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Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome into the Winkler Verse. I'm Bart Winkler. Alongside me today is Rami. McLouf Macloaf?
Close enough. Close enough, Bart. It's not like we know each other for 10 years, 15 years, whatever it's been. It's fine. You don't know how to say my name.
It's cool. No, it's been um When did you start at at the fan in Milwaukee? 2014.
Okay, so yeah, it's been like almost 12 years. in almost 12 years. You'll learn to say my name eventually. Bort. It'll happen.
I was producing for you, and you wanted me to get you coffee. That is not true. That is not true. I never asked a producer to get me coffee. Interns, for sure.
That's what interns are. You thought I was an intern. I never asked you to get me coffee. You're making up things. I would go get Gary coffee.
Gary, I could see asking me to go get a cup of coffee for sure. Yeah. Gary. Hey, what are you doing back there? I'm working.
Hey, why don't you go down to Starbucks? Give me a flat white. He always offered a buy, though. He'd always offer to buy. He would.
Yeah, if you're going to pick him up a cup of coffee, Gary would always offer to buy. I'm not turning down that deal. No, it's a free Starbucks. I talked to GE the other day. I talk to GE somewhat frequently.
Love that man. He's one of my favorite people. I would agree with you. Along with you, of course, Mark. Oh, yeah.
Well, I love you too. Uh, this is into the Winkler verse.
Okay, so. Programming note If I may, for any of the national audience trickling in. Today's episode, I'm going to talk to Romi McLoff. who is currently with The fan or the Wisconsin Sports Radio Network? Both.
It's the Fan in Milwaukee and it is part of the greater Wisconsin Sports Radio Network syndicated throughout the great state of Wisconsin. You can also hear him occasionally on 670 the score. Yes, you can. I was just down there a few nights ago. Yep, I'll be on there The 18th tonight, and then possibly never again.
You know, I gotta say, Bart, I heard the first segment of your show on Tuesday night because, in addition to all those jobs that you just mentioned, I also work at a comedy club here in Milwaukee. And Got off work a little late and uh turned on my boy Bart Winkler. And uh, that was beautiful, bro. That was that was a beautiful segment that you did there in the first segment, talking about. How do you feel about the whole situation and how long you've been dealing with the situation and the comparison to Tua and the Dawson's.
That came top of my head. And just like Tua, you are also getting benched. You are also getting benched. But I thought it was a great segment, dude. I really, really, I didn't, I have something sort of planned at the end of the show tonight.
Yeah. So again, this is being taped on the 18th. I don't, you know, people, it's podcasts. You listen what you want to, whatever you want. Get us wherever you get your podcasts.
Um and then uh You know, I I had you on to talk Bears, Packers, obviously, but We can dance around this for a second. Sure. But then on Tuesday, It was the first, it's just a three-show week for me. And I just come back from Denver, and I was just like. This I'm I this is gonna And so I started talking, and then I remembered watching the Dolphin Steelers game the night before.
I hope I would remember that. But I was just like, because I was watching the Dolphins too. I'm like, why aren't they? And Troy Aikman's like, I guess they're just running out of steam. They've been busting their ass for a month.
Knowing still that they probably, and I go, that is very relatable. to the situation that I'm in. Uh I have sort of something planned at the end. And I think, and I'm going to live stream that. What a treat that I'm going to do that for everybody.
But I'm going to talk about um Because there's two ways I could do it. I could sign off very bitter. And I could sign off very graciously. Yeah, and appreciative. Yeah.
And You're going to straddle that line between the two. Oh yeah.
Well yeah, because Looking back like That is the that is the line. I am v like I am So appreciate that. The only reason that I'm like, oh, I might be okay for a little bit, I can do this podcast. Is because the people that wanted me to and that still are with me and are part of the Winkler verse. You know, I It's Winkler versus Winkler, but it's like this, it really truly is a niche thing that you can be a part of.
Sure. And we're always welcoming new members, of course.
So I am very appreciative, but I'm also very. Bitter about just the business. as a whole, the people that Are in it. One of my lines is: I'm always chasing respect from people I don't respect. And it's just.
I I gotta My main point is going to be that I don't have any regrets. Cause I could go to bed and be like Um Oh, I have, I sleep on money, or I sleep on fame, or whatever. And I could always want more money or more notoriety or whatever. But the one thing I've never ever laid down in bed and thought was. I don't feel like I'm being me.
I don't feel like I'm being me. Right. And I think that's the most important thing.
So that's how I'm going to. That's a sneak peek of what you're going to get at 12:47 a.m. today.
Well, I'm glad you gave it because I will be asleep, Bart. I will be asleep. I got to get up early tomorrow. Hmm. Yeah.
And I'm going to say, this is such a well-thought-out speech, and no one's going to pick it up because no one gives a shit about me in this industry. Yeah. They don't. I do. I'm in the industry.
He's the guy that's tweeted everybody one time. I even drunk tweeted a guy I didn't know this weekend. Why? Why? I don't know.
Tell me why. What are you asking me for? You did it. What do you mean? Why?
You know why. You're the only one who knows why. Who else knows why? Only God knows why. Say what you want about Kidd or Rock, but that song is a banger.
I don't even know the song. But deep down inside, you're the only one who knows why.
Well, you and God, of course. God knows all. Let me talk Packers Bears with you here. Yes. And before we break down the O's and X's.
I want to get into um the fandom. Part of this.
Okay. Yeah. I don't like being a part of Packers Bears. It is probably the thing that I have to be a part of that I hate the most. I think that the rivalry takes up too much of people's time.
I think that Um people try to make it their personality. Like I don't Got some guy down the road trying to tell me he hears bears still suck at like every Wisconsin wedding he's ever been to. I got married in Lambeau into a Bears family two days after Randall Cobb scored a touchdown to beat the Bears for the NFC North. You know how many times I thought about the Bears at my wedding? Fucking zero.
Zero fucking times. But not everybody is like you, Bart. I do. I haven't been to a bunch of Wisconsin weddings. My wedding was a Wisconsin wedding.
You attended. I didn't hear Bears still suck anywhere, probably because they know they would have gotten thrown the fuck out if they did start chanting that. But I haven't been to a ton of Wisconsin weddings, so I can't speak on that. I've been to Brewers' games, I've been to Bucs games, and not every time, but on the way out, I do occasionally hear the chance. You're lying.
No, there's no chance. There's no chance. I swear to God. I swear on the stack of Bob. It's true.
It's absolutely true. And I've been to Chicago sporting events that have nothing to do with the Bears or the Packers. And I hear, and I hear chants of the Packers suck or fuck the Packers or whatever the case might be. I do hear it at both. Yes, absolutely.
Well, one, you're lying. Two, if you're not, it's unacceptable if you're not. It's not acceptable. I'm telling you, it's not acceptable. Again, we've known each other for 11 years.
You're going to sit here and call me a liar in the first five minutes that I'm on your podcast. I'm telling you, it's happened. I'm saying if you're not lying, it's unacceptable behavior. For the others. Agreed.
And I'm not into it. And there's this weird, like the Packers and Bears. The Packers One of the massive reasons they still exist is because of George Hallis. Yes. And how he fought to keep them.
And he came and talked to Green Bay City Council meetings. And this was after he. Played, I think, 22 games for the Yankees in 1919. It's my favorite fact in sports. He had two hits.
I love that fact. And also, that Donovan Mitchell was at the decision. People forget he was part of the Boys and Girls Club there. Was he really? Yeah.
I didn't know that. And I don't know if you heard Matt Stafford and Clayton Kershaw are buddies. What? Yeah. Huh?
Mm-hmm. I've never heard that. That's never fan is short for fanatic. Thank you. And the best of a best ability is availability.
You're full of gems today.
Well, it's my last day. I gotta, I gotta, you know, have it all sharp up here. I do like the rot. See, here's this has always been the difference between you and I, Bart. Is you give attention and time and energy to the things that you don't like.
And I refuse to. Like, I will not. I only have so much time and energy on this planet. And so I will not spend any time or energy on the things I don't like or the people I don't like, or I try my hardest not to. Mm-hmm.
But when it comes to the rivalry, there are things about it. That I do enjoy, that I do appreciate. I mean, I'd be lying if I said. I don't there isn't a little part of me that that's that's happy and cheers every time the Packers lose, not just when they play the Bears, but every time that the Packers lose a football game. Is do you not have the same feeling with the Chicago Bears or the Chicago Cubs?
I I just I just I like talking shit. I like talking a little shit with Packers fans. That's fun. That's what sports is all about. That's what sports is.
And as long as you don't take it too seriously, and I've heard you say on this podcast, people make it a part of their personality. As long as that's not the case, as long as I don't mind talking some shit and having some fun. And it doesn't just have to be Bears-Packers week. It could be. Any time of year, any time of the football season, and I'll engage in that.
That's fun. And that's what sports are supposed to be: fun and shit talking and rivalries and celebrating your team and cheering against other teams. What this whole fucking thing is about? What are we doing if that's not what it's about? Tis the season of gifting and holes to deck.
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So I had a guy call me last night and he's like, Hey, I just want to know what your excuse is going to be. I go, yeah, for what? And he goes. When the Bears beat the Packers, are you going to say Michael Parsons isn't there? Is it going to be like, what's your excuse going to be?
I'm going to be like, Look, I don't know how this game's going to go. I think it can go a lot of different ways. I'm not, uh, as they play Saturday night, I'm not like super confident. Um, I feel like they The Packers can win. I think a lot of Bears fans feel like: okay, this is going to be.
The time that they win. But then I also look back to two weeks ago where everyone's talking shit for a week and then they lose. And then we're supposed to be fed the narrative like.
Okay, we know they lost by seven. You know, they didn't cover the spread, but this was as good of a loss as we've had in the NFL in years. What is that bullshit? Like, you're either there or you're not. And what I credit the Bears for doing this year, where some people can pick on him and say, oh, you barely beat the Raiders, you barely beat the Giants.
Yeah, but you know what the Bears have done the last 15 years is they've lost those games. They have lost those games. And I don't care if they barely beat whoever. And then, okay, they barely beat a team, but then they respond with a big win over Dallas. Like the Chicago Bears.
Seem to have figured it out.
So I don't know if they just like, I don't know if this Bears team is any better than the last 10 years and now this team just knows how to win, or if this team actually is better and those other teams were not so good. Because there's, I thought Justin Fields would be good. I don't know about Mitch. But um Caleb Williams, I think a lot of Caleb Williams.
So I think this Bears team is going to be good. I also think. I don't think they're going to be I think the progression might be With Jordan Love starting, they won a game in Dallas. And then they lost a playoff game, and then you feel good. But then the next year, the Packers lost right away to the Eagles.
I think the Bears are on the up. There might be, but they're on the up. I I just bare I just I also don't want to lose. Because This is the same way with Jordan Love's passes. Jordan Love can throw 100 great passes, but if he throws one interception, Everyone's got a shit on them for weeks.
The Packers can steamrow the Bears for ten years, but if they win this game, all of a sudden the last 10 years are just even. That shit bothers me, especially as the one rational fan. Yeah, it doesn't erase the last 10 years. The last 30 years, fuck the last 10 years. The last 30 years, the Packers have, for the most part, dominated this rivalry.
And nothing the Bears can do on Saturday or this season or even next season, unless they dominate this rivalry for the next 30 years, doesn't balance or cancel out anything that's happened in my lifetime. That just means that they won that game and they're probably going to win the NFC North. And I agree with you on Jordan Love and how people perceive him. He's. He protects the football as well as almost any quarterback in this league.
Every quarterback throws interceptions. It seems like Jordan Love's interceptions carry a lot more weight when he does throw them. And some of them have been at like really bad times. You know what I mean? And crucial spots of the game.
But you look at his overall resume and his performance, and he's as good at protecting the football as anybody in this league, like as I just said.
So I agree with you on both those points that you just made. The Bears can't cancel out the last 10 years or the last 30 years. And I don't think anybody should be even thinking about them canceling out the last 10 years or the last 30 years. It should be about what's going to happen Saturday. And it's fine to look ahead.
It's fine to look ahead as a Bears fan and feel like we're building something. We could be wrong. We thought we were building something in 28 when Matt Naggie won coach of the year and the Bears won the division, and then they double-jointed their way out of the playoffs, and it was all downhill from there. 2018. He said 28.
You're looking way ahead. Did I say 28? I meant to say 2018. My bad. I wasn't going to correct you, but.
But you did. I don't correct you. For me to be an asshole. I just clear up because then the people will listen and they'll be like, oh, did he say 28? And then, and then they don't listen to your next 30 seconds.
I'm doing you a favor. I appreciate that.
So it's fine to be confident. It's fine to be happy with where the franchise is at and the direction that the franchise is heading. But yeah, you're delusional if you think you're canceling out anything that's happened. As a matter of fact, because of everything that's happened, I'm a little shell-shocked, Bart. Bears fans are getting a little puffy-chested.
And I was listening to the score in Chicago the other day, and Lawrence Holmes, who I admire, who's a friend of mine and a colleague of mine, he was encouraging Bears fans and even Bears fans living in Wisconsin and Bears fans who have Packers fans in their lives, encouraging them to get a little puffy chested, to talk a little shit. And I'm not there. And maybe that's just being a Bears fan who's lived behind and worked behind enemy lines for so long and been on the wrong end of this thing for so long while living and working behind enemy lines that I can't bring myself there, not yet. But there are Bears fans who are getting a little puffy-chested. And that's.
Fine, man. That is fine. But it doesn't cancel out anything that's happened in the last 10, 20, or 30 years in this rivalry and these matchups. The coping is always fun to watch because now, with the stadium thing, whatever's going on there, you know, so we're making jokes about Northwest Indiana and then. Um I say this is why I'm glad I have stock because we We don't ever have to worry about this kind of shit.
You know, I've made fans are still like, oh, just because you fucking bought a star in the sky doesn't mean, like, yes, it does. Yes, it does. Buying the stock means it actually means we don't have to worry. Because when I bought that stock, the money went to improve Lambeau Field.
Okay, I know exactly where it went. Yes, it does. Buying a stock. keeps us away from what you're going through right now, which is Insanity, really. You said you said something to this effect years ago, and it completely.
flip the way I I felt about the whole Packers ownership and stockholder thing. You're right.
Now, Will I still make fun of it to some degree? Because if you were to pay $250 right now to never have to worry about this shit again, I think you would. I think a lot of fans would. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I definitely would.
I would pay that just to have Kevin Warren go away, but. That that that's that's that's worth it to me right there. At least he didn't do it leading up to a huge win. Yeah, what the fuck? The timing, if nothing else, what is the timing of this announcement, this statement, this letter that they put out yesterday threatening to move to Gary, Indiana, of all places?
You want to build a world-class facility and you're going to put it in Gary, Indiana? That's your plan? That's your grand scheme to outsmart Illinois and the city of Chicago? Is you're going to move to Gary, Indiana? No.
Have you seen Guardians of the Galaxy 3? Yeah, I've seen all of them, yeah.
Okay, you know when they go to the high evolutionaries planet? Yeah. And he's trying to like create a perfect planet. And then they drive around the planet and they see like these monsters like selling each other crack. Yeah.
That's what I've always thought. That's Gary Indiana. It's that scene from Guardians of the Galaxy 3. Spot on. And putting a world-class football stadium in the middle of that would be the same thing, would be the same thing as him trying to build this perfect universe that's just surrounded by shit.
That is not the place for a world-class facility, as they say. And again, just the timing of this. You're in first place. You found the hothead coaching candidate. You got the number one pick at quarterback.
He's doing some things that got people excited. You're headed into a game against your arch rival. For the division, whoever leaves Soldier Field Saturday with the win is winning the division. I'm certain of that. And you release this now?
This couldn't wait. A week or two weeks or three weeks or till the end of the season, you had to do this. Like, does he think this is This is the perfect time to do it because we're all going to be like, Oh no, don't take our bears away. Everything is so good right now. Like, is that what he thinks?
Because if that's what that's not, that is not the reaction, the reaction is. Bro, what the fuck? What are you talking about moving to Indiana two days before we're going to play the biggest game that this team has played in 10 years or 12 years or whatever the case might be? It's just bad PR. Just.
Stupid on the part of Kevin Warren and the Chicago Bears. The timing of this, if nothing else, the Gary, Indiana of it. Is a whole nother story and also stupid. Ryan McGloff's on the Wisconsin Sports Radio Network, 9 to noon with John Kuhn. Or nine to noon with Kuhn.
What do you guys say? It's it's nine to noon with John Kuhn and then in very small letters and Rami Makloff. That's long. Featuring Brandon Snide. Yeah, I throw him in there every once in a while as well.
We want to hear our names on the radio and our voices.
So, yeah, I I'll throw in the producer, Brandon Snide, every once in a while as well.
Somebody called me the other day and they're like, You and Carlos are not in the same studio and I go, Right and he goes, Then why do you say you're Bart Winkler with Carlos Ortiz alongside? And I said Because I'm the host, but he's here. And so when you hear the other voice, that's who it is. It's a lot better doing it that way than saying, let's go over to producer Carlos. I mean, I would just, I hate that shit.
I do my show, when I do a show in Chicago, I do it usually remotely from Milwaukee. And I still will say my producer is on the other side of the glass. A term I know you hate. You hate that product. I do hate that.
Yeah, I know you do. But I mean, do I. Do we have to explain? I'm Robbie McLough in Milwaukee, and my producer. No, but I don't think you need to say he's the producer.
Okay, why? He is, you could say, and I'll never say my producer. She's the producer of this show right now.
Okay. I don't own him. Is it demeaning? Is it demeaning to say my producer? As someone who's been a producer for you specifically.
Yeah. If it's my show and he's producing it. He's my producer. I don't say that in a demeaning or belittling way. I have the utmost respect and appreciation for my producers.
I know, I know you do. It's like saying, my boy, my dog, my homie. It's my producer. No, I can, I can, and as long as you don't say, like, hey, producer Jeff over there, that's absurd. No, I've never done that.
Um So, if you're looking for the breakdown of this game, that's not why I had Rami on. I know that you guys on the show have been talking about the game. I don't know, like. I don't even know what to think about the game. The best I can give you is: yeah, they're a little banged up.
I hope they win. I think they can still win, but I could see the Bears winning. I don't really have a good. X's and O's breakdown. What are you guys talking about?
Yeah, I think it's 50-50. I feel like it's a coin toss or a push going into this game. I think last I saw the Packers are favored by one point or one and a half points, depending on where you go for those odds. And I know a lot of people are focused on the Micah Parsons injury, and you should be. He's a great player.
He's one of the best pass rushers that we've ever seen, and probably the second best pass rusher in the league right now behind Miles Garrett.
So his injury has a huge effect on this football game. And that's not the only one that the Packers have. They lost Tucker Kraft earlier in the year. Christian Watson went down. He's been practicing.
It looks like he's ready to go. But Probably won't have Evan Williams, the safety. You probably won't have Zach Tom, the offensive lineman. Those are all big injuries. On the other side, and we do this thing, Bart, where we get caught in this bubble, or we're just looking at the biggest name that's hurt in a football game.
The Bears have more games missed due to injury than any other team in the NFL this year. There was a time where they didn't have their entire linebacker corps. They've been without their top three cornerbacks for much of the season. This week, they won't have Roma Dunze or Luther Burden. They're top two wide receivers in terms of production this year.
So both these teams come in banged up. And you look at some of those injuries. I was telling Brandon, my producer, He's a bit of a nervous Nelly. He's a warrior, and he was saying that the Zach Tom injury is big, that the Evan Williams injury is big, and they are. I'm not going to say they're not, but the Bears.
Don't get after quarterbacks. And the Bears don't stop the run.
So if you're going to lose anybody losing an offensive lineman, It's probably your best option in going against this Bears team because that's one of their biggest weaknesses, I think, is their defensive front. When it comes to Evan Williams, that's a big loss. That's a big loss. But I think getting Christian Watson back for this football game is huge. And you need not look further than two weeks ago and what he did against the Bears when Kyler Gordon got hurt before the game and the Packers saw an opening.
They saw an opportunity with Kyler Gordon getting hurt before the game and an ability for Christian Watson to get over the top of the defense and get some big plays, some 20-plus-yard touchdowns. I think he had two of them in that football game.
So the injuries will play a factor in this one for sure, but not just the Micah Parsons injury, all the injuries. And Christian Watson being healthy for this game is huge, huge for the Green Bay Packers. I will be live after the game on Saturday night. And uh sober. I used to do late-night podcasts, not sober.
I think if you go back and look at them, you can see just how chunky my cheeks were. I might need to scrub some of those from the internet. No, I say leave them up. Show how far you've come. As someone who's Craig Carton their way back to WSSP a bunch of times.
Yeah. How do I get back in there? I wish I knew, Bart. I wish I knew. If it was up to me, you'd be back.
You'd already be back at the station. You and our buddy, Ryan Horbot. If it was up to me, you guys would be in the station. I'd love to be super filling, man. I'd do that.
I was I was just talking to somebody about that the other day. I was just saying I was just talking to someone about that the other day, Bart. And you probably know who I was talking to about that the other day. Not trying to put everybody's business out there, but yeah, that's I've I've thrown your name out there. I've thrown your name out.
I'm a big I'm a big proponent of Bart Winkler. Ooh, I also have a pitch for a weekend show. Oh. Yeah, it's just an hour of me talking about everyone I don't like in the market. Oh, they're gonna love that.
They're gonna love it. Have you pitched? Have you actually officially pitched it to anybody? No, because it would be a short, non-existent show. Because I don't know if you know this about me.
I am Looking to Rebuild bridges.
Okay. Yeah. Infrastructure week is still on. Yeah. And there's a lot of people that you might think.
They would never talk to Bart. I'm going to ask him though. I'm going to ask him. That's great. You want to name it again?
I didn't ask Doug Gottlieb to come on last night. He left me on red. But I tried. And that's all you can do, Bart. That's all you can do.
And you need to find peace with that. You need to find peace with when you can't. When you can't make things right with people. That that you tried. And give yourself some grace.
You know what I mean? All you can be is me. Exactly. It's all you can be, Bart. And I love you for it.
Rami, oh, by the way, if you're on the video, this episode is also audio with voicemails.
So there's a reason to then go also give me numbers there. On the audio. But for now, it's good to see you, and I will look forward to talking to you again. Back at you, buddy. Romy McLough, I thank you for stopping into the Winklerverse.
I thank you for having me in the Winkler Burrs, and I hope I'm invited back. I get the last word. Oh, okay, I'll shut the fuck up. The Who's Down and Who Newville were making their list. But some didn't know.
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Carl's Place, they've got the golf simulators. You can check out all the YouTube videos for the affiliate link. That I have from them, but the voicemail line has never been shut down, it's always been running. 402-915-2278. 402-915-2278.
Bart. It's an Omaha, Nebraska number, but I was able to get Bart as the last four, so that's why I did it.
So a bunch of different voicemails have come in. Craig Thompson. Hit us up with one. Craig, Craig was on the show briefly a couple weeks ago in one of the post-games. Craig was assuming that since I didn't do a post-game in Denver, the voicemail line was going to be active.
This is the one voicemail I got after the Packers lost in Denver, Craig Thompson. Hey, Bart, Craig Thompson here. Hey, I'm sure you're hearing all these voicemails today. night because you're not doing a you know post-game about how bad Before it was and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Why don't we talk a little bit about the defense?
and how poorly they played in the last three or three weeks. And uh What the hell is going on with them? I don't know, maybe the defensive coordinator should get out of the booth. where all he does seem to do is drink hot cocoa and wonder what the hell is going on and maybe get on the field. My God, there's like every one of these.
Every one of these guys is so frustrating. I don't like our defensive coordinator up in the upstairs. He should be on the field. I I'm I I'm so upstraight, so mad, I can't even remember his dude's name.
So anyways, that's my grape. Our defense by no way is looking at all like it was. I don't know if he knows how to make changes. 'Cause it seems like everything that we're running now bus-wise is being picked up like it's nobody's business. But anyways, I digress.
Well, hopefully you had a good time in Denver even though the outcome sucked. And I'll talk to you later. This next voicemail. Thanks, Craig. This next voicemail comes from Graham.
Wanted to talk a little bit about Giannis and the Bucs, and everything that we've seen up to this point says that maybe, maybe. Maybe this is all some sort of ploy, Graham. Hey, Bart, this is Graham, Milwaukee. First time long time. Uh love the show.
The uh mm-hmm mm-mm always gets me through my week.
So Thanks for doing that with Grant and Paul. It's nice to hear. Um wanted to call in and uh weigh in a little bit on the Yannis stuff because I have a A fun kind of conspiracy take that I think you might like. And that is that I think that there's a chance that the Giannis trade rumors came from inside. the Bucks, not as a way to lower his own draft value, but to inflate the value of our upcoming draft picks.
Right? Um because if Giannis is presumed to want out of Milwaukee. Then that would make our draft picks very, very juicy. And who wouldn't want a 2031 bucks draft pick if Behannis isn't going to be there?
So I don't know. Just think there's a chance that maybe this is a different kind of move. Anyway, my point being that uh I think that the Bucks could be doing this themselves to inflate that drastic value, perhaps to find that mythical three we've been lacking for so long.
So maybe this is a way to dangle those what looked like pretty juicy draft ticks in front of the Pelicans. And make out like Bandits with a Herb Jones or Trey Murphy type figure, while all the while planning to keep you honest. There's a world where he's in on it, the front office and horse is in on it in a good way. And uh perhaps this is all just uh The keys draggling in front of our eyes, and they have bigger moves planned in the background. Could be fun.
Could be not the case. Um I'd say go for it either way. I mean, what do we want picks for? We're terribly drafting. Um Even if we do make these moves and Giannis Avengi does ask out, hey, at least the pieces we have left behind are still.
Uh better than guys that we draft and never do anything with.
So why not, right? Take a chance, go crazy. Anyway, that's all I got to say. Thanks for listening, and thanks for doing the show. Peace.
Bye. Shout out to David in Buffalo. David has been a great caller of the Bart Winkler Show on the Infinity Sports Network. David called in with some thoughts on the NBA Cup. The NBA Cup, something that I talked a lot about on Wednesday's show.
The Knicks did not hang a banner. I think that's incredibly lame. The NBA Cup. Look, don't be embarrassed if you want to try in the NBA Cup. It's a competition, you're into it, you tried, you won, and then you're like embarrassed that you did it.
You can't just Sleep with a girl and then walk her out of the room, and then your college buddies are like, Oh, we just talked. You can't do that. You had relations with a young lady and you had a bonding and, you know, whatever. You know, be proud of your I don't wanna say achievements, but Yeah. Just, you know.
Be proud of your achievements. Be proud of the NBA Cup.
Someday in 50 years, the NBA Cup is going to matter because it's not going away. And the Knicks will win another one, and they will put up a banner. With 2025 on it.
So just do it now. I saw a report the Lakers want to take theirs down now. Come on. Come on. I keep saying you don't need to put up one banner.
It says NBA Cup, but put up an NBA banner. IMBA Cup banner, didn't the Bucks do this where it's like it's just gonna have the years on them if they win more than one? Like when you go to gyms across the country, high school gyms, and you can see boys golf, girls' golf, boys' track, girls' track, and it shows you all the different years they won conference. Just to, you know, and then the people can come back and say, hey, I was a part of that. I don't see what the harm is.
So I understand it's not the NBA Finals. But it's also not nothing. I think we've gotten to the point where it's not nothing. But here's David in Buffalo. Mark, what's up?
This is David from Buffalo calling in, man. Got a take on the NBA Cup. And I'm just going to put it this way. Congrats to the Knicks for winning. This is the equivalent of a PJ Tour golfer winning the FedEx Cup.
It's a nice story, but I mean, what do they do in the majors? What do they do at Augusta? What do they do at the PJA Championship or the British Open or the U.S. Open? That's what really matters when you're a championship caliber player team, whatever you want to say.
The playoffs are what matters. The NBA Cup is the equivalent of the FedEx Cup. It's a cash grab, and it's just another way to get people to try to get interested in this. When people are really not that interested in the NBA, I mean, de facto opening day is Christmas Day. I mean, nobody cares about the NBA really up until then.
I mean, so at the end of the day, look, you know, the game was on Amazon Prime. It's kinda cool to promote that Amazon does the NBA now. But how many people really cared about this, honestly? I don't know. I mean, it just didn't seem it never had seemed that interesting.
I guess they're trying to jazz up the season and everything like that, but The end of the day, man, congrats to Tommy Fleetwood. Err, the New York Knicks. For taking home the so-called FedEx Cup of the NBA. I'm out. And then, lastly, what an incredible message from Corey in Manitowoc.
He's called in, he says a few times. I'm very, Corey, very familiar with your calls and appreciate those. But Corey recorded me a message. I had tweeted this. Uh with a special guest, Corey, I just thought the world of this.
Hey Bart, this is uh Corey from Antwalk, long time listener of the Winklerverse. I've called a few times. I do have a special guest who wants to say hello. and wish you luck. Hi Mark, my name is Sister Rosaire.
I am a good listener to you. and I'm sorry to see you have to go.
So I wish you well. And Merry Christmas to you and your family, and I hope you find a good job to fit your talents.
So that's Sister Rosaire from the Franciscan Sisters of Christian Charity up here in Manitowoc, and she's a loyal listener to your night show, and she's going to miss it 'cause she listens to you every night.
So maybe I can get her on the podcast or Get her listening to that.
So, Merry Christmas for Mantoak.
So, there you go. And that's typically what we'll do with the voicemails: you know, every maybe once a week or a while, or maybe there'll be some voicemail episodes. It's a good way to still. The reason the voicemail line started is because one of the key components of the podcast or of the show that I did in Milwaukee was the listener interaction. And that's continued on the national show.
And we found a way to work it out here with the link and people chiming in. But not everybody wants to be in front of a computer or have their video live or whatever. And so there's still another way to have your say, be a part of the Winklerverse and get it out and get some reaction.
So that is still kicking again: 402-915-2278.
So, yeah, if you're listening to this. I posted this on Thursday the 18th. It may be hours until or hours after my final national show. Which means it's going to get cranked up again on the podcast. Not that it hasn't.
We've still been cranking out two, three episodes a week. Have not missed the Packer postgames. The Bucs postgames will come back. Uh there'll there'll be just there'll there'll be more stuff. There are people that you've told me you wanted on the show.
They're going to at least get an email, and I'll at least try. I r I really want to make infrastructure week a thing.
So we'll continue. With that. In the meantime, go pack, go. We will talk soon. And thank you, as always, for stopping into the Winklerverse.
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