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Well, David Lee Roth for you. I'm Hart Winkler. Was that what I'm saying? Paul and Mickey, oh, it sounded like I ain't got nobody. Or is that Hagar?
I don't know. More of a Sammy Hagar guy myself, personally. I never know which one's which. Oh, God. I don't know the difference.
I also don't care. Like you can't tell me a Van Halen song and I'll go, oh. The devil iron. I don't know. I guess if I listened, that was David Lee Roth, right?
I ain't got nobody. Because he's doing the, yeah, that's David Lee Roth.
Okay, I know that. Um Today is Blackout Wednesday, a phrase which I will still triple down that I invented. And I am trying. to prove myself wrong.
So I have Looked, the first recorded Google search of it is in 2004. I don't even know when Google started. But And it and it's commonly known to emanate out of the Midwest. They say the Chicago bars took it and ran with it the night before Thanksgiving, where everyone gets plowed. And I feel like I need to see someone.
that invented it prior. to 2002. which would have been my freshman year. of college.
So, if I can find someone, because you all go back to town and get drunk with your high school buddies, and you're all like, I'm at college now. And then the other people are like.
So are we. What the fuck? And then you like. hook up with the quiet chick from algebra. and never talking about again.
Was that your experience? Uh no, I I think I hit hit on my ex-girlfriend and went home. But in theory, it's less totally. Yeah, so I I would still love to be proven that I did not invented but I think I did. Or I came up with it and someone else did, and different, like, sometimes.
Sometimes uh it's not like Someone else may have had the idea, but You know, it grew. I'm at least a part of it. Mm-hmm. You're going to do like a LexisNexis search or something for that to figure out when it first started. Yeah, I tried.
Um I got just a few things out the top of my brain before we get into it. I'm trying to be on threads more. Trying to be on threads more. And um Yeah. And I posted something that I had posted on Twitter, and I thought, well, let me post this on Threads also.
And it was about how Everyone's worked up about Carissa Thompson. And like journalism's dead now. Even though politicians and I said politicians, not One side have been screaming fake news. And then someone goes, Oh, you dirty liberal. And I go, Whoa.
I didn't know we'd do that on threads. And then they go, oh, I guess we don't. I guess we don't. We just hear from crybaby gingers. Yeah.
Mm-hmm. And so I had to I I blocked someone on threads. I think it's a you problem, maybe more than the platform problem, is what I'm saying. I'm not a ginger. Look at my beard.
What color is it? Red? Reddish, reddish, brown. What color is my hair? Yeah.
What color is my hair? Non-existent soon. Yeah, it's as white as your scalp, Bart. But here's something I learned on threads. When you block on threads, it says You are blocking this person and any future accounts they make.
Oh wow. Ah Me likey. Yeah. Me liking that one. Um and then I also wanted to sadly admit that I on Monday night Was rooting for the Eagles.
Gross. I didn't plan on that going in. I needed some Jalen Hurts. points for a fantasy league.
So maybe that was baked in, but Towards the end of the game, those results were key. It was just Eagles versus Chiefs. And I didn't want the Chiefs to win. I just, I think more than anything, I just don't want the AFC championship game in Kansas City again. I agree with that.
Five years in a row. Yep, I agree. It's fucking annoying. Yep. I mean, I like watching the best quarterback in football.
personally i I just can't stand the Eagles. They just, they make. I don't like Siriati. I don't like the the tush-push. Mm-hmm.
They just make it look they make football so boring. I hate it. I What okay, look okay. Should we get into our first topic? This is a perfect transition.
I guess. Um I also just wanted to say that MVS fucking sucks. I've been wrong about a thing or two. CJ Stroud. I was I was extremely, extremely right about MBS.
And I'm going to take credit for that one. Terrible. MVS sucks. He's awful. The Justin Watson drop right after might have been worse.
No, because the M Okay. They're both bad. Let's yeah. I mean, we don't need a breakdown. It was right here.
It was right, let me put my coffee down. It was right here. Did you see MVS hit his helmet against the wall? No, in the way out, he like. But he hit it.
He was like, I guess I'll do this. I guess I'll hit my helmet on the wall to make it look mad. Terrible. By the way, I'm on threads at Bartwinkler, not Winks Thinks for those that want to join. The difference, by the way, Justin Watson's not making $11 million per year to drop that pass, like MBS is.
MBS is specifically being paid to drop passes exactly like that. That was shown to him in the meeting. It's something not to do, but that is his. What's that Leo Di what's that Leo DiCaprio gif? What movie is that from?
Is that from? I've never known. Is that Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? How told it? Yeah.
I think so. Yeah, once upon a time in Hollywood. Yeah. Oh, speaking of gifts, real quick, real quick. Pro football talk and I was gonna tweet at him and But he put Chiefs receivers tonight.
And it was the gift of a little girl. Missing the ball. Is it catch? Which I mean, isn't that already in the GIF Hall of Fame? You can't you can't keep at some point you can keep using Thank you, Michael Scott.
And Florio, so Florio, a lot of people made jokes about chief receivers. And a lot of people use gifts But again, This is my this is my point on him. He always finds the least funny way to make a joke. Like technically he made a joke It's always the least funny way.
So, to you, are there gifts that we have to retire because they've been used so much for so long? I think the thank you one can go away.
Okay. What else could I think of the top of my head? I'd have to think about it. I I there's a lot of good Chevy Chase gifts that I like. There's two or three of them that I That I feel like I use the same gifts too often, but that should be part of people's.
I always use the puppet one reason. Part of your brand. Yeah. The puppet one I like. I always try to, is your rule similar to mine, which is like, I need to.
Like the show or the movie or the thing which I am sending you from. I'm not going to like, oh, I'm going to search. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.
I will. I We're in a dynasty league? Yes. And people were doing gifts like, where are the trades? And I use the Schitt's Creek GIF.
Yeah. And as soon as I posted, I was like. I'm not into Shit's Creek. You don't watch it? I won't watch it based on the title.
I don't like that. I don't like it. I think that's a lame joke. You won't watch the show because you don't like the title? Yeah, because it's there.
It's shit. Shit. It's it's a shit. It's I don't like it. I think I don't.
I mean, I get it. I get it. I don't, I don't like that. I don't like it. Hmm.
It was a perfectly Also, all I hear is like... She goes, Be like, that's not a joke. She's very good in that show, so let's not throw shade on I like them both.
Well, then watch the show. Pretend it's called. No, I don't like Dan Levy. What? What's your what's your problem with Dan Levy?
Levy? Levy? Levy. Mavby. I don't know.
I don't like 'em. What what the fuck?
Okay. And I don't like comedy, joy, or laughter. Comedy joy or lad, the whole trifect is not really for you. I mean, maybe I'll watch it. I, Paul, before we get into it, I'm with you.
Like, when I watch a new show, I will search that show and just look at GIFs. I don't do that. And then find, like, oh, that's usable now. Like, you need to watch the show in order to add that stuff here. Reboot toi.
I think we need to put a disclaimer into the Dynasty chat, Bart. Like, Bart does not, disclaimer, Bart does not like Shit's Creek and instantly regretted his choice of GIF. Brit's breaking news. The Steelers have a different new offensive coordinator. Oh.
Matt Canada has officially gotten the boot. To which Aaron Nagler succinctly added, the guy who took advantage of Joe Berry two weeks ago has been fired. Especially in the third quarter part, which I heard is the best quarter of that game. What do you think? The Steeler game?
Yeah, the Steeler Packer game. Look at you, big Britt Baker fan, with your terrible towel. I don't like terrible towels. I don't, it's had to buy one. I mean, let's face it, the terrible towel is the cheese head.
It's the same thing. It's like you go, if you're a visiting guy and you go to Lambo, You get a cheese head because you went to Lambo, so you get a cheese head. Do you go to the I'm a loser for buying a terrible towel. No, it's part of the experience. Like, that's it.
You collected a memorabilia thing that you can only get at that place. But now you know where it's gonna go. In that storage box.
Well that you should okay. I might build it out. When I do pics with Horvot, I might wave the terrible towel the rest of the year. But that's it. A good take, by the way, of not letting your son.
It would be really stupid for your son to end up liking the Steelers because his dad got him a towel once upon a time. But that's how kids work.
So, oh, oh, oh, and I know we'll get there.
So I give them all these toys. And um He For whatever reason, he so I gave him the starting lineups from yesteryear. And he's got Brett Favre, but he knows we don't like him. And he's got Reggie White, and he's got Bart Starr. And he's got another guy who is 36 that's not Leroy, like Philip Epps or something.
So he's got all these guys. Um And then He's got other guys, and so he picked up a Steve Young. And not only was he tracing him, but he like drew a picture of Steve Young.
So now it's like, fuck, is he a Niners fan? And there's a picture of me with one of my buddies from when I was in. Like eight. 'Kay. uh because he was a big niners fan and i'm like all in niners gear Like you've either showed me that picture or something with that picture because instead of going number one, I have like a crooked number one because I'm not totally into it.
But yeah, so he was a nine he was and I'm like, oh no, fuck if I Oh, the other thing I wanted to bring up. Congratulations to Murphy in the Morning, who is retiring this week. Sure. That like WIXX or something? Yeah, yeah.
I figured you know. Congrats on a long run. Anytime you can go out on your own terms in this business, it's special. It's rare. You don't get to do it.
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See what's on the reds. My profile picture is Craig Council, so I have to. I have to I have to change that now. Mm-hmm. Poor.
Sorry, Paul. That's right. Yeah. Bill came to me yesterday when I had half a mouth of peanut butter sandwich. I did not appreciate that, so I apologize for doing that to you.
He just like you mean during the show on the air, yes. Which that's my fault, don't get me wrong, but. I don't know. How many minutes of Audio vocal time do you have per four-hour show with Bill? The less I think the less I contribute, the better, because that means he's charged up and we got guests and callers.
Like, if I don't have to do anything, I think that means the show's better. But what's the average? I'm just curious. You know what, Paul? I will pay attention today and I'll get back to you next week because I honestly, I don't know.
Okay. I'll actually pay attention this week.
Okay. No clue. Are you carrying on the festivist tradition that he had with Joe? We didn't talk about it. We're not doing it today.
We're not doing it because well, no, it's next month. Oh yeah, you're right, yeah.
Well, we should, yeah, we should air some grievances. No other shows ever do that. That's that's original. Thank you for reminding me of that. We'll be sure to do that.
You're welcome.
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But This one's a the the first one's a bit negative, but it's not like team specific negative. I have been So, I was really looking forward to Monday night's Chiefs Eagles game. If you're not excited for a Chiefs-Eagles game, Yep. You probably don't like the NFL outside of your team, which is fine. If you just watch the Packers and that's what you do, that's okay.
But it. You don't want that game. Like, next week is Bears, Vikings. Like, if you're like, okay, I'm not supercharged for Monday Night Football, Bears, Vikings. Like, that's cool.
Like, I get that. But Grant, I saw you post this last night after I had a pretty underwhelming time watching the Chiefs and the Eagles. And then I saw the Tom Brady Quote. And I was just thinking the other day about how there's clearly going to be expansion across sports anytime they can. But I'm like, there's clearly not enough.
Good football players, not certainly not enough good quarterbacks. They should contract the league because there's not enough good quarterbacks, because there's really some bad football. Have you heard Matt's call? No, I'm sorry, what is it? Matt in the Falls Things they should track can track down to 20 teams.
They clearly won't, but there's that. Because he says there's not enough quarterbacks, he's right. Football's bad. Then he called in with that on CBS on Monday. And then I kept him on the air, and we went through the 12 teams we'd get rid of.
I love it. Oh, well, maybe we don't have to spend too much time, or maybe you can re-air it. But did you, I mean, I'm assuming that some of that came from the Tom Brady comment, or is it separate?
Well, Tom Brady's comment was what, Monday. Matt had called with his voicemail on Thursday because he was watching Bengals Ravens. And he was finally excited. For a good Thursday game. Yeah.
And then he watches this game and he's like, finally, both teams have their quarterbacks healthy and they're good. And then one of them gets fucking hurt. Yeah, but even with the, so like, if, if, Four of the best quarterbacks in the league. Are in the two games we just referenced. Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow.
Yes, Burrow got hurt. And then Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes. And like the football was still.
So then I saw Tom Brady's video where he's, you know, I'm not impressed at all by the NFL product. There's a lot of mediocre football. And then in the meantime, the NBA is As Is better than it's ever been in terms of talent. And, like, this can be kind of like a partial, like, a parent conversation of like, would you once I covered the NFL? I knew like any future kids are not playing football, not tackle football, at least.
Um, Way too. Way too dangerous. But some of what Tom Brady has touched on is like not enough kids are playing football. They're playing other sports and whatever else.
So, anyway, the NFL has a quality of has a product quality problem. Or mm-mm.
Sorry, I was just texting the Steelers news to some of my buddies on the trip, and I said. I heard Matt Canada's offense was so bad it put people to sleep. That and the tr I heard your Podcast after the fact, but the triple shot of whatever you got from that one bartender with a $5 tip. Yeah, no, he did me dirty. Good, but also dirty.
The NFL has a quality product, a product quality issue. Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm.
Well So issue You know, if Tom Brady's coming out to speak against it. Um I was kind of surprised by that because he's still one of the. Face is really a football, and he's going to be and an OK. Yeah, well, I don't think that went through yet. It's still like weird.
But He's going to be maybe in the Fox broadcast booth. Yeah. So clearly, his words are going to hold weight. And I think that, yeah, I think that there is a problem. I asked at the beginning of the year: what's the biggest issue folks, you know?
with football right now, if they weren't a meeting. and say we need to fix this one thing. And at the time, I thought it was officiating. But I think like You know, there's a play on Monday where Fletcher Cox might have like pushed the hubs down a little bit. And we're trading now.
We're like, oh, yeah, that's a foul. But then Brady's right.
Some of these hits from Erlacher and Ray Lewis, and yeah, they're hard hits, but they're also that's the sport. You know?
So that that is, I think. We're washing it into flag football a little bit. Um You just look at these matchups, and there's not a lot of great matchups. There's a lot of teams that are like. Five and five against four and five.
Six and four against four and seven and It's like there's three matchups this weekend with winning records. Jaguars Texans is one of them, which I don't think we're trained yet to think, hey, that's going to be, I mean, it might be a real game. That's, you know, Jaguars need to get that win. Texans beat him already. But it's not like we're not.
Thanksgiving might be like three games of massacre situations. All the spreads are at least seven points. Yeah, I think that the football is The football's gotten worse. I do think the football's gotten worse.
Now, how do you fix it? I don't know. Um some of it might be quarterback play. Yeah. I do think coaches, I do feel like coaches are dumber.
The normal. Like Robert Sala. Robert Cook, go, say what you need to say. Yes. Say what you need to say.
This guy is an absolute cock. I bet Grant did not have that as his guess. No. I mean, you just look at Robert Sala. If I was married to him, I'd have no choice but to cheat on him.
Right. Because I'd just be like, you fucking are not a man. You can't protect me. I don't want to cheat on you. I have to.
You made me do this. Robert Salah's like the guy who Who wakes up like he wakes up like he's uh He's Eeyore. Yeah. Like he wakes up on Friday the 13th and he's like It's gonna be a bad day. Bad things'll happen.
Well it's just a day on a calendar, idiot. Hmm. It's fucking. He just looks so sad. Starting Tim Boyle should help.
That's the trick. That's what they've been looking at. NFL promoting this game for two years. Yeah, you made that point to Costas the other night on CBS. That was funny.
It's like they invented a brand new holiday. Just for a football game, only to have it be Tim Boyle.
Well, they were acting like they're, and then they pitched it, and part of their pitch was like. This is great because it's on Amazon. That means you can do some Black Friday shopping while watching a game. And then I think maybe it wasn't that segment, but I went into my diatribe about how I go, thank fucking Christ, because I was watching. Packer game a couple of weeks ago, and there was, you know, these These really simple monochromatic.
Shirts they wear with just a little logo, and I like them, they're very simple, but you know, you can support your team and. It was the second quarter, and I was like. Fuck, I need to buy that, and then I realized this game's not on Amazon, I can't go shopping. in any way until the game is over. I tried looking at my browser and it was blocked.
Cookies blocked me until the game was over. But now we're getting a game on Black Friday. Where you can shop deals while watching a football game. I can do a radio show. And order boots at the same time.
I'm very excited. For this. I can tell. Grant. I don't I think first of all Tomorrow.
So the NFL has a quality product product quality issue grant or mm-mm I have a lot of individual thoughts. They might not be connected. First of all, Tom Brady sounds like a dick. Like, he sounds like one of the NBA old heads who thinks that they're. Like, he graduated from high school, and then the next senior class, they're actually making the run to state.
And he's like, well, they're actually not as good as I was. The league is watered down. You got bounced in the sectional semis, you fuck. Yeah. But but but that doesn't make him not right.
Does it?
Okay, well, I think he's a little right maybe about some things, but I can't take his message seriously because the messenger sounds like such an ass. And he's not the first former professional athlete to do this. This is not a Tom Brady thing. Like dozens, dozens of former basketball players, former football players have done this. I think football's mostly fine.
Where Tom Brady might have a point is. I think offenses used to, I could be wrong, offenses in the, in like 2000 to 2010, like that window. We're a lot more We ran play, we execute play, and everyone needs to be in their spot, and everyone needs to do their job. And if one of you even thinks about freelancing, And mixing in an edit to the play or anything, I feel like that probably. That's the way the game probably used to be.
And Tom was just this. He was a surgeon. We're running this play, I'm gonna execute this play. And it was almost like it was militaristic, like in a good way. And I feel like then came along Rogers, and then came along Mahomes, and these quarterbacks that play the game differently.
And the offenses kind of are a little bit more nebulous. And Tom never, Tom wasn't that guy. He was not an improvisational quarterback. He wasn't that. And I think that that.
Is a part of the reason why he won so much in the playoffs. Like, I think you need to be boring to a degree in the playoffs. Like, you need to be consistent, boring, sustainable. Running five-yard, like you can't, I don't think, make your way through the playoffs on back-shoulder throws and drawing up plays in the dirt. And I think that's a big reason why Tom Brady could consistently.
And a lot of the times very boringly, like when at the highest level. Yeah. But for the most part, he sounds like a dick. And I think there's more talent in the league now than there ever has been. But, you know, the TV schedule and the injuries.
You think there's more talent in the league than there's ever been. That's an interesting. I mean, athletes generally athletes are clearly better athletes than they were. In any other era, yeah. Tom Brady is the very, very, very, very rare superstar in sports who I really like.
Well Yeah. I thought you I'm sorry, I thought you were I'm just saying, like, I don't think we're going somewhere with that people.
Sometimes I'm surprised when others. don't like him. 'Cause he he seems I don't wanna say he seems like I think, Bart, you said about Andy Herman. Like, if you said this a few weeks ago, but I'll always remember it. If you don't like Andy Herman, that's a you problem.
Like, he's just a universally liked guy. I'm not saying Tom Brady is a universally liked guy. Like, if you don't like Tom Brady, that's a you problem. That's that's not true. But I feel like.
Brady, I mean, I don't know. He seems a lot of people don't like that Tom Brady won a lot. Yeah. But I'm saying, but that's that's a that is or they don't like that he Cheated. The cheating.
I I can people when they say they don't like Tom Brady. I think they don't like the aura and the essence of Tom Brady. I don't know that they actually have listened to or. Or they don't like the fact that he's 45 and looks. 25.
Well, he's had several plastic surgeries. Do you know what different he looks like how much younger he looks now than he did when he was coming into the NFL draft? I don't like Tom Brady. Because I like Tom Brady. The reason why he's annoyed me in the past, and I've like, I've.
I've made my piece with this. Is I think he won. More than he should have for how talented he was. And I've watched a lot of quarterbacks in my lifetime who have much more, they have more natural ability. They do things on a football field that Brady can't do, and they didn't win as much.
But I think as I've gotten older, I realized that, like, part of winning at the highest level is playing a more boring brand of football, like running a stupid screen on second and eight instead of trying to make the amazing highlight play down the field. And I think, I think a lot of quarterbacks now have lost that. And Brady always understand that.
So let's put Brady aside. Um I saw this tweet last night from Atwisco Grant that said, what a deeply unsatisfying football game.
So putting aside Brady. And all of that. Like again, I had this thought. Q had this thought. I'm sure others had this thought.
Separately from Brady saying it, or Q thinking that I was thinking, or me thinking that Q was thinking it. I have just been thinking that if a Bengals-Ravens game can't be exciting, if a Chiefs-Eagles game can't be exciting, so like baseball. Realized so first let's start football the NFL realized like we have a We have an offense problem. Offense sells. Offense is whatever.
Like, that's what. is usually the the needle the needle mover. And so they kind of took on all these different things that made it really hard to play defense, right? And all of the hits that are penalized, and all of the. When a wide receiver and a cornerback are engaged downfield.
And yet. Despite that, offenses are now still, I think, behind defense, right? Defense is better than offense in the NFL, generally speaking.
So then it makes me think of baseball. And they're like, okay, well, shifting has become, well, the NBA. They're like, okay, so we got it. There's this paint, and everyone's just standing in the paint.
So we need to have a three-second rule. Baseball said, oh, there's too much shifting. We need to take offense is what sells. We need to.
So I'm kind of getting to the point that is like, what is the NFL going to do? Like, oh, you can't have a single high safety. You can't have. You can't play zone coverage in these areas of the field. I think it's getting to the point where offense is so challenged in the NFL that unless all of a sudden You know, six great quarterbacks emerge, and there's not such a quarterback problem that, like, you might have to govern You think offense I the the the Defense gets penalty just for touching a guy.
I know, and yet you still can't score points. I think it's no I think it's noise mostly. It's like how many. I watch, but you're only going to score points if you have a quarterback to do so, and there's only like a two handfuls that are worth anything at all. I'd be like scored and if quarterbacks get hurt, like I heard it said the other day, like and we probably listened to the same podcast, Grant, on Sunday with Simmons, but um.
Like You listen, I listen, so just accept it. Basketball season, I've no, and I'm out on some reason. It's his football pod. Which I'm not extra out on. I've never what it's what it spelled out, though, was like this is the year of the backup quarterback.
So, not only are there not enough good starting quarterbacks, there's sure as hell aren't enough good backup quarterbacks.
Well, yeah, that's why I say, like, scoring's down this year. I think it's mostly noise. Like, you have a couple big plays are down. Like, I, I, you're, I think right now it is noise. I think right now it's just statistical noise.
Yes, I don't see it. fixing itself next year. Or the following year. I excited. I just think this is kind of where we're at.
What says Bart about this? Bart hosts a national radio show. Here's perspectives from lots of different teams. What Tim Shayu, Bart? Yeah, what's Shayu?
What's the question? Yeah. I think it's I think it's noise. Idea of it. It's a lot of drops.
I was tweeting about my. Reservation with Tim Shea.
Now, this will air after, but. Tim and I had a Tuesday date at Tupelo Hungie. Oh, how was that? That's today. I'm a dumbass.
I can only assume it was. Outstanding. Yeah. I don't think the NFL. No, I don't think the NFL has any.
I don't think they can peel away the rule book anymore on defense. What are they going to do? But they can.
Okay, well the hip drop tackle thing, like that's I suppose. Legislating to try to stop injuries is one thing. Legislating to try to improve scoring. Is enough. You know what happens though is they have all these rules that you can't hit a guy a certain way and.
Love this. And then all these times that these guys are hurt, it's like the flukiest shit ever.
Well, like the moment. Every time the ambulance comes out, it's like. There was nothing anyone could have done. He just like Emmanuel Wilson's injury. Like, did it look like anything happened near the sideline on Sunday's game with the Packers?
No. But his shoulder popped out of place, you know?
Well, and Sunday's an outlier because they were playing on artificial turf, which is something the NFL oh, wait, the other game was Atlanta. Never mind.
Well, and it's a shoulder, yeah. Yeah, never mind. Never mind.
I know what you're doing, though. I'm appreciative of what you're doing.
Okay, so so.
So Me and Q and Tom Brady are overreacting. Yeah, time Forget Tom Brady. Put Tom aside, would you? Can you wait until you're out of football for five years before you start shitting on the league as it stands? Can you, can you get away with that?
Tom's been out of the league for a year and a half. Last year doesn't count. Why not? It's hard to remember. Mom was retired.
And then he only came back. Just to make sure he wanted to be done. Sure. He did not want to regret retiring.
So he came back and went through the motions. He was like, oh, yeah, fuck, I am done. Which actually I can respect. Like, I don't have a problem with that. You get one.
You get one. I actually can't believe that Tom Brady played in the NFL last year. That does not seem accurate. He played last year. Yeah.
Then, my point is even extra strong. Give it five minutes. Like Barkley, like Barkley played in the 90s. Barkley would be like, These kids don't fucking like I'll hear it from Barkley. He hasn't played since you know what?
Hey, we should tell Tom Brady the thing that all I've been, my only take on anything in the last month has been. Patience. Tom, let a season play out before you decree from the heavens. And also Paul, when I tweeted last night that that was a deeply unsatisfying football game, that was because I was very much cheering against the Eagles and because MVS dropped a touchdown. That was a very good football game until it wasn't because I was.
MVS dropped a touchdown. What was your reaction? What was your initial reaction? Laughter. Mine was laughter and glee.
Laughter for sure. Still ruining my football. And also, because again, I Unlike the many things I've gotten wrong, I knew MVS was. Why? He's been on my show, friend of show.
Jake Sternberger was too, and he's equally trash. I got nothing like, I just. MVS, I just. I think he's bad. He's bad at football.
Yeah, he's super easy. I mean, he's a great packer because he's a track star who can't catch. It makes all the sense in the world. He's really fast and that's wonderful, but that's all he is, is really fast. We got to make a list of who costs Packers a second Super Bowl.
He's up there. Oh Jesus Christ. He's up there. I put McAfee on there.
Okay. He's on my list. That's not a bad. That's suggestion. Cootie's on the list.
Shaylene Woodley? No, I liked when Rogers was dating people. Aubrey, what's his name? Marcus Aubrey, Aubrey Marcus. Oh, yeah, he fucking costs the Super Bowl.
Yeah. You know what's crazy about this is like.
Someone might interpret what you guys are saying as a joke. I definitely think. That those two guys, McAfee and are. No. They changed the mindset.
Of the QB. They repurposed his priorities. I told a guest, this has to be almost four years ago now. I said, if Rogers was married with kids and just. Normal.
And that's not a comment on. If Rogers lived like Kirk Cousins, we would have 17 Super Bowls. If Rogers lived his life coming home from practice to run an errand with his kid, going to bed with his wife at a normal time, getting off the fucking internet and not staying up until 3 a.m. DMing reporters about this, that, and the other thing, if he lived his life. Along those lines, they'd have another Super Bowl.
This is so great. Let's keep going on this. All right, yeah, this is funny. I have often thought, like Listen. To each their own.
I don't care what you do. but you rogers being almost like very very two weeks away almost 40 Right. He doesn't. This is the way he behaves is that of a single. Man, Who's forty?
If you had a bunch of other shit in your life distracting you, taking up your brain space, none of this other stuff would matter. You wouldn't be like, this is, you are an extremely, extremely wealthy. Single You know, you don't have a you do your own thing, and that's great, and that's wonderful for you. But yes, if you were just like the Kirk Cousins guy who had other things to distract his brain from needing to worry about what the headline says or what you, what the clever thing you say on McAfee is, shout out to Travis Kelsey for the his game days are actually on Tuesday. What a great comment from Travis Kelsey.
Do you guys know what I'm talking about? But yes, this is a take I have thought of, Grant, for so many years, and I've never said out loud. And it's a cowherd take, too. Like, I've heard him say this: Kevin Durant.
Okay, so like, I'm not alone. All right. Kevin Durant's the same, where you get you're older and you're single and you're rich. You don't know how to sacrifice. You don't know how to budget your time.
You don't know, because, because, and here's things that maybe a lot of arts listeners won't understand, but I can speak to obviously. When you have kids, You learn to prioritize and you learn that. What I want to do is not the most important thing today. It's about my child. It's about someone else.
It's about something else. And I it's That's an important concept in sports, but Brady got it. Again, I'm not the most important thing. Team is. The offense scoring the most important thing.
I'm thinking of two buddies that I have. And one I'm thinking of, he's got three children and they're always running around. And he works, you know, good job. And so you've got your job. And then you've got like the hours you have to get ready.
And then the hours you come home. And then, you know, when do you have like free time? You don't have time for shit. Then I have another buddy who. Graduate same class, they live in the same city.
Um and he has no kids i don't think he's in a relationship And I, I mean, he gave me a long breakdown once of how the number 33 is satanic, and how, if you really look into it, like Larry Bird was part of it also, and you can see it anywhere. And I get all these things about predictive programming and all this kind of stuff from him. And he's obviously single and has a lot of time and has a lot of time to like do that. And yeah, just time, just time. Of itself.
And I sat down on CBS Sports Radio, and people have to think I'm weird when I do this. But on Monday, I was talking about Rogers again because of these comments where he now wants, like, he feeds a reporter a report that he wants to play. Then that's news. And then two days later, he goes on McAfee and dispels the news, which is news again, which he created. He is the factory that is.
providing the medicine that is caused by the smoke That the factory makes it historical. This is what he does because he's insecure. He doesn't know who he is. I said on air: man just needs a hug. That's all he needs.
He just needs to be loved. He's confusing. He's confusing attention. With Appreciation. Yeah, appreciation.
And yeah, there's a lot. Look, there's a lot of reasons why the Packers didn't win a Super Bowl. Um drafting a quarterback. When you were that totally, there's so many reasons. We're not just anti-Rogers here, there's lots of reasons.
But there are like. There are so Rogers as a player. Is if you want to ask me 10 people that ruined. the Packers chances at a Super Bowl in the Lafleuriers. Rogers as a player.
Is not on the list. At all. It's the people. That Built the team. and the people that were in Rogers' head.
Those are the people.
So, on one hand, he's got the world's biggest collection of morons. trying to tell him what to do. And then on the other hand, he's got world's most incompetent front office. trying to build a team around him. I don't know I don't agree with the incompetent front office part.
Maybe I look the A.J. Dillon and Josiah DeGuar picks suck way more than the Jordan Love pick. You need to, we're not necessarily getting into this, right? But I know what you're saying. And I'm not trying to shit on Aaron Rodgers here.
Like, on my show on Monday night, I brought up like Rodgers is the reason that Tim Boyle is starting, right? Like, there's no reasonable way. Bart's solid comment earlier. Yeah, there's no reasonable way that the Jets' front office is doing all of this of their own volition. There's no way.
Otherwise, they're all idiots. And I don't think Joe, like, I don't know that they're the best coaches and execs in football, but they're, I'm pretty sure they're not idiots.
So I don't know. I don't, and we do need to mention because we've had all this Rogers conversation, unplanned impromptu Rogers conversation. It's been a while. You said, well, but Bart, you said like the thing about he's he creates the news and He took a just the Okay, like Rogers is a year older than me. I'm trying to put myself in the mindset of a person, a human.
who would take a video of their workout. Send that to the team. Then Either you or your agent to have some plausible deniability, reach out to Jay Glazer and say, I sent the clip and it blew their mind. Quote, very important what the quote is here. It blew their mind.
You saw the Jay Glazer report, right? Roger sends a video, and he's going to set December 2nd or 3rd or whatever it is as his. return date. That I hope, I mean, yes, I was a journalist and a reporter and all that. That can only come from one of two sources.
Like, you can't arbitrarily be, I don't know where that came from. You knew the video was sent. You have a quote prep that it blew their mind. If it would have said blew our mind, it'd be a Jets person. Think about the, right?
That video blew our mind. It didn't blow our mind. I'm not a Jets person. It blew their mind. I'm a Rodgers person.
No. You son of a bitch. Oh, this is so frustrating. And this is where I think where Bart gets so frustrating because, like, people see through this, right? Like, part of the idea.
Like, no, a lot of people don't see it. It's not that hard to figure out, man. A lot of people don't see through it, don't want to see through it. And I'm the idiot for saying it. Just enjoy it.
Okay. It's fun. It's entertaining. Roger. And I think that just blew Grant's mind by putting that connection together.
He is the third. Most talked about person in the NFL this year. Behind the Kelsey brothers. Which like this year is all about Kelsey. And Rogers, of course.
Of course. Guys This motherfucker brought up Dr. Fauci in 2023. What the fuck? Did you uh did you guys see what Cowherd said on Monday about Rogers?
He's soft. I've never heard anything Cowherd has said unless you sent it to me. He's he's planted, which, by the way, I'm gonna find an old podcast today where him and Nick Wright talk directly about the Rogers marriage thing. I will send it to you, Paul, because it's one of my I remember it very I listened to it on vacation once, so I was happy when I listened to it, and that sticks in my anyways. Um, Cowherd said on Monday that Rogers is never going to be relevant in the NFL ever again.
from from an actual competitive winning football game standpoint. And it's harsh. Um But I guess Coward has to say shit like that sometimes, but he he might be right. I don't know. You could very well be right.
I guess I'm asking you guys if you think he's right. Jesus, do you think he's right with that? Or Colin Cowherd is right that Jared Rogers is. I see why Bill keeps your mic time limited. Uh I would just say this.
If he comes back on December 3rd. And play that. Just hold on. It's physically impossible. Let's just blew their mind, Bart.
How can you? How can you? Just Hate. Medicine So much. And then, like, how does he think he's getting cured this fast?
Fucking pray? What did he spill on the sideline the previous game? What was the thing he?
Well, I didn't see that. I saw the headline. I was like, this is fucking not for me. I don't know. You know what he might have spilled?
You know what, I've tried not to spill on Tuesday.
Well, it was one of those homemade southern sodas at Tupelo Honey.
Okay, because they're so delicious. Tupelo Honey Cafe. This is downtown Milwaukee. It is right across from the public market, or at least it should be, but there's a giant fucking highway in the middle that doesn't need to be there in 794.
So tear down that shit. Uh and we'll all be happy. But It does provide a nice space shadowed. to play pickleball.
So Maybe maybe pickleball saves the spur. That Being unnecessary, Tim, post. Uh, tubellohoneycafe.com. I have a date book there, and uh, I'll I'll I'll recap it next time we speak. Very excited, myself and Tim Shea.
Now, one of the Crispy brothers. did go to Tupelo Honey. And they said that they used the Promotion, and in the tweet, they said they were the first one to use it. The promotion is. I've been saying you make a reservation, you put Bart Winkler or whatever in the reservation box, you get 20% off through November.
I believe Sir Crispy was one of the first to actually just say it to the server. Non-reservation.
So I don't want to make it look like no one's been. Using this reservation, I have many screenshots and pictures that you guys have been incredible. I know that teacher Tom has a Date planned there or a lunch plan there if he hasn't done it already. Garrett went there. Another couple went there.
So keep it up. You guys rule through the end of November, 20% off. You can book it in the thing, or I guess you can say it. But the server thought my name was Bert. That counts.
I made a reservation for. Tuesday, I put the Tim Shea show.
So hopefully that still works. We will see. But tupelohoneycafe.com, southern food, all the fixins. I will. I will put my pictures.
Unthreads. Yeah. Matt in the Falls was right. He's trying to give me the threads for two months. Everyone, so I just got a thread.
Because the admirals were like, hey, threads, it's been a while. What's up? And then Matt said, People are finally accepting they must start cultivating a new following here before X dies and they're left with Squat. He said that on the Admirals and then tagged me.
So By the way, I just realized. It was Matt in the Falls who had the NFL's bad product right now take, right? I think earlier, as I was recapping, I said Q and I, but it was Matt in the Falls who had the football take, right? Yeah, you kept talking about Q. I was like, I don't fucking know.
I'm sorry. I mixed up your. Your wonderful your wonderful uh contributors to the show. They're not Q's the one that cries when the Packers win. Yeah.
This is the it's like you, and you don't, you don't know what my topic list is, but it's like you do because what a perfect segue. Outstanding part, outstanding. What a segue. I just want to say there's a tweet that's going around that Bukowski just like Quote tweeted. New Bukowski just dropped.
Nubukowski just dropped, but it's quote tweeting. Hey, wake up. Yeah. And it's someone who's comparing Jalen Hurts to Jordan Love's seasons statistically. Everybody drafted Hurts, but one of them says MVP favorite.
Which is Jalen Hurts, who was thrown for 2,500 yards, 15 touchdowns, and nine interceptions. The other one says, quote, not the guy. 2,300 yards, 16 touchdowns, 10 interceptions. The stats are identical between love, I mean, like within a margin of error, the same. And one is not the guy, and one is.
the MVP favorite or an MVP favorite. That's fun. Can I just, I don't know if you have a question, but this just jogged my memory of something I saw last night. That deep ball to Devontae Smith that put him right inside the five-yard line. Yeah.
Oh, what a throw. A dart in the biggest moment from Jalen Hurts, who always shows up in the moment when his team needs it most. And it was a good throw. But it was underthrown. And I feel like if Jordan Love makes that throw and it's caught, there are certain people who are like, well, he underthrew it.
But he didn't lead him if he leads him, it's a touchdown. It's like it's hard to throw deep balls. And even Jalen Hurts, who's great, like threw it behind Devontae Smith. It would have been a touchdown. Hot take, Jalen Hurts under-threw him purposefully, so then he could slam his dome into the goal line and get a touchdown in the least interesting way possible.
But he then would get the stats. But it was like that was a Jordan Love underthrow. Smith came back for a great catch. That's what I thought watching the game last Monday night. I think the audience overlap between the Wisco Sports Show and the Bart Winkler Show podcast are significant, right?
I think you guys share a lot of. If we are, if this is the Winkler verse. Then Grant would be the Sony Spider-Man universe where you don't necessarily need to. Follow the other one to enjoy the other one. But it does add to the enjoyment, yes.
And there are some, you know, there's the Tom Hollands and the. Uh Toby McGuire's Mm-hmm. Andrew Garfield. And and so I'm guessing. The overlap is not as prevalent between your two shows and the midday show that Grant produces.
There's some. People keep calling my show in the evening. It's like, Bill said this today. I hated that. I'm like, well, that's not my problem.
Like, this isn't Bill's posting. Yeah, but you are there, though. You're by association. I'm not a bus gamer. If you're Michael's post-game show for two hours every night, especially because a lot of these guys are in like Bill's live stream in the comments, just like.
Duking it out with other commenters, and they tell me. But, like, I would argue, Grant, and I've if you disappear. Yeah, a lot of internet. Yeah, he has a lot of people watch his show on YouTube. I gotta put my show video somewhere.
I don't, I never have. Is he ad supported? Do you have to look at ads? I don't watch. I don't know.
Because he could be leaving a lot of money on the table. I feel like he's getting. getting he's not dumb. I feel like he's getting what he can from YouTube. I was going to say that Bill Pregame show.
This could?
Well, it does help you prep, doesn't it? Yeah, everything's prepped. Thank you guys so much, by the way. Anytime you guys need a guest or anything, it's yes. It's all just prep for your other show.
I was just going to say, Grant, though, but like. Monday's Bill Michael Show. Correct me if I'm wrong. was not exactly like, wow, Jordan Love was great. It was like, there's also an audience, and this is why I was saying, like, the overlap between your two shows is probably pretty similar.
I've I'm kind of assuming at this point after Sunday's game that most people listening right now. Recognized how good Jordan Love was on some. I mean, I got these people. I got this one guy. But, like, I'm just wondering what the sampling is here.
I got this one guy who has tweeted me memes and shit and. for years. It has never tweeted me an actual thought. And then he is all up in my shit about how Jordan Love is fucking terrible. It's like, how?
How? I look, if Jordan loves sucks, he sucks. And if he's good, he's good. I guess I would prefer that he's good so that we don't have to go through it again. He plays for our team.
That would be nice. But if he was bad, I think, I mean, I think I've done. I think I've recognized the games he's bad. There was a little video that Cheese had TV posted. And Nagler was on top of it, and people were like.
Um you guys are like Saying out the Chargers' defense. But if you look at the game against the Raiders. And if you look at the game against the Chargers, there's things that Love's doing now that he wasn't doing. He is, he had a really nice start. And then He Was shaky, and now he's had a good couple of games.
A good few games. I mean, that's all there is to say about it. And is he like. You know, we're trying to figure out because there is a contract that they have to figure out.
So there is more of a pressing issue, but. If you're trying to make him be Aaron Rodgers, that's just then you like people continue to move the goalpost on him. It's very annoying. And you're also putting aside how bad Rogers was in 2022, if you're trying to compare the two. Love in 2023, greater than sign.
Rogers in 22. Oh yeah, this Jordan love. Beats Detroit. Yeah. In Detroit last year, in November, 100%.
This Jordan Love might. I don't think that's the one. Jordan Love beats Detroit in week 18. Oh, that game too.
Okay, both Detroit games, I would argue, because the Detroit, the Packers Lions game in 2022 in Detroit. Rogers was a horrendous. And maybe oh your thumb injury. Rot love right now. is playing better than Rodgers did at the end of the season.
I think the last two weeks. I don't know if that's true of the season. Sure, the last two weeks. You give me the love you gave me Sunday, and you give me that in that Detroit game. Where I had fucking Wayne Larravey's.
Screaming at the top of his lungs in my Comforting box. That's Winkler versus Canon, by the way. That's that is a Canon event that it will forever be referenced. And I love Ray Larravey. I saw at the Milwaukee Panthers Media Day, and he held the door for me.
What a gentleman. That was nice of him. He is a gentleman. He's very stately in my interactions with him. He's very, he's a good ambassador for Packers football.
Yeah. You're listening to Packers football. All right. I think it's, yeah, let's go into this other question.
So the Packers, had they lost. To the Chargers, they did not. They would be one, two, three. They would be for sure the sixth pick. Kind of right there with the VIP.
Instead, they won. Don't say the word. There's a word that is banned on this show. D R A F T Instead, I didn't say th they had the they had the Fifth pick in some random thing. Instead, they won, and now they're a game and a half out of the eighth or of the seventh seed.
They are the eighth seed. And they're the 12th pick in this event that happens each April in the NFL. of which I will not say the D word. I just wanted to ask like I I'll tell you. If they had one They did Sunday against the Chargers.
I'm like. Yes. Making a run. They're gonna beat the lions on Thanksgiving. Let's go.
And had they lost, I would have rooted for every loss subsequently. I was ready to go either direction. Unbelievable.
However.
However, they d they won. And this is where I think you'll be surprised what my take is. And every once in a while, I'll ruin my take ahead of time by telling you what mine is. After Sunday's win. I'd love to see the Packers go on a run to end the season and make the playoffs.
I think you would both say mm-hmm to that. But here's my caveat. After Sunday's win, I'd love to see the Packers go on a run to end the regular season to make the playoffs. even with the likelihood. of an early postseason exit.
So, in other words, even if you know they're going to go on big 10-point underdogs in the playoffs. They finished 9-8. They snuck in. Let's face it, they're going to lose. That would still be Awesome and a great outcome for this season.
given how it's gone to this point. Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm.
And I will say, much to my surprise, and what completely contradicts what I thought two weeks ago. Fucking hmm. Paul doesn't have eyes raised up on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream. He doesn't often answer his own prompt. Definitely not with an F word.
But if they lose to the lines, I'm right back off. But for now, I'm in. Let's go. See, but that's you can't be that way. What made you arbitrarily say on November 19th, this is going to decide my entire outlook on the whole season?
I'm just being honest with you. I'm not saying it's right or wrong or good or bad. By the way, November 19th. Thank you. It was my half birthday, and no one said anything.
You're dangerously close to 40, yo. All right. So, so my thought. Is What the fuck was that? Also, my other thought is.
I have not like I tweeted and threaded, or I don't think I threaded, I Facebook did. That The Packers are a game and a half out of the playoffs when the Vikings lost. Yep. And I did it in sort of in fun and then The comments. Yeah.
My lord, the comments. I I'm like, I so the last couple of weeks, I watched the Rams game, I watched the Steelers game, three-fourths of it, and I watched the uh Chargers game. And I've been rooting for the Packers to win. I want to see them win. But these are it's independent of any other thought I sit down and I want the team to win.
I don't care about The thing that's happening next April. At all. I do not fucking care. There's not one part of me that cares. I'll care when it's time.
I'm not going to sit here and root. against my team 18 weeks when I like cherish these few Sundays we get. But I'm also not like. Seriously, and maybe I will a little later if it actually starts to be real. I'm not really thinking about the playoffs either.
I just want to see them win. And I want to see Jordan Love get better. And I want to see the other guys get better too. But I don't like I don't have There's no there's no like Tangible bar to me that tells me if this season was a success. based on record.
Which I just want Jordan Love to be good. But if Jordan Love plays like he did Sunday, they will win more than they will lose.
Okay, but I'm still like not thinking. Like, even at four and eight last year, Rogers was like, oh, we could fucking do it. And I was like, just sit the fuck down and leave. But you were still, because Rogers, you're still thinking. playoffs.
Got to get in the playoffs. I'm not thinking playoffs.
Well, here's my counter to that. And if we get into the playoffs, We'll probably be a seven seed. We will get. Fucking murdered by whoever we play. We will go to either Philly, San Fran, or Detroit, and we will die.
Uh oh. We just gave you the virtual thumbs up. We will die. And that's fine. Experience.
This is why I asked the question, and Grant, I'm very curious for your response. But, like, Covering the Bucks 15 years ago. And the Brandon Jennings era and all of the other stuff, like the whole Scott Skyles idea at the time, and yes, this is a, you know, whatever, cross-reference from 15 years ago, but it's like eighth seed. Even if you go in and get swept, or it's a five-game series, like the playoff experience for the young players is pivotal. I'm I'll be right here.
He'll be right back. Grant, I buy that. I'm here. He's back. I totally agree.
Okay, I totally buy the playoff experience thing.
So, yes, going into Philly or going into San Fran, but like the way that I saw Jordan Love play. Sunday. Against the Chargers makes me think that, like, if he keeps doing that. They will win. A lot of games, especially as the schedule gets kind of easier in December with some of the opponents like Carolina and Tampa Bay.
And I think just as a byproduct of love playing that way, which would be great because it would answer the Packers' quarterback question, if it's being answered. If he keeps playing like this, the question's answered. Like, we can discuss what the guy money means, but like, if he keeps playing like that, he's the guy. He's the quarterback of this team for the next handful of years, not just a year or two. And if that happens, they will win.
If they keep winning. They will make the playoffs.
However, they will still very likely lose in the first round. But mentioning like Brandon Jennings example from 15 years ago on the Bucks beat was like, I think that would be great. I think they should feel that, see that, experience that. And so I could have kind of turned that corner and like, okay, winning streak. Go in, even if you get trounced in the wild cut round.
That would be really good for all these guys to see and feel and experience. That's why I was so definitive in my mm-hmm grant. You'd love to see the Packers go on a run to end the season. Make the playoffs, even if it means the very strong likelihood of an early postseason exit.
Well, making the playoffs is always good. You always want to win more games and make the playoffs. This is a caveat, which I think you'll like to this. Like, winning games and making the playoffs is always good. That's never a bet.
You could have asked me this question in week one, in week six, week. My, my, unless, unless you can get a top three to top five pick. And I think that's the important asterisk here: is like, if you can be bad enough to suck enough to be the top five. They never were going to, though. They never were going to.
A few weeks ago, it's not going to be bad enough for a top three pick. When they lost, they lost to the Raiders and the, at the time, dead in the water Broncos. They very well could have had a top five pick. Hey, both those teams are 500. It's not just about who you play, it's when you play them, Paul.
And they caught the Raiders and the Broncos after they figured some things out. I actually think the Britons. The Raiders went on to fire their coach. Yeah. They lost to Josh McDaniel.
I'm not disagreeing with you. This is, we've done these topics all year, not just on the show, everyone does these topics. You're like, well, now we're through week five.
Now we're through the buy.
Now we've seen, what do you think now? I've thought the same fucking thing I've thought since week one. It's like, I would like to see the team win. I wanna see Jordan Love get better. And if by some, You know, Happen stance, they somehow get into the playoffs.
That'd be great, too. The problem in Paul, I think this is where this is a caveat that will be important to you. If the Packers were to somehow make the playoffs in a terrible NFC this year, that can't change their decision-making moving forward. And I think for a team like the Giants last year. They made the playoffs.
Yeah. Not flu. They earned it, right? They won those games, but they were fundamentally not a great team. Like the mistake that would.
B, is if the Packers make the playoffs because the NFC is terrible and they get some lucky bounces the next couple weeks, and then they change their evaluation of where they are in their progression as a team. Right. Like that, that can't happen. I don't think making the playoffs at the end of this year means that this Packers team was great and they need to change the calculus of how they build it moving forward. It would just, it would be a nice experience.
Yeah, I sure. But that's that's been true the whole fucking, that's been true the whole fucking season. But I know. Go ahead. No, no, it's just every week.
It's like, I just want to see Jordan Love get better and I want to see them win. Like we come back the next week, and then it's like, well, what do you think now? Is your evaluation shit? No, there's what are there, seven games left now? Yeah, but you guys are eternity.
That's so much. I think when the three of us talk about this, it feels like I'm like some significant outlier. And then I hear the people who. Call to the Bart Winkler voicemail line, and I hear other chatter about this.
Sorry, Bart, for using the word chatter. And, um, I'm not alone in this thought that like Well, you used it in a right way, though. I mean, I think that it gets. I wasn't using it to reference rumors or reports. Discourse.
People have started using the word discourse too much. We don't engage in discourse. We're a bunch of knobs on the internet. We need to chatter. We've gotten a little too heavy-handed with the use of discourse.
We're just chit-chatting. We are not basically bar type. It's like guys sitting in a bar. It's just like three guys at a bar. Yeah.
Isn't that what you always envisioned for your show? Like, I know that's groundbreaking, but I just kind of always felt like that's what a sports show should say.
Well, you don't want to take yourself too seriously. I mean, that's the key. Guys at a bar would never take themselves too seriously. It's supposed to be light-hearted. Yeah.
Yeah. I just I just know that there will be people listening who We're perfectly okay with and in fact would have preferred a couple weeks ago that A losing streak continued. Top three pick, top five pick. I'm just kidding. And if you were there, that's one thing, but now stop.
But like, but now I will accurately this time reference Q, right? Like before I was meaning to say Matt in the Falls, but you said, Bart, that Q is part of your post-game show and was like. really displeased that they want at some point if they're six and seven And then they win a game to go to seven and seven. You can't still be like, oh, draft pick. But that's what I'm saying.
The difference, though, between the win and the loss. Who do we even want? What are we tanking for? Another quarterback?
So you want to go through a whole season where your quarterback sucks just to get a different quarterback? Marvin Harrison Jr., Joe Alt, all these. Yeah. Yeah, Joe Alt. That name is fucking flying off Packer fans' tongues.
If he's the next Baktiari for 10 years, you would love that. But all I would say is, like, I don't even know where the fuck he plays, and I love college football. Notre Dame, Notre Dame, and I hate college football. I was going to say Oregon too.
Sounds like a Pac-12 guy. Joe, I don't need Joe Alt-Wright on this fucking team. Yeah. We already have him. His name's David Bakhtiari.
The reason that this. Game, the Chargers game was so important, is literally, though, it's the difference between. You would not Bart, you would not have jokingly or like you would not have put out a tweet that said We'll look at the NFC standings for the playoff race. Like, look how close the Packers are, even though they're a game and a half back, because they would be. Instead of being there, they would be instead of the 12th pick.
In the draft, they'd beat us. They cannot say that word. They moved seven spots in the order. Did any single Fucking person. The year Rogers started.
Think about the next year. Fuck draft. The next year's draft. No. Nobody was doing that then.
Can I doing it now? Can I ask you? Oh, this is annoying. They moved seven. I said this before.
We are the Green Bay Packers. I don't care if we've got Fucking Keanu Reeves at quarterback. I am never. Ever. Going to want this team to take.
Under no circumstances. Ever. We are we you can't call me entitle town And then have the same fan base be like, I want to tank. Fuck you. You guys don't deserve to fucking tank.
You've had 30 years of riches.
Okay, we need to complain about how we are, we should have more Super Bowls. And you don't know what these playoff losses are like. That's Packers. It's not. Oh, I'm sad we beat the Chow Jose.
We do not engage in tank talk. You hate where the fucking... Green Bay Packers, this is beneath us. This is Bears bullshit. Fuck off.
Stop it. Fuck off. You stop it.
Some of your, I think some people just need to hear this. Matt LeFleur's He's here next year.
So is Goody. And the way this season's trending, probably Joe Berry.
So I know there are these, there are these, these. Callers, these joiners in the Winklerverse, where it's like, I want a regime change.
Well, you're not getting one, even if they bottom out and they lose every game the rest of the year. They're not, it's going to be this regime and a lot of these same players.
So you can't. You cannot have a season that's so, you can't go 2 and 15. But if the Packers had an owner, but they don't. Yeah, they don't.
So, you need to mix in victories. You need to mix in these high points. Otherwise, the vibes get so bad, they get so sour, and you can never bring them back. Look at the ways. I thought we won with gusto.
No, you lost with gusto, which is actually a tagline that's pretty clever. Shout out to Q. That has staying power in our discourse. Hat tip from Bart. If people haven't seen, The post-game locker room thing where the fluor gave the game ball to love, and Grant's favorite player, Rashawn Gary.
Giving them the like Stop playing with him. You know, and it's like the enthusiasm toward love among the players. Watch that video. In fact. I will talk to Q and anyone else, and I will talk to myself two weeks ago.
Who was like, oh man, that kind of was a bummer that they won. And why is this YouTube's going to get flagged for how much you're mentioning Q on the internet? Ah, yes. I see what you're saying. What is his real name?
He's just cute. I'm going to call him Craig. I know his real name. I'll never say, though. Quintin, Quincy.
No, it's not. He like barely deserves to be called Q. It's a reach. There is a Q somewhere in one of his names. Keith with a Q?
Yeah, yeah, it's key. Um, it's you with a Q U I E H, please. We need to wrap up. That was my last thought, but yeah, I have a. We'll have one we'll get to next week, but we just did two topics in like an hour plus, which tells you that we very organically had a lot of fun.
I have I gotta say before we go, I enjoyed the Rogers talk. as a treat. It's fun. We're not taking it too seriously. We're not hating or holding a grudge on the guy.
It's just fun to. BS about how insane that guy can be sometimes. And it's like when you go to a concert, you want to see fucking, you want to see them play their hits. Don't you, don't you want to, don't you want to see us girls talking about Rogers? We're the three non-blondes.
We just had to sing what's going on. It's not, we had to want to sing it. We don't like it. We're sick of it.
Okay. But, but we fucking the beats sound so good and it's the best in unison. And it's the one that made us all the money.
So we got to fucking play. Why are you? It's not my fault that somehow Tim Boyle is starting for the Jets and he's coming back from an Achilles injury after like two and a half months. Don't put that shit on me. Don't you put that on us, Ricky Bobby.
Don't you put that on us, Ricky Bobby. I'm going to talk about that. And anyone should because it's wild. All right. Speaking of which, I just love that you used the non-blondes as your example of like a one-hit wonder.
Well, you guys just in 90s bands like when in fact Aqua. is going on tour is touring. And someone's going to have to sit on it. They're on Barbie Girl Alone? Yes, because of the movie and the success of the movie.
They were mad. They didn't use that song in the movie. They were mad. So, yeah, so 13. You have to sit through like 13 other Aqua songs so you can hear Barbie Girl in a Barbie World.
How much more unserious are my takes if I do backwards hat? Oh, actually, I'm being very serious. It would change. Don't, don't. Don't.
Tell me this wouldn't completely change. Everything he's saying, if he will. It's better with the snapback. There are some men who will go backwards hat with a fitted hat and they just look like this, and it's poor. It's poor.
That's better, but still bad. All right, girls. My next show will be live after the Bucks and Celtics, my fucking God. The takeway coming out of that one is already forming under both cities. and will destroy a fan base.
which one we'll find out. The Bart Winkler Show. This was fun. See you guys later. Have a great Thanksgiving.
I'm thankful for you and thankful for the show. Wow. Table, like, what are you thankful for? And you're like eight years old, and you're like. I don't want to talk in front of my family.
I'm thankful for my Nintendo. Fuck families from putting you on the spot like that. What are you guys saying before? Really quick, before we go, one thing each. Who my Nintendo.
I'm a PlayStation guy, so my answer is my PlayStation. I'm thankful that my son doesn't see me for the fraud that I am yet. Yeah. My PlayStation is right here, by the way. I'm also thankful for my.
My PlayStation. I just got it. I'm thankful that I don't have kids. Bart, how many more years left do you have before he makes that discovery? My son still looks at me with innocence and joy.
He still runs to me when I'm home instead of. This fucking asshole's back. Paul. I can't follow that. Goodbye.
Goodbye.
