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joining us that may have heard about the show. Via The Bart Winkler Show. As I've promoted it a lot lately. Anyway, uh goodbye. Why?
Why more than usual? I'm proud of it.
Well, if you're not going to be able to do a property like this, it's hard not to be proud of it. I'm just proud of it. I want more people to get to know Grant Bills alongside here. From the list of the sports show. Yeah.
Uh Paul Imig? I want more people to get to know you, friend of show, friend of life. Sure. I want people to get to know you. Yeah, I've just been uh I've just been I've been doing that.
Also, the other thing. Um Grant, you got me all fired up. I put on the Packers shareholder shirt today. Let's go. Not to just piggyback off what you're doing and steal your thunder.
Not stealing at all. But I am the the Packers The Packers shareholder thing, I just noticed you threw it. What did you throw it out there in just like a gentle quib, and then you got some people riled up? The Packers owner thing, like I I don't I It's jealousy, right? Or it's like, hey, that's kind of cool.
But they're doing it so it's lame. Yes. Like, if we just stripped everything we know about sports and threw us into today. Thanksgiving Eve, Eve, Blackout Wednesday, Eve, the phrase that I invented. Um And you're just like, hey, wouldn't you know it, the St.
Louis Cardinals have been fan-owned since 1913. We'd be like, God, that is so lame. Yeah. But they'd be like, what do you mean? It's awesome.
And it would be awesome. But We oh, the when the uh Orlando Magic. joined in the 80s. They decided to have a fan ownership. We'd say, what the hell?
And they'd be like, oh, I'm a magic owner. I get to vote on the board of the magic. And you'd be like, God, it's so stupid. But it's not. It's just something cool to say.
I don't mind if people think. Think I don't mind if people think like So these guys Have a piece of paper. It says they own a team. Granted, this was a sale that needed to occur 100 years ago, or the Packers don't exist. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so they've kept on those traditions so that what? They can build more seats. Even though you are keeping them viable in the same way we were. A century ago. Uh I I can still see if someone just doesn't get it.
or think that's lame. But the arguments that I always go to We've essentially, I mean, imagine growing up as a Packer fan. And they're still here. But do you know how many years of my life would have been are the Packers going to move? Yeah.
Every time there would have been a new owner. Even when there wasn't, anytime there would have been any sort of change, anytime there would have been any bad period, I don't even know that they make it to the 90s. With how bad the seventies and eighties were. The seventies and the eighties. I've heard about those.
I mean, what would be worse? Could you imagine being like, we had a team in Green Bay until 1985 and then it moved to Charlotte? Like, that would suck, dude. That would suck so much. Um So Wouldn't you pay?
Just the 250 or 300 bucks, just to know that you never had to deal with that. Ever. We had it with the Bucs. We've had it with the Brewers. We'll have it again.
I would pay right now. The dividend thing is what drives me nuts. The dividend. Oh, because I'm not collecting $7.33 on this piece of paper I willingly bought. It's no good.
I'm not collecting on my car. I'm not collecting on my house. These are other things I own that I'm proud of. Hey, I've also, you know, tried to been dabbling in Bitcoin. That's something I own, and I'm losing my ass.
So maybe owning something and not losing money. Maybe that's a win.
So you got me all fired up. We own the team. Paul, of course, can't. Because he used to cover them. Do you want to know?
Well, two things. One, this is a this is a tried and true go-to Bart Winkler original take, but the Wouldn't you pay $250 to make sure the brewers never left? Wouldn't you pay $250 to make sure the Bucs never left? And a heartbutted, but not even to never leave, Paul. To never have to deal with the it's cheaper to keep them.
Here's the sign, you know. To just not have to deal with any of that ever is more than worth that. Yeah. Yeah, and of course mo most fan bases. Especially bigger markets.
90% of markets will never have to worry about moving, right? But for the 10%, where it's at least a possibility, what would St. Louis Rams fans in St. Louis give to have not lost the Rams? A lot of money.
Even Bears fans saying the Bears will never leave. Brother, the White Sox may leave. That's Chicago. Nobody's as immune as they think they are. Nobody is.
Nobody is. The Brooklyn Dodgers. We're never gonna leave. different different time. I mean, like.
Do like New Jersey Nets fans feel betrayed, or is Brooklyn close enough? Probably they would feel betrayed, right? Like, it's a whole different state. Although the New York Giants and New York Jets play in New Jersey. I don't know how they would feel, but certainly like.
Bart, we grew up, we watched when we were four years old watched the St. Louis Rams in the Super Bowl. If we were from St. Louis, we would have, in our prime teenage years, watched our team in the Super Bowl. And then fast forward to being parents and been like, So We used to have a football team here.
Uh, they are now in Los Angeles, so I guess I kind of cheer for them, but it's complicated. That would suck. That's harder than the birds and the bees talk. It's right up there. We used to have a football team in our city, kid.
I told my son, I was trying to tell my kid about the Milwaukee Braves. That the Brays used to be in Milwaukee and they won a title. Here And then he said. Like Don't you think that Braves' numbers should be retired by the Brewers, Hank Conda forever? And that's the kind of pop culture crossover that I can get behind.
Obviously, that story. At first though I thought and it's like there's he's six. No, he did not uh The other thing I was going to say in response. I think I covered just one Packers shareholder offering. What do you think media covering the Packers think?
privately About those who willingly spend the $250.
Well, media thinks that us common fans are complete and total bonobos. Sports reporters, sports writers would do their job without. Fans. It's like a Veep when they say the executive branch of the White House would work so much better without a president.
So we work around that. That's how you people feel about it. Sports writers don't write for the people picking up the paper, they write for the guy in the column next to theirs. Oh, good take. They're writing for each other, they're writing for us.
That's why we have to have all these Blogs and podcasts, and we have to say. This is for the fans, by the fans. That's what we have to do. That's true. Yeah, no comments on that part, but Grant, great V pull.
And Of comment on that part. I love Ben Cafferty. I'm sorry. Was I misguided in my guess of how? You, I would love to be in the confines of that conversation, but remember, I.
Applied to the Packers to cover the shareholders as a media, and they said just sit in the stands instead. Oh, that's the worst. That's the worst. Hey, can we get a guest on? Our media day was last Monday.
Any and all were free to attend. It's like, I know, but can you just give him a phone for 10 minutes, please? Get him on the show. Whatever. It's fine.
How do people in that business not understand that you doing 10 minutes? live one-on-one. With a player. is better for everybody than going with a recorder. getting like a four minute And you ever you ever realize like When I interview someone on the phone, And it's 10 minutes?
It feels like 10 minutes. Mm-hmm. But when I interse someone with a microphone live, And it's three minutes, it feels like 37 minutes. Why is that? I did four minutes with Trevor McGill.
I thought it was 40. I was scared shitless the whole time and ran out of batteries. I don't even have the audio. I don't even have the audio. I just pretended I'm like, oh, I looked down.
I'm like, that didn't record. Thank you, Trevor. Appreciate it. That's a good take, actually. Kudos to Logan Schaefer for once doing it twice with me, by the way.
No. Yeah. That sucks. Because I was so scared of what they would say if I didn't have Logan Schaefer for the Zee Bart on Deck show. that I had to uh track him back down in the side equipment room.
on the in the tunnel out to the dugout. Appreciate it. Logan, I'm sorry to bother you. We just talked. It didn't record.
I didn't press play. It's not. He was like. What? I have his autograph on my glove.
I got it at spring training as a young child. Man, they used to have the Ondex show and the. the post-game sh and producers to cover Yeah, feels like so long ago. Did you get a bunch of things? Anyway.
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Well, what do you got for us, Iron Boy?
Well, we just got past nine minutes, so let's talk about nine. Shall we? J. G. McCarthy.
JG, so there are six games left in the Viking season. And there are 17 games next season. That's a total of 23 games. Why do I tell you that? JJ McCarthy will start fewer than 25 more games in his NFL career.
Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm. In other words, if he starts all six this year, he might not. He's concussed. And then all 17 next year, that would be 23.
Okay. JG McCarthy will start fewer than 24 more games in his everlasting career. Why don't we also put this in like that? You get a million bucks if you're right. Nothing if you're wrong.
Where are you putting it? JJ would start fewer than 25 more. Mm-hmm. Or would you like me to go first on this one, Bart? I feel strongly.
Sure. Okay, I'll go because here was my thought, Paul. Typically, when a quarterback is drafted and they suck. And they go somewhere else. Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones, they're going to a better situation, typically, if they go on to succeed.
Yeah. Where is J.J. McCarthy going to go? That's better than this. He's got awesome wide receivers, a good O-line, two good running backs, and the coach who saves bad quarterbacks.
Right.
So. I would think, well, he's a top draft pick. Of course, he'll get another opportunity, but where? right the jet like he's supposed to go revive his career with the jets so i I think I'll say mm. Bart.
Now you know Bart. JJ McCarthy will start fewer than 25 more games in his NFL career. I can't give a real answer because of fantasy football. I know you can't.
So when he came out, like when they all came out. I thought, who was in the?
So Caleb, I thought, was QB1. No, you saw Penix was Ki V1. Oh, yeah, Pennex. I was going to say two.
Okay, Pennex one, Caleb two. Daniels, I was like. Iffy on, I think May, you were pretty iffy on Nick. You were if Nick's, I thought, could be. I liked how much.
Game time. Like, I do like when guys are like, oh, he played for college in five years. I like that. That's good. Except when they've had three knee repairs, but yeah.
McCarthy, I thought, was going to be not good. I didn't think he did anything at Michigan. And then he got drafted by the Vikings. And then I took him in the third round of a fantasy draft I'm in with you, Dynasty, and then people were offering me first for him, and I said no, and now. I'm never going to get that back.
I mockingly. Suggested a 2028 fourth. For J.J. McCarthy. I think Paul would have given me all his firsts for Hubbard and McCarthy at the beginning of the year.
And I said, Boy, would you like to rewind on Chuba Hubbard and J.J. McCarthy three months ago? To both of them, um, exactly, but I also do give quarterbacks a longer leash. I'm just, I don't. I'm not willing to quit on guys.
But McCarthy, I'll say this because As much as I was like. Perturbed. That LaFleur made a two-scar game, a two-scar game. By kicking a field goal. And again, If I may just pivot to the little floor corner of the show.
Just Just like he does not earn, and I've already said this take, but I'll say it here. He does not earn the benefit of the doubt. Like, if you're like, oh, well, love's hurt and they have a short week, like, that's why he's playing conservative. That makes sense if this wasn't the same game plan he had against Carolina. against Cleveland.
So I want to believe you, but He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. But the reason that I wasn't so. Like I just looked at that as an opportunity to shit on LaFleur and I took it. But the reason I wasn't like in the moment worried about, oh no, it's gonna come back to bite them. Was because the Vikings were doing nothing on offense, and McCarthy instilled no fear at all into anybody.
I mean, I'm not sure. Certainly not this season. Where I felt less fear of a quarterback. Even Bryce Young or Dylan Gabriel. Flacco times two.
Or no, Flacco. We didn't face Gabriel. Flacco. I really might have to go back to. Same as Winston, did you say?
Jameis I might have to go back to Joe Webb. That play yeah bite yeah that yeah where I just did not Have any concern? about what the other quarterback was going to do. And that's very bad. That's a very bad sign.
Now, 25 starts. I will think he gets more than 25 starts.
So I'll be the tiebreaker and definitively go with Grant on he will not, sorry, I guess I would say he will start fewer. Than 25 more games. I think the difference is: so, like, we just mentioned Wednesday. Stab Grant? Yeah.
If you treat some folks on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream, the DSYT. Yeah. If you're a top two pick. Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota are both starting games this season for teams as backups, right? They were the number one and number two overall pick.
Hyped up to be good. How many more games will Zach Wilson start, right? I mean, if Sam Darnold had not had. The Renaissance with the Vikings. And he didn't get to your point, Grant, about why McCarthy.
Where's he going to go? Because he already has Kevin O'Connell. If Darnold hadn't had. The The opportunity to go with a coach like that, where else would he have gone? Like, you're not going to do the reverse Darnold from the Vikings to the Jets and then be like, all right, my career is resurrected.
I just was in a bad situation. You're in an incredible situation. The thing I would say on the pro side. Not enough to flip my vote, but he's only 22. Pennix, same draft, is like four years older.
So even if he backs up for six years as a number two. and then comes into a game and plays well. and then gets a starting job for a year. But I don't see it at all. Whatever the ankle thing was earlier in the year, where was he hurt?
Did O'Connell just be like, I think Carson Wentz gives us a better chance to win? What is that saying about it? But this is a decision. That clearly has destroyed the Viking season, having Daniel Jones and Donald in the building. In other in so many ways, choosing McCarthy.
Did they get outbid on Daniel Jones, or did Daniel Jones choose the Colts? If you gave him 10 million bucks more or a multi-year contract, he would have to.
Well, they passed on Jones, who makes 15, to sign Carson Wentz, who makes 1.2. Right, but the point is, is like I've heard people say.
Well, Daniel Jones chose to go to the Colts. He chose them over the Vikings. Yeah. Efforts were similar. And he had a better chance to beat on Anthony Richardson at the time than he did going against a guy coming back from an injury in McCarthy, who was just a first-round pick that previous year.
If you would have said, Hey, Daniel Jones, we believe in you. Here's three for 60. He wouldn't have chosen the Colts, right? And like if Darnold, if they had not, if they had made a more serious bid for him, he wouldn't have gone to Seattle. Anyway, it's a It's a franchise fucking move, like with a hyphen in the middle, right?
It fucked your franchise. You see the modifier there, Grant? All of it to say, I think McCarthy is. While young, and while he will get other chances because he's a first-round pick and he has the pedigree of a good college court, well, a successful, I don't know if good, but successful in the standings college court. I just don't.
I don't see it. I just don't know how he continues to get starts, whether here or elsewhere. Enough to go into 2020. Again, if he starts every game this year and every game next year, he's still too shy of my hypothetical 25 number. I don't think he's starting games in 2027 and beyond to hit my minimum requirement.
McCarthy will start fewer than 25 games in his NFL career from here, from this point on. It will be fewer than 25. I will say he's the worst starter, hands down, right? Unless there's someone I'm missing. Can't you also get six or seven backups that he's markedly worse than right now?
Like, he's not the 32nd worst quarterback in football. Like, I wouldn't want him as my backup. Right.
I could get a better backup right now. Malik Willis, you would not try. I mean, like, if you're the Packers and you're like, hey, like, you. Your contender-ish, you're going to like very likely make the playoffs. Do you want him to add McCarthy for nothing, but you have to drop Malik Willis?
Hell no. No, Mac Jones, Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston. Yeah, right. Yeah. I have a there have been some good backup performances this year.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a phrase. That I'd like to introduce into the proceedings. Please, Bart. Um I would say, I don't even know if this is said the right way.
Yeah. No, it is actually the wrong way.
Okay. You know how they I'm trying to figure so Uh don't let good be the enemy of great. Don't let good get in the way of perfection or something. Don't let perfection get in the way of good or something like that. Yeah.
Like Fan is short, if you like. The Vikings are trying They had Case Keenan, who got him to an NFC championship. Yeah. And they're like, this is not enough. We need Kirk Cousins.
Never got back. They had Sam Darnold who got him to 14 wins. This is not enough. We need JJ McCarthy. They are looking for this perfect guy that's gonna take them over the hump when I think Darnold showed you.
You didn't need that. I mean, Darnold, what's he doing with JSN right now? Why is he doing that? Oh, because Darnold likes to target number one receivers. And you have one of the best of them.
Yeah. And this guy is not catching balls right now, Justin Jefferson, because McCarthy's not giving. Him opportunities to do so. If anyone should be AJ Browning themselves out of the league. It's him.
So I think the Vikings keep. And another tweet I saw, I just want to mention too: Bears fans griping about the owners. Like, who would you rather have? Me and Grant as your owners or nine McCasky kids? Also, no one invited them.
It was a tweet back at a Vikings account. Why are you in. Why are you involved in the family? Why are they saying fuck Green Bay on their way out after beating the Steelers? Yeah, I don't know.
Why are they saying that at Wrigley Field? Why are we nerds for pointing that out? We're not little little pointing out your little brotherness does not make us little brother. Mm-hmm. That's a nice example.
It might. I don't know. Maybe it's not about Little Brother. and Big Brother. Maybe they're middle child.
Which would be even worse. With all due respect. Interesting. I don't deal with any of this. Nonsense.
An eldest child myself over here. Paul, how about you? Same. Yeah, you can feel that aura in the show. Absolutely.
Okay. Packers, we went Packers adjacent.
Now let's go Packers direct. There are at least Three NFC teams more likely to represent the conference in the Super Bowl than the Green Bay Packers. At least. Three. I will tell you.
The odds As they currently stand, have the Packers as the fifth. Favorite team in the NFC to represent it. That is the. Betting aspect of it, but what is the Grant and Bart aspect of it? The Packers are Vegas says that's what Vegas says.
There are at least three NFC teams, in your opinion, more likely to represent the conference in the Super Bowl than the Green Bay Packers. Or Okay. All right, so Here's how we'll play this fun game. You get 50 million dollars. Yeah.
$10 million. and one million dollars. 50, 10, and 1, okay. Pick your three NFC Super Bowl representatives. To win fifty?
Yeah. For fifty million dollars. I might have to go over to Grandsite and put the LA Rams.
So it's depth. I mean, the Rams are unquestioned in one of my three for the 50 million. Eagles. For 10 million, I would put the Eagles. I'm glad they actually lost.
Me too. Because they've been acting like they've been losing? The analogy I keep giving on the Bar Winkler's show, Get Em While They're Hot, is. They are acting like me in college. They are having a perfectly fine time.
Everything's fine. They have fine friends. They can get a little strange. On the side, maybe not the strange that you're pining over, but I mean. This is minor league ball.
All hits count the same. No one's looking at the box score and digging through. What kind of pitch do you have? Fan graphs don't exist. No, it's all a hit or an out.
It's the quality of the pitcher. It's when batting average mattered. Yeah. Different era. Different era.
Yeah. And you can't compare eras, Paul. That's the thing. Yet here I am being all garbage, being all I'm only happy when it rains, being all emo, being all I wanna live my life like I'm Seth Cohen, always looking out the window to an emotional song, getting on a sailboat, heading up to Portland. I'm sorry, this is you in college?
Grants Yeah. Yeah, it was an emo piece of shit.
Okay. And that's what the Eagles are. They're so emo. They are so They are so Ryan Atwood about it. It is so gross.
I'll find out what it is. Oh see. It's just so it's so lame or so Julie Cooper.
So everything's always something. And now they finally lost, so good. But I would put 50 on the Rams, 10 on the Eagles. And maybe a million on the lions. Oh, I misunderstood.
Okay, so I don't get to put three teams in my 50 million bucket. I gotta divert, I gotta, I see. The Rams are absolutely my $50 million team. The Eagles are absolutely my $10 million team. They're the top two.
And Vegas agrees. Mm-hmm. I think I'd go, I mean. Right.
One of those, you don't have to say how much of your own money. Would you put on the Packers?
Well, you would take that. As a person in Wisconsin, right, you would. At least put the million on the Packers because you'd be pissed that they would make the Super Bowl because they didn't. But if you were to remove that. aspect of it, I would do the lions.
But because it's not the fifty or the ten million and it's only one million I think the pain of not picking the Packers as you watch them. advance to the Super Bowl would be too much. But in a neutral setting, in a neutral state, you- Yeah. Lions. Like Rams one Eagles two, Lions three.
But Packer's right. Packer's right there. Grant. I would, I mean, the Rams are very Rob Thomas. They're very the last beautiful girl, if you will.
They're the last contender that hasn't given us a month where we're like, I don't know. You know what I mean? Like Eagles, we're like, I don't know. The Lions, you know, for as dog-ass as J.J. McCarthy is, I can't get it out of my head.
That Vikings team went into Ford Field and beat the Lions this calendar month.
So while I think the Lions are great. And would be. And they almost lost to the Giants. They needed the Giants to do the right decision, go on a fourth down, try to win. Correct.
Correct. Got punished for good behavior. That's woke. The Rams have not given us Well, and maybe they did. Maybe it was early on.
Maybe I don't remember it. But they're like the last contender that. Like Matt Stafford hasn't had a four-interception game like Sam Darnold. And the Rams, so the Rams would be my number one. My number two.
would probably be the Eagles because I could just see them winning some really Ugly ass playoff games, and we just go, all right, you know, because they win those games without like even giving a shit. I don't know. Mm-hmm. And I think Detroit would probably be three. Here here.
May I posit, like, there's no Seahawks interest at all? No, I thought Seahawks. The Seahawks were the team I was riding until the Rams beat them, and then. You know, I thought the Eagles' defense was great for two weeks and then they Let the Cowboys do that. And you're right.
Right now, the Rams just have the best. Taste in our mouth. I think so. I will say, however, The Lions feel closer to the Packers than ever before. The Eagles, much of the same, and I think they can beat the Rams.
Like, I just because I have three teams in front of them does not mean, like, well, we're not contenders. Like, no, I think the Packers have a great opportunity to be a contender. It's just I would put those three teams slightly ahead of them. Tis the season of gifting and holes to deck, and the Who's and Who Newville were in love with new tech. Where can we find Sonos and Samsung and Nintendo?
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They're getting like. Notre Dame treatment. They are getting like Alabama treatment. Legacy? Yep.
Reputation? Very Taylor Swift of them. Yep, because then this is this is something that I think I've been Kind of uh dicking around with and I saw a tweet last night that Um My radio. That has helped me out with it. Um I say a lot about I say this about the Bills.
Where I just know what the interviews were like this season. In western New York, when they would have on a national NFL writer and be happy to get him on. I know what you're going to say. I know where this is going. Cook, cook, cook, cook, cook, cook, cook.
They would bring on the national guy. The guy I remember doing this all the time was Jason Cole. Remember Jason Cole? Rowback, I do remember Jason Cole.
So he would come on, and he must have done this interview with us three straight years. But we're like, all right, here's the deal. The offensive line is banged up. The defense can't figure it out. The special teams are a mess.
I am presenting to you national guy who is asked about 32 different teams and expected to provide more information than what we have locally. That's exactly where this is going. I think we, I, yeah. I am asking you. What do you see?
Because here's what we see. And the phrase they would always say was. But do you have Aaron Rodgers? If you got Aaron Rodgers, you got a chance. But do you have Aaron Rodgers?
And. We would say, well, yeah, but Well, then you got a chance because Aaron Rodgers is the kind of guy who's going to mask all these things, but he's not. Like, he didn't. The last five years, and sometimes. The team starts to think that way.
So, I think, like, maybe to be fair, he can. Like, Josh Allen has this year, but you can't do it enough. You know what I mean? Like, Aaron Rodgers in 2016 did it by himself. Yes.
But the furthest he could get was the NFC championship game. And that is not, that is not a mark. See, this is why I always say LeBron should get credit for losing in the finals. Because he gets some of these teams. That team had no business being in the NFC Championship game.
Aaron Rodgers got them there.
Now, if you had. better at the positions I griped about. Maybe then you would have gone to a Super Bowl. But if you just dismiss, and if teams dismiss, like, Well, should we go out and trade for this number one receiver? We could.
We give up a lot in Josh Hamlet, like we have Josh Hamlin.
So I know they went through that.
So, what I'm saying is. Yeah. And maybe it took me being in a national host's shoes to realize this. Very big shoes. They don't know anything.
Here's this tweet from a guy named Clayton last night. Oh. I know Clayton. Zach Lowe saying Brooke aged 10 years in the offseason instead of acknowledging he played with Giannis, who covered up his flaws. LOL, no one watches the Bucs.
It's true. And then when you and this is the part that I'm annoyed with. When you're a local fan. And you tell somebody like this. No, the offensive line sucks.
No, Brooke Lopez can't move. You get laughed at. Yes. You, the guy who watches your team. I mean, I complain about some of these little Bucks fans that are 19 years old, but you know what they do?
Even in this society of all this shit going on. They might, after a 10-nothing deficit, be like, oh, fuck, we suck. This is the worst fucking shit ever. Oh, Giannis is out. We're 8-10, worst fucking team ever.
They might go from zero to end of the world way too quickly. But you know what they are doing? They're watching their team. Yeah. They're watching the game.
They're watching 82 games. Do they understand the concepts of basketball as much as some of the guys who played it and now pontificate of the desk of NBA Countdown? Maybe they don't. Do they have eyes that can tell them simple things like Hey, that guy fucking sucks, I think. Yes, they do.
So Local? And I've always said this. Local is the best. Local, if I'm going to keep doing this in this business. Yeah.
I think the national days should be behind me. Yeah. I think local is where I And best served.
So I will Continue to do my job that I love. But There will be an obvious Push. For more. Output transcript And effort. into local Content.
'Cause that is what I know. Local. Clip it.
Okay. He really dialed it up. By the way, that Jason Cole thing, national guests suck. Like, I see some, some. Stations.
It's like we got Adam Schefter Tuesday morning at 7:10. Fuck, I'd rather have Pete Doherty for four minutes than listen to Adam Shafty. I'm dead, I am dead serious. If you want Packers in Alexandria, if we're actually trying to talk about the Packers, and that's not even, that's not shade on Pete Doherty. He's incredible.
I I love me Dordy, but I but I I don't know who's the one. You should want the local perspective.
Now, if it's like you're going to ask. NFL across the board, sure. But like, if you're like, I want to do 10 minutes on Packers, Packers, Packers, Adam Schefter knows shit compared to then, Paul, you know what I mean?
Well, then the host actually has to, hey, how do I frame these questions to get the best out of my guest? No one's fucking Packers Vikings on what'd you think? I thought Matt LaFleur, you know, we're all mad that everyone's conservative. I thought it was pretty good. What do you think, Adam?
Like, yeah, that'll be great content for your look. Anybody who doesn't, anybody in Packer country who doesn't think Matt LaFleur would be hired in three seconds, what are you basing that off of? You know, his agent? Like, what are you basing that off of?
So I've I might have told this story, but This was like my my aha moment, which was. covering the Packers.
So I'm here in the back story. In college, I wrote a piece for the college paper that was called The Best Hour on Television. Where'd you go to school?
Well You don't have to share if you don't want. Milwaukee. You don't want to. You get me wrong.
Okay. But it was the best hour on TV, and it was Around the Horn and then PTI. This is the baseline I want you to understand that I'm starting from. I loved it. I watched it every day.
I would record it on VCR if I missed it. I met Michael Wilbon and told him this story about You know, this is part of what wanted me to make to do all this, right? Did he give you a casino chip or was he friendly? He did not Paul Allen me. as he did to Bart.
This is the starting point. To say I'd watched every day, I got. There's a lot that I kept that chip instead of spending it, though, does it not? Did you frame it? That's in my box over there.
That's just a souvenir. I mean, can you even cash it in at this point? What does it matter? Yeah, what is it? It's not like it pays me back three cents a year.
Do you get to make football decisions? Stupid. Yeah. So you get to vote on a board. Who cares?
Sorry, Paul. That's all right.
So. as I'm covering the Packers, and then they would talk about a Packers topic. They were so. consistently, wildly off. In what they were saying.
And they said it with their chest, sort of, right? Like they were very verbose in like, this is what the deal is. Trust me, I'm a national TV analyst. who has done this for decades. I know.
I, Tony Kornheiser, I'm Michael Wilbon. I know. And I'm telling you this, and you're going to believe this because this is how the information gets shared and how people believe things or don't believe things. And it wasn't even like in the ballpark. from a premise perspective of like accurate.
And then, someone like myself, or aforementioned Pete Doherty, or others on the beat, would have to write how many things or say how many things on a radio show to get that level of reach to override. The wrong that was shared on a station with on a show with that much reach. What that made me realize is that all of the credibility I put in those guys. On every other team and every other sport that I don't know everything about was instantly put into question, right? Because if you're that wildly wrong about the Packers, Chances are, you're that wildly wrong about everything.
And so it just completely shattered my. Worldview of like, oh, yeah, you guys, you might, you're a good television presence, and I like the structure of your show. You don't know anything. And that's not even a, that's not even a knock. You're expected to cover multiple leagues in every team in it.
Of course, you don't know. But also, then, as a viewer, as a listener, as a like. Don't put any stock into it. It's entertainment. Take it for what it is.
Put nothing of value into it. I wish they would treat it. I wish Stephen A would treat it like entertainment and not like. Trust me. Yeah, I don't even know what he treats it like anymore.
Like that, that weird Drake May thing. I love the premise of you experiencing media ego death because of a pardon or a pardon the interruption thing when most people, like, I remember in college, I had a bunch of mushrooms and I went up to Granddad's Bluff, and Paul's like watching his VCR tapes, just going, just a very. Just a very, very different experience. Probably the highlight of my career, honestly, would be I did a one-on-one with Dwight Howard. in which uh the interview was very interesting and we you know we got to talking and and it I wrote it the next day and It was a big story, and it led PTI.
Hell yeah. It led PTI and I was like, all right. I can, I'm good. Like, this was, this is the pinnacle, right?
So. Hell yeah. Did they s say your name? Yeah. I have it I have it recorded.
Wow. And it was premised with Kornheiser saying, like, Wilbon. Did you hear what Dwight Howard? Said. After the game with the Magic and the Bucks the other night, like it was like, you gotta hear this quote.
That was fun. You can probably see them see this. Yeah, privately. I'll share it with you. All right, all right, all right.
You're a trusted source. Um. All right, I'm going to play a quick clip, and then I'm going to have one last topic. Oh, you brought a clip. Brought a clip.
It's a quick clip. From the Bart Winkler Show. And Grant, I want your. Your your analysis of The Host.
Okay. One second. Of course, it's going to be like this. The buttons play, it looks like a triangle. Anyway.
888710-47 Slably Blue Blue Blue. I gotta go to the bathroom. It's a barrel, right? Hello. Uh Was that after my long Shadur thing?
It was right in that range, so probably. Yeah, I just ran on the theme room. Most people do that and then they'll read it again before going to it. I didn't care to, I didn't want to. I've sent the number.
I did like 20 minutes about Shadur. And like how He's just a guy who wants to win. He's hyping himself up, and you're taking the wrong clip.
Some guys like You you don't People don't like Shadur and they don't even know why. You just feel like you're not supposed to. He's a different presentation, right? AJ McCarthy calls himself nine and puts iBlack. In the lower thirds.
And it's like, if Shadur was doing that, then I'd be like, And then people are, oh, Shador did that one interview where he didn't talk.
Okay, how many interviews of people do you even ever see? Here here's here's what I would say. Like, it's a It's a different presentation. The clip that I saw I think Monday it would have been. where he talked about like the school he went to, but then his dad would take him to Other football games growing up, and that's what we had to experience.
That's what put the dog in him. Like, he's a captivating, Shadur is a captivating. Individual, right? Like he's someone you want, I. Want to watch and listen to because, even like when he came in as the backup after Dylan Gabriel had his concussion.
And the crowd, you can, they're like, they're tapping each other on the shoulder, like, he's going in, he's going. And like, they're heating up, right? And then he's just like, he gets out there and he's just like kind of doing stuff. It's a sports writer's Dream, right? Because you're just, it's a story.
You guys don't root for results. You root for stories. And no overtime. But it's a cold beer after. At a reasonable price, of course.
Right.
All right. And good food, maybe a good burger. Oh, and and what are you listening to on the way over? Bros. Gotta be Bruce.
The boss. I should have known I didn't fit in with that crowd as soon as I didn't like Bruce. Um Or Seinfeld. I know that's, I know I'm the outlier in both of these. Every sports writer loves Seinfeld and Springsteen.
What was I saying? I have no idea. Shadua captivating moments. He's captivating characters. Sportswriter's dream.
You played a clip on your national show. of Davis Mills. And like, it's paint fucking dry. Oh my God, he was so bored. But like, like this so the point is like when you're baseline, and I'm not saying Davis Mills is a baseline.
By the way, Davis Mills is better than J.J. McCarthy. Davis Mills sounds like the most baseline name that's ever been written on a birth certificate.
So I think you're not offending anyone by saying that he's baseline, Paul. No, but I'm saying he's he's not the standard. He's more boring than your average NFL quarterback is kind of what I'm saying. But like when you have someone who is Davis Mills, they meant to name him David, right? And they fucked up.
They said Did you hear about? I'm sorry. No, there's not much more to say, but I mean, like, that that's. That's Shadur is a he's different and anytime someone's different. It's going to be.
Polarizing. Did you hear about, do you know, do you know what A.J. Brown stands for? Did you hear me say this? I did not, but I feel like.
I feel like, was this the name that when I played like Take Me Out to the Paul game with you and Horvat? That You see the one that with the really interesting what is it?
Well, his name's Arthur Juan Brown. Oh, I did not know that. Because it was supposed to be Joan on the birth certificate, and they wrote it wrong. They wrote Joe into Arthur? No, his first name's Arthur.
Oh. The second name is Joan. J.A. U A N or whatever?
Okay. And they accidentally just wrote one. Oh, instead of Jawan. Like Jawan Jennings. Yeah, but so his name is not Arthur Jawan Brown, it's Arthur Juan Brown.
Interesting. Stupid ass name. Mm-hmm. I just I thought that was interesting. I think it is interesting.
And what do sports radio hosts dream of an anecdote? You know, like why we can have our things in a way that Paul's sports writer crew has theirs. Yeah, sports radio today is Hey, uh, what would you hate more? Getting spit on or getting kicked into balls? I did hear.
I heard. Did we talk about this? Where did I hear that? I heard a show. No, I saw Michael Irvin tweet that last night.
I was like, oh, fuck. The radio is going to just do this all day. How can we talk about sports? Without actually talking about sports. What are you, sports, thankful for?
That's it. That's what we're supposed to do today. Yeah. I'm sports thankful for you guys.
Okay. By the way, you sent in our group chat, Bart, I think it was already on Sunday something about. You know. Like the st like the very Basic thankful for sports radio topic. And then the next morning.
I like to listen to or watch the YouTube of Bill Simmons and his, I like his wrap-ups. And the first thing or the second thing they did within the first 10 minutes was the Thankful For NFL edition. And I was like, well, if he does a billometer on top eight Thanksgiving foods. Is that really what it is tonight? Oh yeah.
Man, three day work week indeed, huh?
So yeah, you've you've officially uh called yours. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I clocked out. My my professional duties this week, there's a position player pitching on the mound currently is what it feels like. And that hit around 11 o'clock yesterday. God bless Bukowski for being willing to do Bill's show today. That helped me out quite a bit.
Do you have another topic, Paul? You've been so good today. Oh, I do. I have one last one, but do we have time for it? I got about three minutes.
Maybe we'll tee it up. Because I actually think it would be better if you guys listened. And then, if you are listening on audio, stick around for a 90-second voicemail. From Brick and West Alice. That's how I'll end it.
I have no commentary after, but it's a good voicemail he called in, so I'm going to play it. Carls plays voicemail: 402-915-1912. B-A-R-T. By the way, number one at the happy place, Thanksgiving table. I fucked that up.
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Long form. Top of your head. Are there any NFL play-by-play announcers? national broadcast playback that you just cannot fucking stand to listen to. Like you truly like.
Have a reaction like this game this game because I have to listen to this asshole call it. I have seven. I have several. Seven if you make this, if you make this about Darren Johnson, it ruins my experience. Like, because the whole time, I'm just like, This guy sucks.
I didn't like Mark Sanchez. Everything he said was like a put analyst away.
So just play by play. Just play. I mean, you can take whatever direction you want. I'm thinking. Tom Michaels.
He's just done. I mean, he's just present-day Al Michaels. Right, he's just done. He's a legend. Show him some respect.
Paul, who are you out on so aggressively?
So there's going to be someone like Bullshit. No, so there's a thing that's coming good.
Okay. So let me ask you that. Let me ask you this. When Jim Pashke broadcasted, was he using, was he talking the way we're talking, or was he broadcasting? I think this is kind of how Jim Pashke sounded.
Correct. Yeah, Jim's a concertman professional. Fox works, Wisconsin. Distance, NBA Cup. Everything's on the line.
My point is. Is there a guy with a unique voice who are still talking, right? Yeah. They might be like, they might be a bit more. Punchy or bold or whatever the case might be, but they're still talking.
Most NFL play-by-play guys are good at talking. In their normal voice, but a couple of them. Broadcast in some old school traditional Joe Davis. Joe Davis is a fucking dick. And I don't want to ever hear him call a game again.
And I'm sorry, Joe, you might be a really nice guy. We might get along. I doubt it. But like You gotta not call games I watch. And it's so funny you say that because you hear it, right?
You know what I'm talking about, even if it doesn't bother you. Yeah, Joe Davis is calling the game like he's got press in his hat. It's just like, no, who taught him that or who has encouraged him to get to this point in his career? Nobody wants that. It's time for Dodger baseball.
I got a friend in a group message that said they saw him in the concourse and a bunch of guys yelled, fuck the Dodgers at him, which is actually very funny to me. I honestly genuinely feel bad to like. Dislike someone to the degree who I don't know. I like Joe Diddy, but it's grading. I like Joe Davis.
I like Greg Olson. I like them both. Greg Martin Jones is my guy from Greg Olson rules, but it's him and it's Adam Amin. And they both do the same thing. They're both broadcasting in this way where I'm going to try to emulate what I heard.
They carry the S's. Tell me, you guys are, I know you're not broadcasters in like the same sense because you're doing long form, but like, no, I don't know. It's just we could dial it up. I'll dial it up this goddamn minute if you want me to, Paul. But it's a different art form, right?
No, I would say it's a different art form. Another episode of Into the Winkler Verse. Right.
Okay. So you just did the thing, the extended S on the end of the sentence. You know exactly what I'm talking about. It's the Green Bay Packers. Oh.
And the Detroit Lions.
So okay, I got a plot. Why do you know that? On Thanksgiving. Why do you know that? Is it just because you're observant?
Because I'm a fucking smart person. But the but do you You are you like Bart again this is one of those things where If we weren't friends, I mean, this is because you say things that very few people, I think, think. Much less would then say, but you notice them. And so, like, here's the example I'll give: it's a pick six for the defense. These drawn out S's are just I someone needs to tell them to knock it the fuck off.
Someone should tell Kevin Burkhart to actually talk like a broadcaster instead of just sounding like he's just a guy talking into a microphone. Yeah, I could not disagree more. Just talk. You can talk emphatically. But just like, aren't we out of this era?
Like, Rand, I can't believe you're opposed. Maybe, I don't know, I don't know, but like. I need Joe Buck and Troy to have a little less comfortability with their jobs. Oh, I couldn't disagree. Come on.
I could not disagree, Morthy Bart. Just a little less. Just have a conversation while you're watching football and be. good at it. Don't talk.
With This Unnecessary.
Okay, clearly, this is every once in a while, like every month, right? We'll find one topic where I'm like, I can be I can like tow the medium host line where I present the topics. And I'm like, yeah, here's what I think. And then once in a while, I'm just like. And this is ruining my life.
Here's one that's just ruining my day. Yeah, you're a mess. I mean, when was the last time any of us learned anything from Daryl Johnston? I mean, I just know you're doing this to tease me. I do actually.
I feel smarter watching. I enjoy Greg Olson. I don't need him. I don't watch every other game thinking, God, I wish Greg Olson was here to explain this shit to me. That's not how it is, but I do like him.
All right, I'm going to give you the bartometer and then pick up my kid.
Okay. Do it in an announcer voice. These are the top eight Thanksgiving foods that must be on your Thanksgiving table. Number eight. Pumpkin pie.
Don't do it in that voice. It's number seven. Dinner rolls. Dinner rolls are like the utility man. They're like the eight-hairer.
Nobody needs them, but they're going to come up in a big spot and soak up your gravy. Number six.
Now, this one can be any family dish.
Some people like the mac and cheese, some people like the green bean casserole, some people like polenta. You're not going to have usually a combination of them, but you're going to have one, and it's going to be made on that note card with grandma's handwriting. It's the only time you still think of her. She died 20 years ago.
So it's a platoon, you're platooning one of the spots on the plate? Yes. Number five is cranberry sauce.
Now, I'm not somebody who likes cranberry sauce. But if it's Thanksgiving, it has to be on that table. It just goes with the accoutrement. At number four is mashed potatoes. You might think they should be higher, but you could get mashed potatoes at a KF fucking C.
If you could get mashed potatoes at a drive through window at three o'clock on a Tuesday, a random Tuesday, You can put them a little lower on this list. And number three, you gotta have gravy. Everything is better. With gravy. Number two is stuffing, dressing.
You call it whatever you want. I call it yum yum delicious. And at number one, it's got to be turkey. Look, too many people over the years have been substituting turkey. Hey, we don't have a turkey, we have ham.
We don't have a turkey, we have roast beef. Fuck you. This is Thanksgiving. You have a goddamn turkey. Couldn't agree more.
All right, I gotta go. That's pretty good. If you're gonna do a list like that, yeah, it has to be in that voice. Thank you, Paul. Just don't extend the S.
I've been thinking, just leave with this. How are all the eldest children? If we were not all eldest childs, we wouldn't still be doing this podcast. I think part of being the oldest child is never feeling okay, quitting anything. I'll do this until I die, as I do many people.
No, because I need you.
Okay. And I need this, Bart. I need this as much as you. Thank you. This is fun.
I'm thankful for you both.
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So I'm bringing some Seltzers up to Thanksgiving, and I'm going to casually have one pre-turkey. And then they're going to say, Bart, are you tired from the turkey? I'm going to say, sure, that's it. But the Celts are great. That's been my Sunday routine, man.
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Thank you as always. After this voicemail, for stopping into the Winklerverse. Hello, and good morning, boys. Winklerverse is Brick from West Dale, Colin. Uh Chilly Monday morning here.
I just wanted to say I just finished listening to your post game and I agree. Pretty much everything you said. Uh Matt LaFleur is a capital P, you know what? Um I don't Subscribe to the fact where, oh, it's a divisional game, so you take the easy points. And no, it's a divisional game.
You step on their goddamn throat and you put them out of their misery. You don't play with your food.
Alright? These Vikings are nothing but a snack. They're Not a good team that a shitty quarterback you knew he was going to give you two or three or five opportunities. To get a turnover, you step on their fucking throats and you put them out of their misery now. You don't let them hang around because divisional opponents, you let them hang around, shit gets weird, especially in the in the division.
Uh outside of that. I will say it was nice to see That the Packers for a change didn't play down to their opponent. seems like when they play like the Panthers and the Giants and some of these other teams. That are clearly not as good as them from a football standpoint. They play down to them, and then they're in these really close games or even get beat.
So they didn't play down to Minnesota's level. They played above Minnesota's level. Um, my main critique is like just step on their fucking throats and get it over with.
Alright, don't let him hang around 'cause nothing weird should happen. Other than that I'll take the win, good division win, excited for Thursday, I think it could be fun. Um Yeah? Other than that, I hope everyone out there has the day they deserve and fuck Greg Council, baby. See ya.
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