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Good morning, everybody. My name is Bart Winkler. It's the Bart Winkler Show. I do it sometimes off air. I don't do it enough.
On air, but I'll do it now. Also, it makes me look better when I do it. On air. Big thanks to Grant Bills and Paul Emmig for their time to do this. Happy to do it.
They drilled me up. Each and every week. We may, if we come up with... If I ever get my merch off the ground, you may get some nice Christmas presents with my name on it.
So that'll be your payment. Hey, thanks for doing this. Here's a Bart Winkler fucking mug. Yeah. I'll put that right next to all the Kids like cups, and they're the big.
What's that one? That's mine. It says Bart Winkler on it.
So we are recording on Tuesday morning. Happy Halloween, by the way, gentlemen. Happy Halloween. And it's NFL trade deadline day.
So if the Packers. Make a trade of any kind. I am going to insert that. Right here. The Green Bay Packers do make a trade, and Rasul Douglas.
Nice to see you. They picked him up off the practice squad. Not too long ago from Arizona, had a big impact and then re-signed a deal with Green Bay. The cornerback is now a Buffalo Bill, having been traded. for a third round pick.
A fifth round pick goes to Buffalo, also in the deal. But this means that the Packers no longer have Rasul Douglas. They free up a bit of cap room in 2021. Four. about six point five million dollars worth And they add a third rounder again, losing a fifth rounder, but adding A third.
If you do the math, the Packers' fifth rounder will probably be early. The Bills' third rounder will probably be late.
So you're maybe moving up around and a half, maybe. 45, 50 spots, but you are clearing up some cap room. Uh Rasul Douglas nearing 30. You know, what kind of Place is he going to be in when the Packers are competitive. Again, it is a terrible situation.
That the Packers have found themselves in, where they are sellers. Add the deadline. I don't know if that's ever been the case, ever. Has there ever been a deadline? where the Packers have been sellers.
There's been trades in the NFL, but I don't know that we've really, at least those of us of a certain age, I mean, I We sold at the deadline. One guy. But we sold.
Now, if this guy got dealt, Rasul Douglas. Maybe should more guys have gotten dealt? I thought for sure then we'd see a Preston Smith. Or, you know, who else? I just thought if you're gonna deal one.
Maybe deal a couple. But it looks like the trade they were able to get through was for Rasul Douglas, and he is now a Buffalo Bill. A lot of instant reaction to the trade as in what? No. OMG.
And I get, we liked Rasul, and he was a leader, and one of the few guys on defense that we actually. were satisfied with But this is where the Packers are. and they made a trade and life is going to move on. Guys that are young are going to have to step up. Like Valentine.
I know Stokes is heard and Jair's stinky, but this the Packers are sellers at the deadline. Because They stink. They are bad. And this was a reaffirmation of that.
So third-round pick, and I know everybody hates third-round picks because Goody sucks at them. But this is the trade: Rasul Douglas. And a fifth rounder to Buffalo. A third rounder comes back. To Green Bay.
Go Pacto. And If for some reason The bucks get looped in. to a James Hardin deal. As a third team or Pick up one of these dudes. If they don't If they get cut.
Then I'll put it in right here. And most likely, we're 90 seconds into the podcast. And nothing has happened. And if Craig Council has signed with the Guardians or the Mets, you will insert that. Right here.
What else could happen t today before I think that's a pretty good list. Matt LaFleur gets fired. We will insert that.
So, what's normally happened is we record these on Tuesday morning when we're all available. And then I'm able to post it. I just post it like we do with a puzzle. I said it and forget it. That's what we tell our kid.
You said it and forget it. And then the last couple of Tuesdays, there's been like, Shit, that's happened where I've like, ah, fuck, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta mention it on the whole point of my podcast is you can listen to it the morning that it's put out. And it's, it's like, it's, it's happened. That's why I like to do Bucks post-game shows. I like to do post-games on big brewer games and Packers.
So it's not like, hey, everybody, it's Bart Winkler's show. Bucks played last night. We'll get to it four fucking days from now. I like to comment on that, but we'll see now that I've done the disclaimer. I'm sure nothing will happen.
Any thoughts on the James Harden trade? I'm. I'm surprised it happened. Kind of The alternative is that the Sixers were not going to let him play. They weren't gonna let that He wasn't going to play for them.
And so then. The NBA has new rules about Former all NBA players not participating in games, and then there's fines for that.
So that's one aspect of it for Philly. Of course, you're paying. That rule kind of pushed the Hardin trade. It might have. I mean, if they didn't want to incur the penalties.
Because yeah, every game that Harden would sit out. He would qualify as being one of those players that, if healthy, has to be allowed to play. That could have been a part of it. The thing that's important for Philly. They're going to have $60 million in cap space.
This offseason at the end of this year. Six 60, 6-0. All the players so Harden was expiring. But so too are all the guys they got back for Hardin. Maxi, his rookie deal will expire, so he'll have like a small cap hold because he was like the 22nd pick or something.
They did wave Danny Green, by the way, so if you just insert a little thing into the... previous segment. It could be that Free agent Danny Green is I doubt it. NBA champion Danny Green. Multiple champion Danny Green.
I mean, that's at least within the realm of possibility. He is in the potential future Bucks rankings, I'd say. He's in a top 10. I still put Kelly Oubre Jr. as number one.
Mm. This future buck.
Well, that would have been great. I mean, he's playing for the minimum, and he looks outstanding. Yeah, so I guess unlike Damian Lillard, where it's like the Bucs could come in. And know that Damian Lillard, who loves basketball and will give you 100% effort. Even though you're not Miami.
If you're hardened. No one except the Clippers would trade for him because he didn't want to play for anyone else but the Clippers, and he would never. Try like this is what he does, right? Like, if he's not happy, he's not going to try. And so, it was a one-team negotiation, which Lillard, you know, initially was supposed to be a one-team negotiation, but Lillard is a hooper and Harden is a head case.
The hooper in the head case. It's a new choice.
So, Marcus Morris, Nick Batum, Robert Covington. Uh, KJ Martin and multiple draft picks, including a 20-28 unprotected first. And they got the OKC 2026 first I saw.
Okay. But I just Yeah. I don't like that it's like Hardin can just keep doing this.
Well, he can't. Yeah. Every time he's been mildly unhappy. He's been able to Move. Not that he had a tremendous legacy.
Because he was always like the playoff choker with Houston and like he didn't Yeah. The guy who said that Giannis didn't have a bag, right? Like, there's a questionable legacy even until this recently, but he's destroyed his legacy and he's destroyed his earning potential because he's gonna get the Russell Westbrook veterans minimum this offseason. No one's gonna pay him. More than a one-year contract when he's a free agent this offseason.
No, like, why? How could you possibly? No, you know, you know, who destroyed his legacy. Who was the GM of the Thunder at the time? When they traded him to the Rockets, was it still Presti 10 years ago?
Oh, oh, 10 years ago. Because they made that trade because they didn't want to pay everybody, and then they tried to. They tried to say like, no, no, no, we really like Kevin Martin. No no, they r well, yes, but they also they would only pay like Serge of Baca Or Uh James Harden. And um yeah.
The cap was what kind of discussion will this get in the NBA lounge on Thursday? I, Bart, I was thinking along the same lines as you. Like, Paul, this is why we're a great trio. Paul came at it from the X's and O's and the cap holds and the picks and the contracts. And I'm just like, I think it sucks that he can keep doing this.
Like, I keep getting away with this. I do not wish him well in Los Angeles. I hope it goes poorly for him. I hope he gets there and he's like, wow, this is a great fit. I don't want to wish injury, but I just, I hope something goes wrong.
Like I know, I there, I said it. I hope he's dealing with a sprained ankle all season. It just never. I don't like seeing stars. Like a mild injury, like plantar fasciitis.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, or gout. I. I don't like seeing James Harden get rewarded for bad behavior. And this is like third time that it's happening now. And that's just getting rewarded for bad behavior.
He does. He's getting rewarded by getting to play for who he wants. Is Definitely not being rewarded financially because he has cost himself a hundred million dollars in this process. But he picked up his option. What is he making this year?
Close to 30 million on his and that's and that's you know, yes, but He could have had a Mega extension a year ago if he had just played nice in the sandbox. And he couldn't. And now, no, I mean, he'll get again, like, like Russell Westbrook, who, by the way, is also a hooper. Like, Westbrook has his own things because on the court, he's such a. unique fit maybe is a nice way to say a unique fit.
But he then he got the veterans minimum from the Clippers. Right.
So that's what Hardin will get. He'll get the veterans' minimum a year from now.
So he gets rewarded for the bad behavior by going to his favorite team, but he's not going to get paid. Why will those three guys keep reuniting? Yeah. Like Hardin was reunited with KD and Westbrook and Hardin again. And someday we need to harden KD you're bound to cross paths with people when you change teams every other year.
That's true. By the way, Presty has been the GM since they were the Sonics in 2007. Oh, he did trade them. He did. But that was part of that too, like, was man, like, ownership.
Like, hey, we can only afford. We can't afford all these guys.
Well, and like On the Bill Simmons podcast, for example, which I know you're a listener, Paul, like they keep talking about, well, the Clippers need to do something like this. They're going into a new arena next year, and Paul George and Kwai Leonard aren't under contract. What?
So the answer is James Arden? But it but it is better. Than having Nick Batum and Robert Covington. How many times now has Daryl Maury acquired or dealt Robert Covington? It's at least twice, and I'm pretty sure it's more than twice.
like i'm gonna look that up today that is that i'll let you take that project on That's my, yeah. I'm going to look. Maybe a Robert Covington trade. A trade tree. Maybe I'll put it in the back.
Let's put this from the Bucs perspective. Like, Philly was never a top three East contender with or without Hardin. They're worse. Like But tomb is old and fine and Covington is fine and like Uh yeah. A contender in the East.
In the 2023-24 season is worse for this, having not been able to do a better job of getting it. better assets for Harden. But again.
Next offseason I know there's really not like free agency in the NBA anymore. Maybe there's a lot of people. Plus, people like James Harden, by the way. Yeah, well, and to be fair, Ann Lillard, who signs a mega extension and then asks to be traded rather than just entering free agency. But the sixers a year from now could look.
Ridiculous if M Beat is willing to wait it out. Which the Knicks are hoping he won't. I think we're off to a nice start. I'm trying to stay awake and chipper. I did not get a lot of sleep.
Prior to recording this, uh And sometimes, you know what I talk about? I talk about Happy Place Hemp, and I talk about the things that it does do. And what happens when I do take some of the gummies? I should talk about what happens when I don't. Take some of the gummies because I came home after a Monday night show and was thinking I was pretty tired.
I went straight to bed. I did my Monday CBS and then a post-game show. And I thought, you know, I didn't even sit downstairs and watch Monday Night Raw. I thought I was so tired. And that is going to be a Tuesday morning viewing.
So I was like, all right, I'll go to bed. And then I had a miserable time, and I couldn't fall asleep. And just when I started to fall asleep, I had weird dreams that. My kids' toys were like coming to life. But nobody else could see it except for me.
And then he's in a stage right now where he's sleeping with us during the evening, which it's like, ah, but that's also like, oh, and you don't want those, you know, you gotta, it's tough. But he kicks the shit out of me all night. In much, much, much pain. And I can sleep through that when I take the CBD, CBNs. And I didn't on Monday night.
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As Hot Take Jake will know, because I know he attended when we were young, Thrice is a band. That's how I know thrice. Wow. Of the pop-punk emo. I guess.
Grant, do the youths, do the youths like the word thrice? Youth. I don't know that it comes up a lot. Yeah. I don't.
I don't know if we have many opportunities to throw that one in there. Do you have like a youth? Do you have a youth? You have an NBA lounge chat. Do you have a youth lounge chat where you discuss a youth lounge?
No. Like where you say printer? And what is it? Advertisement. I do like, I don't know.
I just, one of my favorite types of humor is pronouncing words ridiculous ways. Like, I'm really into the show, what we do in the shadows right now. And that's like all they do in that show is just pronounce. That is true. The YouTube chat on Monday was all over me how I say, I say experiment.
Dude, I was going to this is on my list. How do you say I instead of experiment, I say experiment. No, instead of experiment. You say experiment. I, isn't it?
Experiment. No, Matt, Matt says I say experiment. Stocks so up on Average.
Now, by the way, regardless, you also maybe have two strange ways within that word because it's expare. Amend.
Well, either way, I want to switch gears real quick and say that I was very happy with my latest Marvel. Reference the other day on the radio. I compared Joe Burrow to Deadpool. Where when Joe Burrow was hurt. It was like when Deadpool Dies and it takes him a while for his arms or legs to grow back.
I felt like. I felt like Joe Burrow was if it took him a while for his full, healthy body to grow back, and now he's elite again. I was very excited about it. When he dies at the end of X-Men Wolverine in that pit? Or when he dies.
No, no, when he dies, uh when he shows his dick. Before they re-wait, what? Ryan Reynolds, who hangs hog in Deadpool. It's a quick little shot of his. Twig and berries bungled up.
But do you see shaft? It's real you have to like pause it if you want to see it. And and You have paused it. Oh, I've paused that movie. Yeah.
Hmm. Though his wife. The Deadpool 1 or 2. Blake Lagley's in Deadpool? No, the wife in Deadpool.
The woman from V and Homeland. Yes. Of course, yes. Did you watch V or Homeland? I loved V.
I mean, yes, yes. the girl, the woman who you're referring to, her son in that show. Do you remember him? M V? Yeah, what are you?
The worst actor I've seen in my life. Yeah, but the blondie that he was in love with, she was hot too. I don't remember that. I just remember seeing the worst actor I've ever seen in my life. Which was her son in that show.
And they killed him off because I think they realized, like, This is not gonna work.
So then they're like, okay, let's find a way to get rid of this guy. Um Grant, by the way, did you give up on prison break after season one or did you keep going? No, because the girlfriend wanted to keep going.
So I guess we're watching season two, which is fine. Season two seems reasonable. I like it so far. Yeah. If you watch two.
You might as well watch three. But then quit.
Okay. Well because it's uh Grab earmuffs real quick. We can spoil prison break for him.
Well, I don't want to spoil it. It's for when they go to like that other jail. No, they go back to prison in three. When do they go to that with that alternative? I don't know.
Whatever. All right, Grant. Spoilers. All right, you're good.
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All right, put this up as a poll. Um I got Like, there's only 600 votes. Grant, you say you always take the polls, so maybe you took this one. Last time I said, I don't know if you took the poll, and you said, Don't insult me and say I might not take your poll. I always take polls, Paul.
The way I phrased it like was um Now with a two and five record, would you rather the Packers lose as many games as possible and have a top five pick, or go five and five the rest of the way to finish seven and ten, but still miss the playoffs and probably have the eleventh pick? Seventy two percent said lose lots. Get a top five pick. Would you be you would be fine with the Packers And by the way, like losing every game, they might do anyway, right? And I I think at this point the playoffs are unlikely and even I would argue Maybe not even the ideal outcome.
This team needs an influx of new young talents.
So I have two questions related to this, but the first one is. As a Packers fan, who's going to sit there and watch these next 10 games regardless. You'd be good with the outcome of the Packers. Losing a bunch of games. And Getting one of those top three, top five picks, that would be the better outcome for you.
Than missing the playoffs anyway, but maybe like going 500 the rest of the way.
So. Losing any game is possible. Get a top pick is the best outcome from here on out. Or Bart.
Well, mm-mm. I don't want to lose. Because if we lose. Then then So This is a casual take. No, it's the same thing with the Bears.
The Bears. Should not Like they, they, they're, they're done with fields. They're not playing them this week.
Okay. They should uh Like They're going to have two very high picks. You should know that your quarterback's set.
So you can draft other dudes. If we draft super high, that means Love's ass and we're taking a quarterback again. Oh.
Well but Love hasn't been asked, and they still Have underlined for a top five pick. But even if we. If we hear top three, we're taking a quarterback. Correct. I mean, I know there's gonna be people listening to say, No, Marvin Harrison Jr.
like and that Yes. But This is one of those drafts with a couple of quarterbacks at the top, and I'm not a college football guy. But having read the scouting stuff, it's like you would have to. And you wouldn't, and by the way, you wouldn't be like, dumping on love. For drafting May or Williams.
You would just be a well I mean, it wouldn't. But then we're bringing another young quarterback in here with another shit team. It's not like the team's going to be, they're going to be even younger because they're going to be more draft picks. This is year one of not a one-year rebuild. This is year one of a Three five to eight years, as Joe would say.
I was going to say, someone shout out Radio Joe. No, but it probably. This is probably year one of three. If they do it right, if they do a good job, this is year one of three. If they do a bad job, the Packers will contend for a Super Bowl is probably 2025.
If things go perfectly. Yeah. Now, here's something that I enjoy saying on the radio. Is that I like to look at the NFC. And I include the NFC South as a whole in here, but I say I say, listen to these teams, ready?
Commanders, Giants. Rams. Packers, Bears. Falcons, Saints, Buccaneers, Vikings.
Somebody's making the poll. Two of those teams. are making the playoffs. Two of them. And one of them's going to host the game.
From the NFC South. Bring me some shit teams. In this NFC. And it is still. Oh, my other fun fact is everyone in the AFC has at least three wins.
Except for New England. Mm-hmm. I was all about those two. Like when the Broncos beat the Chiefs, I was all about that. Like, get these two win teams, more wins, so the Packers' two wins can look better.
This is where maybe this is just a fundamental difference. And I think a lot of it is me. Realizing that, yes, we have. I mean, the playoff losses have been bad, and I agree. People that haven't We don't like they, that's a level of hell that we know that a lot of teams don't.
True, and don't lose that take, do never back off of that.
Well, never, but good. But we have been spoiled. We're like. We like regular season games have been boring because we know we're going to win. We've been spoiled where now we have a bad month and we want everyone fired because there needs to be accountability.
It's like, Jesus. I don't think there needs to be accountability. I've never been that guy. I'll tell you. No, I know, I know, I know.
Like accountability, like, okay. No, you fire him because he sucks. Yeah. But I just can't. It's I can't be watching this team.
Mm-hmm. In October. November early. Like I'm going to a game in two weeks. I'm going to spend all this money and root for them to lose.
I think there's a difference though between rooting for them to lose and win. When I watch them and root for them to win, and then when they lose, I'm like. I'm happy at either outcome. I can't believe that. I would watch it as, like, all right, good play by Jordan Love, good progress by Dantavian Wicks.
All right, Lucas Van Ness is getting more snaps and he's being more productive with those snaps. I'm going to look at it as individual pieces that I want to play well and to see improvements from. While realizing that the best outcome for this franchise, if you want 2025 to be a competing for the Super Bowl realistic contender year, they need to suck. No, they need to if you want that If you want Packer Nation, 72% of the poll of 600 people agree with me, by the way, that lose as many games as possible.
So continue. You're going to, you're, so what your scenario is, is that Jordan Love shows progress and is good, and they also get a high pick? Yeah. Open the door. Yes.
Where to open this door, where it's a top three pick next year. Because the Packers suck so much ass. And then they don't take a quarterback. Open that existence. If the answer to that is that they take Marvin Harrison Jr., you will have.
Plenty of ecstatic packages. Oh, no.
So now we're opening another door. We opened the first door into your world, and now there's a second door where Brian Gudekins of the Green Bay Packers is drafting a wide receiver top five. I'll tell you, that door doesn't exist anymore. If they, if, if in this door, Brian Gudekinst is A making the pick at all. and B takes an offensive lineman.
Now there will be hell to be, but if they take Marvin Harrison Jr., I disagree. People would be excited for that.
Well, of course, yeah. He would not be like, whoa, what are you doing? No, like Marvin Harrison Jr. is potentially generating. Nobody is going to.
If the Packers are bad enough. Where they get a top three pick, no one's going to be able to rationally say, like, well, they lost a lot of games, but Jordan Love is our future. No one will. I don't think it works that way. The Bears tried to do that with Fields last year.
If you are selecting in the top three, I don't. I think it's impossible for you to say unless your quarterback got hurt. We're good. If you're good, you wouldn't be picking in the top three. Like, that's just kind of if the Packers are in a position to take one of those quarterbacks, I think they have to.
I think that's how this is going to work. I think it's a good idea. I agree. If you're, let's say, you are the third pick and it was Caleb Williams and then Marvin Harrison Jr., like you run the card in for Drake May. And I would argue, and I will argue it in April when, if this happens, I hope it does happen, kind of, that that's not an indictment on Jordan Love.
I still think they would get trade value. For Jordan Love, like I'm talking like a fourth, you know, in this scenario. No, like he can have a perfectly fine. Season and they can still suck. That's what's happening now.
Jordan Love is having a perfectly fine, average season. and they suck they're that's if if the next ten are like the first seven That's what we're talking about. Right? Like, what part of what I just said is incorrect? He's playing fine.
They're playing terrible and losing. But the way that love is. Like the results of love are It's still so inconclusive because of how shitty the team is. Right.
And if this, like, if this was, if this is Jordan Love. Then I can't definitively answer if he's good or not because I still haven't like. He hasn't had the opportunity.
So then. Then you do take a quarterback. Yes. I would be fine with as a guy who thinks that the there's no way that Jordan Love. You're trying to thread a needle here.
There's no way that. You know Jordan Love is the guy. And you get a top three pick. It is not going to happen.
Well, the guy, as in a top 10 quarterback, the guy, going back to the Ryan Wood, the guy? Or do you just mean like serviceable enough that if the rest of your team is good, you can be the 49ers? Yeah, but if you have an opportunity to take a really, really great quarterback and reset that rookie contract, you should. That's yes. I'm saying, but I'm saying I would A, I would do that, and B, I would not call that an indictment on love.
Sure. But the only way you get there is if love sucks. He doesn't though. And that's not going to change. We don't know that.
I don't think he does. But we don't know that. But he hasn't so.
So you're saying he would have to regress. I think he is regressing this year. He's not terrible. But he's not awesome. He's fine.
And I'm not passing up a great quarterback prospect and a reset of the rookie scale for fine, especially if we agree on this. I feel like I'm being like, and by knowing, I know I'm in a group here that's not anti-Jordan Love. And it sounds like among the three of us who are not anti-Jordan love, that I'm almost saying, like, no, he's great. Like, no, I'm not. I would also take the quarterback.
So rather than talk in further circles. We agree on that part. You would take, if you had Mayer Williams on the board and Marvin Harrison Jr. on the board, you take the quarterback. I would like to if any of the reasons you still Final takes on this topic?
I would like to bring something up. Yes. Any final takes on this topic?
Well, this is what I told the caller yesterday: just Packers fans, kick back, relax, sit back and watch. And this season is going to tell us how to proceed, I think. Like, if we end up in the top three in the draft, that means we should take a quarterback. And if not, that means that Jordan Love and these young wide receivers probably put some things together and won some games. Like, this season is going to tell us what the future looks like, I think.
So just kick back and chill because we don't, like, we can just wait. I think all will be revealed in time. My parting comment is. Bart Our my buddy who runs our Dynasty League, I was messaging with him and some other guys about this. And he had said something, he said in a text: people who don't realize the value of top picks are insane.
The way you frame that question, for anyone to choose seven and 10 and miss the playoffs, is a lunatic. That's how I feel about it. But yet, 28% would say, and here's what I retorted to that. People will say something to the effect of, well, momentum to end the season. And then I also said, Barton, I think this one speaks to you.
I said, I think it speaks to people who live in the moment and just want to watch a Packers win on a Sunday afternoon without worrying about the bigger picture implications. You don't want to invest three hours and be like, oh, this is, you know, like, that's. That's the wrong way to do it because, again, if you want them to be competing for a Super Bowl sooner than later. You should want a top three pick, a top five pick. All I care about is figuring out if Jordan Love is good or not.
I don't care about anything else. The best route to Super Bowl contendership. is to lose badly this season. Ugh. Jesus.
I'm not a cheer against my own team guy. Don't cheer against them. There's a difference there. I don't think there is. The best.
I think you're labeling this to make yourself. Paul wants to have this little Packer pennants and watch the game and be all happy. And then when they lose, it. You can't no hold on no, hold on no that When we were texting, very, I was of course on DVR on the game on Sunday. Um And I listed to you guys all of the first quarter ineptitudes and mistakes and everything.
And Bart, you texted back, it gets better. You then later responded, JK, it doesn't. But when I read. It gets better. I took that as it's gonna become a further shit show.
Like it gets better. Like it gets more comedic. You're demented. You're demented. I'm just telling you what I thought you meant was like, we need to see better.
Just you wait to see what ridiculous, horrible, terrible places. Look, I can't. You gotta, you gotta. You gotta adjust your your like your entire Outlook on life needs to change. Because you keep waiting for...
You gotta live for the now, Paul. No, you don't. You don't. Tomorrow is not guaranteed. I agree with that.
Tonight's not guaranteed. But you should be planning for. Your future health when you're 65. Finances when you're 65. You have to have one foot in now, and you have to have one foot in the future.
I'm not telling you how to fan. I would never, but also. Come on. A little bit. That m well, how am I the outlier here?
How do you watch a team in 2023 and care more about 2026? I spent my whole life watching the Bucs, loving the Bucs. Hoping against hope that they would just pick a fucking direction and either like and stop doing the herb coal eighth seed stuff, and they wouldn't and couldn't until they got the luckiest pick in the history of the NBA. And that's probably a literal fact. Maybe Jokic is the other alternative to that as the 46th pick, but like.
They were always picking in the teens, and you can never do that. Like, so I prefer the 15th pick. There's talent everywhere, Paul. That's what I'm saying everywhere. Like, you can get extremely, extremely lucky by getting a pick in the teens that becomes one of the best players ever.
And you can do that in any sport. My point is, it's unlikely.
So I can sit there and I can watch and I can say, oh, I really like this TJ Ford for Charlie Villanawayba trade. In the grand scheme of things, does it like change their path? No, but I can root for like the. Moves on the periphery until the time comes that there's a championship team.
So I can sit I can root for the young players to get better and when they lose say I'm really pleased by the progress of Lucas Van Nest. I rooted for that Bucs team to be so bad so they could get a top three pick. They got Jabari Parker. That didn't work out. I don't think anybody could be, but I will never root.
For draft position again, it's just not. It's not, I don't have the makeup to do it. Fair enough. I cannot I cannot do it, which is why you see in these fantasy leagues I'm in. Yep, you're always in.
I'm in. I'm not fucking trading for 2026 first round picks.
Well, for example, I'm in an NBA Dynasty league. I have LaMelo Ball, Cade Cunningham, and Tyrese Halbert. And I'm fucking awful. And I'm going to continue to be awful until I trade all of them for actual good players. I've been in this league for four years.
I started out with the number one pick when I bought in, and I've been just as bad every year. Yeah, because you're like thinking they're going to improve, but then the league's also still going to have. Kevin Durant and Giannis. It's like these guys are going to get better, but the best players in the world are still going to be the best players in the world. That's such an.
That's so incorrect. Kevin Durant's will. Bart, for example. Made a great trade last year in Dynasty, just to continue the example of a first-round pick for Travis Kelsey, which I thought he overpaid. I was wrong.
It was a terrific, like, First round pick, so what? I can take fucking. Scott Moore. Yeah, Tajay Spears. Ooh, love that.
He's my guy. Would you ever have Tajay Spears over Travis Kelsey? Spears was a third-round pick.
Okay, not a Jameer Gibbs over Kelsey. Fuck yes. No. Yes, well it depends where your team is at. Wh where your team is at, no, you wouldn't, 'cause you're competing.
Although Taylor needs to start going back to those games if I'm going to win a fucking championship. Yeah, because you have Mahomes. I'd like to go complete opposite direction with Taylor Swift, who I am not really that big of a fan of. I hope she comes to Lambo. That would be very cool.
I'm hoping for that to happen when they play the Chiefs, by the way. Everyone's so bad. Oh, you're so sick of seeing her.
So am I, but like. Not because she's at NFL games. I hope she comes to Lamebo. That'd be sick. Yeah, I agree.
Anyways, it's it's like it's it's an NFL destination. How would she not? It's a cathedral of football. Yeah, you can't be a football fan and not go to Lambeau. Yeah, someone tell her.
Did you see she's a billionaire now? Yeah, all right. I uh have to shit on a X Packer. Which I will do in a minute. I also want to give a...
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Or a Sunday morning hurry-up? I learned something about Rami this week. um through his stand-up comedy. I'm fucking excited for these grits. He's dating a 28-year-old.
He loves that Aive Tag. Yeah, that clip was on Facebook. Is he paying Facebook? How do we all see that clip? I saw it on Okay.
Insta. Oh, we all saw it on different platforms. Wow, look at that. Ronnie with the takeover. It was funny.
It was a good setup. Yeah. I was mostly indifferent on it until he landed the plane. That's why he likes David. I sat here.
I said, you son of a bitch, Rami guy. They started to laugh at this. Yeah, it was a. You had to wait it out. At first, I was like, okay, yep, yep, love is love.
It is, it is. It is weird though. Yeah. He's 43, she's 28. How long has that relationship been going?
She was out in California with that.
So it is the same one then.
Okay. That's what I thought.
Okay. It's because I always think of it as Like Like my was. Years older than me. Four years older than me? And that's even weird.
Like when she graduated college, I graduated high school. But there's you know But When he was 18, she was three.
Okay. Yeah, but he's not 18 anymore. That's not, I think that's unfair framing anytime we do this. That would be true if he was 18, but he's not.
So I'll I'll You know. But I get what you're saying. Yeah. I have no. And also, Rami is at best like 28 in spirit.
Oh yeah, Rami's not right in the best. Which is not an insult. Like that's yeah, he's just yeah, free. I audibly gleed with joy. When I saw Devontae Adams throw his helmet into the turf.
What?
A fucking Poser. D Va. This is an act. Everything he's saying is an act. Um Devontae Adams, who If traded yesterday.
No, they can't afford to do it. No, you're right. Thank you. Devontae Adams, this is what and what's the like. I saw Rich Eisen.
I saw RG3. I saw Albert Breer. I saw all these guys say, oh man, what a bummer for Devontae. I don't blame him for being frustrated. He wanted this.
He went to an organization. That is unstable as it is with Derek Carr, who he had to know was not going to be the Raiders' quarterback forever. This is what he wanted close to home. If you want to go close to home, you go home. You don't go to Vegas.
If you want to go to California, there's five teams in California. Find a way to go to one of them. Football season's 18 weeks. You get the rest of the year to go home. It's not like Major League Baseball where you have to live in Milwaukee for six months of the summer.
Yeah. Football season's so short.
So I'm with you. And what a waste, and what what an absolute waste of his talent. What a waste of what could have been in Green Bay with the next generation. He wanted this, and I still honestly. And the nuance doesn't come through, like it never does.
I know it, but I honestly blame Aaron Rodgers. And really I blame the last dance.
So really I blame COVID. And really, I blame Michael Jordan. Because what Aaron Rodgers did was romanticize the idea of asking for a trade. They put the last dance together. Rogers is like, hey, I'm out of here.
And Devontae's like, fuck yeah, I'm out of here too. And this is like their last year together. It's senior year. And then Devontae leaves, and then Rogers fucking comes back for school another year. Mm-hmm.
He He likes Rogers fucked this up. This is a real take. I can't tweet about it because. I'm s I'm just I'm fucking I don't know what's going on, but ever since I decided. Not to buy a blue check mark.
All my tweets are bangers. Every one of my tweets is like maximum fucking exposure. I'm getting more engagement than I ever have. That's because you rip Rogers. That's free engagement.
But I'm not getting paid for it. I'm tired of being on this platform. And it's X now. Journalists, they don't even say X, formerly known as Twitter. They just say post it on X.
It's fucking X now. My wife's phone still has the bird. Because she doesn't do automatic updates. And I go. I bet you you could sell your phone.
And And get like, cause remember when they took Angry Birds off the App Store? People were selling phones that had Angry Birds on it. 'Cause you couldn't download it anymore. Right.
Yeah. Anyway. I blame Rogers for Devontae. That's 100% 100% I do. I do not advantage of a young man.
The age difference between them is pretty similar to. Rami and his girlfriend. Rami's taking advantage of her. And her naive ability. Rogers took advantage of Devontae Did you stop yourself from saying naivete because you thought you'd sound pretentious?
Is that what that was? No, I couldn't I didn't know the suffix to naïve. Oh.
Maybe. I don't co-sign your Rogers take. Just for everyone listening. But I appreciate the entertainment value. I get a kick out of it.
So, what about the take, though, which I agree with? Do you did you not see as reality? Why isn't Roger. That's not Roger's fault. They insta-growed together the last dance.
That's a calculated move. Rogers romanticized the idea of let's go out and win this Super Bowl together. It'll be our last year, it'll be glorious. We'll both sail off in the sunset on different teams. That I And then they lost to Jimmy G.
Yes, they did, but the orchestration. Who orchestrated that idea? Rogers is the orchestrator of all things, Rogers. He's never playing the second fiddle in a storyline.
So Devontae Adams left because he wasn't sure of the quarterback situation in Green Bay.
So he had to look after himself. Maybe, and certainly partially that's true, but now live with your health. Incredible lack of foresight by him. If you look at the several bad cornerbacks that have thrown him a pass since. Yes, correct.
But we didn't know what Jordan Love was going to be. I don't know what Devontae Adams would look like. I partially think that Devontae Adams, like sometimes when there's a young quarterback or a not great quarterback, they just, they just like, oh, there's the, like, Will Levis is like, oh, there's Hopkins. I'm going to force feed him the ball.
So it might have worked out, and maybe Adams would have got production in Green Bay anyways. But Aaron Rodgers wasn't the one that started the exit plan of the Packers. The Packers did that when they drafted Jordan Love. But they gave Rodgers, after doing that, they gave Rogers the mega extension. Sure, sure.
But that doesn't mean that he's going to be in town forever. That just means they're rewarding him for his good play and they're doing their best to satisfy him when he's in town. I'm not saying the Packers chased Adams out of town. That's not what they did. I'm saying that Adams left because of quarterback uncertainty, and the Packers played a massive role in that by taking Jordan Love.
All right. I have a question.
Okay. What is the correct number of receptions? That Devontae Adams needs. Where he's still happy after a loss. Six.
I think he would rather have eight receptions and lose than seven receptions and win. That's a good beat reporter question. That'd be a kick-ass beat in a question. How would you ask that?
Well, I don't know. Devontae got him. You asked that without ever that player never talking to you again. I didn't just come here to win. I came here to, what did he say?
Win the right way or play the right way? I can't remember what he said.
So, Devontae, what would be like the catches do you need to be satisfied with your production and a win? You're not getting an answer. Or even, hey, Devontae, first of all, I think you underestimate, I think I could be a pretty good beat reporter. I think I could. Ask the question.
If you find a way to ask that question, I'd love to hear it. I'd say, Devante, this team isn't winning right now. You guys have a lot of question marks, a lot of things you're working through, but you have talked many times about wanting to continue to build your legacy and build your resume for potentially a Hall of Fame gig one year.
So, if this team isn't going to win, What does your production need to look like to keep you on that track and to keep you satisfied while this team rebuilds or while you wait to go somewhere else? That's what I would ask him. If you think he's gonna give you a numerical answer of like, well, a grand, you know, good question, I'd say about eight catches a game. Yeah. Yeah, it's more of a spiritual question.
I don't know if there's a literal answer. I think it's, but also, you ask these questions because this is something that he said, he's brought this up in the past. Yeah. It's not always, and Paul, you know this, you're a beat reporter. I'm completely speaking down my ass right now.
It's not always about getting the answer. It's about presenting the question and getting a response. Who knows? Who knows what that answer would be? I don't know.
Yeah. Um this is this was not planned. Um The Jair Alexander Postgame interview? You're out on Jair. If you weren't already, are you out on Jair?
I've been out much longer than this. Grant? I mean, what does out mean? They're not getting rid of him. I don't want him on the team.
Get him out of here. Um you're out on him as like I don't know. You're out, it can mean whatever you want it to mean, but like the thing is, the thing is, it's a terrible look. This team is young. They're the youngest team in football, but I think Brian Goudekins smartly.
Kept a couple of veterans in key spots to try to keep things stable. And Bakhtiari got hurt, and Jones got hurt for a while. And that the offense lost all stability. But the defense is supposed to be the unit that could keep the train on the tracks. And Jair is a part of that.
He's making a bunch of money. He's been here just about as long as anyone other than like Kenny Clark, I think. Yeah. And to get cooked is one thing, although that was really disappointing because I thought in that matchup, it's like, hey, if you do your job against Jordan Addison, this defense has a shot to really make this Vikings offense one-dimensional. The Packers might have a shot at home.
Um It's one thing to get cooked, although it was disappointing. It's another to be really immature in a locker room that needs you to be mature. Like you're the adult in the room. But if you're going to, I mean, and I don't say this disrespectfully, but like. You bring a Jair.
To be a playful spirit, to be like, if you're going to count on Jair to be like. The calm, cool, collected adult in the room. You're counting on the wrong guy to do the thing that he's not built to do. I mean, I don't know. I...
I don't think you're, I don't know. He's a playful, he's a playful character. Like, if he's just like you're the best cornerback in the league, you got to be the best cornerback in the league.
Well that the play um I agree with the play part of it. For sure. Like, he needs to. play much better. You can add less.
There's people at offices that can get away with a lot of shit because they produce and sell, and you need those people on the team. And so it's like not everyone's held to the same standard.
So if you're going to strut around and act like I'm the fucking best, then be the fucking best. Yep. Yep. Agree. Um, real last quick Packers one because I want to do a Craig Council topic.
Grant. You're my Rashawn Gary guy in a lost season. This is a fantastic deal to get Gary back at this number. Mm-hmm or mm-mm. Mm-hmm.
Because my I think people's worry with Gary is that he's not Uh Miles Garrett, TJ Watt, Micah Parsons. But with this contract, they're not paying him like that. That's right. I think this contract is great.
However, and I was thinking about this last night. You know, we have all these players, they're like, um. What's the ink block test? A Rorschach test, right? You know what I'm talking about?
We have all the, like, Chris Middleton is, I think, the most famous one, where it's like half of the fan base thinks they stink, and the other half of the fan base watches the same thing, thinks they're awesome. We have lots of players like this, and I'm always on the side of, no, they're good. Like they're good because of this, that, and the other thing. Like, I'm always on that. And I gotta say, it's kind of fun to be on the other side of one of these.
Like, I'm having a good time, I don't know. But this contract is the contract is great. I think it matches his standing in the league. He came back from an ACL injury. And looks like a rock star, tackled it well.
There's no lingering effects from the injury.
So I give him all the credit in the world. This is a great deal. If it was, you know, 30 plus a year, this isn't going to reach 30 million. Year at any point in this contract. This is a great deal for the Packers.
They are paying Jair to be the top corner in the league. He is not. Thankfully, they are not paying Rashawn Gary to be. one of the four best edge rushers in the league. And by the way, as more guys get paid over the next year or two at the edge, he'll go from the fifth biggest contract to the sixth to the seventh to the eighth.
So he's probably, if he can perform like a top five to 10 edge rusher over the course of the next four years, which I think he will. Which I think he will. Bart, any thoughts on the Rashawn Gary extension? In a lost season, fantastic deal to get it done at that time. It's a good time to be letting.
Your Rashawn Gary's leave. You need to. lock them up and Keep them. I do think that I thought Rashawn Gary would be better at this point of his career than he is. Sure.
I understand he's coming off of uh Injury. Yeah. What is this? He's only in year five. Give him time.
I can't tell if you're sarcastic now, Grant, because of your previous Prashan Gary takes. Maybe that was intentional. That's just the way he's actually back. It could be It can be a good contract, and also it's like Jesus, man. I know both things can be true.
Which I don't think I've said in a year once you pointed that out. But since we pointed it out, I hear it everywhere when I listen to sports talk. Two things can be true. Oh, and people love saying that on X also. Yeah.
the social media platform formerly known as Twitter. This would have been a good segue when we were talking about Devontae Adams because there are clearly. Parallels between Craig Counsel's situation now and Devontae Adams a couple years ago.
Okay. Hold on. I'm going to then on the podcast. We're continuing, but I'm going to separate these on the Dan Shaney YouTube streams. Is this going to be a little short?
Is this going to be the cut? It's going to be a little short. And I did this last week, but the Packers one ended so abruptly. It was like, because where I cut it off, it was like, you were just like, well, that's what Goudekins does. And it was like.
And it was like you were, but in context, it was fine, but the way I did it.
So, um, this is the end of the Packers Dan Shaney YouTube. Hey, everybody. Yeah. Let's talk some Craig Council. I'm Grant Bills.
That's Paul Imig. Here's Bart Winkler. What do you got, Paul? Close enough. We were in the in the Packers discussion we had recently, we were talking about, and very recently, might I say.
Mm-hmm. I don't know if you guys have thought about this, talked about this, the parallels that clearly exist between. Or might seem to be clear that Devontae Adams. He didn't really go explore the market until he felt undervalued by his current. Team.
Craig Council is exploring the market to see what he's worth. We all thought. He was managing for the Brewers in 2024. Or he was gonna go watch his son play baseball in college for a few years and take some time off. Maybe he'd be an honorary member of the front office.
He's counsel has now taken multiple job interviews for managerial openings.
So I don't want to talk yet about maybe So, this is one of those if yes, then who.
So, we're going to get to that. But if the news breaks that Craig Council has agreed to be the manager of a different team. You're going to be mad. about the situation. And then we'll get into like if yes, then who.
We'll try this one on for size. I'm already as mad as I will be if he leaves. I'm already mad. that it got to this point. Because it's like You're with someone.
And then instead of, you know. giving her the ring. You go. All right, but just go sell some more wild oats just to make sure that you like lock her up if she's the one.
Now you're letting him go like. Don't if counsel is going to just try to have some conversations or get a free trip or whatever, or you know, want to just negotiate and bring the money up. If you're Mark, don't let him. Don't let somebody else put. A piece of paper in front of you that you can like you get caught up with things.
Uh You ever go and like buy a car and want a test drive? You get kind of caught up where you're like, fuck, am I buying a car right now? Am I going to buy a car and you have to like, no, no, no, no, no, cause there's. But you just gotta, you know, no, no, I'm not doing it. If you put him in these other situations, he could be like, fuck it, am I the manager of the Guardians?
And then by the next thing you know, you sign him, all of a sudden, you, whoa. Don't get him in that situation. The fact that Mark has let these interviews happen. Absolute failure by him. Absolute failure.
100. Grant 100%. Grant, if news breaks that council has agreed to be the manager of a different team, you're going to be mad about it. Yeah. Because I think if that happens, it will be because the brewers didn't match whatever money he can make elsewhere.
I don't think California.
So it's literally Devontae.
So even if the Brewers then say, okay, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine. We'll give you that money. The Mets are going to give you, just like the Packers did with Devontae, it's too late. I've explored elsewhere and I'm gonna do that. I don't think that.
No, I think. No. So in that way, there's no parallel. Like, I think the Mets, let's say they offer him 6 million, and Mark's like, eh, I can do 4.2. I was like, okay, well then I'm going to go to New York.
That's the situation where I will be very, very mad.
Now, if Council just wants a new challenge and he wants a team with a bigger payroll and You know, whatever. Brian Anderson's doing it, David Stearns is doing it. Everyone wants to go somewhere else and go where there's good players. Fuck, and money. Like, what if council just wants to do that?
I guess I'd tip my cap, I'd be really bummed. Because I guess the naive Wisconsin sports fan in me, the guy who grew up here as a Brewers fan, thought that there was something there with counsel, and this did mean something to him, and this was special. Maybe it was for a time, but I thought it would be forever.
So, if he leaves because the Brewers aren't willing to pay him what he can get elsewhere, and that is the sole reason he leaves, I will be pissed. If he goes somewhere else because he wants a new challenge and a new opportunity with more money and more resources. I mean, I guess if the brewers offered him the money and he still wanted to go somewhere else, what do you do other than be sad? You can't be asking people to pay for your stadium when you won't pay for Craig Council, also. But I don't think we'll ever know the answer to Grant's questions, though, that it was because of the money or it was because of a new challenge.
Like you might get like a snippet version of kind of the half-truth of something during a press conference. But I don't think you, if council signs tomorrow with the Mets, I don't think you're going to know.
Well, if Mark had just paid... This amount, he would have stayed, but he wouldn't.
So now we're just going to frame it as council wants to do it. It's not just about how much Craig Council earns on a paycheck. Mark should have done anything, assuage. A sage, a swage, a swage, any assurances, Craig, what is it that you would be looking for in these other teams?
Well, I want more money. Done. I want us to spend more money. Done. Is there any chance if he's like, I want to live in Queens?
Well, then it's like, well, I can't fucking do that for you. By the way, did you see the story that was planted that, like, I don't know, four or five days ago, where it was like, Craig and his wife have always really liked New York. And so, this was one of the national reporters in MLB. It was like, he and his wife have always really enjoyed living in New York.
So the Mets do have that going for them. I was like, uh-oh. Like you're already planting like ooh Craig and the wife like the city That's a bad f Little nugget, if your goal is to keep. But is there any chance that Mark believes what the three of us talked about a couple weeks ago, which is You Kind of know maybe how far you're gonna go with Craig as your manager. And even though it could be much worse with a different manager, you need to take that gamble that the next manager is gonna bring you to that next level.
But if Mark really wanted, when Mark really wanted, he doesn't, he can't think like that. When Mark really wanted a soccer team, he got a soccer team. When Mark really wanted that trading card, he got the trading card. If he really wanted counsel, he could have counsel. I know budgets, and I know even multi-millionaires have budgets, and that's fine.
But if he really wanted counsel, he can have counsel. Yeah, if he's that is he has the money to do that, so why does he maybe not? want counsel. There's something there. I also, and I brought this up with Brett and Tosa on my show, and Brett vehemently disagreed.
Brett's a big Mark Ottnacio guy, and I am not an Ottnacio guy, but I am someone that realizes that this fan base blames him for lots of things that I don't think are his fault. Yes. And that is unfair. Yes. Stephen A.
Smith voice.
However, It will be interesting if we think the money is comparable and he chooses to leave, anyways. You got David Stearns. Who got so burned out and so frustrated with the process and what everything was going on in Milwaukee that he was like, I need to step away from baseball for a year and was never in the building. He was, nobody ever saw him. He went to Oakland.
I saw him at Oakland Euros. Exactly. And then he goes, and God, I keep hearing about how far the ballpark is from downtown.
So that's, I mean, geez, he was nowhere near the stadium. Then he goes to New York where the media pressure is higher, where the expectations are higher. And then Craig Counsel, with the money being equal, is like, I'm actually going to go somewhere that I've never lived before. I'm going to leave my hometown team. I think that's an indictment on Mark and what it's like to work in that organization.
I don't know that everyone has a great time all of the time.
So That's something I think about. And if, and if, and if Craig Counsel leaves. You know, for any reason other than I want a bigger payroll and I'm just not going to get that in walkie, it's not reasonable, then I'm going to be pissed at Mark. And I don't normally get pissed at him. Again, a lot of these things aren't his fault.
And fans blame him, but I will blame him for this. Either way, if Craig leaves, it's Mark's fault because he either didn't pay him enough or he instituted a culture that was shitty to work in where the grass looked greener on the other side. But or your Craig Council. And again, much like how I was saying a couple weeks ago, you've hit your head against the same wall, the same playoff wall. It's Mark's fault.
If Craig leaves, it's Mark's fault. The whole point is. At least consider the possibility. That I would feel the same way. No, no.
If year after year, I was the manager of a team that got to the same point or just about the same point, and I could never. Climb that final rung to get over the top. Maybe fine, but I'm just saying that beyond like culture or whatever else, that would make me want to try something else. Sure, someone else will use Mark Tana better. That's what we're looking for in the postseason, and I guarantee.
I don't like You, you, you, you, you want to just get out of here. You play Jesse Winker, and then you play them in both. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Bring it.
I saw a tweet where someone, it was one of Onabam's tweets, and someone responded with that screenshot of Jonah Hill and Moneyball meeting Brad Pitt in the parking garage. And the caption was, Sir, I think it's awesome that you pinch hit Jesse Winker twice in the wild card series. God, I was fucking. Funny. Um Yeah.
It's Mark. I love that. I love that part. If Greg Council leaves, it's one way or another, it's Mark Atnacio's fault. There's worlds in which I will blame him more, but.
for whatever reason he ends up leaving, it will be Mark's fault. Yes. And I mean, so and if Craig leaves, Craig, if Craig leaves. Does it How do you feel it means for taking a step back or not? Like, is it, are you indifferent towards the Brewers 2024 season with or without him?
Does it change your? I think that's a conversation for another day. I know, Grant. I will, I will save it. I think that's a good one, though.
Like, maybe a week from now, Craig has something to think about. Maybe we talk about this next week. Maybe we get council news. Maybe we've already gotten it and it's been inserted into the podcast. But what if Burns is gone, Woodruff's not available, and Council's not the manager anymore?
What kind of opening day is that? I love the brewers. I'm going to be watching.
So I'm not indifferent, but it's going to feel weird and it's going to feel really different. How many hours of the week? Were you motivated by when Devontae Adams put a last dance? Did you that make you think that you might have a last dance with Milwaukee? Uh Yeah.
I did have a dream this last weekend where I was having a beer with Craig Counsel. in Maryvale. In 2024, talking about training, I would say an exorbitant amount of money. to never dream again. My dreams are Fuck it, I haven't had a good dream since I was 12.
Grant, was yours a dream or a premonition?
Well, I don't know. I was driving through Whitefish Bay the next day. Maybe that's why Council wants out here. Getting from Whitefish Bay to the park is such a pain in the ass with what's going on. You know, in the MCU, dreams are to look into ourselves in another multiverse.
Ah.
So maybe there is a universe where you're having a beer with Craig, but Uh not in this one. I saw, Bart, that they are really uh really poor advanced sales for the Marvels movie. No. I wouldn't read into that. Marvels is gonna be a fucking banger.
It might be. Yeah. Looks good. Loki's been great. I'll say that for Seth Everett.
It has. It's been fucking awesome. I love Loki the character. I'm not sure if I'm sold on Loki the show. Bye, keep it invading.
You guys keep going. Keep on keeping on. I'm going to go too, buddy. But I might try Loki season two. I want to like Loki because Loki, the character, is one of my all.
What was wrong with season one? It other than the fact that it wasn't good. Paul, you're literally the only person on earth to watch Loki season one and say that. I know. I couldn't I was I was I was very surprised that it was as lackluster as it was, considering it was.
So highly reviewed. There were things that it felt like I was watching. Like a bad season of Lost. Like they were like all of a sudden there's like the end of the world thing happening in that one realm, but then it didn't really end up mattering and It seems like there are no consequences.
Okay, that's my criticism. I haven't watched it like a year and a half. But nothing mattered. Like, there was no consequence to anything. It was.
That's been the problem with Marvel lately, is. They don't spend enough time on the Main timeline. They have Guardians go to some other fucking planet. Amings and fucking Quantum Mania. I think the Marvel's probably on another planet.
They got to do things on our 616. Ah, 616, yeah. Strangers on 838. I just want another show that's as good as WandaVision. WaterVision was great.
Like, was there anything anything better Marvel's done for it than Wanda Vision? What would compete with WandaVision as like the best thing that Marvel has done with their shows and movies? It's like just on Disney Plus, Loki. That's so stupid. One division is elite.
Loki is mid. I don't have the energy to do this. All right, you go get some rest. Take a nap. And watch Raw if you must.
Oh, yeah. I get to do that today. Paul and Grand Pills. Thank you both. Bye, buddy.
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