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Gay! Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome into the Winklerverse. It is just a random Tuesday. In March, the 24th day of the month.
To be exact, it's time for a little mm-hmm. Grand Bills is here. There it is. Paul Immig is here. We are on all of your podcast platforms.
I just responded to somebody today on Facebook Messenger.
Somebody said, What station are you on now? I said, I'm on all the platforms. And I also saw a message that said, could you please. Join our NCAA bracket. It would mean so much to us.
And I am a week late on that, but I did tell him my bracket's dog shit. And I'll send you 10 bucks if you want to just pretend at least. that I was in it. Um Although it's not busted, I took Houston. I did.
I took Houston. I got my final four. Yeah, thank you. Uh my kid is Florida. I should show you the.
We have like a print, we have like a fill-in, his little handwriting, doing all the schools. It is so, it is. It is really charming. Let's start. I got a Paul's got a great long-form topic for us today, just a tremendous topic.
And I can't wait for you guys to hear this. But I need to start. With what's called Helping hands. And this is an old TV term.
Okay, it's an old TV term.
So on the audio, you won't see it. I'll describe it. You know exactly what it looks like. What I'm holding in my hand here is a modern-day television remote. This is for my Samsung TV.
I have all these little buttons here. I can just go right to Netflix. And go right to YouTube. Or I can hit home. And go to the apps I choose.
One of the apps I have is DirecTV, where then I use this remote. Which Does have numbers on it. And Grant Has so here's here's what's happening. Everybody's Wondering what channel the Brewers are going to be on. I do think that they will be on a channel.
The crisis will be averted. But they haven't told us yet, and why the season starts in two days. And I am somebody that likes to. I have cable. They've always been on my cable DirecTV provider.
So I want to watch them still on DirecTV. I'm not buying brewers.tv. I ain't doing that. But Grant's saying. Who even has remotes with numbers on it anymore?
And brother, I have to use these helping hands to push back at you. Because last year I was all 669. Damn she fine. To watch my Milwaukee Brewers. I believe.
It's going to be on 670 this year. But that is not. confirmed information. I think Spectrum's guide has already thrown out a number Um But why did you betray? Why did you betray Cable, Grant?
I thought you were. I have cable, I just have the DirecTV stream.
So it operates. I open it up like you would open up Netflix, and I just maneuver with my Roku remote. There's no punching of numbers.
So, how do you see your channels? Are they alphabetical order? Do you type it in? Yes, it's a massive pain in the ass. I'd much rather punch in numbers, but these are the guidelines that I've been given to live my life: I have a Roku remote.
That controls everything and I can, you know. Including the volume. You know, back in the day, you would control volume and channel sometimes with separate remotes. It's all tied up into the one, into a Roku remote. I just, I need opening day to get here.
I thought of wrapping the phone cord around my neck today. Because I got a call from a listener during Bill's show from Ashgosh. For pleasure, you mean for pleasure, to be clear. Yeah. Yes.
He was upset because Bill has done an okay job of figuring out on Spectrum where they're going to be. And on direct TV, where they're going to be. And this guy from Oshkosh was furious because he has ATT U-verse and he's always forgotten. And he's like, the game's two days away. And they're not on the guide yet.
And I'm his name is Dwayne. I'm like, yeah, Dwayne, but Thursday'll be there, right?
Well, yeah, but it's just a little. Be there Thursday. I also got a call just today, this is both today from Sturgeon Bay wondering if that spectrum thing does that cost money? I'm like the The cable, the cable package spectrum or the brewer's channel? Yeah, the spectrum.
Does that cost money? Yeah, that costs. That costs money.
So I just I need opening day to get here.
So people, why are people looking three days ahead on their TV guide?
Well, I said something earlier this month. Shut up, Paul. Don't give me that face. I said something earlier this month. That I have not been engaged with Brewers' spring training at all.
One, because of the World Baseball Classic. All right, that's fair. The other is I don't know how to watch them.
So, if I can't watch them, I have done no, I don't know anything. I don't know anything. I don't know who's playing well. I've read nothing. Not having the ability to watch it has it has he?
Yeah. Extremely agree. I honestly. Don't know. I don't know a thing.
At all. Thumbs up, James Morris. Thumbs down, Garrett Mitchell. There's your summary. I know there was a trade today, breaking news.
Jake Woodford has been acquired from the Rays for. KC Hunt.
Now I got to take that jersey back to the fucking pro shop. Mm-hmm. But They should be. I think the overall thing for me is, I need to know I can watch it. to be engaged with it.
You can. And I know that come opening day. Oh, I have to believe. that I will be able to punch three little numbers. Upon my remote.
Little Bob Marley, anybody? Three little birds upon my doorstep. That was a reach. I know the song. It was just a little bit of a reach.
Reaching. Yeah. Yeah. But It's insulting. It's insulting.
What is that? They're like, oh, we'll figure it out by opening day. It's insulting. Who who's who are you? Who are you blaming for said who's insulting you?
Who's responsible for this? MLB? Yes. Brewers? MLB.
So is the whole plan? We'll tell him, you know, and I know. That opening day is available on Fox 6, and I will be watching it in Milwaukee on Fox 6. And opening day is going to be broadcast on. You know, bunny ears throughout the state.
I know. I know. But I don't know where I'm watching Friday's game and Or Saturday's game, I guess. And that upsets me. I I do I do I will say I While you're making a medium sized deal out of something that's seems Not to that level.
Have you met Ted?
Well done. Good reference. But Bad ending. Great show. Good show.
No, not great. Good show. If it's How I Met Your Mother, it's go ahead.
Okay. Um I still do need to be As a non-direct TV or non-traditional cable guy, I actually have. What just less than two days to get my brewers.tv thing set up. But by the way, take 10 minutes.
So you're lucky. It won't take very long. No big, no big deal. And that is way better than what I had to deal with last year in the same situation, which was the Fuboo, Fubo bullshit, whatever I fuck, like, that sucked. That's gone.
I think it's gotten to the point where just the mere mention of any distribution system. Is frying Grant's brain. We should have seen this coming. There have been people holding out with Hulu Live for eight years, saying, Well, I'm just waiting for them to figure it out. There's people, they're everywhere.
Those people are still there.
So, I can't. Yeah, the amount of friends that currently have my DirecTV password. Which I don't know how that I'm getting. They don't limit it. It's the one thing in the world.
I've logged in a bajillion places. Yeah, Netflix, you got to get a real ID to have these days. I can't log into Netflix in my bathroom. If I stray too far from my bedroom TV, like it's wised up. Direct TV does not give a shit.
So it's a silly question, perhaps. But when you do the brewers.tv thing as an in-market subscriber, you get all the benefits that you would that I have in previous years to watch other teams that were out of market, right?
So I can pause, I can start from. Beginning of the game, do we know the answer to this? No, look, the app might suck. That's what I keep saying. That's what I keep telling people.
Like, you can do the brewery's TV thing, and it's assuming the app works, it's a great option.
Well, it's $15 a month, but now I sound like bard on my show where it's like, well, there's a game every day. It's like people say that my generation is entitled. And maybe that's true. But the amount of people who just seemingly think the brewers should be Broadcasted for free into their living room, and any dollar spent is just ridiculous. It's like, guys, you're gonna have to pay for it.
Cable. No, I think we're gonna.
So, as you know, as the cord-cutting era. Has maybe ended. I don't know. The viewer entitlement era. We should do an NBA parallel, like the player empowerment era versus the viewer empowerment era.
I like that. But one of the big draws for keeping it is it's always had my regional sports networks. And so I'm not going to all of a sudden lose that and have to pay $20 a month for something I've had for the longest time. You shouldn't. Thank you.
Should be their opening day.
Sorry, I guess you can't go find it now. I'm sorry. But I want to find it now. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
This is somebody who grew up. You know what I did? I'll never forget this. I know where this is going. I know you do, but I'll change the story a little bit.
I went to... We went to my uncle's house in Indianapolis. In like the mid-90s. And I got a hold of his TV remote. And in, you know, different cities, the channels are different.
The local channels and all the other channels.
So they let me go on for about 20 minutes just staring at the TV guide channel going up and down, up and down, before someone finally said. Are you watching anything? And I'm like, well, they only show an hour and a half at the time. I'm waiting to see what's on in two hours.
So I'm watching the channels. And I missed I missed one last time because I Blinked.
So I I yeah, I will always fight for T V channels. And to plan ahead, Grant, planning ahead is where it's at. For what? What are you planning for? Sanity.
You're not even going to watch it live. You're going to DVR it and watch it. That's why it's important. Nobody can't DVR because there's no fucking channel to press it on. That's why it's going to be important, per my previous question.
That I can do. Every 10 days, I go through the main broadcast channels and I look: what are the new shows that I want to watch? And I see, oh, Scrubs is coming back. Only losers would watch that, but if I would watch it, I would press record series. Oh, the sports games.
Oh, I know the Bucks are on NBC that night. Oh, wow. Anyway, I mean This whole thing has exposed so much mental illness, and I just need the season to start. I can't do this. I think it's exposed your youth.
My youth? Yeah. That's what?
Now I'm confused, though. What is his user? Grant didn't grow up in the same TV situation that we did. Are you saying that he just expects to like he kicks a button and then it's on, as opposed to us that we had to plan ahead? Is that like where you had to set your DVR?
You had to literally say, Oh, we set a VCR. Yeah, 100%. I did too. What is it like a novelty? Right.
No, come on. The late 90s, the early 2000s, recorded sports games. This is something that Livia Soprano would be miserable about. And Tony and Carmella would be like, Ma, you gotta well, the the chan that doesn't have my channel yet. And they'd be like, You need to fucking stop.
That's I'm I am the younger person telling you you guys need to stop freaking out. Weren't you born in like 99, 98? Yeah. So were you you were In those first th three years of life, you were really heavy on the VCR? Yeah.
Yeah. I grew up watching DCR taking. When did TV Guide go from... The short little booklets to the big magazines. I don't know if I remember.
I don't know if Grant was alive for short little booklets. I know the short little booklets really well. I'm trying to remember the bigger version that you're talking, but I can't picture it. I would look at it. There were 53 days of the year.
That I had my favorite Poops. 52 of those poops. were Sunday mornings. when inside the newspaper I would get the printed TV guide.
So I would go up and poop. And read the TV guy, the 500 years paper. We didn't have a base. We only had one bathroom and it was upstairs.
Okay. Okay. Um I always poop always poop in the basement, but go ahead. And then the other day was when we got the new Yellow pages because I would then see if there were any new streets added in the map that came in the front of the booklet. Wow.
Because I could probably draw from memory Every street in Fond du Lac, like right now. I can do the whole every every street. Because of the yellow pages? I would I would study that map like I was going off to An uncharted space voyage. Like, what if I didn't get back, I would die?
What age-ish are we talking about with that? Nine through forty-one. You still do that.
Now I go to Google and look what places used to look like 10 years ago. And Grant doesn't ever look at a like a, he just Grant goes where the wind carries him. Like, you, what we had the conversation about how I actually will like look at a. map to say, okay, I'm supposed to turn here and you just kind of feel it out, right?
Well, yeah, 'cause nobody in my nobody my age can get to work without their GPS. They punch it in when they drive everywhere. Why why? Good good for you for I mean I'm more of that line of thinking. I don't go anywhere without Yeah.
Okay. Well, I think my piece has been said. Anyone else? Uh Nope. This was in this was the this was Brewers.
We led with brewers. Yeah. I think this is the top story with the Brewers right now. Believe me, it is. Where do I watch you?
The second story is. Oh, this place took the Cubs. Aren't they serious? Don't they? Like that kind of shit.
Wait, what? Oh, doubting us again, huh? Oh. And Pat Murphy's shout out of Chuck Freeman last night. I did not hear it.
What? I'll bring it up and show you in a sec. It's nice. It's nice. So I'll get that in a second.
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And we're back. It's into the Winkler verse. Paul Imig wanted to start the show. I didn't tell you what the topic was. I just told you that there was one.
Logically Two days before opening day, if this was Any normal show, we would start with brewers. We would hit on. Giannis and the latest. I would have done that with the Giannis part, but I did listen to yours, what, Saturday morning one, where you did a lot of. Bucks ownership and everything.
So we still might get there. But. The other night, I was up late, couldn't sleep, and I think I stumbled upon. Like an aha for the NFL. And I want to test it.
There's a chance that It's genius, and that we're going to clip this, and that I need to secure. Can you trademark an idea via podcast and be like, nope, that was mine? And Goodell, write me a check? I don't know. If you're that proud of this idea.
Do you not want to put it into the wild? I mean, we get 700 views a week. We're gonna, we're gonna test this out. I want to. You can you can pick at it.
Yeah. and we can fine-tune it. And then we'll and then we'll bring it broader than. than the seven hundred plus views will never know. Um So I actually gave me a, this was before I saw this tweet, but I'll lead with this tweet because it was well timed.
And that was Pablo Torre finds out. The Super Bowl to be played in Atlanta to be played in February of 2028 does not have a date yet, which, less than two years from the game, is unheard of. Is what Florio tells Pablo Torre of why an 18-game NFL regular season is coming sooner than people think. My topic That I was brainstorming one night happened before that, but it kind of sets the stage. Um Here's what I'm going to ask you first.
The NBA season, regular season plus playoffs, is how many weeks long? A year is 52 weeks. How many of those 52 weeks does the NBA regular season plus playoffs last? Grant, you want to venture a guest for fun? Thirty s wait.
How long is the NBA season? Regular season plus playoffs. Ooh. All right, it's 34. 34.
Major League Baseball play regular season plus playoffs is how many weeks long? Uh What's half a year? 28? Twenty seven? Twenty six would be half.
Mm-hmm. I'll go with 268. The answer is 31.
Okay. Um The NFL season, regular season plus playoffs is At 22, technically.
Now, does that count the bye week in between the Super Bowl? Yeah. Okay. No.
Well, I don't know. I guess we could total it up. Anyway, so 34 for the NBA. 31 for Major League Baseball. The answer for NFL is 52.
There's no offseason.
Well, actually, funny you say that.
So there's a big discrepancy there. And clearly, what Roger Goodell and ownership of NFL Teams is trying to do is to take up more and more of the calendar. Be it The Christmas time period, be it extending the season, and not just with regular season games, but like to literally keep pushing back the Super Bowl to have more of the schedule, because no matter where the NFL exists on the calendar. It will win the sports. You know, ratings war, if such a thing.
Um The Thought process I came up with, and I'll read it to you this way. Would you prefer the current NFL schedule? I want you to think of this from the perspective of the NFL PA. And of the NFL owners, would you prefer the current NFL schedule with essentially five months of NFL games and seven months of no NFL games? Or 17 regular season games per NFL team spread out over 30 weeks.
Meaning, on average, a buy every other week, or like, what would that be? For every four games you play, you get three buys.
Something.
Something to that effect. With the playoffs, then on consecutive weekends, for it would be a grand total of like 34 weeks, which is right in scale with the NBA. And then you'd have those remaining four and a half months, a much more condensed timeline for the draft for free agency. and things of the sort. Um the NFL could take over much more of the calendar year with extremely minimal downtime.
Make Several additional months of TV revenue. Players would be more healthy and more available due to the significantly more rest. I'm gonna dive more into it, and I wanna talk more about the whys and the what's. But the question I'm gonna ask you is: this is a fantastic idea. Mm-hmm or mm-mm.
I'll lay out a little bit more of the thought process instead of reading what I had drafted at 1 a.m. a few nights ago. Um Who says no to something like that? Like the old NBA trade idea of who says no? Don't panth and I are like Like hugging the back of the screen.
First of all, Greg, hang with me on this. I think we can sort this through. If you're an NFL owner, so you have eight, nine games on a Sunday noon window, right? We enjoy that part. We like the the experience of red though.
Sure, Paul. What? Let me say one thing. See you then. If you overly poo-poo this, I'm going to.
I think I think that there's a lot here because go ahead. I want to say one thing. I want to just answer the question: the question was: Fantastic idea. Is this a fantastic idea? To that, I will say, mm-hmm.
Oh. All ideas. Are fantastic. The fact that we are develop enough. To have functioning thoughts that we can organize into some sort of pattern that we can then call an idea.
I don't take that lightly.
Okay. So is it a good idea? Yeah. Yeah, it's a fantastic idea. All I This Who says who who says no?
Ha ha ha ha! Who says no? Granted and I were both, we ended by sitting against our walls. Yeah, you're processing a brilliant idea. I don't think we've ever done that before.
Processing. I get this is a different topic. Grant. I can ask you if Jake Bowers is going to lead the team in batting average if you want. You never would, though.
Are you the real Paul? You don't care about that stat. We're all simulating here. The NFL season is too short. compared to their compared to their competitors.
Why? Goodell is clearly trying to expand the schedule by just adding games. Players aren't healthy. Players want more rest. The product would be better.
All right.
So the wheat, let's say this owners would make two and a half months more of revenue spread out across, you know.
So when does your season start? August 1st? Hypothetically. Sure. The Packers play August 1st.
When's their next game? August.
Well, again, like there'd be three bucks. What would the rep math be? I haven't done the math. Three buys for every four games, but like they'd either play the next three buys for every four games.
So they would play once a month.
Well, I should have probably done more of the math. It sounds like they're going to play. Once every however many games. Twice every month. You'd play, let's call it 18 games.
Let's do the Florio and Pablo Torre report. You have 18 games spread out over. 30 weeks. That would put you in line with an NBA season.
So you're playing two to three games a month for six months. Yeah. Sure, if that's the math. Yeah. No fucking way, brother.
Why but but now so you're all you're saying it might not be a good fan experience Is what you're saying, right? You just lose juice in between games. The May I say this? The onfield products would be way better. Already good.
No, it's not Thursday night games. There's plenty of examples where on anything short rest, it's bad football. That's just what the leftist media tells you. It's for the most part fine. I'm Tim.
Sorry. Um Okay. Injuries are always going to happen. It's not just injuries though, it's actual physical. two trucks running into each other body health.
I'm going to start a leftist podcast. Oh, by the way, it's already canceled. Yeah. Um What problem, what's the number one problem you're looking to solve here, Paul? Do you want healthier players or do you want the NFL to occupy more calendar space?
I want both. If I'm in the case of the game, which one's more important, do you think? What do you think? I would say the point is that Goodell is going to keep pushing the boundaries to more games to expand the season to go longer. He's doing that.
He's already done it once. He's going to obviously pur the. Yeah, but that means more inventory. That means more. I'm getting more games.
So I'm not saying that.
Okay, Bart said the Packers play on August 1st. When do they play next? A whole fuck ton of teams are playing on August 8th. whether it's the Packers or not.
So for every week. From let's just say early August until End of January. There's games all the time on Thursday night, on Sunday all day, on Monday night.
Now, your team, your favorite team, might not be playing. Each of those windows or each of those weeks, but you're getting the revenue from Fox and CBS for the noon and three o'clock window. You're getting the money from NBC for the Sunday night. You're getting the money from ESPN for the Monday night. You're getting the money from Amazon for Thursday night.
You're just having fewer clusters of games where there's not eight on Sunday. There's four at noon on Sunday. And then there's only two.
So you can spread it out. The so what they're selling is the time window. Right for the bro for the broadcasting rights.
So you're not getting fewer. Dollars for a Sunday game at noon just because there's four games and not nine.
So you're selling, I think we don't like it. You feel when there's so like. It's tough to nail down, but I think you guys will agree. When I come off of a Sunday, of watching football. I can feel it in my gut.
If the Eagles The Bills, the Ravens, and the Niners were all on bye. Like, I feel like I don't feel quite, I don't feel as satisfied. I could feel the absence of a couple, like, if it's a loaded body.
So, yeah, there's games on, and all football is good football, sure. But there does reach a point where it's like, it felt like Josh Allen and the Rams were both on bye for fantasy purposes. For gam, if you're a gambler, and also just like. I don't want to be going from window to window thinking, I guess Falcons Panthers is the best game. And then you go to three o'clock and you're like, I guess it's Broncos.
And I don't know, Texas. Like, it just, you feel the absence in those weeks when there are like four or five teams on pie in the middle of the year.
So let me compare that, though, then, to. Like your average NBA week, of which they take up three more months of the calendar than the NFL. How many of those additional 12 weeks that the NBA takes up than the NFL are completely like, who cares? There wasn't a single good game on. Most.
So again, I'm not saying like the quality of an NFL Sunday for the viewer is better. I'm saying both parties can win. Players can be healthier. The product can be better. The NFL owners can make a lot of time.
You want the season to be so long, you could tear an ACL week one and come back week 15. Which, I mean, isn't that a win for everybody? Like, you don't think, let me ask you this.
Okay, and then I gotta stash him on my fantasy team. You can dislike the idea, that's okay. Paul, again, it's not the idea. I discussed it. The idea is brilliant.
I heard your explanation for why it was brilliant. My question is this. Play okay, let me ask you in in sections. Owners would be for this. Or mm-mm.
Let me just, can I stop and go back to the base of this, please? I liked what Paul was about. Can can I do this and then you do that? All right, you you go first. You may no, you may, it's your show.
No, it's not. It's the Winkler versus show. It's everybody's show. You're part of the Winkler versus. It's the community show.
So, Grant, or both of you, ideally. owners would be for adding eight to 10 more weeks of revenue regular season football or television revenue Yeah. Television reference, which is the guess. Why would they have an issue with it? And if they own the building, more opportunity to do monster trucks at the building.
One of the weekends the football team is gone. I don't know. Maybe. They wouldn't hate it, I guess. Yeah, I don't think that that might be a hindrance because you're not going to.
You're not going to have a Luke Bryan concert. In between two Packer games. I mean, which again, this is a. You're thinking I Then you got to fuck up the field and take it all down. And so you're almost, are you almost taking away windows?
You can still use the stadium? I promise you, there's more money to be made for an NFL owner over the course of eight to 10 more weeks of TV revenue than there is the one Luke Bryan concert that you're referring to. Tell that to the local businesses, Paul. When you play. On a Thursday night.
And then you don't play again until... Sunday, the next week. That's a long time. And when you have a bye week. Don't bye weeks feel like you.
I mean, it has been two weeks since I watched a game. That I don't know. And now you want to implement that 17 to 18 times? You guys want Matt LaFleur coming off a buy five or six different times over the course of a season? You guys want Wisconsin Sports Radio to try to get three weeks out of a Packers-Panthers game?
Here's how I want to break this down. I want to ask a three-part question. Owners would say yes, or players would say yes, and it would be a good fan experience. We might agree on the third one. About fan experience and whether or not to better fan experience.
I don't think players would go for it because. their required time to be present is longer. You're taking away their offsets. They have to live in Green Bay for more time. Careers would be.
It's one thing to move to Green Bay and, you know. the summer but Players would be healthier. Players would be healthier. They would play better. Their careers would be extended.
I agree with you. They will not want to have two more months of season, even if they're not actually playing more. But they would want to have more money, aka a longer career. And by the way, and by the way, player salary, let's say in theory, the TV revenue goes up for everybody by 10%. Players' salaries will increase as a result of that.
Grant's nodding is no, they might. I just don't like that. It's a split. I mean, they're splitting. I would argue.
That if this is how it started. Like, if the NFL started and there were long buys because of travel time and trains, you know, back then. Sure, leatherheads. I would argue that we would push to make it more truncated. If we had 36 weeks with just 19 games, we'd be like.
This is taking too fucking long. We got to shorten the season. That's what we do. We've got 19 games in 23 weeks. We're doing it with college football.
We have this conversation. There's no reason the national championship game can't be played on New Year's Day. College football should own that. And I agree. And there's a lot of parts to it where you say, if you started from scratch and you started over, clearly the NBA season is not 82 games over six months.
Yeah, I don't want to. I don't want. Hey, we have this new sport called Major League Baseball. How long should it be? I don't know.
Let's do 162 of these fucking things over six months. You wouldn't. I'm not, but when you start to look and you start to look at a calendar and you say, oh, there's 34 weeks of NBA, there's 31 weeks of MLB, and the most popular sport by leaps and bounds is 22 weeks. That's not like, oh, well, they're off by two weeks, they're off by two and a half fucking months. Like it there's there's a disparate difference here in terms of Goodell and owners trying to extend the season by just keeping adding games.
I don't know. I think there's a benefit. Like, if you memory swiped and you started over. Where would you land on all of these? I don't think you would extend the NFL.
I think you would shrink MLB and you'd shrink the NBA and then you'd shrink the NFL.
So I agree with you there. But we're not there. And you now, you're like, why would this popular sport be off for? You talk about losing momentum, Bart. Like, you're the most popular sport in America is just.
for the most part nothing for seven months. They don't need games. Huge storyline today. Dan Orlovsky has Ty Simpson as his number one quarterback in the draft. No football game needed.
Proving my point. I the Premier League is from August to May. And they play 30. Eight games. From an ownership perspective, it sounds brilliant.
And there's weeks at a time where they don't play. a Premier League game, but those are filled in with The FA Cup. The caribou cop. The Champions League.
So they're still playing in that time. I don't. I don't think any environment where your team plays. And has 15 to 21 days off. is good.
Let me ask you this. Do you think Okay, how about this? I'll ask it. The product on the field would improve quite significantly if there was always 14 days off between games. Mm-hmm, or mm-hmm.
Ross. I don't think it would. I think that's crazy. And I might even pull like my, yeah, but I've covered an NFL team. I don't think there'd be a tangible enough difference to say, wow, this game is better.
Thank God I have to wait two and a half weeks for another one. Thursday night games are the. Proof that you're wrong. There's only one a year. There's only one a year.
You know, but I'm saying, but as a TV, as a viewer of the NFL, every Thursday night, if you watch those games. Like, it's a lesser football experience. And players have bitched about it since I covered the league. Like, it's not a new phenomenon. I don't think Thursday night games are as miserable as people make them out to be.
No, You with me? Tell it to L. Tell it to L. Michael. Yeah.
You throw Jaguars Titans on there and they're. You know, in their monochromatic jerseys, one fucking time, and all of a sudden, this product's inferior. That was like five years ago, too. You turn on Thursday Night Football, you think you're watching the fucking UFL? Starts Friday, by the way, on Fox.
Thursday Night Football is immensely a better product than you're giving credit for. I promise. I do promise you.
So you think the product stays the same, relatively speaking? I don't think there's a tangible difference. If the when the NBA has a big break, Right. Like when there's a NBA break, the quality of the game goes markedly up. When guys have five or six days off, that first game back is amazing.
No, it is. The NBA is amazing when the guy's true, he's even cognizant of that. Me, others I've talked to about it. Perfect. Like, if you a back to back.
I have never watched the box after a long break and said. Whoa, what I didn't expect. I mean, this is James Naismith just had him shooting through a peach basket. This is fucking wow. We've just discovered how to get through the space-time continuum here.
I know you're doing funny haz, but you don't know the difference. You can't tell the difference between a back-to-back second night game in the NBA and they just had five days off NBA game. You're remarkably different. The back-to-back. The back-to-back is often slow, but I also think a big part of that is we've given the players.
Just carte blanche to use that as an excuse.
Well, it's the second night of a back-to-back. Sure. Sure. All right.
You know what? Thanks for getting. Thanks for getting off the plane, actually. You're right. It's the second you played basketball yesterday and you're playing today.
Holy shit. But also, this part of goes to the reason why they shouldn't be playing 82 games in the NBA and why more rest should always be encouraged. Baseball's pitching speeds being what they are, bats from hitters being as much more powerful than they are. Players are faster, stronger, bigger, more tuned. Like they're putting their body through more.
Like the ACL tears and the Achilles tears in basketball, especially is not a coincidence. It's because since age, Nine, ten, they're playing. Far too competitively with far too much. exertion On their body. And I mean, it's.
All right, it was a thought experiment. I just don't think the NFL should look to emulate what other sports league. But they are, though.
So now I'm trying to make it better.
So, like, if they're already, they want more games. They want more, they want an 18th game added to the schedule they already play. They want an 18th game because they want the season to keep going. farther into February. It's a good thought experiment, but I feel like you're being Don Draper up at 345 Park Avenue right now.
I gave up after Mehmed in seven episodes, so tell me more. Oh god. Yeah. Um my favorite part of this? Is that Mike Florio is the guy who is like, we still don't have a date for the Super Bowl two years in the future.
Why the fuck is that? And everyone's like, ah. Um, sure, sure, like that's why Mike Florio needs to exist. When people complain about Mike Florio, that's why we need him. Is he gets really bent out of shape about shit that no one else is paying attention to?
So, here's what I think is going to happen: I think we are going to, whether it's this 18th game thing before the 2028 season or whatever else. The season is going to keep going deeper and deeper into February. If the answer to that is simply like, you still just get one buy, but we're going to add an 18th game. Then they're going to add a 19th game. No, I think 18 is a nice round number.
16 was perfect forever. And then TV revenue became well, what if we added one more? Preseason's not as highly rated. Let's substitute that with a regular season game. Good idea.
Should we pay the players more? Nah, fuck them. We'll just pay them the same amount. Then we have to strategize what two games do they get off. And it's a whole nother fucking thing.
Like that dumb idea. You're going to think about it. You would love that idea. You're going to think about this idea tonight. And you're going to be like, hmm.
I short-changed that guy. I short-changed him on this.
Some people, Paul. Just want to turn on their TV and watch a fucking game. for two extra months, I'm allowing you to do that. Won't feel the same. Why?
That's too long of a break in between games. Can I meet you in the middle? Add four buys, which adds four more weeks to the season. In I wanted to add eight or nine to get them up to the at least to the MLB 31 weeks window. Let's say, all right.
NFL's 22 weeks. Goodell's on his way to making it 23 with an 18th game. Let's just get to too long. You don't need that many games to figure out who the best football teams are. It's too long.
They're doing that. I'm not, I think it should be 16.
Somebody needs to stand up to these motherfuckers because they had TV deals going through 2030. They're already making CBS re-up. They're going to take it to everybody else. And they have the option to say no, but they're all going to say, well, fuck if CBS did it. Sure, here's more money.
What are we doing? I mean, eventually Fox and CBS and NBC are going to be out. Because it's not going to be.
So it's going to be YouTube slash Google, Amazon, Netflix. Because those are the only companies that are going to be able to afford to pay the freight because they're just going to keep going up. A certain point, Fox, I don't know what the term loss leader. What is it? Loss leader.
NFL is the only thing keeping this thing alive. Correct. But at what cost? At a certain point. The term lost leader, people use that.
It makes him seem smart. At a certain point, like Fox is like, they're not going to be able to afford this anymore. They're going to priced out one. Anyway, if you started fresh. The NFL was perfectly fine at 16 games.
If you started fresh and you all got the men in black flash thing and you started over from scratch, no one would make the NBA 82 game. Fucking no. Oh, when the Brewers play on a Wednesday afternoon and not get until Friday night, it feels like fucking forever. Hey, when they play opening day and then aren't on until Saturday, it's going to feel, I know what you are saying, but I'm saying they're already like you're fighting against the current. The the current is Goodell is going to keep making the season longer.
He's trying to stop doing that. That's one of my big flaws, I think. What's that? I fight against too many currents. Yeah, probably.
But so think about this. Even I mean, how many years ago was it that they added the week before the Super Bowl? like in the past decade, right? I think it was longer than that. It feels shorter, but it was longer.
The Packers had two weeks off. 2010. Did they really?
Okay. I think it was there and then they took it away and then they brought it back. Oh, really?
Okay. The point is, when you add the week, that wasn't by accident. That was to get another week of content out of the NFL. Adding an 18th game, as you know, is clearly being discussed and will happen at some point. That's to add another week to the season.
They're trying to do that.
So I'm not trying to fight against the current. I'm trying to improve the current's direction, I guess. Can I use this? I'm going to put a pin in this. Is that okay?
Pin is fine. I think you're both fuckers.
Well, I think what a lot of people. I'm sorry. I think the opposite of this. People were like. Amazed.
And how much they like the World Baseball Classic. Yeah. You want to see the Indian MLB season just like I did in 2020. They're like, wow, baseball is such a great sport when there's so much stakes on the line. Right.
Baseball is weird because it is a sport that I think benefits from. Yeah, 162 days. Let's figure this thing out. But Also, a 17-game NFL season would be the greatest fucking thing we've ever seen. Yeah.
It would be so great. They should have tried it instead of 60. They should have tried. No, now we're getting six days off in between our baseball games, which kind of fights what I just said. Prior.
But I would like I don't know. Could we see a way where. The MLB runs two seasons consecutively, like 150-game long season. And then we do the playoffs with some of those teams and then a 16-game sprint season. The MLS is shifting calendars, and next March, they're going to have a 17-game season.
And then start again in like August. It's going to be fucked up. But I like I like I like that. How many games should uh again Memory flash. Yeah.
all your previous thoughts deleted. How many games should the NBA season be? Again, keep in mind like 60. Players want to get paid as much as they can. Owners want to get as much revenue as they can.
The NBA season should be 60. I'm with Grace.
Okay. 28 Forty-three games. What was that? You play everyone in your conference twice and you play everyone in the other conference once. Oh, so okay.
Okay. Okay. So what's the final number? 40. What did you say?
40. Or you could even make divisions more important, go four times in your division, you get up to 51 games. Oh, that guy?
So you're playing everybody in the East twice, your division four, the West, just one, no home and away. If you still want to do home and away west, then you're up to 66 games. I've liked in the past how you've thought about, you know, how, or you've talked in the past about how absolutely meaningless NBA divisions are. Like, which I do not like. I think they should be meaningful.
There's really actually like literally no purpose for them. Why are the Bucks in a division with the Pistons and the Pacers and the Bulls? It literally means nothing, right? It has no bearing on anything. Am I right?
You're right. There's no advantage. There's no you play well, you play them more. Like, not, no, you don't. Like, it's.
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So here is. Freems tweeted this last night. I like how he tweeted it. That's great.
Okay. Very cool to have Milwaukee's brewer manager Pat Murphy call the Lock Down Brewers podcast at the post-game press conference. Uh tonight. Here's Pat. Pat Murphy.
Jesus, my mouse is frozen. Ah, there's my guy from uh You do the the podcast. I got so many people. Yes. people hold on is that loud enough not loud enough i can hear it I can hear it, but it's quiet.
Well, first of all, first part was Chuck talking, I think. Yeah, but even Murphy's hard to hear. But okay. No, I can blast the audio. Blast it.
There's my guy from podcast. I actually can't.
So, all right, give it a try. And we all have volume on our speakers. You do the the podcast. Yeah. I got so many people.
That's so many people. Send me little clips. Unbelievable. Yeah. Well, it was actually the same person that kept sending me a clips.
I think he's the only guy that watches your show. I'm just kidding. I like to be I like to be funny when you're here for the first time, you know, like Like that would be funny.
Alright, so. Good for Chuck. Yeah. Chuck, I'm talking about Murph 2. If I go into the locker room.
And Pat Murphy would have said, like, oh, you're from the podcast. I would think.
Someone fucking paid him to say that, and he's being a shithead. That's what I would think. But like I said, good for Chuck. Paul would have paid him. Yeah.
But I believed it. I believe Murphy's seen frames. For sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Alright, well, I just wanted to play that. I'd, you know, support a fellow. Friends, okay.
Now, turn your audio back down, everybody. What do we make of the Shams reporting of the Bucs? All right, that's a good I had that on my topic list. I didn't know how long I would Yellow about it.
So they cut Cam Thomas. Fucking, I don't know. And Sean says. Bucks GM John Horse sold Thomas as a key part of the team's contention ability this season and the future after the team signed him post-trade deadline.
Well, Doc Rivers compared Thomas to Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford just after two games.
Now he's waived.
So the tone is very strong. And now. Shams is digging around with the NBA. Trying to make them force the Bucs to play Giannis. He is 100%.
Even though. Giannis is fucking hurt. Giannis is hurt. Yeah, he wants to play. A lot of times guys get hurt and say, I wanna play.
You're hurt. This looks they're not tanking when they're keeping Giannis out. They're protecting the one fucking thing they have in this goddamn world. This is obviously a reporter scorned. Obviously, there's there's not just editorial editorializing, you know what I'm trying to say happening in his like Cam Thomas tweet, for example.
That's Clearly happening. They release it. He does do a good job of not saying anything explicitly, but oh, can you fucking feel the tone dripping off there? Earlier today, he tweeted: the Bucks, who are fucking terribly run like assholes. No, but that's what he's saying.
Uh Yeah. There's some sarcasm built in there. But I don't think it's a coincidence. He said, the Bucks, who won't give me my pacifier, baby, need a nookie. The fact that it's Shams sharing this.
NBA PA note. about Yeah, of all of all like players where's the pa note for jaron jackson jr Well, he actually, his situations, yeah, well, a different PA note for Moses Moody. Oh, geez, that was brutal. Did you guys see Moody last night? That was awful.
His knee exploded in the air. Oh, I didn't see a slowdown. Is that what it looked like when, like, he was in the air when the injury happened? Or at least when it like. Yeah, because I was watching.
Because my brother's like oh fuck Moody And then I watched and I'm like, okay, so clearly he's going to land on it poorly. And he just did the Yeah. Yeah, it was on it was on launch. Gravity weights for no man. Yeah.
Is that a saying? Sure. Has anyone ever said gravity waits for no man? It was then it was Neil Armstrong. Mm-hmm.
on a sound stage. Got me. Beat me. Gotcha. They went to the moon.
And then they edit it in post. They literally were there on the moon and they said, Tim! Yeah. And then they got back. Bye.
How would they have gotten? At least there was a camera already docked on the moon when the spacecraft landed. They got back in their rocket ship. You two need to leave the house. Both of you.
How did they capture the landing? They throw a camera out from the fucking rocket? I don't know. Grant, call us in. We'll be doing this still in 13 years when you're in your early 40s, and then we'll talk then about all these things.
Wait, can I real quick about the moon? Oh yeah. The fact, the thing that trips me up the most is that it never rotates. We don't see the other side of the moon. And It's just perfect mathematically.
It can just block the sun. Like it's 400 times like it's perfect mathematics. I don't know that it's What If you had to place the moon in a certain spot, Precisely. to make sure the tides and everything worked. It would be right where it is.
So that's either an act of divine intervention. Or it was placed there.
Some Some find it easier to Believe in the first thing. It's called intelligent design. That's also why, I don't know if you've looked around our solar system, there's not fucking life anywhere else because we do have some pretty nice parameters here that worked out for us, that being one. careful about that life nowhere else part. All right, so there's some bacteria on Mars, sure.
Are you of the hold on? I probably shouldn't act like Bart and I are in the fucking majority on these topics when, in fact. But are we, Grant? Are you like there's no intelligent life outside of Earth, guy? No, I think there is.
I don't think it's in our solar system. I don't think there's cities built on Jupiter. That's what I'm saying. Because our planet is special. It has water.
And it's the right distance from the sun and All these things. Yeah, probably 93 million miles from the sun. You probably like that song too, you fucking hippie. It's not even what I've not even giving you hippie talking points. But anything, I'm giving you religious talking points.
Yeah, he was going to say that. Marez. Jason Moraz. I saw a tweet recently talking about how Moraz bought a what kind of farm did he buy? Like.
Massive farm of crops, some kind of thing. I gotta go. Me too. Uh grant I assume also. Yeah, it's time to go for 30 minutes.
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