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I'm Bart Winkler. Welcome into the Winklerverse. Happy Thanksgiving. The turkey is waiting for me, so we'll talk for a little bit. And everybody can enjoy the day in the second game here with the Cowboys, Chiefs, obviously Ravens.
Bengals tonight, you already know that. 41 straight years, by the way, of not doing any cooking on Thanksgiving. I'm very excited about that. um if anybody wants to join if you're able to I will put the link up otherwise we will just uh talk okay first things first Packers got the win first things first actually where do I begin well let's begin with the big three the three guys that I talk about the most one Matt LaFleur great game the entirety of this game I loved him going on fourth downs I loved him at the end there, which we'll talk about. He knew that the lions play very well and fast and good on Thanksgiving and at home.
I think there's a little bit of a edge with Dan Campbell. I think Matt LaFleur might have a little complex with Dan Campbell. That's what we need more of these, these games where he's like playing against his friends or people he respects and like likes. I don't like that games where he's playing against somebody. He needs to prove something against let's do that I like that very good game for Matt LaFleur today the decisions at the end first of all when Christian Watson caught the ball and he went out of bounds I didn't mind that that's where it was being led to also you needed the first down more than anything fine the third down pass that was right to Watson I didn't mind that either it makes sense with how things are going.
Fourth and three, they go for it again. Always do what the other team doesn't want you to do. I mean, seriously, always do what the other team doesn't want you to do. And I think with that fourth and third, Dan Campbell and the Lions wanted them to go for it because it's a shorter field, no timeouts. They have a minute 30 left.
They don't have to worry about the clock. They can just do what they want for the next 90 seconds and go down the field. But obviously, if the Packers get a first down, then they can't do it. Even if they punt or kick a long field goal, I guess. But I'm glad with that.
I like when teams try to win football games. That's my big gripe about LeFleur a lot, is it seems like he's trying to keep one score games, one score games, or two score games, two score games.
So not only was his fourth down decision-making not conservative, which I don't think that that's been the case, and we've talked about this. I don't think Matt LaFleur is conservative on fourth downs. That's more characteristic. I think just the general play calling of a game tends a little more conservative. Obviously, they won, but even if they had blown it, But, you know, even somebody who's looking at LeFleur like this, with that Megan, I can't find any real legitimate criticisms about Matt LeFleur today unless I was really, really, really, really trying hard.
So very excited about that. And he's got my blessings, so that's all that matters to him, of course. Jordan Love was great. Jordan Love was great. Does Jordan Love look like Brett Favre when he throws the football?
He does not. Does Jordan Love look like Aaron Rodgers when he throws the football? He does not. Is that what it is to you? Because I don't know what more, after having those two quarterbacks, I don't know what more you could ask for.
There was the play to Wicks early where Jordan Love saved a play, evaded a sack, scrambled, tried to fight, or it was melting down the sideline, and, you know, people texting, whatever, Oh, love, you know, moment got too big for love, whatever. I think that's just us being picky. I think Jordan Love is imperfect. He is not a perfect quarterback. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
He's good. 18 to 30, 234 yards, four touchdowns for the third time ever. He was great. Josh Jacobs, really good after missing some time. Legs were churning four and a half yards of carry.
Watson dropped there late, didn't love. it was certainly a pass interference on him not called but he had a good game 4 of 80 for a score Dobbs had a score Musgrave did have a big catch when they needed him And Dontavian Wick 6 of 94 two touchdowns great game That first touchdown, I can see why they, if they, you know, kind of tie goes to the runner, but first half ref seemed to kind of be in the Packers tank, and then second half ref seemed to kind of be in the Lions tank to extend the win. In Walmart's Huluville, everyone ready their cart. amazing black friday deals are about to start online and in the app such great deals to explore everything you love from tech toys and more the days to save and the ones to remember it's only the 25th to the 30th of november set your alarms don't miss out these deals are epic without a doubt the who's are already but are you walmart black friday deals await who knew if you're looking for new ways to get ahead, then you're our kind of person. We're Udemy, and we help learners like you upskill in AI, productivity, leadership and management, and more.
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Now, back to your regularly scheduled listening. Again, turkey's on.
So we got a little bit of time here, but we always have time for Hot Take, Jake. In the Northwoods or just a really rustic home? Yeah, no, this is my in-law's sunroom, I guess you could call this thing. I don't know. Is that what they call these things?
It looks good. Definitely looks like, you know, if you get a hotel at one of those Dell's resorts, like one of the themed room kind of things. we'll see i'll have to man the mute button pretty liberally the audience the internet's like not good fair enough all right we don't always have time for hot take take jake he tried and it was good to see him and it looks like he got a fresh haircut uh so that was that was nice to see him uh lafleur was aggressive that's from mill bucks two two six yes now lions fans can shut the hell up that's from mr i'm still dead long time supporter of the channel uh jake did make a comment bart looks like he's about to be gifted an n64 yeah i'm in a nice basement here um you know nice um Bart's first words Matt LaFleur with credit credit where credit is due I've always been that kind of guy I am always a give credit where give credit is due kind of guy so don't you ever mistake me for anything else Q just like I've always said Matt LaFleur has huge balls never doubt the man again I do think that he is a little more aggressive on fourth downs than the average coach I think it's the play calling that sometimes suspect I think there was something to him taking on Dan Campbell I think there was something uh to that uh my buddy that was bad play calling at the end Wicks bailed him out I I don't think so maybe you don't love like the route concept or maybe that was a risky throw. I mean, again, it worked out.
So, but I am, I'm glad that they went for it. I did tweet it prior if you need a timestamp, but I, I just think that you need to try to win games. That was what bothered me against Detroit or Dallas. Cause he didn't try to win that game. He tried to tie.
He was playing to tie or he's playing not to give the ball back to Brandon Aubrey.
Okay. But there's been other cases like this. I like what the Giants did last week against the lions. They had a, they were up what a field goal and they, they went forward. And then the lions had a field goal and tied and went to overtime.
But I, I like that. I like that they did that.
So I like when teams try to win right after the Packers tie the, the Rams, the Rams tried to win and they lost to the Niners on that Thursday night. but I like when teams do try to get the win. What is the latest on Devante Wyatt? It probably does not look good.
Now, was that part of the thinking? With not wanting to send the defense back out there? I don't know that one guy changes everything, unless that one guy is the other guy that we need to talk about, Micah Parsons. Micah Parsons, obviously, a couple of big moments for him today. Parsons finishing this game with two and a half sacks, four hits on the quarterback, that last sack on golf.
You know, I was wondering if they were going to throw some BS penalty, like, Oh, he landed his body, but Micah came in, got right off of them. The helmet was in a good spot. Just really good technique. Also on running plays can't stop the run.
Well, he's also a pass rusher and not paid to do that, but he was involved in some of the running plays.
So really, really good there. Uh, some concern about why it from some of the comments that are coming in, um, here, uh, there's one from Tom boot says it never felt like we were in danger of losing that game We always had an answer Yeah It didn feel quite like the Minnesota game where it never felt like that obviously with J McCarthy being bad and Jared Goff and the Lions are going to score The other thing was Amon Ross St Brown How different is this game if Amon Ross St. Brown doesn't get hurt right away? But Jamison Williams stepped up. They were also without Laporta.
I think where I credit the Packers defense a lot is Jameer Gibbs, while still effective, three catches, 18 yards, 68 carries, 20 touches. He had 23 touches. I mean, if you're a fantasy owner, you've gotten a lot more out of Jameer Gibbs than that, especially the last couple of weeks. But making him not as big of a factor as he was, I think, was pretty massive. I think that was, I think that was pretty massive.
Indeed. Let's see. Oh, you think Jake's connection was fine? I think my connection's a little shitty, but this is going to be a short special Thanksgiving one anyway, as I have, again, the turkey 41 years. The Who's Down and Who Newville were making their list, but some didn't know.
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Ben, are you good? Yeah, can you hear me? Yeah, we're all good. See, we're all good. Go Pack Go!
How about that? Great game. I put on a nicer shirt for Thanksgiving, but I am still wearing a hat. I have to wear a hat. I'm fresh from the family's Thanksgiving, so I'm still head to toe out of the car.
But excellent game. Excellent game. I think Matt LaFleur went for the win on every opportunity. Even when the ball was thrown to Wicks on fourth down and the catch was questionable, I was still 100% behind the play call. That's what we need.
I guess it seems like fourth and one, fourth and two, fourth and three, they're always chucking it down the field, which might be maybe with Jaden Reback or maybe with Tucker Craft. that doesn't, they don't look for those home run shots, but it's Thanksgiving and they won. We can complain about that when they lose to the bears.
Now that you bring up Tucker craft too, um, the lions were without Laporta were without craft. We didn't have read. They didn't have St. Brown. Like everybody's fighting injuries.
We still find a way to win. And it was a great game, offense, defense. And we didn't really have to worry about special teams because we scored touchdowns yeah did we how many times did we punt one two i don't know uh two punts they punted twice did any kick returns uh they returned a few kicks i guess oh and a big play was uh walker recovering dobbs's fumble on the goal line yes huge that would have been terrible had we given up the ball in that situation so just you know a little bit of luck went our way too on this happy thanksgiving uh boots also says i heard from week one the lions kept saying they had something for us on thanksgiving yeah this is uh this is a season sweep of the lions as well like this is pretty massive and of course had they lost by the end of the weekend they could be out of the playoff picture. They didn't need to win this game. It wasn't a must win in terms of the playoffs.
I'm not even sure it was a must win in terms of the NFC North, but I don't like the way that the season started and the, the, the level of talent that we think this team has, like we, you know, we should be, we should be winning more of these games and we're losing, which they did. And to get a season win over the lions, I think that just, it makes you feel good. I think this supports your claim on your national show too, where you were talking about the giants last week going for it. It may not have been the last play of the game in this situation, but the situations that occurred where we made the decision to make the play have now altered the playoff picture, right? Like this wasn't a must win game, but when you win a game the way we want it, it's just going to have huge implications down the road.
oh yeah um and then now we still got the bears twice the vikings so i'm feeling good about the bears now feeling good about the bears i kind of think they win tomorrow you think we win both or you think the bears win one i think the bears beat the Eagles Oh you think the bears beat the Eagles I don know about that We see Tim Shea is a YouTube account.
So it's time to give Matt LaFleur his flowers. Can't wait for me to say it. Yeah. He called a good game. What else do you want me to say?
Let me get Mark in here quick. Mark. I'm not going to stay much longer, but what do you got? Good win. I don't know where Sean Gary's been last couple weeks.
Yeah, I would like to see what his snap count's been. That's been the concern. What else did you think? First good game in about a year. First good game?
Play calling-wise, yeah. Yeah, I mean, admittedly, I'm probably harder on Matt LaFleur than most people, but... The Steelers game was a good second half, but I think complete game-wise might be on to something there.
Well. How do you feel about the stretch run, Mark? I think they could win the division now. I mean, they've got a good defense. Yeah, that was a big game.
Mark, I'm glad you're here, first of all. I saw you at a Brewers game this summer. When? I don't know. I was maybe June.
You walked by, and then you had gone. I go, I know that guy. Oh, that was Mark. That was Mark. I was telling my wife.
I was like, that was Mark. I know him. And then I was stuck, so I couldn't come hunt you down. And that would have been weird, but I saw you. Isn't that fun?
Sure. All right. I'm kicking you both out. I'm going to get the turkey. Happy Thanksgiving.
Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Good to see you again, Mark. Mark, got the tree up already. Ben, looking good.
Yeah, just a little guy here today. Remember, we're brought to you by Happy Place Hemp. Promo code is BART25% off each and every order at Happy Place Hemp. I'm going to be nice and available for the family today. And then as soon as the kid goes down, I'm watching Joe Burrow throw for five touches with a little seltzer.
Joe Burrow. He's like, oh, I loved watching Matt Stafford back in the day through all those touchdowns, so many yards. They always lost though.
So I'm motivated to play a bunch of Joe Burrow props. I mentioned Micah Parsons. I mentioned Micah Parsons. I mentioned Micah Parsons. I mentioned Micah Parsons.
People trying to say the halftime wasn't the tits can screw off. I didn't see it. I was prepping for this. Rashawn Gary, like Ben Sheets, used to be for the Brewers. sure all right so we're very excited um Packers got the win against the Lions I can go now to the in-laws a lot of Bears fans there I can wear the GB hat they could say what's that sad for go Bears actually kind of funny uh but I can get I got the big win today and I can talk about the Packers with pride and not have to, you know, answer questions about Jordan Love.
I think that's a, that's a big one. Jordan Love had a great game. Matt LaFleur had a great game. Micah Parsons had a great game. The receivers mostly had a great game.
Wicks getting the ball in there. Octavian Wicks. Could that be the guy? Could that be the guy? Dobbs.
Great game. Oh, great game. Jake did have another comment about LaFleur. while I was fully ready to give LaFleur props, I don't think I can ever truly believe because the same cycle happens every year. Playoffs, pants.
I'll say crapping because I don't think I've sworn yet. I did say tits. I don't know where that falls in line. And it's a family. It's a family day.
But yeah, you know, nothing gets won in November. The same reason that I'm not going to celebrate the Bears winning the North already because they didn't. The same reason I'm not going to celebrate the North because we didn't. I'm not going to celebrate. But this was a nice win.
They play on Thanksgiving, which I hate. It throws a wrench into the travel plans. It throws a wrench into, like, everything. It throws a wrench into it. But, you know, if you were having some cocktails and now you got a bunch of turkey and now you're going to take a nap and the Packers won, I guess then playing on Thanksgiving is actually pretty damn sweet.
Dam's not a swear word if it's in the name of the town, like Beaver Dam.
So if it's in a town, you can say it. Also like fucksylvania. It's a little town. Not too many people are familiar with it. All right, go back, go have a great Thanksgiving.
Thanks for popping in for a couple of minutes. Tell your friends to like and subscribe. Thanks for stopping into the Winklerverse. Jake, sorry. It was on my end.
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