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Good board, everybody. This is the Bar Wingler Show. The Packers. Lose to the Buccaneers. Pretty lame.

Pretty dumb. Uh Not like super excited. about it. At all. Again, I'm Bart Winkler.

It's the Bart Winkler Show. Tama Bay comes into Lambea and wins 34. Yeah. If you look at how these last few weeks have gone, it would have almost been better had the Packers maybe lost to Detroit. And then lost to Kansas City and then Beat the Giants and beat Tampa Bay because at least, like, then we're like, that makes more sense.

This doesn't make a lot of sense how things have played out these last couple of weeks. And the Packers looked really, really good, and now they're looking really, really bad again. Back in like the day with TV shows, sometimes TV shows would be. Aired out of order. Like they would make the production on them and there'd be like a storyline, but then they'd be aired out of order for whatever reason.

If they wanted the Christmas show on this night or whatever. And so sometimes you'd see like things that didn't make sense. Like there was a character there, but the character already died, or the character already left, or this couple that had broken up were like back together because they aired out of order. In time. What I'm saying is, it feels like these games belong back in October.

Back at a different part of the season and not here. We've progressed. We've gotten better. We have figured out some things. And it seems like that has not been the case as the Packers again.

lose to the uh To the Buccaneers.

So a lot coming out of this one. I think the main storyline is that Joe Berry needs to go. You know, we've talked about him a lot this year. It hasn't been great. They did do better.

The defense did do better. And then it got back to this again, out of order. There seemed to be some progress. And then. And then that kind of went away.

So I think what we're looking at here is. Joe Berry. Unless the Packers prove us wrong and continue this again, because this is probably something that should have happened last year. But let's play under the assumption, I like to say that. Let's play under the assumption that Joe Berry.

gets fired. I don't believe that will happen today. I don't believe that will happen Monday. I don't believe that will happen throughout the week. Maybe somehow it does.

I don't think that that's going to be the case. I think what the Packers are going to do is. Hang on to him, just ride it out. There's you know three games left. I think what they're going to do is.

What LaFleur is going to do is continue to have that cover. You know, he's gotten Joe Berry protected. Yeah. He's got Joe Berry protection because there are some things, you know, in this game, like. Wasn't great.

It was either. I didn't first of all I didn't like the field goal. when they went down 2720. I thought they should have gone for it. You were assuming there that you were going to get a stop, and you know that you weren't going to get a stop.

So I didn't like that. I thought Love played like he did against the Giants, where it was a rocky start and he was missing some throws, and there were a couple of guys like in the same spot again. And then. And then he got better.

So there was that. There was the use of Aaron Jones. Really strong use of Aaron Jones in the beginning of this game, and then he kind of disappeared. there was a lot of screen passes that went behind the sticks. The one-time Patrick Taylor, I think.

Two plays in a row. Two-yard reception. Yeah. For a loss.

So the whole thing was. This is not a good game. And they lost. And we could talk playoff positioning and that kind of stuff. But I think what stinks is that in the last four games, They beat the two teams they shouldn't have, and they lost to the two teams that they should have beaten.

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My legs, I did my first workout in like forever, and she. I mean, it was a very remedial workout, but my God, like I cannot walk. My thighs are killing me. But I made it down here. I just wanted to brag that I work out now one time.

But now I can say it. Nothing like going to the gym. But what's best about going to the gym is telling people you went to the gym. Absolutely. I'm proud of you, Bart, for making the commitment.

That's a good thing. It's a good thing because. One thing about exercising Bart Winkler is that. You can't out train a bad diet.

However, Um Going to the gym, you'll start making healthier choices so you don't feel like shit if you're on the stair master and that kind of thing. You'll make better dietary decisions.

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So I gotta I gotta get that number down.

Okay, well, that's good motivation. I'm glad that they have some kind of negative reinforcement, that it's not all just, but that's great. And yeah, so speaking of dietary choices, you know, par for the show. Would anybody mind if I just start eating the loudest chips available on the market? I mean, you know, why not that?

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So, what do you think about the game? It was just your assessment is 100% accurate. More of what we had been seeing in the earlier. part of the season. The only surprise is that We allowed ourselves to believe that it wouldn't happen anymore.

That was That was it. That was. Um The writing was on the wall of how this was going to end. I mean, Devondre can't, they. Tampa Bay's offense found a way to get The ball to whoever Devondre Campbell was covering.

That's the end of the story. I got some comments here on YouTube. Garrett wants to know why Packer fans always blame the defensive coordinator when the players flat out suck. Good point, yes.

Well, no, no, no. I mean, I mean, we don't have like the 85 bears, but a lot of this, like. All the Buccaneers ever needed to do was spread out wide. Spread the guys out, they've got Chris Godwin on a linebacker. There were deficiencies.

In the Packers' game plan, that the Buccaneers quickly discovered and then exploited easily. If I'm like, if Chris Godwin. Is able to continually get past Devondre Campbell on routes. Yes, I can say, boy, I wish Devondre Campbell was better at covering Chris Godwin, or I can realize Chris Godwin is. A great receiver, and Devondre Campbell is a linebacker.

And he shouldn't be covering. Him consistently. Like you think of all these slot receivers. Like there, you need a slot corner. You need a nickel corner.

You need somebody that can. Match up against him. You got the offensive lineman against the defensive lineman. You got the linebackers against the running backs. You should have like the cornerbacks and safeties against the wide receivers.

I mean, you could match up with the build of these people. A linebacker on Chris Godwin throughout the night. Is a Joe Berry problem. It's not a Devondre Campbell problem, no matter what the issue is. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what you said.

However, I think we are at the point of this season, particularly with injuries. Where When you look at the possibilities of how you can defend on the spread. When Tampa B does spread. What is the best option? I mean, we saw Eric Stokes out there a little bit today.

I wouldn't call his performance stellar. No, Jair Alexander. you know as much as i hate seeing devondre campbell out there on the slot Um Wide receiver. Where else you know at some point There is no other option. Like Norm McDonald and Hot Take Jake will say, you have your choice of shit and fucking shit.

And right now, I think Devontae Campbell, as much as I don't like seeing him out there on a wide receiver, He was the shit. That there was a fucking shit solution that Joe Berry didn't take.

So it's just a big shit sandwich, and we're all gonna have to keep taking bites of it until the season is over and the organization. Does something else. That's all there is to it. And I'm going to go to a live nativity in a few minutes, but it was great seeing your face, Bart Winkler. And I did want to throw in a bit there.

I know you like bits, and you know, I did my best. I'm not good at stuff. Hey, Sean O'Connell, great seeing you. All right, Merry Christmas if I don't see you. Merry Christmas, buddy.

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Just go to indeed.com slash bluewire right now and support our show by saying you heard about Indeed on this podcast. Indeed.com slash blue wire terms and conditions apply. Need to hire, you need indeed. Um, one thing I want to say about LaFleur, I'll bring in Hot Take Jake, and I think Tack is here somewhere, so I'll bring him in when he's ready. I got a Gray screen on him.

I saw him. I think he was plunging a toilet, which I'm not sure if that was a bit or if just that's his thing that he's doing today, because this is always everybody's second option. When Matt LaFleur got hired, it seemed like Matt LaFleur got hired. And it was like the last. There was no other choices.

They went through everything. Here's their last interview. He got hired. And it feels like they did the same thing with Joe Berry. And They knew each other from different circles, whatever.

This was a bad hire from the start. They need to fire him. I don't think they are going to again this week, but I do feel like that will happen. It has to. It has to now before the end of the season, whether they or after the end of the year, whether they turn it around.

Or not. You don't think Joe Berry gets fired at all, Jake? Boom. Why?

Well, first, I'd like to start off by bringing up a young man that comes on this show who was. Such an incredible take a few weeks back. And he said This team does whatever. is the opposite of what you want them to do.

So I was all in on Just losing for the sake. of many many reasons And then they go on this run, they play their best football against two tough teams. And I'm like, okay. The standing show it. You guys got me.

I'm all the way back in. And then we get two weeks of this. And I learned a lesson, and that's. I know I'm always right, so why would I question myself? Um People are going to talk about Joe Berry and he's.

awful. maybe the worst coordinator in the league. And when you consider his track record, that he's never had success. maybe one of the worst coordinators of all time. But To me, it's he was on a team that went 0-16.

Right. To me, it's like If you have a pit bull. Or I shouldn't say pit bull because that's not right to sing them out. But if you have a dog, And it keeps biting kids. You can't be mad at the dog.

The dog is doing what the dog knows. Be mad at the parents. Matt LaFleur. Is Joe Barry's dad in all of this? he is as culpable for this as anyone because Everybody has seen this.

All we have is shit to look at for the last few years with him as defense coordinator. And LaFleur is loyalty for the it's it's loyalty for the sake of loyalty. And to me, If he can look at that and be like, no, we're going to stick with him. That tells me he is not an NFL head coach. He doesn't have the balls.

He's too emotional. Or he's. Just too loyal to somebody that is active. Actively hurting his team every single week.

So I don't care about fire Joe Barry, fire Matt LaFleur. He's not the guy.

Well, what'll happen here is Barry's going to get fired in the offseason, and then LaFleur is going to get fired after next season. Why do we think he's going to get fired? I don't know. Maybe you won't get fired. Was that a was that a whoopee cushion?

No, that was me in my lips trying to I pursed my lips. About the Joe Berry offseason firing. He should be fired tomorrow. But he won't be. But he, but I get it.

I get it. But he should be. I mean, like, this was as bad as you know, when we watched the Chargers the other night and everyone knew you had to fire Brandon Staley. This is the same thing, he's gotta go. He's gotta go.

And there's a lot of people in the comments, and I'll continue to get to some of these, but there's a lot of people in the comments that. are really Trying to focus the Joe Berry discussion and put it back on the players. And Like the players are not as bad as what you saw today, they are being put in bad situations. Is this an all-pro defense? No, but to even to like to even have any part of you, and I'm sorry if you've been saying this, but.

But if you're in the comments or if you're thinking, if there's any part of you that is thinking, if you're listening to this, wherever, and you're thinking, gosh, they're being a little hard on Joe Berry, like, then what is wrong with you? He is bad. He is atrocious. And the Bucs could use... Tack and I'll get to you.

The Bucks could use like. or the Packers could use the Bucs situation. Why isn't anybody going to LaFleur and being like, hey, do this differently, like the Bucs did to Griffin? Be like, hey, this guy fucking sucks. Stop putting us in these positions.

And then TAC disappeared. Later, TAC. No, I wanted. I'm glad you brought that up, Bart, because I did see a lot of bitchery all against the players, but to me, It's like You're not putting these guys in a position to make winning plays. They draft nothing but athletes and aggressive guys that are fast and strong.

And then you watch the scheme, and it's like, Unless you're one of the three or four guys that rush the quarterback, you are coached to like backpedal and just stand there. It makes no sense. There's no aggression. There are a lot of coordinators that could come in, and with this defense, if you look at this defense fully healthy on paper, there's a lot of coordinators that would come in here and have this as a top 10 defense without problem. This is, I mean, I thought, you know, I'd log on and we'd have a shit on Joe Berry session for anyone to be talking about how the players, I just, I don't understand it.

I don't. I don't get it. I'm really. Kind of fascinated at it. Tom says, 452 total yards.

Is that enough to settle this coaching staff? Can't say it's just Barry because LeFleur is allowing it to happen. Jake, to your point. LaFour last week then was like saying some negative things in the press conferences about Joe Berry. But again, he's the one that hired him.

So it's not like. Like, you're the one that hired him. This is your problem. Don't try to talk through the media and say you don't like some of these things. This is your guy, it's an extension of.

Of you, it's your decision. Tack before you vanished. What did you have to say?

Sorry. Yeah, I mean, I didn't hear your opening. monologue but like the whole Like, Joe, it was terrible. The whole Preston Smith dropping back into coverage thing against Chris Godwin. Like, what the fuck are we doing?

Chris Godwin was open every single play. He could have had 42 receptions for 300 yards. You know, like, it was pathetic. And I don't even care who is our defensive coordinator tomorrow, but it should not be Joe Berry. Like It was so bad.

Today was so bad. And like, I've been a Joe Berry apologist for all year, probably last year too. But, like, this was so bad. This is not a good team. They have Baker Mayfield throwing the ball.

Like, granted, he played okay. Sure. They had a decent running game, but like. Man, it's pathetic. Um I don't even, I don't know.

where we go from here but i don't care where we go i think i'm back on like team tank Like at this point. Oh, it's too late for that. There's no point. No, it's not. No, it's not.

They are not voting for time. No, no, no, no. No, I will get too mad. Don't even. We're not debating between pick 13 and 18 today.

I will get too fucking mad. You're wrong. No, no, no, no, no. I'm going to kick you off. If you say another word about it, I'm kicking you off.

Please don't. I'm not doing fucking tank. I'm not doing tank. I'm not doing Taylor. We got the Carolina Panthers next week.

Well, fine. What about losing Dusto? Can we do that? I'm not doing lose with gusto. That I'm not a fan of either for Q.

Let me read Stallis Tom's three points. Since Tim's not here for his shakeaways.

Sorry I got mad, but I don't do it. Here's Stalus Tom's shakeaways. I'm going to do it. Dallas Tom says, I'm not looking forward to Brights Young's career game next week. He also says the difference between Berry and Todd Holt is like bologna and filet.

And John Runyon should be working an office job. Yeah. Those are the stylus time takeaways. Mm-hmm. Austin's here.

Austin, what's up with you? We got Hot Take Jake Tag and Austin. We're not doing this tank bullshit. I can tell you that right now. No, we're winning out, baby.

We're going on a run. And then what? Are we there? What, nine and eight, you can make the playoffs still. I'll look at the playoff picture in a minute.

The Browns. Have executed somewhat of a comeback on the Chicago Bears, who we also need to worry about.

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And Jake is a Coke Zero. I have nothing today. I have no. Beverage of choice. Um Austin, your thoughts on the game?

Speak, I have to grab something. All right. Looked terrible, Jake. I can see why you would. Want them to lose out, but I don't get what that would do good for us going into next season.

I don't think that would that would at all benefit us. At least. Getting to the playoffs or even missing it by one game. might be better for the team than. Because we're going to keep a lot of these people out there.

I just want to get in the playoffs and have them experience that. Yeah. And if they get their asses waxed, well, okay, so if they miss it by one game, the next year they come in with maybe a little bit more motivation, and then maybe your Joe Berry gets fired. Who knows? But.

We're not doing that in the middle of the season. Such a stretch. Here's what I um and you know. I just want to make a quick point about the whole losing thing. Everybody Like wants to denigrate people.

I said don't.

Well, no, I just people don't understand it. They want to denigrate people that are like, why would you say gang? What does it matter? Draft status. It's not even about that.

If they lose. We might see changes, and they need changes. And I'm not talking about Joe Berry. They need a new staff. That's where I'm at.

I'm on the hill. I will die on this hill. No, I agree. I've talked about it. LaFleur in the last four weeks has been fine, and he's got a shield now.

It's Joe Berry.

Well, let me ask you this, since you think they won't fire him. Does that mean that the Packers, as an organization, have no balls? Because the Bucs fired a guy two seasons removed from a championship. and a guy that's dealt with major injuries in the playoffs that year. Wuetenhölser got fired because they held them to a standard.

If Green Bay loses out, how do you not fire the guy? I think part of the firing thing is also. I think Murphy's contract is up at the end of this year, right? Or is it the end of next year?

Okay, so we've got one more year.

Okay, so I can see why we wouldn't fire somebody. Right now, because maybe somebody's going to come in and have an opinion. Is your water just running the whole time?

Well, it was running for a little bit. Yeah, I'm trying to heat it up. I'm making it. You're the fucking wet bandits? Yeah, I actually we are you robbing that house right now?

This is my home. Um I'm not robbing or flooding my own home. No. That's mid-wet bandits. I just think.

I just think, I mean, Joe Berry's got to go, whatever. I'm down to give Matt LaFleur another chance because I think he's okay. And Bart, you've come around a mat la floor. Don't Don't play that card, right? Or were you playing that card?

I don't know. I don't think while I was very upset about a lot of things that Matt LaFleur did. I don't think the performance of this team. Leads for Matt LaFleur to be fired. I think the most fireable thing Matt LaFleur is doing right now is not firing Joe Berry.

Agreed. Um Yeah, I think, yeah, he's got to go. I mean, love played okay. He had some decent passes. Our offense didn't play terrible, I guess.

I don't really know what Rick says, Love had a 74% completion rate. Two touchdowns, no picks, and you think he started out like the Giants game. He was near perfect today. Early on, there were a couple throws. I don't think the two receivers being in the same place was his fault, but The fourth down into the end zone, he was nowhere close.

Nope.

So I'm just pointing that out. Overall, I think Jordan loves our guy. I think I'm. I think he's our guy.

So I'm just pointing out that. It didn't start as good as it finished, I guess. Yeah, I mean This box team is so beatable. I mean It's just disappointing. I was really hoping for a Like, win out of today, like, back in contention.

Like, we're in the wild card spot. The Vikings lost. That's great. And now we have. We're losing the tiebreaker to...

What? Um Oh, look at all this. Yeah, we're down from Atlanta, so who absolutely stinks. Yeah, they just lost the Carolina. Jake R says maybe Salah will get canned so he can work with his buddy LaFleur next year.

I would not like that. I don't want Brandon Staley here. I don't want Robert Salah here. I don't want Bill Belichick here if anybody's thinking that that's even a possibility. That'll never happen.

Paul says, I don't care if we lose to Carolina, just beat Minnesota. I'll be in U.S. Bank on New Year's Eve. And don't want to bring in 2024 with cackling Vikings in my ear. I would think, and I know the Packers are a draw, but if they kick the Chiefs off a Monday night, they can certainly kick the Packers off of a Sunday night.

I think that game's gonna get flexed out. New Year's Eve, the Packers are supposed to play at 7:20. The Dolphins and the Ravens have a noon game. I don't know how that's not. The game.

I mean, the whole point of flexing is so you can get that kind of game. In prime time. Even Bengals and Chiefs would be a better. Game if CBS like needs or needs to protect that game, I'm thinking that we're gonna get flexed out. of New Year's Eve night.

But we'll see what happens. I hope so. I hope so too. I don't want to I don't want I don't want that. All right, I actually got to drop out, guys.

My wife and two children are about to. Oh, the people are coming home that you're robbing? They went to oh, yes, I have to dip out the back door. The man with the shovel is about to hit you over the head. Oh, old man Marley.

In 1958, he took out half the block. That's true. That's true. But yeah, my wife and children are about to come home and you know, I don't want them to participate in the Bar Winkler show, so Why would anyone? Thank you for your service.

Give my regards to the family. Will do, Austin, Jake. Bart, we'll see you guys soon. Feels our buddy. Bye guys.

See you tech. Uh all right. And then some people are bringing up also the Giants Packers did get the Baker Mayfield a few times, five sacks. Baker today, 22 of 28, 381 and 4 touchdowns. I believe it was, he's got a perfect passer rating, also.

I believe it will be unbelievable. The second highest yardage total he's ever had, but a perfect passer rating. And then, of course, We lost to the Giants, and the Giants. did absolutely nothing. That's why everybody rushed their Tommy DeVito stories and that stupid agent who.

I'm just not into it. I am just not. They got their asses kicked today. Giants, Tommy DeVito was 20-34, sacked seven times.

So we couldn't sack him. The the saints got to him seven so is that Right.

So is that on Joe Berry then or or our players that we couldn't get to. Get to DeVito. I mean, got to Baker. I don't know. Everyone's complaining.

We couldn't figure out the read option. Because they were doing that to death on us. Look, when you have a defense that fucking sits back there, like I don't know. I mean, we're going to be talking in circles. This defense is terrible.

The defense is bad. Yeah. And I think that there's players that are good. And they're not being put in the right position, situation, or whatever. I would like, and I know there's a lot of backups, and I know that Jaire is, you know, milk carton and all this kind of stuff, but.

This is a better The talent on the defense, we've invested so much into it. Like, I don't understand how Goody's not irate. How is he looking at this and being like, why do I keep spending all this capital on these guys if we're going to give up? 40 points of the Buccaneers. 34 points to the Buccaneers.

This Buccaneers team. I don't even know how they were six and seven. They play like a four and nine team. I have no idea. Looked great against us.

I think Tom says Sala Belichick or Jim Leonard. I don't think Jim Leonard's coming here. Leonard's got off for. He ain't coming here. They offered him once.

Ryan, $2 to the Tim Shea fund. He says, stop playing 10 yards off. Uh God. Amanda is driving home from the game with her husband listening in. seeing what I look like more handsome than I pictured.

Oh, husband is a big fan. Husband and wife like me? Hm. Yeah. You don't have it.

Just gloss over it, Park. Press on. New Year's Eve, we're going to have a soft swing. Yeah. What else do we got?

Opinionated Lab is with Hot Take Jake 100%. Um Ben is praying for no tank talk. Oh, I shut Jake down. Hey, if they lose to Carolina, are you going to change your stance on that? If they lose the Carolina, I'm going to convert to.

A Cowboys fan full time. Lisa, if I want any of these players or think they're good enough to be in the playoffs. I don't know if I want any of these players. Or think they're good enough to be in the playoffs. I don't know what that meaning is.

What? Too many white claws today for Lisa. I think they're good enough to be in the playoffs. Let's talk about some of these players, shall we? The Packers today, again, Jordan Love.

29 to 39. That's a better completion percentage than normal. Two touchdowns. 111 rating. Not bad.

Aaron Jones, some 40 yards on the first drive, and then what, 10 yards the rest of the way? Very, again, just baffling how multiple coaching staffs have used this guy now. Kenyon Drake made an appearance and almost fumbled. Dantavian Wicks, big game for him, six and 97. A lot of great yards after the catch.

Some people throwing around wide receiver one his way. Kraft and Reed both got in the end zone. Good games from them. Congrats to Bull Melton for his first career. Catch Couple of sacks from Kenny Clark.

I mean We had five sacks. We had a strip fumble. Yeah the fuck Just a random game. But we still gave up. Still gave up 37.

Everything about that game fucking sucked. That was rough to watch. Um, Jake, did you ask what happens if they lose to uh Carolina? Yeah, are you guys gonna be on the tank bandwagon? No.

I can't do it.

So there's literally nothing? All right. Let me interrupt. I'm watching the Bears and Browns. Did you guys see the end of this game?

Nah, T V's in the other room. The Bears did not have enough time. to get into field goal range.

So Justin Fields threw it into the end zone. It got knocked around. and fell into the lap. of Darnell Mooney Who is on the floor of the end zone, and it bounces in and off of his chest. and is intercepted.

So the Bears nearly won on a Hail Mary. Oh my God. Unbelievable.

So the Browns with Joe Flacco. Win again. The NFL sucks this year. Sure. All right, here's Lisa.

I don't know if I want any of these players or coaches thinking they are good enough for the playoffs. Oh, okay. Experience it to what? The benefits of the fans? I'd rather have them get in.

I'd rather have him get in and lose and go through the whole thing than not get in. I would just, I would rather have that.

Now, it will suck to watch if they get their ass kicked.

Well, let me ask you this. Hypothetically, okay, you can. There's a couple scenarios here, but these are the two we're playing with. They get in. by the skin of their teeth and get their faces kicked in.

Or they lose out and they get an entire new coaching staff. What's your pick? I don't want to lose out. Yeah, I don't want to lose out. Hello.

Where'd he he dropped off? Who, Jake? Yeah. I don't want to lose to Carolina. I don't want to lose three more.

I don't want to lose any more. I don't ever want to lose, except for last year on Christmas. I did. Yeah, which that was a questionable take on you, but I'm going to let that one slide. Big run.

Amen. What's up, guys? How are the bets going today? I'm taking a bath on DraftKings. I uh Yeah, I I I played some Daily Fantasy as well and I lost, but, um I did have Tommy Cutlettz over 31 yards rushing.

He ended up with 36. And I had uh The back white for Rashad White for Tampa going over 71. And uh he hit that so I'm doing all right. There you go. I played Taysom Hill in a guillotine league and he Disappeared.

Didn't he throw a touchdown? Nope.

He had one carry for one yard and one catch for four yards. Oh, so shouldn't fly up.

Well, my team, I don't even know how I'm still alive. Apparently, Matt LaFleur was asked in the press conference: this is from Sean Pat. He said, Matt LaFleur said, now is not the time for a defensive coordinator change. Of course he did. Yeah, they are not firing Joe Berry this week.

Now is not the time.

Now is not the time.

But January 8th will be the time. I wish you would have said that. Like, no, we're not firing Joe Berry this week, but. Um he should Put his house up for sale. Shut up.

Is what he should do. They'll get rid of them at the end of this season. But Yeah. There's nothing good, nothing will change defensively. If you fire him this week, I mean.

Baker Mayfield completed 20 of 24 passes against zone coverage for. 361 yards and three touchdowns. Mayfield threw a TD pass to all four levels of the field. For the third time in his career, the most by any quarterback since 2016. Yeah.

Baker Mayfield. Wow. Baker Mayfield. Becomes the first visiting quarterback. Ever.

Ever. Since Lambeau Field was built. To have a perfect passer rating. Wow. Wow.

And I like Mayfield, I'm not like. I don't know, I don't think Mayfield's bad. This year he's been playing not great. He was the number one pick. I thought he was QB1 coming out of that draft.

probably wrong. But he like he is a starting quarterback. He is a he is a like 19 or 20, 21. You're okay if you need to start Baker Mayfield for a little bit. Yeah, okay.

Uh this was I mean this was him. Taking what we were giving them. He had a good game. He's a good quarterback. He just.

I don't know. Here's Tony in Texas. Austin, big round, Tony in Texas. What a panel.

Well, Tony, Tony. Hey, Bart, you have inspired me. I am at the gym right now throwing some weight around. I am proud of you, sir. I'm glad you're going to start your 2024 in good style.

Joe Berry might not be doing the same. Bardy, he is what he is. You know, Jake wants Matt LaFleur fired. This is the difference between the Bucs and the Packers, because I don't think Jake quite understands the NFL. Jake, the Packers have the youngest roster in the league.

If you're developing a quarterback from the ground up, I was sitting with some Chiefs fan Bart watching a game today. They're like, man, we want your receiving cores. They love our receivers, the Chiefs fans.

So to say that Matt LaFleur should get fired, no, it's a young team. Joe Berry, yes, he needs a go. Does anyone have any replacements for Joe Berry? I would love to hear it. You know, Mike McCarthy was able to get Dan Quinn.

Know from the scrap heat and get him in there. What will Matt LaFleur do next? Is he gonna get his buddy, Robert Stala? I don't know, but you gotta have a guy to replace the guy.

So, who is that guy? Who are you gonna replace Joe Berry with? I wanna know. Tell me, panel, tell me who are we gonna replace Joe Berry with? I mean, just like Vermont for the guys on staff, I don't care.

I mean, Oh, somebody's got Al Harris. How about an Al Harris party? Let's go, number three, Al Harris. Fuck if we could get out here and let him coach. Greg Rumkey.

Hey, look at that. Look at that handsome guy. Look at. Look at that guy. Greg Wayne.

Barty, Jimmy Leonard. Anyone want Jimmy Leonard? He doesn't want it. Greg Winkler says, We didn't get the baker because we pressure with four guys. Why do we not pressure the opponent's QB?

This is a. You guys know him as a soccer coach. Greg coached. I believe the ninth grade Woodworth Wildcats to an undefeated season. I want to say 1993.

I don't have the year exactly right. But it was quite the year, oh, I remember it well. Oh, I would love to break a lot of brand. Grant wants Jake to remember that it's December 17th. There's no tank bandwagon.

So again, Jake, I don't think is. Coming at that from picks anymore. He's coming at from he wants complete change. I don't like if we lose the next three games, Matt LaFour is not getting fired. I'm very.

Close to the fire. I don't think he won't. He's not going to get fired. He was the winningest head coach in NFL history for the first three years. You're not going to fire the guy.

He's developed a quarterback from the ground up. You got to let them develop these receivers. The thing about Matt LaFleur, if you want to have a knock on him, is he only focuses on the offense. He had to bring in Spisatia, a special teams guru, former head coach.

Now he's got to do something with the defense. And I don't know who that would be. I would like a Jim Leonard or Nal Harris, a couple of names, but this is the difference. You got to stop. Like, Jim Leonard's not stop with it.

It's not happening.

Well, give me some names, guys. You guys want him gone? Give me some names. No, no, no. This is I didn't say he was getting fired this week.

No, no, we're not. I don't need to know every hot shot defensive coordination. To say Joe Barry should be fired. I don't know. I don't know who.

I'll do research, I guess. I don't know, but this is the Jason Kidd thing. The house is burning. You fire him first, get out of the house, find a new place to live after that. This can't happen any longer.

It cannot happen anymore. Yeah, and you're, you know, McCarthy stuck with Dom Capers throughout the years, but Dom Capers at least had a track history, right? There's no track history of Barry. He's been bad. Bad and bad and worse.

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I did get the avocado. Toast. It was still early in the morning. I wanted breakfast. It was very good.

Uh and I didn't want like I didn't want to I didn't want, I want, I got what I wanted.

Well, you know, you gotta get be a Timmy Shea and get the the waffle and chicken. Like, like, you know, Bart was probably paying for that, right? Didn't probably get the brew pack abs. Says he tweeted that he'd rather have Wade Phillips than Joe Berry, and Wade Phillips liked the tweet. Wait for the friend of show, by the way.

We had Wade. Yeah, isn't he like 80 years old? Yeah, Wade's not Wade's not defensive. Hey, I saw those old Euler uniforms today. It remind me of Bum Phillips.

Yeah. Yeah, did they lose? They were lost too. Oh, I didn't see what happened. They lost on a fifth.

I think they rode. You rivaled the San Francisco Creamsicles as the best. I know you're Mr. Anti-Chicago, but aren't we tied with the Bears right now for the same record? Are we both six?

No, the Bears lost today. oh they lost they lost their brownies okay Yep. All right. So here is the playoff picture that many are asking for. The 49ers clinched already.

The Cowboys have clinched. They didn't even play today. They are in. My Dallas Cowboys are in the playoffs. Hey, a lot of people were tweeting about me.

I tweeted Mike Silver or something. That everybody roots for the Niners and then I don't know. I had Cal Niners fans in my shit all weekend. When I think of Bart Winkler, I think of Italians and I think of the state of Texas. Hey, everything's a little bigger here, right?

And how did that guy do it? Did he get shot? They lost, right? They got their ass kicked. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. BMC for life, by the way. That's just for one person. Ben says, I'd never want to hear Bart say my Dallas Cowboys again.

How are my Cowboys doing against the Bills? I'm pumped to watch that game. I'm punk. All right. The Lions.

Are the NFC North soon to be winners? And the Buccaneers right now have the NFC South as the four seed. The five seeds of the Eagles are 10 and 3. The Vikings lost hilariously. And they are the sixth seed.

And now the Saints, by virtue of the Packers' loss. We have allowed the Saints who beat the Giants to be the seventh seed. We've got to keep an eye on the Rams. Against Washington. The Seahawks Monday night, maybe against Jalen Hurts, maybe not.

The Falcons losing to Carolina is funny, but they do have the tiebreaker on us.

So we right now are the 11th seed, one game ahead of the Giants and the Bears. We have Carolina coming up. Did you see any of that Carolina game? I know it was raining, but there was. No one there.

And I mean no one there. I mean like There was less than 2,000 people in the stand.

So, if any Packer fans want to hang out on Christmas Eve in Charlotte, There are going to be tickets. available. And then we have who we have: the Bears and the Vikings. We can finish nine and eight. Sure.

So, what does 9-8 look like for Wildcard? Would we get there if we're 9-8? Or who do we all got to keep an eye on to lose then? You said we're 11. We need the Saints.

To start losing, they have the Rams, Buccaneers, and Falcons. Jesus. We're not getting in. Playoff dreams dead. We're out.

All right, we'll still go nine and eight, though. I don't care what anyone says. Giants and Niners. Ooh, Ryan, to the Tim Shea fund. I'd take Al Harris.

The reason why Jim Leonard didn't take the job was he thought he could get the Wisconsin job. Packers should tank for a higher pick. What? No!

Well, he paid 10 bucks, so he can say whatever the fuck he wants. Yeah, well, that is a point about Jim Leonard. He was employed at the time he turned on the Packer job, and now he's a consultant, which is basically unemployed.

So Hey, your boy. Your boy knows that Jim Leonard's got some job offers. It's some very prestigious job offers, okay? Who tell? Man, I've said what I've said.

Is that what I'm saying? Yeah, I think, but there's a gravity to Wisconsin, to stay in Wisconsin, I think. For Jim Leonard. If Jim Leonard's gonna get hired as a DC, then you might as well just like, he's gonna wanna be the coach, though.

Well That could be possible. Although, probably not. There's no way that Matt LaFleur is going anywhere. When he's still got Jordan Love, they're like married together with all of this. You're absolutely correct, Austin.

You're right. He's developed Jordan Love. He's not going anywhere. You're right. Yeah, thank you, Tony.

So the top inferences The top defensive coordinators in the league are the Browns, the Ravens, and the Cowboys, believe it or not, by yardage. And by scoring, it's the Ravens and the 49ers. Everything comes down to right now. When is Joe Berry getting fired? I don't care what.

LaFleur says, like, they are going to move on. They absolutely have to. And if they don't, like, I do think some of the players should be like, we're not playing for this fucking guy no more. Have they gotten to that point already? I don't know.

The Bucks got mad at their coach and they were 12 and 5. Hey, Bart, back to your dad's point about rushing four guys only. I don't think they trust the defensive backs. That's why. Um It's a good take.

Well, it's also, yeah, it's a bunch of young guys.

Well, that I mean what are you gonna do?

So then so then you're just gonna let linebackers cover the slot receiver all day?

Well, they're just hoping they fuck up in the red zone, and they didn't fuck up very often in the red zone this game, did they? No, and we were letting like The phrase non-playable characters. We were letting those guys like who who the fuck Scored a touchdown today. Kleef. Yeah.

Air was not a name. And I know I'm Bart Winkler saying this, but Koke is seven letters put together. It's like a word. The Koke are the seven letters you get in Scrabble, and you're like, fuck, I can't make any words out of this.

Sounds like the next country star, Cole Keith. I guess you can make kite. Yeah, whatever. And then David Moore. David Moore.

Well, and Godwin got too, right? Was did Godwin get to? Goblin had one. No, he didn't even score. Rex could have sworn he did.

Okay, whatever. Don't listen to me. Rashad White Evans scored.

Well Godwin, though, was 10 for a buck fifteen, and we know Godwin's good, but the last six games, he like. Had a total of For that many catches, I don't know. Fucking desire. I think Godwin was a 10 for a buck 55. How do you have 155 receiving yards and not score a touchdown?

That might be an NFL record. Ryan says, can LaFour get a good defensive coordinator? He couldn't last time. He's so close to the hot seat if he's not there already.

Okay. Maybe we should do that thing where we have a like a We hire like a firm to hire a guy for us. Yeah. Why don't we just why don't we do this? Why don't we just Promote like You know how the Packers give out High School Coach of the Week Award?

Just let that guy run the defense for a week. Just don't have a defensive coordinator. I don't know. Let them go out there and do whatever the hell they want. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Let's just let them play ball. Yeah, it's backyard it. And they look they look so it looked it was just such a hard two weeks of football to watch after let's do a contest Hey, Austin, I got to get your opinion on this. What do you think about Jair? Is this guy being a clown?

Is he really hurt? What do you think, Austin? Ah, man.

Well, sometimes he is a clown, but I think that's like part of him. I I know that my looks at him is that guy doesn't want to tackle, he doesn't want to get physical, he probably is hurt. Um And it's just, you know, if he wants to try to pick off balls, that's all he goes for. I don't know. I don't I'm good with him being done.

He cannot play the rest of the year. We can get rid of him. It's fine with me here. He doesn't play anyway. I think he's probably hurt.

And speaking of injury. Like Aaron Jones. Um I wonder if that MCL acted up on him in the second half, and that's why he. Wasn't as involved because in the first half, he was. Pretty involved, and they were do Looking pretty good with the run.

What do you think about that, Tony?

Well, yeah, I'm with you on that. And then, you know, all those years, Bart, we've complained about Aaron Jones not getting enough carries and saving him and saving him.

Well, they saved him. And he couldn't handle the load. And then Austin and Big Ron, you get Kenyon Drake in there. Who looks like you and I carrying the ball? Holy shit, that was awful, that one run.

Yeah, you got bench for that near fumble. Yeah. As well as should have. Yeah. Well, I'm going to watch the rest of these games.

I'll pop on after the Bucs. Bucks post game. All right, yeah. Rockets. Hey, I tell you what, this in-season tournament, which I was not a fan of, I think it did kind of awaken the beasts with the Bucs, Bart.

The Pacers pissed the Bucs off. Yeah, they're a team now. They're cohesive.

Okay, that's all you got?

Okay. Talk about it on the Bucks Postgame show. This is why we have the privilege of being on this show. I look forward to listening to you, Bart, on CVS Radio and your Bucks Postgame. I appreciate it.

No, wait. Who was the Bucs player who elbowed the Pacers' GM in the ribs? Does anyone know? Box plate. I think that was a fake.

I think that was him giving some BS. That was the coach at the press conference. He said the GM got elbowed in the ribs. Yeah, I think that was some BS. You think so?

Yeah, I think that was just them trying to Be like, well, it wasn't all us. Oh, okay. Let's get out of here. I'm loving Bobby Portis right now, though. I'm loving what I'm seeing out of Bobby Portis right now.

He's got the team fired up. And Giannis' kids on the sideline, that got me excited too. I'm all about the Bucs right now, too. All right, Q jumped in very late. Awful take do you have?

I'm just surprised everyone's not super excited about the team that won three games in a row a month ago. Q Do you like the Packers? I love the Packers. I just, I don't understand why people are okay with mediocrity. Like I just don't get it.

So, like the fact that we're in Q, tell me good three good teams in the NFL right now that are Super Bowl favorites. What are you talking about, Tony? Yeah, tell me who's good. We're gonna hold this is never a Super Bowl year. Yeah.

I'm watching the end of these games. That I mean I I'm not doing the same like. Conversation we've had every week. I'm just saying it's eight and nine. That's the ceiling and the floor for this team is eight and nine.

Well then what's wrong with that?

Well I mean I don't see anything wrong with it. I just, I also don't think we should bring LaFleur back just because we're bringing Jordan Love back. Like I don't I think there's been plenty of quarterbacks that have a second coach. I've just seen enough of Matt LaFleur, and I don't think. I'm just living in reality, man.

I can want what I want. Joe Berry, what's up, Pat? Joe Berry is getting fired. At the end of the season, I believe.

So What am I? What is this? This is you guys are pissing me off. I'm here's here's my state on it. State media put.

Politiberal Bart. What do you want me to do? You want me to come on here and say, fire Matt LaFleur today? LaFleur. When is Mark Murphy's contract done?

2025? 2025. You know what? And I don't give a conversations without talking about Mark fucking Murphy. I think He's the president of the organization.

That's how it works.

So he you're telling me that he's just gonna His last season with the Packers, he's going to actually have like a lame duck coach in Matt LaFleur. That's exactly what he's going to do. That's not what. His predecessor did. Mark Murphy would be the lame duck part.

I think that's what Q meant. Yeah, I'm saying he's gonna want, if we have a losing season this year, if we don't make the playoffs, he's not gonna sit on his hands and let the organization that he's been running for the past two decades. Like he wants to be part of the decision-making process that puts the team in a good position going forward. Jake says Bart doesn't like when he's wrong and when he's proven wrong. I don't even know what I'm right or wrong about.

I'm on your side, Bart. These guys are just NBA guys. It's a microwave society, these guys. I don't know what you are telling me. I think you're an attention for these seasons.

What This was a season where it's going pretty much like we thought. I mean, there's been some ups and downs, and some wins we didn't expect, and some losses we didn't expect, but Jordan Love's getting better. The receivers are getting better. The defensive coordinator is bad. Nothing about any of this is that surprising.

It's not new. Yeah, it's not shocking. This is what we thought it would be. Um and and and we I don't know Whatever, man. I mean, it's gotten so these conversations have gotten every bucks game, every bucks game, every bucks game, win or loss.

Who can we fire? Who can we train? Free Packers game, win or loss. Who can we fire? Who can we trade?

How about watch a game, talk about what happened in the game, and then move on?

Well why's every why's everything gotta be fucking like Let's have a huge tatonic shift of organization. I don't think I've I'm Like, I'm not saying that after everyone. This is mid. Mid as hell. Mid.

Yes. It's the first year, like 20, 2008. Rogers was 6-10. Were we talking about firing McCarthy? Were we talking like this is the same shit?

It's a first year with a new offense. You're talking about. And we got to figure out the defense because that's the problem. They're NDA guys. They're NDA guys.

There's no patience. Nobody. Everybody knows what is happening, but nobody, like. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. It's very odd. I mean, you keep saying you don't know, but then you're not letting me talk.

So, because I don't like what you're saying.

Well, I'm not denying anything you're saying. I'm just saying, in like the cycle of a team. We're better off losing right now than winning because we have that. But what good does that do? You, you got, I'm trying to explain it, but you guys, I'm just gonna go.

I'm not calling out. All right, I won't talk. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Q.

Sorry, Q. Look, Packers lost. Oh, he delivered. Yeah, Q. I didn't let Q speak.

He said he's not calling after Bucks either. He's very mad at me. I don't give what good losing does. What does that bring into your locker room? It's good to for fans, fine if that's what you want.

To change. Austin, would you rather be a Carolina Panther fan right now or a Green Bay Packer fan? Oh, Green Bay Packer fan all fucking day. Exactly. Yeah, I don't get what good comes from losing.

These are NBA guys. These Q and Jake are NBA guys trying to talk about football. That's not the way this world works. Q, if you want to come back in, I will take myself away from the screen. I'll mute myself.

Yeah, I won't stick it out as long as you want, but if you're not coming back in, then I'm going to go. No, I agree with Austin, man. There's a lot of optimism with the Packers because they have the youngest team in the NFL and there's a lot of salary cap coming off the the cap. Right. Ron, you're the stock market guy.

Wouldn't you buy stock in the Packers right now? Long term? I absolutely would, man. I also buy stock in Penn National Gaming, ticker P E N N. Take a look at that one.

If you want a stock pick. Oh, with their ESPN deal. Yeah, the ESPN deal, their market share in December went up from the online market share. In November, it went up from 10% to 27%.

So that'll hit their quarterly report next quarter. When they report that, the stock will go way up.

So take a look at that one. It's at $25 a share. We got some insider trading going on here. No, I just wrote that down. I just wrote that down.

That's all mosaic method, public knowledge, man. Plus. Insider trading would be like if I worked at Penn and I was giving you. I got all the stock I need right here in my Green Bay Packers. There you go.

I'm an owner too, baby, right there. I got the only piece of stock I need. How does that mean? All right. How's that bitcoin treating you, that crypto?

Well, I got out of that a long time ago. I made a thousand bucks. Crypto was back up to like 46,000 Bitcoin. It's been there. Yeah.

All right. Yeah, we're gonna do it. Once we get to Crypto, I'm done, boys. Love you guys. We kicked Q got, you know, Q can't be afraid, Q.

Stay around, man. Have your take. Good show, everyone.

Well done. It's a hell of a show, man. Emotions bringing out the best out of Packer Nation.

Okay, we don't want Bucks play at seven o'clock Jersey time. Oh, Sixth Central? Wow. Yeah. Alright, I'm gonna watch the Cowboy game.

Uh have fun tonight, guys. Our cowboys. Yeah. Goodbye for now. Goodbye for now.

The Bucs get a win. And that is a very familiar thing that we are saying. The Bucks The Bucs got another win. Wow, lo and behold. The Bucks got another win.

And to piggyback off some of what we talked about. In the uh Packers. discussion Earlier on Sunday, the uh The name of the game sometimes might be Patience. The name of the game sometimes might be Let's See How Things Play Out for a Little Bit. And I think there's a lot of people that wanted Adrian Griffin fired.

And I would like to ask you to admit that you. We're impatient. that you were reacting from a place of Well, I'm not really sure what you are reacting out of. But it was weird. The Bucs beat the Chicago Bulls.

November 13th. By a score of 118 to 109. And that is when there was an article posted to Brew Hoop. A long time blog. A long time important part of the Bucks online uh stratosphere.

That That said, uh Adrian Griffin needs to be fired, and mind you, this came after a victory. Since then. The box And that was after a win, again, like I mentioned. Since then, the Bucks beat. The Raptors, Hornets, Mavs, and Wizards.

They then lost to the Celtics a game that was, you know, kind of a. Kind of sloppy. Bucks came back and. And they nearly won.

So they lost the game. Then they beat Washington, Portland, Miami, lost to Chicago overtime. That game sucked. Beat the Hawks, beat the Knicks, lost to the Pacers in the in-season tournament. Beat the Bulls, Indiana, and Detroit.

So, not a murderer's row schedule. But consistent wins. And Houston tonight, beating Houston. Consistent wins. and scoring a lot of points.

The Bucks have been putting up just a ton of points. I mean, I can't. I can't tell you how many times. I look at this. The score, and we go into halftime.

And the Bucs already have some 70 points. The best offensive ratings in NBA history. The nets in 2020. Had a net rating, and again, I'm not even sure how these are calculated, but I'll use it for reference. The best offensive rating in NBA history was the Nets when they had Harden, KD, Kyrie.

It was the Kings last year at 119. And over the last 15 games, outside of tonight, the Bucs rating was 124.3.

So, what that says is the Bucs are on a historic run. Offensively. Where they are just dominating and playing very Well, they are on a historic run there. They put up 128 tonight. They had 146 against the Pistons, 140, 133, 119, 146, 132.

So they're playing very well. I've got some comments here that we will go through. I also want to bring back to the show Tony in Texas. Hey, That was a good win. Back-to-back games against a gritty Rockets team that is a really good team that's had big wins.

And that coach is a hell of a coach with the way they were playing Giannis today. I thought it was really smart by the Rockets, but the Bucks are showing me something, man. They're gutting these wins out. I mentioned on the previous YouTube show that I think that that in-season playoff, that Pacers matchup, has really got this team to rally together and play harder. I thought today they showed a lot of grit, and it's a good win, man.

And also to the show, Ben L. who looks very festive. And I believe You've been anti-Griffin, haven't you? No. No, I'm anti-left floor.

Oh yeah, fuck that guy.

Okay, I knew it was one of them. What'd you think about the game tonight, Ben, or just the Bucks in general these last few nights? I tweeted at you. I'll repeat the tweet. I think the bucks New defense is their offense.

You know, over 70 points the last four games in the first half. I mean, they had 81 against the Pistons. I mean, it's the Pistons, but. I mean, they're putting themselves in a position to win the game before the game is even halfway over, so You can't complain about that. No, some people will, though.

Is it bad? Like, if a good offense. Is there defense? Is that it's it's different. You know, it's not like we're not gonna have.

Three guys all NBA first team defense or whatever we were aspiring to, but. I don't give a shit. I mean, if they're putting up 140 points, you're not going to outscore. This team got a tweet from Mike the Painter. He says, This was a nice win against the Young.

Tough and well-coached Rockets team with Giannis breaking another record, becoming the all-time Bucs leader in rebounds. And I've got some fun stats on that.

So stick around. I will be reading some fun stats there. Um Yeah, Ben, I think, you know, where they're at. That Pacers win, Tony, we've talked about this. That Pacers win, or the loss rather, first loss may have like, you know, sparked some things.

And I think Dane was talking after about how, you know, these. We're with each other. I mean, this is this is our thing. And I don't know. I just think that this is a team that.

As they're constructed, I'll just go back to this. As they're constructed. This is what we thought we'd be getting.

Now it got a little closer at the end, but. This is what we thought we'd be getting.

They're going to put up a shitload of points. They're really hard to stop. They've got a lot of different weapons. When you start to write off Chris Middleton, he is a monster fourth. I saw someone on Twitter say, That they should just not play Middleton until the fourth, and he can be like our closer and just be fresh for 12 minutes and just nail down shots.

Well, Bart, I mean, that's actually not a crazy. I fucking love that idea. Yeah. Not a crazy takeaway. I don't know if you remember Sidney Moncrief at the end.

It kind of reminds me of Sydney the last couple of years in Milwaukee. You know, he was still a good player, serviceable, but the knee, you could just see it's tough to watch, Chris. You know, he's laboring through it, and he was really good, but you could tell the man's in pain. And he's not the same player athletically. Never was a great athlete, but the lateral movement's tough.

The jumping's tough, but with Chris, but man, he had some vintage Chris Middleton shots today. It looked like 2020, 21 all over. And they need that guy if they're going to make a run in the playoffs this year. Could you imagine if an NBA team actually did that? Like, they're like, they're just really Chris, he just sat there and you just see him, and he's just ready, and he's like hanging out.

And then maybe he just doesn't even come out until halftime. And then he drops out of the locker room. Yeah, they call into the pen. It's like Josh Hader, yeah. Josh Shader was a starter at one time, and he couldn't start, so they put him in the bullpen.

The nights, the nights that we're getting, like if we're losing in the fourth quarter, and it's like, okay, we're not going to win this game, he just gets a night off. Hey, but I will say, a big key to this team, and you can say Griffin is making this move, is Andre Jackson Jr. The defensive intent and how many loose balls, you know, I've been critical bar to the Bucks and just NBA regular season in general. Like, I'll hear your buddy Graham Bill say that's the NBA. That's the way things are.

Well, you know, it doesn't have to be that way. You can't actually show effort and grit. And Andre Jackson Jr. is showing that right now. And how many tip balls and rebounds did the Bucs get this last game just because of him?

Well, he played 36 minutes tonight. Nine points. Yeah, I heard that. That's, I think, the thing that I was the most surprised at because he got the start the other night. When there were guys hurt, and he played 26 minutes against the Pistons, but 36 minutes in this one starting.

And not not one of these like, I always say it's like. Uh senior High school, there's a senior on the team. His family's been very supportive of the program.

So they start him. He plays for two minutes and they don't play the rest of the game, but he always starts. Yeah, it starts, but you don't play the rest of the game. Like, sometimes. Teams kind of do that.

Um, not the case here. He came back in. Had uh Well, he found out again. He had that big hustle play when Giannis decided to take a three for some reason, and then he ran it down, and Ajax got it and forced the. Second possession for the Bucs, and I think we scored on it actually.

Huge play. Yeah, I think Dames scored in that one. But, you know, eventually he's going to have to develop some kind of three-point shot if he wants to be a viable option offense. But I that's a good draft pick by Horst right there. That guy is going to be a contributor.

Lillard with 37 minutes and 39 points. Always nice when you can outpace that. This is the kind of night that you think you'd get from him: 12 to 13 from the line, 11 to 19, 5 from 8, from 3. Giannis at 26. I'll talk about the rebounding in a minute.

He had 17. Middleton with 20. A lot of those coming in the fourth quarter. Lopez with 18. Bobby with 11 off the bench.

We got a Young Bucks fan there in the crowd, I hear. Is that your kid, Ben, or Tony? Did you have a surprise? Oh, you guys are hearing that? Yeah, that actually kind of funny.

Quick story. I was listening to the post game on the the Packers post game with my kids and my son decided to take his first steps while I was listening to the post game. Really?

So he's going to take his second steps on the Bucks post-game, Ben? Is that what we're looking at? He's running around already, so he might be taking jumpers for all I know.

So no matter what. happens with you or me or anything. You always remember his first steps were during a Bart Winkler show post game? I'll yeah, maybe. I don't know.

I don't think so. But then he just was a completely different. Did you record it? Did you record it? I tried really hard to send it to my wife who was at work.

But I got him a couple of times after that. Yeah. Yeah, we got our kids. I think I like it, it was happening, and then like.

Okay. Yeah, that's exactly that's exactly what it was like. And of course, he stopped right as I got the camera working.

Well, then did he keep going? Did he like, was it? This is a first steps post-game show now. Did he keep going, or was it like, did he stop? And because my kid, it was just, he went around the table and it was just that, he did that for 20 minutes.

Oh, really? No, he went like five and then just was like, sat down.

Well, that's cool. Yeah. Good, good moment. Thank you. But yeah, I'll mute.

Hold on. Yeah. That's good, man. He can't be any worse than Devondre Campbell in coverage there. You're a little guy.

No, probably better than Kway at the goal line, too. Quick Packer update, they still have not fired Joe Berry. Um the Rams won. Which hurts us. The Cowboys, my Cowboys lost, got smoked.

Oof. Jeez. Road, what a bunch of frauds my Cowboys are. Yeah, when's the last big road win the Cowboys have had? Like Super Bowl in Tempe, Arizona against the Steelers.

Exactly. They never went on the road. 95. Eliza says, Giannis had a shit game tonight. While absolutely getting swarmed in the paint, still came away with a respectable contribution.

Yeah. Yeah, what was Giannis tonight from the rain? 50% shooting, and that's a really good point. His free throw shooting wasn't good either today, but you know, well, he was bleeding also. Yeah, and The Rockets coach, the former Celtics coach, what's his name?

What's his name again, Bart? I forgot. Tells his name. He may Udoka. A Duke.

Yeah, a Dupa, whatever his name is. Damn good coach. Damn good coach. I can't pronounce his name. He's a damn good coach.

He got it. He got his ass ejected. And I would have started the stream a little earlier, but I was waiting to see what happened with the game ball. But yeah, Giannis, that's the best part about Giannis, you can watch him and be like, Yeah, this isn't just, it's just not the best Giannis game. And then it's like.

Oh, 26 and 17. Oh, okay. The records that he broke in terms of the Bucs records, he is now the all-time leading rebounder. According to Lori Nicol, and she says this is from the Bucs. Giannis is now the franchise leader in points.

Rebounds, assist, blocks, triple doubles, games, minutes, field goals made, and three free throws made. He is the most. Points, rebounds, and assist. On a team history, joining one of four players to lead a franchise in all three of those categories. Did you guys see the tweet?

Do you want to guess? Yeah. You don't want to guess? I don't want to guess. Tell me it.

LeBron with the Cavs, KG with the Timberwolves, and Jordan with the Bulls. Hey, let me ask you this: Would it be unheard of to build a statue in front of Pfizer right now while he's playing? Would you be okay at that? They can do they, yeah, do whatever you want. I think people would accept that.

Well, a statue is like That like Jersey retirement, Wall of Honor, it's all great. A statue is a whole nother level of like peak. United Center, right? With the Jordan statue. Yeah, and you know you're gonna build one.

Yeah, let's do it while he's playing.

So just fucking do it now. Exactly. I'm glad you're behind me. You know, they have one build it where. The Bradley Center was and build it like you know, the St.

Louis arch where you can like go in it. That little you go in these little tiny elevators, you're like, but build build something that we can, or the Statue of Liberty. Let us. Climb in it. Make it very high.

Make it a part of the skyline. Make it 40 stories high. I agree. Googie Moogie. Do you still hear the background noise?

Louder than before. Yeah. Really?

I'm not leaving you, Bart. I'm coming back. Oh, damn. Really, you hear the background noise? Yes.

Ah shoot.

Well, why don't you throw it? I'm not going to stay on that long with the Bucs.

So, if you got any final points and then.

Well, I wanted to. I couldn't be on for the Packers, so I was hoping to. throw a couple of things out there for the Packers. Oh, yeah, Stason Packer stuff. Um Yeah, I I'm not saying Matliflor should be fired.

At three and six, I think that's a fireable offense. Six and six, he built his reputation back up. If he loses out. It's unfortunate, but I think he will get fired. I think he deserves a second chance next season, but Joe Barry can't come back, right?

Joe Berry cannot come back. LaFleur in his presser was like: now is not the time. And then he was talking about how. Yeah, there's all these things are just not getting better. It's like I I I think he's trying to protect his guy or at least get to the end of the season.

But there's a small part of me that thinks. He might, Mike LaFleur just might not be able to connect the dots. That'd be bad. It's a very small part. But I I do still stand by the fact that the play calling is erratic.

and running Jones five times in a row on the first drive and then Not five more times the rest of the game is terrible. Having eight reverses in one game and then not running a single reverse the following game is terrible.

Well, did you want more Kenyon Drake? Is that what you're looking for? No. OHA DYLON. Yeah.

Yeah, I guess having, wouldn't that be the time to run the reverses when you don't have AJ Dillon, right? I just don't understand. The logic, like Well, obviously, they're setting up the play for the next play. If you're talking about that third and one play, which play are you talking about with Jones? Because Jones, I thought Jones.

Let's face it, this guy is not a linchpin running back. No, I agree. You're right. I mean, he's not. The middle point idea I had earlier.

The middleton idea I had. Maybe that's what we should do with Jones. Just have a good idea.

Well, Dylan, too, though, because Dylan gets it going. He gets, you know, the guys are worn down, and then you got to tackle that 240. Quadzilla, so Um But I thought the play calling was okay today. I got no issue with that. But you got to, I mean, the difference was our defense was god-awful.

And they didn't score in the red zone like they needed to. They needed to keep up with the Buccaneers. They didn't. Think about that statement you just said. They needed to keep up with the Buccaneers.

That's terrible. And they they made Baker look like Tom Brady. Better than Brady. I mean, I'm not gonna hate on the goat or Sorry, uh Ryan Horvat, but Whatever. Perfect quarterback rating at home for the first time ever at Lampos out.

I heard Bart. That's correct. My lips to your ears. yeah all right i'm gonna get back to the box if yeah let's get back to the box all right I'm watching. Eliza.

You all absolutely minimize Middleton and it's gross. You don't notice the little things he does that aren't recorded on the stat sheet. For example, communication and utilization. No, I was just throwing off an idea that I had seen. Um I there's there's been no man.

In this city. That has advocated for Middleton more than me. Yeah, you're right. I mean, I was fighting people on that first contract when he signed for four for 40. I said, guys.

The cab's going up. This is a great deal. No, 10 million. Like for some reason, when I was with Chuck and Mike. Their ten the ten the ten million dollar threshold was like Fuck you, you suck.

You need to be MVP. They were like real weird about 10 million bucks.

So, no, that Middleton thing was just for fun. I've always been pro Middleton. I'll go five wide here. Hot take Jake is back for more. And Tak is back for more.

I didn't I didn't watch the game at all. But I totally agree with Tony. You got to put like the Rio de Janeiro, Giannis. statue up on a hill. Like he's got like that big Jesus you want.

Uh-huh. Yep, yep, yep. Yeah, I agree. Like, like a statue of honesty. Like a Kanye West album cover?

Yes, but Giannis, up on the hill, like maybe Giannis should be. Should Giannis be at the port?

So that when when uh When immigrants are coming to Wisconsin. Through the Port of Milwaukee, they see Like people used to see labor, like my great-grandfather, Artilio Brinelli. Used to see. The immigrants are from Illinois. Yeah, also they fly now.

Not everyone is by boat.

However, like right by, I mean, they take the Lewis and Clark St. Lawrence Seaway. Or seminary, isn't that school? And then they fly through the Great Lakes. And then and then they get in.

So I'm thinking, like, actually, right by his restaurant, they should just build it on top of that restaurant, that Greek restaurant. Um just a huge fucking statue. Like Errol. 250 feet tall. But then there should be, there should be, he should be dunking, and then like across town.

Like in West Dallas or some shit, should be another statue of Middleton throwing up a lob.

Well, it should be Drew throwing up the lob. Yeah, but fuck him, he left. Not our fault. Or not, and then, like by the airport, leaving town, there should be a giant statue of Lauren Holliday writing an Instagram post. That would be tight.

That makes a lot of sense. Jake, any thoughts from you, sir? Yeah. All right. Jake, while the value is high.

I wanted to talk about the Bucks game, but I forgot what I was going to say. Oh, thank you. Middleton traded now that his value is at an all-time high, right? I will never stop with Middleton trade, so. You can complain all you want.

That's not happening. It inju before the injuries though, the guy was a top 20 player. Yeah, um when available. But that's the big if. The b the b the most important ability is availability.

So I said 20 player, Tony. That's crazy. In the league? I think so. I think he's in that category.

Yeah. So you think at one point we had two top 20 guys. He was like, we have Dame and Giannis. He was like, yeah, sure, but Middleton never qualified. Middleton was like, he was an all-star.

He was top 25-ish. Yeah, he's like a Paul George light. He ain't top 20 now. We're talking 20, though. We're saying top 20, and he's like.

18, 19, 20. Right now. 2019. No, no, back in 21. From 2019 to 2020.

He was a top 20 player, yes. That's my opinion. I wanted to give Giannis. There's been a time in Chris Middleton's career where he has been a top 20 player. I don't know when it was or how long it was for.

For, but there has been a time. For like a week, yeah, for game, yeah, a couple games. I agree with that, Jake. Again, I don't know, I don't know when, how long. But there's been a time.

Did you see one of the ringer? The ringer had their top 100. Giannis was at four currently, which is bullshit. Damon is 16. Brooke is 62.

Middleton's currently 74, according to. The Ringer. Yeah, Yeah. Like the Johnny Knoxville movie, The Ringer. Yeah, how did that get made?

I just saw a John Mulaney commercial. And I know you did a John Mulaney imitation, didn't you? Look at me. I'm on a commercial. Whoever thought I'd be in an advertisement selling you wares and goods?

That's Olivia Munn's husband, I believe, or something. Huge. Says Tony is such a fake poser, trashes Giannis all the time, then says this: What a joke.

Well it's He does stupid shit. That is true. He does do stupid things. He has a great PR team. I got to give him props on that for getting his kids on the bench after the whole hissy fit.

Um Good move. Q said this. Oh, Q. Q's got no uh street cred with me. Hey, you guys did Q wrong earlier.

Oh. I didn't know. I was in. He could have said what he wanted. That was the most Fox News-ass shit I've ever seen.

No, that was like the show Big Brother. He got voted out. I didn't kick him off. Kicked him out. Head of household kicked him out.

I think he just got sick of wasting his breath. That's all it was. Yeah, I don't I I I agree with Q in most cases. I'm I'm on I'm pro-Q, I think, except for Yeah. I don't know if he's still on the the Well, you motherfuckers come on here.

It's like always so everyone comes on here. Like if you're going to come on a Live stream for anything. Why is everybody coming on so sad all the time? They were just so sad all the time, just so sad. Tony Argated.

I think The show with the Packers has gotten to a point where They don't like any dissension or dissenting opinions, and everybody just wants to agree.

So, if somebody comes on with a disagreement then they just attack them. Rather than disagreements. It's not like saying. Uh It's not like saying, like, oh, you know, I don't think Christian Watson's the number one. I think it's Dantavian Wicks, or I don't think that the Packers should be playing zone as much as they're playing.

It's like, Everything needs to change immediately now. It's like, whoa, fucking Christ. Like, Back up whole.

Well that's true though. Changing an NFL coach, Jake, is a lot different than changing an NBA coach. or changing an NFL roster is not the same. No, I I like um I like Hughes' thoughts that Green Bay is just kind of synonymous with mediocrity now, and that's a shame. But I'm actually um I'm going to take a little break from talking Packers on this show because It doesn't seem to be very productive, but I will talk bucks.

Um I thought Middleton He can be effective, but I think he needs to be a 20 to 25 minute per game guy. And with his and Dame's offensive skill set, I'd like to see them tier those minutes.

So Middleton should be coming off the bench. I've said this before, and people take it like it's this awful sign of disrespect to say that he shouldn't have to. Right, but it's not disrespectful. And if it's disrespectful to him, I question the ego. Mano Ginobli came off the bench for the Spurs, got them a title or two.

And I just think for this team, a bench is a weakness right now. You have enough offense in your starting five with Giannis and Damon on some nights, Brooke. I think you get. I love what Andre Jackson Jr. did.

Him and Jay Crowder are great fits for that starting lineup with Giannis, Brook, and Dame. And then, if you have a bench of Middleton, Portis, Conaton, and Beasley, I think that's a formidable bench. I think that the team, you just tier the minutes to where. Dame and Chris. You have at least one of those guys on the floor at all times.

You have a nice, steady, consistent offensive threat to go along with the whirlwind that is Giannis when he's in there. And I just think it's a better balanced team if you take Chris off the bench. I love that in theory, but I feel like Chris just needs like, he needs minutes to. get going, you know, and he's not going to have that off the bench. I think that's what's happening right now.

I mean, I feel like everything you explained is what I've witnessed. Other than Beasley being a starter. And not a bench guy. Yeah. Yeah, well, and you know, if you want to cheat and help me pipping, is he Wally Pippin Beasley?

Bochamp, I think he's supplanted Bochamp for sure as the wing prospect. I don't have a lot of hope left for Bo Champ, but we'll see what happens. I mean, what does he do better than Andre Jackson Jr. at this point? I mean, tonight he just kind of got in some cardio.

I'm with you on that, Jake, because what AJ Jay's ringing.

Something the bucks don't have. Right. Yeah, and I think um Jackson is one of those guys that can be super effective without the ball and without usage too. Um, you saw him make the hustle plays tonight, and Bo Champ, I always feel like he has to think about everything before he does it. Like, he's not a reactive player.

Um, it's like Think, think, wait, wait, go. Yeah. Corey says, I like seeing Middleton with Giannis and Dame throw MIDI the ball against the third, fourth best defender. And he will win that matchup.

Well, and that's something that I think gets misconstrued too. If I say I want him off the bench, that doesn't mean I don't want him finishing the fourth quarter in crunch time. I think if you you could also go if you want, like he could start and then the minutes could be staggered.

Well, it's just a little bit more difficult if you're starting the first and second half with both of those guys in the lineup.

So I think it's easier to tier those minutes. And in general, you need to limit Middleton's minutes to make sure that he's going to be healthy when you need him to be.

So I think twenty to twenty-five minutes is perfect for him. Q says Dave made his 39 look easy tonight. It's nice when Dame feels comfortable against the team. Seems like he has more rhythm against familiar foes. Hopefully, he can get more rhythm.

within our offense as well. Dames looked great last Couple nights. They look very good. And I think it's like. Again, this is why I keep saying like This team is Good.

I'm not changing nothing. And I wanted to say too that Indiana, that was such Bush League horseshit. But I also think Giannis reacted the complete wrong way that he should have. But the the biggest uh Silver lining to that is, I think. They may have awakened a monster there, not just in Giannis, but in the Bucs.

Um Because to me the box In general, this season, some nights more than others, looked like they kind of lacked focus, lacked passion. And lack that fire. And if that's what it takes, is you know, somebody trying to. Do some Bush League bullshit to you, whatever. I'm fine with it.

But just continue to harness that fire. And and to your point, you've been high in Bobby Portis, Jake, like I've been. For the people that want to trade Bobby for a backed up big man. Just look at what happened here the last few games with Bobby and then leadership that he should. Who else is stepping up on the team to show leadership?

Big Bob on AS. That's right. Yeah, Bobby is not he should not be on the block. Also, to Jake, your comment about Giannis, like, come on, man. You're an all pro.

You are an NBA champion. Like, don't be chasing down your ball. Why not? I will say this. He is very childlike, though.

He's a little. He said, no one has ever been this good and gotten this. Much disrespect in NBA history. He does. I get it.

You want time to fucking game ball. I get it. You want to be a bad guy. I want the statue of Giannis. I want the statue of Giannis to be him.

Build a tunnel. And then the statue of him could be running down the tunnel. No, I have a statue uh NASA's holding him back. Just have like the whole team holding him back. To me, the play there should have been like you go into the press conference and you say, Hey, they didn't want to give me the ball.

That's cool. You guys get the ball. I got this win. That would have been the perfect thing to say. Yeah, and it would have been sweet too if every NFL running back just handed the ball to the ref like Barry Sanders and Emmett Smith.

Not even remotely comparable. Score 65. later in the in the year Score 65, take that ball. Like Has anybody scored sixty-four without a three? Other than maybe Will Chamberlain with 100.

Wilt never scored 100, and I'll die on that hill. I'm not arguing that. Ryan Horvat had the three-point. Uh Whatever it's called. What's the what's that in-game Uh A bet.

Like a stat bat Alec in game. Oh, prop. Yeah, a prop. He had the he had the. The honest Plus 240 three-pointer, and he scored 64 and did not get it.

So love that. Did Horvey did he tweet out that if T. Higgins was playing? Today if the Packers, we win. I didn't see it.

T Higgins did a monster game Saturday. I don't know what the. He's your handers about that. That T. Higgins touchdown, where he was like blindly throwing the ball out there, that was really catch of the year.

That was so sick.

So how do we feel about Webb and Yama? come into town are we all gonna get we gotta like basically our whole december is at home I don't like the friend. You don't like the French? Oh. They're assholes.

Didn't Go Bear start COVID? A lot of bed bugs. He was like the ceremonial. Patient X.

Okay. You brought it here. Um Tony says, What a stupid comment. Giannis is childlike. Don't drink and talk stupidly.

Yeah, this is a this is a Giannis safe zone.

Well, I mean, when I say a child, like these things like taking the ball is important to him. Like, don't talk. Yeah, that's that's not he was trying to give it to Dame.

Well, and I don't think he really cared about the ball. It was literally the act of, we're taking this ball. That's what pissed him off. Like, really? Don't, you know, what about the ladder thing too, though?

Yeah, they're not bullshit against Giannis.

Somebody's ribs got bruised, you know? Where was he? And then everybody in the NBA, media, or fucking internet goes, fake humble. He's fake humble. Oh, come on.

You gotta be a national powerhouse radio media guy.

So you get some more mil Milwaukee cred, you know, get A Milwaukee slant going, maybe a Midwest bias. I'm trying.

Well, look, and that ladder thing, I don't care if that's Grayson Allen shooting free throws after the game, that's a professional player. like that was he should he should have done the same thing if it was him like That's so disrespectful to do to somebody. When I worked, um. For the brewers?

Well like one of the rules when you were dealing with players was like Whatever they say goes. It doesn't matter if there's an issue, go and talk to your boss about it later. But if they want something, give it to them.

So like I don't know, I would assume I don't know. That's kind of fucked up culture. It was the Philly thing. It was a total Philly move. I think a lot of, I think, like.

Probably. 80% plus of the organizations would have let Giannis shoot as many free throws as he wanted, but it was a Philly thing. Yeah. Well, because he said, didn't he sit in the middle of their court once? Was that him?

Was that Philly? Yeah, he hit like, or he iced the game and then went and sat on the court. Yeah, don't you? I like that shit. I'm glad we're doing that shit.

Me too. I'm also glad that they fucking threw the ladder in front. I think that's awesome. Is it fucking games? It's it's gamesmanship.

It's You know what? That's what sports is about. Like, come on. I got I got a question for the group. I tweeted this out.

Would you, the dream scenario playoff run, wouldn't it be? Heat first round. Sixers, second round Celtics to get to the finals. Wouldn't that be the dream? Oh, I don't care about that kind of shit anymore.

I just want to beat teams. Hey, come on, man. That 96 Super Bowl, it would have meant a lot. It still meant a lot, but it would have been nice to knock off the. Oh, that might be the all-time worst take.

I believe Fucking Cowboys A. You're a cowboy Packer fans. I remember that because there were Packer fans that are like. We're in the Super Bowl. Gosh darn, I wish we could have beat Dallas to get here.

Thanks. That was a really good. I don't know. I'm kind of with Tony on this one. Like, to me, all sports is entertainment.

So I want to see the stories. I want the rivalries. I want the tough road. Like, I don't like when people are like, oh, I really don't want to see them. I'm scared of them.

Scared money don't make money. I just agree. I would have liked to beat Dallas. Thanks. Well, they beat him the next year.

Remember, the Cowboys came and the Naggers beat him like they could have beat him twice. No, I know, I know. Oh yeah, I don't know. I'm just Still kind of bum. I mean, the bills look good, but my cowboys really took going on the shitter today.

God, stop saying that. They cannot play on the road. They're going to have a tough time in the playoffs, depending on what they end up. They're going to have to go to Tampa or New Orleans to open the. Playoffs.

But you did have a good take, though. 94 is when the Niners won it. 95 is when the Cowboys won it. why do we always anoint the niners as a franchise you know or This elite franchise. People are like, well, the Niners have been to Super Bowls and NFC Championship games.

Like, cool, you lost, you lost more, you lost on bigger stages. Like, that fuck you. You've choked bigger. The Packers. The Packers, for as much as we bitch, that they only had two Super Bowls.

In those years of fire. Yeah, I think it's a good idea. The Niners They haven't won a single Super Bowl in that time. They haven't won since 1994. They haven't won since Friends premiered.

But they had Jimmy Garoppolo. I'm not a forty-niner guy, but. The fact that they did as much as they did with Garoppolo is But they didn't do enough. They didn't win. John Lynch trades Trey Lance, and everyone's like, oh, wow, he got out of that deal.

Wow. He fucking traded four picks to get Trey Lance. I do want to point out, though, it's kind of still very competitive. It's very two-faced of us to have an argument like this because. Football is a game of inches and like We probably make the same excuses that Niners fans make, so you know.

It is what it is. And I want to say, Bart, you said. You're a Cowboys fan? You're a Warriors fan? Ditch the Brewers, become a Yankees fan, complete the sports douchebag triumvirate, and just go for it.

Oh. Become a Yankees fan. I'm not a Yankees fan. I'm not a Yankees fan. God damn it.

No, I'm not a Yankees fan, but I do like that the Yankees traded for Soto. I like when the Yankees act like the Yankees. I don't know why they were acting like a small market team for 10. It's good for baseball. Baseball sucks.

The Dodgers suck.

Soto already shaves his beard, right? Pitch clock though. Baseball sucks. Baseball does suck.

Well, Major League Baseball sucks.

Well, hey, the next Winkler, like, tailgate, let's make it against the Cubs and let's go b boo the fuck out of council. Please. Bucks Tailgate still to come. Get Bervat back and he can cheer for the Cubs. Get Rami back, he can cheer for the Cubs.

Let's go to uh Let's go to a forward Madison game. Let's go to a Carolina Panthers-Packers game for like a dollar. Oh, I got nothing done. I thought they were still expensive, actually. Bart, is there a name for the Milwaukee team yet?

Had it been decided? No, did you see got pushed back a year also? Oh, no. I mean, no, they no more.

Okay. The Undertaker's music is playing in my head right now. Yeah. Yeah, we need we need the soccer team. I know.

Are you gonna play Goal League Bart? I'm gonna try out. Yeah. That sounds like an ABA thing from the 70s. Like, if you win this contest, you get to play point guard for one quarter.

Like, they should do that. It could be fun. Jacksonville just. Gorda cost me a sh like a hundred bucks. Oh, who are they playing?

Baltimore. Baltimore. Fuck shit. I started Barton Hill over Callis Goddard into that fucking guillotine tack. I was going to say, Bart, do you have a backup for Jalen Hurts tomorrow?

I played Purdy today, so I'm okay. Oh, oh, that's fine. You're good. Is this the worst NFL season ever? Huh?

I said, is this the worst NFL season ever where there's like zero good teams? Yeah, you're seeing, this is a good take by you, Jake. The Lions have a winning record. Yeah, everybody sucks. Dick is right.

The NFL is mediocre, and that's why. We are not that far off as much as you think. And we don't need to totally turn over the roster and players and. Coach. New leadership, man.

Yeah. I I agree with Tony. The league is mediocre. We're we're the league. Terrible year of NFL.

Tell me three Hall of Fame quarterbacks playing this weekend. None. One. Jordan Love. Patrick Mahomes.

Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes. Jordan Love. ABCJ Strouden. Jordan Love.

But he didn't play it. He did play. Yeah, there you go. Tommy Cutlets. Joe Flacco.

Hey, I gotta ask this though guys.

So DeVito tore us up last week. What is the biggest New York just kind of like joke of a run? Jeremy Leonardus DeVito guy. Oh, I thought the same thing. Sanity and DeVito character.

Oh, I think insanity was bigger. Yeah. DeVito's already gone. De Vito's done, probably. Yeah.

Yeah, DeVito didn't have a run. He just played Green Bay. There was a tweet today. Coniglio's Pizzeria and Bakery in Morristown, New Jersey was supposed to have Tommy DeVito at the restaurant on Tuesday. They have a fee.

The DeVito family has a fee of $10,000, but then they then, which the restaurant agreed to, the DeVito family. Said, actually we're upping it to twenty after they beat the Packers and now the restaurant cannot have it. That's fine.

So, I wonder if now that they lost to the Saints, they're going to have to lower. No, that restaurant just dodged a bullet. Tosquito stock is still agreed. Did you guys see the agent? It's actually going to the Italian Sports Hall of Fame in Chicago.

Yeah, dude, what the fuck? What is that person on this planet? I dislike more than that guy. I thought it was fake. When I heard that, I was like, wait, what do you mean?

Like, did he do anything else in his past? I'll take that guy. as the defensive coordinator over Joe Berry. Me too. This guy is like the guy Eric from the show Entourage.

He just kind of was on Vince's coattails the whole time. You lost me on that one. Do you he was A decent dude. He could hold his own, I think. Oh, he always got the hottest babes.

Oh, like Sloan? Sloan. Sloan. And number one. All right, I'm going to leave, guys.

You guys have fun. I'm also going to leave. Thanks for spending your day with me today, guys. Bye, boys. Have a good evening.

All right. Goodbye. I have a Tim Shay Tuesday coming up soon. Leave some voicemails if you can. Flier Lafleur.

Roll it. Let's get this tank rolling. Tim edit that. Out in post, please. Awful way to end.

Yeah.