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Duh. Good morning, everybody. I'm Bart Winkler. Grant Bills is here if you're on the Dan Shaney YouTube. In a little bit.
Grant is going to morph to Tim Shea. It's going to be riveting stuff. Yeah.
So we got an action-packed episode for you today. It is Grant and Tim. And then, if you are on the audio version, I rip through a bunch of Packer voicemails where. More people are calling saying that they want us to lose.
So, real thrilling shit. There. I think um I think the Cubs aspect of this is the most. I don't know, like.
Well, it goes both ways.
So Council leaves and goes to the Cubs. And if he goes anywhere else. Anywhere else. You could justify it as. Get your money, do your thing, make your challenge.
But it's the Cubs, which is a big fuck you. And now it's leaking out that this was his dream job, which is. bonkers and that you move out Do you 100% buy into that? I read that. I'm like.
I don't know. Seems a little much. Um Yeah, I mean, I guess I don't know. Like, there is that little, it's just the. Milwaukee's always been the little brother.
And Craig just affirmed it: like, oh, this is great. I love here. I do this. I got my own feel. I got, you know, whatever.
But if I could go to Chicago, I will leave in a fucking second, which is bothersome to me. I was on the score yesterday. They called me, Shane Riordan did, and I was so happy. Not for any of this, but I got to do it, I've been waiting for 30 years to do it. There's a Seinfeld episode where Newman.
gets caught like stealing mail or not whatever and Uh they come to his Apartment. And he goes. What took you so long? And so Shane called and I picked up and go. What took you so long?
And then You know, obviously chopped it up with the boys, but the Cubs part of this. I don't know. I think I think. The Craig part bothers, like the Craig betraying us bothers me. Just as I'm looking at different comments, and now I'm realizing that.
People took my video and are using it in Cubs land, and I'm not getting any credit. No links on my YouTube. It's infuriating me. And we're just like this joke. The Cubs Didn't care about Craig Council one way or the other.
And now, because we're so upset about it. They're so happy that they got him, they don't give a fuck. that they got him. They just care that they took him. From us.
And it gives him the upper hand and It just sucks, Grant.
So welcome to the show.
Well, Cubs. Fans upgraded a manager big time. David Ross is a dweeb. All right, Horvatz said that. Um so they want them.
I want them. I want them. I do not. Um, but we can talk about that later. They upgraded a manager.
They should be happy. But I also Like Fans, don't you feel a little Don't you feel a little dirty? Don't you feel like this is. a little wrong like i Thought of Game of Thrones and the Red Wedding, and how even Tyrion to his dad after that happened was like. Really?
or the finale of Veep. When Selena Meyer finally gets elected, and like everything else around her, like went to shit in order for it to make it happen. And it's like, yeah, you did it, but at what cost? It just feels so wrong. that he is managing the Cubs.
And I feel like Cubs fans should even. Think that. I want them to recognize that. You know? They They win the World Series a few years ago.
And then And then they're celebrating taking Like, I'm reading some of the quote tweets now from this. There's some guy on Twitter named Joe underscore obvious, two underscores. Nice. And he took. Two minutes of my video when Brett tells me That um this from Podcast the other day, Bretton Tosa tells me that council is uh going to the Cubs and he cuts the two-minute video.
Says, send me your addresses. I want to send you guys some brewers pacifiers. And Cubs fans are And again, it doesn't link back to my shit. I watched this multiple times. It's funnier every time.
It makes it all worth it now. Like it wasn't worth it when you got Craig, but the fact that Milwaukee's in shambles, bro. How do people, when they quote tweet, always say, The same nine fucking things. It really bothers me. Cry more.
That's a big one. You get hit with that a lot. This is definitely staged. They're not aware with how much or how little effort you're willing to put into. Stunts like that on your podcast.
I don't think you'd go to such lengths to stage something like that. This is a bad one for Brett. This Bart Winkler guy seems like a true fan. This other guy coping crazy.
Well, look, I mean, Rhett, this. Craig Council.
Sold us. He gaslit us. And and so I wanna know. Because I think Giannis, bringing up Giannis, is a rightful thing to do in this comparison, where he said a lot of things. Um And he said, loyalty.
I've talked about this, but imagine if Giannis also grew up here. Craig Console grew up here. He doesn't, he likes it. It's not like the pictures come out of him as a kid at the ballpark, and he's like. Ah, geez, that's embarrassing.
He's like, makes that his profile picture. You know, he's all like, I'll do every commercial you want, show streets that I walk my kids on in strollers when I was a young man, dad, like really, really intersect and interweave. the fabric of Milwaukee with my DNA. And so I want to know at what point. Did he decide?
I want to like if he decided I want a different challenge, that's another thing. But to go to Chicago, you can't weave the Milwaukee Brewers in your DNA and then. Chicago is just like, hey, would you come here though, maybe? And then, in like a day and a half, maybe less, say, yes. that quickly without I don't know, like.
Would have been better if he made us If he did, I don't know. The fact that he's so quiet, acknowledge that you hurt me.
Okay. Hey, clip this, ordinary Joe, whatever fuck your name is. Click this and link to it next time. Fucking asshole.
So I agree. I get a lot of people because I've been talking about this on my show and on Twitter a lot because I love tweeting about the brewers and people are like, how can you like the professional media people of the world who've like covered him for a long time and know how the business works. And they're like, if you guys don't think that this isn't how the business works, or if you think that like he's going to turn down all that money, like, yeah, I do expect him to turn down the Cubs money. 100% I expect him to turn down the Cubs money. Yeah.
Because that's not reasonable, but Bart, we know fan is shore for fanatic. This is not a logical. Thank you. Like, go make all the money from the Mets. If he made $100 million to go start a baseball league in Saudi Arabia, I would have tipped my cap to him before I approve of what he's doing down in Chicago.
You just can't, you can't do it. And he did it. I don't care what he's getting paid. I don't care what they promised him. You can't do it.
You can't. And why if you're a fan of another team? Like, who is anybody else in this kind of situation?
Somebody that. I can't even think like somebody that would grow up. manager, coach, player, whatever, someone who would grow up. Like if all of a sudden there was like Who's someone so Chicago that it's like makes you sick? Like did cut?
Yeah.
Or like I don't know, like, yeah, Dicka, and he's just like, ah, I'm going to the Packers. Yeah.
Well, they gave me, they offered me money. It's like, shut up. But if Fav went to the Vikings to fuck you to the front office. Is that what council is doing? Because Mark's all pissed now.
So Mark's all like, I'm going to be the champion. And people are like, yeah, yeah, Mark Athnazio. When we got to realize, like, he's gaslighting us too. Both of these guys are in a fake out contest for who to pretend like they're more Milwaukee. It's a fucking.
Alex Lazari Showdown. I blame Craig more. Give me more. Acknowledge that. It was funny.
It was funny. I blame Craig more for this because. And I listened to the Mark On SU press conference. And I drew my own conclusions. Um, he sounded like he just got broken up with, and he didn't expect it, he didn't see it coming.
He sounded like a significant other called him and said, We're done. We're through. And from what Mark said, and my understanding of it, from what I've read, is the brewers all year long were extending goodwill to Craig. They're like, he's been here forever. He's our guy.
He's unsure of what he wants to do. If he wants to keep managing or if he wants to keep managing here, we'll let his contract run out. We'll let you explore your options. And I think the understanding probably from the brewers was: we'll let you go explore, go like, go off. We want you to be happy, but can you keep us in the loop?
And what counsel ultimately did was, is he took all that goodwill. That the brewers extended to him, and he negotiated through media leaks, and then out of nowhere, he. signs up to be the manager of our rival. And I think the brewers have to be standing here thinking like, well, what the What the fuck, dude? And it's such a blind side.
It's not just that you did it, it's a blind side. Yeah.
So you did it, but it's a blind side. That's. Like sometimes, if you're in the political world, you may see. You may see a phrase, the cruelty is the point. Yeah.
I feel like the cruelty of this was the point. And so this goes back to my.
Well, I don't remember what I said this about, but. They're trying to like Craig's on one side of the room flipping like, fuck you, Mark. Mark's on the other side of the room. In between is all of us.
So, whatever you're gonna direct at Mark or the brewers. you are directing at all of us and i'm sure at his press conference he'll say I love Milwaukee and the fans are great and I love that, but you burned it down. You burn it down. Um you're you're lucky that Ass was written ass. You kidding me?
Yeah, I actually drove by last night wanting to say Fuck you piece of shit. Fucking. Worst person ever, but someone already wrote asked.
So I was like, oh, okay, I'll keep driving.
So ask guy did the world a favor. Yeah.
Yeah.
I like your point about, okay, well, Craig is. Probably part of this decision is to stick it to the brewers a bit. For one reason or another. And we could talk about the relationship between Craig and the front office and maybe where it went south and why and all those things. But he's doing this to get back to the brewers, but we're the ones who suffer.
Brewers fans are the one who suffer. Because Mark's more than content, as bummed as he is, and he's publicly getting clowned when your top guy does this to you. And it catches you off guard. But Mark's content to plug in the next guy. They've created this nice little baseball machine there.
I think they can keep doing what they've been doing for the most part with another manager. It's not going to feel the same. It's not going to be as fun. It's not going to feel the same. But the Brewers fans are the ones who struggle.
We don't deserve this shit. You know what I mean? Like. I'm not saying that I like I hope to see a World Series in my lifetime. There's no reason to be cursed.
We're cursed. Why? I know. I know. There's no.
There's no reason why. Because we took the pilots, maybe? Like I say we can't be cursed because we got a baseball team stolen from us. But then we stole a baseball team somewhere else.
So, does that curse us? We're cursed. Something's cursed us. No franchise goes through this kind of shit. Wow.
And it's Brewers. Look, we don't, Brewers fans don't deserve to go through this. Like the hater trade and then Woodruff getting injured. Like my fake, the two brewers that I probably feel the most connection to. are probably Woodruff and Council.
And Woodruff's going to get non-tendered after jacking up his shoulder before a playoff run. And Council just joined the rivals to the South in Chicago. Like, okay. When he says I want to stay close to home Fuck you. How does that sound?
First of all. then just stay home. Then just stay home. Second of all, This is not your home anymore, boss. Not anymore.
You can you can put it you can You can pay taxes here. You can have an address there. You can send your mail here. You ain't home. No.
We see you at Sendix. You ain't getting high five. No. No, you ain't you ain't home anymore, Vamp. How does he how does he Like, I'm thinking of the first day.
Okay, they'll play in spring training, and that'll be annoying. But the first day that he Is in the bus from the hot. He's going to be in a bus. from the hotel to the stadium. Or he can drive or whatever, his wife, whatever.
But there's he's going to have a drive to the stadium. And it's not like. When you drive past old places you work and remember what it was like then, and how you've changed, and things that have changed, and the routes that have changed. you're driving into a place that you like You j yeah you burned it down. And now you have to go back.
What that first. I just I can't and I and I hope Brewers fans boo 'em, but I don't know that there's going to be enough there. Oh, there won't be. Like massive cheers. That's the last stand for the Spurned franchise.
When Kevin Durant left Oklahoma City, I remember being in my college dorm room freshman year with my buddy saying, We need to watch this game Wednesday night in ESPN because the fans are going to let them have it. Right. Or when LeBron James went back to Cleveland, or when Ben Simmons went back to Philly, although he didn't even play.
So that was kind of, we're not even going to get that. We don't get that. Mechanism because it's all Cubs fans.
So we can't even boot we can't even voice our displeasure with him. Because we're gonna boom. And think about this part. You know, things the Brewers fans don't deserve. you know, are my my my brewer's hero.
Is probably Craig Counsel, and it's probably up to, you know, Braun, but Counsel's been here forever. He's one of the greatest brewers of all time. And if you were to try to explain to someone, well, our guy's Craig Counsel. A couple World Series.
Well, he didn't win either of them with us. Won them in Arizona and Miami. And he's a great manager.
Well, now he doesn't manage for us either. He managed for the Cup. This is our guy. And he's made all his bones, and he's probably gonna. Have his finest moments with other fucking teams.
Yeah, it's like us being Lions fans rooting for Matt Stafford. Yeah.
It sucks. I just uh I just don't want to see it. I don't want to do it. I don't, I don't. I just okay, so I'm already picturing the Cubs fans.
Look at this guy, Cope. It's like, I just, it's just so, it's just at what point, like, you had 108 years of suck, and then it paid off for you. As a Brewers fan, we know that there won't be That's not coming. If we have 108 years of suck. That's just like, okay, we're We're halfway there from 216 years of suck.
Yeah.
There's no light at this end of the tunnel. And for Cubs fans to have been through all that pain and agony. And then delight that their neighbors to the north are feeling it too. It really is, it speaks really poorly as who they are as people. I agree.
And I'll put Ryan Horvat on blast. And these are the exact things I said to the Chicago audience, I want you to know on 670 the score. Good. And I'll say it to Horvat. You know, I've had to listen to Horvat for the last three years.
on your programs and others. Be like, oh, I hate baseball. I hate the Cubs. This team's terrible. I don't even spend time watching him.
Well, guess what? The last couple of years, those Cubs teams that haven't been good enough for you to watch, that's the type of team that Craig Counsel has willed to the playoffs in Milwaukee the last couple of years.
Now you're going to get Craig Council, Shohei Otani, Juan Soto, Derek Jeter. Clone. You're gonna you're gonna get Joe DiMaggio.
Someone's going to take a mosquito that bit Kali Yostrimsky and turn him into a fucking. New person. Uh Yeah. You're going to invent the time machine that goes into the future to get the best players 30 years from now and bring them back here. Like, and then it's gonna be like, oh, Craig Council's a genius.
Well, because I've added Juan Soto third and I've added Babe Ruth. The fifth, fourth? Fuck you. It's gonna suck. It's gonna suck.
When is it our time? I don't think it's gonna.
So I like, I want to quit. Yeah.
Fuck. Yeah.
And I love this team. What's the point? What is the actual point? You're correct.
Now we're going to be like... Like, is there a comeback story? Is there We Beat the Cubs? And then, what, though? We're not, we're not going to do it and then lose in the NLCS soundly to its amount better.
We did talk about this with Paul Emmig a couple weeks ago about if the brewers could use. A change of something. But I think. Yeah.
I've been counseling going to the Cubs. Supersedes any of that, makes that all irrelevant. Because You've got this like that. No, it's like two ants talking about where they go to dinner. And then one place is closed, and then a giant foot steps on them.
Like, there's bigger fucking problems now. Yeah.
Clubhouse culture. Yeah.
Um Yeah.
Well So I don't know. This this franchise is really good at reminding its fans that things can always get worse. From the hater trade to then losing in the playoffs. To them, Brandon Woodruff getting hurt before the postseason. to then losing to the Diamondbacks.
To them, which by the way, the sick irony in losing to the Diamondbacks, and this is what was lost in the whole, oh, the streak of teams that beat the Brewers to make the World Series. The irony that was lost in the Brewers losing to the Diamondbacks is the Brewers are the team, the self-proclaimed team. Just get in, just get in and get hot. And they lost to the team who got in. And just got hot.
They've always done that, yeah.
So I you know. I don't know. What is the point? I don't know. If Craig Counsel, who and I you've used this wording and I think it's funny, has behaved at times like he's a direct descendant of Bernie Brewer.
If that guy says, shit, man, we can't. You can't win here. I'm never gonna win here. If that guy says that, then what am I? What am I supposed to think?
If Craig Counsel leaves the Brewers to go to the Cubs. How am I supposed to in the next five months? Find enough things that excite me. For opening day like What Fucking middle reliever, we're gonna have to sign. Like, there's like everything's ruined.
Oh, but Jackson Churio's coming up. Oh, great. I don't fucking care.
Well, Aaron Ashby, I mean, he should be healthy this year. Ethan Small now, Ethan Small had a setback last year, but Do you think there's any way Mark just says fuck it and puts all of his investment into Payroll. Just like, cause nothing's worse than a lover scorned. And so Mark's going to buy a bunch. He's going to buy a new Lamborghini, a new fucking house.
A plastic surgery wife. Uh, so to speak, in terms of the kind of like, okay, you don't want to be here. I'm going to fucking spend every dollar, every one of my last dollars, my kids' inheritance. See ya. All to get back at Craig.
Well, and what's annoying is The year to do that would have been the last few years. Like this upcoming year, they're not going to have a woodruff. They're Flip a coin. I don't know if they'll have burns. But the year to go out and get the big price corner infielder or the big price DH was the last couple of years.
Like this upcoming year, I don't know if it makes sense for the brews to go in and. and spend money and acquire talent.
So that might be the worst part of all this, they're going to take a step back next year, which would have been fine if we could have just had our guy managing the team. But now that's even too much to ask for. Forget a World Series, it was just kind of fun to have the hometown hero managing the team. And not only did he leave, but he went directly to our rival in the middle of the night. Yeah, I don't think there's any comparison.
I don't think that you could, I mean... Because it's not just It's every level. It's, you know. His kids winning state, and we're like rooting for his kids. Like Brewers fans watched his kids play at state and rooted for them.
Mm-hmm. There's never going to be a level of A guy that's so representative of a franchise. And then really. in two days decide to throw it all away. Throw a net.
Yep, that's where I went. Yep. Your mind went to Genesis as well. Oh great tune. Got a great album.
Great band. Um God, this is fucking depressing. It's my favorite Genesis song. Uh Oh, you know what? What I like is the one about Jesus.
Jesus, he knows me. It's got a good and he knows I'm fine. It's got a good breakdown section in the middle. I've been talking to Jesus. All my life.
Oh, yeah, he knows me. Um Yeah, this man, I don't have Horvot. Are you having Horvot on this week? Don't fucking have him on. I don't want to hear him.
I don't want to hear, oh, I hate baseball, baseball sucks. And now, all of a sudden, this is the most important thing in the world. to all Cubs fans. I won't have it. I just I won't have it.
Well, there's only one way for me to Recover from this. I'm about to do something that nobody recommends, not even the people that make it. I'm going to have a. I'm gonna have hempios. I'm gonna have a cereal bowl full of hemp.
Happy place and gummies. We uh We used to call, that's a spin-off of the Skittles party. Did you guys ever do that back in the day? No. I had a high school teacher explain to me what that was.
It's where you take all of the parents' prescriptions and you dump them into a bowl and mix them together. Yeah.
I'm gonna I'm gonna order, let's see, which one should I order? Again, this is not. Don't. Just comedies. Order from happyplacehemp.com, promo code BART, 25% off.
And if you're feeling like, Take one gummy. Or maybe two, if that's better for you. You know, you work it out, you play along. I'm just at the point where I'm going to. I'm going to buy some of the Oh, that'd be good.
The The green apple ones. the Delta 9s, and then they come in a little container. I'll take a few out for You know, displacement purposes, and then I'll pour milk in and just go nom, yum, yum, yum, yum. Cinnamon milk, cinnamon apple milk. Yeah.
What are you talking about? Bart, why are you laying on the couch for four days straight? I made gummy cereal, honey. Why? Because Craig Council tore down the fabric of everything I know about loyalty.
Thank you for not being. And Paul is this guy.
So we're going to get a dose of this next week. It's like, if you think for a second that Craig Counsel cares about the fans more than he cares about money and opportunity, don't be that fucking person. I get it. I see Ted Davis being that person, Jen Lada, Drew Olson, which I get because Drew Olson's like known counsel for a million years. He did care about the fans, or at least he made it seem like he did.
Sorry, I listened to him.
Sorry, my mistake was listening to the words that my manager. He went the extra effort. It'd be like, I talk about. The people like Okay, Rob and Chris at Happy Place Hemp. They were there for the moment I started a podcast.
They're like, we want to do something. 25% off has been great. And then people have used it. And then I've connected other people, like work, and all these people, Tupelo Honey coming on board, and everybody that's Carl, then seeing the Seek. I'm getting the C Dan Shaney.
And I really appreciate every single person. That Um has been a part of this podcast in any stealing time from your life. I mean, I owe a lot of people an immense amount of just like gratitude, if not more. And then what if one day There was just a recording that came out that was me being like. I gotta tell you, I hate every one of these fuckers with a dying passion.
Mm-hmm. Cause it'd be like, well, no, no, cause it's because then you'd be like, well, okay, but then why did Bart go? constantly out of his way. To say those things. He didn't need to say them as much as he did, but he did.
And I did. And what people are thinking, well, Bart, Craig didn't come out and say he hates the Brewers and hates Brewers' fans. He didn't have to, because with what he has done, he might as well have said it. He did. He did.
That's what he said. Actions speak louder than words. He spoke very loudly on Monday afternoon. He said it, yeah. Like, um.
Yeah, fuck shit. God damn it, motherfucker. Those are words that could be. I would just like a perpetual. Really?
Spray painting of swear words on the sign.
So when ask goes away, let's put fuck. Just one, just one word. Yeah.
When fuck goes away. You know, and when the Cubs are in town. The C word might be appropriate. I don't know. I'm not the one spray painting.
I already washed all that off my fingers. I'm good to go. Onabam's comment was really funny the other day. What did he say he was writing? Assuredly, a winner in our book or something like that.
Yeah, we didn't mean to do ass. We met we were but then the cops came. We wanted to say assuredly a winner in our book. You were about to wrap up, and I shouldn't. I still like the comment.
Somebody said a comment of. I hope he tears his Achilles on the fourth pitch. I still think that was maybe the funniest thing I've read. Yeah.
Like, we've had callers to Bill's show in the midday, or like, well, I don't know if I can bring myself to cheer for him. No shit, you shouldn't bring yourself to cheer for him. You should be actively cheering. In Wisconsin, we're going to feel like, oh, we have an obligation to cheer for our guys. Yeah, well, guess what?
He's, he will, he doesn't want to be your guy anymore. No. Shoover, your guys all you want.
Someone's like, this is just like JJ Watt not taking less money to play with the Packers and go, no, it's what? It's not even close. Why do we always equate things? Why are we always? God.
I was doing this. We suck.
Now I'm not gonna tell people how to fan, I guess if you really wanna cheer for counsel. Go off. I don't want to tell people how to fan, but. Come on. Come on.
Have a nice Have a nice baseball season next year. I'll talk to you in October. Why making plans for spring training? I'm going to get on their ground floor with the new manager. All I ever wanted was to be friends with Craig Counsel.
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Let's talk to Tim Shea. My ride or die in life. Is this going to be on the Dan Cheney stream or no? This is a Dan Cheney YouTube stream and a podcast audio. Let's go, crew towel.
There you go. Tim asked me that because he is a prop and it's a. It's a brewer's towel.
Now, I'm glad that you asked me that. I have props too that I can use. I can use my, uh, I've got like. Craig Council Bobbleheads and stuff. What do I do with them?
Awful. Awful. Mark! Tim's getting one on the top of his fridge. Shoot, I'm too short.
You're too hard to get out of here. Come on. I haven't had a cough for two months. You're going to bring it back. All right, all right, all right.
You little troll. I grabbed in the chair. Tim's trying to oompa loompa his way over to his fridge. Oh my god. One This you gotta get this on YouTube.
Short little man trying to get on his fridge. All right. Two counts of Bible heads. I'll put my friends right here. I'll just hold them.
Do we do we do we break them? Do we sell them? Do we He ripped the head off. He's done. Oh, no.
What about the other one? Remember, you waited in line for those boxes? I waited in line. Like, look at this poor thing. This is throwing Craig Council.
When he was in a uh Oh, I don't know. When he played the field, I guess. You wanted them so badly. Hey. Oh, can I have that?
I need to replace this. Yeah, you want it? Oh no This is what Craig wanted. All right, now that that's gonna make me go get the last one I have. When he when he left This is what he spent 18 hours mulling over a Cubs offer for.
It was that all these Brewer fans that I've gaslit for years. Are gonna be are gonna Feel betrayed by me and The money's worth enough that I don't give a shit about them. I don't care. I have batting Craig Council too. This one didn't break good enough.
This is like indestructible. What the fuck, Craig? I I can't rip the whole head off, so this is what we have now. He likes won't mine won't break. Mine's just like chipping.
It's like insult to injury, man. Look at the smirk they put on his face in this one. Yeah, they're like. Painting him. They're like, smile like you just left us for the Cubs.
So replacing Craig Council now will be William Contraras He had a few emoji that he tweeted. Yeah.
Alright, you know what I want from you? Three shakeaways on council leaving for the Cubs. How about three shame away? Good fast game away. Um My first shakeaway.
Good job to whoever uh Wrote apps. Um, pretty constant part. Why you're getting quiet. Can you hear me? Is it the music?
Is the music really loud? We're gonna have to do shakeaways with no music. Uh, the music's now too loud? Yeah, I was having a problem. Yeah.
Uh, first shakeaway. Uh, rattled whitefish bay. They already put a tarp over the uh. The sign at Craig Council Field. I would like to talk more about the That was written on Craig Council's feel.
And it was not me. I specifically said if I went to the field to do anything, it would be to poop. It was not me either, just so you know. It wasn't me. First of all, I do have an alibi also.
Okay. Now I see in the morning That There's this vandalism that occurred. I see this on Tube Morning. Shout out to CBS 58's Mike Kirchhoff, the first one to get it, by the way. morning so did mike just like drive by he lives on the northern Part of Milwaukee.
So, um Yeah, because all the news stations then had it. Was this like a tip line, or was this Kirchhoff driving off? He said yesterday that he goes. When this happened, in an email, he goes, something's going to happen there. Like, they're going to vandalize it or take it down.
So he goes, just by hunch, he's like, I'm going to drive by tomorrow and just see if anything's there. And he took that picture. He goes. Two o'clock in the morning. On his way in.
So there's a Craig Council field in Whitefish Bay for those that don't know, and there's a sign that says it, and somebody spray-painted the word ass. late Monday night, early Tuesday morning. And I feel like that's the least offensive thing. Like, you might as well just put jerk. Like you vandalize property.
Okay, that's bad. We all know. But if you're just, you're gonna, you're gonna go there and write ass, like, That's nothing. And then the news is blurring out the word ass. And then they're blurring it out where it's like a three-letter word we can't say.
Then my mind's going crazy. Credit to us that at least we kept the SS. It's 2023 and you're blurred the word ass. This is not a TV word. It's not like radio.
This isn't like radio. No, no, no. Everybody's so sensitive about the word ass, yet there's these. Mm. Watch politics.
Oh, I know. We don't have role models in this country anymore. Craig Council was my role model personally. And now look. I gotta uh I got a.
I have a phone number in my phone that I believe is his. Oh, dear. Don't. Don't. I am going to delete it.
Now Because I'm going to be with a lot of high school buddies in Pittsburgh this weekend, and I'm worried.
Some things will happen. Should I just text him? Asks. No, be like Craig, want to come on the pod? I like.
Craig. Can you just tell me like. Wh when you decided to throw away 55 years of Being a Brewer fan. And now, apparently, the SI article says this was his dream job. That just sucks.
You know what sucks about this? It's like. It's like the little brother aspect is. And I don't You know, the last 10 years or so, Packers have been better, Brewers. Post-World Series for the Cubs have been better.
Bucks are certainly better. And I think Chicago gets annoyed. that they can't trounce poor little Milwaukee all the time. Even though no truer lyric Then bears still suck. That's why they come here every chance they get.
Like they do. Illinois people love, because if you're in the city or around the city, where do you go? You're not going to go. I mean, you could go to Galena, I guess. You can't go east 'cause then you're in Gary Ol uh Gary O'How.
Indiana that like this It's all, it could be the most beautiful day.
Somehow, it's always like stormy and foggy there. And then, if you go south, it's just flatland.
So, of course, they run to the lakes, they run to Lake Geneva, they run to Dork County. There's a lot of great places. In Wisconsin, that they come and they keep coming here, but they come like it's their little playground. And now they were able to get not just counsel. You know, it's one thing if you get counsel and he's just like a manager.
Like, people are trying to say, it's like if LaFleur went to the Bears. No, it's not. It's like if It's like if Curly Lambo went to the Bears. You know? It's like if Bud Selig said, I'm going to buy the Cubs.
That's what it's like. And I agree with you. This is worse than Brett Favre going to the Vikings. But this isn't even like Giannis going to the Bulls. This is.
This is more insulting to me. That might suck. I don't know, but this isn't like far that sucked, and people leave Moliter, that sucked. But this was this was a pure insult And again, you know, we could talk about money. He was born a brewer.
Yeah, that's just the thing. It's like So, all this stuff we said, there was a price on it, and we were duped. Into thinking maybe this whole time there wasn't. But even still, had he gone to the Mets? That would have sucked and then we we would have been mad, right?
But We would have been like, okay, money. But this is more than this isn't just money. This is. This is you left one. Way of life for another.
It's very insulting. I can't believe he's going to actually show up at Miller Park. As a As a Cubs manager. I can't believe he's going to go through with that. Um I know when the Bart Winkler tailgate should be next year, May 27th.
Yeah.
Um Oh my god, you want to? Should we do it? At least you and I need to go to that game. May 27th. I don't want to go to that game.
Isn't that the first time? Yeah, I think that's the first time. Oh, Memorial Day. Yeah.
So I had said something online about how it's going to suck you're going to go to that game. There's going to be a family of four wearing council jerseys in front of you that are cubs jerseys. And my guy radar at the mix was commenting, like, I've never seen Cubs fans wear managerial jerseys. I know there's people that have worn. Madden jerseys, but whatever.
He just hasn't seen it. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if the Cubs fan base has never, it doesn't matter if not one managerial shirt or jersey ever sold. What better, like, insult? I mean, that, what better if I'm a Cubs fan, I'm buying that immediately because it just does, it doesn't just say that I'm a Cubs fan and I support my manager, it says, look what we got from the brewers.
So even if Cubs fans never bought shirts. They're buying shirts now, man. Absolutely. It's it's you know, you go, what's your highest selling jersey, Dodgers? Yeah, no Cody Bell in here.
Clayton Kershaw. Rangers. See her. Cons. Craig Council.
It will be. What? It will be. Unless they get shohei or sodo or something. It will be.
Craig Console, your manager, is going to be your number one seller. Just. To get us.
Okay. So you've worked with the brewers. I mean, is Mark like is Mark the worst person in the world to work for? Because everybody's running away, it seems. I guess.
I mean. And I had a different view of it. Mark doesn't care. Our stuff. Like the front office?
Please. He's not he he doesn't care about that. He put someone else in charge. Of like what game ops? No, no, no, just the whole office itself.
Like the behavior, you know, the front office, other than baseball operations. Pretty much anyone that's. I don't know. I don't think that's too crazy. That shit's boring.
But you're if I own a baseball team, I don't own it because I want fucking. Tim Shea to dance with Barrel Man. No, but your owner should be at least involved. Not involved, but should, you know, know what's going on in the office, right? At least know that.
I suppose. That's my opinion, but.
Well, and then Craig told him, according to Mark, Craig told him that he was thinking about leaving. At the end of the season, I would have fired him. That would have been crazy. They'd be like, Why'd you fire Craig? And because he told me he doesn't want to be here, so I'd fire him.
He basically gave He basically gave us two weeks. Council gave his two weeks to Mark, according to Mark. He gave his two weeks. And then Mark just Mark Mark's reaction was. Hell, I don't want anyone to know about this instead of get the fuck out of here.
What was firing counseling? I remember this. Did it ever come out? Like, oh, yeah, we talked, you know, and that's up to Craig, Craig's decision. If I were Mark, I would have come out and said, yeah, he doesn't want to be here.
Like, let's see what kind of reaction you would have gotten from the fans, you know, the last weekend of the season. And into the playoffs. Would have been an interesting move. Craig Craig, you know. Mark's playing the role of, well, we'll see what happens after this season and Well, then somebody asked me to put him in the hot seat.
Make him. No, someone didn't ask me. I saw the tweet, I saw Brewpack. uh tweeting about Who do you blame between Mark and Craig? And really, the two of them have been in like a tango of.
trying to be like. Which which fan base can I um Can I suck her into thinking that I actually care about this place? Craig's been a wizard at it forever. And Mark, you know, Mark in one breath is saying, you left the community, what a great place.
Well, he's trying to nickel and dime. the fucking public for tax money. It's just bad, it's bad outlook all the way around. Everything's bad. Everything's.
Everything's just bad. Everything's bad. Yeah, it's bad. But it's the brewers. What do you expect?
Like, this couldn't even go down, like.
Well. Whatever. Like, you know, he goes to the Mets. We all move on. Like, okay, we saw that coming.
I wouldn't have even been mad if he went to the Mets or. The Astros or the Cleveland. Like, we would have been, okay, we were kind of expecting that, right? Yep. Okay, good.
But this just opened a whole new kingdom. Everything. You can still do the brewer thing. Like, I love Milwaukee. I live in Milwaukee.
I am Milwaukee. I am Bernie Brewer, and go to New York and say, I just wanted a different challenge, and I wanted to see if I could manage with. A little more resources given. I understand the social, or not the social, but the financial constructs of being a. A team like Milwaukee.
I understand that. And I enjoyed managing that way. But I also want to win a World Series. And I want to, like, I have, this is my life. This is a personal challenge that I want to take on.
I want to know. I don't want to have the regret. I want to know. And that's even like, that's somewhat of a justification. We'll see what he says.
He may say the same kind of stuff. But it's the Cubs. You don't do that. You don't do that. You don't do that and kick your buddy David Ross out.
So be between now and Monday. when he will be introduced. As the Cubs manager. That's happening Monday? Yes, that's what I heard Monday.
Is there, like, I don't even think he's allowed, like, I shouldn't say I don't think he's allowed, but I don't think there's gonna be anything in the paper, you know. Like a full page, thank you, Milwaukee. I don't think that's gonna happen. Why would he? The Journal Sentinel should fake one and then that'll sell copies because we'll all buy it to burn it.
Okay. Like, right? I can't believe it. This bobblehead barely broke. His foot broke, and his arms broke, but the head's still there.
I shouldn't have broken this. I regret that.
Well, I why? Look at my cab broke. Try tearing the head off. Yeah.
Ow!
Some real good Dan Shaney YouTube prop comedy happening. Measuring me and Shay.
Now hold it up, and then you know, that's your crew.
So, how do I get reignited for the Brewers? Like, I'm already down on the playoffs. I'm already down on the length of the season. God knows what our team's going to look like. That's the key.
What will the team look like? Is this gonna be a total like We don't even have a We don't even have branded wood rests. If somehow this Publishes after News of a manager signing. I'm still going to keep it in. Who do you want?
It's Who Do I Want?
Some of the guy okay. I wouldn't mind if if somehow Tampa Bay goes full like Whatever. and says sure you can interview Kevin Cash. Wouldn't mind him. You gotta re so here's the thing.
Um I'm a sucker for Don Mattingly. I want someone to be our manager that was. On The Simpsons. I was listening to the score. Earlier this morning.
And they're like the brewery should just go I'll I'll dickish and and and hire just an asshole. No, the Brewers should hire David Ross. They they want they want them to. Yeah, I know they think he's a shitty manager, but There was someone saying that they really like David Ross on the show. I want David, I want that.
If you're going to sign our guy, then we're going to sign yours. Um I like I kinda like the two guys that apparently are retired. Francona and Dusty Baker, but Francona's got health issues. Francona, former brewer himself. Dusty Baker.
Dusty Baker would be a good fit here, I think. Yeah, but they're not coming. I know. So real. And now they know, here's another problem.
We offered Craig 5.5.
So now they know that we'll offer it.
So now I got you.
So Dusty's not coming back for three. No. He's not coming out for four. Even if you hire like Ricky Weeks. No, stop.
I mean, do the brewers just give it to Pat Murphy and say, get mate, put him in a corner and say, who are you going with? Council to Chicago. Are you staying here? Why wouldn't Pat go with Craig? He's got no affiliation unless they offer him the manager position, right?
Yeah, but other than that, what are the ten pulls keeping him here? Tim Andrews. Oh, no, he's gone. That's it. He's gone.
He's going to Chicago. The whole staff is. The Burrs will hire uh here, the Burrs will hire Quentin Berry. The guy who struck out in twenty seventeen? Yes.
Hehehehehehehehe No. This sucks. I know. I just was not. Oh, that bobblehead.
Yeah.
She gone. I just The cubs. The Cubs. And it reinvigorates a Cubs fanbase to be dicks and to really gloat. And there's people that don't even.
Care about baseball. I see it on the YouTube video we posted, which got itself into Cubs. Cubs Cubs fans are seeing it. And it's not even good insults. It's like cry more, clown.
Bitch more. Fuck you. I mean, what are we? What are we doing here?
Well, at least you got the Badgers to look forward to. Fuck. Nebraska and Minnesota to close out the season. Nebraska Saturday night, NBC. Guess who has another vacation?
Will When NBC got that Big Ten package, they're like, man, I hope second last week of the year we get. Nebraska, Wisconsin. When they're both three and six. Mm-hmm. Still in play for the Big Ten West.
Are we like, even are we assumed to make a bull? We need to win one more. We have five wins. Yeah.
Okay, well I could see him winning all three games. I could see him winning one. Yeah, they're so bad like how do you even how do you even How do you, with any confidence, say they're going to beat Nebraska or Northwestern? I could see them beating Northwestern and losing to Nebraska and Minnesota.
Well, they gotta beat Minnesota. I don't know. I don't know. Okay, what are rivals anyway? How do we know that?
Pickle's not just going to fucking say, I love being a badger. And then, how do we know that Barry Alvarez isn't going to be the next AD of Minnesota? He's a badger. He was, I mean, his grandson is a badger. How do we know that Aaron Rodgers isn't going to work his way back and then Forced a trade from the Jets to go to the Bears.
Born a bear. Yeah.
Born a bear. I don't know. I I just you know that Grey Guard's not gonna pop up at University of Illinois. the other night. Monday night.
What, people that stayed through the end of the game finally? No. It wasn't on T V so that's the only way you could have watched it. Was it on Peacock? Oh.
That's Friday's game. Badgers won, Marquette won. The Panthers of Milwaukee got a dumb. I'll be at the Marquette Game Friday, I believe. Who's Marquette got Friday?
Ryder. Oh, Ryder from Paw Patrol? No. Well Different rider?
Well who do you think the brewers are going to manage? Or higher. Who do you think and who do you want? I know who you want, David Ross.
So who do you think? No, they'll hire some guy. I read an article in the athletic. Uh the name was Walker McKinvin. What if they go out and hire like Tony LaRusa?
I hope they do. Just fuck it. Just blow it up. It's too early to say who might be on the Brewers list, though one internal candidate to keep an eye on is Walker McKinvin, who has been with the organization since 2016, spending the last three years as the associate pitching, catching and strategy coach. I type in Walter McKinvin.
And the first five images that show up are Sophia Minnert. The Red Sox logo. the brewer's front office. And Vinny Rettino. The fuck is Walter McKinvin?
Walter McKinvin looks like all my high school friends. merged as one person minus 100 pounds. What about Marcus Hannell? No. Other internal other candidates include Mark Kotze, Gabe Kapler, Walt Weiss.
Oh, I always liked him. Clayton McCullough. Rodney Lenaris, Don Mattingly, Andy Green. David Ross. There's no John Gruden in there?
There's no John Gruden in there. Although the La La Russa is kinda like your Groot intake. Yeah.
Boy, could we? Could we By the end of this Packers season, could we have gone? Through a new Badgers coach. And then they hire Fickle. A new brewers manager.
And possibly a new Packers head coach? No. Are you sure? No. Okay.
Hey, I apologize. I was talking all about me and Rami and our lunch, and then I did it right in front of your face, and I didn't even. invite you really. It's fine. It wasn't a serious invite.
And I apologize for that. It's alright, we can do lunch soon. But I would like to go with you. You know, you probably didn't listen. I sat next to Gruber.
Oh. I saw Gruber on the street right after the council news, and I was going to interview him like TMJ Ford did after Giannis. But I couldn't do it. I couldn't get myself to do it. Bart, I would have.
See But then I'm glad I didn't because then he went inside Tupelo Honey 2 and sat right by us. He sat right by us.
So, through the end of November, here's what happens. If you go. And make the reservation online at tupelohoneycafe.com. Then it says like special request or whatever. And just put in like Bart or Bart Winkler's show or Bart.
I'm here to do this. Wait, is this real? Yeah.
Do you know? Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, nice. That's awesome. Is what real?
That you get a discount? Yeah, they're partners of the podcast. I did not know that. Yeah.
Oh, I might have to go there now. Make a reservation, put Bart in there. And then everyone will know. And 20% off food. for up to you and six people.
I'm going there. I hope Gruber. Apparently, Gruber goes there a lot, so he can see celebrities. And I hope Gruber, somebody tell Gruber. You know Uh, he doesn't get rich by spending money.
Somebody tell him to. Put Bard in the mentions for reservations. And make it happen. Downtown on the corner of Clyborne and Broadway. Across from the public market.
Um But on the other side of the 794, which will be torn down soon.
So someday there'll be a beautiful park in front of Tupelo, honey. I cannot wait. And there's already the pickleball park. Yeah.
Yep, you can catch Bill Walsh and the rest of your CBS cronies down there. They love it every Friday. Do they play at that one or do they play at a different one? They play at that one. That one?
Grodsky? Yep. Yeah.
Well, I hope they go to Tupelo Honey after. Use the code. Remember on weekends they do have a brunch. I got the sriracha chicken. On Monday, which was very good, with the side of grits.
So again, tupelohoneycafe.com and You know, make sure you. Go to the Milwaukee one. I will have to tell Kevin Holden that. He is a big fan of Tupelo Honey. Yeah, make sure you use my code.
I will. I will let him know. Get 20% off. Make a reservation using my code. It's not even a colour, it's just you you type it in.
Well I could I should go there with Kev. You guys should. I'll come. Oh All right, well Brewers, I guess, need a manager. Why don't you apply?
I think about it. Would you be if I don't get around to a post-game show on Sunday, because I'll be at Pittsburgh, you should host one. Would you be my would be All hell breaks loose. By the way. Uh your your boy Q and Well Q.
Jake has had, well, Q had some. Uh Awful takes on. I think Q's a scrull. I think Q got taken over by a Marvel Skrull. Oh my God.
Maybe I should be a Cubs fan. Go. That's not Q. That's not the Q. Q, I saw Q at the Bucks game.
I sat pretty close to him, and then he gave me a ride to Pado. The queue that I saw on Friday last week. It was not the Q that's been jumping on here. Q got taken over by a Skrull. And it probably happened at Poto.
That was bad. I think there's scrolls running around Pato. And then yes, Jake, too, for wanting the Packers to lose. They're not losing. They're going to win.
You've been to Pado yet with the second floor? It's like a new casino came to play. I know. You don't even have to go downstairs. Yeah, but so we went downstairs.
Yes. Tables were closed, machines were broken. They want to shuttle everybody. What was up there before? Bingo?
Was it like those Banquet halls too and stuff? And a banquet hall, yeah. Where the fan played whiffle ball all those years ago? Yeah.
Wow. Yeah, it's amazing. Even like the walls, like their LED boards now. I like went up there and touched it once. Yeah.
I'm like, is this real? Yeah.
Have you ever seen an LED board before? Yeah, I have, but not like right in front of me. like walk right in front of it. Ceiling to ceiling to wall? LED?
No. Or ceiling to wall, floor to ceiling? Yeah.
Yeah, we played wiffle ball up there. What's that? But yeah. Good stuff. What are you doing?
I made a commercial for Wiffleball. I was looking to see if I had it still. Oh, okay. I don't know that I do. Hmm, that's a bummer.
It was like Take me out to Wiffleball. Yeah.
I thought it was pretty good actually, but. I guess not.
So, I'm going to go to Goodwill and look for Craig Council Biblehead since I do.
So, what's the brewer's slogan next year? A whole new us, a whole new ball game. My still favorite one was: we're taking this national. We got fucked. Yes.
We got betrayed. We got screwed.
Some Line up for pottle with full ball. Bring a team with a few of your friends. Clayformer Brewers And guys from the fan, but hurry and sign up as fast as you can. Where's the music? That was just the raw recording.
Oh, that sucks. We got that. All I why do I why do I have the dry recording without the Jesus. I got to go through some stuff. All right, Tim.
Love you. All right, Bart, take it easy. Co-brewers. Co-brewers. This is my crew.
What the fuck?
Alright, uh man. This is also very, very dumb. Craig Council, Craig Council did this. Craig Council.
People are so mad. I got a first time, long time on the Carls Place voicemail: 402-915-BART. 402. Nine one five B A R T. Hey, Bart.
Here. First time long time. Usually I sit back, listen to your show every morning, but. This credit council thing's got me fired up, man, so I wanted to call in. Um Irma Fuck Craig Campbell.
All you council lovers, this is what you deserve. He's not that great. It's going to be amazing. Watching him lose with a team that has a payroll of $300 fucking million dollars. And I'm putting my stamp on this right here right now.
You can tell Athanasio pissed that council left. not only left, went to our biggest rival, And he's gonna spend some money this offseason. And when the Brewers make it further along than the Chicago Cubs. It'll be amazing. I'll hang up in with him.
I mean, all that's great. uh I think it's a little wishful thinking. It'd be nice if this was the Origin story. of Mark Antonasio's spending spree. But I'm just not sure that that is.
Going to be the case. All right, I do have some Packer thoughts. Packers, don't forget, have the Pittsburgh Steelers this weekend. Ooh, baby, baby. Looking forward to Checking out that stadium.
Been to a lot of stadiums. If anybody cares, where has old Barty been to? I've been to Jacksonville, Cincinnati. Nashville. Indianapolis.
Got out to, I did get to the Oakland Coliseum before they left. Got to Cleveland, been to Foxborough, Miami, Seattle, Charlotte, Dallas, Kansas City. I'm pretty fucking cool, aren't I? I would think so. Been to Soldier Field, but that was for a man you Bayern Munich soccer game.
And that was before that. That was before that when they came over here. They actually like play their good players. This is when they like play their C squads. Times have changed.
Now that now that Americans love soccer, yeah. It's pretty great spot, isn't it? Don't know what that was.
So I got some football ones. John and Franklin. Always look forward to these. This was from the other day, Monday morning. It's a regret.
That it's coming now to you.
So late. Here's John on the Carls Place voicemail. Carl of et.com backslash Bart. Hey, it's wintertime almost. Hey, we had a 70-degree day.
Did you get on the course? Yeah, one last time.
Now you're stuck inside, like the hamsters that we are.
So get a golf simulator in that house. Oh my God, in your garage, in your workspace, you're going to be like the best come spring. You've been playing all summer. Did you go down and you go winter in Arizona? How'd you get so good?
I don't know. Title screen, Carl's place. Carl of et.com backslash Bart. Here's John. Hey, good morning, everybody.
It's my line. With the better late than never. Podcast response. Um, been listening to everybody's back and forth on the games Sunday. Very interesting.
Very interesting. Interesting scenario for me because I had to work. Sunday. And while I could have had a TV in the background, I mean, the work I was doing, I really couldn't have paid attention to the game. did record it.
But I ended up finishing work literally at like 3.15 and was just starting to hit some On the way home, some responses to the game. And honestly, I didn't know until I got home, and my neighbor told me that they had won because from From the back and forth I was hearing on the radio, um it sounded like they lost. Um I am with Yeah. Um and John's with Q? Oh, our Gaiq.
Jake? To a point. And Bart, I see your point also. I I found out when when Favre left, I for half a game I was rooting against the Packers. As a matter of fact, it was a quarter.
I was a far guy. And all of a sudden I realized where my bread was buttered. And I said, and I know that.
So, if I would have had to sit and watch the game, I would not have been able to root play-for-play against the Packers. I wouldn't have. But I will say I was disappointed when I got home and my neighbor told me, They had one. I'm just laying it. This is for me.
This is my experience. I see both ends of this. And frankly, even if we were to lose a bunch of games. I understand we're not gonna be any better than maybe like the Fourth or fifth pick. considering the dreads that are in this.
NFL this year, but a move could be made to go up. An expensive move, but it could be made. And all I want is an open mind as to where to go forward from here and and what's at stake for all of us. Everybody wants this thing to turn around on a dime. And we in our brains we know it can't.
But like we went into this season not really knowing for the first time what our team was about. We didn't know. Were we a playoff team? Were we a bad team? Were we just going to switch quarterbacks and move on back to the low rounds of the playoffs?
We had no idea. And after the first win, we all got overexcited. And then reality hit us square in the face.
So all I can say is let's all be there for each other. We all love this team. We got different thoughts. Let's heat it up and get after it. But at the end of the day, we all want this team to be good, and we don't want to do like the Bears in Detroit and be bad forever to get there.
I'm out. All right, regarding the draft. And some of the discussion about where everybody falls with that. If the Packers were bad enough to go for like one or two or even three. That's one thing.
And some of you guys think that they are. But I think as you play out the season, they would not be. Like you're going to have to, you want it, you want, you want to tank, then you're playing Sean Clifford. And then what was the whole point of the tank? Love's going to win you some more games.
Arizona is not going to win games. Carolina is not going to win games at Pitco's or Chicago. Chicago is not going to win games. The Giants aren't going to win games. That's four already.
So that puts us at five. Worst case scenario. You're going to take the rest of this season so you can get the five pick. And then you say, well, no, it's about the rest of the rounds. Bart.
Instead of picking eighth in every round, you pick fifth in every round.
Okay, well, by that point, Everybody's board's different. You can jump up. I mean, I just I I don't know. It's early November. I can't spend the next nine weeks rooting against the team.
If you're going to root against the team, Do do the method, do where you don't watch the game. Don't follow the game and then get the result later. I find that very effective. I'm in 11 fantasy leagues. I kind of do that with my fantasy teams.
I get sucked into the DraftKings when I play. And I always lose, but then I check my other teams later to see how I did. And it takes the emotion out of it. You know, it helps you, it helps you maintain a more balanced lifestyle. If you're sitting there rooting against the green and gold, Your body's fighting with itself.
How could it be? Um Jake called in. To comment on a conversation. That he was a part of? I have Jake calling in the transcript.
Talks about How he loved Q's call. He was in, he was there. I'm a little confused, but Here's Jake. Good morning, Winklivers. Thank you, boy.
Hot take, Jake. Let me talk to you. After perhaps That's the most spirited. Evard Winkler Peck. There's post-game shows that we've seen.
Could everybody just calm down now?
Okay, I think I figured this out. But first things first, I don't wanna forget. Kill Man, that might have been the greatest single Bart Winkler Show appearance by any guest ever. Chef's kiss, that was amazing. Great job.
amazing takes yesterday.
Now, I know why we're all upset, or at least I think I do. I think it's because subconsciously we all know that this Packers season is going towards a worst case scenario, no matter what you wanted out of this season.
Now Bart, I was kind of with you earlier in the year when you were like The only thing that matters this season is figuring out what Jordan Love is.
Well for me everything slipped when I got off to the shitty start. When Matt LaFleur showed his ass every single week with his terrible first half scripting and then not being able to do anything in the first half. Um Then I watch Caleb Williams play and I'm like, all right, maybe it's time to just flip this thing. You're talking a lot about this Saturday night. Was that the first time you saw Caleb Williams play?
If it is, that's fine. All of a sudden, you've been very Caleb Williams. You're pro Caleb Williams after he cried? Oh. Everybody else is anti 'cause he cried.
But Jake watched that game, and now he wants him. We already got a coach that cries. You want a quarterback that cries?
Okay. To each their own. Where was I? Damn, look at that. Anything in the first half.
Then I watch Caleb Williams play and I'm like, all right, maybe it's time to just flip this thing. Unfortunately, what's going to happen is they're going to win seven games. They're going to be picking like 13, 14 in the draft, kind of middle of the road. They're going to be so happy with those seven wins that they're going to say.
Well, Flora, Barry, let's do this thing again. And worse. Of all, we're not going to know what Jordan Love is. He's going to continue to give us one good game, one bad game, one good game, one bad game. And then we're stuck with that decision we didn't want to have to make is do you give them the Daniel Jones contract?
So again, nobody's happy. is why I loved how succinctly you put it when it's like This team is disappointing because whatever you want them to do, they do the opposite.
So That's where I think they're headed. basically hurtling towards worst case scenario this season, and that sucks ass. And I think that's why everybody's subconsciously mad. We all want the same thing. Um we get a little bit in our emotions, which is fine.
you know it's 2023, almost 24, were men. We're allowed to have emotions now. Yeah, that's what you want. You want a team full of criers. The arrest of the voicemail was about stuff that's already irrelevant.
Like Bucks games and stuff.
So I'll cut you off there, Jake. Again, so we're not doing that every week. By the way. We're not doing this every week. It's not going to be a pulse.
When I get on, it's not going to be, hey, I want to get on with Bart's show and talk about I wish we would have lost. We did that episode. We're done with that episode. If that's the take, then you can leave a voicemail or tweet. But we're not, we're not.
You can talk about what you've seen in Jordan Love, you can talk about what you see in LaFleur, you can talk about whatever you want to talk about, but the take of I'm sad we won. eliminated From the show. No more. Banning it right now. We had the conversation.
No more. We got to be bringing new. Fresh. Innovative. The content needs to churn.
Not be recycled. I have another take from Spark Guy. Sparkai thinks he is the Preeminent man to talk about this because he's a Bears fan and has watched shitty quarterbacks his whole life. Jordan Love. Is Better Okay.
You tell him the year I got into Jordan Love, was Jay Cutler any better than this? And J. Color is who they say is their best. Jordan Anyway, I didn't even listen to this yet. I just.
I do see in the I think I see Rex Grossman in the transcript, so. I'll play it here and see what happens. Bart, Spart got here. uh just checking back in Yeah. On the topic of cover.
in conversation around here. Jordan Love. I've made my opinion known for several years. weeks now but Um I do have to touch on one point that I consistently heard here. And I think as the perspective I'm a fan of a team.
That has In my lifetime, never had. a good quarterback, I think. Um sometimes I get the feedback of what we don't know what. uh good quarterbacking looks like and uh Yeah, but you guys don't know what bad Quarterback. Looks like, and I think that's what I would touch on.
Disagree. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We don't know what a whole, we know we, we, we know a bad quarterback looks like. The the it's funny, okay.
I'm going to Pittsburgh. Packers last time that I remember them being in Pittsburgh. Non-Jordi Nelson injury department was when Brett Hundley went there. And Brett Hundley threw three touchdowns. And everyone's like, oh my God, Brett Huley.
And I said, guys, all these throws were ass. He was, and that was his best game. He was terrible. We've seen Rogers be hurt. And miss years at a time.
And Good quarterbacks didn't magically appear. We've seen bad quarterbacks. We know what it's like to go into a game and have no faith and shot in our quarterback. And also, A lot of people that are Packers fans. Are Badgers fans?
It's been a whole lifetime of bad quarterbacks. And the one guy that was like good. is the biggest douche on earth now.
So We know what bad and plus we've watched the Bears. We know what bad quarterbacks look like. We know what they look like. I do get offended by that for some reason. what I've seen over the last Particularly Six weeks.
Jordan Love, but also his entire uh portfolio of work since even came in last year. I think that there's misunderstanding with the people that are still waiting on Jordan Love is Um the moment and He has plenty of moments. There are some. Unbelievable throws, unbelievable moves of athleticism that are pointed to as. evidence that he will progress into the quarterback.
Um want. That is someone that is not well versed in bad quarterbacking. Bad quarterbacks like Zach Wilson are cool. They're very rare. where it's pretty much bad all the time.
Add to average quarterbacks. have a lot of date moments. And for me, again, coming from Vera's perspective, my comfort Jordan love. Let's close them. Um he makes these throws that are um The times are the worldly.
He's got all the arm strength in the world. He's got athleticism. But there are too many missed balls, there are too many missed decisions that place him in a category that is not. Um not going to a friend. And I think the The other category I would point to is This idea that Quarterbacking in the FL.
is a steady progression of improvement. TJ Shroud. is an exact example of most of these guys If not all, you know, have it or they don't. I can't think of the last elite quarterback that has been a slow progression toward great. In the last 20 years, I would ask for someone to counter that.
Rogers was much different for his first seven games. People like Tony Romo. They figure it out quite early.
So I think those are the two things. You guys don't know what bad quarterbacking is. It doesn't punch you in the face. It's the consistency and just missing too much. And secondly, there isn't this big wheel of progress.
So that's My input now. See, buddy. I think if we think about like C. J. Stroud and Bryce Young.
If you want to look at that, a lot of people want to be out on Bryce Young already. Threw three picks the other day. And CJ Stroud's had a really nice start, and he's thrown more yards in a game. That game on Sunday he had was the best statistical game according to next-gen stats of any quarterback this season, rookie or otherwise. And if you watch CJ Stroud, you're thinking, this is pretty good.
And then if you're watching Bryce Young, you're thinking this is pretty bad. And you can make those determinations after eight games. It's been half a season. But are you saying that that that's it? Like, this is it now.
Jordan, not Jordan, CJ Stroud's a great quarterback, and Bryce Young sucks. Are you definitively saying that? Because that's what people are definitively saying about love. That's what pisses me off. And I think he did have a nice game, but nobody can focus on that now.
Nobody's talking. I mean, I said this the other day. When he throws short, sometimes I'm like, oh, shit. When he throws long, I'm like, ebbily. Every other pass I have.
immense confidence in. Because he's completing those. Third downs driving down the field. You need 10 yards. Jordan will find you.
Jordan will find you. There's been a lot of good to Jordan Love's game. But you come and you focus on the bad. Oh, you kind of threw that one behind him. Yeah, he's trying to make a play.
He's trying to make a play because he's got the pressure of Packer Nation on his ass, trying to think that he should be fucking Brett Favre. Come on. Yeah.
Quit whining, Bart. Look at these brewer fans wine. You want guys that cheese wine cheese with that wine? Why are so many people such fucking assholes? That's the show.
I'm done there. These are not Related to Sparka, I Something else triggered me. It's fucking so stupid. God. You're better than this, Bart.
Someone said that. When have I ever proven that I am? No, I'm not. I'm not better than this. That's the whole point.
Fuck. Ah, see ya. Tomorrow.
