've seen the last week or two that Boston's beatable. I think they get in their own head. I think they're immature, right?
And who is the NBA guy you had on? CBS Sports Radio. It was a weeknight when you were doing Gelb last week. And he was like, I think Boston's hungry. They're upset about last year.
They're angry. One of those guys, I forgot his name, all right? Rick Rick. Camela.
Okay.
Yeah. He's one of these guys who Um If you don't Like you might not know his name. Mhm. But you know his face. Interesting.
Okay.
Yeah. So I'll have to look that up when we're done. I thought those comments were interesting because that's how I feel about the Bucks. I think the Bucks are pissed off about last year. And I think the Bucks are on a mission.
I watch the Celtics. I see a very immature team. I see a team that's. If you're on YouTube, Rick Kamla is now on your screen. That guy.
Okay.
Yeah. I think Boston's very immature. I think the same of the Sixers. They whine and they complain. The Sixers didn't look like they were having fun on Saturday Night Bart.
All they did was you gotta have fun. What's the point if you're not having fun? It's just a kid's game, after all. Yeah, but I think the Celtics and the Sixers, especially, those two teams get in their own head about the refs and Harden and Tatum and they whine. And that's, I think, a big reason why Boston lost last year.
That could absolutely happen again. And that could happen against a lot of teams if Boston is in that position. Yeah, I'm with you. And then I also don't think like. I mean, I like beating the Sixers and I like beating the Celtics.
I don't care what lineup they trot out, and if they win. It's fun to rile up their fan base and vice versa. He was riling us up and. All that, but These games, while they matter for the standings. They are so unreflective of what, to your point, a series will look like.
They are just one game on the schedule. where the teams play for 48 minutes. But then in a series, I think. You know, there's so many like interchangeable parts, and every series is different. You're right.
They're going to play different guys. I just think that the Bucs. Our Not that vulnerable to most of the teams, but with the Celtics. You know, they've got more guys. Like, okay, so the Sixers the other night.
McDaniels could get hot, and like Maxie could get hot. Meang. Yeah, but those those guys could get hot against anyone. Mm-hmm. The Celtics have guys that are only going to get hot against the Bucks.
Horford, yeah, I get you. Grant Williams. Uh Luke Cornette will have a night. Mike Muscala. Those guys aren't going to do anything in the playoffs, but in a series against the Bucs.
Suddenly it's Brian Anderson and Stan Van Gundy being like, I can't believe Mike Muscala, 29 points. I can hear it. That stupid mustache. I don't know, Giannis Ada Campo. Uh The one thing with Stan McGundy is that he references his record on the year with predicting which way a challenge will go.
I don't give a shit. I don't care. There's very few things in the world I care about less than. Do you know my son can say Adeta Kumpo better than? SVG, and I only asked him once.
I told him what his name was a few times, you know, muscle memory. I tell him our address, my phone number, where you live, and how to say Giannis' last name. And I said, buddy, what's Giannis' last name? And he goes, And this was like three days later. He says, Ade Kumpo.
Already better than Jan Gundy. It's three and a half.
Well, it's that woke school you're sending him to where he learns such good language skills, both English and Spanish, that probably helps. Yeah, we're woke in this. Yeah, every woke. I love woke means anything. Yeah.
The Celtics, what were we talking about? They're immature. They have lots of shooters. There's something I was going to add. Oh, the Celtics' advantage I thought all year compared to the Bucs was that they were deeper.
I thought the Bucks, their star talent at the top of the roster was better. Like, I'll take Giannis, Drew, and Chris if he's healthy. over Tatum Brown. You know, smart, you know, throw whatever.
So I thought the top end was better than Boston's, but Boston had more depth. I still think Boston's deeper. But the Bucks have gotten really sneaky deep in the last two weeks. Like, I'm sure you've gone through this where you've sat down to watch the Bucks and you thought. God damn, when did this happen?
All of a sudden, Joe Ingalls is healthy and Jay Crowder's in the row. Yvonne Carter goes out for 25 when you need him. Yeah, Wesley Matthews, he's, you know, I may have said this on this pod before. He's what Draymond Green once said. There's 82 game players and there's 16 game players.
Wesley Matthews is a 16-game player. He can have a moment in a playoff game. I'm not going to, I don't want to expect things from him night to night, but there will be a quarter where he can have a huge impact. And the Bucks have a lot of guys like that. I didn't think that five months ago.
And now I do. Part of that is them getting healthy and then acquiring Jay Crowder. I can't stand Gore Andragic. I detest him. But he's good point guard insurance as well, a true point guard who can be ball secure in the face of full court pressure and really intense defense in the playoffs.
So the Bucs are really, really deep all of a sudden. And that was an advantage that the Celtics used to have. And I think they're still deeper, but not by much. No, the bucks are very deep. And I think like.
All this.
Someone was going to be the team to get Myers Leonard. And I do think he. done But he's part of it. And so then I'll go back to the initial thing, like. People were freaking out that That was a Haslam move, and I don't know where the connection was there, but then brilliant, honestly.
I wish I would have thought of that. Then people are mad that, well, if the Bucs win the title, they're going to give the trophy to Haslam. How does anyone? Care for any. You know, when they give, like the last time they gave the trophy, does anyone remember that?
I remember Giannis up there with the MVP trophy. But I mean, I was just. begged in the deer district you think i'm gonna stand and watch and be like I just I I got to see Wes Edens get this trophy or Mark Lazar because they are they did not play. And now Jimmy Haslam is going to come in here and buy. A championship, which is good business sense, I suppose.
Speaking of Jimmy Haslam, uh, the collusion that is absolutely a thing with Lamar Jackson. It's weird. And I'm with you about Haslam. I was not in the Dear District, but I was in the Dells district for a night. And I'll tell you, it was glorious.
I could not have had my mind farther away from owners getting a trophy that night. I did not care. I went into Brothers for the first time in like over a year because we're just going in anywhere there were people. I think it was Tuesday night. I can't remember.
We're just anywhere there were people, we were going in.
So, no, I didn't care about the owner getting a trophy. We love to care about things that don't matter. I ran it about this on my show last week, and it's not just like it's with the Packers, your evil Mark Murphy bit. The Packers will take Josiah DeGuara in the third round, or they'll draft A.J. Dillon in this.
They'll do these things that just. Don't make a lot of football sense, and they should drive us nuts. And yet, Mark Murphy's mailbag is filled with questions about. You know. gestures broadly, just the dumbest stuff.
And that's Wisconsin fans. It's probably all sports fans. We care about stupid things. It's like I care about Chris Middleton getting healthy, and I care about them figuring out the rotation. Do they go bigger?
Do they go smaller? What's Bobby Portis' role to play spot? And then we have a section of Bucks Twitter that's all gathered to complain about the ownership structure in four years, right? With Haslan and Dinan, and who cares, right? Like, let's not focus on these dumb things.
We're always chasing the shiny object. It doesn't matter. It's one of my pet peeves about this fan base. I don't know if it's true in other states and in other markets, but it's very much true here. And if you're in lacrosse and they win a championship this summer.
And you're upset, and you don't wanna see Jimmy Haslam take the trophy, just go down the block. You can see Terry Bradshaw giving the trophy to Ron Wolf. At Shooters. Shooters. Yeah.
Super Bowl 31 victory. Did you get to see? You weren't no, you weren't in college. When did you graduate UWL? What was your window there?
Oh, two dollars. Yeah. So I I started in 2016. I went to school until the summer of 2020, and I had a couple buddies. We all watched sports, and I was like, we're so close with so many of our teams.
I just want one title. when we are living here. Right, like when we're all here and can celebrate and watch together, and we got so close with the Packers, we got close with the Brewers in 18. We bought, I mean, just making the World Series, we would have celebrated. We bought cases of Miller Light, like we were ready, and it was just the saddest, saddest affair.
And I'm glad, selfishly, I know you didn't ask me about this, but seeing we brought up lacrosse, um, I'm very selfishly glad that I got to celebrate that title here in my college town when a lot of my friends still lived here. That was really cool. And again, didn't care about the owner getting the trophy, didn't matter to me. Don't worry about it. How could it possibly?
One thing that I tried to channel you when I was on CBS Sports Radio last weekend. And I'll continue to do it as Uh your anti-Jokic crusade for MVP. And I it's it's amazing what's amazing to me is the people. In the media. And that's why I was so happy that I got a good breakdown with Eric Name on this a couple of weeks ago.
The best. By the way, again, cheers to that conversation and to Eric Name because he's the best. But the the way that some of these guys are like They're really pushing for Jokic to get it. To spite. The people that don't think he should get it.
But the people that don't think he should get it, like I think Naam's point is right. You can't, I'm not even kidding you. I'm not even like We would know that Jordan would not win the MVP because. They give it to someone else, they were really trying to be the most reflective of that time. Is that the right way?
Yeah. Is the, is it the, you know, what is the right way? The right way is probably Jordan should have 10 and LeBron should have 10. But other guys have nice ears.
So you're like, well, let's give it to Russ. Let's give it to Rose. They're deserving. You know, if this was the past, this year's MVP would go to MB because he's good enough. He's been close.
They would give it to him. If this was 1998, they would give. The MVP to Joel and B.
So I just don't understand. Why Like of all the players, I don't mind if you start to change history and say, Forget anything else. But to change the rules for Nikola Jokic is Come on. It's very bizarre, and there's points. That we've addressed, and there's points that you and Eric addressed.
I'll just kind of regurgitate a point I heard Nick Wright make yesterday. That I thought was really good on first things first, which is an awesome sports TV show. I think most sports TV is swill. I think that I look forward to going home and watching YouTube clips of the show. Nick Wright made a great point in that the NBA MVP.
Probably unlike the NFL or unlike Major League Baseball, tells the story of the league.
So if you just looked through the MVPs throughout the decades, right? The 60s were Wilt and Russell, and that's where most of the rings, most all of the rings, were won from those two. The 70s were Kareem. 80 was, or the 80s were bird and magic. The 90s were Jordan.
Hakeem got in there as well. Like there were others. You get to the end. It's Duncan and Kobe. Like, you could just look at the MVPs over the course of time and kind of understand the league, which is pretty cool.
It's not something that I thought about. And in 40 years, 50 years, right, or 67 years, is now we're looking back a long time ago and thinking, okay, yeah, Russell, well, they won MVPs. That tells the story. You're going to be like, well, how many did Nikolai Jokic win? He must have won a lot of rings because nobody wins three in a row.
And that couldn't be further from the truth. He's made one conference finals and it was in a playoffs that was in a field house in Disney World. Right. So I and they're not going to win this year. They're not winning this year.
No one thinks they're going to. No one thinks they're going to. Everyone who's like passionately stumping for Nikolai Jokic, ask them who they're going to pick to win the conference final. Who's coming out of the West? And they probably won't.
Yeah, they won't say nuggets with a bullet, which is what we've said about previous MVPs, right? And that's, I don't know. It's so dumb. There's lots of angles, but that was a new one that I heard yesterday that I thought was really interesting. Grizzlies are trashed.
They're done. Insane.
Okay.
So there's this NBA Twitter person that I've followed. Her name is Molly Morrison. She works at Bleach Report now. She was just kind of like this funny member of NBA Twitter.
Now she's I'm not ripping her, but like now she's at Bleach Report. It's a whole thing. But she's a Grizzlies fan, right?
So I've always kind of seen Grizzlies tweets. She's one of the few. And a couple of weeks ago, she tweeted, like, hey, it was really fun when nationally the Grizzlies were getting all this attention.
Now it sucks and I hate it. And I'm like, oh, I feel like I've been there with the Bucks, right? It was so fun for the first two years. It was, love Giannis, Bud, look at what he's done in Milwaukee and all these role players. And as soon as the NBA fandom and media decides you're not enough or you're not good enough, it's brutal.
Right, because then you're just the punching bag, and it seems like that's what that's what's happened to the Grizzlies and different situation, obviously, with Job. But I get it, that small market team that's finally got the spotlight and doing good things, and then all of a sudden, everyone's opinion changes. It's got to be brutal for Grizzlies fans.
Well, their ineptitude has allowed your kings to take the number two seed for the time being. The Kings are the two seed. It's just a wild world that we live in. By the way, everyone, like two weeks ago, remember when everyone was putting out Clippers pieces and Clippers podcasts? What are the Clippers?
They're a game or two over 500. Like I said, I want to see that. They can't figure it out. What is it? I don't know why they added Russ.
And I'm not that anti-Russ, but they had Wall, who's. very similar and it didn't work is is very confusing. The question with the Clippers is if Paul George and Kawhi can actually be healthy and perform in the clutch and be alive for a whole playoff run. It's not whether they have Russ at the point guard or not. It was, I don't know, that team's very bizarre.
Well, Grant, good to talk NBA with you. The NBA Lounge Whisko Sports Show. Statewide Close enough, 4 p.m. Close enough. By the way, you're not on on 920?
Yeah. That's dumb. I want to be. I really want to be. Um, but inside baseball, it's it's iHeart, and I guess it's.
I was talking to some people I work with, it's hard to get in. They have their shows, they have their kind. You would know better than me how big-time radio works, but. Yeah. What's on the big 920 when you're on?
I think it's cowherd on delay last time I looked and I'm like, oh, that's. It's brutal. Like and I l and I love cowherd, but We should have local or at least more local talk. But it is what it is. Cheers to you, sir.
Thank you for your time. Thanks, Mark. We'll talk soon. You're a good steward of the Wisconsin Media, I appreciate you. You as well.
Thanks, Bart. All right, Horvat Grant. Throwing up our dukes. I'm duking it out with my uh Laziness. There's just a few tweaks I want to make.
On the website. I'll get that out. You know what? I'll get it out Friday. Friday.
The website will be. Public domain and knowledge on Friday.
So I'll stop.
Something that's pretty much done. I just have to press publish. Thank the guys at Sun Ant Interactive for that. They're in Brookfield. You can check them out.
Sun Ant Interactive. If you're building a website. I mean these guys they they made it so easy.
So appreciate them. And you're going to see the website you see is. Like I might p To it's all them. It's all them. I'm really happy with it.
Got a couple voicemails. We haven't heard from Dave and Cuday in a while. Again, the voicemail is 402-915-BART, 402-915-B-A-R-T. Brought to you by Carl's Place, Carlofet.com. Carl of et.com backslash Bart.
Takes you to the website and you can check out some golf simulators. And we're getting some snow this week, Eddie. You thought you could get out of the lakes this weekend. That's not going to be the case. With the golf simulator, you could have.
I've been telling you. All right, here's Dave. BART! Steven cut it. I am so sorry.
I apologize. I haven't been around. New job, new work, very busy. You know. I had to call in and let it Just let everyone know the massive amount of excitement that I have for this Bucks team going in season.
This squad is one of the most in-depth teams I have seen in quite some time. I don't know if there's anyone that truly rivals them. I think as long as health and injury are not a concern, which is, you know, always lingering, this team has no one slowing them down from winning everything. And to the people that wanted. To shame the Bucs for their win streak and call it empty and hollow.
Have you ever seen a professional basketball game before? This is, it doesn't matter how those teams were when you face them, whether they were a great team, a lower end team, there's a bunch of injuries or what, these are still professional basketball players, and you went out there and went on an historic run for your franchise. Let's fucking go, Bucks. Let's just go. Bucks in six, all day, every day.
Thank you, Bart. Thank you, Milwaukee. Let's fucking go, Bucks. There you go, Dave. Hey, you get a new job.
New schedule. Same old son of a bitch I've come to love. David Cudahey. This one's from Hot Take Jake on the Carls Place voicemail line. Bart, my man, this is your boy Hot Take Jake here.
I'm going to keep it short and sweet-ish, at least for a voicemail. Look, I'm going to puff you up here. You are a godsend, my friend. I'm driving home from work for the short break that I get. I happen to turn on the radio and say, you know what, I haven't heard Milwaukee sports radio in a while.
Let's see what's going on. One station, there's a quiz show going on talking about what gold supplies are left in the world. On another station, someone you know very well is talking about some bar he was hanging out in. On another station, they're talking about, this is the national station, one of the hosts is going to be taking on a challenge where he has to eat a jar of peanut butter in an hour. That's what we have for sports radio options.
It's so fucking pathetic. We've got all these options. Not a single one of them. We're talking sports. Bro, thank you so much for your show.
Without you, I don't know what I would be doing for sports discord. And I certainly wouldn't be as big of a fan without your show continuing to keep the conversation going.
So just wanted to puff you up, my man, and appreciate you. Thanks, Bart. Yeah, see how great I am? I not only keep everyone connected, but I am responsible for keeping your fandom going. not as big of the accomplishments as some others in the business.
Like Keep Waukee single-handedly or running Chris Davis out of town. But Hey. We all do our part. Uh the best we can. All right, the Bucs have the Nets on Thursday night, so we'll have a post-game for that.
Now that'll be live on YouTube. And you can join us. We'll also know how Marquette did in game one of Their tournament. Uh Man. disappointing loss again for the Badgers, but I don't think anyone's too surprised.
To the NIT we go most likely. Looking forward to it. Post-game shows? Possibly. I'm Bar Winkler.
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