Good morning, everybody. Welcome into the Winklerverse. Today is a very special edition of Into the Winklerverse.
It's our annual win loss of the Packers schedule, dating back to whenever we were on the air together. Ryan Horvat is here. Hey. Hey, that was like five. You know, that's what's crazy. That was like four or five years ago now. It's like it's like I went to college.
And that's that's a long time when you think about it for years. But somehow, here we are still doing the win loss on the schedule. And I'm excited for the season. I think the Packers are going to be really good. Problem is, I think the Bears are going to be really good. Sparky gets mad when I say this, and he hates because like I said this one time with Justin Fields that I thought that they would be better.
And technically they were they won seven games. But Justin Fields stinks. I think Caleb's pretty good.
I love the Ben Johnson higher. I'm out on Detroit, dude. We could talk about that. I'm out on Detroit. I think they've peaked.
Same that schedule sucks. They lose Aaron Glenn, who we'll see if he's any good, but still you lose your defensive coordinator. You lose Ben Johnson, who's definitely the brains behind the operation, right? Like McVeigh was able to make golf look good and take him to a Super Bowl, but he could only go so far. And I feel like same like you just said, man, they peaked because they won what 15 games, they had home field advantage, and they couldn't beat a rookie quarterback. And I don't think that the defense got any better.
I think that they actually got worse. Aidan Hutchinson. I saw this workout video. He's got this big brace on his leg. Is he the same player coming back from a broken? Who had the league and pressures, dude? But other than that, when he got hurt, they had no pass rush whatsoever. And they're relying on like Marcus Davenport to stay healthy. I don't think he's played 10 games in like three or four consecutive seasons. And again, they lose their coordinator. Oh, don't QBR me.
That's a fake number. He got benched for John Wolford, dude, in a playoff game and not by an idiot head coach like Matt Negi by Sean Frick and McVeigh. And then they won a Super Bowl without him, right? Like year one.
So I'm just saying I don't I don't think golf sucks. I'm not saying that, but I think he's going to take a step back three straight years. He's thrown for over 4000 yards. And I think Caleb Williams is a better quarterback. So I think bear stock rises, lions, especially with that schedule.
Stock drops, Minnesota. I have too much respect for Kevin O'Connell, to say that they're going to completely fall off a cliff. But if we can't, if the Packers don't have more wins than Minnesota this year, that's a huge problem. I'd say the same thing if you're a Bears fan got to be better.
You know, JJ McCarthy is pretty much a rookie. So the division is going to be fun, but it's a big year for Green Bay and for Jordan love because, you know, now I think for the floor, this is the floor has got to get his shit together. Is it don't like, I mean, all he's done is win since he got the green Bay.
You know what I mean? Like, I don't think he should be on the hot seat or anything like that. Not hot seat, but yeah, it's a big year. He's on the like, Come on, dude. See, I think he's on the seat that Shani was on last year, where people like some people thought that he should be on the hot seat. But like smart football people are like, it's Kyle frickin Shanahan, dude, right? Like, who?
Because that's my thing. If football's different, though. It's like, you know, in basketball, it's like, Oh, man, if we fire bud, who are we going to get, you know, Darwin Ham and Doc Rivers, you know, but if you fire the floor, you could get the next Ben Johnson, you know what I mean?
So that's why football is a little bit different. None of these guys, nobody's job is safe. But I, it is a big year for the floor, I would say it's a big year for Jordan love not again that that he's going anywhere, but, you know, they go out, they draft a rookie. I didn't want them to go with the wide receiver because I was like, man, I always want a receiver in the first round T Higgins, they never get my guy. Then this year, I hate this class, and they'll probably take one, but I'm actually cool with Matthew golden because I didn't think that there was any chance they'd have a shot at them. Because I thought Dallas would go receiver, but I like what they did better anyway, trading for pickings, but often should be better.
George love has to stay healthy. The defense should be better. I mean, right, like big year for all those guys.
Quay, they didn't pick up his option. So I think they're gonna be good, though, schedule. I don't know, I kind of like it in Detroit right off the bat. And then I think Washington takes a step back to Washington won 12 games last year, dude, 11 of them were against non playoff teams. Now, the league's really hoping that they're going to be good.
What do they have seven or eight primetime games. So I think they take a step back. And then I think San Francisco, not that they're in our division. I think they're going to be really good again.
Everybody loves the 1514 you know, 10 win teams. They don't play the AFC South again. They don't play the whatever division we played last year. Did we play the NFC West?
I don't remember. We played the South last year because remember we played I would be the Saints 34. My kid, my kid, my kid won't keep tight.
Sometimes my kid will be like, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy. Remember when the Packers beat the Saints 34 to zero? Dude, the same. Yeah, that was one of the worst football games I've ever seen in my life. The game where Spencer Rattler started the primetime standalone game. And all America watch that Monday Night Football Christmas week.
That was that was terrible. But yeah, I can't wait for football to get here. There's only so much I could talk about with the NBA playoffs and Stanley Cup playoffs. So I need my college football, which man, I'm excited for Texas, Ohio State week one. I already knew no everyone's pissed. It's at noon.
I don't give a shit. I bet either noon games rule. Give me Texas plus three and a half.
On the road though, dude. I love Sark even though he's already first and goal on the one pitch play in the college football playoff. Yeah, I'll buy the arch Manning height, but I don't think arch comes out this year. Unless he throws like 60 touchdown passes wins a Heisman and they win a national title. I do believe that he goes back another year to Texas. So everybody keeps talking about this quarterback class. It's going to be like Cade Klubnick or Drew Aller or Lenora Sellers or maybe Carson Beck probably, but I don't think it's going to be arch.
Meyer. Yeah, him too. I like him because he's these 24 year old 25 year old dudes, right?
Like nobody thought bonics was going to be any good. He was these older quarterbacks, even Joe Burrow. Like that's kind of the way to go rather than the younger guys. I feel the younger guys need more time to develop. Even Jayden Daniels was at Arizona, you know, panics.
Those guys were all like transfers so I could see it's a big year for LSU. I bet their win total. It's eight and a half if Brian Kelly doesn't win nine games. Dude, they may murder him. Screw they can't fire him because that buyout is still too large.
Although I said the same thing about Jimbo and they were like alright, just get out of here. But Brian Kelly, they have to go nine and three this year. They have to. Well, let's see what the Packers do.
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Even if you've ordered before, do it again. We start with Detroit. I got fun facts too, courtesy of Packers PR. It's the first season opener against the Lions since 2005. It'll be the 13th time that the two franchises have played in week one. Green Bay winning three of the last four. So Detroit comes into town.
The line on this is already, I believe a pick them. Yeah. I mean, you don't start a win loss episode with a loss. No, it's in Green Bay. It's at home. They're pumped up. I'm 5% chance going to be there.
So let's go. I got the Packers with a dub week one against the team that Dan Campbell feels I don't. He's like, I think of myself when I worked at a grocery store and I was like the best card attendant there ever was.
But when they'd have me like do other things, I was like, I couldn't do anything. I feel like Dan Campbell's like peeking in the regular season. I don't ever see playoff success for him. I really don't. I don't trust him. I don't believe in him. I don't buy it.
I buy it in the regular season. I don't buy it in the playoffs. They lost. Like you said, I mean, that was, that was how they got, they didn't just lose. They got destroyed. Yeah.
And that sticks with me, man. So I think they're going to lose again. And it will be an old one start for Detroit, which means a one and oh start for our green and gold.
Yeah. Now we get to figure out, or we get to find out, I should say how good Dan Campbell actually is like a couple of years ago, I called him a glorified gym teacher. And now, you know, we'll see if the brains have left the building. I like green Bay in the game. I'm going to bet green Bay pretty big in this game. Finally, when was the last home opener, 2018, something like that.
It's been forever. So, uh, they open with the lions. Like I said, I think the lions might start slow, right? You got two new coordinators, uh, green Bay gets this game at home.
I think Jordan loves going to torch them in this game. I think here's an early prediction. I think the Packers win this game.
I'll take the over to 35 21. And I think Jordan love throws for 356 yards, touchdowns, one pick two of those touchdowns to Jayden Reed, one in the back of the end zone to Tucker craft Packers roll one nothing start week two is against the Washington commanders. It's only the second time that the Packers are going to play in Thursday night in week two last time was against the bears in 2012. It is the first prime time game against Washington at home since a Monday night football game in September of 2001, September 24th, 2001.
The Packers, the Packers, the Packers are three, one in one all time against Washington in September. Look at that. Yeah.
Is it one of the losses, bro? Um, I mean, you start at home. Okay. Yeah. You have a short week.
Get to stay at home. Yeah. It's a night game. You convinced me of a loss.
I got another dub to know. Yeah, I think that Washington's going to take a step back this year a little bit too, dude. I actually think that the Cowboys are going to be all right this year and Schottenheimer might be a good coach. Everybody's acting like they're replacing like, you know, Marty Schottenheimer or, you know, I mean, they're replacing because I don't think Jerry Jones knew Brian Schottenheimer was on his staff. No, I don't think so. And then he's like, Well, then I realized we have this young man right here. Right.
Kind of through osmosis. You know, I like McCarthy, but now this guy's cheaper and I can control him a little bit more. Exactly.
Exactly. Now, I think this is a win, dude. I was mad. I was hoping that this game was going to be here so I could go to it week two, especially on a Thursday night, I would have taken off work for this one. I got Green Bay winning this one. 28 21. Jordan love touchdowns two picks two touchdowns to Matthew golden his first two he has a two for Packers role here and they are now to know on the season.
Fun fact, I have been one to one game here in DC or land over I should say the stadiums in the middle of nowhere. They're trying to prefer now trying to eat for now. Exactly. That's a whole topic for a whole nother day on a whole show that I don't give up.
That's something for Toby to talk about. Not me. I don't need any more goddamn traffic here in DC, though. I'll say that I could watch the Godfather two on every drive to work. It's three hours, man.
But the only game I've been to here I took my son to his first game, went with my wife, and they lost. It was a man who was returning punts that year. It wasn't time Montgomery. No, God, no, it was a man.
I don't know, it was an epic disaster, though, and they kept running them out there. Do you remember who the hell I'm talking about? Eric Rossum? No, God, no.
This is like two or three. It was Rogers last year with the team. Amari Rogers?
Amari Rogers. Thank you, dude. Yes.
Great number eight. Jesus, man. My brain is fried with former Packer bums. But I was so angry after the loss that I beat the living shit out of my seat and my knuckles were all bloody. I remember that, yeah. I was like, yeah, I got to get a grip on my life, man. And then after, my wife made me take a picture with the guys that dressed like Kiss. They wear the Packers gear, so it's me, my son, and all these guys in Packers gear dressed as Gene Simmons and Kiss, and I got bloody knuckles. I should go.
That podcast is probably still on here somewhere. Yeah, I was like, I got to get a grip on my life with this team. But I think they win. I think they get revenge for my knuckles and for that loss, and for Aaron Rogers, 2-0. Jordan Love, two touchdowns, two picks, Matthew Goldblum.
I don't know. Now that I'm looking ahead a little bit, it's hard to actually find losses. I may have to change one of these to a loss. Maybe they just don't lose. Well, okay, week three is the Browns. That's in Cleveland. It's the earliest visit to Cleveland since 1972. And the fifth game between the two teams in the month of September. I believe the game that I was at in Cleveland was in September. They won four straight over Cleveland, and six of the last seven.
Noon game, Sunday, just the fighting Chidors. Yeah, who's the quarterback? The theory is that they drafted Dylan Gabriel so that Haslam didn't eventually want them to take Chidor because they'd be like, we already took a quarterback. And then Haslam's still like, nah, you still got to take him. What I don't understand, right, is like, But I got to win here.
Like literally, oh, this is going to be an ass-beat. I don't think, oh, here's my prediction though. 28-6, Packers. Jordan Love, only one touchdown pass. He scores another rushing touchdown though, right? A little read option, the floor finally calls. And then Josh Jacobs, two on the ground. Packers roll here.
Jair Alexander, interception. He stays with the team. So what I don't understand with Cleveland is you take Dylan, yeah, but they take Dylan Gabriel, right, where they should have taken Chidor. So what they should have done is taken Chidor and then taken Dylan Gabriel. Or does this mean that Chidor, like everybody thinks that he's just going to start the season and he's going to start like five or six or 10 games or whatever it is?
Is he though? Because where he was drafted usually tells you that he's going to be a practice squad player. Like if Dylan Gabriel was selected, you know, in the seventh, eighth round, sixth, seventh round, then that means that he's probably going to be on the practice squad. Like where the draft position is tells you that Dylan Gabriel is going to make the roster, you know?
And then what do they do? Because they have Kenny Pickett, who they traded for. They have Joe, like Joe Flacco is probably starting the season as the starter or he's definitely on the roster at least. So how many quarterbacks are they freaking bringing into the year?
So what a mess they are. Packers roll. Week four at Dallas before the bye.
It's Sunday night. I think in this spot, coming into a bye, road game against what should be a tough team. I I just but we dominate in Dallas. Yeah, this is going to be the first ever Sunday Night Football meeting with the Cowboys in Dallas. The Packers have won five in a row and 10 of their last 11, including the playoffs. The Packers have scored 34 plus points against Dallas in all of their games at AT&T Stadium. Yeah. Win for now.
I say loss, actually. This is regular season Dallas. And I actually think that they're going to be like surprisingly all right. I don't think they win the division. I think that the Eagles do. I think the Eagles would be even better than they were last year, dude. But this will be a game where Dallas finally gets revenge after all those tough losses.
You know that Dax been a part of a lot of them, mostly in the playoffs. If they meet again in the playoffs, Green Bay wins, but no pressure regular season game. So I think how it goes down is the Packers secondary just gets absolutely crapped out in this game. I think C.D. Lambs got like 12 receptions for a buck. Fifty three, you know, Jake Ferguson's going to torch him and then D.K. Metcalf will have a touchdown in this game as well. So George Pickens, D.K.
Metcalf. Yeah. I was like, you've got the wrong receiver. You're stupid. You don't know about sports.
I was thinking to myself. Cowboys win 28-24. Jordan Love throws the game losing interception.
And I go on Twitter and I troll everybody and everybody's like, you hate Jordan Love. And I'm like, hey, well, my guy used to lose. You guys used to give me shit and say you suck.
So now I joke with you little wimps. Packers have a bye. And then week five is against the Bengals. First time playing the Bengals at Lambeau Field since twenty seventeen. I remember that game.
It was awesome. I believe. I believe that. It's the Bill's year to get to the Super Bowl in the AFC. Oh, however, if they don't, I think it's the Cincinnati Bengals that get there. I have high aspirations for the Bengals, who I think will figure it out with Trey Hendrickson as he continues to emote outside of the stadium. But I like yeah, I like the Bengals to win this game. That means a loss for Green Bay. Yeah, same dude. Leflore off the bye.
I just don't trust that to do not trust at all. Yeah. And again, I think the secondary just gets absolutely butchered. I think T. Higgins destroys them.
I don't know if you know this, but I actually wanted them to draft T. Higgins. Did you ever like bring it up, though, and then still bring it up and then just bring it up to our chase torches? I think Chase Brown torches.
Mike is sick. He torches them. I do think it'll be a shootout, though, because the Bengals defense is going to still be balls, especially if they don't get this situation with the only guy that I like. Trey Hendrickson figured out.
I don't know, though. We'll see. I'm a big Al Golden guy.
I'm biased, though, because, you know, he was another named DC. Yeah, I'm going to go Leflore after the bye loss here. I'll say thirty five thirty two shootout game winning field goal from who's their kicker?
McPherson. That's what seals the deal. Packers with their second loss of the season now. So I've got them through six weeks at four and one, although I feel like they're going to be three and two.
So I got to make sense. Yeah, I got three and two here. They're going to lose one of Detroit and Washington, but I already picked them to win, so maybe not. So I got them four and one through six. You got them three and two through week six, week seven.
They're in Arizona. Packers are nineteen and seven in the month of October against the Cardinals with wins in each of the last five meetings. I think.
Hmm. Don't do it. I'm going to give them a win here. Oh, because the loss is coming next week. Oh, well, it is, but I'm going to give them the loss here because I think Arizona. What I think Arizona is a playoff team. That's I bet them to make the playoffs plus 200. They spent a bunch of money on the defense.
I like what they did in the draft. It's a huge year for not only Jonathan Gannon. They got to get to the playoffs, dude, but for Kyler Murray. And I still think Kyler could be good, like rubber a couple of years ago when they were undefeated and we played him on Thursday night with Rogers and we beat him in that really good game. And Kyler got hurt and then just wasn't the same player going into that game the first eight weeks of the season. He was like an MVP candidate. He just has to stay healthy. I think Marvin Harrison is going to have a big year, too. I love Trey McBride and the defense should finally be good enough for Jonathan Gannon.
You know, he had to take over scrap. So I'm going to go lost, dude. I don't like these go on the road West Coast games where everybody's going to think it's going to be an ass kicking 325. I got a bad feeling about this one. So, yeah, Packers are now three and three on the season. You're supposed to be you're supposed to be five and one at this point. I think I'm I think I'm in the back of my head.
Like picking wins to try to keep up with what I thought you were going to do. Yeah, there's three and three here, dude. There's three and three. That's that's right. I hope I'm wrong, but I think Kyler outduels Jordan Love in this one on the road. If it was at Lambeau, I'd pick Green Bay. But on the road to especially after Cincinnati.
Oh, yeah. Packers in week eight are in Pittsburgh. Fun fact here. The last time the Packers played Pittsburgh, I fell asleep in the stands in the third quarter.
Wow. Oh, drinky, drinky. The morning going to that stadium. So this is on the road. I had this like gin and tonic at like eleven. And I hit perfect drunk. Yeah. And I told my friends, I go, this is it. I'm perfect, happy, agreeable, drunk, and there's no coming. So it's Sunday Night Football.
I think we can guess why that is. We go with here. Your boy or Rogers? I think Rogers or no Rogers. They are going to lose this game. They're not losing the frickin Mason Rudolph. Well, I've got them losing in Pittsburgh. Me too. So they're going to be there.
Yeah. Here's my prediction. I mean, I, I want the world to give me credit when he signs there late in the summer. Like I've been saying since Adam Schefter was crying the opening day of free agency. My hot take is he's got to go. They're like seven to one right now to win the division.
That's the price of Mason Rudolph's the quarterback. So my prediction is he goes there. Everybody's going to love Baltimore. Everybody's going to love Cincinnati, even with that defense. And I think the Steelers are going to win the division.
Mike Tomlin finally has a quarterback. I think Rogers actually balls out this year. I think they win this game. I think it'll be a really good game. But I'll go with, again, if this is in Green Bay, I think Jordan love out duels. Rogers Packers win. But another road game, man. I don't love I don't love this. I love the start. Detroit and Washington and Cleveland, where everybody hates.
I don't like this little middle slide. So here's my prediction. They lose a tough one in overtime. Rogers gets his revenge, if you want to even call it that. And they're three and four.
Jordan Love goes to the podium after the game and he tells everybody Ari Lax relax. All right. Jesus. So you don't agree. We haven't agreed on a game in the last. Well, we both got a loss here. Three and four. And I've got them at five and two.
All right. Now they're going to return home to Carolina. Yep.
In week nine. And they are going to lose. Whoa. To Bryce Young and the NFC South champion Carolina Panthers.
Wow. I'm going to say they win a good one. 27 to 24. Jordan Love comes back after telling everybody to Ari Lax relax. Throws for three touchdown passes and 400 yards.
Jordan Love actually may throw for a career high in this game against that Panthers defense. Packers bounce back. They're back to four and four on the season.
Everybody's feeling good, but a little nervous because of what comes next on the schedule. Well, and I've got them losing two in a row. And then in week 10, it's a Monday night showdown against the Philadelphia Eagles.
And they're going to want to push, push revenge. But I think the Packers beat the Eagles at home Monday night, week 10. Packers are 18 and six at home against the Eagles, winning six of their last nine. The third Monday night football game against Philly at Lambeau, the first since 2003. I like them to beat the Eagles at home to improve to six and three.
Yep. Packers now above 500 and they roll against the Eagles and everybody's shocked. But last year they had to play week one on a slip and slide.
And then after that, it was the playoffs and they played in Philadelphia. Finally, they get this game at Lambeau Field. Packers get revenge. Jordan Love balls out once again against a really good secondary. And although the Packers do remember why they didn't or they forget that they should have drafted Cooper Eugene in this game, just had to throw that out there.
Also wanted him. Packers win, though. They beat the Eagles revenge game.
They're back. All right. I need to stack wins here because I got some losses coming up at New York Giants week 11. Ass kicking win. I think I'm going to try to get to that one.
Packers six and four. And like, see where I actually work. I like that. You should come up. I should. I would go to that one.
What is that? It's early, though. Man, I hate missing all the other games, though. I hate the games that are at noon. I'm going to tailgate with Carlos, I think. There you go.
Work my show in my real studio, maybe a night. I actually I do think that that should be a pretty good game. I think the Giants are going to be a little bit better than everybody expects, man.
I don't know if it's Dart, Russell Wilson, Jamis Winston, but that pass rush now with Abdul Carter, Dexter Lawrence, Ryan Burns. They might be like a top five defense, dude. So I think it's going to be a low scoring game. But Packers win. Week 12 against Minnesota. Ass kicking win. These teams have split the last six games played at Lambeau. And I believe the Packers will come in the win column here on the twenty third of November. You've got to win as well.
Yeah. J.J. McCarthy, one touchdown, three picks. Jordan Love, another solid game. Since he's told everybody to Arielle X, relax, by the way, they haven't lost the game. They're now seven and four on the season.
I'm betting futures. Everybody's real excited. People in Minnesota are a little worried, right? Did we maybe get it wrong? Should we have paid Sam Darnold? Should we have brought in Aaron Rodgers?
J.J. may suck. People forget he actually lost to Mount Carmel in the IHS, a state championship game. They're a little worried. They remember at Michigan, there was like one of their best wins.
He didn't even throw a pass in the second half. People are worried in Minnesota. And you know what? Fuck them. I'm happy. Skull. Do you hear water dripping by me?
I do. Shit. I'm going to move.
What happened? Oh, it's just raining and there's just like water dripping. Well, it's kind of actually refreshing. You know, the Packers are now seven and four. People were a little worried when I had them three and four.
They were freaking out. Big divisional win. Feeling pretty good about it, man. Jordan Love is getting some MVP love now, by the way. He's butchered some good defenses here.
Since getting out dueled by Aaron Rodgers, the old gunslinger. I'm still recording sloppily. Good.
Just very sloppily recording and I'm going to move. Are you taking this as an L or a win? What, the Vikings? Yeah.
Or the water situation? A little bit of both. The Vikings. I'm taking it as a win.
Okay. The next week, they have, I don't know why I don't just pause. Seven and four. They had, here come the losses. Thanksgiving in Detroit. Win. Loss.
Nope. They're going to lose that football game. No, they're going to sweep the season series against the Lions.
They're now eight and four. Jordan Love throws for nearly 550 yards. He's breaking records now. People are getting real excited. The defense is clicking. In this game, they turn over Jared Goff four times, a strip sack. And they're rolling, man. Van Ness gets in the end zone in this game.
It's just a complete ass kicking. Lions fans, they're calling for the head of Dan Campbell and kind of wishing that they hired Ben Johnson. It's getting really dicey in Detroit right now.
But the Packers are rolling and the Bears in Chicago are rolling right before their meetings coming up. I was talking about this with Grant and Paul. Who? Whoa. Jesus. Yeah. Yeah.
My bad. We have a show out here in D.C. Grant and Danny. I thought you were on with them or something because Toby is always like, yeah, he's their update anchor.
I don't, you know, I don't frequently listen unless Toby's hosting. All right. You hear me OK? Yeah.
I'm on my couch. So we asked about this or one of them asked me, what would you rather have? Would you rather J.J. McCarthy be a miserable failure or Ben Johnson be a miserable failure?
And I took Ben Johnson in a heartbeat. Really? Oh, yeah. If they the bear the thing about the Bears. Is that I don't like hate the Bears as much as I hate every time there's like a little morsel of hope.
Bears fans are like, this is the year. No, we are the best. I hate the Vikings a lot, though, like I really hate them in their entire like I even hate their like like like the broadcasters, man. Like I really think you need to unfollow the score from social media.
No comment. I think that's my problem. Well, no, I always did. I know it's like Ruthie thinks Aaron Rodgers like it was like, yeah, I got it. But I also need to unfollow all these guys from New York that I'm like co-workers with because I get all upset. Like they're acting like Juan Soto. I'm like Craig Council was a brewer the day he came out of the womb. He went to the Cubs and you guys are like, oh, get over it. And then Juan Soto is with the Yankees for a year.
And they're acting like he's Brett Favre going to the Vikings. You guys want council back? No. Sam, wait, I got a hot take for you. What? I think Pat Murphy might be a better manager than Craig Council. Not lately. His team fucking through.
Compare the teams, the rosters right now. You know what I call Ben Brown? I call Ben Brown. You guys don't pay anybody.
Don't get me wrong. I don't want to talk baseball because you guys hate my team. Ben Brown, do you remember Ben Hendrickson? He was a brewer, pitcher in 2005. Dominated the minor leagues, would come up to the majors and suck. No.
Bob Euchre called him Quadruple A. No, because I'm a Cub fan. That's what Ben Brown is. He sucks. Ben Brown sucks. Like our Ben Brown?
Yeah. Why? He can't do, he sucks.
He's the least of my worries. The whole entire fucking bullpen sucks. Cubs just lost last night to the, Cubs won't, here's the thing. Cubs won't even win the division.
The Cardinals will. I tell you guys this every year or every other year. That fucking team and their devil magic.
That's why I never understand why. Well, I guess you guys could hate us because of the whole Craig Council thing. And because they, you know, the douchebag fans that go into your stadium and act like assholes. But like, we all hate them too. I'm a Cubs fan. I hate 90% of the people on the North Side too. I just like the baseball team because you don't get to choose growing up.
And that's who my dad and my grandpa rooted for, damn it. Anyway, where are we at on the schedule? I got the Packers like 9 and 4 right now just rolling.
Jordan Love's in the MVP conversation. You've got them on a five game win streak winning Thanksgiving. I've got them losing to the Lions. And then they're going to lose to the Bears at home.
Week 14. And it's going to be awful. Yep. It's going to be like, everyone in Chicago, they're basically going to throw a party. They're going to dye the river green again and say it's Packer fan tears.
Yeah, I agree. I mean, that's kind of what scares me about them is it was a meaningless game and Jordan Love didn't even play in the majority of it. But like that win, finally beating them, the Packers last year and Caleb, like with the game winning drive. I feel like, remember when Detroit wasn't even in the playoffs, but they fucked us over in Roger's last game and beat them? Yeah, it propelled them.
Yeah, it felt like that was a culture builder. And that's why I hate to say it, but that's going to be wrong too, but I feel like that's the thing with the Bears. I can see them, though, winning this one and then losing at Soldier Field or wherever they're playing, the Hinsdale Park, wherever they're playing by then. But I'm going to go with a loss here too. I think the Bears beat them. Now, spoiler alert, I'm going to take the Packers to win in Soldier Field in two weeks. Okay. But, and that'll be that Saturday game against the college football playoffs. I think I'm going to do that too. But I'm going to take them to lose at Denver.
Same. Denver's good. This is only going to be the second December visit to Denver in team history. The Packers are 1-7 at Denver. They won in 2007. Was that Greg Jennings?
Mhm. Overtime? I think so.
All but two contests at the Broncos have been decided by 13 plus points. I am going to take them only because I'm going to that game. Are you going to this one? Yeah.
That's our group trip. You know, Broncos are going to be good. But I'm going to actually, I'm going to take Green Bay to win this game.
I think Jordan Love out-duels Bo Nix. I think the Packers bounce back after a loss to the Bears and they win this one. And then I think the following week, I think I'm with you. I think they beat the Bears on December, what is that? December 20th, the Saturday game, like you said, against the playoff. But yeah, I got the Packers winning that one. So they split the season series against the Bears going into the Baltimore game. All right.
Orders restored as you have them at 10 and five and I have them at nine and six. Yep. And I do believe they're going to beat the Ravens in week 17 at home. Me too. I think the Ravens missed the playoffs. There's another hot take for you. I hate to say it because I love Lamar Jackson. And I don't think they're going to be bad. I just, let's say Rogers shows up and Steelers defense isn't a complete disappointment. You know, they could be good. Cincinnati could be good.
You know, the Browns are going to be shit, so everybody should beat up on them. Yeah, I'll take this as a win too. And then they end the season against Minnesota. Another win.
They beat them there. So I got them at 12 wins. I got them at 12.
I'm going to take a win. 11 and five for me. 12. Or no, 11 and six for me. 12 and five for you. How do I, that's crazy. Everybody's, people are going to listen to the beginning of this podcast and be like, oh, fucking Horvath being a Jordan love hater. And I end up going 12 and five.
I hate that middle. And I could be wrong. You know, they could beat Arizona and Arizona could stink again. They could beat Cincy.
I just, I don't trust the floor out of the buy. What they do is they probably, I got Dallas as a loss. You took them to beat the Bengals though.
Yeah, I don't know. There's a couple where I feel like I got them beaten Philly. I feel like they should beat Philly. I got them beaten the Ravens. Your bad stretches. Cowboys loss.
Buy. Bengals win. Steelers loss. And mine is a three game losing streak lines, bears, Broncos 11 and six, 12 and five, which should win the division for you. I mean, 11 and six should win the division for me. I got Packers. I got Packers with 12 winning the division. I got the bears coming in second with 11. I got Detroit only winning nine games this season and then Minnesota with seven. That'd be my prediction right now. I got Packers winning the division, which you should bet right now better than two to one, especially with Detroit schedule. Also dude, and I know that people are like picking up on this and I know some of them are early, but what do they play nine, nine road games and seven of them are on the road. Go and look at Jared Goff's home road splits. You know, I stopped watching the UFL once I started, stopped betting on it.
It's a bad product. I want to like it. Well, you have a team there. I know. I thought I went to one game.
I thought I would do it more. I'll say this. Like if I didn't have Nathan and a wife and I had like buddies out here, I would go like just for the drinking event of it.
But yeah, dude, I mean it's, it's, it's, it's shit. I'd rather go to a Nats game. There's too much to do here. I'm going to a Sturgill Simpson on Saturday. Pretty excited about that.
Johnny blue skies. Next Saturday I'm going to Dave and then the Tuesday after that I'm going to Dave. So we got a nice little, uh, three concerts here in the next two weeks, two different places for Dave.
Yeah. I'm going to New Jersey on Tuesday, which is like an hour and a half away. And then I'm going to Maryland for the first one.
I'm going to the same place for Sturgill and Dave back to back on the Saturdays. So pretty excited about that. It's going to be a big weekend. Got the NBA playoffs.
Of course. Go Knicks. Who are you cheering for? The Knicks are the, Oh, I don't even got to ask you. Every time I turn on your show, you're shitting on the Pacers.
I hate them. I know. I know. I don't think anybody else is joining your movement really though with it. Nobody seems to care. Does anybody care about the NBA?
I'm just kidding. No, I'm rooting for, I want to see Knicks wolves because of the trade. You want to hear my hot take? If I was the bucks, I don't even care. You know that Giannis has been loyal. I'd say there's 0% fucking chance that we're trading you because Evan Mobley and Kyle Kuzma and all the draft picks in the world are not going to bring people to the deer district.
Do you think, let me ask you that. Do you think people would still, yeah, your diehards, but does everybody that loves the bucks and does the bucks podcasts and whatnot, are they still watching games when it's Kyle Kuzma and not even, you know, pretty much look at the Bulls the last decade. How many people are going to watch the playing bucks or the 18 win bucks? Do you think it's like when I moved to Milwaukee in the first place and like, I guess that's a bad example because Jabari just got there.
People were starting to buy in a little bit. It'll go back to what it was where you could just like walk up to the Bradley Center and get a $2 ticket. Yeah, that's what I mean.
So that's why if I'm John Horace, I'm like, no, we're not going to do it. And also if you look at, I mean, the problem is the age, I guess, but if you look at like what the warriors did, we all thought they were dead like 20 fricking times and instead they won a championship a couple of years ago with Steph, with Draymond and with Klay. But that's the problem is there is nobody else. It's just Giannis and a bunch of bums because Dame's dead. They traded Middleton, rightfully so.
Who's more- I want to hear more for you. If people are going to say they need to trade Giannis, I want to hear people say they need to trade Jalen Brown. That's what I want to hear. In Boston? Yeah. Jalen Brown, his knee looks like cooked.
Yeah, they're done. If I did have to trade Giannis, it'd be to the Rockets and I'd want, and I would start with the biggest asking price, right? I would say I want Jabari Smith. I would want them all except for, I don't think Jalen Green's any good. I think he fucking stinks and he's the kind of guy I don't want on my team. You know, I don't need a guy that's going to score 24, 25 in the regular season because he's shooting the ball 30 times a night, but then in the playoffs he's going to give me seven, eight, and nine.
Like I just, I don't know. You could say picks, but the problem is if you're trading picks with some of these teams, like how bad are they going to be? And in the NBA, you need lottery picks.
That's the thing. Being a Bulls fan, I could tell you when you're picking fucking 12th every year, you're never going to change. You need superstars in this league and the Bucks have one. That's why I laugh when I hear like Kendrick Perkins and all these guys like, oh, they got to trade them. They got to trade them. I don't know about that.
I feel like, like I said about Rogers those last couple of years, I'd rather suck and watch my favorite player than suck and watch Kyle Kuzma. Do you see who's on my TV? No, how the fuck would I see that? Oh, like the little dudes? Yeah.
Who is it? Seth Rollins, John Cena, and Jay Uso. Oh, we got the whole, hold on one second. I got the whole. I bought, I bought the Uso's, these little guys for 40 bucks on eBay because I couldn't find them. If the guy sends them to me, there's still a $4 Walmart sticker on them.
Dude, we may have every guy in the Federation. Hold on one second. Look at this. This is, and this isn't even my kid's room. This is just the shit that I put up with in our living room.
This house is a goddamn wreck right now. Look at this. All right. Do you still have that Jets thing?
Yeah. I'm trying to sell it because I got to get my Steelers one in here. Fuck the Jets. We got Stone Cold Steve Austin. We got Ray Mysterio. We got Alistair, or no, this is Brody King from AEW. I don't know why we have him. We got the old school undertaker.
Wow. He looks like Damian Pierce. We got main event Jay Uso. Damian Pierce. Just me, Uso. We got Damian Pierce.
Don't worry. We got the tribal chief, Roman Reigns. We got the other Uso, Jimmy Uso. We got Jeff Hardy, fresh out of rehab. We got AJ Styles. We got Matt Riddle, and we got the entire raw ring here, so we're cooking. My ring is WrestleMania goes Hollywood.
Hey, you know what you should do a topic on tonight? How Mark Jones fucking sucks. I've been banging head drum for years. How do we get him off these broadcasts? That's the only good part about doing the show from 7 to 11 p.m. Eastern is I don't even know that he still is on the call for the... Every time, why can't he just be normal, dude? A good pop cultural reference. We all love it, but it's the same shit every game, dude, and SGA goes down the lane flaming like a Cardi B concert.
Oh my God, we got the pistons and the Timberwolves going at it like Drake and Kendrick Lamar. Like shut up, shut the fuck up, just shut up. He's never met a four syllable word he doesn't like either. I hate him, and I usually don't let the broadcasters get to me ever, ever, ever. I just don't like him. I absolutely hate him.
I hate him, and I see like I hate myself for hating him even because I see like Clay Travis hates him and stuff and like a lot like, you know, and I just so I kind of wanted to like like him and I tried, dude, but he's he's a tough listen, man. Him, Doris is is Doris on Celtics games is intolerable. Yeah, you shouldn't be able to I should not be able to tell who you're a fan of on a national broadcast. Yeah.
Yeah, for play by play, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you've got him at 12 and five and I've got 11 and six, 12 and five Super Bowl champs. Great stuff is always Packers.
We should get dinner sometime, huh? Packers over the Steelers and the Super Bowl. Jordan Love gets his revenge over Rogers. I would that'd be terrible.
You wouldn't want Rogers against Jordan Love in the Super Bowl. No, I think the Super Bowl is going to be. Buffalo San Francisco.
No. Yeah, I think San Francisco beats Buffalo 2824. That's my early prediction.
Brock Purdy wins MVP this year to 28 to one. How about Buffalo and the. God ever see sucks Panthers. I guess the Packers. Yeah. Why not us?
Packers bills. I'd have to go to. Oh, yeah, it's in San Fran. I'm gonna try to get there anyway.
Look at me being a world traveler, even though I'm mortified to go on a plane right now. The only thing is, dude, that would be the one Super Bowl where I'd be like, fuck, they kind of deserve it more. Oh, yeah. I mean, we got some painful losses, but shit, you know, Horvat. Love you.
Thanks, man. Hey, what's your prediction for Saturday night main event? I got our truth over Siena. Well, it's not a title match, so they might do something weird. Oh, it's not? Yeah, I have no interest in that match, but I'll go Siena. Yeah, I'll take Siena as well. There we go. Thank you all for stopping into the Winkler-verse.
