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Impossible not to overreact to any Packers vs Bears outcome this Sunday? Craig Counsell's ranking among the Wisconsin coaches of this generation

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Impossible not to overreact to any Packers vs Bears outcome this Sunday? Craig Counsell's ranking among the Wisconsin coaches of this generation

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September 7, 2023 6:00 am

The Packers-Bears rivalry is a longstanding one, with both fan bases expecting a dominant performance from their team. However, this season may be different, with Justin Fields and Jordan Love potentially leading their respective teams to a more balanced rivalry. Meanwhile, Craig Counsell, the manager of the Brewers, is being considered for the role of commissioner of baseball, given his candor and grand perspective on the sport.

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Good morning, everybody. Today is the day where the NFL is back. And a fell is back, oh yeah. I miss hinging on the radio, I really do. Tom, I got Tom's tweet, scrub a dub.

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You never know how many times you... Need to get your car washed. Multiple times a week but if you do Uh scrub a dub. is the place to be. The Brewers did not get the dub.

We'll talk about that here in a minute. This episode is going to feature Grant Bills and Paul Immig. Mm-hmm mm-mm. And then tomorrow's should feature Ryan Horbot for our picks. Excited for that.

Horbot is taking the Lions. Money line.

So, we're going to try to do these earlier in the week so we can get the Thursday game. But Horbot is taking Lions money line. I saw it down to four and a half. If Travis Kelsey's not going to play, there's now maybe some trending optimism. We'll see.

I don't know. I what I like is DraftKings, I'm going to take a lot of Gibbs and Montgomery combos. Because with no Chris Jones, if you look at the Chiefs. Depth chart on defense. I like don't know who these guys are.

And maybe they're good. I don't know. Chiefs, man, without Kelsey, it's Mahomes and. Who's the second option? Sky Moore, MVS?

My guy Noah Gray. I don't know. The the Lions have more weapons. Especially with Kelsey down. If that's the case, if you draft a Cooper Cup, oof.

He's out week one. Maybe more. Packers had some injuries too. And these are not good. Packers have some injuries.

That includes Christian Watson. and Romeo Dubbs.

So we knew That Romeo Dubbs might be in danger. of missing week one because of a hamstring.

Now We may be In jeopardy of not seeing Christian Watson, who Matt LaFleur was asked about the injury. Didn't say one say. And then later. 45 minutes later, the Packers put out their. injury report.

So really crafty I mean, that's just veteran coach move. You know, the amount that can be gained, that the Bears could have gained if they had known 45 minutes earlier the reason. For Christian Watson being on the injured list. I mean, shit. Give this guy Give this guy all the awards.

What a What a genius. Anthony Johnson Jr. is on the injury report. He's also apparently on this team. At safety, Lashawn, LaShawn Gary, Lashawn Johnson.

LaShawn Johnson's not going to play. Rashawn Gary, limited in practice. Dantavian Wicks hamstring, but did practice. And David Bakhtiari is on the injury report again. I assume he'll play.

This said veteran rest. I don't. Packers gotta regret that contract, though. I mean, David Battieri should be playing five games a year for the Lions or bears or something. But we'll see.

We'll see what Dbox 69 can give us. Uh this year. When he's not busy buying Tesla Stock So we'll see.

So that's the latest on that game. Packers Bears again, 325. If you missed it yesterday, we talked with Danny Parkins of 670, the score. You can check that out also on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream, which is also where you can check out. The rest of this.

Podcast with Grant. And Paul, which we'll go to here in just a minute, do want to talk about the Brewers. As they lost, this was a snoozer of a game for the most part. The Brewers got an early lead thanks to my guy, William Adamas. who had two hits, including a home run.

Now hitting 212. On the season. The Brewers then were able to, for the most part, keep the Pirates at bay until they did play some runs. Here in the sixth and seventh, brewers had a chance, nice catch. By uh Who caught that ball?

Connor Joe? And then An all-time terrible C. B. Bunkner Buckner move. where he called a strike.

that was completely out of the zone. And that's going to hurt. We don't talk about it today, but that hurts my mind and grants desire to continue to see human umpires. When you have a game in this way, now the Brewers lost for other reasons. You know, it was a hot day, a sleepy day.

There was like 15 Total people at the ballpark. In Pittsburgh on a weekday afternoon, some just a random Wednesday in September. But brewers just could not get the job done when they needed to. Um, Pagero, people are turning on him now. He gave up some runs, so.

Not a great week so far for the crew. After doing really well against Philadelphia. They then lose on Sunday and then lose two of three, so they've lost three or four. In the meantime, the Cubs just swept the Giants.

So this lead. is now down to a game and a half. Brewers go out to New York for the weekend and they're kind of rejuvenated a little bit.

So we'll see what the Yankees provide. Brewers off. On Thursday, Cubs have a chance to pick up a half game, or I guess by the same logic, so do the Brewers. Cubs start a four-gamer in Arizona. Thursday.

So right now the Brewers are 77 and 62. That's a nice record. You know what? I didn't realize that was the record. I always look at...

The game's back. They're having a nice year. 77 and 62. That's pretty good. But they lost a couple in the Cubs.

Are chasing a game and a half back, and the Reds still kind of hanging on. They would be more interesting. In the wild card situation, Marlon's also in that mix. They had a couple of guys. Alcantra and I think Soler go on the Injured list.

So they might. Be in a little bit of trouble there. But Brewers, yeah, tough loss. Not good. Hot day.

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Granger. for the ones who get it done. I am joined by Grant Bills. Mm-hmm. And I'm joined by Paul Limmick.

And my name is Bart Winkler. And together, the three of us are going to converse. about the latest in sports. Questions will be asked by Paul. And instead of saying yes or no.

We will groan. One way or another. With that being said. Also, I want to tell everyone if you're on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream. Because it's football season, it's beanie season.

So I'm back to beanies.

So hats. Regular hats? No, sirree, Frank. Beanies. R in.

Is it just between Memorial Day and Labor Day, you don't wear a beanie? Is that basically the only window of the year you don't? Hmm. Uh yeah. Yeah.

Is that about it? Once Labor Day hits. I'm back to beanies. No, we're in white, and we're back to beanies. Back to beanies.

Is there anyone? Listening to this. who probably not well played. Is anyone listening to this? Who would not say that fall?

is their favorite season. Keep in mind fall includes football. Like, so you get you get all things that come with fall. It's it's the best, it's the greatest season.

Well a lot of people like summer. I like Summer's a Summer's a solid runner-up.

Sometimes I think about like on a normal summer day, I'll look around my. Yard or my driveway, and I'll think, man, that's gonna suck when there's snow right there. Mm-hmm. I will do that. I didn't usually do that in you'll do that in fall?

No, I'll do that in summer. Oh. In summer.

Well played. That's one of Grant's favorite tunes. Oh my god, so My kids started like the other day. He watched Sing Two? Oh yeah.

And we have now watched Sing Two. fifteen times this week. Good film. That'll happen. It is.

It is. The single movies are good. But I sing I can't get sing On any streamer. Sing's not available anywhere unless you buy it. Yeah, I think we at one point we bought the Sting dual pack on Apple TV or however that works.

Sing 2 is on Netflix. Oh, Sing two is, but not saying one. Yeah. You can get it for 10 bucks on Apple or however you do that. No, no, if I'm paying $5.99 to eight different streamers.

I'm not going out and then renting a movie. That's a loaded cast. Bono. Palsy. Tori Kelly, Tory Kelly almost died.

Scarlett Johansson. Damn. Pharrell. Uh Taryn Egerton. Who does sky full of stars better than Coldplay?

Hmm. And I know you're a cold play guy, so that means something. Mm-hmm. Johnny. All right, uh ask a different thing.

Yeah. All right. It's been a few weeks since I've had a topic that I was so eager to talk about that I texted you guys. Because the last time I did that, you mocked me and said, isn't that the whole point? You're supposed to have questions, that whatever.

But this week I have one. And I don't Think Think. I don't think I would ask this if Grant wasn't a part of our panel. I think what I'm mocking is. Like You You like to text us how excited you are as a tease.

But I don't mean it to be that like in professional terms like people that Enjoy the show. They're not teased about nothing. I'm not doing it. It's not like on Monday I'm teasing this great Paul topic. Although perhaps they should have.

For me, it's just my exuberance, just my excitement. It's not meant to like inflate your numbers or get views. It's just like. Guys, can we just talk about this now? And then, no, you made me wait, and that's okay because it's only built up the excitement.

So, like I said, I don't think this would have been a. This topic is very grant and bills. specific Because Bills is a Craig Council truther. Mouth. You are the Craig Council guy.

I think he's amazing.

So let's just like, I'm not saying like, you know, like Grand thinks he's great, and what is he talking about? Put some thought on this one. Over the past 15 years, Craig Counsel is the state of Wisconsin's best coach/slash manager. In that span, I will let you include everything from, of course, Packers, Brewers, Bucks. to Badgers basketball and football, to Marquette basketball.

However, you want to think of the topic.

So, in the state of Wisconsin, over the past 15 years, Craig Council is the best Coach slash manager. Since 2008. Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm. And Grant's contemplation already, as he leaned back in his chair, already tells me I am my excitement and my buildup for this in my head is gonna probably be worth it.

Mm-hmm, or mm-mm. Whoever would like to go first. I just want to say that the answer is Bart Lundy. Yeah. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. My God.

So who else would be Candidates. I thought they thought Bo, maybe.

So I thought of, I thought of Bo Ryan. I thought of Buzz Williams as a. I'm just I'm just saying like if how you want to look at this um So we have two guys that won titles. Budenholzer won a title, McCarthy won a title.

Okay. Yeah, so can you say like Craig's better than them. They won titles. This is what I'm so excited about. Can you do that?

I think Craig is better at managing a baseball team. Then Bud is at coaching a basketball team. That's no knock on bud. But it's a fact. Bud is not a punchline, by the way.

Bud did some very nice coaching things in that. Run. Bud was definitely there for that run. He was there. He was present.

And I think Mike McCarthy did some good things too. Like, he's still coaching. I think Mike McCarthy is a. He's a very good coach. Yeah, it's Craig.

Who else would it be? Who else would it be? I think if you want to. I think You could throw Lance Leipold in the mix. Mm.

That's a fun. I didn't think about that. That's a fun one. A lot of national championships went to Buffalo. That's why Wisconsin scheduled Buffalo, and then Chris is gone, and Leipold's gone.

And now he's at Kansas, and they got a big one Friday night against Illinois. That'll be, yeah, that's an interesting matchup given the coaching. I love Kansas. It's just unbelievable. Football comes back, and within a week, we just have a dozen incredible games that we're fascinated about, and all these interesting stories.

Like, it does, it barely takes a weekend, and we're just so back. We're so back.

So Lighthold won Lighthold one five. Division three NCAA championships. between 2009 and 2014. Is that right? Five?

They won like every year, yeah. That's like coming out of the AFC West. That's extra hard. You get extra points for winning it out of the WEAC. Looks like only 2012 in that little six-year span, only 2012 did they not win.

Who beat him? Mount Union or the other one. Do not know. Mary Harden Baylor. Yeah, Mary Mary Harden Baylor.

I know of Mary Baylor. She's an incredibly nice person. Mary Baylor. I do, yeah. The actual Mary Baylor?

I know a girl named that. Oh, I was going to say, this is a Horgot move. I know. I know Mary. I actually know Mary Baylor.

She's my aunt's sister. Oh, the college was named after you. By the way, Ms. Leipold and I are mutual Twitter followers. Oh, very good.

He has to listen to Chuck and Winkler. I love that. By the way, in those five seasons, so excluding 2012. They went 75 and 0. Yeah.

Now in 2012 he really stunk it up at seven and three. Yeah. Not including 7-3, 2012, 75-0. Absolutely bonkers.

Okay. Leipold can definitely be under consideration. Absolutely. Yeah. Lip pulled in there.

I just look at it this way. If Council leaves the Brewers, is there a single team in Major League Baseball that would not be like? Should we call? At least consider calling. Whoa, it's 70, 80% of teams are.

Would maybe call, and the biggest budget teams would be interested, like the Mets would be interested, and the Padres should. Be interested. Whereas, if like Matt LaFleur, I think is very good, if he becomes available. A good portion of the league is not scrambling to get an interview with him, or the Ken Rosenthals of the NFL world are not writing pieces speculating on whether or not he'll be you know what, grant. I I think I was already leading counsel.

Great argument. I I'm like, this is like open and shut console.

Well, it's supply and demand.

Well, I think the answer is: I'm going to vote council also. A clean sweep. Um so Here's a question. Is counsel. Doing a disservice to the Brewers.

By not giving them an answer. Yeah. What would you be saying if this was Aaron Rodgers and not Craig Counsel? Exactly. Which is a hilarious game.

Like someone. And then Council's going to go to New York. Yeah. Jerry did this with Mason Crosby, by the way. You know, that video of him kicking field goals?

Jerry, one of our mutual listeners, is like, this is a douche move. What if Aaron Rodgers did this? We'd be complaining about it.

So it's just fun to think. That's a great point by Jerry. I really mean that. The. The only thing I'd say about Grant, your thing, and you got to meet Jerry, he's a vibe.

Jerry's a vibe. Yeah. Okay. The only thing I'd say is if Craig Council became available. which he could here not too long from now.

Does Craig Council get like Bonus attribute points, though, for the brewers that he won't get anywhere else because there's just that special. He's from Whitefish Bay. He's a lifelong Wisconsin resident. Like, is Craig Counsel? Is there something Intangible about the fact that it's his hometown team that he grew up with, that he played for, that he.

Does that give a little backstra sparkle? That if he was just like the manager of the Padres, it wouldn't exist because it just wouldn't be as special. I feel like we've gotten to the point now with Craig where Well, maybe I shouldn't say that. I don't know if it's specific to Milwaukee. I think managing in a place like the Brewers.

If he comes up short, we understand why. It's like he doesn't have the budget. That the Dodgers or other teams do. Like, he isn't given the resources that Dave Roberts is given. I don't know if that's specific to Milwaukee and specific to his hometown.

I didn't break it. Uh-oh. I did not break it. I didn't touch it. Was not me.

Was it me? I'm being accused. of breaking the coffee machine. Did he break the cough machine? Wasn't me.

Uh Kiss FM's Alley Faith. Just Clearly, seeing I'm recording something. Classic radio person yelling at me. No, that's what that is, that's a classic radio person. Power moving a podcast person.

Yeah, because there's a window. Here. And normally I have the computer set up here. But for lighting purposes, I have it here. Again, Dan Shaney YouTube stream.

Grant you were saying or no? Allie and I have had coffee issues. Like My entire tenure in this building. Uh-huh. Many times I would place the coffee mugs in the sink.

and not put them in the dishwasher. You're one of those people. And So she threw away like twenty mugs. And I said, this is not solving the problem. You are.

And then we were like out of mugs for months. Boy, this this is compelling shit. Yeah. Just to wrap this up, if Craig Counsel goes to the Mets or the or if he were to go to the Dodgers or another team and they weren't winning, the pressure would be more substantial. And the and the pressure would would rise more quickly.

In a team that's not bottom third in Major League Baseball and payroll. And I don't know if that's specific to the Brewers because it's his hometown team. I just think it's. They're a team with fewer resources, and he probably gets less criticism for that reason.

Well, so then, so does, you know, does the underdoggy type of. vibe that comes with being the brewer's manager. Benefit someone of his mentality, or, you know, like. I think there's something to be said that some people can thrive When expected to win, and some people thrive when it's like, well, Anything you do above five hundred would be like you'd be crazy like there's there's different you know There's a certain expectation. Big fish, small pond, small pond, bigger fish.

I don't know. He's the longest tenured manager in the National League. Thank you for saying that, by the way. Yeah, great, yeah. When he uh started in 2015.

I was there, first of all. The Clayton Kershaw game? Uh I was there in his first, I was there. The presser? Yeah, got Reneke Reneke was no fun, Reneke sucked.

Never Ron Reneke. I do remember Ron Ring. Remember Ken Maca?

So counsel though, my point is Okay. The the amount of things that he could do then He can't do now. No. manager has had the rules of the game changed. As much in any period, council did, and these rules that would be enacted.

all took away things that he was good at. Yeah, that's a great point as well. And he's still good. He was very obviously against the banning of the shift because. That was But I always say this.

I always say this with Craig. Whenever Craig's asked about these rules. Craig. Craig, the three batter minimum. Do don't don't you think we keep enough Track of enough things in in the game.

I I'm still struggling with Winds. runs created plus. I used to I used to bring a a scorebook to the game.

Now I gotta bring 16 calc calculators. I could, I mean, I could listen to you do that. Yeah. I don't think there's a stopping point. Yeah.

I don't think there's a contrast. I wanted to stay on my flip phone, but this game made me upgrade to a smartphone. My favorite thing is right when you get to the end of each sentence, you hit that second to last word: two, two, two.

Well, it's an impression. It's and it's I mean, it's unclean. What I'm saying What? What is it? What is it?

What I'm saying. at a point. At a point. Oh, Craig always says. Instead of like asking us about these rules all the time.

How about we do 'em and then see? He's always like, we could debate, we could debate what will this do for the game? Or we could just try it, and then if it doesn't work, we'll change it. He's just not into the conversation about. What should we like the strike zone?

Just do it then, and then we'll see. It's very doctor house. Treatment is faster than testing. If you think a patient has an illness, just treat it and we'll find out. And I listened to Craig.

I was not there at his introductory press conference, but he did speak at the La Crosse Lagers winter barbecue. A couple winters ago, and he spoke with Damian Miller on a panel led by Ben Kopanki. It was very good. and Chris Goodell, the Loggers General Manager, and talked about these rule changes. And it was awesome.

And Craig was super open about baseball, it is not in a good spot right now. It's not a good game. I believe Dan Kapanke, Ben's father. Mm-hmm. Was a state senator?

Assemblyman, Senate, yeah, elected. But he has some sort of ownership. In dipping that The ice cream or the future. Can you not do both? No, I I he might own Dippin' Dots.

I d I actually didn't know that.

Sorry, I'm sorry. No, this is interesting. If if his ni if his nickname isn't like Hanky K Panky, I don't know what we're doing here. Oh, okay. Taking it one step further, Kapanki became a full-fledged Dip and Dots franchisee.

Franchisee. Just have dipping up. Maybe there's Dipper Dots at the Lagers Game. I always sit out in the Toppers Terrace where you can get all you can eat food and six free beers, six beers, four beers, it's four. Which is just absurd.

The ticket's like 25 bucks. They're just giving it away out there. My, my, my heavens, my stars. But yeah, Craig, my original point, like super open and clear about how baseball sucked and how there was no action, and we need to do something. And I guess I just didn't expect him to speak.

With such candor. about the matter. Yeah, with that much Cassie and Andor about the matter. It was very, it was very interesting. And I, I, that on that night sat at my table.

In the lacrosse center, and thought this man could be commissioner baseball. This man sees the sport in an overarching way with a grander perspective. The day-to-day of managing a baseball team might not be enough for this guy. He's got too many things swirling in his head to just be turning a lineup card in 24 hours. Wow.

So here's what he's going to do. I don't like the first prayer I'm about to say as a Brewers fan. He's going to step away after this season.

Okay. His son will go through his four years of college. Or three, maybe it gets drafted earlier. I don't know. Um comes back in 2027.

To challenge Manfred. Oh. back to manage the brewers. It's like, God, that's emotionally charged.

Okay. You know what? What if someone else does want to be commissioner? Can they challenge? Can code of no confidence, or like a dual.

That's a I'm a serious. That's a great question though, Bart. How would that work? Like, if council is like, you know what? I don't want to go manage the Mets.

I want to be commissioner, but I want to do it in three years. Like, when you just start rounding up all of the owners to say, Hey, over the next three years, start like planting the seeds that you're gonna do of vote of no confidence or however you would do that. And then I'm going to come in. And I'm gonna Make this better. I'm gonna shake the trees.

Yeah, council would get in there. You'd shake the trees. The only thing that sucks, the only thing is like, it's hard to like, what is this picture of? This is Dan Kopanki selling dipping dots at the Hallmark Show Choir event. All right.

Dancing YouTube. Dan Kapanke was and is A man of the people. I remember in election. Periods he would walk around the ballpark, and even when he hasn't met up for election, you do this. He'd walk around Copeland Park, he'd shake everyone's hand.

Thank you for coming. Thank you for supporting the loggers. Thank you. He'd come out into the outfield where he'd be sitting. He'd have his yellow loggers pull on.

Thank you. Thank you. Very, it's a family business, the lacrosse loggers. I love the laggers. The only thing I was gonna say is I'd if Craig was the I can't say Craig without Craig.

Well, and I'm thinking of Veep when they go to the tech company and it's Craig. Like, I'm sorry, it's Craig? Craig. Craig. Craig.

When tag It's hard to like a commissioner of a sport. They are inherently there to be dumped on. Right. Like they are there to clean up all of the owners' garbage. And they have to do it with a smile on their face and pretend that they mean what they're saying.

So, I don't know for the sake of Craig's likability if we want that, but it would be good for the sport. It would be tremendous for the sport. I've never seen it. We are woefully late. Can I just ask you this real quick before we?

If Craig is the unanimous winner, I have two questions for you. One, If we pulled this And we gave options of Council, McCarthy, Bundenholzer, or I don't know, other What are you what? Eighty-seven percent. Would say council? Yeah.

over two coaches who won titles, I'm I think we're gonna end up being the minority. No. Mm. Best manager coach of 15 years. Do you think we're in the minority for council?

Considering we have two coaches that won titles, and if you include Leipold won multiple titles, and Bo Ryan, Bo Ryan got to the final championship game. Paul, nobody credits Budenholzer. For that title.

So well, not no one. I certainly don't.

Some people do. No one credits McCarthy for that title. McCarthy should get all the credit in the world for that title. He got Aaron Rodgers over the hump of an NFC championship game, which was injury-riddled. That in a way that you Can't not, you're never supposed to win a Super Bowl being that injured.

And people don't give McCarthy credit for maybe his biggest stroke of genius on that playoff run, which was getting his guys fit for their rings before the Super Bowl. It was before the conference. No, it was after the conference championship before the Super Bowl. And at the beginning of the season, he looked at the wall and said. That's where your picture's gonna go.

Yep. Yep. And then he brought in Gallagher. Yeah. A lot has changed.

You know, he's lightened up his act. He's changed his material a lot in the last couple of years.

So, okay, so, okay, who's your second-place winner? Who's your personal second-place finish behind council paste? Bow Ryan. I'm going to go McCarthy too.

Okay. What I am. Why is that funny? 'Cause you said McCarthy too and neither one of us said McCarthy. I think that's interesting.

I think Bo Ryan's a great choice. I I I'll probably put I'll probably put Bo. I don't know. I mean, Lightpole's record is ridiculous, but I didn't watch whitewater football, so I don't really know how to appreciate it. And I'm pandering to the.

three or four people that enjoy whitewater football. That listened to the show.

So Grant Grant, who's third then behind Bo? Chasing it. Yeah. Joe Brunty, actually. Joe Brunty.

Just Melvin. Joe Goldman, the challenge game. I was at that game. The challenge game, yep. The challenge game.

Two challenges, one drive. We have to pull we have to poll this to see if if um Yeah.

Well, you do that. Show me your poll. And then, uh Mm-hmm. He's reached the age where a laugh turns into a cough. My cough sounds like static.

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Now we're back together again. You guys want some? You guys know last week Kyle quit the band? Was that bare-naked ladies? I tell you all, you guys.

No, he's doing Tenacious D because of him. Kyle quit the band. I try with the 90s. I do. There's just not there's not very many redeeming things out of that decade.

To be that's the we should properly give our Uh Smash Mouth, that guy. Mm-hmm. Who nobody knows his name. Steve Steve Hartwell. Mm.

I told my wife Smash Mouse died. She goes all of 'em? Eh. Yeah. That's not funny, but it is funny.

No, no, it is. It's funny because in the past, like only the most legendary bands have got like Skinnerdal died in a plane crash, or like when Buddy Holly and the Big Bopper all went down, and it would just be fun. It would just be funny. This guy was a huge Bay Area sports fan, and he was. Shitting on A's ownership long before.

It became cool. He would tweet at them and they would tweet back to him like Smash Mouth lyrics. And he's being like, No, you guys stop. You guys run your team bad. This isn't.

This isn't a time to be like, hey, now we're an all-star. You're not. You suck. Mm-hmm. I just Yeah.

I don't feel comfortable eulogizing Smash Mouth. Without recognizing the other musical giant that we lost over the weekend. Jimmy Buffett, sure. Yeah. I'm losing all my heroes.

Gordon Lightfoot, Jimmy Buffett. Craig Counsel is going to retire in like a month. I'm losing everything near and dear to me. I'm losing pillars of my show by the week. Grant You need to at least give a few listens to might as well be walking on the song.

Oh, yeah, I like that song. That's a good one. Na-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. Do you like their version of I'm a Believer better or the monkeys? Smash Mounts is better.

Well, first of all, Neil Diamonds is the best. Smash Mouth, I believe, is second. I don't like the monkeys. I don't need every song. Beatle Beatleized.

I know it's not a Beatles song, but it's like, hey, what if these four Dorks also did a version of this song. What about Pleasant Valley Sunday? What is that? It's just a pleasant valley sunday. Hey, hey, hey.

That's exactly. If if we're going like corny Boy bands from that era, I will take the lovin' spoonful over the monkeys. Please and thank you. What about Jan and Dean? I don't know who that is.

Yeah, the monkeys had a lot of good songs. Daydream Believer is a smash. That's a hit. Mm-hmm. Last train to Clarksville.

Wake up sleepy genie. Oh, what does it mean? Paul, ask another question, please. They dream believer and. You sound like Tim.

When he's talking to Lois in our Twitter spaces, hello. Paul, please throw a lifeline to this podcast. Yeah, Christ Almighty. We're bringing up Lois. Mm-hmm.

Ready, guys?

Okay. Be honest. Win or lose. You are going to overreact to Sunday's Packers Bears game. Win or lose.

Win or lose, you are going to overreact one way or the other. Or Win or lose.

So, Wednesday show. Danny Parkins joined. He does a good job of like. Aggressively telling me to shut up in a nice way. Where it's like, stop complaining about anything Packers.

I am a Bears fan. I go, but you don't know what it's like.

Sometimes he goes, none of it matters. You win. You always win. No. You're always you always have a You have not worried about your quarterback in 30 years.

Oh, we've worried about it. Like At least on Tuesdays, we had to worry about it on Tuesdays, Danny Parker. But that doesn't matter. Did you have to worry about your quarterback on campus? Bears fans.

can't comprehend that and and i don't think that they should I think that You don't know until you live it. Mm-hmm. Challenges that come with the quarterbacks that we've had for the last 30 years. Thank you. We've had some unique challenges with them.

We do have. All anyone can see like You can peer, so here's a good one. You can walk by our house. you know, at night and you see a nice little family eating dinner. in the dining room and you say That's what I aspire to.

Wow.

And but then you what you don't see are the rest of the rooms in the house where Dad then leaves. to go downstairs and play with his trains all night and get drunk thinking of uh Kathy from high school and mom goes upstairs. and you know rubs herself to the guy that she works out with. And then the kid, the kid, the kid, the Sure. It's it's just you can't you can't You can't, you can't.

You had a clip here for a moment. I'm not tweeting rub myself. Woohoo! You know what I mean? You don't know their problems until you live them.

I said on my show about this: I said Packers fandom is the gated community of the NFL. We're all very rich and we live in our gated community, and all the poor think we got it so great. And I guess compared to them we do, but You know, we got to deal with higher taxes and we got to deal with the annoying HOA that makes us. We get, we got our problems too. Teams with Hall of Fame quarterbacks, we got problems as well.

They're just rich people problems. They're still problems, though. Problems are problems. Amen. Bar, you really honestly had a I mean that analogy was Pre-coughing attack.

You were you were onto something.

Well, I didn't. I didn't say I don't know. Yeah. No, I wasn't doing it. I wasn't enjoying it.

Let's break it down. Let's break it down. What went wrong with your analogy, Bart? Let's dissect this.

Well, when I said rubs herself. Oops. Uh To to I think you said to her buddy from the or to her workout guy from the gym or what?

Well yeah, that's what That's you don't really think of it. Is that the most frequent source of Look, I don't know, man. I get what your analogy is. Everyone thinks we got it so great. that they just don't know.

They don't. Winner lose, you're gonna overreact to Sunday's game. Mm-hmm. Or well, if I lose. If they lose.

I'll be mad at the overreaction of the Bears. fans. That's the thing that's bothering me. Yep. I think when I go in the detail with I call him D P.

Danny Parkins. I know there's like three DPs. You have Dr. Pepper, Dan Patrick. There's so many DPs that rank higher than Danny Parkinson.

No, no, no. He can't be DP. Yeah. No. No main s Don't make me sing.

Oh yeah, I'm dying. I'm dying. This is it.

Okay. Yeah. He needs to get tested or tried. No, someone, John sent me a message. He said it's the wildfires.

It's not the f Sure, it's the wildfires. Continue. I was going to go to the doctor, and then I got a DM that. It might be the wildfires. I'm like, problem cured.

You were saying about DP? What do you tell DP? I told him. that I'm more nervous about the bears Fans reaction. Then if like if the if the Packers lose week one?

Is our season over? We'll go try it again in week two. But the only thing that will suck about it, like Even if we were playing the Vikings, it'd be better if we were playing the Vikings. Yeah. Or Detroit.

Yeah. I just both fan bases, and I've been saying this this week: the Packers fans got to cut this shit out. Both fan bases are acting like this game is going to establish things for the next 15 years. Yes. We're either gonna continue to own the Bears.

Or we're going to go back to the 70s and the 80s. And I'm like, hey guys, what if like Justin Fields and Jordan Love are just both. Fine. Like they're they're decent quarterbacks and they have good games and bad games and The Packers-Bears rivalry is actually somewhat balanced, and there's wins and losses on both sides. Like, no one can wrap their mind around that happening.

It's one team is going to dominate the other, and it's going to happen for the next 10 years, and it's going to be decided by what happens on Sunday. It's insane.

So I I probably I'll be very excited if they win. Should be. I don't see me. Overreacting. And the only way it would overreact is if.

I caught wind of one Bears fan that was And then I would go. Then I would melt down on On X. What if it's 27-3 Packers? You're overreacting to that. Oh, yeah.

I think more so in that circumstance. Empty calories, Paul. You're going to take the high road if they win by multiple touchdowns. Is that what you're telling me? Paul, you gotta go to Diet or Coke Zero.

No. Those are 140 calories that do nothing for you. Oh, I'm aware. When you drink that Coke. I know.

Yeah. Um Is that how many are in the can? Look for me. 140. Yep.

See, that's a man who's been using my fitness pal. Yeah. Uh I would overreact if it was 27.3. Then I might overreact to the defense. Yeah.

Like if our defense looks kick-ass. Then I might overreact. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Well, if they hold the Bears at three points, you can get hyped about the defense and then also talk smack to Bears fans about how they have a running back playing quarterback. That's the best part of it all. Yeah. I don't even believe it, but like, even in our group chat with a Bears fan, one of my best friends, like, we always joke to him that Justin Fields is a running back. And he's like, ha ha ha, we'll write.

But Bart, was that you that pointed out on Twitter that there was that Justin Fields video and he talked about. you know the season and whatever. At no point did he mention passing the football. No, 'cause I'm a Justin Fields believer. There was a video, Daydream Believer.

I'm a Justin Fids believer. There's this video where he remember when I was recording a podcast and Allie interrupted me to do the Allie Faith show in the hallway. How long has she been on that station? Fifteen, twenty years? Yeah, a long time.

She's done good for herself. Uh I don't know what I was saying. And I like her. She just We have a bad relationship when it comes to coffee. Cafe.

I think um I think most Packers fans, win or lose, will overreact and it will be Probably annoying regardless. It'd be more fun if it's. Like A win, obviously, but I don't think we're going to have a, as a fan base overall, I do not think we're going to have a measured response. to Sunday's game. Is that fair?

Well, yeah, it's week one. And it's the Bears, and it's a new era. And it's all of the other stuff that goes with it. Wait, so Gran, what what's your uh Gran, you're going to overreact? To to a win or a loss.

Mm-hmm. Or mm-hmm. Probably not. No. Unless it's the only way I will overreact is if the Packers blow them out.

And it'll be like tongue-in-cheek overreaction if I get blown out? Would you overreact to getting blown out, Grand? Um Depends on what Wow. You get blown out, you get blown out. I was going to say depends on what it looks like, but it's not going to look good.

Definitive trouncing of the Packers. You're going to overreact to that. Maybe, yeah, maybe I would. Maybe I might.

Well, and Grant also is on a radio show, so you have to. Yeah, whereas here in the podcast world, everything can be measured and long form, whereas I'm beholden to the nuance. I'm not worried about the meters. You know Yeah. And here's the other one.

Okay. This is from I Did Writer Than You on Wednesday, past tense. Mm-hmm. And one of the buy or sells was Buy or sell. In the finale of Hard Knocks, Aaron Rodgers admitted to seeing a UFO.

Since signing with the Jets. Buy or sell Aaron Rodgers saw UFO. You sold the hell out of that, didn't you? I did, and I referenced past tense. A map There's this map I saw where it was.

UFO sightings around the world. Like a heat map. And it's basically all the United States. And Europe. Like nobody in Asia is seeing UFOs.

So you're saying white people. Just love seeing UFOs and saying that we love. Not all white people, but. I feel like it's mostly white people. Right.

Well, we look at the sky, and it could be a million different things, and we're like, Nope. Aggly urns. Yes. Which then I also went into my Hot or my take that aliens missed their window. Which is a good take.

That's a good take. Yeah. They missed their best opportunity to. It reminds me of that one Taryn Killum character on Saturday Night Live.

Next. Yeah. Well, you said it on CBS Sports Radio a couple of weeks ago. Where it's like, oh, aliens are here. Great.

I'm going to. Do you hear what Sean Payton said today? Yeah. I don't give a shit. Yeah, call your call your boss on a Saturday night and say Uh Mr.

Sir, I don't think I'm coming in. This alien invasion is pretty fucked up. And be like Do you want to take a half day? I mean, we need you here. Take me to your leader, sir, right this way.

Right this way. You want to run for president? I forgot that we're even oh, overreaction. Yes. Well, you know, classic overreaction Monday next week, Paul.

We go all out for that on sports radio.

So. Yeah. Otherwise, no. But that's why I preface the topic even says here in me notes: be honest, Colin, win or lose.

So it's like, you know, what's your real, like, what's what would be your non Oh, I didn't remember. I didn't hear you said be honest.

Okay. Well, that changes everything. But Grant's saying that he might sensationalize it for the sit, you know, like Grant won't because he's a pro. But some people might on the radio sensationalize it because it's over Reaction Monday. But would you really honestly sensationalize it?

I went to. I went to Jacksonville for a game that one year and Packers won. But, like, by a field goal, was that the fake spike thing with Davante? No, that was Miami.

Okay. But I was there. I was at that one too. I'm like a world traveler, kind of. Yeah, you are.

At least Florida. Which all filled in for me and. He starts, he goes, Packers win, but there were problems. And Chuck's like. Joe, we don't always have to be negative.

It's like You know, 'cause the sports talk mind is like. What are we gonna rip on? What are we mad about? He's like, just talk about the win. Do you have the clip of when you interviewed Joe?

Was he at like the Badgers Bowl game, and you didn't take it seriously at all? He got super pissed about. Do you remember talking about? I'm trying to remember the Hepperfinger and Horvot interview. Yeah, Horvot and I were years ago.

And He was pissed. I remember that. Joe was pissed. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

I don't remember all the context of it. Half of Ingo got on, and we had told him: just say we left, say we weren't interested, and we left. And so Effelfinger did the interview. Yeah. Joe is mad.

Yeah. But didn't Wasn't weren't like Kappelfinger's questions Uh didn't you tell them to ask? There was something about the questions themselves, though, too, wasn't there? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll have it.

I'll. Will you please air that? Tack it on, would you? Maybe I'll hashtag tack it on. All right, I have two more football questions to get to in the next 15 minutes, but I have to do a quick intermission here.

A few weeks ago, Bart, you said you were mature enough that you say now mature, and you're mature enough that you now say envelope. Or you are mature to the point that you say vase. Oh, no, I say vase. Oh, so you still got room to grow. Yeah, you do.

I don't have any vases in my house. I was watching Curb. And uh Jeff's wife La uh said um Can you pick up that vase for me? And I was like, oh, that's that's that's one pretentious step too far. Um I wonder if the mature host of the Bart Winkler show agrees with Vaz, but nope, nope, nope.

And then Jeff Green slash Jeff Garland's like, Boz! I love his voice. I love listening to him yell. Does have a great voice. He's great.

He maybe is at his best in the film Daddy Daycare. If that's not a film you've showed your son, you have. Like The number of times My wife and I watched Daddy Daycare just because it's a good movie, even before having kids, was in the double digits comfortably. We have since shown it to the kids. It's a wonderful film.

No, you can't call it a film, but it's a great movie. It's good cinema. Tai Chi Under the Tree. Eddie Murphy really is cooking in that movie. It's a great film.

Anyway, like, there's the favorite part is like when the kid comes out of the bathroom, I missed. Yeah. Well, what what does that mean? I miss. You know, when Jeff plays Havanagila, there's always something Jewish with him.

That's what I love about Curb. I hear Jewish sounding music now, and I'm like, ah, this could be in Curb. You say faux pas, or do you say Fox Pass? Yeah. I say Fox Pass.

You say uh Le Courte Aurel. Or Le Couterae. Do you say entree or entry? They say entry. Yeah.

What's your entry? What's your entry? Um I have an appetizer and then this will be my entry. All right. Vase is incorrect.

Mm-mm, it's vase. All right. If you see if you see a menu And they don't have... Price is on there. That's gonna be the most expensive meal of your life.

Yeah. It didn't go where I thought it was going to go. No, it did not. This is a super duper uh Well hold on, we're at forty seven fifty. Tim, take out Fake accent restaurant 4750 in post.

Only at Golden Corral. The Tim edit and post bit. I love it. It's funny. But it's funny because The other people like tweet it.

Oh, Tim didn't take it out in post. That's just funny. Especially because it was built organically. Like, no one ever at any point forced it, but just everyone picked up on it. All right.

Andrew Jim doesn't know how to use any of this equipment. And he's never edited anything in post. No. It's like if you would have asked Horvat in real life to actually do something in post, Horvat was gone at 9:58. Like, I've gone back through the archives to try to find old clips from shows.

And the problem is, whenever Horvot was cutting the podcast, it just says hour one, hour two, hour three. And there's no description worth a shit. Guys talk football. Or there's like descriptions so bad that he shouldn't have even had them. Bart and Ryan talk football, and that's it.

I'm like, that's not. helping me find what I'm looking for. Yep, yep. He always had to go. There was always an I mean, the I just remember there always being a reason that he had to leave at 9.59 or whatever.

Like, he could never stay to get the 9 o'clock pop. Cut up. Yeah. Okay. All right, here's three.

Rapid, somewhat rapid fire football questions is for us to conclude. And this, this one's gonna be very sports radio topic, but I was thinking about it. And I'm asking it because I'm curious. If you could only pick one day in time for the Packers to play at all season, It would be. Oh, uh Sunday at three twenty five.

That's my answer. Because I like the red zone block. I like Sunday night. I like Sunday night. And for my post-games, which I'm doing.

I can do it from 6:25 to 7:25 and then watch the Sunday night game. Also, the other games I'm usually missing at that time. if the packers are playing at that time they're like the premier game I can miss Rams Broncos. I can miss... Yeah, Chargers Cardinals Raiders.

Yeah, I can miss Chargers Raiders. Because in the background at 330, they are the thing. Yeah. Sunday night is fine. I mean, Monday night, they're all fine.

Sunday at noon blows because there's eight other games happening. You miss the opportunity cost is greatest when the Packers play at noon. I prefer to watch them at noon because then I can have time to come down. The rest of my day, if they lose, or I have time, I have time to ride that high. The highlights during the OT show on Fox, it's football night in America.

Now we're reliving Packers' highlights. Let's go to Rodney or Tony Dungy and hear them stumble through some take about how the Packers won. It's but but I miss all the other games at noon if the Packers play at noon.

So I'm in agreement here. The non-Packers game you're looking most forward to this weekend. Is, and I'll suggest one to you because that's how the game works. Thank you. Jets Bills.

Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm. I wouldn't say I'm looking forward to it. In the classical sense, you're most curious about it? I am most intrigued by it.

Okay, let's pick a game. Let's pick three games: curious, confident, and concerned. Let's do three. All right, I'm curious in Jets Bills.

Okay. I'm confident in Ravens. Texans, that would be my survivor pick. We'll say. And I'm concerned.

About The Niners, Steelers. I don't know. I think the Steelers will win. I like that I know who every team plays. I don't know if you are depending on if you air this Thursday or Friday, I think there's reason to be concerned as an NFC North.

Team fan. That if the Lions do beat the Chiefs, Presumably without Kelsey, I guess we'll wait to see if that happens or not.

Well, that would be it. I mean, that would be one hell of a way to start the regular season, is like the Lions going into the world. And going into this week, I said. The most like rock the boat outcome would be that. Even if the Cardinals beat the Commanders, whatever.

But the Lions have a chance, had a chance, will have who knows. It's probably airing Friday, so I don't want to do it too much. The, but it's okay.

So, you want to say you're not most looking forward to Jets, Bills, but you're most. What'd you say, intrigued by Jets Bills? I am beyond captivated to see how Rogers looks. Yeah, but you're going to get pissed by the time the ball is kicked off. You're going to be pissed about one clip that they ran of Rogers or about something else.

I don't know. He's preemptively piss here. Yeah. What would be like another runner-up? Because I almost was going to exclude the Jets because that's unfair.

Um I do think the 49ers Steelers could be good. I am intrigued to see Jacksonville versus Anthony Richardson. Browns, uh, Bengals. I want to see if the Browns don't suck. I'm intrigued that we want, we probably won't be able to see it because.

Yeah. Yeah, I probably will get excited for that once it's happening, but I'm not I want to see the Dolphins and the Chargers. It's at the same time as Packers, Bears. The Dolphins, Chargers is a good one, I was going to say. Yeah.

God, it's gonna be dumb lit. Just god, it's gonna be God You you almost went full Napoleon. Copple movie. Was not my thing at all. Napoleon Dynamite?

Never seen it. Never Never seen it.

Okay. Stupid. Um Any other Entries or entrees into this conversation? Otherwise, I'll do my last one. Yeah.

Yeah, you can do your you can do your final final MVP race? You get Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes, or you get the field. Hertz and Mahomes or the field you would take Holmes and Yeah. You would take, I think you would take my field game. Let's do it.

Where you keep stacking until You don't take the field anymore. I'm I would take the feel at Hertz and Mahomes. You would likewise, I would as well.

Okay, well, I've got my eye, I've got my eye on. Two guys. Forboard? No. Lamar.

He won't play enough. Yeah. The Lamar hype has gone too high now. I was riding it. I was with it until a point, and now I'm like, and the guy I actually bet to win the MVP.

Whichever Lawrence. Love, love, love, love. I have a great argument too. Which I presented to the national folks. And I'll present to you.

No one's going to watch Jacksonville this year. They're never on TV.

Okay. So if Jacksonville wins eleven or twelve games. Like you're not gonna be like If the Chiefs win, you say. Yeah, Mahomes is good, but man. The running game was good there.

Travis Kelsey does a bunch. Lawrence is going to get all the credit. You're just going to be like, oh, Lawrence must be having a great year. Mm. MVP.

without actually watching it. Yeah. But if they win 12 games, won't it be because he is very good?

Well, yeah, I mean, this is kind of. I feel like I'm. trying to act smarter than I am, but. I would take. No, I'm not trying to shoot a hole in your.

I think you have a good point. It's also harder to win MVP if no one's ever watching you, like if you're never on national TV.

So there's that too. But I would agree with you.

Now, I will say that the MVP odds are. in line with who I have grouped. I see a lot of these quarterback tears and my tier is elite. where Patrick Mahomes is in his own tier. And then Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Hertz, Jackson, and Lawrence.

Are in the next tier. These are all the franchise quarterbacks. Not one team would trade long term. For any other Jacksonville would not trade Lawrence for any of those guys except Mahomes. Herbert, they would not trade for any other guy.

Yeah, then you throw in like Dak and Rogers, you know Rogers, we'll see if he's good. Did you see what our favorite sports talk show is doing? They're not doing quarterback tiers this year, they're doing Mahomes Mountain. I didn't see Mahomes Mountain. I thought that's good.

I wish I would have.

Well, what am I? Jack was too high. This is first things first. Yeah. He 'cause he had uh Nick Wright had Jackson and uh Lawrence.

By the way. Lamar, I should say. No one ever calls him Jackson. Yeah. Yeah.

Jackson Mahomes. Jackson Mahomes. Stonewall Jackson.

So, Grant, where's your cutoff? Jackson Brown. Grant, how many of those, by the way, the next celebrity death that will make me very depressed? That's the next one on the doubtless. Don't be preemptively depressed about it.

The version of stay. That's like 15 minutes? That's the one you have to check out. 'Kay. What's Jackson Brown's best song?

Do you have an opinion? Uh Yeah. Maybe you don't listen to that much, JB. I don't know. No, I do have an opinion.

Paul? One second. I feel like the one I like. It's got to either be between Doctor My Eyes, running on empty, the pretender, somebody's baby. These days, tender is the night, stay reading.

Yep. Those are the hits. Yeah, those are the biggies. Those it's gotta be between one of those, right? Yeah, yeah.

I'm very much into I'm very much into Doctor My Eyes.

Okay. That was the first one that I said because it was my first choice, not because it was the first on this list I just saw. Uh grant? I don't know. I don't know that I haven't.

I don't know. I rotate. With the artists you like the most, you kind of bounce around, but. Would you have described his style as like emo or like alt-rock? Did he write somebody's baby?

Yeah. I believe so. Because that's been done a few times. Let's see. Yeah, uh somewhat recent.

He did write it. Yeah, I just I just looked. That's a r that's a really good song. My favorite. Oh, Phantom Planet covered it for Not Another Team movie.

You probably were a Phantom Planet guy. I was. And not only that, Not Another Team Movie. Is a top 10 movie. I like not another teen movie.

It's so fucking good. But then all those other movies suck. Scary movie was good. Scary movie was good. But then like Dynasty fantasy movie, all those ones sucked.

I think Bart, did you ever see did you ever see Swim Fan back in the day? No, sir. What were you too scared as a swimming guy? Probably. But but before we wrap up, could I ask you guys for a recommendation?

I'm thinking of watching news radio. Is that something I should watch? I don't know. I don't think I've seen news radio. You won't even recognize Joe Rogan.

You'll be like, who is this guy? He's kind of cool. You'd be like, I want to listen to his personal thoughts. I feel like the hate. The hate for Joe Rogan has now become too much.

I feel like it was warranted for a bit, but we can't find a nice middle ground to society that Joe Rogan occasionally has a good podcast. I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater with rogues. Uh Phil Hartman died during the airing of the show. Oh. So then they brought in What did they do?

Well I was just watching clips the other day, and I saw the guy from Barry, Fuchs. And he was in No Country for Old Men, which I made my dad watch with me this weekend, too. And I almost didn't recognize him. Yeah, news radio's good. News radio is kind of forgotten about.

Oh man, Joe Rogan. Yeah, he does not look like that anymore. Anywho. Oh, then they brought in Lovett's. John?

Yeah. Anywho. Yeah, that's it. Grant, do you know who Phil Hartman is? Probably.

Yeah. Don't read there's a section of his Wikipedia that's Uh no actually. I don't think I know who this is. His wife killed him. Oh, murder-suicide.

Yeah. Jeez. Yeah. Dark. He was a I mean he was a hundred different things frozen caveman lawyer They really just named shows whatever they wanted back in the day.

No, no, no, that wasn't that character, character, character. Yeah. Yeah. Excellent. Uh He's Troy McClure.

Can you get a chest x-ray or something? You don't even smoke. Like, you know he could mute his mic and chooses not to. I have been mostly. He's marking timestamps for Tim.

He'll just edit that out in post. That's true. Yeah. That's true. This is our last before football season starts, boys.

This is special. We're about to really be in the thing. We made it. We made it. We did.

We did it. We did it. Hands in the middle. Yeah. I gotta go.

I do as well. Me also. You guys do well? Be well. Enjoy week one.

Enjoy it. Goodbye. Goodbye. Oh, all right, yeah, it shows over. Mm-hmm.

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