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Good. Good morning, everybody. This is the Bart Winkler Show. And today's episode, we're talking about how the Packers had two weeks to prepare for the Denver Broncos off a buy and could not get the victory. In Denver on this Sunday afternoon.

Again, I'm Bart Winkler. Great to be with you. Um, I mean, it is great to be with you. Uh it is not like great to be talking about a loss. I do need to do one thing real quick.

And again, I'm trying to get off this platform. It's really just the worst thing about my life. There's this guy that keeps tweeting me about how much. Jordan Love sucks. After week one, I said the league is not prepared for Jordan Love.

To be this good. I think I'm going to hold off on that tweet. I mean, it's every week. I never hear from the guy. I could just block him.

Whatever. This is just so stupid. I just, there's people with agendas. And I don't want to deal in the agenda business. There's people that have decided Jordan Love is bad.

and you're going to use whatever you can use. To prove that as evidence. If you've decided that Jordan Love is bad. You can collect some tape and show us that Jordan Love is bad. I'm not dismissing that.

That last play. Uh was not great. The touchdown. Either of them, I mean, well, maybe Dobbs could have got that one, but it was a weird angle. The one that was the Fail Mary part two, you know, underthrown.

One of my buddies is saying Jordan Love doesn't have a clutch gene. I mean, he did. Bring the Packers down to eventually win that game, but then the Broncos hit a field goal.

So I don't know. With Jordan Love, there's enough there. on through six games. That if you want to definitively say he's bad. You can show me some evidence and say, look, this guy's bad.

I don't know why you would do that.

However. I don't know why you would I don't know why I don't know what that does. Uh, even if you think that this is the best that he's going to be. That we have so much more time to discover this.

So, yes, there's going to be a lot of people talking about Jordan Love. Bears fans are being real obnoxious, thinking that. Tyson? Pagent is better than Jordan Love as they would because they care more about our team. Then they care about their own.

It's just a fact of life. But I think where I'm with with Jordan Love is: look, I. Thought on that last play, I did not think that was going to be caught. Before they showed us the screen, I thought this is not going to be a caught ball. And that doesn't show the confidence that I have.

In the offense, it shows a lack of confidence that I have in the offense, a lack of confidence that I have in LaFleur, a lack of confidence in you didn't need that much, why are you going for it? Knowing that it was probably going to be double covered as it usually is in that situation, and not thinking that he would Get there.

So, if this is going to be a Jordan Love show, I would probably bow out me. Right now, because I still think there's way too much time before we make definitive claims. I'm Jordan Love. I'm very. adamant about that and and I want to be very cautious not to make definitive claims about a guy who is not getting any favors.

When I talked to Pete Bukowski from Lockdown Packers, it really had an eye-opening experience for me. Credit to Pete. Is that Jordan Love is young? Young enough, young in terms of starts. I know he's been in the system for a handful of years, but he's young enough in starts where.

I don't know that the best thing to develop him. is to have a very young offensive line. and very young wide receivers. And very young tight ends, guys who will be missing assignments, guys who will be dropping passes, guys who will be making mistakes. As you're trying to get him to learn.

from mistakes. And now all of a sudden he's got to worry about everybody else's. You know, he's got to worry about I drove the field and then this guy dropped it. I did this, but then there was a missed assignment. I couldn't even get the ball off because the offensive line.

I made a play, but there was a holding. Everybody in tandem being young is the dream of baseball general managers, where they're all young. You bring the farm system. The Packers are essentially trying to do. Ricky Weeks, Prince Fielder, Corey Hart, Ryan Braun.

in the NFL in 2023. And I just don't think that that works. And we're seeing that it doesn't work as the Packers do lose. to the Denver Broncos. On Sunday afternoon.

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Some of the comments that are coming in, Adam says that was fuggly. As hell. John says Clifford time love blows. We would have to get much, much deeper into the season. Before we get into that.

Portion of this. If you want to see what Sean Clifford looks like, I wanted to see what Jordan Love looked like for the last three years.

So, if you want to see what the backup looks like, you know, we want to see what these guys look like. What do you look like? in the system. Again, though, I think that ultimately. This is a team that was poorly constructed.

Or this was the goal. The goal was to design a young team, move them along. But when you're trying to develop a quarterback like this, It isn't going to work now. He made some nice plays, he had some nice runs. Ultimately, Um I'm I'm still where I'm at.

with the every game. He has maybe The Bears game was the pinnacle, and that's bad. The Bears game was the pinnacle. There was the Saints game where he came back and. That was a really good moment.

But I would have liked to see through six weeks more improvement. At this point, and it seems like there's more, it's stagnant, or he's getting, I don't want to say getting worse, but some of the things that are. Being pointed out in the early weeks. are still able to be pointed out here.

So that I understand. If there's some concern and frustration, I would still then say this entire team is young. I want to see better from love. But I'm not, I mean, Sean Clifford outside of. Reading this comment.

Is a comment is the last thing out of my Mouth. Why chuck it up at the end? I have no idea. I don't know why they do that. Um that I would have if Aaron Rodgers did that, I would have Been very upset and said, Oh, he's playing hero ball.

I don't understand why that happened, unless there was nothing else than take another down and try it again on fourth down. Throwing in the double coverage, it cannot be. I mean, at some point, someone's got to teach. mistakes also. You know, we can get in here on a YouTube chat and talk about what we don't like about Jordan Love.

But if the same things are happening, where's the teaching? What happened in Green Bay over this bye week? What happened in the last two weeks? Was there any discussion of any kind? That's the game plan you come out with?

Look, I'm going to go trick-or-treating next week, walking around with my phone, like one of these dumb dads, missing out on like trick-or-treating. We did tricker trading. This would be the third year of trick-or-trading. The first year was one of the greatest things of my life. He was so great.

Wow. Last year, I went to a Packer game. I should not have done that bad, bad move. This year I'm gonna be walking around as they Play the Vikings, and what am I gonna be? What am I gonna be?

watching. You let Russell Wilson beat you. You let the Denver Broncos beat you. You let Sean Payton beat you. I think I'm going to start getting mad about this one.

This one, I sat down. Right as the interception was thrown, I came down, ready to do a show. Let's just talk through it. I think, as the show progresses, I think I'm gonna get a little more angry because this is really, this is bunk. This is not.

You can't lose. You cannot lose. You cannot lose to Sean Payton. And a lot of people are to blame, sure, but this is an organizational thing. They didn't come in here with any sense of urgency.

They cannot score in the first half. Zach Cruz had the stat. I'll try to find that. About how the first halves are so deficient. the Packers.

They have not scored. In the last 120 minutes of first half football, that is 30, 60, 90. That is four games. They're not scoring in the first half. Then you start to see Kevin Harlan even said it, and the broadcast said it: this looks like a different team.

Look at this. This looks like a different team. Where is that in the first half? Not that even the second half is that great. It's not even that great in the second half.

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You need indeed. Oh, let's see. LOL is our talent plus Matt LaFleur this bad or one or the other?

Well That's from Brewers. Kill 823. The Pack again, the Packers, what I'm going to keep coming back to is that they're a young team. And that was by design.

Now, I don't know that Matt LaFleur is the right guy to be this guy, like to motivate and to get the most out of a young team. Basically, the Packers, my takeaway is they are not good enough. to win the kind of games that they shouldn't be losing. They're not good enough. to win these kind of games.

And that is a problem. That is an issue. That should not be happening. They have bad first halves. They have bad penalties.

The injuries stacked up. I can't even. I can't even like get to. Who all got hurt? Musgrave got hurt.

Obviously, he got jacked up. Savage got hurt. Stokes got hurt.

Somebody else got hurt in this game. Jair didn't play. We thought he would play. Aaron Jones, did he get hurt? He disappeared.

Although. This was the best A.J. Dillon looked. I don't care if he's had more yards or touchdowns or whatever. This was the best.

If A.J. Dillon looked like that every game, I think we'd be a lot happier. How about what we're getting from him? 15 for 61. Aaron Jones was 8 of 35.

Dylan, 234 receiving. Yes, I am. Partially box score reading, but it is to help the conversation. Flow. Bala says, I think it's more le fleur than love.

Love is certainly not. At the point where I would hope he'd be through this portion of the season. But if I had to blame one person. I think I would blame I would blame LaFleur. I mean, you've had three years with this guy.

There's one discussion about. Does Matt LaFleur not think Jordan Love is ready? Does he not think that he can push the ball down the field? Is he not confident in Jordan Love?

Well, if that's the case, how did we get here? If you didn't think Jordan Love was ready. If you didn't think Jordan Love was ready, Aaron Rodgers should be under center. If you didn't think Jordan Love was ready. Like it does no purpose.

To Play Jordan love. and then handcuff him. If Jordan Loves out there, you have to let him play. And you have to let him try to learn. Because you're losing these games anyway.

So you can't be thinking if Matt LaFleur is thinking about his. record or trying to win or like I think if you allow these guys to play. The wins are more likely to come than if you handcuff them and try to protect. Uh um like You're playing not to lose. If you play not to lose, you're going to lose.

If you play to win, you just might win. You might also lose. But you're already losing. Chuck says that game was like a dead skunk on the side of the road. Oof, that is a Bill Michaels.

Euphemism, if I ever heard one. Not insulting, just saying that is a Very Bill Michaels. Uh we To go. Andy, who is a Bears fan, asked if they should start their backup. No, stop doing that.

Please stop doing that. Here's one. I'm glad you decided to start talking about this guy as bad. I'm just saying I would have liked to see more from Jordan Love. At this point.

If you want to say that he's bad. I don't think that you are able to definitively say that yet. Losing a game to the Broncos is not good on anyone's resume.

However, I will. Admit that. Charles, love, obviously, what are you doing? But this team just sucks in the first half. That's coaching, especially off of a bye week.

WTF LaFlower.

So, what are we going to do here? Is this what we're going to do?

So it's basically Spider-Man meme. Right? I point to LaFleur. You point to Goody and then someone else points to love. And we just try to figure out.

Why everyone is so terrible and so bad. And I mean, it's a little of all of them. I think if so, if we had a good Aaron Rodgers. Or a better quarterback than love. then some of this stuff might get masked.

If we had a better coach. Maybe love looks better. If we had a better roster. Maybe all of this is better.

So I think that the three like The three things put together. Jordan Love being a guy who needs reps and needs starts. Under a coach who I don't think is very competent at all. Um And I don't think he's ready. I don't think he's ready for this.

Again, I would rather have Matt LaFleur on his second job. He's going to get fired someday. He's going to be a. Jim Leonard, for whatever, and he's going to sit in a box, he's going to coach again, he's going to be better. I want that.

I don't want this. We're getting. We're getting uh this and I don't Want that. I want. I want better.

I want better than this. Um And then you have Goody, who on purpose. put together this roster not like Oh, if you would have just had Alan Lazard, you would be better. I don't know. Mercedes-Lewis.

I mean, I don't know. One like. Safety blanket guy? And I know Rogers met maybe another reason Rogers wanted all those guys. Get all those guys out there.

Because then they can't be in. In Green Bay, and then it'll show everybody. Just how bad everybody is. Garrett asking again why the deep shot. KJ says The whole team is bad.

Daniel says, Bart, you were correct earlier this week. Terrible coaching plus young players equals worst team in the league. And again, I thank Pete Bukowski for. guiding me to that point. Baseman Dave.

I thought I was talking this whole time by myself. Where's everybody? I don't I don't know man. I mean, people are watching. Is it just the same old shit stuff?

There's a kid here. Yeah, whatever he's fine. No. I kind of half-watched. You know, it was one of those things.

I actually got up early. Smoked a brisket today. Um Yeah. Yes, it was good. Good for you.

Phenomenal.

So I'm kind of treating this season as a just. Hey. Smoke a brisket Sunday if you watch the game you watch the game Hopefully things improve. If not. You know, it is what it is.

I'm not expecting Sunday. I like that.

Okay. Yeah. Because Badger games usually are rake the leaves. Mow the lawn Saturdays. Yes.

Yes. Well, you have Matt LaPay in the background. Talking about nothing or whatever. Touchdown Wisconsin. Mm-hmm.

We'll get Tim's shakeaways on that later this week. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. It was I actually actually did watch. The second half of the Badger game yesterday.

I haven't watched too much, but I woke up from my nap. And uh turned it on and was like, oh hey, this is entertaining.

Well, we had something. Yeah. A lot of people tweeting throughout the show. Buckstart Thursday. We will have a post-game show.

Don't you worry about that.

Okay. Yeah. So I think another comment that I'm getting is You know, people are like, this is it. This is what we wanted. This is.

70s and 80s. Can we get through a season before we equate it to two decades of suck? Like And also, the 70s and 80s are different. They made the playoffs in the 80s once. That is true.

Yeah. Nothing? Dr kids drinking Fanta? Oh yeah, sorry, yeah, he's into that right now. Hmm.

Sorry. My kid's not had soda yet at age four. Yeah, no, he's six now and then he just started drinking soda. I've offered it to him. Yeah, same.

Mm-hmm. But he doesn't want it. Maybe I think I think what's happened is his grandma. has been uh Like she always texts me stuff about acetaminophen or whatever, or aspartame in the diet soda. And I think she's gotten to him.

I think 'cause she can't get through me, I think she's gotten to him.

So I think he's worried about His first esportation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what else you got, Dave?

I that was it. I just wanted to say that I'm kinda treating this season as a Whatever. Uh, Smoke a Brisket Sunday kind of deal. You know, it's on in the background and then when the brisket's done. You watched the second half and You hope for the best.

I just hate to see Christian Washington going down like he does. Watson went down too. I didn't mention that. Yeah, that one I was like Is he gonna be the next uh uh what's his name? Um Dr.

Michael Finley, where's so much problem? You know, the over-under on Christian Watson touchdowns this year. Was four and a half. And I thought that was the most insulting thing that I've ever seen in my life. And it just shows you that Vegas knows everything.

He's got one touchdown so far. Right. Is he gonna and I mean, what are we, week seven? Would you take the over on four and a half now? I don't know.

When's he gonna play? No. I wouldn't So this guy had a bolt, he had double-digit touchdowns last year. We don't even think he's going to get five. I don't know.

I guess we'll see. He didn't finish the game, right? I mean, Case, come on. No. I don't even know who they even targeted that last play.

I just saw it was a pick and ran downstairs. Yeah, I don't know. And then the one, so our both touchdowns today, one was Fail Mary Part 2, which Gene Sterator is making rules up afterwards. And then the other one was a volleyball play. Yep.

My gosh. Speaking of which Yeah, you got volleyball? I was coaching my daughter's team, Boxhaft South, uh, Black Shirts Junior volleyball. We just finished our season up yesterday. And uh they did well.

They have some good girls coming up for Walk Shah South, so Look out. Do they need a post-game show coverage?

Okay. Yes. We'll do that next time. I'll let you know. I'll let you know.

All right, Dave, enjoy. Hopefully, bedtime's not too late tonight with that 6:30 p.m.

soda. Yeah, no, he'll be all right. He's raring to go, his eyes are huge. All right, Dave. Take you later, Case.

See you later. See you, little basement junior. All right, see ya, Bart. All right, that's basement, Dave, and Baseman Junior This is Green Bay Depression. Hey Bart, how you doing?

What's up? I hear my echo. Why do I hear the echo? I I don't know. All right, well, well.

I'll just let you talk. I'll just let you talk. And I won't talk.

Okay. So first time, long time, I just wanted to come in and. You know I've been listening to you since the Chuck and Winkler days, so it's been a long time. I haven't really. you know interact with you in a while so whatever um Basically, for me, I think the whole team sucks.

It stems down from love to Buffleur to Joe Berry. It's just frustrating. But um to say that it's all LaFleur's fault, I wouldn't agree personally. I feel like LaFleur is a little restricted on his play calling because when we talk about not taking deep shots all the time. We saw three deep shots and none of them connected with the whatever the Fuck the pic was that crap.

Um, and so I feel like he's scared, and I feel like I agree with you to the point where he doesn't feel like he trusts love, and I feel like. That's kind of on love. He's had three years in the system to kind of. Watch Aaron Rodgers go through practices, improve on his game. All that stuff.

Um But It's still on the floor. I mean, not everything's on the offense. We come out slow every single freaking game against the fucking Raiders, the Broncos. The Falcons, the Saints, these are bad teams. And to say that word.

Yeah, I wanted to. Shit on the Bears because they were all excited about Bajin. I don't want to say, dude, you just beat the Raiders. But then I remembered. They beat us.

They beat us. Yeah, Brian Horrier's not Garoppolo, and Garoppolo's bad. But I just, it's just frustrating, you know, to come out slow like this against a team that is utterly terrible like the Broncos. I don't know what their defense is ranked. I know it's low.

Um But one week, Dylan's not playing well. The next week, Aaron Jones comes back. We give him four carries. It's like, what's the point of bringing him back if we're not going to use him? Christian Watson's Getting free money.

Um but I don't know it's I feel like it's a lot of things happening. I think it's love being bad, I think it's LeFleur being bad. I think it's The team's bad. It's just it's it's frustrating. Yeah.

Well, we are bad. We got next week, the Minnesota Vikings. That should be. Fun. Where do we go after that?

The Rams.

So we'll see. It's going to be a lot. Again, we're going to be playing these games that. We're not good enough to win the games we should not be losing is my that that's my put that on a t-shirt today. Yeah, I would agree with that.

I think it's frustrating for me because we could have gone through the growing pains last year. I feel like they knew they were going to go to love after that upcoming year, and when you're four and eight. Even if you have a slimmer of a chance of going to the postseason, why don't we get these love games out of the way then? And then see what we got with him adjusting an offseason with him. Um I just feel like if you're going to go with Love, you should have done it from the get-go.

And if you're going to go with Rogers, you should have just. went with Rogers full-on force. Um I think it's We got to watch a full season still. I'm not going to make any presumptions on whether or not love is the guy yet. He's had a shitty offensive line.

Injuries across the board. Just Gotta let the season play out. I feel like Packard fans are just. stuck up on the fact that We could go to the Super Bowl. I think all of us know deep down that we were not going to go to the Super Bowl this year.

This was a see what this young team can do. You know, see who's a weapon, see who's not, and then go on to the next year, deal with the contract stuff. Um I think we just gotta have this season for what it is. It's a rebuild season, and we just got to kind of go through the growing pains, kind of like in the 80s, and kind of readjust. I mean, Losing to the Broncos is just sad.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to let you go. Green Bay Depression. You got a name?

You got a name? Name's Owen. Owen. Owen. See you, buddy.

See you, buddy. See you, Bart. Don't be a foreigner. Two, two. The show.

The show. I don't know why the echo is coming in, but good takes from Owen. Thoughtful, measured.

Now let's now let's get uh Emotional. Off the handle. Unadulterated. Tony in Texas. All right.

Now, this guy, Depression, Green Bay guy, didn't understand why Aaron Rodgers didn't play last year or played last year. And Jordan Love didn't play. Aaron Rodgers had this organization by the balls after he had two MVP years.

So once that happened and he got the contract, They were going to play him. And then he regressed last year. And then now they're not going to, you know, he got traded.

So, what do we have here, Bart? This is like 1985 all over again. I literally. I'm not ready for that. You guys, you guys, we can't look at six games and say it's two decades.

This season is like 1985.

Okay, referring on 1985. I think it was Forrest Gregg's one of his last years. Anyway, the team sucked. Yeah, why don't we do that? Why don't we go?

Is there like because we were hiring Bart Starr and Forrest Gregg and Let's get an old player to come back and coach. Oh, you want John Kuhn? Maybe not him. Um who's somebody you know who's you know who's coaching is uh Charlie Pepra, I think, is in some coaching. Um Who's somebody else?

You can get the ripper. Where did where did where Aaron Repowski drove off the Face of the earth, where do you go?

Well, Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers has been running this team for the last four or five years, anyway. Tony, you know what? If we ever play Denver, we got to somehow wear our green jerseys. I can't watch Denver when we're wearing our white jerseys. It takes me back to San Diego January of 98.

Yeah. which and i know the denver jersey's you know different logo and stuff but Well, they didn't wear their blue. In the Super Bowl, they wore the. It was not the exact same as the Super Bowl. We were in our white.

But we were in our white. And to play Denver when we're in our white. I don't like it. Yeah, no bueno, not good.

So, you, I think you compared Matt LaFleur to a fourth-grade art teacher? I said if he was not coaching, what would he be doing? And I came up with fourth-grade art teacher, yes. Yeah, the play calling. Holy shit, man.

It's just The play calling's horrible. The the lack of You got to open this game up a little bit more quick. I think the Packers have the worst scoring first half team in the league. Look that up. I think they are.

They have not scored in the first half their last four games. All right, so they're the worst scoring first half team in the league. I think they had a bot. They had a bye week, right? They had a bye week to print.

Maybe they scored three. And I read an article that I think it was your guy Domofsky said. They were trying to find ways to get their key playmakers the ball this past week. Where's that been all year?

So, you know, I know they weren't, you know, without Watson or without Jones, I feel like throwing something too. It's just so bad, the lack of creativity. What do you mean da Octavian Wicks threw a ball? I know that.

Okay, you can't keep it. You know what?

Sometimes it feels like this lack of creativity, like, it's not a creative offense. It is not. But then he'll run a play like that where he can be like. He can be like. That was interesting.

Like, okay, you're that it just feels like it's I don't know, it feels forced. I just feel like we're going backwards on, like, there's no, like, I think Grant always, or Grant or Paul always mentioned gravity or stuff with basketball. It feels like the gravity is pushing us back on offense. Like, we're literally going backwards. We can't get first downs.

It's so hard. It's just like we're in mud. Yes, sometimes when you watch other offenses, it looks like it's much easier for them. Even the shitty Broncos offense. I mean, uh what did they run for?

137. No, that was us.

So we ran for about the same. How come 137 yards for us rushing? Felt a lot less than 145 for them, Russia. Because it's in the second half. Are rushing?

Yeah, our rushing was in the second half. It was A.J. Dillon, the plotter. Just plodding along. And you know, we make these guys like, by the way, I'm going to talk about this injury report.

How the hell is Jair Alexander not play after a buy? What are these guys doing? I don't know. And it's like really weird. And I've never really.

People would call in in the past and say, Bitch about the trainers. And I just like. We don't see the trainers. I don't know anything about medicine. I don't.

But what I do know is that this doesn't seem normal. And especially You that you think they're gonna play, you think you're gonna play? Did we not just think that we were going to get blindsided with another Aaron Jones camp play today? And then he plays, but was he on a snap count? I mean, yes, AJ Dillon was running fine.

Maybe his best game, sure, of the year. But Jones just like... Like, like he, they play Jones like he's the guy who. You know how if you if you work at a place. You get one break a day or whatever, but if you smoke, you can just go outside whenever the fuck you want to smoke.

Yeah. That was he wait. Is he smoking? He's got more cigarette breaks than any player in this league. Where is he?

Where does he go? Put them back in. Yeah, and it's probably going to be his last year in Green Bay.

So, what are you waiting for, right? Yeah, they're saving him for a day that will never come. They've always saved him, they've been saving him for five years. For what? I I I I don't know.

Jones is a smaller running back, and I do think there was some kind of Reasoning for that for a long time, but now it's like, hey, it's he's this is it. You gotta, you gotta use your most electric player here. But I think last game against the Raiders. LeFleur was shocked he wasn't going to play and he had to scrap his old game plan. Here, Q's got a question for you.

Is this rock bottom for the Packers? No. No, lock bottom is. Rock bottom is when we decide love's not the guy. Move on from him.

And then the next guy's fucking worse. That'll be rock bottom. Actually, the worst game to me as a Packer fan is when we lost to the Vikings in Fars game back to Green Bay. Yeah, that fucking sucked. That was the worst to see him in purple just torching us, slicing us up.

So that was rock bottom, even though that team was pretty decent, we had. Yeah, man, it just I hate to say rebuild because this schedule is so easy. These are not good teams they're losing to, Bart. These are shitty teams. These are bad teams they're losing to.

So that division. In my opinion, it was up. I mean, they could have got. Competitive with the Lions. I'm not going to say they're going to win the division, but they should finish in at least second.

And I don't know if they will. Honestly, the Bears could finish ahead of us. Hot take. I'm going to bring in Jake. Jake Yeah.

Yeah, I'm here. What does JetSet Jake mean your name?

Well, um We were in London. Is it last week? Maybe about a week and a half ago. Yeah, didn't you go to Vegas? What are you doing?

Yeah, so um I'm visiting some friends in Arizona right now, but we were in Vegas yesterday. Just got back to Arizona today. But yeah, I went to the When We Were Young festival in Las Vegas. Who's in that? It was headlined by Blink182, Green Day.

uh offspring okay okay Yeah. Every band that I was listening to when I first started getting laid, so you know, they hold a special Place in your heart.

Sounds like the vans worked to her 20 years ago, Jake. Pretty much, except now that instead of costing $40 to get in, it was $330 to get in.

So. It was great. I had an $18 cheeseburger there. They had $9 monster energy drinks. That was cool.

Um Or ghost energy drinks.

Sorry, I got to get the branding right here.

So. Yeah, I uh I thought it was totally punk rock to see like a double vodka and ghost energy drink was $29. That's the most punk rock thing ever. That's how we do it. If you charge a shitload to get in.

You should like not be charging $18 for a cheeseburger. That's what I'm saying. Like I get that it's a festival, but like I don't know. Felt a little bit wrong to me. And it feels wrong that I'm in portrait mode here.

Let me go landscape. All right, now we're talking. Jesus. Fairness. Anyways.

Um Yeah, what a Yeah. Shit afternoon. Um first thing is that Uh I hate The three o'clock games, I think it's the dumbest thing. Every NFL game should be at noon on Sunday. That's just my opinion on that.

That'd be torture. That's a that's a terrible take.

Well, there is not everybody's hungover on a Sunday Bart.

So, I mean, Sam, I uh put in a shift before. The noon games, okay. I worked. I just think, especially once we go into this deal, every day you're going to be at the same time? Yeah, I just I think at least every game that I watch, like every Packer game should be at noon.

And when we get into the daylight savings time bullshit, I hate that you finish the game and it's just pitch darkness and you feel like your day is over. And especially when they lose, God, it's depressing.

Well, Mark Murphy once said: if we play a bunch of games at noon at Lambo, we're a shitty team. All of the next four games are at noon, three at Lambo. And then they have a Thanksgiving game and then a Sunday night against Kansas City if that stays there. Minnesota Rams, the Steelers, the Chargers, Detroit, Kansas City. I mean, is it possible we don't win another game?

Until St. Nick's Day. I hope that they don't win another game. This this team When you know, you know. And I know people will talk about LaFleur's record going in.

I don't care, they're soft as baby shit. They have no identity other than that they're soft.

Well, hey, Jake, it's not only about being soft though. This guy's an offensive guru. Where's the offense? They can't even score in the first half. No, we have the wide receiver throwing three-yard passes for first downs, like, because that's a thing we should do.

LaFleur thinks he's cute. I don't I don't like it. Tony in Texas. Hot take Jake. Matt.

In the falls. Congratulations to your Florida State Seminoles. Thank you. Big win over Duke. Yep.

First half, a little rough. Second half, steamrolled him. Championship team, we are. Doesn't Matt look weird in a jersey? Like, he doesn't look like he.

Jordan Love. I don't think he's wearing a jersey guy. Might be a two-year experiment there, Matt, with that jersey. Bart, what are you wearing and you're going to talk about a guy looking weird right now? Come on now.

This is a Tampa Bay Mutiny kit? What a kit. Jesus. 1999. Does that say number one surfer on it?

Like, that looks like something you would get a four-year-old boy that, like, my biceps ripped the shirt. It was so I was treading so fucking hard. You're looking spelt, buddy. No, I gained weight again. Hey, J uh Matt.

Bart mentioned you on his national show the other day. Did he? I did. Why? Why did I mention him?

Because you said we have a mutual friend. That's gonna, that said a voice, something about a voicemail. What voicemail? The voice knows that Matt left that following day. Yeah, what was it though?

About how dumb NFL coaches are? Yes. Yeah, that was it. Yes, I referenced your voicemail and teased my podcast show. Yes.

Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can I say something besides NFL coaches? 'Cause I saw Tony tweeted about like there's no good quarterbacks. Like, I feel like the talent might be.

too spread out in the league to where There's not a lot of talent, so everybody's just kind of like mediocre.

Well, where's the Hall of Fame quarterbacks that I grew up with? I mean, Troy Aikman, Brett Favre, Jim Kelly. Steve Young, Joe Montana.

Okay, Aikman just handed the ball off to Emmett Smith for 15 years. Yeah, Aikman is one of the worst all of the people. Aikman handed the ball off Clemet Smith. Mm-hmm. Aikman is usually the poster boy for guys that shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.

The greatest. Quarterback staff ever was Favre, Brunel, Ty Dettmer, and Kurt Warner. And Kurt Warner's their fourth guy. I mean, Aikman today is probably. Speaker.

Brock Purdy at best. Oh, come on. Yeah. Eggman was like a shittier Big Ben. He was like Bart Starr.

Are you going to rip on Bart Starr? Arsenal to ever play the game. He's the GOAT, man. I think that's a really good take, actually, Bart. That like he's the guy that has the perfect team around him to succeed.

And he just like does enough. That's a really great take. He won one game in his first year, and you didn't see people running him out of Dallas. Yet, Jordan Love. Is only two and four.

Brought the team back, by the way. Brought the team back. Let a touchdown drive. If the Broncos don't hit a 52-yard field goal, we're talking about Jordan Love's done it again. Just like we did with the Saints, he's done it again.

If we can replicate it and then he Throws a pick, and then Jordan Love sucks.

So Instead, you know, game's three minutes shorter. Jordan Love's great, but he threw up another pick on his ass. If we can get second half Jordan Love as full-time Jordan Love, yes, but. whether it's coaching, whether it's Jordan himself, like It's He's inconsistent at this point. Um I think he has at least another year to prove himself.

But I am done with the LaFleur, the entire coaching staff that's This team Like I said, they look soft, they look unprepared, and they play to their competition.

So What a shitty, shitty loss. I hope they don't lose or I hope they don't win another game. I hope Jordan Love just starts to ball out and they just somehow find a way to lose the rest of the way because. Um, this this team ain't it. Let me ask you this.

Are you let me ask both y'all this? Are you a big culture guy? Are you big like scheme guy? Like, would you rather have a culture guy, or do you want scheme? You're saying for a head coach?

Yeah, for your yeah, for your coach. I would say it's much easier to get a culture guy that can assemble a staff of Scheme guys than it is to get a Scheme guy to get like to build that culture.

So, like a Mike Tomlins, you know, culture guy. Yeah. But I look at Andy Reid, and I think Andy Reid's almost both. I look at Andy. I mean, he's just really good.

I mean, Andy Reid, to me, yeah, he's got a great quarterback, but he's done it at two spots already. for almost 30 years. They need to find some guy that can put some kind of innovation with the offense. But Let's face it, man, Green Bay. Not a lot of guys gonna want to go there unless you pay big bucks.

I don't buy that. I'm always barking about that, Tony. That's not a thing. You don't think that's a thing? In the NFL, that's not a thing, no.

OBJ didn't want to come here. He's a loser. Yeah, but he fucking sucks. Who cares? At the time, we wanted them.

Maybe. Sure, but he was still terrible at the time that they wanted him.

So, whatever. Two weeks after he signed with whatever team he ended up with, I don't remember. Not to mention, OBJ is a douchebag, so he wouldn't want to play. I don't feel like every NFL player is like that. I think they value.

Money number one and winning number two.

So maybe whatever nightclub is.

Somewhere on that list that they can go to in their city or nightlife, but I don't know. I feel like that's more of an NBA thing.

Well, we're going to see where this Matt LaFleur with the whole culture aspect, because they're going to lose a lot of games if he can keep that locker room together. Or are we going to hear a bunch of. Unnamed sources. You know, giving us some kind of rumors to talk about. We'll see that the next coming weeks.

Watch. I'm going to take off, but before I leave, and I know Bart will like this, can I just say fuck Aaron Rodgers again? Because. If we had that six extra games, maybe at this point we can comfortably start talking about: do we want to look at quarterbacks? Do we not want to look at quarterbacks in the draft?

But we can't. Yeah, Rogers should have sat last year. I agree. Hey, and I'm going to leave too, Bart, but I got to say this and Jake, don't leave. Paul Imek put a fucking curse on the Bucs by saying they're going to win a title with Damian Lillard.

Paul Imeck, tell him to tap the brakes on that part. We don't need that shit. What's wrong with that? He didn't put a curse on. Yes, that's just too much.

Does he have a history of cursing the team or something? Paul Immig basically said they're going to be hoisting a trophy with Damian Lillard. No, Paul asked a hypothetical. About, yes, he did. He said, when they win it, if they win a title, who do the TV cameras interview first?

Dame or Giannis. He's basically saying it's going to happen within the next two, three years. I don't have a problem with somebody saying the Bucs are going to win a title because, with that roster, they should win. If that doesn't happen, it's not because. You know, some fucking guy said it.

Yeah, it's because they blew it. Oh, are we all recovered from Terry Stottsgate, by the way? No! Nope, that's weird. He's the lead assistant.

Who cares? Well, hey, okay.

So if I wish LaFleur was more Adrian Griffin, Adrian Griffin did to Terry Stotz what LaFleur should have done to Joe Barry three fucking years ago. Barry Ray Rhodes like. No, that's weird. That's just weird. I don't like it.

Reprimanded one time and quit. That ain't on Griff.

Well, what if Tim Shea goes in there and starts telling you how to do your show? And then I'll say, Tim. That's great, but I'm in charge here. And then he's fucking quitting. It's Shane Winkler's show.

Shane Winkler. Winkler is second. Yeah. I might rather have Tim Shea as the head coach than Adrian Griffin. We'll see.

Time will tell. See, you're not hiding the bucks either. I'm not high on Adrienne Griffin. I'm high on the Bucs. That's the whole totality of this show.

Their over-under is 48 wins. I mean, That's kind of 50. It's up to 53 now. Is it up to 53? I looked at the first thing I looked at.

I would love to like see an exercise where If people were being brutally honest and you had this Bucks team Who would you be more confident in them winning a title with? Griffin or Bud? And if people were being honest, I think it would be overwhelmingly Bud, but that's just me. Fine. Bud Yeah.

Same. Griff Based on what? Based on that he kicked Terry Stotz's fucking... Uh Needy ass to the curb. I'd almost take Terry Stotz over him.

He's very experienced at job interviews. I can tell you that much. All we need is an experienced guy to not fuck it up and just let the players play. I'm trying to find out what LaFleur said.

Somebody says. That he said, I got to put my players in positions to succeed. Which he says every fucking week. Come on, man. You've had I mean, you've got endless video you're watching.

I mean I mentioned Zach Cruz before, but I like this tweet from him. Brian Goudekins created one of the most inexperienced offenses in recent memory, and LaFleur has found exactly zero ways to make them competitive. Hey, Cruz didn't block you? No, Cruise and I I think are good. Oh good.

I like cruise. Yeah. Well, in theory, the Packers should be explosive and athletic. You know, they're going to do dumb stuff, but I'm not seeing any kind of explosion. I have to go to my burner account to see what Domovsky's tweeting.

Oh.

So I have a burner account. Amos Miller? I but I don't tweet from it. Oh.

What's lame? What's the point of having a burner if you're not going to like it? I use it sometimes, I use it as Ike highways. Are you talking about Twitter? Yeah.

I like Aikai Ways.com. All that tweets on Twitter.com I change it to a girl. And I was going to like flirt with Drew and KB, and then I just never got around. Are you Sarah Ann Rhodes? No, I'm not her.

That is a guy, though.

Okay. Gotta love that Twitter. Anyways, boys, I'm going to let you go. I'll hang up and listen. See you, bud.

All right.

I'm going to go too, Bart. All right, Matt. Peace.

Alright, just you and me, bud. I guess so. What are you doing? Homework? Uh I'm trying to see what uh Schneidman and Rob Damaski are tweeting.

Who is Sarah Ann Rhodes? She's someone on Twitter that is very. She's someone on X. Oh, okay. Who has rallied against me for many years?

Um, Really, at first it was against my takes, but she'd agree on some and agree on none, or not all of them. But then I told people to wear a mask. Oh, wow. That's yikes. And since then, it's been.

Uh and it's not really a girl, it is a guy masquerading as a As a female, do you know which guy it is? Who it is? I have not yet doxed this person, but I do know it is a man. How? Um Women's intuition, I just know.

Oh.

Yeah. Little backwards thing. I d I just I just know. Any comments from you? I have some comments I can read here, and we can chime in and share our thoughts.

It felt weird watching the game. Like, it didn't feel like watching the Packers.

Well, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, it felt like a preseason game with all due respect. A little bit of Kevin Harlan. Was on the broadcast. I don't know why this thumbs up just. What is that?

What is happening? I don't know. One time, fireworks came. Kevin Harlan. Is on the broadcast.

He does our preseason broadcast.

So he's a big time voice. I mean, you hear Kevin Harland, it's Westwood One, it's NBA. I mean, it's a big time voice. But when he's calling a Packer game and he was saying names like Emmanuel Wilson. And uh Isaiah McDuffie, or whoever the fuck.

It's like, oh my God, I feel like I'm watching. A preseason game, and it's the same. like T V they use, so Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I think we should cut Josiah DeWara right now.

Yep, he cost us a touchdown. Yeah, yep. I thought that was just like, all right, enough of this guy. He hasn't done a thing in what, four years? Does he have six catches?

Well, he was part of the broad uh the draft class with love and uh Deguara or uh Dylan. And Kamal Martin, people forget. Yeah. Sean, leave Sean O'Connell. Every loss brings me.

Wanting to closer Matt LaFrade. Wow, you almost read that sentence. Dan says Damian Lillard is a buck. Paul says, Barty, time to admit, love is ass. Take all the time you need.

That ain't going to change at the end of the year. Heathcliff says, Broncos country, let's ride. Ry guy, 10 is not the problem. This is a bad young team. To me, 10 is the bright spot.

Ryan says, Bart, you need to find your April 2020 rage. You hated this move and this guy. I never hated love. I hated the pick. It was still a bad pick.

It was a bad pick. Yep. But now you mean Craig Thompson are left to deal. Craig, what's up, dude? Not much fight.

How are you? How are you? I'm doing all right. Um Mm-hmm. Finish watching that.

You're kind of quiet. Yeah, let's bring up the volume, Craig. Oh, let's see. I'm on my I'm in. Looks like you're in the hospital.

What's going on? Oh, I heard my TV. Can't hear you. Yeah, you made it work. Right.

Yeah, oh, so it's that's the AirPods, Craig. Cheers. Come on, Craig. Craig?

Okay. Get off get off blue. I wanna talk to Craig. I wanna hear him. Daniel, I would call it the serious hour because I don't even know what it's called now.

I just I'm doing the Twitter X thing because I hate Elon so much and I want him to disappear just like Twitter. Hey, can you hear me now? Yes, Greg.

Sorry about that, you sure. I'm really. Trying to uh use my My earbuds to not disturb my partner or my Groom it over here, I'll go to the waiting room. But no, what turn him into a listener? Yeah.

What a horrible, horrible game. What a horrible weekend for football. Has anybody brought up the fact that Iowa got screwed by. Bye then. Fair catch rule thing.

You have a one that's funny? It was not funny at all because I hate Minnesota.

Well, I do too, but it keeps the Badgers alive in the Big Ten West. That's true. But then I sit and then I watch, then I sit and I see this debacle. I don't even know where to begin with the Packers. Like at this point, I hope they just shit the bench so we can maybe get one of the top 10 drop picks.

But then I think to myself, if we get like the number four or five draft pick. What is that? Just another overrated Georgia safety that's not going to pan out? Like, I don't know.

So We're going to Pittsburgh. I got to bring this up. We're going to Pittsburgh for the game. And I just found out one of the guys I'm going with. Was concerned that the game was going to get flexed to Sunday night.

Buddy, if anything, the Sunday night game against the Chiefs we got is getting flexed out. Yeah. We're not. And then I think the week after that, we have a Monday night game against the Giants. We're going to make America watch.

This versus Daniel Jones. If he doesn't even win his job back, they won. Who who played for him? Tyrod Taylor. Ooh, Tyrod, Virginia Tech.

How do you think? Look at you. Your ACC knowledge is limited. Do you do you do you think that if we Like if we were to If say we were to make a trade for say like a veteran receiver, do you think that might help a little bit? I mean, there's a lot of youth on that.

Well, it depends.

Something I don't know like You need a guy, you know what would have is like a Randall Cobb who just is happy to still be playing in the league. and can get you first down. But he had to go run with Rodgers. Like a veteran receiver, could you imagine Devontae in this offense? Guy would be crying even more than he is now.

Great. like not yeah I guess that's the problem but I don't know like Either that or There's a part of me too that thinks that I guess in the back of my mind, I knew it was going to be bad, but I didn't realize it was going to be this bad. After having thirty years of quality play there, You know, like we've It was so long ago that You know, Rogers' first year out was so long ago, and Far's first year, a couple years are so far away that you forget about that. And I know it's struggling, but man. This one just seems like it's struggling more than the other two.

Doesn't it? I don't know if it's the play calling, like I kind of like. I thought that's all expulsion and all these I thought it was supposed to be all these motions and all this, and there's nothing.

Well, yeah, Matt LaFleur sold us a bag of false goods. That's one thing. The second thing is. When Favre took over. I don't know.

When Favre took over, and again, now I'm what am I? I'm not going to, I'm eight when Favre took over, okay?

So when Favre took over, that's not that much younger than you. When Bowman Favre took over.

Okay. It was just like, oh my God, this guy is doing things we've never seen. Yeah. So there was, hey, this is amazing. This is fun.

Oh, we lost all bummers. That was really cool. Jordan Love's not doing that. When Rogers took over. He took over Favre's team.

The only change was. Favre Rogers. Love, this is a completely new team. This is like when the Brewers called up Weeks Fielder, Braun and Hart, and they have young guys and they all have them together and they want to grow together so that when they're all developed, they're all good at the same time. You can do that in baseball.

Where you're not dependent on what the other guy does, like Prince Fielder at the plate. It doesn't matter what Ryan Braun did. I mean, okay, you bat him and whatever, but you know what I'm saying. In football, if the lion is young and needs to. Figure it out, that's going to hurt Jordan Love's development.

If he's thrown to receivers who can't catch shit, that's going to hurt his development. If Love's missing guys, that's going to hurt the receivers' development. You can't do that in football. No, no, bad. Great point, Bart.

I would take that one to the national. That was a good point. Good talk. Thank you. I'll be on the CBS Sports Radio Airwaves Monday night from 6 to 10 Eastern.

That's tonight. Yes. Control five to nine. Five to nine central. Great.

The game wasn't on here, and so I was watching Red Zone, and it didn't really. There wasn't too much going on, and they weren't showing, you know, on the red zone. If there's nothing really going on, they'll show up. a competitive game and that wasn't it, but Well I mean Again, that defense on paper, our defense looks like that should be a top 10 defense. Yes.

And I don't know what's going on. And you mean, like, everybody, you know, is it? But then when they play like It's as much Joe Berry, Joe Berry is a problem. But also, these guys miss tackles. The one touchdown, the touchdown to Sutton.

where we just like ran into each other.

So that's the other thing is like why like Sure. This is the g the game okay, so the game from but They don't, they're not tackling. Like, I don't know.

Like, I really thought that defense is going to be like a Pittsburgh defense or. Or Chris, what was it today that Well, Craig, we just have to admit it to ourselves. We're fucking idiots. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But I'm dumb. I don't know. I hope it turns around, but this is a hard, this is going to be a hard year. This is gonna be a hard year for the money.

This is gonna still be easier than the Hundley year. Thousand hard year. I think, I mean, Brittany's better than Brett Huntley. We could say that. Yes.

Brett Humley was. That was hard. That only was awful. I still feel some hope. Like, I'm definitely not in the Love Stings camp.

There's still hope, it's still a young team. I have to there has to be hope because if love does stink, We have a long road ahead of us. But if he does turn out to be good, then we could be good next year or year after that. But if he's not good, we have five years, maybe? I mean, who knows?

So Matt in the Falls, Craig, I'm adding tack to the mix. Hey, Deck. Jig Isles band said it best, baby. Who Love Stinks?

Okay. He stinks. He's the worst. He's not. I don't know, man.

Now, we should know that Tak did play some junior high quarterback. Yeah, and then what did I do? I uh Change to soccer. Yeah, and the whole town was up in arms. I don't know if I go that far.

Oh, it was a big controversy when you left football to soccer. Yeah, what was the head coach of the football team's name at that time? That was Mike Dressler. It was very upsetting. Yeah, I've been very upset at my dad.

Yeah, oh, yeah, he was probably pissed. Ed Winkler. Stupid Winkler, goddamn Winkler. That's a fun thing to say. If you're of your own Craig, we lost Craig.

I just wanted to play for one of the greatest. high school soccer coaches of Wisconsin's history. That's all.

Well, he's in multiple Hall of Fames. You made the right choice. I understand that. That's part of my decision. How many state championships does he have?

Okay. Okay. No, that's a real question. Do you think I know this? And I'm like, and I'm like.

No, he has zero. I mean, oh, I know he's got zero, but I'm going to tease him and say, How many does he have? I don't have any idea how many state championship parts dad has as a high school soccer coach. Fund du Lac soccer coach. He's nearing his 500th career win.

Oh, that's something. Yeah, Fondala Stockhere wasn't like a perennial powerhouse, you know what I mean? I don't like that they're playing at the high school. I wish they were still playing Central. Oh, I think it's so dope.

I saw some pictures from Fond du Lac Soccer the other day, and I was like, damn, playing at Fruit Field. No, they're not at fruit. They're at the high school. Oh, wait. Really?

Yeah. There's like a field there now Yeah, they made a shit field and they made it nice.

So, all the money they spent on Fruth Field and like they're just a waste of fucking money. Yeah. Well, I don't care. I have no ties to Fond du Lac anymore. Did you buy that Rob Lowe hat as soon as you saw him wear it, or was it later?

It was a little later. Why did you s I'm just a fan of the NFL, man. I am too. I should get that hat. I am a fan.

I'll send you it. DM me your address. You're going to send me your hat? I'll tell you how to find myself. I'll send you a new hat.

Yeah, why don't you just be like, Matt, Matt, this ring light that I'm using, Matt sent me. I never gave my address, he just fucking found it. I mean, I could probably find you. I know the general vicinity in which you live. You don't even need to know that.

Yeah, just leave me alone, everyone. I'll just send it into my DMs tech. I'll just, oh, yeah, nice. All right, we'll do it. I'll just send it to the Red Lion pub.

I don't know if we have DMs on YouTube Premium? Uh I'll find you, Matt, just as I could find Bart. All right.

You think Love sucks? I think Love stinks. He can't. I think part of the problem, or I think the whole problem is like Matt LaFleur can't implement his offense is because. Jordan Love can't make a throw.

He cannot throw on target. He can't. Okay. If you got me drunk enough, I would admit that I'm a little concerned about some of his accuracy. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. I mean, we're tracking to be like a top five. There's nothing that I'm not saying about Jordan Love. No, I mean, I think you're Yeah, you're being... I I He hasn't gotten better.

Nope. I think I think you're accurate in saying There's potential, but like, I don't know, it just isn't coming to fruition. And I think if we six games. I mean, six games against a not so good schedule. We should see more.

We should.

Well, I have a good buddy who told me that he's never seen It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia because he started watching it and it wasn't, it was something was missing. I told him that it gets better. And sometimes with these shows, that's what happens. And if we gave up as a society on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, we would never get 15, 16, 17 great seasons of the show.

So I'm not judging. I am judging. We can criticize and make takes. But I'm not I just to these anyone like If okay, if you say love stinks, if you're saying in six weeks, I think love stinks. Yeah, that's I have no problem with that.

It's people that are making definitive, like, he stinks enough where we're like, any mention of Sean Clifford is. Yeah what are you doing? Oh, yeah. I mean, there's, I mean, there's no, there's no reason we should ever go to Sean Clifford.

However, you should be. I almost wore that hat tonight. Your good, good buddy. Your good, good buddy had. Poor taste in It's Always Sunny because the first season of It's Always Sunny is good.

Yeah, it's different, but it's good. I liked it. I liked it. Yeah, so you're a good, good buddy. who I am familiar with.

He He gave it up too early. I don't think we're giving it up too early. I mean, he. Jordan Love. is inaccurate.

And he was inaccurate in college. Not to say you can't learn accuracy, but he's had years to learn accuracy.

So I'll once again propose what I proposed earlier: that he should play every game after two beers because that's what I'm the best at darts. I mean, we need a little Marshawn Lynch Hennessy action. Yeah, plenty of people in Sports of playing under the substance, an influence of a substance. I used to play under the influence of substances every game in Fond du Lac. And I did okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Ah, yes, we know. We know you did. Who knows?

We all knew. Oh, yeah, whatever. Q, what do you think? I think Yeah. What's this guy's name?

Taft or something? Taft. Close enough. Taft. Tech sounds like a a middle school Health teacher talking about giving it up too early.

Sorry, I'm late. I had to run my love jersey to Goodwill. um get the out of me i'm just i'm just joking i don't blame i don't blame love at all um i think Like We should just tank though. Like, I guess we have the right defensive coordinator for our offense to be like okay or good in the second half of the year, and then we can just give up a thousand points and get like a top ten draft pick. Uh I'm I've just had enough of Matt LaFleur.

Like, if you let the Broncos, this Broncos team, Embarrass you in the first half like that? It's like why does Matt LaFleur not have more of a like he is getting embarrassed by some of the worst teams in the league? And he has two weeks to prepare. Come out like Just come out with some don't come out run, run, pass, run, run, pass. But I mean you say we should even deferred the kick like Take the fucking ball and make a goddamn statement.

You're playing with the Broncos. They suck. You they've been waiting. I'm sorry, deferring is such a bitch move. It's bitch of fucking score.

Two weeks to prepare, you defer. Like he's such a beta.

So he is. Um I it has a beta. Although I've always been an alpha. That's been the that's been the biggest secret of them all. Really?

I've always been an alpha.

Okay. You're like an alpha beta. You're like the king of the betas. Yeah. But like talk about talk about tanking though.

We don't need to tank. We are not good. We are going to lose. You're going to tell this team, hey, play bad on purpose, they'll end up fucking winning seven games. Probably.

Like, maybe we'll do your first one. Maybe we'll fuck that up too and mistakenly win. We can't do anything right. Like I'm okay with the sixth pick and like we can get maybe drake may So I came on. to ask one question.

Is this yes? Voicemails are sponsored by Carl's Place. Carl at vt.com backslash Bart. Is this rock bottom? Bart.

Oh, no, I addressed that earlier. I said rock bottom is when we move on from love and then the next guy's worse. No, that's not rock bottom. I mean, well, that could be rock bottom. I think rock bottom will come later this year when we continue to lose games because we stink.

All right, let's play guess the spread. The spread is out for Vikings at Green Bay. What did Vegas put as the spread? Jefferson's still out, right? Yes.

Well, and the Vikings play on tomorrow night, right? Yep, short week for Minnesota, noon game on Sunday. Don't say Plus Two for the Packers So Vikings a two-point favorite on the road. Yes. Yeah, I like that number.

I think. Damn it, I've been muted. I thought you were just smiling. I was wondering why you weren't talking. There was.

What's the did do the Vikings have one win? Two one win against the Panthers or? Panthers. Didn't they beat the Panthers? Why what?

What is are you okay, Matt? Why is he saying? Why is he asking how many wins the Vikings had against the Panthers?

So, don't the Vikings have one win against the Panthers? They're trying to pick the spread. They beat the Panthers and they beat the Bears.

Okay, they beat the Panthers and beat the Bears. I think. It's a pick'em. Man, do you want to guess this? Spread.

You already said it, it's two or something. No, that was my guess. Oh, and then Bart just repeated it? Yeah. Uh three and a half.

The Packers are a one-point underdog.

So, yeah, Packers plus two eyes one off. Your logic was pretty good there. Good job. I too was one-off. Yeah.

You were, yes, you were. And Trace is right, I would be out, and you would win. I, however, I think we're gonna I do think we will Uh actually no we're gonna lose. We're gonna lose to the Vikings for sure. Yeah.

Yes, what I predicted on Friday was that we would win this game, but it would. It would be in a way that it would feel like a loss, and I had that clip ready to go because it felt like that was happening. And then the Broncos made the kick. I feel like we will. I mean, what what's going to tell you that we're going to win?

Matt LaFleur is going to rally the troops. Matt LaFleur is going to come up with a great game plan.

So, I mean, I think the only game plan that we can implement to win is Aaron Jones. He had, what, eight carries? I think three. Three receptions or three targets. I can't remember what it was tonight.

It's one thing to have an inexperienced team, but you need a better coach. An inexperienced coach can win with an experienced team, and an experienced coach can win. with an inexperienced team. Not both. A shitty coach can win with a good quarterback.

And We are not. We don't meet that criteria. And a good coach can win with a bad quarterback. Correct. How about this?

We are 5-1 with the healthy Rodgers on this team, 4-2 at worst. Oh.

With a healthy Rodgers, with MVP Rodgers. What about? Yeah, we're probably doing all right. Does he have with last year's Rodgers? I don't know.

I mean, with a healthy Rog yeah, with the healthy Rogers, we have... With one of the greatest quarterly packs of all time at his peak health. Yes. With the 38-year-old that's Cucking our franchise last year with a thumb injury? No.

Yeah, I I agree with that. I think with a healthy with a healthy Rodgers, though. I think we are at least 500. Maybe, maybe a game. Sam says, never been more out on a coach than I am on LaFleur.

Give me Harbaugh. That's a thing. That could be a thing. He could, if, if they win the national title this year, I think he might go NFL. Oh, I think he's just waiting for a call.

He wants out of there. I think we would need a good O C still though. For sure. But but I would kind of like a defensive-minded head coach for a change. We haven't had one for a long fucking time.

I just want a coach that wears khakis again. That's what I'm saying. He rose. I just want some pleats on the sideline. Yeah, me too.

I think they should have to wear a uniform like in baseball. I think it's hilarious that Patriots fans were calling for Bill Belichick's head, and then he just didn't just get extended? Yeah. Yeah, they signed him to a multi-year deal and they didn't tell anyone.

Well, uh and as they should, like what? If if Bill Belichick got fired, there would be 31 teams. ready to fire their coach. Or maybe not. Maybe like twenty seven teams.

If Matt LaFleur got fired. How many teams would line up to hire him? As what?

Okay. A mascot. Yeah, seriously. He can go play Joe Magic Kingdom. Oh, speaking of Magic Kingdom, I was just there last week, baby.

How was it? It was fucking great. I'm not like a Disney shill, but we did Disney really well.

So it was good. How old are your kids? Five and Turning four in December, so three. Yeah. I don't know.

I don't. I know. It's too early. Like, that they're not. I mean, my five-year-old will remember, but, like, It's not about I don't care if they fucking remember.

Everyone's like, I want them to remember it. Like, why? Like, we had fun in the moment, and that's all that mattered. But it costs a goddamn fortune. Yeah, it's very.

See, that's why people want to remember. Yeah, but we we didn't stay on premise, so. Because that's that's what's really expensive. Like, yeah, tickets at the park are 150 bucks, but like. The Disney resort, like staying in a room that's like comfortable for four people is like $1,000 a night.

You know what I'm looking forward to when your kids going from third grade to fourth grade. In that summer, you get free admission to every national park. Mm.

So look that up. That's what we're going to do. What are you are you gonna like rent an R V and just like go across the country or what? I'm thinking about just selling the house and renting an RV anyway and see this beautiful country. I can do this fucking show from anywhere.

You know what your firearm needs are when you do that. When did you buy your house in Sherwood? Serious. Oh, okay, so you would make just absolute mad cash on it. A national parks pass is eighty dollars.

Yeah, well, it's free when you have a fourth grader, which is $89 a year. And I was just looking it up.

So After Rogers' first year as a starter, We drafted B. J. Raji with the ninth overall pick.

So we drafted nine places. It's not a question. I was just wondering like Yeah. Like, if we got the ninth pick, how would that set us up? I thought you were gonna go transition to him uh picking off Cutler in the Bears game, right?

It wasn't Cutler, was it? It was uh, what's his face? Caleb Haney. Yeah, Haney, picking off Haley. I was like, if we didn't suck with Rogers, then we would never have drafted BJ Roger at ninth, and then he never would have picked off the pass, and then we never would have won the suit.

I thought you were going there.

So Who's better, Jordan Love or the Bears quarterback from the Colorado School of Mines? Oh, Tyson Regent. I don't know his name. Tyson Bagent.

Well, Bears fans are taking victory laps that he's better than our guys.

So that's where we're at today. He threw a touchdown, I guess. I guess Jordan Love threw two touchdowns today, both of which should have been interceptions. Yeah. They were both so bad.

That first touchdown pass was so bad. Bad. And I think with that positive note, I'm going to wrap this up because I want to watch the Eagles. They are my survivor pick. Yeah, and what do you think about the Eagles?

They're going to run, they're going to hold the ball for so long, they're going to run all over the Dolphins, right? I'm not buying picked them. Two tush pushes tonight. I should have took Seattle. They won, but.

That was kind of a close game. Oh, yeah, Bart, you were talking about that.

So I haven't listened. I usually listen every day, but I was, you know, fucking the Florida thing.

So I didn't listen for the last week, but I do recall you saying that Everyone is going to pick Seattle and Arizona's going to win.

Well, I was wrong about the second part. I was right about the first part. Oh, did everyone take Seattle?

So the survivor pool, I'm in again 2,000 people, $50 entry. Wow. Yeah, it's big money. There's 323 left. Me and one other idiot have the Eagles.

Oh, nice. I like that actually.

Well, 272 people took the Seahawks. Did anyone take the dolphins? Did anyone take the dolphins? No. Yeah, I don't think so.

So hopefully the dolphins don't make me cry. Yeah. Lace is out. Oh.

Love it. Bucks minus five and a half on Thursday. Against it, double that and give it to me. Yeah. Six is a dick.

Yeah. Going on more fantasy news. I did a DraftKings best ball where my whole team is. Box or former box. Did you get Drew?

It's Zaney. I got everyone but Yannis, yeah. The one good guy. For your sake, go Eagles. Um Go hootie.

Buff hoodie. Love you, Bart. Tech, Q, Matt. Yeah. Any parting words?

Any parting words? Any parting words? Bucks and six. Fuck Matt LaFleur. Wow, that's good.

I say we can give Matt LaFleur another chance, but Jordan Love is dead to me. Um Ah, complete opposite on that. Yeah. I guess we got to see who we draft next year. Because what we locked up Jordan Love for one more year, right?

Yes, actually, yeah. Yeah. Um Yes, we have one more year of sucking ass. And then we'll start a quarterback that we draft this next year.

Okay. All right, gentlemen. That is the show. Bye, guys. No bucks.

This is the end of the show.

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