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Good morning, everybody. My name is Bart Winkler. It's the edition of the show this week. Grand Phils. Paul Immig.
Yeah, you know, I've taken some time to think about it. I'm totally in on this Tommy DeVito story. I think it's super fun. Um I wish.
Okay, okay. I can't, I can't, and I, it's. Forever, I can't because it happened on a Monday night against the Packers.
So forever, I can't. Also, I thought the thing was a little weird. I thought it was weird, like. You had two New York teams that were 4-8.
Now they're both 5-8, but you had two New York teams that were 4-8. One it and both of the teams had expectations. Don't tell me the Giants didn't have expectations, they were in the divisional round last year, yeah. They extend their quarterback because they thought they were close. One team is a complete and other disaster.
Everything's bad. Hail Mary, pick sixes, Rodgers, Zach Wilson, Tim Boyles, Trevor Simeons, Robert.
Solid Colgate commercial. It's all a disaster. Everything's bad. And then the Giants, it's like. I I am like sort of Italian, and this guy is Italian too, like us.
And he likes cutlets and let's make t-shirts. And let's have the most fun we've ever had. He's like. Their SamCon Gato. What's like, who is this guy?
Why does he exist? It's so very fun. And I can't get into it, and I'll never get into it. One, and I stand by this: like, as someone who is Italian, and I got a lot of pushback from that as a pale red-bearded man, but I do identify with Italian lineage.
Someone who is Italian. I'm like, wow, this is like a caricature. But also Um It happened against us, and we helped make this. Story so Still a day later, I'm like. Where does your Italian come from?
Mama, Dad, Dad, Grandpa. Italy. Grandpa? Dad. Italy, yeah.
Italy. Well played. That my great-grandpa's name. is Arturo Brunelli. No, it's not.
My great-grandpa. For real? Yes, Arturo Brunelli. Oh, Italian as hell for sure. But then he married like.
Patty Smith. My grandma is like from. The middle of like Missouri.
Okay. And then And then my mom married whatever my dad is, where we thought we were German forever and then 'Cause of Winkler. And then we found out we were actually like Just straight English. Really? Yeah, with like a dash of Irish.
Yeah. But mostly we're just We're nothing.
So the Italian obviously disappears. As you go. But look at how much I've just talked with my hands. Ah, sure. I love pizza.
Yeah. Yeah, I must be Italian also.
Well, I grew up. I don't know if you guys know this. I grew up. Not a Ninja Turtle fan because I liked uh Guys that were cool but rude and party dudes, but because I appreciated how they honored some of the great. Italian Artist of our time.
With the Leonardos, and the Citellos, and the Raphaels, and the Michelangelos, and the Giovanni de Splinter, who's a little more under the radar. Do you remember that one portrait by Shredder? Yeah. The masterpiece, you know, the Mussolini Treader. Yeah.
I agree with you, by the way. I agree with everything, but I can't. I'm a Packer fan.
So if we say it, it's sour grapes.
So we're just kind of. No, so I will say, of course, I didn't check our text messages until after the game. The family's one thing. The agent took it to a level of. And of course, the Peter Schragers of the world are eating it up on a Tuesday morning.
This is what I said on my show on Monday afternoon. I'm like, you guys, if the Packers lose this game, this is going to be annoying as shit, and it's going to be our fault. Anything for that show to talk about something non-football. The only thing is though, like that. Mm.
I'm really I'm mad at myself for you know Four weeks ago, like I would have been like Q, right? I would have just been celebrating the loss, but I let myself come in and buy in.
So I was like, I'm a little bit mad at myself for coming back, which by the way, they still have a, what did Andy Herman say? A 52 to 54% chance of still making the playoffs.
So, like, I don't need Herman. I need to look at the standings. We're seventh place. They're also one game, one loss away from the fifth pick in the DRAFT. Oh yeah.
Um so it could go either way, but I will say That game sounded really lively. Like early on, the Packers fans were really vocal. And then, as the game went on, and Tommy DeVito was doing Tommy DeVito things, the crap. Then you add in some of the shots of the family. Like, I think the T V Show Monday Night Football last night was a really good TV show.
I'm sick. I'm thoroughly pissed that the Packers lost and that I was back in and I was like emotional with the with the every snap. But As much as like, oh god, now we gotta deal with more Tommy Cutlets. Mm-hmm. It made for an overall Good.
three plus hour television program.
So I didn't like the story per se, but it added to the... And Aikman was a star last night, saying what all of America was thinking after a weekend of frustrating officiating. Aikman's like, what the hell? We saw this in five seconds. It takes these clowns five minutes.
Like, Aikman, I had a bunny text last year. He was like, Aikman's cooking right now. It's like, this is every week, my guy. Aikman is a star. Yeah, some comments on the game itself.
And I also want to say on that point, real quick.
Sorry, Bart. No. I watch a lot of, I listen intently to announcers. I'm very. I pay a lot of attention to it more than I wish I did.
You read Barrett Sports Media, too. You are in the know. Sure. Um I saw some more like Joe Buck hates the Packers stuff last night. Is that just?
I don't get, I don't hear that. Am I again? They've called Some high-profile losses. This is all it is. It's when we lose in the playoffs, we lose on Fox.
They would have been the number one team on Fox.
Now there's a very frustrating game. Who's the announcers? Joe and Troy. They don't hate the Packers. I just, and I just don't hear Tony Bungee hates the Packers.
Tom Jackson hated the Packers. I don't think Joe and Troy hate the pair. No, I I mean I don't hear it. I don't hear it. You don't have to apologize for me.
You know who does is Steve. Do you hold it true? No, sparky Pfeiffer. Tim Shea tweeted a picture of... Me?
Uh on his news. Board at 58. I was going to bring that up. As I was on the news on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream, you can see the glare off my phone. Mike the Painter.
Said, it looks like Bart hasn't gotten any sleep in weeks. Sparky says, totally agree, two exclamation points. Maybe he should apply some makeup at home before going on TV. Ha ha ha. Yeah.
I did a podcast after a night show. I go to bed at one and change. I get up. to do a TV hit from my basement. I mean, they're lucky I put on a polo, okay?
Tim works for a direct competitor of Channel 12. I. Yeah, and he's at work watching channel. I guess it's on. I I don't know, I th I thought that was a little bit of a sticky situation there from Tim.
They're doing competitive research at all times, Grant. That's part of it. Yeah, we used to. Uh when I was in T V. Our news was on eight, and then the nineteen news is on lacrosse.
And then the old Claire News 13 don't care about. But there'd be three TVs stacked up against each other, and the news director would come out and just look at and then just watch. Have to know what they're doing. Have to fucking know what they're doing. Just do your thing, man.
Agreed. All right. Do your thing. Couple of stats on the game. Or things that are talking points.
Zach Cruz notes: the Packers held second half leads and losses. To the Falcons, Raiders, Broncos, Steelers, and now Giants. They held leads in the second half in all these games. It's the fourth time the Packers gave up a lead immediately after taking it. One show.
Giants ran for 200 yards. The Giants are allowing six sacks per game on average, none for Green Bay. Giants had one rushing touchdown all year, two on Monday. Tommy DeVito, third string QB. Ran for 71 yards on nine carries, three incompletions the entire night.
I think. I saw something that at halftime or before halftime, they realized what they could do to. Kind of exploit the Packers, and that's what it was. Once DeVito hit his first long run. The read option was there for them as much as they wanted.
And then Saquon's runs were a lot. Deeper. And if he didn't fumble that one, we're not even like in this game. This was, yeah. And then when we know they need a field goal.
Like, all right. Can I get in my first topic? Yes, yes. We know they need a field, though, and he's like. All right, ready?
All they have to do is All they have to do is Exactly, what we let them do. Two timeouts, too.
Someone did any timeouts.
Sorry, Paul. Ready? There's a reasonable explanation. For why Joe Barry Or any defensive coordinator, but in this case, there's a reasonable explanation that exists. As to why Joe Berry with A minute 40 on the clock and two timeouts for the Giants.
would schematically set up the defense the way he did. Or that there's a reasonable explanation that could possibly exist. Look, Joe Berry's gotten some credit as of late, and he is holding the teams to about 20-some points. He just lost all of that credit, Michael Cookie. Oh, yeah.
I mean, the tweet that I won't get out of my head is. That He's built to stop Patrick Mahomes. Mm-hmm. The most elite quarterback of the game, Joe Berry's defense, can figure out how to beat him. The problem is.
It also somehow allows everyone else to be. The Patrick Mahomes that they can't stop. Like Tommy DeVito, if you watch Tommy DeVito. Tommy, Patrick Mahomes' game against us was like, he couldn't figure it out. He looked bad.
He got outplayed. DeVito is running when he needs to. That ball that he had in the corner of the end zone, which I think was the turnaround point for a lot of Giants fans, I think. Oh shit. Is he it?
Is he our guy? You know, we allow that to happen. And not that Tommy DeVito doesn't have talent, not that he doesn't have skill. Didn't he have three one-yard rushing touchdowns against the Badgers seven years ago? In Illinois or something like that.
Seven years ago? I know he's 25, but was it that long ago? He played the Badgers with Illinois. Um It's just, I don't know. And then that defense, it's like.
But at some point still. At some point, still, yeah, Joe Berry. And the same thing with the Bucs. These guys You get to the pro level and you just Blindly accept what you're Coach and Coordinators say at all times, like, all right, guys, line up like this. No one's like, whoa, Joe.
We're going to give them all this yardage. Or do they not know that?
Well, no, but here's the problem, though. And I'm not saying this is necessarily like a universal bad thing. Joe Berry's up in the press box. It's not like you can go up to him on the sideline and say, Joe, what? You can't put me in that situation.
Let me do this. And again, I mean, I'm not. Bitch to LaFleur, your position coach. Uh probably, yeah. I don't know.
I understand things are going very fast. Yeah. Well, okay. If you can't do that.
So, Bart, and then Grant, I would love, obviously, for you too, but like, I want. I want you to Yeah.
Sorry to do this to you. I want you to be Joe Barry. And I want to ask you. Joe, you know, there's a lot of A lot of people wondering the The rationale and the reason behind. Playing the type of coverage and the type of defensive scheme that you did in that final minute 40.
What was your reason, Joe? Can you kind of walk us through what you were thinking? Give me like, you know, I'm trying to honestly conceptualize an answer. Like a non, yeah, I just am not good at my job answer. What is the answer?
Like, what is his in his head? I'm genuinely asking. I don't know. I don't either. There's I guess there's a couple different angles.
I don't wanna be um I don't watch All 22. Like, I don't know Scheme very well.
So, I'm trying not to judge off screenshots and off just little flashes of the television broadcast. It would seem like they were playing a little bit too far back and they had some sort of pre-bent thing going on. It would seem like. They were calling, or the defense was called as if there were 40 seconds left and the Giants had no timeouts and not a minute 20 and two. Like the clock almost isn't.
It's not part of the game plan at that point. That's so much time. That is so much time, especially with two timeouts.
So it's almost like you just need to play honest to goodness defense because the clock ain't going to help you in that situation. Um So, I don't know exactly what his scheme was. I know what it looked like, and it looked really bad. Um I also Like for all of the numbers that Tommy DeVito racked up last night I don't want to say Joe Barry's not at fault. That's not what I'm saying, but.
Rashawn Gary, no showed. And their pass rush no showed. And their defensive line put zero pressure on him. Um And he doesn't have a secondary. And he doesn't have Quay Walker, who's our leading tackler.
So, I look, I don't think Joe Barry is the world's best defensive coordinator. He's not exactly working with a whole lot right now, unless his pass rushers play awesome, which against the Chiefs and the Lions they did. Last night, it was like basically they were just like sprinting. Towards the opposing goalpost. Like that was the goal.
Tommy DeVito, they kept saying, oh, he escaped the pocket. Not really. The pocket just shifted right past him, and then he looked around and thought, shit, like everyone ran right by me. I'm just gonna tuck it and go.
So, yeah, the scheme looked bad. And I'm interested to hear what Joe Berry has to say. And obviously, we wait for the all-22 and, you know, every fucking person on Twitter to break it down and label it for us, but um I also want to have reasonable expectations for Joe Berry without a lot of his. good players and really without a secondary.
Well, they were hurt. I mean, if this is a fully healthy Packer team. Aaron Jones, Christian Watson, Quay Walker, Jair. You got to think they win that game, but still really, really banged up right now. But they're good, and I think they, I think they're good enough.
And LaFleur was kind of mad for once after a presser. Um yep. Um I don't know though. I I don't know. Like on one hand Um He doesn't get referenced enough, so I'll mention Andy Herman.
Tuesday morning, I saw, or maybe, yeah, Tuesday morning, he. Had a it was this morning. He had a tweet with just like his notes. And A freaking book. of just Mistake after mistake after mistake.
And so I see this. Poorly played game. That the Packers should have still won, and I still think the final 90 seconds of defensive coverage and calls is. Unfathomable to me. But despite all of those mistakes and all of these, not just injuries, oh, yes, you know.
Key injuries. They still on the road despite playing a really bad game.
So, like, that at the same time gives me. Optimism that they're actually A good team. Like a legitimately good team that they can, and that they can be that close on the road with all of those injuries. And still should have won. And what I like.
with a double digit. Bad. Mistakes. And some really, really, really, really costly ones like the Keyshawn Nixon fumble.
So I don't know. I don't I guess I I leave that game like in the moment Infuriated by it and also, like, wow, they were in that game, should have won that game despite all of these things. I think that's the balance for me right now and trying to determine how These final four might go. I think they're still a good team, but they're a young team and they're a really injured team at key positions and they're. working their way through how to How to play with expectations.
Have they ever, has a Jordan Love team ever played with expectations before? Like, no. Have many of these guys been on a team that was expected to win and win their fourth straight? Like, many of them, no. I don't know.
What do you guys think?
Well, first of all, I don't think we're good enough to have a trap game.
So I want to shut down that narrative just a bit. Like everyone was asking going into this game, is this a trap game? Man, we're six and six. Like, we don't get trap games. We get games where we play poorly.
Like, we get bad games. Are they due for a stinker? Yes. But is this a trap game? There's not, there's no such thing as a trap game for a six and six team.
Well, I'll disagree with you in the sense that, like, I agree with what you're saying. logically But Not to throw like the well, I was I once covered in an NFL team and I'll tell you what it's like. Put the me in media. Let's go. Yeah.
Let me do that for a second. But I would just say, players. If you're on a three-game winning streak, and you're feeling really, really good. You you d you do change. Mentality.
Mentalities change, even though, like, in the grand scheme, you'd say, guys, you're six and six. You better not. Please tell me you don't really think there's such a thing as a trap game. There shouldn't be a trap game. But I do think there's a mentality shift of like, oh yeah, like we're.
We're good. We're playing Tommy DeVito. He's won two in a row, but he wasn't. Is LaFleur mad at his team, or is he mad at himself? Like, if that's still on you.
It's probably both. Yeah. Like it's still on the floor. To make sure his team doesn't. Read the clippings and get high.
about themselves and overlook a Tommy DeVito. For sure. I I don't know. I don't know that they did overlook Tommy DeVito. I don't know for sure if that's what happened this last week.
They made every possible mistake they could have made. Yeah. And is that because they're young and they were due to make some mistakes and they had really been starting to pile up the last few weeks and we were due for some, or were they playing with. Without energy and without focus. I don't know.
I thought Matt LaFleur, for the most part, coached the fine game. He was pissed on the sideline in the second quarter because Jordan Love can hit all these open guys. And Keyshawn Nixon had an opportunity to just hold on to his fumble like three times and didn't. And on that fourth down, Jordan Love, I think if he follows Tucker Kraft, he probably gets it by an inch. And instead, he's like, no, I'm going to turn it upfield against Kayvon Thibodeau, who's unblocked.
Like they had all these plays where. It's like, hey, you can do five things and four of the things are good. And in all of these instances, the Packers did like a one thing they couldn't do. And I think Matt LaFleur at halftime was probably like, guys, what the fuck? Like, what are you doing right now?
This is in front of us. The plays are there to be made, and you guys are peeing down your leg. And I think despite Like one of the criticisms was One too many ender rounds to Jaden Reid. I think that's also like Who else does he have as a weapon? Like, you're just trying to find ways to get the ball.
Yeah. Thank you, Paul. And it's everyone's so pissed about the end run. They don't have a running game. They don't have a running game.
Well, on the two-point conversion, it's like it hadn't worked three straight times. Did you see the stat line on Reid? Yes. Bonkers like four for 38 on the ground. Ten targets, eight catches, twenty-seven yards.
He had less. He had 3.4 yards receiving. Dylan had 3.5 yards of carry rushing. Uh But especially like toward the end, they didn't even have Dantavian Wicks. You know, like Malik Heath caught a touchdown.
Samari Touré had multiple catches. It was Touré time last night. Yeah, you are down to it, man. And so, like, yeah, it kind of got redundant and silly with the end arounds and whatever with Jaden. But, like, you just, this is your only guy who can really honestly make big plays for the most part.
So, you just. You know, yeah. I say just one thing about the under rounds because everyone is making everyone was like had to get their Jaden Reed reverse joke in before bed. Like, I'm out like a Jaden Reed reverse, or like, I'm going to bed, like, just all the jokes, right?
So, Jaden Reed was trending last night. And if you went and looked at the tweets, half of them were like, Jaden Reed is a weapon, Jaden Reed is a star, get the ball to Jaden Reed. And then the other half of the tweets were like, stop giving him the ball on underound. I don't know. They don't have a running game.
They don't have Aaron Jones. And we all agree that Jaden Reed is their best playmaker last night, and Jordan Love really isn't having a great night.
So, sorry that Matt LaFleur thought he needed to get the ball in Jaden Reed's hands a little bit and give him a chance to make plays. And if one or two of those go better, I mean, they win the game and this isn't getting talked about. I don't know. I would also say, real quick, we haven't talked about A.J. Dillon in a little bit.
And here's my just thought on Dylan. I'll just. Share with you guys, but I like he's not, I don't, he's not a top 20 NFL running back. He's not a top 20 NFL running back. But I think Aaron Jones not being available for the majority of this season, I think A.J.
Dillon just has to be in there and stay in there and keep like, he's not a guy that you okay, let's go to like a bigger package and let's bring in Dylan for one or two plays. Is there anything to feel like there's something to that where like Dylan needed this? You know, this window where it's like, well, hey, if I come out, Patrick Taylor's coming in and he's okay. But like, I feel like he's starting to shine, not just because, oh, okay, he's getting his groove, but because he's not being subbed out constantly. It would make sense that a bigger player like that who plays and runs the way he does needs.
More time to beat up defenses, which He did. He he he laid some But he's still only rushing for like three and a half yards of carry. Every week is 15 for 50. And not to be able to do that. When you watch it, you're like, oh shit.
I know he didn't have 100, but did he have at least 75, 80 yards? And then you look at the box score, and it's like, Oh no, he barely ran like around the block. And not to do the all-22 thing or the pro football focused grades thing, but they're run blocking. is very, very poor. As an offensive line.
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Uh Um okay, I Have made this a solo layout. And I've always screwed this up. Hey, there's my boys on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream. All right. I heard how they had some before joining the post-game show the other night.
By the way. You did? Di would recommend. Yes. Good, good, good.
This offensive line subbing in and out. Is that good? Is that bad? I just, it was. I finally admitted, um Last night, I admitted late on the show, on the Monday show.
That I actually do not like the trenches. I'm not a trenches guy. You don't like the big uglies? Wait, wa wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
So, all those times that you've said you win in the trenches, you were lying? I was. Oh no, this is terrible. I was actually mocking. People that do believe that.
Oh, you see, I just never caught on to that all those, I just never noticed that you were mocking. There's a lot of things that I started doing as a mock that then slowly became like the thing I do. For instance, Good morning, everybody. Yeah, that shouldn't be that's a mock. Uh but here I am.
Doing it. I don't know. I don't, I don't ever, when I'm like. And I'm bad this way in basketball too. You know, people can look at the game and be like, Oh, the bucks are in this kind of zone.
I just I still I just watch the ball dude I suck I don't know shit. I only watch the ball in basketball and football. I've never like, I never I never, it never even crosses my mind to think, I wonder what starting five offensive line they have. And I look at the numbers. I don't give a shit.
And then if a guy comes out. And then someone goes in, I don't notice. I don't notice them. At all. I notice the receiver, and maybe this is the fantasy part of my brain because I notice what receiver's in there, I notice what running back's in there.
I never, ever look at the offensive line. Ever. Yeah. They are basically They're basically almost even not even human to me. Whoa.
Yeah. Wow. Yeah, they're just like, they could be lazy boys for all I care. Have you ever? Five little lazy boys.
Have you ever heard that? You don't want to see the offensive lineman because it means that you only see them when they make a mistake. You don't want to notice them. I think I mean the answer to your question is it's Because Neither Nizman nor Walker are particularly good at this point in their careers. And so you're like, I don't know, let's try this.
Thank you. A bunch of them can give you about a half a game. Thank you for doing that. It's neither nor, either, or. Thank you for that, Paul.
That's a common one that our society often gets wrong. I appreciate it. I see you, and I appreciate you. I got you back here, buddy. Do you know how you can tell what way is left and right?
Because The L. you do your hands in the L. Oh that's shit. That's what I'm teaching my son. Hmm.
For left and right. Put your hands out. Which one's the L? That's left. All right.
Is your son right-handed? Yes. Also, that's how on a boat. You know that port is the left side because four letters in port and four letters in left. What's the opposite of port side?
Starboard. Starboard. Bow to stern, baby. Didn't think I'd know that, but. Motherfucker, which one of us has worked on a boat?
Which one of us Was steering for just a brief moment when Captain Let me, the Mississippi Queen. You sailed the Mississippi Zine? I envy you. Man, take a good hard look at the motherfucking boat. Hey, take a look at me now.
Yeah. Another Phil Collins reference on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream. My friends were giving me guff for listening to Genesis a couple of weeks ago. Your friends should give you guff for listening to Genesis. Oh, fuck no, get out of here.
Shut up, Paul. Paul's musical taste. Let me enlighten the folks. I would love to hear your encapsulation of it. Yeah, if you sit down at a concert.
We never slept out at a concert, but okay. If you I'm gonna be sitting down at death cab. Are you going to Death Cabin Postal Service? Yes, and it is way more expensive than I fucking thought it was gonna be. Where is it?
Like Papster, Riverside, Miller, High Life, and May. Yeah. Sorry, keep going. I want to hear this.
So I sit down. I'm going to watch this concert. I'm going to enjoy Death Cab and Postal Service. And they're going to have music and familiar, like, you know, it's going to be that melody. What Paul likes is when they're loading their truck with all their instruments and it's just clanging and noise, that's what he likes to listen to.
Just chaotic. Noise. Yes. That's your taste in music. Great, great, great noise.
just energy. It's just fuel to Paul. Yeah. All right. What else?
What else must we cover today? Um I must. And Bart, you and I have Slightly different takes on this, I know already. But I think there are some people most of the people who are listening are going to have drastically different takes than you. And it's the Shohei Otani contract.
We must talk about it. Struct the structure. The deferral situation of the show. Hey, you've not talked about this yet. I didn't listen yet to the Tuesday morning posting.
I mean, I've talked about it a lot on CBS. But since the deferral news came out? Yes. Not on this show, really.
Okay. Let's just let's. You love, okay, let's let's set the stage. Johe Otani, seven or ten years, seven hundred million. Sixty-eight of the seventy million each year of the 10 years, 68 of the 70 is deferred into after the contract is over.
Which means he's gonna make two million dollars a year for real. Um now the my understanding is the collective bargaining There's the C B T or whatever it is um the threshold. He's going to count 46 million against that.
So do we yeah that's weird so We could defer it, you get a discount. Which makes no sense.
So luxury tax wise. They're kind of like, I saw a funny joke. They're not the LA Dodgers guys. What? They're the LA Tax Dodgers.
No, no, no, no. No, no, who wrote that one? Who wrote that one? Oh genius.
So in reality, he gets $2 million. He'll eventually have made $70 million per year, but the luxury tax implications that it's a $46 million per year hit to the Dodgers. But. Um Bart, you, I didn't expect this to be a topic on the show, so I just send it to you. I usually, if there's a topic, I don't send it to you guys.
Um, but you were like, Yeah, this is great, I love this. And all I don't think I've seen anyone else on on uh social media or elsewhere. say anything positive about why this is good because It's absurd. Like, it's silly. It's silly.
It's silly, it's foolish season. Like, this is this should not be like you shouldn't have like when they're like, oh, this, like, remember when the report first came out that he was signing with the Dodgers, like, there's going to be quote significant deferrals.
Well, this is his idea. Great. And I'm not, I mean, credit to Shohei for essentially, what Alex, I mean, I guess he's still going to get what will with inflation be a $450 million contract. And also, I saw, like, if he's not living in California. Oh, he's still getting 700 million.
Well Not in today dollars. Oh, okay. Because they were talking about, like, okay, so by the time he's in 2043, by the time he's getting his last, he can also duck out of California and maybe America and not pay taxes. That's what I was going to say.
So the other part of it is if he's not living in California, thumbs up, emoticon. Then he will get that back.
So, anyway. Bart, um, I I know how you're gonna answer this, and you're like gonna be in the 5% of people who would say this. This Shohei Otani contract situation as it relates to the deferrals and the ability to do it this way. Is good for Major League Baseball? Oh, no, I don't think it's good for baseball.
Okay. So who's it? Wh why is it why did it make you so giddy when I texted to you? Like Josh? Sure.
That's two weeks of work.
Well, basically, what he's doing, what Shoy is doing, is signing a 10-year, $20 million contract. Yeah. And then, once that ends, a 10-year $680 million contract kicks in. Which is wild. When they first said crazy deferments, I thought it'd be like, you know, how Yelich is getting paid through 49.
Yeah, I thought it'd be something like that only even even deeper. What I appreciate about this is every team should be fucking mad. Like, I didn't know we could do this, right? And it's not cheating. This is what I love.
About Sports is Trying to find ways that are cheating, that aren't cheating. Trying to find the Winning on the margins. The Dodgers are totally within their right to do this based on the rules that are set up.
So, it's not cheating. You can pay a guy however you want. You still have to pay him. You have to pay the money. It's guaranteed money.
You have to pay him the money. And this is how they're choosing to do it. What I like about this is the same thing that I like about. The Yankees trading for Juan Soto. for really a bunch of scrap.
Is Baseball fucking blows. Baseball inherently is a boring game. That has Uh a shit system.
So the worst Like it, but it is, it's capitalism. All of our other Sports are some form of socialism.
So we should love baseball the most. Because it's capitalism. That shouldn't we? I mean, this is a weird thing, but this is like, oh, the number one team gets the best, the worst team gets the best player. That's fucked up, kind of.
That is weird.
So it's weird. But in baseball, it's you have money. Yeah, you got to pay a little bit of tax and whatever. It's kind of a hindrance. But if you want to go spend 500 million, The rich had agreed to spend $330, $350 on payroll, and then Steve Cohen's like, fuck it, $500.
And then everybody got mad at him. And that was crazy. What I like about this, what I do appreciate about this. Is The system is fucked. Yes.
And it's not good. And it benefits, it fucks a lot of teams over. And so it almost makes the playoffs like. Everything I hate about the playoffs. It's almost like the playoffs have to be this way because you got a team that's going to win 110 games in the Dodgers.
So, give them a week and a half off to get cold so that your plucky little diamondbacks and these other markets can have a shot. But what I like about it. I'm If you're in a system. That is unfair. To most.
But you can exploit it. You should be taking advantage of that every way you can. I like that the Yankees are acting like the Yankees. Yeah. They've been the shitty fucking team for a decade, never flexing their nuts.
They're the Yankees, act like it. The Dodgers are in this massive market where they stole. Shohei from across town, and people are acting like he went from Pittsburgh to LA. He went from one side of LA to LA, but because the Dodgers are such a beam myth and a huge brand. It is a massive deal and they're going to just raise It's not a fair system.
It sucks as a Brewers fan that we have to do the things that we have to do to even stay competitive, and that it is a big deal when we lose our manager because he's been a part of what's kept us.
sort of competitive. But if you if you're one of these guys That are teams that can do it. Then do it.
So I appreciate that. The Yankees are acting evil, that the Dodgers have found a way, that the rich are getting richer. That's the system that they're afforded in.
So take advantage of it. From their point of view, that's what I appreciate about it. Also, I love it because it's just so ridiculous. This contract is absurd, absurd. And I think that it's funny.
By the way, Grant made a face, and I think it was for Be a Myth. Yeah. Or behemoth? I think is what Grant was waiting for when Grant's when Bart. Oh, did I say it wrong?
I don't know. Is it behemoth or is it behemoth? I would have said behind me. Please correct me when I say wrong words so I can edit it or have Tim edit. Yesterday I got a few texts from.
Matt in the falls as he was listening. He sent me a text. Arthur Eida. 'Cause apparently I say arthritis. Arthritis.
Yeah, there's yeah, it's not it's not athlete.
So I say it wrong. Then immediately I followed that up with an. experiment You do say that one really You say that was experiment? Experiment. I say experiment.
Yeah. And then he's like, please give me a New Orleans to round it out. I don't know. I'm not sure if I know the correct New Orleans. Emerald Agasi says New Orleans, and I am inclined to listen to him when he says that.
That New Orleans would have been my last play's vote for how to say it. I'm going to call it Nolans. I do know, thanks to Veep, that it is Nevada. Dude, I was just. We watched half a season of Veep on Saturday, and that's one of the best bits: Kent just jumping on to say Nevada.
It's daylight saving time. Yep. You know what? I will. By the way, if we lock some of that food down there in New Orleans, let me tell you about my friends at Tupelo Honey Cafe.
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Avocado. Oh, I said that wrong just now. I say too below honey, right? That's all that matters. It's a vodka.
Avocado. Avoc avocado. Avocado. And then on uh. And then on Christmas Eve, they do have a brunch.
So if you're making plans, tuplehoneycafe.com. Yeah, I say words wrong. Look. I say words wrong. And a part of it's the Midwestern accent.
And also part of it is Look, I got bullied into saying Falcons, okay?
So take that as a. Spin. I gave you Falcons. Yeah. I don't say Falcons, as I've been saying, for 37 years, but the last two years, I've given you Falcons.
You have, and I appreciate your effort. I cannot, I still can't change Jaguars because I don't understand, like, I don't know what it should be. Jaguars? Jaguars. Jake Wires.
Wars. Jaguars. Yes. I mean, doesn't that hurt your mouth to say it? You don't I think the reason you say Falcon Is I forget, it was one of the toys that we grew up with, but they called it the Millennium Falcon.
I think it was like one of the McDonald's toys. No, wrong. Really? I didn't do it with Star Wars. I don't do anything Star Wars.
Even as a young'un? My kid has no Star Wars toys. No Star Wars jammies. I actually make sure. 'Cause part of my family they're into Star Wars.
And I'm like, don't give him this shit. Not even some young Jedi adventures on Disney Plus? We are focused on Marvel. We are focused on Ninja Turtles.
So, what do you watch? We're focused on Mario. We're focused on He loves the Home Alone movies.
Okay. You're a big elf family though. Elf's fucking piece of shit. Grant Will Farrell had an era where It was just a little bit too much.
Okay. That's every comic that's ever had their run making movies. You could say that about everybody. We'll see. That's what I don't like.
What I don't like about Tommy DeVito is what I didn't like about. Elf. It feels like it's somebody doing a Tommy, it's somebody doing an impression of a stereotypical Italian family. And Elf was like, I'm doing an impression of a Will Farrell Christmas movie. Elf is great.
What the fuck? And also, the ending is terrible. You bring back the Christmas spirit by singing. The ending is. There's it's not Look, I like my Christmas movies to be grounded in realism.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah. Far we all know the way you spread Christmas cheer. Is singing loud. for all to hear.
I'm a Christmas with the Cranks guy, but Elf is a great movie. It's a great movie. I knew when I said part of this movie, it's a fantastic movie. And I knew he would just bite on my. Also, Christmas vacation is great.
And anyone who on in the year 2023 is like, it's never been funny. Enough. Are you going to see Chevy Chase and his screener of? Christmas vacation at in Milwaukee? Yeah.
Why? That's like because we don't need to sell tickets to fucking everything now. That's another complaint I have. I don't need to go pay money to watch the always sunny crew talk about the show they did years ago. We don't need that.
They booked the Chevy Chase Christmas vacation in Milwaukee with you in mind. Like you were like the target demo for that and you're not going.
So I don't know. We don't need it. We don't need to sell tickets to everything under the sun now. Um let me let me clear up my elf take. It is a good movie.
That I feel has been a bit overrated over the years. I thought it got instant class. I know, but in 2003 it came out. In 2004, it was like all-time greatest Christmas. Like, let it simmer.
Before we look back, like we were calling it a classic. You were such a prick. I believe they call that an instant classic, which it was and is.
Now, we can all agree on.
Well it's not only the worst Christmas movie But dare I say the worst. Piece of video that's ever been put on film. Polar Express? That's where I was going. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Reminds me a lot of the Marvel movie, and that it's all CGI. Oh, it sucks. Them fighting words. No, Christmas story. I've never seen it.
Yeah. From 1946. I wanted a meanie gun. Shut up, kid. Yeah, loser.
I don't know. Oh, It's a Wonderful Life is ass too.
Well, Miracle on Thirty Fourth Street. What do you mean? The bank's a lot of money. Yeah. By the way, is it miracle or miracle?
All I need is a miracle. Mike's in the mechanics say miracle. Nice. Another Genesis tangent. Nice, nice.
Thanks. Who's the girl in It's a Wonderful Life? What's her name in the movie? Mary. Mary.
I can do a James Stewart. That's it. Like I could do an Owen Wilson. Wow. But that's it.
I want to hear more in the in the Merry voice though. Try it. It really just circles back to Hodracourt at the end after he says a couple words. It's going to become Hodricourt. Yeah.
Tom Hodricourt, and it's a wonderful life. Ready? And just a minute, Mr. Potter. My father was no businessman.
I know. Mr. Pot M Mr Mr. Potter, why can't we have money at at Christmas? What was the bank called again?
Uh I don't care. I've only seen the movie one time actually. I don't Fucking hell. Yeah. I was like, Matt.
Mm-hmm. What about Four Christmases with Vince Vaughan? And uh All right, that's enough Christmas talk. All right. How did we get this far without saying DH?
You know what was really funny, and I this is not a direct answer. Die hard. Die hard. Did you guys see the arcade fire tweet the other day? Did I send that to you guys?
Yeah, you did. Yeah, fuck it. Fine. What who was that really though? That was the diehard cast.
That was all the guys who were taking. Where is she? Where's my wife? Yeah. The detonators.
I feel like it's also not far off that you're gonna spin into like Pashki zone. Exactly. They're all attached. This is, if you ever watch Caliando talk about his impressions, they're all just a little tweak of each other. It's like it's a little.
Mr. Potter, where's my money? Yeah. Mr. Proto, have you ever watched a game of Bucks basketball?
That's Bucks basketball. The R SNs can't afford their fees to the team. This would this is See, this is what we should sell to Christmas. The Bartwick looked Christmas. Really?
Featuring Jim Pasky and Tom Hodger Cord and the now retired. Jeff Wagner, WTMJ. It's Christmas mirror. I I listen to this. I went down to Uh Bayshore.
A mall that I quite enjoy. And they put up a tree as they've been doing every year in my town. Time in Milwaukee. And I thought nothing of it of the past, where it was the Christmas season, and I saw a Christmas tree. And I saw some signage.
And so I was inclined to ask a gentleman that was working there, employed, and I said, Excuse me, I noticed that this is called a holiday tree for so long. It's been called a Christmas tree. And I said, Do you not put the Christ in Christmas? He said, We call it a holiday tree for all inclusions. And I said, Well, as a practicing Christian, I just want a Christmas tree.
That was almost like too real to be funny. I also saw a tweet the other day. Maybe, maybe, I saw a tweet the other day that someone just tweeted. I don't know why I saw this tweet.
Someone tweeted. Uh for real though. Jesus Christ is like a top three hard name of all time. Like, it's just a great fucking name. Take religion out of it.
The guy's name was. Jesus Christ. And someone goes, oh yeah, God was in his bag. Yeah. Yeah.
I was in his bank. Oh. This is the worst podcast we've ever done. Why? But it's awesome.
I love it. Uh, Grant, which leads me to which leads me to Grant, your thoughts on Shohay's deferred. Grant Bills. Paul Immig. Jesus Christ.
Yeah. What an eight. They didn't make Paul Inig superstar or Bart, it's Jesus superstar. I don't yell grand bills when I stub my toe. Um the o the otani thing.
So there's like a million different well this is this is this is This is Uh Objectively terrible, right? Though, like for Major League Baseball, like the precedent that's setting, and like it's it's it's see, here's the thing: it's terrible for the Jimmies and Joes who support their teams. I, on Monday, I basically on my show, this is the comparison I made. My team is a hobby farm. The brewers for me is it's a hobby farm.
It's nice, I can tend to my crops. It's like, oh, look at me, I'm growing a little patch of corn, but this isn't going to make me money ever. It's just a thing that I enjoy on the side that's not serious because the Jimmies and the Joes across both the AL and the NL have no fucking shot.
Okay, now the problem is the voices of baseball, the writers and insiders, the Ken Rosenthals of the world. are writing stories that are like. But wait, this is actually great for baseball. And it's because they're a show for a league right now that's kind of awful for baseball. They think, well, super teams.
This will be what brings national interest in. Guess what? Fucking Steve in Wisconsin Rapids is not watching Sunday night baseball. Ever. He's not going to be able to do that.
That's my thing about yeah, how many times. Let's say the Dodgers are on Fox. 10 times throughout the summer. Five, six, seven times on ESPN. MLB network.
Sunday Peacock. How many times are you going to watch a Dodgers game? You're not, because if you're going to watch a game that day, it's going to be the Brewers. Mm-hmm. And then after doing that, you're not going to watch another three hours of baseball.
Fuck no.
So, this is terrible for the game. One annoying bit of pushback that I saw from Dodgers fans is like, well, Anybody could have found the loophole. Anybody could have deferred the money. We were just the team smart enough to do it. It's not about the deferral, it's about having 700 million in principal to fucking spend.
It's like.
Well, grant, anybody could have bought a house during the 2008 market crash. I was fucking 10.
So, no, I couldn't. I did not have the money to buy a house in 2000. It's not about being smart and being savvy about having the money. And I would. I would recommend that both of you and all Brewers fans go and read about the Dodgers RSN deal.
Marshand, Andrew Marchand wrote about it in the Sports Business Journal. It's free. Brett and Tosa shared it if you follow Brett.
So most RSNs. are tied in a way that allows them to fold. Regional sports networks. Regional sports networks, of course.
So if they're not getting their money back because they're not getting the subscribers and they're not getting their end out of the deal. they're allowed to collapse or go bankrupt or or or go away without the parent company suffering too much. The Dodgers Sports Network is not set up that way. It's set up through charter. Charter cannot fold.
That without going bankrupt itself.
So, that 330 million that they're giving the Dodgers every year, they could lose every single subscriber. There could be not a single house in Los Angeles that's getting it and subscribed to it, it would not matter. That money's coming in, anyways, because that's the deal that somehow the Dodgers got into.
So they have all the money in the world because of a TV contract that's terrible for the network, which I don't really care. You know, you have the Padres who are selling off good players because they're not getting checks from their carrier. because no one's subscribing. That doesn't matter for the doubters. It sucks.
It really, really, really sucks. But this is just another symptom of a problem and a disease that's been plaguing baseball for a long time. This isn't new. But this is three additional exclamation points. Yeah.
Yeah. And what's unbelievable, and I've brought this up on my show, is it's so bizarre. And and you'd have to spend a good amount of time on Twitter to really get this, but like I used to work with a broadcaster.
Now he's in Philly. He's at WIP.
So I follow him and I follow some of the WIP stuff because it's interesting. He's a buddy. And some of the discourse that Philly's fans have. It's like, would you want Mike Trout? And half the fans are like, well, I don't know, he's aging.
And it's like, I can't imagine. Or he is. Or the Dodgers, right? When I read an article that's like, they have Otani, what's next? And then I look at the replies and it's like, now Yamamoto and a Rosarena.
It's like, Jesus, H. Jesus Christ, as we were talking about. Like, if my team signs Andrew McCutcheon, I'm like, damn, we got a nice piece this offseason. He's like, we'll make it work. It's like these fucking fan bases, man.
I don't know. I can't fathom thinking that way about my team and the finances of my team. Anyway. I I like your hobby farm example. Hobby Farm.
That's what we are. And I love our hobby farm. I do too. That's what I'm very fucking worse, Paul. Is that what I'm very attached to our hobby farm?
Yeah. I have a big emotional investment in our hobby farm. Jackson Churio, by the way, gonna make more money yearly over the next 10 years in Shohio Towny.
So five times as much. Good money. I think the two things that are worth mentioning in this part of the conversation that you guys might say, yeah. I know that. Have you taught have you connected this to the Mario Lemieux situation with the penguins?
I don't even know who that is. I don't even know what a penguin, what is that? Yeah. Uh Mario Lemieux NHL great. And they tell you.
The penguins went bankrupt in the middle of his deferral payments, in the middle of his, in the middle of his. You should read it. It's really interesting. And so he became. They didn't, they were literally in bankruptcy court, and he became an owner of the Pittsburgh Penguins.
And it now, like, that was an amazing deal because I think he had $26 million. Lemieux did that. And that's how he got ownership? Yeah. They hadn't, like, I don't know how we're going to pay him.
Like, let's make him an owner. And now, like, his shares are worth like 350 million. That sounds wonderful. Of the Penguins when all he was owed was another 26 million. And I don't know if Justin Turner, Dodgers legend, Justin Turner, was.
Joking. On Twitter, X. But he said, this would be fun for whichever person owns the Dodgers in 15 years.
So. Is like, let's say the Dodgers are owned by someone else and 20 years. Yeah. Go look up Justin Turner's profile. I don't know, like, would you then pass those Payment?
Like, if you hey, we owe an employee $680 million, new owner in 10 years. I think the new owner would have to take that on. Yeah. I think that would be. Part of the debit and credit would be like, okay, well, you also have to give this a 600.
In the meantime, you, the current owner of the Dodgers. Is winning, presumably winning multiple championships and just got to sign the. One of the best players in baseball history.
So could Otani theoretically In 10 years, like move to Florida where there's no income tax, and then receive the Yes, in Japan, I think. He could. And then so like the the the it's it's a It's a Interesting, and in some cases, could be a brilliant, you know, it's like the difference. Like, you're talking about a guy who's either going to be a billionaire or a multi-billionaire.
So, let's be real about it. But he's fucking over my government. Uh Wow. He is he is costing the state of California tens upon ten hundreds of millions of dollars. He is.
He actually is. All right, the next time I'm out in California, I'm going to notice potholes and decrepit parks, shit on the streets. Yeah, and I'm going to feel like: if only there were. If only there were tax dollars to pay for this, and I'm gonna blame Shohei Otani. Read about Mario Lemieux sometime.
It's interesting. And when they go to Milwaukee, I'm going to hold up signs that say crook. Tax the meter. Tax Dodger. That's good stuff.
Show Uncle Sam the money. Yeah. Grant, how many more minutes do I have you for? I got another five minutes. All right.
The Lakers are hanging an in-season tournament banner. Ah, Christ. If the Bucs did this. You would have been embarrassed. No, aren't they doing like a small side banner that they can like put check marks on if they win?
I think it's fine. I've not seen the banner. I would just preface this by saying, I didn't know how you're doing. There's going to be like, it's like a conference championship banner at high school. Yeah, it's like we won football in 2000, then we won in 2006, and all the years are on there.
It's not a separate banner for everyone. I think it's funny. I think let me just say this because I think it's funny they assume it's going to happen again. Yeah. Well, okay, so I think though like, okay, if If the Pacers had won, And they had hung an in-season tournament banner, I think it would have been kind of like mocked a little bit, right?
Because, yeah, this is the best you're gonna do, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I think the fact that the Lakers did it. Legitimizes the end season tournament far more than just about any other, I think, vice versa. Really? I think this makes us: hey, if LeBron cared about this, if the Lakers are going to hang a banner about this, it proves that it matters.
If a lesser team had done the same thing and they got all excited about their in-season tournament win, it would have been like, okay, like, we get it. You're not a good team. You're never going to actually win an NBA title. But I think the fact that LeBron and the Lakers, like the biggest names in the NBA as a sport and as a player, cared about it and are gonna Like broadcast it, advertise it in their arena. I think is like completely legitimizes the tournament.
Forever. There's 29 arenas used in the NBA, right? Because until the Clippers get their own, there's 29. Yes. The Lakers' two biggest wins of the LeBron era didn't come in any of those arenas.
It came in the T-Mole Arena in Vegas, and it came in fucking Walt Disney World. Yeah. I mean They they they they've won Essentially, you could call this a championship. They've won two championships. In fucking tourist parks.
Yeah. It's the funniest shit ever that they were the ones to win.
So, Bart, I know you talked earlier in this episode about there are things that you initially did as a joke that became part of your shtick. And I think being an in-season tournament guy started as a shtick and then became real. But like if the Bucs had won and they were like going to have a pregame. banner raising thing like You would you would have been like, Yeah, like for like for real. This is, I'm, I want to see this, this is cool.
Paul, if the Brewers are going to hang a flag for 2020 wild card, I think the Bucs can hang a banner. for winning an inside. I'm not even criticizing it. I just think it, I just think there would have been a Significant section of I but what are you gonna do? Just win it and not acknowledge it anywhere?
Yeah. I'm with Bart. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying, I think if a lesser team than the Lakers would have done this, if it was just a. In season, like the Lakers are doing it right.
It's it's a living banner. You can add to it. Yeah. It's not like here's the banner that says fucking we won. Seven games in a row.
Some of them counted, some of them didn't. I think this leads to my last question. The in-season tournament was awesome. I thought it was funny throughout the time it was. And then, after I read all these articles, it sucked.
I did take a phone call. Yeah, I took a phone call from a guy that I kept talking about. Because he's like, look, I'm a casual sports fan. I watched the NBA on Christmas in the playoffs. This didn't resonate with me.
To me.
So, what I think it did was. If you're into the NBA in the normal times that Maybe maybe you watched Saturday night, maybe you didn't. But why I think we all think it's a success is because I said that there's 82 pizzas that we get a season. And pizza's good. We like pizza.
But it's the same pizza every night. Right.
Well, all of a sudden, instead of just the same pepperoni and cheese pizza. We got a stuffed crust pizza one day. We got a meat lover supreme. We got a crazy pizza from one of those pizza doctor type places where it's like full of MMs and sprinkles and ice cream. It's like it's just different.
It's still pizza, but it's different pizza. It's a different kind of what we were experiencing.
So NBA people that are like, Watching the games and covering the games for 82 games. Hey, this was a little different. This is great. I'm not sure. It did.
I just saw an article. It did have the outside of the playoffs. And outside of Christmas. It was the highest-rated NBA game in six years. The final was Lakers, Pacers?
Yeah, outside of Christmas and then any playoffs, highest rated game in six years.
So obviously, it got some attention, being honest. Saturday night help, but Uh I think it was more Appreciated by people that already were watching it anyway, than than bringing in but that wouldn't make sense then because it was watched by more people than whatever. If that had just been a Saturday night NBA game. That wouldn't have happened. Right, but I still think the people that were watching it are NBA people.
I don't think this was like an Olympics or a World Cup or a tennis final where you're like, oh, fuck. I mean, this isn't like my thing, but. I I love sports. I have to see this. But don't the ratings indicate otherwise?
No, I'm not saying it probably super high.
Okay. The only I want to say this. And Grant, I'm curious for your take before you jump, but. I tried to watch a non In-season tournament game the next night. And I struggled.
Because the stakes, I'm serious, because the stakes were clearly different. I'm serious. I love the game. What were you watching? What was the team?
Was this whoever it was on Sunday that I started? I'd have to go back and look at my research. Football. It's Sunday. No shit.
not that important like And I love basketball. Maybe that's part of it. Maybe that's part of it. I'm being a dick, too, but. But I mean like I do that those games When I was watching Saturday Lakers Pacers I knew I was watching something.
Again, I love the NBA, right?
So I'm not the guy that they're trying to bring in. I'm not the casual Christmas and playoffs viewer. I thought it was. Awesome. Like it just felt, it felt big, you know?
It felt big. It was fun. I got hammered during it. I was so pumped up. I got so fucking drunk.
And I was drinking rum and gin, and I was going like back to back. It was fucking actually a bad night. It was Saturday night? I didn't watch Saturday night. Uh the final.
I was huge about my bucks. We had a Christmas party, so I did not watch, unfortunately. All right, we're going to table this one for next week. Hot take Jake had a tweet that I saved. I was going to ask you guys about if the Bucs should stand Pat.
We are about to cross on Friday of this week. Chris Middleton will be trade eligible. Yeah, I got uh Middleton and Bochamp for Marcus Smart and Brandon Clark is a proposal. I will not entertain any conversation. Middle 10.
You kind of cut out there, but I think you said you will not entertain Middleton trades. Correct. Yeah, we're going to talk about Middleton because um As a shark tank shark might say about Chris Middleton. I'm out. Jesus.
Hey, follow me everywhere now at Bart Winkler. I'm not out on what Middleton did for the Bucs in the recent past. Like, do you guys need blue sky codes? No. I just signed up for Blue Sky.
And I'm on threads. I'm not yet on Spoutable. I don't know what any of those are. I don't either. I'll just look at the ads for sex toys and porn bots and.
sift through everything else on Twitter. It's fine. It's fine though. It's fine. Thank you boys.
I have to go to work. I agree. This is fun. Bye. Hi, Bart.
Bye bar. I'm gonna play voicemail from Vincent and Anaheim. I don't know if you wanna stay around for that or not. Uh sure. Anything else you want to discuss?
Just me and you? No. Why are you so out on Chris Middleton being traded? Why will you not entertain this very Obvious move. Do you think obvious?
I mean, obvious to explore Middleton. They need to be seriously exploring Chris Middleton trades. I don't think you can count on his availability. And his I just I'm not ready to Count on him being part of A serious part of the next of the championship. And I think because you don't have a lot of other pieces to move around, and you do need, I'm sorry to say, because Chris Middleton was.
An instrumental part of the Bucs championship, but I don't think the Bucs can do what they need to do this year without Alex Caruso or Marcus Smart. Chris Middleton has been a better NBA player through his career than those guys. Unquestioned to me. And I like Marcus Smart. And I think Middleton has clearly had a better career than Marcus Smart.
But like, you only have so many pieces you can. interchange And the only realistic one. Is Middleton.
So, like, if you're gonna do something, it has to be him. Like, you can make something smaller with like a Bobby Portis or a Pat Conaton, but I just don't think they're gonna do that. Um so I I would Jake, I would do your trade. I don't know if the Grizzlies would do your trade, Jake, of Marcus Martin. I think for me, maybe it's the fatigue thing.
Like, I'm just, I'm not. I'm not into being a Bucks fan. Preferred. I mean, I'm just. Like I said, I said deuces to Bucks Twitter.
Um I'm not I'm not like We're always trying to change the team. Oh, the team needs some tips.
Now we want PJ Tucker back. It's like, Jesus Christ, guys.
Well, not everyone does. All right, I'm going to play a voicemail from Vince.
Well, if you woke up Friday morning. Are you other news? You have the news, you'd be pissed. Yeah. Huh.
Okay. Middleton played 33 minutes the other night. He had Fourteen points. Wow. Middleton had forked.
Wait, oh these are Lillard stats. Shit. No, Middleton had 13 points. Oh, even eight. Lillard's going three for 17.
That's your fucking problem. It is. I mean, and they they won't win the title if Lillard goes three for seventeen.
So Carl of ET.com backslash Bart. Golf simulators, you can set them up. You can set them up where you can actually watch sports while golf simulating. But Vincent's in Anaheim, and I think he will. Uh Shohei Otani.
As an Angels fan. He actually left me two voicemails. One. Was a disaster, so he called again. Here's Vincent.
What's up, Bartman? Get the last recording I just called, man. I just called this. And uh That was uh messed up, man. I got some radio interference over here at work.
with that. But it's this is for Anaheim. You know myself, go, Pack, Go. I'm on the Packers to get this win against the Giants. It is Monday evening.
Sorry about that. you know, and continue to shock the world. Packets continue to shock the world. I don't care if they're speaking to the playoffs or get a better position on the matter. We'll see what happens though, you know what I mean?
And um, so that's first Ned, Next I wanted to say is man's a betrayal. It's betrayal. It's betrayal season man. Uh, first, you know, care counsel, he goes To the He comes and betrays the brewers. And then my, you know, show hail, Tony.
My angel franchise player. Like I said before, over here people want Anaheim. It's kind of like a mixed bag. Um, but people just hate the fact that he probably went to the Dodgers. Uh for me personally, I said get your money so I ain't gonna hate against this, but if you wanna join the enemy side, now you a punk-ass enemy now, so fuck 'em.
You know what I mean? That goes for Craig Castle, now it goes to Shawnee Otani. You know what I mean? It's cool. But now it's be harder for me to even cheer for that fuck motherfucker because he went.
to the Dodgers. But, you know, it is what it is, that seventy million a year, whatever the house differed, he's gonna get his money.
So, you know, but over here, man, Anaheim's not over, man. We just gotta get consistent. If you wanna hold rundown of the Angels, Mike Trout, you know, you gotta stay healthy. Anthony Rendone has to show up. Joe Adell has to stay consistent, you know, and then we got our rookies like Logan O'Hopi and That did decent.
So, you know, we'll see what we do, man. Damn, the angels have no chance, bro. They suck.
So we can take some of your brewer's pictures, you know? But fuck it, man. Uh disappointing but it also This is the off season of betrayal. For for me and my fan though, man, like I said, I'm an Angels fan and a Milwaukee Brewers fan and a San Francisco Giants fan.
So the Giants, this is kinda disappointing 'cause they're not making any moves.
So but we'll see what happens, man.
So he's also a Giants fan. That's Vincent. In Anaheim with a breakdown of the Angels prospects. Shohei and the Angels, or Shohei and the Dodgers, visit the Angels. I believe in sub Oh, that'll be a big thing.
And your first chance to see Shohei in a Dodgers uniform will be in South Korea, games that are held on the 20th and 21st. The MLB does this where they start some games in Asia and then come back and then play more spring training games after they've already played regular season games. And then and that's always weird. Otani is not pitching this year, right? He's not pitching this year.
Some would say they're not sure he's ever going to pitch again. Really? Some. I think that he will pitch again. And I like the deal too for the Dodgers because they will get this money back.
Oh yeah. In endorsements. Advertising. Yeah. This was a good move for them.
Of course. Uh anything else? Paul Imig? No, I don't think so. Great finish.
Mmm, strong to the finish. I'll be live again after Bucks Pacers. A rematch of the quarterfinal game. Semi-final. Semifinal.
Mm. I'll be live Wednesday night after that. And hope that you can join us. Thank you, Paul. You're welcome.
Goodbye. And Grant, also before. Bye, bye Bart. There there's the Yeah. Yeah.
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