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Paul Imig set to join us.
So, you immigalholics, you just wait, you just wait one little measly second. Uh or two.
So obviously, the big discussion is about Matt LaFleur. And his coaching ability and style. And we could rehash. Oh, by the way, but do you see my vision from last week? I was going to say, you got to be feeling pretty good this week walking around.
I Just got the slander in the nick of time. Although I have been building up shitting on him for his crowd tendencies.
Well, that's its own thing. That would be lame no matter what coach did that. That's just stupid.
So let's run through, if you could with me. Because I think I figured it out, but there is a checklist of things that people are saying. To Retort. My Matt LaFleur. Slander.
Okay. Which I think slander is the wrong word. I think it's. Criticism? Yeah.
But it's it's not based out of like I don't want. Matt LaFleur to be bad. I don't. Who are you looking at?
Well, that's been my thing on Rich Persace. Like, I don't want him to get fired. I want him to not suck. Like, I think we're in the same boat. I want this to work.
I want him to be better.
So I get where you're coming from. I don't want. To watch my favorite teams. And be upset. That's not why I got into this transactional.
Business. I of being a fan. You're a Milwaukee Brewers and Milwaukee Bucks fan. Did you just wake up this year? It's like, wait a minute, I'm upset more often than I'm happy.
Like, of course, that's how it works. But you like don't get into it to be miserable. It's just something that you realize. Oh, that's part of it. Like how you get into wrestling, WWE, because you're captivated by a match and storytelling, and then realize that most of it is a money-gouging shit fest.
Sure.
So that's unfortunate.
So, I don't want Matt LaFleur to be bad. I wish he was great. I wish he was the best coach in the league. You know? And I think what happens is Some people view any criticism of a player or coordinator or coach or owner.
As You being a hater. You not liking your team. Not a true fan. Yeah, you just bitching to bitch. I'm getting a lot of.
Are you ever happy? I got one of those from Sam Decker. I mean, if someone asked me, are you ever? No, that's what I would say. Actually, no.
Are you ever happy? When I tweet about something happy, people are like. But and then also it's Twitter. Yeah. I mean, it's a platform legally, it's called X.
Yeah. is a place where we come. To share our hopes and dreams and fantasies and good things that happened that day. If I was happy, I wouldn't be on Twitter.
Okay. Remember when during the pandemic, John Krasinski came up with this, like, here's some good news. And he was like being an anchor. And everyone's like, oh, this is really good. Finally, there's something for it.
Uh do you watch it? No. And then he sold it. And you've never heard from it again.
So I mean what I The whole ecosystem of the world. Is bred on negativity. And you're gonna come at me because I'm right. About a NFL head coach.
So then. I'm getting the Well, his record would say otherwise. But that may be the point, my friends. Oh, and then I get the skull emoji, skull emoji, laughing emoji. And as I told somebody on Twitter.
I said It's clear to people of your IQ standards, you've won this argument because once you fire the. Uh and I know not to be IQ guy, but I do have a higher IQ. Also, someone said I'm not in their top 10 Wisconsin broadcasters. Motherfucker, if I'm not 10, who's 11? Jesus Christ.
I could name 10.
Somebody in my mailbag segment last week asked me for my Mount Rushmore of Wisconsin broadcasters, and the email just said, Charlie Sykes has got to be on there. And I'm like, I don't know who. Like Bill? I grew up listening to Bill.
Well, we're talking news or sports? Just all, I think. Mm, wow.
Well then euchre. Or are we doing like radio? I yeah, I feel like talk show. I think it was a talk show.
Well, then it's anybody that's on a conservative outlet from twelve to three over the last fifty years 'cause that's what gets the biggest audience. I said Vicki McKenna because I liked her bumper music and it would come on in my car when I'd be leaving high school. How's that? I would still float a Murphy in the morning out from WIXX. I would float out.
But those are the names I mentioned. My local morning shows growing up out of Eau Claire, the Eau Claire radio stations. That's what I'm listening to.
So many people in this business on ESPN radio, they're so obsessed with who's on ESPN radio. I've never cared who's been on ESPN radio. Like who is doing six to nine out of Eau Claire, Wisconsin? That's who I'm listening to. Yeah, I'm glad we're past the era where it's like, oh, what do you do?
Oh, I'm in sports radio. Oh, you must love Mike and Mike. Yeah, right. What? Yeah.
I don't. And I don't like every time I turn on my TV, it's the two Golik boys because the last thing I watched was. FanDuel Sports Bally's Net, Wisconsin. Um As Paul Imig uh joins us, so sip up Immigaholics.
So Yeah. I already cracked. I didn't want to wait for Paul. I was literally waiting to crack. Go sideways, there it is.
Yeah. Alright, oh yeah. Here's a vault drink. It's like a fucking gerbil. Yeah.
Um So now that you No.
So I'm talking about. You've explained to us how people are yelling at you on the internet.
So now your point is: Paul has arrived just in time. I'm getting the like. Oh, his regular season says differently. And, you know, I like the argument. This is the good one.
Well, if you don't want him, then who do you want? Oh, I hate that one. That one sucks. Who do you want? And I don't think we're in the Jason Kidd house is burning thing.
You answered my question. We're not. I was wondering how close we are to the to in your opinion to that. But I can say, like, I don't think this guy is cut out for this job. And then people will say, well, here's the record, regular season.
And yeah, Matt LaFleur can win regular season games. Against tepid competition. Especially when he had four years of, you know. Roger's dicking around. I just don't think that he can win the big game.
And so, all these people that are, oh, it's week four, that's another one. Yeah, of the seventh year. It's also week seven sixty-six. Since this team has won a Super Bowl, I saw your tweet. I liked that you had counted the weeks.
Those were just typed it into Google real quick. I mostly disagree with you on a lot of this stuff, but it's week four. Yeah, he's longer tenured now than everyone except like Harbaugh, Reed, Shanahan, McVay, and Tomlin. Like, he's an old man as far as NFL head coaches go. You're saying, like, it's week four.
As if this is a kid learning to ride a bicycle without training wheels. It's week four of his seventh year as a head coach in a lifetime where this has been his profession, and this is what he has worked. I think that's the right response for Ben Johnson. Insert other first-year head coach. Sure.
Like they're learning his offense. They're getting to know. Yeah, he's been there. grand total of four months, right? Grand, I've been kind of waiting.
Maybe I missed some of it, but I've been waiting for your... Rebuttal. Or or perhaps you're Because last week you were pretty staunchly opposed. I think Bart. I think you said this in the text part, but I would echo it and say like.
You might have been a week early. But I thought you were right at the time. I think you're even more right now. There's been like there's been like signs of it. But Grant's been On the other side.
I'm just wondering if you've come, if you've snuck a few yards further. Yeah. The side of, like, I'm not sure if LaFleur is the guy.
Well, I just couldn't believe it's a press conference, so take it for whatever it's worth to you. But I just couldn't believe some of the things that he said in that presser on. Uh Tuesday. Yesterday. You know what I said?
So his quote was: What did you say to Jordan Love? Yeah, like, why weren't you up at his ass? Like, because he doesn't even remember what he said, correct, as if he was watching a car crash, and that is like. This is what I talked about on the Bart Winkler show. I said.
This is like his answer that he just gave Is the same as asking a fan. What were you thinking? You were thinking, like, oh, I mean, it was like a car crash. I don't know what I was witnessing. I thought we were going to run out of time.
Yeah. You and and but the thing is I'm sitting on my couch, or actually, I had said I assumed the position, which is three feet in front of the TV, standing up.
So I had assumed the position. I can't do anything about it. LaFleur's got the same mentality that I do. Like, oh my God, what's happening? Do something about it or have your team prepared.
So, to wrap up what I was saying, all of this LaFleur. Like rebuttal. I think it comes from a place where people don't want to criticize the team or the coach because they don't want either it to be true or they're willing to. See it play out. And if you want to see it play out, look, I'd love to see it play out.
I just at this point. Seven years in, we've seen enough where it's like, this is not a thing he can do. You cannot do this. Why don't coaches practice? Why don't coaches do the Madden thing?
And it's not even Madden if Madden's the trigger word. You do these two-minute drills, you make your team go through it. You should be practicing in that situation. You just realized that you needed to hire someone yesterday. How can you find amazing candidates fast?
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So good.
Someone said it's like putting a pilot up there without a flight simulator. And that's what these coaches do. And this overtime is a new wrinkle. And I mentioned Eric Eager. Like, the Carolina Panthers are trying to find every edge that they hire this guy from Sumer Sports to come and be in the analytical department.
And so, teams do have the wherewithal to, like, Get better at this, but then a new thing comes out. Overtime is different. It's not like college. It's 10 minutes. The clock does come into play.
And these coaches are just like, oh, we'll figure it out on the fly. Does not one of them want to game it out a little bit? And that's what just, and that's not a Matt LaFleur problem. That's an NFL head coach's problem, who I once again last night called the dubbest subsection of human beings on the planet. If you are.
Such a great offensive or defensive coordinator. that you Assume The opportunity to be an NFL head coach or a college head coach because you were such a good coordinator on offense or defense. That As we've seen so many times, does not equal you to be ready to be a head coach. Not in year one, not in year seven. You were an elite offensive mind, you were an elite defensive mind.
That Prepared you for a certain part of your job responsibilities as a head coach. It did not prepare you for all of the aspects of it. And what I think is so interesting about the pilot analogy is imagine, like, to the, as you've kind of commented on to certain ways, The NFL head coach would say, 10,000 hours of simulation? What the fuck? I'm an NFL head coach, eat a dick.
Imagine then the roles are reversed where it's like. I'm a tr I'm a pilot. Like, you're going to tell me to simulate being a pilot. I am a pilot. It's preposterous when you really put those two in the same bucket, which they should be in.
Your preparation in school to be a pilot, your preparation as being an offensive coordinator, becoming a head coach, are actually pretty two bizarrely perfect parallels that one accepts, of course, this is part of what I have to do to become a pilot. This is never anything you. dumb nerd in the basement who would make me do Madden simulations. Like Not yet. You were a great offensive coordinator.
You haven't had to do. a big part of the head coaching job. Plus there's a thing that is new. Yeah, there's things that are new. And maybe you've hired your own Eric Eager, right?
We don't know. Like, we know who Eric Eager is, so we know who the Panthers hired, right? But presumably the Packers have. That. I don't know who.
Let's assume that they do. It doesn't mean that then you can Transplant that person's brain into LaFloors as the clock is ticking and he's watching a car crash. quote unquote, that he is the actual driver of said vehicle. I don't, I mean, I truly don't get it. And like, I, until week, like Bart, last week, I was sort of on your side, I was on your side about LaFleur, but like, I was still like, tepidly.
That press conference is the most damning use of the word tepid today. For you, you said it also? I said it before you got in. Oh, interesting. Tepid Lee, I think I used, but yeah, did you see me roll my eyes when you said tepid?
Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did. Sorry about that. I'm looking at you the whole, the whole fucking time we do this, I'm looking at those beady little eyes. But anyway, I just I I I would also just say, and then I'll let Grant talk because I've talked too much.
I understand if someone wants to like see how it plays out and all the other things that A fan says. I I said this to you guys in the text. I still think the Packers can win a Super Bowl this year. Packers can still win a Super Bowl this year. Because their roster is top five.
The Packers have a top five roster, therefore they can win the Super Bowl. Yeah, they can win a Super Bowl because of a head coach. You can win a Super Bowl with a head coach, and you can win a Super Bowl in spite of a head coach's weaknesses. And mm-hmm, I want to ask a part specifically, but I'll Tee it up for now is like Are you going to enjoy the Packers Super Bowl win this year less because you want to be right about LaFleur? And I'm pretty sure the answer, unfortunately, is going to be mm-hmm.
And I think that's what some people are protecting themselves against. That if they go so full anti-love or so full anti-lefleur that it makes them enjoy. the potential masterfully success once in a lifetime, twice in a lifetime type thing. I get like the Brain's trickery of like, just be careful, because I want to enjoy this.
So I can appreciate the psychology of it.
Well, but that's kind of where I think people are stuck because you can't watch. I mean, again, we all. Our minds are all different. We all think of things differently. But I don't understand how someone can watch.
Or hear the press conference and be like, I want that guy running my favorite company, my favorite business, my favorite thing, I don't care what it is. I don't want that person running my thing. Don't you think that in a way though? Stay with me here. In a way.
If Like If the Packers Win the Super Bowl. The Packers. And Matt LaFleur. Make some great decisions that we all love. Keep in mind, we're talking about the end of the game.
He also didn't go on fourth and too early when a lot of his players wanted to. And then got weirdly aggressive to overcompensate for not calling. Which he said he didn't want to do. Then, motherfucker, don't do it. Yeah, but he was overcompensating for a mistake he made earlier.
We called that the Dan Campbell. No. If LaFleur By the way, I I guess I'm confused there. I thought we all loved Dan Campbell, but never mind. I'm pro Dan Campbell.
I wish Matt LaFleur is more like Dan Campbell, but all of that.
Well, I mean, I'd rather have Dan Campbell than Matt LaFleur.
Okay, finish your point. You're asking me. Where are you going? If Matt LaFleur does do something. Like, and it and the people are gonna be like, see, if you would have just had the faith.
How do you know? that the pressure from the fan base didn't build up. Like How do you know that I didn't save the season when I tweeted a picture of the Beat Writers having a drink with LaFleur and then making them open their eyes to say, hey, we gotta be a little more critical. And now they're maybe overcompensating, which is gonna make LaFleur. How do we know that I, if the Packers didn't win, Didn't save the season.
How do you know as a WWE fan that you screaming, We Want Truth or whatever it was, of course, it influenced, right? Or that, not in the case of Karrion Cross, unfortunately, but it's like. You sometimes do have a voice. You don't think the fans that are getting antsy that leads into questions to the and you know, they're they're not they're not and and you know, I don't expect just so it's clear the the beat reporters to ever act like fans and like yell and scream and demand accountant. That's not how it works and it's not how it should work.
I can tell you from yeah, yeah, that's not they don't cheer for results, they cheer for the story.
Well, I mean, they're not like if fans have frustrations, they're not in that. Like, I think some fans want like like a Pete Doherty to be like, what the fuck were you doing, shithead? But what you do is you take the Culmination of what fans are saying, and you say, Look, Matt, there are fans that would like an answer to this. I hate that shit. That shit drives me nuts.
Rosiak pulled that last summer. Like, look, a lot of the fans are wondering why Andrew Monasterio is playing. No, if you're asking, ask why Andrew Monasterio is playing. Don't use us.
Okay, I disagree, kind of. I'm kind of pro beat on that one, but as somebody who used to be on the Brewers' beat tangentially. I would say I would I would be more with Bart on that too, in the sense that like. It is a, well, let me say this, it's a bit of a cop-out, obviously, because. If he gives you a good answer.
If Pat Murphy gives you a good answer about Montessario. You're going to write about it, and you're not going to probably put in your story. Yeah. Because the fans kept asking me. And Murphy told Todd, he's like, Don't throw our fans.
Don't, I don't like he like he snapped at him a little bit. Don't throw our fans. And that's also fair because it's like, wait, are you curious, Todd, or not? Like, is this a good question worth asking, or is it not? And if it is, I think it's okay to include the preface as long as the reporter is also like.
But to be fair, In the LaFleur situation, what we're complaining about with LaFleur, and let's just blanket say he chokes in big games or high-pressure situations or things he hasn't seen before.
So you could choose to be a fan and say, Guys, it's early. I'm nothing's. I'm just going to sit back and watch and be fine. And then. Maybe We'll see what happens.
But if there's also the. Fan base that's like me, that's like, no, this is a problem. This is something they're not going to win if this continues. I'm not like I did say earlier that I saved the season, but if enough people Like, are doing this, that does get back to the team and to the coach, and perhaps. He can open his eyes.
He can spend more time on it. He can think, like, to think that. But then the fans are gonna be like, see, see, if you would have just been quiet, it would have happened anyway. But we're never going to know the answer to that. Although the simplest answer is usually the correct one.
So, yes, change behavior from pressure is more likely than changed behavior from everybody just sitting there being like, I'm just, I don't know. It's week four. It's week eight. It's week 12. It's the NFC Championship.
It's over, it's only year three of love. It's only year eight of the floor. It's only year 100 of this. Goddamn franchise. Yeah.
My wife's upstairs in a meeting. You're being very considerate. That's why I don't broadcast from home.
Okay. Bart, the Packers won the Super Bowl. You will enjoy it a little bit less as a result of all this. Or mm-mm. No, because then I don't agree.
You will absolutely enjoy it less because of that. No, no, no, no. Do you not hear me just take credit for already saving this? Oh, sorry. You know what?
Retract it. Yeah, you're right. You are going to then say you're welcome. I want to say, I deserve a ring. If they win the Super Bowl, it will be because corrections or improvements were made.
And you're allowed to look back and say, early in the season, they weren't ready or they didn't have it figured out. And now they are. Like that's part of following a team on a week-by-week basis. And Bart, I think your issue. One of your issues, one of many, but the one we're discussing now is that you are interacting with people who don't follow as closely and react as strongly to every little moment as you.
Like, there are plenty of fans who watch every Sunday, and if the team loses, they go, Oh shucks, we'll try again next week. Whereas people like us, like, I got to feel Two hours tonight, and I can't just. Start the show by saying, Well, it didn't work yesterday, but it's a long season. We'll see if Matt Lee figures it out.
So, two things: one, I don't have to fill time. And two. And two, I'm a robot. right i don't typically come at these things from emotional lens And I'm fucking out on this shit.
So I feel like I have some like semblance into like I can split the middle here a little bit and say. I watched, as I said earlier, and this to receive, like I watched a guy who I'm like, oh. Like, if he was now gonna, like, like, Bart, one of your counters to your thing was like, he would get snatched up by another team tomorrow. I don't think that's true. And I certainly don't think I don't think McVay's touching him.
I don't think Shanahan's touching him. I don't think any of his buddies want to touch him. I know you've gone down your friend list, but what I'm telling you is, like, if I was the owner of another team, And the floor became available. And I wanted like my execs to put together. the profiles of the hot new coach that I should hire or the retread coaches that I should hire.
And they bring me that clip. I'm just telling you, this is my personal preference. If I'm the owner in that situation and I'm giving that clip as I'm analyzing candidates. He's out. Maybe that's unfair.
If Belichick gets fired, he'll be hired tomorrow. And then he didn't. Vrabel McCraw. Hired tomorrow. Pete Carroll, hired tomorrow.
No, they might get hired again. They might get hired again, but people are not dropping everything to go pick up Matt LaFleur at the fucking airport.
So, yeah, I mean, you, Bart, you, Grant, you, whoever's listening, can say, like, actually, I didn't mind that he said that. All I can say is my opinion: I heard that. I heard that and I said, I don't want this person running my thing. That person can still win the Super Bowl because he's been given a great roster. And if he does, he'll get a massive extension and it'll all be fine because they won the Super Bowl.
But, like, for me, it was just a Very, and we just talked about press conferences the other week, the three of us did, and like, what do they really mean, and what do you really get out of them?
Sometimes you get this, you get like an in-depth look into the psyche of a head coach. And even with 24 hours to digest it, he looked into the media auditorium and said, I don't know what I said. It was like watching a car crash. Oh my god.
Well, and a lot of the Packers beat guys, like I saw both Wildie and Domofsky in some different voice, and they both do good work. I'm not criticizing, but the name of the story was like a very fan-feeded families. A very thoughtful explanation, a very honest and thoughtful explanation. And it was. It was honest and thoughtful.
I found it to be neither of those.
Well, it was honest. I did not find it to be thoughtful. There wasn't a thought in his goddamn head. He was like, I. I looked up and There's no, oh my god, there's no time left.
What that's not thoughtful. Maybe we should just use the word honest. It was honest, it was revealing. I don't think he wanted to be revealing in the way that. It was revealing to me.
Grant, this one's for you specifically. Matt LaFleur is the worst. Is the worst of the four NFC North coaches? Like straight up, not like a coin flip, not like a maybe, maybe this. Matt LaFour is.
Without question, to you, Grant Bills, the worst of the four NFC North head coaches.
Well, don't ask it like that. Ask it like this: Grant. Packers just traded the fleur for Ben Johnson. Grant, Packers just traded LeFleur for Dan Campbell. Hey, we just traded LeFleur for KOC.
I think KOC and Matt LaFleur are like kind of the same person. Oh my God. And I know you're going to say, what is KLC ever one? Fuck that. No, I'm not even going to ask you because I know your answer.
You still beat off at Eric Spolster, who hasn't won anything in forever. Eric Spolster and Kevin O'Connell are the same. Yards above all. If you do a 42 and 38 season the right way. You're so right.
You win with Carson Wentz. What it's about is it's about wins above expected. Oh, I want, and I'm not saying this is, but I want the coach who maximizes wins above expected. Spolstra. Ping of wins above expected.
No shit. Kevin O'Connor. King of wins above expected. No, Grant, answer the question. Would you trade LaFleur for all three of them right now?
No. Maybe Dan Campbell. Maybe Ben Johnson. He's getting a bar. I wouldn't trade him for Kevin O'Connell.
Wow. I mean, Kevin O'Connell, like, I mean, you, you're, well, you know, you're totally your opinion's whatever. It's your opinion. But, like, I think he's like a consensus top three head coach. If you were to like pull like Kevin O'Connell, that is, it's like consensus top three NFL head coach.
Would you do this? Would you do this? That doesn't mean they're right and you're wrong. I would say those people are wrong. If the criticism on the floor is he can't win the big one, then I guess just give me, you have my phone number, Paul.
When Kevin O'Connell wins a playoff game, just literally, just dial me up. Give me a call. He's 0-2, and one of them was a home loss to Daniel Jones. Would you do this? Sight unseen for the rest of the season?
Have LaFleur and Basaccia swap jobs. Oh, they'd be the worst. I think Bersace is the worst coach on that staff. And by the way, that it's funny, it admits Bart being like... write about LeFleur a week later for sure.
Grant gets another victory lap week with Visachia. Why is it? I did this on Packaday, and Andy and Parabol are like, oh, we're going to get to hear Grant on Visachia. Why is everyone not talking? I don't, it's not a bit.
You're just watching the games. Jesus Christ. I'm saying you deserve the credit for being early on it.
However, however, I think that the LaFleur. Young Grant over here, the Lafleur take was too strong, but he went to a safer Versaceo one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Do you hear that or not?
Yeah. No. Hey, I gotta. I hate that this is like an abridged version. Two more things, and I have to go.
And then I'm gonna require that you two keep going as I do. I've got one thing for Grant.
So you better give us a little bit of a break. I think the best response. I don't know if you got this response here with Fleur Hate online. Maybe it was said, but I think the best one would have been. When I asked what you heard, we're sacrificing live goats upstairs.
I did. I thought it was just a vacuum, but no. I just wanted to fill in that plot hole. Go ahead. It's not coming through.
That they are the youngest team in the league. That is, I think, the most, in my opinion, the most fair rebuttal of like. Hey, Yes, even if someone were to say they're a top five roster on a paper, which I think, and if someone agreed with that, they could still say, Yes, but they're also the youngest team in the league.
So that comes with it, its own set of unique challenges. And then here's what I you can either talk about this. Or we can punt it till next week. Though it's best for this week. What I wanted to ask is: when your team is on a bye week, which it happens to be this week.
And you only get to pick one window of games. You get the full noon slate, the full three, whatever slate. You just get the Sunday night game, or you just get the Monday night game. What would you pick? I will Give you my answer because I thought to watch.
Yeah, so like you only get, but you get all the new games. You get all the three o'clock, whatever games. You just get Sunday night, you just get Monday night. And you can answer that in terms of like not knowing who the matchups are, or you can answer it specifically to this weekend when the Packers don't play. For me, I decided this past Sunday: it is open and shut.
I want the eight noon games. End of question. I don't even care who they are. Dave, did you have Red Zone or Sunday NFL ticket? Red Zone.
Stupid question. I just think it's a, I mean. The fast-paced nature, it just feeds my brain in all the right ways. It's how I would want to consume it. I know Bukowski would hear that and be very pissed, but because he was not really enjoying football then, as I understand the take to be.
Well, I'd love to follow up on that, but.
So, yeah, I'll pause. You guys keep going. Uh and I'll talk to you both soon. Nice to see you, Paul. You as well.
Sorry, this is going to be longer. That's what I tell her every time. Goodbye. Yeah. Is it in?
I think so.
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Let's deliver. Yeah, I bet. There was a ton of that going out at 8.
Okay, so like the red zone, like. When Bukowski is all like red zones, the not preferred way to watch football. Uh I would agree. Like, I would prefer to watch every game in the ball. But that's because I also don't have it.
So But I would agree, I would rather watch, like I would rather watch a game. Then watch. But my thought on that was you don't have a choice. And It's already too much, like, of course, when the Packers play, but even when they don't play. Watching the red zone.
I'm surprised Paul's brain's okay with that. It is way too overstimulating. There are eight games going on at the same time. Plus whatever nonsense you got going on with your teams. and shit.
But there's like a lot of things going on at the same time. And it's it's If it's like two or three, even Monday night when there's two games at the same time, like that sucks. Yeah, especially when both games absolutely blow. And people want baseball. Like, why are they playing at 2 o'clock in the afternoon?
So that you can watch them all. Yeah. Sorry people have to scramble to get out of work. One or two different cities, you know?
So that's going to be a part of it. I'd rather the games be available to everybody. Nobody works anymore. I mean, they do, but nobody works. Like, no, you're not stuck to your desk for a.
Did you see the tweet I tweeted out?
Someone was talking about How they like to send emails at like 2 a.m. Oh, yeah. And they go, if you send an email at 2 a.m., People, you could work 20 hours a week and do that, but people are going to be like, oh, he's working 80 hours a week. Of course. He's fucking so busy.
So goddamn busy. Um yeah, my preference is the Packers to play at 330. Because then I can watch all the noon games, and there's not that like it's an opportunity cost. That's the conversation, right? Like, but I think he wants to know what.
Times, if you can only watch one time this weekend, I know. Look, if the Packers aren't playing. Then I'm probably going to make plans to do something on that Sunday that I wouldn't do if the Packers were playing.
So, like, I might answer Sunday night to his specific question. Yeah, give me Sunday night, and then I'm going to fill the rest of my day maybe with doing other things. Because I can, because the Packers aren't on. But if the Packers are playing, 3:30 is the best because you can watch all the noon games and then you can decompress with Sunday night football. Like, that's.
That's the best window if your team is playing. If they're not Sunday this last Sunday. Um There was like A get-together with my kid and some of his buddies and the parents, and they wanted to go to the beer garden. And it's it or the parents?
Well, there's a park there, but. You know, it's a thing that kids and parents can both do, and they just want to be together, play. Nice. It was a nice day for it. And I didn't want to go.
I was not in a mood to be social. I was feeling fat. Really, I just did not want to go. And I didn't even have to put up a stink because football was on. And when my wife showed up Someone's like, oh, Bart's not here.
And she's like, all easy's watching football. And then uh One of the guys, like, yeah, you know, but that is his job. Like, he does have to watch it for his job. And she's like, she's like, I know. I've known.
I always know. You're not breaking any news to me, and it's fine. I don't care. It's fine. It's like, but I it is my job.
Uh Yeah, I'll tell you, there were some Sundays last year.
Okay, if I can. There were some Sundays last year where I was just like. Fuck man, it's Sunday. I was just boozing all day, okay? And then I like had to watch prime time the next day because I forgot the shit that happened during the day.
I thought Well, that's probably because of the booze. is not well that is because of the booze i was i was there was one day i was just Forget it. Yeah. I uh I it's it's weird. I don't know.
I would watch sports, like, or I'd have a laptop on, like, when we're doing something else. And it's like, well, it's, you know, it's their job. I'm like, yeah, but. I don't know. I always feel like I'm.
Getting away with something with yeah, I could have not. Watch the games, follow them, come back, and have done my job just fine. And then I end up doing my job Monday and Tuesday and barely talking about any of the games that I was watching that window. I've barely talked about Chiefs Ravens yet. That's the legit thing, though.
Like, if you watch the games, the job is easy. If you watch the games live and are engaging with the Teary Live, the job is easy. What's hard is when you miss it, and then you need to play catch-up.
So, you need to go back, and now you're like, you're going back, and you're hearing what other people are saying.
So, you're basically just stealing what they're saying, and then you're not getting. You you don't come up with a good take, so it's not rewarding, so it does feel more like work. It's you know, it's feedback loop one way or another, but It's his job.
Okay. Because this weekend there's no game, and I just like I want to watch football from 8:30 in the morning to 10:30 at night. I have a wedding on Saturday, so I'll be hungover all day. Sunday, probably. What about the Brewers?
They might play at night. Yeah, they probably will. I'll catch up on it later. Uh speaking of the brewers, if I may. And I already shared this.
for public consumption. The brewers. This was seven years ago today, folks. You can see David Stearns, Bob Eucher, Rip. Mark Antonasio.
Uh who if you look he's on like a scooter. Remember that? Did he what did he have like a broken foot or something? I don't know. Do you like Craig's got the new logo?
He's still rocking. Mark's still rocking the old gear, and so is Bob. Yeah. Stearns is just as an in an under armor and a fucking Cole's 999 T, that fucking nerd. What an asshole.
I've been on the attack with David Stearns this week because his Mets have missed the playoffs.
Well you should. Nobody ever said anything. We're such losers. No one ever said anything. David Stearns has the shittiest two years a GM can have.
He makes a bad deal, and McAlvey and Roziak, the Brewers beat, who are. The friendliest, you're like, David, you wanna like help us understand? And then he goes into hiding for a year. And then when he leaves, we're all like, Thank you for the time, David. Go chase your dream.
And now he sucks shit with the Mets, too. Like, no, screw that guy. I mean, respect, like an appropriate amount of screwing. Like, not like not the worst. He's not counsel.
But, like, I don't know. He should have worn it a little bit more on his way out the door, and he didn't. Uh if it is Brewers Cubs. Fuck it, I'd rather just not watch. That's not gonna be any fun.
Well, and the games are likely to be at night.
Well, and revisit your take from 2018 or 2019. Like, I want to watch my team in a In a baseball Five-game series. I don't want to do The We own you, we pay the bills. Oh, your tickets cost this much, and our costs are green bay sucks yesterday at Wrigley. Come on, I have no time for any of that shit.
Um, so you do that on your own time. I just want to watch baseball games, and if it's the Cubs. That's going to be harder. Also, the Cubs, I think, are not the ideal matchup for the Brewers. They can feel ground balls.
Like, they can actually, you know, throw and catch and field, which the Brewers, you know, they kind of need an opponent who struggles with that sometimes. Um I I don't like if the game Saturday is at night. It sounds like Monday's gonna be super late too. Like I'll say it as hashtag boy dad not a real dad not a girl dad This kid's watching baseball summer, and now the games are going to be 8:30 at night. Come on.
Yep. To appease who? Sucks. Kids, kids. Kids, you watch regular season, he loves all of it.
And then the playoffs are going to be at fucking bedtime. If your fans aren't crying, your sport is dying. It's the same with church. If the congregation ain't crying, your church is dying.
So, yeah, let's start it at 8:30. And have it take fucking forever. That's good. Good for way to stay relevant in baseball. Grant, thank you for your time.
No, thank you for yours. This is always fun. You know, I like doing this. Yeah, yeah, it's great. You missed a good Oktoberfest, by the way.
I thought of you in spirit when I was there. I gotta get back. Correct. You do. I don't know where to go though.
All of my college friends are being like pussies. I've given him three different drunk. We have to go back. Lost 10. text in the last 15 months.
to nothing.
Sorry, brother. All right.
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