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Welcome into Twinklerverse. I'm Bart Winkler. I think I had some iPhone microphone going on there. At first, you know what? Been live every day this week.
Why not go on again? It is Sunday night, January 18th. And joining me soon will be Carlos Ortiz. As this feels a little more familiar this time of the night. To talk about some of the games and recap some of the action.
NFL wild card weekend, we remember that. See, I misspoke.
Now I'm trying to clean it up. Packers lost.
So what we had now was the division around The best weekend of football, and we're going to get another good weekend next weekend. The Patriots will take on the Broncos and Jarrett Stiddum. Wow. And then the Rams. Will do the honors of going to Seattle to take on the Seahawks.
And I am not Necessarily here to gloat, if that's what you're Chiming in for Um, I I mean, I'm rooting for the Rams. I was rooting for the Rams. instead of the Bears, even though I've got many a loved one. That route for the Bears, and I think a lot of us do, but now they feel the pain. And that is typically When my team loses what I want for the other team.
I've never been. I've never been the kind of guy to. like lose to a team and then want them to continue to win. I've never been that kind of guy. I'm the kind of guy that.
You know. If I feel pain, you need to feel pain. And sadly that extends to my life as well. I was uh leaning on. a palette the other day at the grocery store like on my phone.
And then some guy like leaned next to me, and I'm like, oh, I know this guy. And he saw me at the store on my phone. This is going to be great. And it was just some other that was a worker. He's like, I need to put stuff on the palette.
I was like, and I thought in that moment there, should I just be an asshole to this guy, or should I?
Now I let him but but he made me embarrassed. And now I would like him to feel embarrassed. Short story long. On that one, I just want uh, I just, you know what? I, yeah, that's that's what I'm.
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I wish you all fired Matt LaFleur, to be honest. Falcons decided to hire Kevin Stafansky. As you know.
So an Atlanta fan. There. Yeah. I uh A lot of coaching hires have occurred, including well, ours, but that wasn't really a hire. That was just an extension for Matt LaFleur.
But Kevin Stafansky in Atlanta. Should be interesting. We're going to find out if, you know, is this a Bill Belichick situation where he? He was on the Browns and they were terrible. And then he was Bill Belichick.
And then now he's whatever he is now? Or is this going to be where, yeah, I mean, Stefansky and the Browns, but maybe Stefansky wasn't that good of a coach? I think we all think highly of Stefansky. It's no surprise that. He wanted another job and got one right away.
So I don't think we're going to be surprised about that, and we're not. But it'll be interesting to see now what he does with Michael Pennix. Junior, I think as long as he doesn't have to coach Shadur, he's fine with that. Who is going to be the Browns' head coach? Could could be Has anybody interviewed?
I see the Ravens every like seven hours, they're tweeting: hey, we just interviewed a guy. We just interviewed Al Gro or whoever the f the hell they're interviewing. I move the Browns. uh interviewed All is right in the world. Uh that's from Brandon.
With the Bears loss. Timothy says F the Bears? And Jake says Horseshoe has officially Fallen. Out of ass. Yeah.
Duo Lipa says Bill Michaels will be on site for Radio Row.
Well, he usually is. Good for him. You know, we, I don't know if we had the opportunity a couple of years ago to go. Two radio row. It was kind of like a soft.
Do you guys wanna go and then I don't know. They paint. I don't know. But I should have gone. I've never been to a radio row.
Um I should have gone Can I really call myself a radio Host If I've never been to to uh radio row. I I guess I can't. I'm just still a basement podcaster. And that is what uh Seemingly I will always be. Tim says, Honestly, I don't know what makes me happier.
A Packers win. Or a crushing Bears loss.
So again, if you guys are in the comments and want to gloat. You may. You have your own agency. I'm not in the business of looking at the Shit all over the Bears. I'm just, what I told you guys, I have to be true to what I said.
So if you want to comment that way, you can. But what I have to be true on is. I don't want a part of this rivalry.
So If I don't want to be shit on when we lose. I don't want to shit on them. When they lose.
So I'm just out of the rivalry.
Now, I did see a bunch of their fans chanting Green Bay sucks on the way in. I did tweet. At least they still have something to say on the way out. But that's the extent of it. That's the extent of it.
Carlos Ortiz putting In a long day. At Westwood One Headquarters. Joins us with the NBC microphone. What's up, man? Turn that off.
Go! Off, off, off, off, off, off. No, no, no, no, hold on, hold on. No music. Bram's music.
I don't want to get struck with copyright infringement. First of all, I know how it works. You can't have it for more than 14 seconds before you have to start paying royalties. I wasn't going to let it more than 14.1.
Well, I don't know how it works. You know better than I do. I used to work in music, so there you go. Oh, okay.
Well, it's good to have you here. You look nice. I didn't press a button. That was me. I look like shit, man.
I haven't showered since I went to the gym this morning, and I went to the gym this morning.
So I've been swallowing wallowing in my own stew for Hours, I didn't shower today either, and I got a whiff of my pits when I was taking out the garbage. Holy hell! Board. Yeah, that was uh that was bad. Carlos, and I and I do want to make this clear.
And it's great to have Carlos. We're not going to do a live on Monday. This serves as Monday. Oh, no. We did want to talk about the games at least for a little bit on the National Perspective Show, which is brought to you by our friends at Carl's Place.
Link in the comments for that. And I'll open it up to you guys here in a little bit too. Carlos and I had talked about: you know, if we're going to get together at some point this week, let's do it today. We've been talking about that throughout the day.
So, this isn't me jumping on again to just comment on what just happened and why I'm in the best mood I've been in in seven weeks, but. Carlos also was like, do we have to do this? Like, I'm not your boss. You don't have to, you can go to bed. Yeah, I waffled the entire fourth quarter.
I'm like, I'm tired. I want to shower. I got to walk my dog. I'm beat. I've been doing three shows today, which I should not be doing a third one at all.
It's so dumb. They had me babysitting the first hour for stew for no reason whatsoever. Like, it's, but it allows me to finish podcasting the other two shows that I work for.
So, but no, no, I'm happy to do this because, number one, I get it out of the way. I don't have to worry about it the rest of my week. And number two, that was a pretty compelling game to wrap up. And it's good to see you and continue our friendship. Oh, yes, of course.
Get it out of the way. Get it out of the way. Let me just catch up on some comments. Seahawks fan here. I wanted the Bears to take this one.
But the Rams and Hawks should be a hell of a game that's from Rattled One. Matt says Bears prove to actually be a good, well-coached team. Give them props. Uh as uh That being said, go pack go. Miggy.
Bart, my guy, I don't care about football right now. Glad to hear you. All right. Carrie says, Fuck the bears, Bart, you're the damn man. I totally agree with all of your opinions.
I might actually be your twin. And I believe this is our buddy Dan. Bears fans, Green Bay always has a good.
Well, you just experienced what we did a decade ago. AKA the Palmer spin move to Fitzgerald in overtime. Yeah, I get most of that. Yeah, and the Bears had another magical play. And then it was for naught.
There was an interception. Chris Collinsworth was quick to bury DJ Moore. On that one. But I think, you know, I think the world of Caleb Williams. I obviously have said enough nice things about the Bears.
I don't need to. Here But the Rams, you know, they went in there. It was cold, but they were able to get it done. They got that game, you know, shout out to the thicker kicker. You know, we put him in a tough situation there.
We took a couple of shots and we're hoping to get it done. But it's just great to see our team and that battle. We know there's a good team over there with Coach Johnson and everybody, but we're ready and we're ready to go in Seattle. And, you know, we're one step away from back to the Super Bowl and we can't wait to get in there. Your thoughts on the game.
And La Kiddo! It was a pretty good game. What the hell is his name caught it? It's in regulation. I'm over here.
Cole Komet, because I know Loveland missed the last couple of series there because I think he might be banged up. But in any case, when Komet caught that touchdown, I was like, oh, God, they're going to do it again. I almost would have thought went for a two-point conversion, but no, at that point, yeah, you take the points because they had to battle back there with a team from behind. But it felt like whoever was going to get the ball first at overtime was just going to go ahead and score. Obviously, that wound up not being the case with both teams trading series there, but.
I thought it was a really good game. I think. The results should make most football pew fans happy because now we get to see basically the pseudo Super Bowl. Which is going to be the Rams and the Seahawks, because whoever comes out of the MC is going to absolutely crush. where it comes out of the AFC.
The the Patriots are frauds and the Broncos. Really should get knocked out because I don't want to spend two weeks talking about how if Jared Stidham is going to be fucking Nick Foles and the hero that he's going to be riding in a white horse, unless they like sign Matt Ryan to come out of the Atlanta front office or whatever old aging carcass they can get at quarterback if Stiddam's not going to be the guy, even though they did sign Ben DiNucci. Former Cowboys, great. Uh, to their press made a joke online about them signing him and then they signed him. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Uh, he'll get an easy, yeah, there's nothing easier in this world than being a backup quarterback, man. If you have some semblance of an arm, you have a job, it's amazing. But no, I think it was a good game. And you know, Darry, I know this is kind of stupid to say. But the Bears had a quality loss, man.
I think they're going to be a team to be reckoned with for the next couple of years. Ben Johnson has completely turned around that program. Caleb Williams doesn't look like a bus. He looks like he can play. Uh, still a couple of errand throws he I'm sure he wishes he had back.
Um, but you know, the bears have announced themselves that yeah, they're not just lucky, they're pretty good because you know what? Good teams make their own luck. Uh, I thought it was a you know, a good performance by both teams. I'm not surprised that the Rams win, and that whole cold weather shit was way overblown. Yeah, it always is.
The weather stuff always is the only team that ever, the only, the only uh team that's ever affected by weather is Miami. They're the only ones that can't play when it's cold. Everybody else can figure it out. The Rams have won a Super Bowl, they had to go through a cold weather uh stadium in order to do it. They were right there neck and neck with the Eagles last year, yeah, they've shown they can do this, yeah.
That was the best game in the playoffs last year, too.
So, that whole cold wear weather narrative that's for the media and for fans to eat up. But uh, no, I mean, obviously, good win for the Rams. Uh, we get treated to see uh Rams Seahawks 3, which would be a good battle. And listen, again, quality loss for the Bears. I think that they're a program that's going to be on the up and up.
Obviously, they don't want to end it that way. And I feel for my uh, my friends and family that are still Bears fans, not me. I don't. Don't give a shit. You see by what I'm wearing, but no, good for Bears fans overall on a successful season, although it might not feel like it right now.
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Got to get a baseball takeout there. And then your harbaugh thoughts.
Okay. Towards the end of Carlos, I will throw out the link, and if people wanna talk a little longer. Um I've got no place to be.
So it's We can do that. Jake says, get a drift on me. That's from our friends at Happy Place Emp, but stop pretending you're not stoked. Chicago lost. Hashtag happy place hemp.
Yeah, I caught the tailwind of that. You don't want to be involved with the Packers-Bears rivalry because, you know. For whatever reason, I don't, I don't want, I'm, I'm, I don't, I don't, I don't want to. I don't want to get shit on when we lose.
So I don't, I'm not going to shit on when that's so weak, man. Grow a spine, man. 90% of sports is just talking shit. I mean, you're team, but I, I, Carlos, and that's a very big number. Carlos.
Can I talk to you offline for a second? Uh sure, everybody get out. Here.
Okay. Um I can't handle rivalries, especially with Chicago. We And after the Bears game and after the Cubs series. I had a couple too much Sodas. And I don't I'm not fond of my behavior, so I I'm just gonna step out of rivalries for a while.
Oh brother, this guy stinks! All right, let me flip us back on the Dan Shaney YouTube so we're good. Yeah, yeah, whatever. What's interesting about it is Both baseball and football. Wisconsin versus Chicago.
And then the team that won. Who really put a lot of their effort and energy into that game? I mean, you watch the Chicago News, they're still talking about. Beating the Packers on Friday. Like, I don't think these fans, they were too high.
To realize they had Los Angeles coming up the same way we were as Brewers fans. And now they've reached A similar fate. Ben with the five bucks. Bart's McVay voice is worth the price of admission. And Dan, does the Bears' loss lessen the bullshit LaFleur extension?
All right, so let's quickly do that with the coaches. I am not happy they signed LaFleur, but I can't understand. How this fan base is so divided. I saw, like, um, So Andy Herman does Packaday Podcast, and I saw he was getting a lot of shit. From people that wanted LaFleur fired.
Meanwhile, I'm getting a lot of shit from people that think I'm crazy. For wanting him to have not been extended. I wish we could just trade our mentions. Because it really like You know, they say don't talk politics. You'll alienate half your audience.
I didn't realize that. You know, saying, hey, We're not really winning with this guy. In the playoffs, was alienating half the audience, but Yeah, a lot of Packer fans do not like Uh that take and I'm not I don't know. Because then somebody was like, well, what's, you know, this is a win-win for you because either they suck without or with LaFleur and you look smart. Or they win.
And then your favorite team wins. Yeah. I'm like, I guess it is in that scenario, but I'm not looking at this like a win-win. I don't I don't care if I win. I care if the Packers win, which is why I think.
LaFleur shouldn't have been extended. Which also leads me to the possibility that I could be wrong. Yeah, no, this is exactly the same scenario that happened with me when the Giants drafted Daniel Jones.
Well, when Daniel Jones got drafted, I said the whole time, I'm like, this guy stinks. Never at one point did I ever look at the sixth best prospect in college to come out. It was a massive overreach, and I'd still stand by that. I could be just beating the drum. I'm like, If I'm wrong.
Then the Giants are going to suck. We're going to have to get another quarterback anyway, which wound up happening. But if I'm right, then my team wins. It's not a win-win situation. It's like a, all right, I'd rather be wrong because that means my team is doing well.
So you're in the same place that I am, unfortunately for you. You know, there is no fifth-year option. This is not LaFleur on a rookie deal. You kind of know who he is already. I felt like this was the perfect time for the Packers to make a move because I don't think you're going to get this many coins higher.
Yeah, there were so many people. You're telling me that's, you know, I think Stefanski would have been an upgrade. I mean, but that's just one name. There are plenty of people that were out there, other than John Harbor, which seems like that's at the Giants was a lock, and it clearly got done after a whole big bunch of nitpicking over the weekend. But you still have a bunch of quality candidates out there.
If you want to go. You know, the hot young coordinator, or maybe lure Marcus Freeman out of college. I mean, I think Jesse Minter is going to get a head coaching job. Robert Sala could get a second chance. He actually looked like he's competent.
There are plenty of guys that I think would have been a good fit. To take over for the floor, if Ed Policy really wanted to kind of put his stamp on this. I'm okay with Goudekins getting an extension. You know, he's whiffed on a couple of picks short, but every single GM on the planet has. Nobody's perfect.
But yeah, I don't understand the rationale for some of the Packers fans that are beating the drum for LaFleur because. We talk about this ad nauseum. If there wasn't an expanded wild card format. The Packers would miss the playoffs routinely. They would probably make it once in the last five years.
I don't get it, but. I guess, who are you going to hire? I mean, if. If not this year, you're probably keeping them on fluid for another three, four years because you're not going to get a cycle like this for quite some time.
Well, I think it's an interesting contrast, too, with Buffalo. Like, Buffalo is a team, and I know some people are grinding on. You know how the NFL account tweeted, you got to feel for Josh Allen. No, you don't. We got to feel like they said nothing about CJ Stroud.
Listen to Buffalo, though. Listen to Buffalo since 2020. Since 2020, The last six years, the Bills have scored the most points in all of football. They have allowed the fewest points in all of football. They have the best record in all of football.
They have a point differential of plus 902. The next closest is like plus 590.
So they've been as good as you can be in the regular season, but there's going to be a lot of calls for Sean McDermott. To be fired because he's not getting it done in the postseason. And for whatever reason, Um, that doesn't seem, and I'm not just talking about Packer fans, I'm talking about what you're going to get out of the national media. What you're going to get is people celebrating like the Jeff Saturdays and Ryan Clark, and I'm specifically thinking of Peter Schrager's, that little get up crew. They're all going to be like LaFleur, great extension, and they're all going to shit on McDermott and say he should be fired.
And I don't get. what the difference is. Yeah, I'm not sure I get that vibe anymore. I mean, you were, you know, we're still pretty fresh from the Bills' loss here, but. I think McDermott showed enough that he might have saved his job, believe it or not.
I think people are now starting to open their eyes in terms of like, all right, Josh Allen has gotten too much of a pass. I've been beating the drum that Justin Herbert just gets completely skated by because he looks like a prototypical quarterback. I think it started to put Josh Allen in that conversation.
Now, listen, I would still trade my quarterback for Josh Allen. There's no problem, no doubt about that. I still think, obviously, he is a top-five quarterback in the running for MVP discussion. He is Superman. But the thing is, It's like the team expects him to be Superman.
They have this heroic, godlike quarterback that they know, you know what? Screw it. We can make a couple of mistakes. The rest of the guys don't necessarily have to step up because Josh Allen's going to bail us out. And that's not a winning formula.
That's supposed to be your X factor, but it's like the X factor is the game plan for the Bills. I thought Sean McDermott, and you know what? Joe Brady, I'll credited him too, offensive quarter. He called a hell of a game. You know, it's just Josh Allen reverted back to some of his old ways where he was so careless with the ball, carrying it like a loaf of bread, four turnovers.
One of them was on James Cook, sure. But You don't win football games like that. I think we need to start. And we need to stop giving him a pass. As fans in the media, because that is the NFL's golden boy, and you don't want to talk anything bad about him.
And he comes to the podium crying, dude. He deserves to get dragged throughout the streets. And as for fans calling for McDermott's head, That's just frustration because they can't get over the hump. That's why Steelers fans have been wanting Mike Tomlin fire for like the last 10 years. Eventually, it just gets stale.
So, I don't understand why it hasn't gotten stale for some of these fans with LaFleur and the Packers because. It's the same result, but they're Buffalo and Green Bay. I know I'm taking a long road here. Buffalo has gotten frustrated because they've already elevated what their standard is. Buffalo was a train wreck before Josh Allen.
You know, you got guys like Nathan Peterman and E.J. Manuel as quarterback, JP Galosman.
So Buffalo never knew what it was to actually get into the postseason routinely. win division titles.
So the standard change under McDermott They haven't actually got over the hump, but that's fine because they have to remember who they were before McDermott. Green Bay has had success before LaFleur. It's not like LaFleur took over a fledgling organization and brought the Packers back from the depths of hell. They were a good team before he got there. They're going to be a good team in a good organization after he leaves.
So I don't understand why the Bill standard gets higher and the Packer standard seems to get lowered. Where it's just like, all right, it's okay just to make the postseason. We don't care about a deep run because that's what I think signing LaFleur to an extension ends. We're good just getting good enough to get into the playoffs.
Well, no argument from me on any of that, as the reels that will be posted the next few days. Um will Clarify, David in Buffalo does not agree with you. He says, no, Carlos. Josh Allen has done it all for the Bills. That's not true.
James Cook might be pound for pounds. He might be the best running back in the NFL. That was definitely in the postseason. He's better than everybody else that made it to the playoffs. Jonathan Taylor was okay, the regular season guy, but he tailed off once Daniel Jones got hurt.
Josh Allen's not playing with a bunch of YMCA guys. He's got James Cook. He's got two quality tight ends. Brandon Cooks from award. He can place left and right.
Yeah. But he's still producing. Granted, you know, it's not Stephon Diggs, but it's not like Josh Allen is playing with me and you. They got players. Defensively, they sucked.
All right. Defensively, they have been middle. You rely on guys like Matt Milano. I get it. I agree.
This is the worst iteration of the Bills since Josh Allen has been getting into the playoffs. I understand that. But this was also his best opportunity to advance into the postseason and get a Super Bowl because Mahomes is going to get healthy. Lamar's going to make it again. Burrow's going to make it again.
I had a reason why he was crying when he got to the podium because he knows, fuck, my window is closed. I might not even get to the playoffs.
Well, let's talk about that opportunity because by Buffalo not winning The Broncos are hosting the AFC championship game. Bo Nix, I saw that, I thought that was a joke. Everyone did. It was so weird that Bo Nicks, and he got hurt in like the second last play. Yeah.
And he didn't think anything of it. And then he cut, and now he's hurt to win that game. I mean, you can't win. I just, I've never, I've... We had no so I've never like Because Wentz was hurt and Foles took over, and I guess Phil Sims, right, with Hosteller Hosteller.
But this is insane. They're not winning that game. And now the Patriots is going to be playoff Herbert to Rode Texans. To Jared Stidham. And then they're going to go right into the Super Bowl.
I don't see any way. What's the lining on that going to be? 10 and a half? Yeah, I don't know what it is, but it doesn't matter. The Broncos are not covering it.
And Drake May didn't play that well either. He lost two fumbles today. The Patriots are getting five and a half right now. Only five and a half? That's insane.
I'll jump on that number now. You are giving the usually the home team gets three. They're getting six here. Yeah, that's insane. The Patriots haven't played anybody this season.
That's such a playoffs. Yeah. So Patriots are in Texans. I mean. What you, I saw a lot of people talking about Stroud today and Jordan Love around my parts.
Yeah. CJ Stroud is what people think Jordan Love is. Yeah, I mean I was famous. Jordan Love was a lot better than that. I was saying Jordan Love was like not a top 15 court, but I would take Jordan Love over C.J.
Stroud. The falloff of C.J. Stroud needs to be studied. Do you? Give him a big time extension if you're a Houston.
I don't, I can't imagine that I would. I don't know. Are you more comfortable giving Bryce Young one than Strahd? I don't think I'm paying either one of those guys. And then the Seahawks kick the shit out of the Niners.
And what is there to say about that? Yeah, there's no reason to revisit that one. I mean, if the 49ers were a mass unit, even healthy, I don't think that they were going to stop Seattle. That defense is. Flesh eating.
All right, so what are your thoughts here? On John Harbaugh. Are you like, what are? Obviously, you probably like it, but like, now, what is the immediate. 2026.
Giants expectation. With John Harbaugh on the sideline. Playoffs, no hesitation. This is a playoff roster. I've had my gripes with Joe Shane in terms of some of the picks that he's made.
I still can never forgive him. For letting Saquon Barkley walk to the Philadelphia Eagles. I don't have a problem with the Giants not retaining Barkley. I would have personally traded him. You know, you had some offers out there.
I think Arizona or Kansas City, those are some of the teams that were rumored to get for Barkley. You could have got at least a third-round pick.
So, you know, I don't think Shane is a great GM, like I said about Goodykins, like I said about anybody else. You know, they make mistakes. Deontay Banks was a massive whiff. That being said. It looks like how it's going to be structured: is John Harbaugh is going to report directly to John Mara or Chris Mara, depending on John's trading.
Why have Joe Shane? I think you have them there really, kind of like as a sounding board and just. I don't know. I felt very afraid Friday night. There were some rumblings about the deal.
Yeah, that was weird. It was odd because, you know, it seemed like, all right, maybe Harbaugh really is not going to take the job. He, maybe he's demanding that Joe Saint Joe Shane get fired, but they just had dinner together at this Mediterranean restaurant that has been business has been booming since that report came out. I actually called the restaurant today to confirm that. I'm like, hey, how's it been for you guys?
They're like, we're getting an influx of orders. I shit you not. You did like research, prep work?
Well, all right.
So one of the guys I work with at Westwood, Josh Graham, who by the way adores you for some reason, he's just like, hey, I'm going to challenge you. Why don't you call the restaurant? and and see what they tell you. And I'm like, Okay, it's not like I'm doing anything anyway.
So I called, I spoke with the owner for like two minutes, and I'm like, Hey, I'm from Westwood, man. How's it been? He's like, I can't give you a number on it, but it's pretty damn good. But in any case, um. I'm excited to see what Harball's going to do.
I think this is the most I have felt excited with the Giants. Not being hyperbolic. Probably since 2011, since their Super Bowl championship. It's that much of a great feeling. I don't care about the boat trip and when they got destroyed by the Packers a week after, or beating the Vikings.
That's right. And then, you know, because you knew when they beat the Vikings a couple of years ago in Dables' first year, they were going to get waxed by the Eagles.
So, you know, I didn't necessarily care about either of those two playoff runs. This has been the most excited I've been as a Giants fan since winning that second Super Bowl with Eli Manning. Because the Giants have been this bad. I don't even need Harbaugh. In the next five years, to take the Giants to the Super Bowl.
I couldn't give a shit about that because I haven't seen this team compete. To get into the playoffs, let alone a Super Bowl. I just need him to return this franchise into relevancy. The only thing that can make me sour on Hyreball. Is hiring Greg McRoman as offensive coordinator.
You hire him, I'm fucking done with this guy already. I don't think that he will. But it'll be interesting to see who he's going to bring in on the staff. But the vibe around here is everybody is saying Giants are back up. I personally believe the Giants do make the playoffs.
I've had people say division title. I wouldn't go that far. But to secure a wirecolor this season. That's not out of the realm of possible out of the craziness. It's going to happen.
The Giants are going to be this year's Patriots. um what the Patriots did from last year. All right, I have somebody who wants to talk to you.
Okay, I'm here. With golf clubs behind him. What a boss. David from Buffalo. What's up, guys?
How are you doing? David! You now have you on your show by now? Yeah. What's happening, guys?
Man, just getting over that loss from last night. Obviously the referees were part of it, but five turnovers, man, was was brutal. Yeah. Yeah, that's what do it. I don't feel.
I mean, I feel for you guys. I do. You know, I texted Maggie right after the game. She was the first person I thought of. She's a huge Bills fan.
I know people were pissed off about the, is it an interception? Is it not an interception? At the end of the day, it shouldn't have come down to that one play anyway. You guys had ample opportunities. They could have like looked at it.
No, 1000%. And that's why McDermott called the timeout. He wanted these guys to like take an extra look. I don't understand why they wouldn't. It's like, where the hell does the crew need to be?
Do they have dinner reservations? Like, a hot date they need to pick up. You got it now where there's conspiracies that, like, the other game was about to start. Like, you should, the NFL is so messed up and everything is so tight. And I've talked about this a lot.
That there was even a play in this Bears Rams game that was similar. It's like, very similar. Yes. But that's that's Man. Yeah, but I feel for you guys, man.
That sucked. But you're not going to win games like that when you turn the bowl over four or five times. No, absolutely not. Hold on, David. M Dad says, dude, huge shout out to Dave.
Awesome to see the national perspective. Come on into the Winklerverse. Good to have you here, Dad.
Sorry to cut you off. No, I appreciate it, man. Yeah, I think looking back at that game from last night, I mean, Josh missed. You know, a few throws that play at the end of the first half was brutal. And to me, it's all about managing the game, you know, especially on the road.
I mean, you know, Sean Payton, you know, to me is a great coach. I think that was one thing. He coached Bo Nicks up great throughout that game. The Bills made adjustments way too late on defense. At the end of the day, I mean, to me, this has been McDermott's calling card throughout his history.
He can't win these games, especially on the road in the playoffs.
Well, good luck with the offseason. Do you think he gets canned or what? I hope so, man. I'd love to see Kubiak come in from Seattle, and I think bring in a fresh mind. I've heard Cowherd talk about this a lot: say that Josh Allen is like Elloway, McDermott is like Dan Reeves.
We got to find the modern-day Mike Shanahan, in my mind. Good luck to you. David, good to talk to you, bud. Thanks for hopping on. You got it, man.
Thanks again. David from Buffalo. How about that? To the Winklerverse. Let me tell you: David does not look like I thought David would look like.
Nobody ever does. No, I guess not. What about Austin from Milwaukee? Look at this. Austin looks like I would think Austin looks like Carlos.
Oh, get the fuck out of here. What's up, pal? Hey, David, what he was talking about with McDermott. You know, get rid of the fucking coach. Waffle.
Oh my God. What the hell was the extension for? Why did they push it? No! Yeah.
Oh, Carlos, I'm missing your drops, baby. I do what I can with my eight boxes here. What was the deal with the LeFleur extension? I'm struggling to understand the reasoning behind it. Would you not think path of least resistance, Austin?
All right, so Ed Polsey just took over the Packers. What's he want to do? Go on a. Month-long coaching search, and then have people be like, Oh, did he make the right move? What the fuck?
Or does he just want to be like, Yeah, fine. People are like indifferent or 50-50 on this guy. I'll extend him, sit back, kick my feet up. Ain't nobody leaving the fucking Packers.
So hate LaFleur. You're not going to hate me. Perfect. I spent the whole day ice fishing. You know what you do out there?
You set up tip-ups, you sit and you wait for things, right? I spent the whole day waiting for things. Why are we Just gonna take LeFleur. He has done nothing for us. And he is He's just a fish.
The guy he's a fish that can't be caught. He can't, you're not gonna do anything with the guy. I don't know. I had a really good analogy, but I lost it. The guy is in the chat, I'm dead.
I am drunk. The guy is drunk! And there he goes. All right. So, okay, but nonetheless, why what good is LaFleur?
Why is it not better to just fucking have him lame duck it? Why can't you have him prove? That he deserves to be re-signed. Why do you need to extend him? There's no need for that.
Like, let what who of us or organizationally. Who cares? If he needs a contract extension. Who cares if he's a lame duck? I don't fucking care.
Does he have another year to coach for his job? I don't like that because, I mean, I get it. It sucks that, it sucks that. I wish she had two years left, because then you could just But there had to be, there has to be this. You should have just handled them like the Cowboys did Mike McCarthy.
Just let it play it out. Yes, Carlos. Just let them lame ducks are only a thing in sports.
Well, I mean, Carlos and I were lame ducks for two months. Oh, God, what a yeah, but you guys killed it, though. I mean, You did kill it, though. We wanted to kill ourselves, man. That was miserable.
That was the best radio I've ever heard in my entire life. Better than Chuck and Winkler. Yes. It's because we stopped giving a shit. Yeah.
That's kind of always been. I don't think Bart ever cared. But I care. I wouldn't be doing this right now if I didn't care. No, no, no, I I I say it with all due.
With with all dogs. Yeah. All right. All right. I am.
Like I said, I'm drunk. Yeah. Well, I'm going to move the chill. Yeah, get off of me. All right.
You're fine. Thanks, buddy. Austin. Um I got more people to talk to. If you need to go, you can go.
You've done yourself. Yeah, I'll go take a shower. Why not? Because, you know, I'm tired of smelling like gym sweat. But this was fun.
Yeah, you've done your penance. I'm off the hook for a week. I'm meeting you the rest of the week. Oh, thank God. I mean, don't be a foreigner.
Please, let's hang out. What, you wanna know what love is? Foreigner? Ah, ah.
Okay. That was a good reference. All right. Bye, buddy. Carlos Ortiz.
I think I got uh I got sound effects, right? I'm going to go out of my way. Slow the whole thing down just to give you. An applause clip. All right.
Uh Ben L. What's going on? All right, Bart. I pictured you more as a jukebox hero than a. Than anything else, you know, just that machine Fonzie style.
Yeah, what's up, Banana? What's striking you today? I was going to ask Carl Sithika, rank order, MLF, McDermott, and. Harbaugh, but alas he decided to go take a shower. What do you think, Bart?
What's your order? LaFleur's a he's not he's a fine coach. I just think he's shown what he can do. And if that's what you want, like that's what you signed up for. All them bites of the apple.
That is what it is. That sucks. Yeah. It's true, though. Is that there's a but even Like bobbing for apples at this point.
And look at all this stuff, man. Like, it is, I get it. It is really hard. To win the Super Bowl, it is really hard. The Bears have this magical season, it ended tonight.
It's really hard, but that doesn't. You shouldn't get an extension. And a raise Because of how hard your job is. You know? I don't know.
I don't like it. It's frustrating. It's like you said, Bart, it's basically Herb Cole all over again. Ben? I think.
Yeah, mediocrity should not be rewarded. Yeah. I don't like the saying, you know. Whatever the grass isn't greener, or you know who the devil that is, or whatever it is. But.
Yeah. I would have, you know, I would have liked to see you. Love, honey. Love the one you're with. Love the one you're with.
Yeah, whatever the saying is that you want to go with. I wanted Signeti. I don't, I don't. I know it's unrealistic, but I'm here just. Putting out there in the universe that maybe we would do something like that.
I would have been fine with Harbaugh over LaFleur. Uh I put McDermott And LaFleur probably in the same boat. I'd be interesting to see. LaFloor with Josh Allen. I think they probably could have done more together.
But uh Yeah, we're we're screwed. I mean We're done. For five years.
Well, it's like what we used to talk about with council before he became a trader and left us. But we wondered: does the voice get stale? It's not. Who was I talking to about this? Was it.
Oh, when I was doing the locked on Packers stuff, sometimes like fans will start to be like, We need a new guy. We want a new voice at the podium. It's not about that, it's about the voice. Inside the locker room. And you do, there's at least like, The Brewers are still never going to win a World Series, but at least the demeanor is different with Murphy than it was under Counsel.
And I don't when you're saying Signetti, it's not, oh, we want him and he'll come and he doesn't seem like he wants to, but you want more of that kind of guy. And then I say, Bart, did you go see Murphy out in Brickfield on Thursday? Last Thursday? Yeah, he was uh a few days ago at a Q and A uh hosted by Lance Allen out there.
Well I don't want to, you know, tell any tales that are out of school, but I'm doing a QA with Caleb Durbin this week. Nice. How about that? I know of someone who dated Caleb Durbin and for real? Yeah, uh for the Doc Spiders.
All right, cool. But I think kind of like the brewers, we have an identity as the brewers, right? We have a farm system. We know we can't pay guys big money. They're there for proven years, and then they go to another team.
And maybe we get like a cheerio or a prospect that's like, you're gonna pay and get the first five years out of them. But the Packers are title town and Uh We have the money like everybody else in the league. And we have the players, we don't have the coach. That's right, Ben. It's a hard cap.
Yeah. So I mean, I'm still going. I'm going to bring in Jake here too. Hot take Jake. I take Jake again.
Hey, hey. I'm I'm still um like The thing, so there's I I am I am I needed Okay, let me start over. I lost my job.
Okay. I am now. More in I'm on the fucking computer every goddamn second of the day. All right. Which I'm very terminally online right now.
Very big problem. And I am seeing the trends of things that people say to me. First of all, A lot of people love calling me the R-word. That's just like okay to stay, I guess, online with no repercussion. That is bad.
And then the other thing is. Don't like Rich. They call you Rich Bart? Yeah, yeah, that's yeah. They uh They say, if you don't like it, go be a fan of someone else.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. And that's starting to like. I was, I'm doing these videos wearing West Ham hats. I'm doing these videos wearing Sabre's hats.
I got loyalty in my DNA, my brothers. All right. Is Banana fixing an engine or something? I don't know what he's doing. Banana's getting some chip uh prestal chips, Jake.
Oh, I know. That's out of that blue bag, right? What are those kinds? I've got my dummies. Oh, that's a gummy.
Okay. I don't have anything. I have got a remote. A remote. Um I'm really disappointed that Carlos jumped off because I've never interacted with him.
And uh, he was talking, he was like heaping praise on Jordan Love, and literally, in his last appearance in the Winkler Verse, he. He was saying Jordan Love is like maybe a top 15 quarterback.
So I really wanted to grill him and ask him to name 14 quarterbacks better than Jordan Love. And then watching these playoffs has made me realize just how good Jordan Love really is because there's been some ass quarterback play in the playoffs, especially the ones that we all have a vested interest in. Guys like Caleb Williams, who, again, pretty much dog shit and gets a few miracle plays that pull up. He looked just like Jake Hutler out there, Jake. Same old Jay.
I don't know. Way more money. No, I think I think when you let him have the pocket, though, Ben, he looks like Jay. Dude, he's lightning fast. That guy has got some weed on the bottom.
All they got to do is contain him in the pocket, and he's going to throw it like that. We sacked him twice in three games. I put up Caleb's numbers in the playoffs on one of my comments there, and you can see, like, it's just awful. They didn't sack him. You can't sack Caleb Williams.
That's fine. But no, the thing that sucks is normally I'd be in a really joyous mood. And I feel like Bart did the other day after the. uh emergency winkleverse episode after a little floor Know extension was announced. We're like, I'm just kind of like downtrodden now, like it literally.
I got an analogy for you, Jake. Oh, I love it. Let's hear it.
So, any optimism you could have in football is tainted by the fact that we still have Matt LaFleur. Just like it's like, I don't give a shit what the Brewers do, the fucking Dodgers exist. As long as there's those things, it's like. Fuck. What was that?
I can buy that. Listen to this bullshit. Hey, listen to this bullshit comment. Wow, what an asshole. Day two of listening to Bart bitch about Matt LaFleur for the next five years.
Tim Shea. Oh, Tim Shea, Tim, Tim, Tim, Timmy, Tim, Tim. Fuck that guy. That's rage baiting. I love you, Jimmy.
He's either drunk or he's just rage baiting. Yeah, he's driving. He's driving. Or he's driving. Yeah, definitely driving.
He's either driving or he's at home.
So, you know, both. Sitting in his car at home. No, it's I don't think there's going to be a 2027 baseball season, guys, to be honest. If there is eight at this point. Right.
Wrap up, guys. It's good. This might be all the sports we have to bitch about Matt LaFleur. What a way to go out. Uh yeah, the The Packers in the LaFleur situation.
I just saw today, I think it was Zach Cruz that tweeted something about that. They're not expected to move on from Rich Basacea. He's either going to retire or he's going to be back.
So they're not even doing the pretend fall guy thing. Like there literally is going to be zero accountability. They're going to run it back like nothing happened.
So it's way worse than after the debacle in Seattle with Mike McCarthy, where they're, again, they just. Try to, you know, kind of play it off as a one-time thing or just a miracle thing. But no, like, not only is we running it back. We're rewarding people with contract extensions and just further cementing our place as a joke franchise. Like they are a punchline now, Matt LaFleur is a punchline.
And I had to like, I had to take a break from some buddies that I was, you know, messaging in a thread back and forth who were trying to, you know, just tow the line and carry the water for Green Bay. Where it's like, again, I got a lot of well, what would your plan be? You know, you don't even have a plan of what you would have done. I don't, I don't work for the Packers, that's not my job. But the other thing is like You can't give me a reason why they should bring him back.
Like, what is going to make him progress as a coach? I think after he's progressed. Yeah. How has he progressed after the Rodgers years? He's, I think, um, in three or four years.
57, 30, and one, Jacob. Yeah, thank you. He is literally Slightly above mediocre, he has regressed after those and Jeff Fisher. Oh, I love it. Jeff Fisher was a better galaxy.
Okay. That's a great pick, Jeff Fisher. Yeah, that's a great point, Jake, because People that are gonna say to you, Well, who would you hire? I don't know that they have an argument to keep him other than he's the one that's there. And if they throw the regular season record at you.
I think that is like.
Okay. And I know I just said it's hard to win a Super Bowl. It is, but half the league makes the playoffs. I don't understand. Why regular season record carries so much weight.
You look at Aaron Rodgers. That's not good either. His record is bad now. His record with Rogers is one thing. His record with uh post Rogers is a different thing.
And people don't separate those two things out. I hate to say Karen actually could quarterback during those two MVP years, but Look at LeFleur Posta Rogers going bye-bye those last few years. It ain't pretty. And then with Rodgers, it's like if you bitch about Rodgers only winning one Super Bowl, if you say Rodgers only won one Super Bowl with us. Du are is that Packer fan gonna say to you?
Well, yes, he did, but he won four MVPs. I don't give a fuck. I want the Super Bowls.
Well, Farvin Rogers only won two Super Bowls. You've never had someone stand up and say, a combined seven MVPs, aren't you forgetting? I don't get fucking flying fuck. It might make it worse, honestly. Like, oh, yeah, we had the best player and we still didn't make it.
Thank you for reminding me. Another thing I love was uh What was the comment? Oh, you just want to make a change for the sake of making a change. And it's like, no, we're fucking bitching your end of this shit. I don't want him to change.
I wanted LaFlor to win that fucking game and get crushed by Seattle this week. That's what I wanted. This is why Mike Dunleavy lasted so long as the bus coach. See mentality. Um If you're an HVAC technician and a call comes in, Granger knows that you need a partner that helps you find the right product.
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Yeah, I just uh It's not even the fact that they lose every year. It's the way in which they lose, in where they snatched. Defeat from the jaws of victory, they find new, creative, historic ways to lose. And every time they cut to his stupid face, he looks like he's gonna cry as it's all unraveling. And I also think I came to the realization today that This one feels personal to me because I think.
Just about everybody has like worked with a superior, someone ahead of you that has gotten promotions and special treatment for actually not doing like shit. Like they haven't done anything. And I think I take this one personally. Sh Um All right, I'm gonna wrap up. Final thoughts, Ben.
I don't On LaFleur, I don't understand how we can, like Vake is saying, progressively every season have a worse regular season and the same result, if not worse, in the playoffs. And here we are like, next year are we gonna have a are we gonna pull a Seahawks? Make a seven and nine playoff run. I don't I mean. Mm-hmm.
It's bad. I'm not excited as a Packers fan. Shit. Banana? Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Ed policy, clearly insane at this point. And I'm worried about the Packers. Yeah. Same old Caleb, as your name says, on the Dan Shaney YouTube. Sure.
My last thought. Welcome to Wisconsin, where the only thing lower than the temperature is the accountability in our pro sports and college sports. Uh fire knock rivers. Don't get me going on college. Oh, yeah.
Programming. No Bucks post-game after Bucks Hawks tomorrow, by the way. Oh, okay.
I thought you'd do a live stream of the game at noon. No, Bart's going to be breaking his TV. I know it's MLK day. I know it's MLK day. But who's going to be watching at noon on a Monday?
From People at the bar that are drinking. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Mondays.
All right, boys. Thank you. All right. Thanks, Barty. Thanks, guys.
Talk soon. Banana. Good to see you. Should we go with a little nightcap here? I'm going to wrap up, but we can go with a little nightcap here.
Ladies and gentlemen, Paul Blart is joining the show. I my thing's hold on my thing's fucked up. I don't know why I can't hear you. Connections are great. And I'm sure you can hear me.
Hold on. Tim Shea. He popped up in the little corner. And he looks like he's wearing like a coat. He's wearing a coat that looked like Mall security code.
Yeah. Commons. Good. Comes back. Do you got me?
Yeah, I don't know what happened there. What is the coat you're wearing? You look like a mall security cop. I'm wearing my McVay vest and Ram's blue. Rams blue.
Yeah, so. Tell you what, we're going to go down to McGuire's. We're going to have a couple of pints. Danny's going to hook us up real good. We're going to be the only one at the bar.
Maybe one or two other guys. Kind of drawn into the background, a couple of NPCs back there. Danny's watching probably Sports Center on repeat for the third time. Uh would be closed by now, but Tim uh wandered in. There we go.
Thank you very much. Yeah. Thank you so much. I'm playing the market. Hey, Da that opens early for MLK Day.
Do you open early for Ml K Day tomorrow? Nope, he'll be open for the national championship game, six o'clock. Maybe seven. I'll go. Set.
Okay. Set the cup five. 'Cause when I think where do I want to watch the national championship? it's McGuire's. McGuire's.
We might have room for you. Yeah, we might have room for you tomorrow.
Okay. All right, let's see how you get that velvet rope out of the closet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll I'll be bouncing. What's up with you?
What'd you do today? Sure tomorrow. I'll take IDs, check 'em hard. All right. What what did you do today?
What did I do today? What did I do today? I just watched football. Did some stuff around the house? Shoveled.
Lay some salt down. Wow, you have like a house house? Yeah. I thought you lived in an apartment. No, not anymore.
West Dallas So I had to do that. Don't need the city to come after me. You got like a mortgage and shit? Yeah. Maybe I should invite you over.
You and Lil Bart. I want to come over. You and Lil Bart for a. You and a little bart, maybe for the Super Bowl. No, I'm I'm busy that night.
I'm going to McGuire's. Oh, meet me tonight. I need the uh I mean it's late in the show. Is my c my connection bad is it? Oh, sorry, Mart.
Once again, I fear. If you're on the audio, I don't know where the fuck he's doing. What's up, Tim? I don't know. I don't know.
I don't mind how shitty it is right now because this is Winkler versus Diehards now.
So they'll put up with silence to get Tim Shea's camera and. Wi-Fi situated. I retract my last statement. Jesus Christ. Just we're we're gonna wrap this up.
No, it's three and a half years. He's number four. Just I just again, it's my phone. I need a new phone. Maybe you and I need to go get a new phone for me soon.
How how old's your phone? It's old. I've had it since back like in the brewers. Like 2016. Bart should get you a company.
2050. Yeah, Bart. McGuire says, Bart should get me a company. A company phone. Ha ha ha ha.
He's good. I'm I'm telling you to run it off. Yeah, okay.
Okay, that's cool. Oh, I can't wait to see what I can't. I can't wait. Is it like the same by the bell Zach Morris phone? No, I'll get you the uh first of all I could have my headset that I stole from Charter when I used to work there.
Hi, this is Charter. How are you? Hello, Charter. This is Farmer. Did you use your real name or did you use a fake name?
My real name. Do you want my Blackberry? Oh, Crackberry! I have one of those. How about one of these Spam Sung bad boys?
Oh, there we go. Flip phone, yeah, yeah. Those are making a comeback. Yeah, yeah. Hey, you wanna go to the Marquette basketball game tomorrow with me?
Yeah. Five o'clock. Leroy Butler cookbook I have in this look at this box is all my collectibles. Collectibles of what? Junkin'.
Here's a holiday in brochure from the 90s. Look who's playing shuffleboard. Yeah. You and me, Bart. Me.
Um Yeah. Anything else good to show you right now? Yeah. Mm-hmm. I think that's it.
That's what I'm comfortable showing you right now. Oh, here's a drawing of the United States I made. It's United States, man. Look at him. That looks like oh, okay.
That looks like Danny. Oh, never mind. His earrings are His earrings are Alaska and Hawaii. And soon he'll draw in Greenland for the hat. Hey, do you like me coming at you at Twitter?
Today, you know. Yeah, what a bitch.
Well, maybe if you like listen to the entire you respond to my radio station. Saying, does every guy does every person wear a A Bears jersey. Maybe if you listen to the entire show, it was a bet. That they made. Yeah, I'm fucking spending my days listening to ESPN Madden.
while a bunch of teenagers talk football. Why do you Then why do you even tweet a response? Plan. Or how What's the response? Here's the pamphlet I was in from my ninth grade play, Groovy, a musical tribute to the 60s.
Two nights. I'm going on Okay. Look at that date. But Sure. 1999.
I was a eighth grader in 1999. Winkler proud to represent Fond du Lac in All-Star Games.
Okay. Congratulations. Congratulations. Here I was wanting to talk, wanting to talk serious, and now you're. Pulling out all your All your memorabilia.
What the fuck are you doing to me? I just don't like how you're going to just shit on the Packers now for the next. Five years. Jason says I need to save this abomination and open Yeah. Of old cards.
Will this 1990 pro set do the trick for you? All right, I'm opening this and then we're done. This was the emergency one. I was never going to open it because it's my favorite. Set Hey, go ahead.
Okay. Well, you're down in the Racine tunnels with that audio. We have Who's that? Gary Zimmerman? Joe Montana Pro Bowl.
Jerry Gray. Throw ball. Yes, Rick. Thank you, Rick. I can send them to Carlos.
Sean Gale Bears. Robert Del Pino. For three. Leslie O'Neill. Mm-hmm.
Okay. Byron Evans, Eagles.
Okay. Yeah. Uh Reggie Roby. Keep that one. Oh.
Dennis Gibson.
Okay. Mike Ken. Mike cannot play football. I never heard of him. Come on.
Go on. We cannot believe Second. All right. Ooh, Piercy Snow, Michigan State. Willis Pegues.
I've never seen this card. And I collected that. I hope you pull a Yeah. Lamar Lathan, he was good. Yeah.
Roger Staubach. Yeah. Ooh, and Win a trip to the Pro Bowl. Do you think I won? It's a scratcher.
And It says try again. All right, thank you all for being here for that. Tim is gone. He just left.
Some could say he left maybe 15 minutes ago. All right. Uh later this week. That I know will come out Tuesday afternoon. When do the Bucs play again?
Oh, we could do uh we could do a Well All right. How about we'll tentatively talk after Buck's Thunder? What does the score have to be? They got to be within. They got to be within 20 in the fourth quarter on Wednesday night.
An 8:30 start at Fiserve. Jesus. Man. Anyway. Uh chant green base sucks all you want.
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