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I'm Bart Winkler, Grandpill's full mouth of food today. What's on the menu? It looked good. Mm-hmm. Mutukis.
Just carrot sticks, that's all. Grant did the awkward Kevin Burkhart look to the camera. And hummus. TB, what are you thinking down there, TB? Um Paul Imig.
As well, all live and visible on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream. If that's how you choose. To ingest this content. We are And I I guess I could say now, but I'll have a graphic next week. Um Mm-hmm.
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One of the gooder of buddies. All right. Um. I don't know if you guys heard, I got fired. Yeah.
Paul, you said you have topics. I have lots. How many can we get to? Let's see. Let's go.
A little lightning round. And also, a belated Merry Christmas. And uh And happy new year to you both. And happy new year. Thank you.
And to everybody else out there, and programming announcement. Programming announcement. Um Sunday's Packer Live Show. will be not after the Packer game. I'm not getting on the YouTube to talk about this fucking game.
I will get on after we know what the NFC seatings look like, and we can talk through the playoffs. Yes.
So I'll do a live around 6.15 on Sunday. I am not jumping on on what is Without question. The worst possible window of football all season. The first window in week 18 where none of the games matter. You're saying from noon to six central?
No, just the first block. Noon to three. Yeah, in the afternoon, we know there's some games that... Although there's the intrigue, are the Falcons potentially gonna Screw over Tampa? Although, can you screw for Tampa when you've lost?
How many have they lost in a row? Like 100? Seven of eight, right? The hell got into them. Their head coach got into that.
Are we starting Clayton Toon? Mm-hmm. I think so. All right. But what do you got?
I actually I'm I'm actually legit bummed for him that Bo Melton had a pass go through his hands. And like, now, if you look at Clayton Toon's NFL statistics, it's like, oh, for one, one interception. It's like, that's. That sucks. That's not fair.
He does not deserve that. There's other teams he could have signed with. I mean, that's kind of like he. You look around your building and you ask other employees, and you're like, So, how is it like working here?
Well, we throw. We don't know what Bo Melton is, wide receiver or cornerback, so we kind of make him do both, and he's not good at either. And be like, all right, I'll drive down the street and give them my resume. But did you not, sir, did you not just draft a wide receiver in the first round inst to so presumably you wouldn't have to play Bow Melton at wide receiver? I thought you told me you did that.
Oh, I got a uh Quit your bitching. On a reel that Horvot and I did about Matthew Golden seven weeks ago. Yeah. Facebook is where it's at, man. Facebook, they keep you in population.
YouTube's like, hey. Your reel lives for 45 minutes. Get the fuck out of here. And Facebook is like, oh, there's people coming on Facebook to talk about Matthew Golden.
Well, where's that Matthew Golden reel those guys did? And they put it back in. Nice. Awesome. Facebook.
Zuck. I knew that bastard would come in handy someday. You know, one time I went to a bar with some of my buddies. And you you did that? Yeah, and the guy.
Um How did he oh, he posted on his Facebook comment The name of the bartender. 'Cause he clearly went to Facebook to look at pictures of her. Oh. After he got home.
Okay. It's a funny story if you know the characters. Yeah. Was this a packer road trip?
Now No.
Okay. Was it in La Crosse? Uh no. All right. Grant, you do sound different than usual, by the way.
Your voice, your uh your microphone or whatever. Better or worse? Is something wrong? Different. A little tinny, maybe.
Maybe your mic input is a little different. Check, check, check, check, check, check, check. I'll fuck around with this. You go ahead, Paul. I'll fucks around.
Tim? Jim? Tim? That was the 455 to 508 mark, Tim. All right.
I have not consumed Bart sometimes purposefully because I like to not know all of your opinions. I like to not know Grant's opinions on something.
Sometimes it happens just because.
Well, and I don't have a show for you to consume nationally. I didn't even listen yet to your thoughts game. Yeah. Though though I did get pictures from I got pictures from a friend Okay, that's of his dad watching you on his dad's T V after the game. He's like He's like a zoomed out where he could see you on the TV, and then his dad on the couch watching you on YouTube.
So that's the most that I consumed of it.
So I say this some of this Very cool. I say some of this not knowing exactly how you guys might feel about these things, and some of the discourse that's happened because of the holidays, and me finally maybe not being horrendously sick. It was Yeah, there's new COVID. People aren't talking about it. We were officially influenza A in our house.
can confirm. Cap mechanics prevent the Packers from contemplating a situation of trading Jordan Love and restigning Malik Willis. Shout out to Ken Ingalls on that part of it. But. If LeFleur is given an extension, And dead cap wasn't an issue.
Again, we play hypothetical games, right? You would seriously explore this. trading love and resigning will with the big caveat. If LaFleur was still the head coach. The Interpretation being I might opine.
that Willis is a More of a LeFleur quarterback, potentially opens up his run first offense in different ways. But that's not the case, but I just want to explore the idea. LaFleur is given a one-to-four-year extension this offseason. He shouldn't be. But And then you could trade love, you can't.
I just want to know what you guys would do. If this was like, if you could just Paint outside the lines. Um If LeFleur's given extension and dead cap wasn't an issue, you would seriously explore the idea. of trading Jordan love. and resigning Malik Willis.
Bart.
Well, Matt LaFleur and Malik Willis, I'm sure, could run a good offense together. And do. Yeah, and and they they they're more than willing to do that any fucking where else. Uh other than Green Bay.
Okay. I am in a group chat with some buddies, and we were arguing about. He's like, Malik Willis is better. I go, no, he's not. He's like, well, he's good.
Yeah, he's playing well. He's definitely good. He's good. Is that better than Jordan Love? He's not he's not even close to being better than Jordan Love.
Let me just interject and just because I figured you were going to say what you said to some degree. How close is it in that LaFleur's offense? I'm not saying love is not. Two notches above Malik Willis on the grand scheme of. insert random quarterback into random offense.
In Matt LaFleur's offense, how negligible is the difference in your opinion? It would seem like Matt LaFleur is able to bring out the best in Malik Willis. Mm-hmm. While he also Limits what Jordan Love can do. Bizarre.
And I agree with you.
So he is good for The goose, but not the gander. It doesn't work, but I had it on the tip of my tongue. Also, Grant is giving looks.
So I'm curious. I just don't understand how you're drawing that conclusion. I don't know how you can say Jordan Love's having an incredible year. Look at the offense, look at the EPA per play and all the things. He's third in the MBA.
I don't even know what EPA is. But also, his coach is holding him back. I don't get that. You well grant I we I don't want uh Okay, let's indulge for a moment. Grant, Malik Willis.
This is the absolute. Matt LaFleur has brought out the absolute best version of Malik Willis possible. I don't even think we've seen enough to say that. I think we've seen enough. I have two.
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So, Granth, and the part B is Matt LaFleur has brought out the best in Jordan Love. Or mm-mm. The best version. I think so. Really?
Okay, I guess I should. How good do you think this guy is? Do you think he's like prime Tom Brady? How much better do you think Jordan Love would be with a different coach? I guess I'm just a little confused.
I don't know what consensus is, but I think I've seen enough to say: here's what I'll know. I got it. The Cowboys game this year, the Steelers game this year. There are obviously examples where, like, uncapped Jordan Love. Is elite, not good, not great, elite.
Those games. you know our are why he's considered. in the in the extra line of QBs that he is. But there's a lot of games, the Carolina game, the Cleveland game, like there's been several too, where it's just like. Yes, Matt LaFleur runs a run-first offense, and that's his deal.
But it it Doesn't I don't think that that is The Jordan love that Under a different offense. I don't know, but go ahead, Bart. You could take your EPA's. And stuff them in a sack, mister, because This is what people And I'll do this once again. I mean, it is getting tough to always be this guy, to have to be this guy.
But I will Say and put into words what people are unable to say. when they say Malik Willis is better than Jordan Love. For he is not. What are they trying to say? What they are watching, Paul.
Is they are watching Jordan Love. Who When he plays, it seems like something's holding him back. And we attribute that to Matt LaFleur. But it seems like something is. Maybe he's being too cautious, or maybe he's not making the right decision.
It seems like there are some restrictions. On Jordan Love, whether that's the coach or that's in his own brain. When we've seen Malik Willis play, Things seem more free. He's running around. He's got the confidence that he can do this.
Malik Willis seems. Loose where Jordan Love plays. Tight. And people are watching that and saying, I'd rather watch the loose way, for it will attribute. To wins.
And I'm saying we haven't won yet with him this year. And then people are saying, Well, are you saying Malik Willis cost us the game? No. But if you're gonna simp for this guy, you know, we gotta have some wins at least. Love plays in a way that seems tighter.
Malik comes in and it's a little more loose. And so people think that Malik Willis is better. than Jordan Love. What he is now. The I s uh I agree with that statement.
Um I just don't know if under LeFleur specifically How big the gap is. I would argue that LeFleur's potential, or love's potential, excuse me. Even though he's already was, at least pre-endry, a top three MVP caliber guy, like, how much more do you want, right? I think, Grant, that's a fair point that you could make, as your eyes just showed us, but like, Willis would be interesting with a full season. And the reason I wanted to come at it with this angle, right, because.
Ken Ingalls rightfully is out there telling people like. This isn't going to happen. And here's the math that explains why this isn't going to happen. Even if it was a great idea. And trading love and signing Malik Willis was the best thing for, it still isn't going to happen.
Because of the cap works of it. What I just wanted to explore is. In a LaFleur offense, if LaFleur is extended, we'll get to that. momentarily. You could get, if this was the NBA, you'd get a first-round pick for Jordan Love.
So Do you rather have Jordan Love. In the LaFleur offense, where Malik Willis is now gone for a comp pick in the 2027 draft. Or, Do you want a first round pick in the 2026 draft? Because you traded love. to a team in the teens, let's say, you signed Malik Willis for 30 a year, 35 a year to be your starter.
Grants giving bug eyes. I think that's what he'll Packer fans don't want Love at 55, but they'll take Malik at 30. I think that so but that's what A cornerback that sucks. A guard that can't play? What are we doing with this money?
But again, again, I want Jordan Love to be the quarterback for the next 10 years. I do too. And he's good enough to. He's definitely good enough to. And I don't know why Packer fans don't like him.
It is they won't like them. And I think sometimes he does feel like he plays tight. And I think that they don't like it. And I also. think that Rodgers was so Focused on not throwing interceptions.
That now Packer fans think interception is the worst thing that could possibly happen in this world. They happen. But Rodgers would not throw picks. He'd take sacks sometimes. And that's fine because he's not throwing a pick.
Well, now, if Jordan Love takes a sack not to throw a pick, it's not fine because a sack's the worst thing in the world. Jordan Love gets none of the benefit of the doubt. that any Packard quarterback has been given. You go back and watch Fav, like in a just pull up any Favre game and watch it.
Now, and you're like, what is this motherfucking guy doing? Why? We just gave the ball away for no goddamn reason. Roger, we've just, we, we, we idol fav and we worship Rogers, and we are so critical on love, so overly critical on love. Yeah.
That a guy comes in. and plays a good three quarters. And we're ready to blow the whole thing up. And then, well, you paid him $55 million. Uh based on nine games.
All right, well, if the contract was due now, you'd still pay him $55 million. You're not not paying him. Yes, correct. He's the quarterback. Of the Green Bay Packers.
And he's a good one. And to go from Favre to Rogers to this. You should be counting your lucky stars. Fav to Rogers, love to Willis. I mean, Fav, Rogers, love Willis.
I think that's a good idea. I just, Willis has looked awesome. I think he looks. I don't even know if he looks loose. I think he looks more dangerous in this offense because he can run and Jordan Love can't.
And this team cannot run. Like, that's the only place they can get a rushing attack is from the quarterback, and Jordan Love can't do it.
So, that's a part of it. I think Malik Willis gives something specific to this Packers team that Jordan Love doesn't. I also am just of the belief, and you can disagree with me if you want on this. I'm also of the belief that if you gave Malik Willis 17 starts, he would not look like he's looked at all 17 of them. Like, I just don't believe he's that player.
And maybe he goes somewhere and he does that. I just, I would not. bet on that. I think he's had a couple really good appearances between the last two years.
Well, I think that partially goes to what I asked earlier, which was Is this Max level. Malik Willis. There's like he he You've seen his ceiling and his hey There's nothing wrong with that. Like he's a he's going to start somewhere next year, right? Um I just think it's interesting to NBAify the topic and think.
Okay, clean cap sheet. Again, which is not the case. It's not a clean cap sheet. Do you would you would you Get rid of your point guard. Your 28-year-old point guard in exchange for your 26-year-old point guard.
At a difference of you know, a 50% discount. If that younger, only by a couple of years, but cheaper point guard is 70% of the player. for only 50% of the cost. And in the meantime, you get a pick. for the previous starting point guard, love.
Like, if you think about it, like that pure NBA form, and you don't have dead cap and all the other technicalities of an NFL spreadsheet that are. a lot to digest. Would you do it? I bart your answer still clearly regardless. Mm-mm.
You're regardless. Sure. Grant, do you have an answer to that? Like, if you had the, which is not the case, let's just be, let's just overstate it. But if it was the NBA version of this where you can.
Get a first for love, and you can pay Willis 60% of what you were going to pay love. Are you doing that? Mm-mm. No. Okay.
Okay, no, I think I think Gloves are really good, and I think Willis has played really well. Like, I'm not gonna look at anyone and tell them that Willis wasn't awesome on Saturday. We all think Malik Willis is good, and all of us were watching Saturday night cackling at the TV because, even like, there's not a Packers fan in the world that's like, I actually sucks. There's no one who, but we all agree on this thing that this guy's good. And we all sat back and watched on Saturday and we're laughing because, like, what is this mother?
How's this motherfucker doing this? Yeah, I mean, it's really amazing. I just I would not expect him to be that player over a 17-game sample, and I think Love is really good. I'm excited uh as as an NFL viewer to find out next year. Again, it won't Be necessarily in the same offense.
I guess we'll find out where Malik Willis ends up.
So, Bart, I'm going to pivot to a related one here before you venture us off a different path. I'm going to name you four people in the Packers organization. And I'm going to say over under that two and a half of those people are still with the Packers next year. But Jordan Love, Malik Willis, Matt LaFleur, Brian Gudekinst. Those are four current People within the Packers organization.
We'll make love out of there. No, no, no, just go with me for a minute. Jordan Love. Just play with the story, would you? More than two and a half.
Make it the other three guys in one and a half. Whatever.
However, you want to think about it. Why is Jordan Love in there? For the fun of the conversation and the discourse, and so you can make some Zuckerbucks. Paul asks the questions here. All right.
Let's respect the sanctity of how this works. Listen, when you go viral on Facebook and you make seven bucks on this. Because you said Jordan Love as part of the question. What do I need to go viral? Like, what's the number?
Of views to get Money, I don't know. Grant, you've had some.
So, like, what would you say? Your tweet went viral. Didn't you have one a half a milli the other day? I'd granted. I saw it.
They've had a couple. You need to do some pretty hardcore numbers to make money. I know, but I had a tweet go like half a million. That doesn't mean it's viral. I think it is.
I think when it's about Wisconsin sports, 500,000 views is. Viral. Oh, everyone was shitting on my LaFleur. That's a great comparison to Ryan Day. Ryan Day got bailed out by the expanded playoffs.
I do want to talk about the seven seed thing. And you can maybe even reference it in this question. Just for the, just go with it. Ready? Under.
Love, Willis, LaFleur, Goudekinst. Over under two and a half of those four people will be at the Packers next year, you would say it's. Over two and a half. The Packers are going to lose in the first round, and LaFleur will be fired. He will have lost five games in a row.
They are going to get defucking destroyed this weekend, by the way. This Minnesota team can go nine and eight. They want it. Mm. What are we even playing for?
A lot of Packers players after the game on Saturday said they have a lot to play for. Not that you would have known it watching, but they all said it. I don't think a Packer should be interviewed the rest of the fucking season. Not especially LeFleur. Not well media trained, you say?
This motherfucker comes out in these press conferences, like, oh, we gotta do this, we gotta do this. From fucking do it. Why do you sound like a child? Why do you guys get bent out of shape about press conferences? There's so many reasons to shit all over.
You are in, you are a pig and slop right now with so much good anti-Mat LaFleur ammo, and you're bending over over a press conference. Like, Bang him on the goods, the stuff that matters. Who cares about that? Is not a dumb person. He is a smart guy.
I would agree. But he can't translate that to being a good coach. I mean, I think he's a good coach. It doesn't matter. Is he The three-word thing he needs to be.
Is he an L O N? Is he? Is he a leader of men? 'Cause it doesn't seem like he's a leader of men. Is Jeff Happily?
He is not a lom. Matt LaFleur's M's showed up on Saturday. With a with a backup M. Jeff Haffley's unit took the night off. And I'm told that that's a leader of men, Jeff Hafley.
Listen to his press conferences. His defense has gone to shit since week 11 or 12. Lafleur knows what to do. He doesn't have the belief to do it. He's a bad coach.
He's been coach. I think he's a good coach. I will answer. I think. Under two and a half.
Okay. If that's what you're asking, which would mean Willis is gone, Goody, or LaFleur is gone. My bet would at this moment in time be Love and Goody are back, and that is it.
So I will go under. I think LaFleur is a good coach, and I feel for him because if he had a fully healthy team, I. I think they could have been the best team in football. See, it's part of the situation. Hold on.
Now that's the rub. I have something to say on that too, but go ahead. Mad LaFleur. Has seen a lot of injuries this year. Mm-hmm.
Micah Parsons, Tucker Kraft, to name the big ones. Mm-hmm. So Am I supposed to sit here? And say Matt LaFleur should be fired. But he had to deal with these injuries.
Do injuries save your job necessarily? When we are watching an organization. In the box That have had injuries in the postseason the last four years. and still nuke the whole thing every year anyway. Mm-hmm.
So I'm curious to see what the Packers do when they factor that in. You know what? I am going to change my answer and say over. Wow. Yeah.
So he's gonna so LaFleur is gonna get the injury pass. Mad Lafleur. is going to get A three-year extension. Along with Brian Goudekins. Yeah.
And it will come. The week after the Super Bowl. Simple. Pretty quick then. Mm-hmm.
All things considered. And Ed policy is going to say. I've been in this building. These are two leaders of men right here. And these guys, these are two guys who I couldn't be prouder to be working with these guys.
I was gonna say, you started with the accent, then you killed it right away. I was like, what is this? Commit, commit to me. Like, if I learn one thing from my dad. It's that you don't change boats midstream.
Hmm. And we got two damn pretty good vessels right now. And it got dinged up a little bit. You know? We lost a little bit of the sail.
We had some problems. On the port side, which is left because it's both got four letters. And then the other one is what? Wait, don't tell me, port. Stern bow port.
Starboard. Starboard. I'm a starboard. All right, so you've changed your answer. Yeah.
I could see that happening. And if that happens, I'll be honest. I think before it got fired, guys, God. One, two, three. Yeah.
Three seconds. And also, Bart, I mean, if LeFleur is fired. Who are you going to get to replace with? Who are you even going to get? Who are you going to get?
I will say, Paul, I want you to go on this. I can see that happening, Bart. and i wouldn't even be that mad i'd be like okay i don't think there's a perfect choice I don't think injuries should save his job. Because I I think a lot of the bad losses this year and the signs that maybe you should move on are independent from injuries. Those losses to Cleveland, Chicago a couple of weeks ago, that wasn't a loss because of injuries.
That's a loss because your team couldn't make the three or four plays they needed to make. And that's been a thing going back to. Pre before the pandemic, if you can believe it, like that's separate from this year.
However, if the pandemic feels like it happened 20 years ago and also last week, if But my point about the injuries is: if I was Matt LaFleur, like, I'd be pissed. I'd be like, God damn it. Like, It would not sit well with me if I guess put it this way: Malifleur could get fired, and I think it would be valid, but he would also be valid to think I really would have loved to shot with a healthy team. You know what I mean? Like, I guess that's why I bring up the injuries.
So, a couple of things. And it's something you actually said going back several minutes ago, but it was. Early season Dumb stuff. That put the Packers in a position where it's like you had all your healthy horses. Yeah, yeah.
That's a good point, too. Yeah, yeah. You blew some games. Most notably, I mean, I think The 13 to 10 loss to the Browns is terrible. Um It's not on the offense that the Cowboys put up 40 in what became a tie.
Um But like. I'm trying to remember exactly when Kraft got hurt because the Panthers game that they beat Green Bay 16 to 13 was November 2nd. I think. The Carolina game. That was the game he got hurt in, right?
So it's like you had I don't know. If you say, like Bart, to your point, if he ends up ending the season on a five-game losing streak, LaFlor does, if that happens. That would be injury-related for sure. I think, even like though, though Devontae Wyatt doesn't merit the same level of Tucker Kraft or. Ah, Grant gives a look.
As Tucker Kraft or Micah Parsons, Devontae Wyatt is not in that class. But I think if we were to list, you know, two months ago the 10 most important Packers, we did a top five not that long ago. I think Wyatt's on that top 10 list. You know who's on the bottom ten is fucking Rashawn Gary.
Well, Grant, you can take a victory lap on that at some point if you want. You would earn that.
So, here's what I would remind people. I think part of the discourse that I see. About LeFleur, and Bart, you're typically part of it somehow because people are always responding to you in regard to it. We people say, or even, you know. The built-in backstory when someone says, You're gonna fire LeFleur.
You don't know ball if you're going to fire the foot. The emphasis I want to put on all of it. is you're not It's not the difference between Firing a guy with four years on a contract. or resign, like, you know, like. This is They are the Packers are potentially two games away, two weeks away.
From a point at which you have to go into the lame duck season. or you are extending him. I know we've said this. I think Bart, your audience knows this, but it bears repeating. When you're firing Matla first.
Yeah. Bears still suck. When when when you Go into that situation of the offseason of Ed Lame Duck, which we know Ed Palace isn't going to do. You're not choosing between firing him and keeping him. You're choosing between firing him or extending him.
I think that distinction is really important. You're not deciding between firing and keeping him, you're deciding between firing him and extending him. Even the biggest LaFleur backers. One do you Hey, someone's listening and likes Matt LaFleur.
Someone might be love Matt LaFleur. I like, I know you do, but you don't ask you then, even though I don't think you're as hardcore as some, not even close, but like you're ready to extend. Matt LaFleur? Like, let's say the season peters out like it seemed it's going to, in that scenario. And we've not seen, even if they do lose those games, do they look good doing it?
I don't know if that's even. a moral victory that anyone would care about, but like If it was right now and he had to make a decision to fire LaFleur or extend LaFleur, again, keeping him is not an option. Let me just keep Matt LaFleur is not an option. You're extending him or you're firing him. Go.
We've often wondered at the Different points of the season. What is it going to take for Matt LaFleur to keep his job? And the answer has been Super Bowl or NFC Championship. Mm-hmm. I think if they win one game, he's staying.
I kind of do too. One playoff game. You go to Chicago and you beat the Bears, you're safe. You're safe. Yep, especially with yeah, because of the and that's you know, that's that's That's going to be fine.
Like, I think if they're 2025 season. playoffs. Is similar to 2023, right? You go on the road to Dallas. upset when And then even if you should have won the next game, a la two years ago, but Don't.
I still think that with no Parsons, with no Kraft, all the other things happening on the team. I do think he'll the Bears victory and then the competitive Second round game. If he can get him if you can get him into Chicago and win that game. He's fine. He's cool.
I don't want to want LaFleur to be fired. I don't think Ed Policy does. I think Ed Policy would love to extend both. I think that was probably his hope coming into this year. Right?
I think that would be a significant thing. At the time, it was like partially, at the very least, like a motivational tactic of like. Yeah, I mean, I don't do lame duck seasons, but also I'm not extending you now. Wink, wink, go have a great season. What if Ed Policy had just kept this shit to himself or no one asked him about it?
Like, are we doing this LaFleur check-in every couple of weeks? Oh, yeah. You think we're doing this? I still think we would bring it up. We'd say, well, he's going to be a lame duck.
But I think knowing that his, so I didn't mean to walk into this, knowing that his policy is what it is. Oh, Jesus Christ. Didn't even mean to, but I was trapped. And the only word I could come up with was policy. I think knowing that that's his official stance.
Thank you. That was a sense of. How are you someone whose name is policy and you get into policy? It's a South Park character. When I first learned of this guy, that was my first thought.
Moon Mr. Red Policy running the fucking team. She's this. Knowing that's his stance, that he's on the record that that's his stance. His policy.
I think did frame this in a different way. To your to your point. Who's the brewer that was what was his name? Oh, Grant Balfour. You gave us no context.
Yeah, but how do you pitch when your name is Ball 4? You fucking be a hitter if you want to play baseball. And you're speaking of interesting last names, Bart. In Home Alone. The Guy who, one of the two people at the police station, the Chicago Police Department, that Kevin McAllister's parents call.
He says, this is Balzac. How can I help you? Were they just trying to be like, were they just The guy's last name is Captain Balzac. Balzac. They're just like, like, who's going to catch this in 1991?
Is anyone going to be like, hey, did you notice that in Home Alone, the guy's last name was Balsak? Can I ask you guys a question? Yeah. Yeah. Do you think that Now this is too vain.
This I have n this could go I have no idea where this it's probably gonna I think that I have. Said a lot of the Packer conversation this season. Mm. I have Maybe it's maybe you're just in my algorithm. I think a lot of things.
can be attributed to me getting You know what I don't understand? Is I'm on the air for two hours every day by myself. And I feel like most days I come in, take some calls, some Packers takes, and then I go home, and for the most part, it's done. You tweet one thing, and you're fucking in the trenches over it for a week. Like, I don't understand how you operate.
Like, people just go nuts after people, and that's what I'm trying to figure out: do they not like the message or do they not like the messenger? Both. Yeah. I liked your tweet the other day when you're like, people don't like me. And the guy is like, people don't know you.
And your response was, they don't like what I represent or some shit. And then they then go, they don't know you enough to know what you represent. I go, they hate that too. Yeah. It's funny.
It is fun. I also do think, Bart, if people don't know you well. it would be very easy to assume or interpret that you're Clickbaiting or you're rating. I come off clickbaity, even though I am not. No, I know.
But I think that's why when you have your audience that knows you. They know, like Grant and I know, that that's not what you're doing. But I mean, that's completely changed the game. It's changed the game. People see it.
Here's my last related question on this. It's all people watch. We've still got many soldiers that watch this. Every week, and I love it. I just, I really, I love you guys.
Where the this is this the podcast doesn't happen if you guys aren't 35 minutes into us, you know, fucking around. But uh the main way that people consume content is reels. And that's why I focus on them a lot. Here's my last related question on this. I watched like all of young Sheldon on Reels.
And I don't even like the edits are awesome. I don't even like Big Bang Theory. You don't not like the mall lay it down at the fucking Backstop whatever she had going on in back of that washer-dryer gambling center. I'm like, I couldn't get enough of Annie Potts. Oh, it's Annie Potts.
And then I'm looking up pictures of her as a 20-year-old. I want to see what she looked like growing up. Not that growing up. All right. The Tim, 36.
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I think Avengers Doomsday is going to be fucking terrible.
Well Our household disagrees, at least two of us. I'm worried about it. We're stoked for some Doctor Doom. Also, stranger things. What the fuck?
I'm not caught up yet. Stranger Things season five is like.
Someone Is Second Hand Telling You Stranger Things Season 5? That's all Christmas Day was on Netflix. It's just one big infomercial for that show. I've never seen a minute of it. Yeah, they had all those elevens at the Ravens game.
I did see that clip. Before it went viral. What's the callback? Yeah, to earlier, Michelle, callback is when you refer to something. Earlier in the show, Paul worked in TV, not everybody watching.
or listening worked in TV. Thank you for the explanation. Yeah. So wait wait, is it bad, season five, or are you just saying the the discourse is whatever? Season five I was in volume one came out on Thanksgiving.
And I'm like, okay. And then volume two was a letdown. Is it done, or is there something left? And then there's the finale on New Year's Day.
Okay. But They're It just feels like they. I forgot a lot of what they've established.
So, were you a Game of Thrones guy?
Sounds just like thrones, yeah. Yeah, no, I wasn't and I won't be. I mean, it was really as if. Like, you know, a different writing, a different writing team, a different showrunner. It was.
You know, maybe the actors and the people who worked on it. Tried to convince himself at the time or since that, like, actually, I think that people were too hard on it. Like, no, they weren't too hard on you. Like, it was, it was as if someone who didn't know the universe. It would be like back in the day, like.
Raw would bring in a new writer or SmackDown would bring in a new writer. You know, years and years ago. And then it'd be like, oh, like, I don't think they know about the problem. And all of a sudden, like, CM Punk and Rollins are tag teaming together and shit. And then you'd find out, like, some of these folks would do interviews, you know, post.
WWE writing career, and they'd be like, Oh, yeah, I actually didn't watch anything prior to getting hired. It's like, okay, we were right. Anyway, sorry for that. Tangential. I want to give you an analogy that you're either going to resonate with or you're going to disagree with.
But to me, it made a lot of sense. We talked a lot. about brewers bites at the apple. No, this is not a brewer's topic. The Packers have made this New?
Imaginary? didn't exist that long ago. Seventh seed. Hold on.
And we're talking about the possibility that the Packers bring back Matt LaFleur. And keep the status quo right like we you know whether you say over under on the two and a half, you know, if it's LaFleur is brought back and Goudekins is brought back and of course love. Um If the Packers keep the status quo, I'm going to argue and I'm going to say, do you like. That whether or not you agree with it. If the Packers bring back LaFleur without some magical playoff run forthcoming, The Packers are a worse version.
of the bites at the apple brewers. I'm going to just go first. And say in that scenario, regardless of your opinion. Person listening's opinion of the seventh seed thing and Bart going on his tangents and having his online fights about. The seventh scene, if people disagree with it, that seed.
He's agenda-setting, he's not fighting, Paul. Right, he's agenda setting, he's setting his own narrative and he's sticking to it. But I'm going to miss me when I'm gone. But I want to be clear that, like. If you And you know, we can put the asterisk with the injuries.
I'll remind people again. You're either firing good against Or you're extending him. You're either firing LaFleur or you're extending him. Those are your choices. perhaps as soon as two weeks from now.
I'm going to argue defiantly, mm-hmm. that this would be far more bites at the Apollo E. Because you're saying, no, like the progress has been steady. It's been good. Like, they keep making the playoffs.
Like, sure, they're the seven seed, but like, there's been circumstances as to why. Excuse, excuse, excuse. If this is enough to get a GM, and a head coach both extended. If this recent run in Title Town. is enough to get the two most prominent.
People in the organization extended, not kept. Extended. That is as bites at the apple as bites at the apple can bites at the apple.
So I'm going to say mm-hmm. Yeah. Thanks, Brad. I do think there might be a little more variance in the NFL, though. Then than Major League Baseball?
I throw matters. There's variance in baseball for every team that's not our team. And when we're discussing this, we do have to keep that fact in mind. Yeah, probably. Yeah, I think that is actually fair.
The Brewers somehow just are the Brewers, and every other team is like the Diamondbacks, they win, and then they're terrible. And like the Rangers, they're weather the World Series, now they're bad. But I think that's I think that would be extremely Again, short of going into Chicago and winning. 'Kay.
Okay, hopes. I think extending, I can't emphasize that enough, that there's a decision to be made. Keeping both under their current contract is not an option. I think to re-sign both pending some Chicago playoff win. to me is nuts.
Nuts because it's accepting the status quo and it's accepting.
Well, in 2023, there were these circumstances.
Well, in 2024, there were these other circumstances. Oh, yeah. In 2025, there were some circumstances. To me, it's too many of those consecutively. But if we were doing that with the Bucks, we'd still have Brut.
Extend those guys. We'd still have BUT if we were doing that with the Bucks. Yeah, I mean, and you could. And I think the Bucks have kept the status quo for too long. And I think it's part of the reason where they are now, because they've kept to the status quo too much.
But I think Bart for as hard as you were on the Adrian Griffin go back to his home planet like Poochie, or where the fuck is this guy? Still getting paid. He's still getting paid. Good for him. For as much as I think you raided on the brewers for Bites at the Apple, I just think of this.
very near-term scenario where everyone's brought back. Extended, not just brought back, extended and brought back. I would, boy, accepting that level of. being okay. as an NFL team for this franchise I think would be really telling and I think would be really negative.
So Mm-hmm. For me, what do you guys think? I'm not sure. I think a lot of people are. I don't think this is a.
I don't think this is a team that, or maybe a fan base, maybe a team. I don't think they value the Super Bowl as much as I thought they did. See, but the difference I'd say like with the brewers Where it's like you like that one? No no one has seen a Brewers World Series. Uh win.
Some three of us and many people listening haven't even seen them in the World Series.
So it's like, I kind of actually understand. you know to And baseball, to me, having higher variance than the NFL, or it should. Um I I actually I I understand the strategy. With the brewers and what they're doing, especially if you're going to continue having a top farm system. The Packers, it's not like that.
Like, even if we know the person who gets excused in all of this, like we've said, we've said the name Goudekins far less than we've said LaFleur, far less than we've said love, short of 2022. And like The Jordan Love pick like a a couple other stragglers here and there like Are we sure? That this is someone who doesn't deserve an extension?
Well I just would not like the status quo in this. Of both guys extended. That would really, again, pending a playoff run. This is all with the giant asterisk of pending a playoff run. I think I had a guy say, Oh man, you wouldn't have survived the seventies and eighties.
It's a common. go to Yeah, we would have that's over. You didn't using using 2020 using that as a backdrop for 2025's issues and Conversations is useless. There's no one involved with the Packers organization of any level of prominence who was alive for that. Also, they've been consistently one of the top teams in the NFL for 33 years.
Those are some big bites at a giant apple, isn't it? And they got two apples. They did. I also think there's a weird like 2010 was 16 years ago. People act like it was last weekend.
It is very strange. When you watch that Super Bowl, Rogers looks like a baby. Again, And the and the status quo of this too, totally different regime. But McCarthy was kept far too long so that we could enable the status quo to continue. Oh, next year it'll be fine.
Oh, next year it'll be fine. I mean, I covered those teams. It was not fine. It was not going to magically whatever. Like, They should have gotten out.
Two to three years before they got out. Of McCarthy. There were circumstances, though, like Jordy getting hurt. Like, there's some common threads through there. And that's perfectly fine.
And I hope that. Ed policy has enough of a Insight. That The three of us not being. He's got to go. He's got to go.
He's got to go. He got his chance. It's time to go. May I go? I think the fact that they're the seven seed three years in a row.
First of all, I don't think being a wild card here and there is like the worst thing the world's going to be. No, it's not. It's the same. And then it's like, well, they got a good record, or they would have played different. They didn't try that last game.
They could have been the sixth seed. The point is, they're getting the benefit of an expanded playoff. They're not winning divisions. They're not winning divisions. They're not playing at home.
Which doesn't fucking matter anymore anyway. But they're not playing at home. I just I don't get the I don't get. I d I understand. Oh no, I don't get I don't get why any Fucking Team.
In this state. Would spend any fucking money on PR branding. Or any of that. Because you've got an army of people willing to carry your water. for anything.
Carrier G. Yeah, they and they and they Criticism is bad. Having this conversation, what are you guys overreacting for? They got nine, the goalpost moving. Mm-hmm.
It's terrible. You're a lesser fan. To me, which just ignore these people. It's the fact that they haven't won the division since Aaron Rodgers' second to last year. That's damn it.
When your division is competitive, there's going to be some where you don't win it. You know what I mean? You have injuries and you have a harder schedule than a team beneath you the year before, and they win an extra game or two, and you're a wild card. And that doesn't damn you. But to me, like, which teams win divisions?
It's teams that Consistently perform at a high level from the start to the end of the year. And they don't start slow, and they don't fade away in December, and they don't piss away three or four wins a year. That they should have had. And that's the type of stuff, like, that's this team, right? They faded in December the last two years.
They lose three or four games a season, they shouldn't lose. And to me, the fact that they're the seven seed and not a division champ, that's representative of the issues with this team. Right. Like, you get what I'm saying? Great, great point.
And actually, it made me quick look this up just to confirm. Every team has now won the NFC North since the Packers have last won it. Yeah. I think that's interesting.
So, in the past four years, now that the Bears have won it this year. It's interesting. The best thing since wrestling and festing in your kids' ears and nestling. Great reference. And lyric call out.
So, the fact that it's been since the Packers won the division in 2021, Vikings, Lions, Lions, Bears.
So, you've got this competitive group set, and that's fine. And, like, it is a good division. Like, yeah, if they're in the AFC South, they'd clean up. Great. But the the vision is evolving.
And everyone has now won it since the Packers have. I don't think that's nothing. And can I, can I just say, can I say, you're going to extend? I know I'm just being over, like, you're going to extend. The two decision makers on a team that can't win the division since every other team in the division has won the division.
I don't know. But it's okay because his record during the first three years of Rodgers was 39 and 12. Or whatever the fuck you're hung up on the extension when you shouldn't be. It's the same as Jordan Love. It's like, well, but you paid him 55.
Yeah, because you had to. And if you want that LaFleur to stay, you got to extend him. That's how it works. This is just a punch. But the difference is: if Willis and Love were both free agents this offseason or both lame duck quarterbacks next season.
Then that's an apples to apples comparison. This, if I may borrow it, Bart. is apples to wrenches. Thank you. Because You have like you, you can't make the love Willis decision now because you've already made the love decision, so the Willis decision.
is impacted because you've made the love decision. You have a perfectly aligned GM and head coach situation. Policy has, whether intentionally along with Mark Murphy or otherwise. Had them Get in a situation like, okay, we have to make a decision on you, and neither decision has been made.
So I don't, I mean, tell me if I'm missing something there, Grant, on your comparison, but I'm. You're fine. I just, I don't see, for me, I don't see a functional difference if Matt LaFleur had two years left on his deal or one year left. I don't think it is. Like, whether they're deciding to fire him this offseason with two years left or one year left, you're deciding whether you want him to continue to be the coach.
That's this conversation. No, no, no, no, no. No, this when we can we can disagree on this. This is not of, I can't imagine this is of interest to anyone. Like, we're arguing, we're literally arguing about semantics.
I don't think this matters. That's actually my favorite thing. Which I, yeah, maybe. I think that surprises me.
Okay. Well, they could extend him and still fire him. Yeah. Just because you give a guy a three-year extension doesn't mean. He's going to finish it out.
Well, I mean, again, unless he is. You know. An NBA coach, like where they're going to be fired with $50 million left on their contract. A la Budenholzer in Phoenix recently, like. Uh, Stan Van Gundy in New Orleans.
Like, when was the last time an NBA coach wasn't fired with like 50 or 60 million left? These guys coach for two years, and then they're just uh, Doc is somehow gonna outlive his contract and then coach for free afterwards. Maybe. Um, look, one more thing on the division because it's been sticking in my craw. I led my show with this on Friday before the Rams game.
It's kind of pathetic that this team didn't win the division this year. And I know they have injuries, and we're talking about the coach, and we're talking about Malik Willis, and there's all these shiny moving type like. Just At the heart of this team, at the root of this season we just watched, it's pathetic they didn't win this division. Yeah, fuck them.
Okay. I'm right here. I'm with you. I mean, how many opportunities did they have? They'd still be alive this week had they just beaten the Ravens at home.
Like, they'd still. It would feel like a long shot, but they could still be alive for the division. This division was so winnable for them, and they just wouldn't. But I can't say that because then people. You can't say it.
I know the Bears took a big step up. And while Grant takes his Rashawn Gary victory lap, I'm going to take my Ben Johnson victory lap. We'll take those simultaneously. Those victory laps. No, they're going to do what we did.
They're going to have a good postseason. And then they're gonna revert next year where they like lose the first game. Rashawn Gary's going to have a good postseason. Yeah. No, the Bears.
Oh. I still think that If Jordan Love's first year was his second year, and we get to the divisional round. The whole thing. But they did this and then he went back and now. Maybe.
Bart, one l one other thing. I wanted to mention this to you in this forum rather than in text, because I know you read about. Be so polite, Paul. I love, I'm a big fan of this forum. The AEW pay-per-view, the wrestling pay-per-view over the weekend, happened to be at the same time as the Packers game.
Okay. And I'm going to tell you this because I know you may have read about the AEW pay-per-view, but didn't watch it. Guess what happened during said pay-per-view, which took place in Chicago? Every time the Packers a lot of touchdown while there was wrestling going on. Greenbase sucks.
So you knew what was happening. Yeah. They're Bears fans. Yeah. Add a wrestling pay-per-view.
Cool. If not, go bears, go bears. It was... Green Bay sucks chance loudly. And then I don't get it.
And then during the main event when the score went final of Packers Ravens. It was like thunderous with not like, yay.
Well, they won the division.
So that at least. But you're not celebrating. But it Are you selling? That's what I don't understand. And I know you're much more like focused on fan behavior than I am.
And I don't actually care that much, but I feel. I really don't care. I find it interesting that there's not like a, you know, like honestly. People debate like the You know, flying the L flag if you're the Brewers or whatever else. But like when the Cubs win a game, they play their we won the game song.
The bears Mantra from the fan base isn't like a bears thing, like flying a W. When we beat the Bears, we do Bears Still Suck. I only hear that song at weddings. I've actually never been to a game where I've heard that. I guess I could.
There's 100 weddings in Wisconsin. I've heard it at least fucking half of them. Have you, Jim? Have you, Jim? I guess I just don't understand the mentality.
that the way that you're your team is by saying This other team who's unrelated to us in the circumstance of what just happened.
Well, but they were going to win the NFC North. Yeah. Anyway, I don't understand how the L flag. Is the worst thing you could ever do. And the cheese grater is clever.
They're the same they're the same thing. And I'm fine with both. I was just, you know, people should be consistent on it. It's like doing horns down. Yeah.
You do horns up, we're going to do horns down. You fly a W, we're going to fly an L when you lose. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Brewer's El.
Oh, my God. The problem with fighting against Chicago fans is there's so many of them. Not only are there so many of them. Think of a fan base. Think of a fan base.
There's 10 good people, 10 really stupid, and 80 in the middle.
So the Chicago numbers are larger.
So you're fighting more. They're sending the worst of the worst on the front lines. Yeah. Anyway, all right. Like the Russians in World War II.
Last one, super quick, because you guys are usually very good at this, and I like your input on it. The Packers Bears playoff game, assuming that that let's say that that's the matchup. Which window? Which day? God, I hope not Saturday night.
I feel like that'll be Fox 3 o'clock. Real?
Okay, I would have guessed the Saturday or Sunday night before I would have said the other matchups.
Well I don't want to I think Packers Bears will be one of the two most prominent, if not like, it's not going to be superseded by two. Keep in mind, Prime Video gets a game possibly Sunday at noon. It won't be that one. How shitty is that? It will Mike Clemens.
I don't pay to watch football. That's what advertisers are for. It won't be that game. Oh, that'll be at NFC South winter. Yeah.
Yeah. I think, regardless of the matchups, Packers Bears will be one of the two most prominent matchups, if not like the clear-cut number one. And I don't think that's Midwest bias. Like, people are going to want to. I mean, they've been shoehorning shit Packers Bears games into primetime for 20 years.
The one year since, well, the second time in 15. 30 years are actually both good at the same time. It better be on Sunday at 3 o'clock. I can't do another fucking Saturday night game, man.
So, wait, are you betting Saturday? Like, if you got a, you know, million bucks if you're right, nothing if you're wrong, Bart. When's the Packers Bears playoff game if that's what it is? Sunday at three. Yeah, I'm gonna go with Grant.
Sunday what? At three. Or there could be a yeah, they want Fox wants it, yeah. How does the draft work? How does that work?
I used to know the answer to this, and I don't know the current like you worked in television, PI. You tell us. That's what I'm saying. Like, I could have told you 15 years ago. But now that since they've added all these, you know, again, Bart mentions Amazon Prime as an option, it used to be like.
You know, Fox and CBS battle their NFC versus AFC stuff. And then you get the Sunday night game on. NBC, but it's not Chicago's the biggest market in the NFC. Wouldn't they be the biggest draw, one would assume?
So are you saying that the three o'clock window is the biggest window or are you just saying because Fox would own that? No, well it's Fo well it's Fox, but also the the biggest window. Yeah, I think it's the biggest window of the weekend, Sunday at three. Um, yeah, Sunday three.
Okay. I hope you're right. Let's fill, I'll fill out the whole weekend. Once we get the slate, we should do this next.
Well, we'll know by next week, but. Do it well Bart maybe uh maybe you could do it like yeah I'll totally do it on my Postgave pod Yeah, you should. I actually maybe is that interesting to people. I'm I love that kind of especially Bart, you going through your TV guides and being the TV guide guy that you are like. predicting matchup times and days and how the networks fight over it is Yeah.
Interesting. Especially because, like, look how much the Sunday Night Football crew valued getting this Rodgers Ravens game and the possibility of it being Rogers' last game. Like, they wanted that. Like, That was more valuable, even though it was two like average teams. Last, last, last, last thing.
Are you rooting for the Steelers on Sunday night? Me too. Nice. I'm back in on Rogers, him and his fake wife. What a crazy guy.
I'm just out of time. Immunized. Fucking hilarious. I'm in. I'm just tired of the Ravens.
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