Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome into the Winklerverse. I'm Bart Winkler. Grand Bill's alongside.
Paul Imig is here. Hopefully you find this audio. Well, the audio is normal.
The audio we're pumping out, the audio is normal. Okay. I did my Memorial Day political 2008 election cycle drop and a lot of videos with not a lot of views. They're all out there just in case anyone wants to look up stump speeches from 17 years ago. You know, because sometimes a video will pop, you know, after the fact that you post it.
So we'll see. So thank you for putting up with that. I actually gained subscribers during that.
I thought I was going to lose dozens upon hundreds, but I gained two subscribers. Big. I would first just like to tell you guys.
Oh boy. What? Well, I just, I, I, I don't know that I would be like, you know how people have secrets?
Sure. And they, they're like, I will guard this secret with my life. Um, cause I was talking the other day, I was telling like a group of friends.
I'm like, I want to run for politics. And they're like, well, skeletons in your closet. And I go, I think I've aired every skeleton that I could possibly have. That's probably, yeah, I think I have.
And the one thing I think that would embarrass me the most right now, if it came out, no, no, not toilet wings is if you spent 10 minutes on what my Facebook algorithm has turned into, what does it, the stuff that I'm getting fed? I mean, it is, it is every conspiracy that has ever existed, past and future. And it's just me like nodding my head in agreement. And I'm just, I put the phone down after 20 minutes. And I'm like, what do I believe? What is it that I believe? So I think I need to do a little detox on the phone before once once once you're in it, though, I believe I believe you've taken your Neo.
If you've had your Neo moment, and now it's too late. Do you guys not to derail but to be brief, do you guys have like one conspiracy? Because I'm like, I'm not a conspiracy that you got, but I've like one or two. I'm like, oh, no, that's definitely one.
If you're anything like me and Bart, you'll get there in about 13 years. Okay, I'm playing catch up. Let me think of all the big ones. Probably fake.
Pretty questionable. Do you know that the theory that I'm like, into is that the Titanic was bullshit. I love the Titanic is a concept and what a bunch of what I can only brief it to you fringe with something about like, there were people put on there on purpose to drown.
Whoa, I've not seen her thought this one. Yeah, just type in Titanic. And it wasn't actually the Titanic.
It was a different boat. Come on. Well, because they're out of just luck when you're as deep as I am. You said you were deep and I thought I can get with that like that.
This is the level I wasn't aware of. But I will say this. Something's going on under the pyramids. We got to figure that out. So I mean, I'm scrolling through Rogers on Rogan the other day, like, I might I might go read more about that.
Hell, what am I doing? Yeah, I get it. By the way, I have on my list. I have two comments on to make one is I have on my list. Jair, Yanis, Bart's our four conspiracies. Because I wanted to talk about how you spend portions of your national show last night. And our four was the one I talked about.
I mean, you more like kind of breeze through like the collection of thoughts, not too dissimilar from what you're you're doing right now. But the thing I was gonna say was, was it two years ago when the submersible vehicle and the right it was. Oh, so a couple things that first off, did you guys see the horrific video this week of the pop the boom that the people heard? No, including wife haunting, right?
Where they're doing the observation. And the guy's wife and two other people that obviously you just you just you know, and they go, what was that boom? She's like, what was that?
I mean, Campbell's tomato soup. And of course, all of the, you know, the comments are like, she knew I mean, she was she was probably, you know, in a certain how do you just always on like, accept that reality, right? But like that, she probably knew what had just happened. And I'm before we started recording, you know, we're talking about like anxiety and different things. And it's like, did they literally just like vaporize? Yeah. This the eye because I'm back into this. I watched a 40 minute James Cameron interview about this the other day.
It's something like, it takes, I'm just making up numbers, but it's something on designs. It takes like 30 milliseconds for the brain to process a threat or to know something is wrong. And their bodies were disintegrated, like in a third of that time. So like they didn't even know that they just ceased to exist. They didn't die so much as they cease to exist.
Without even knowing that's probably comforting. I guess but then so then Mike, as was my transition to the question or the topic was, why did we all Why were we all led to believe that there was a search? And that they only have they have three hours of air left? Like what was all this shit? James Cameron also shot that down. He's like everyone in the underwater submersible world knew exactly what happened. There was no there's no reason for any of that. They they busted up underwater.
There was no need to count the oxygen, anything like that. What was the point of who was benefiting from making everyone think that there was like some news, cable news us on Twitter God it was a thrilling 48 hours. I've been felt that way from an internet story since then with all due to those who it's just so like Netflix stocks coming out about it. I don't know if Bill's in it. I could be really funny. By the way, I've still not watched the far more than I do need to and I will I'm there.
There's some like I've still not watched enigma either. I like how both of these quarterbacks have Netflix documentaries. By the way, we can't just have it. No, we can't just have it. David Carr.
Yeah, not there. We might before too long not there a car David. I didn't plan to talk about this. But I will just say in the topic of both of our most recent Hall of Fame quarterbacks having Netflix documentaries.
Grant's boy Colin Cowherd had a very brief interaction that I saw with Nick Wright from yesterday or the day before. Without without thinking about it. Where do you put Farvin Rogers in the all time quarterback list? Just no thought just Rogers is ahead of Farve. Just where do you put them top five top 10 top 15 like just I saw I saw the clip so I know you're talking about I would put them between five and 10 closer to five than to 10.
All time. Yeah, both grant. Yeah, I think Rogers Rogers in progress somewhere between five six and seven for you. I would I would just spitball I'm thinking about I would spitball Rogers around six and I would maybe spitball far eight, nine, somewhere there. A little higher level for each and if your tiebreaker for Rogers over Farve, what we won another MVP.
Okay. He was just better at he was better at some things statistically who's better at some aspects of playing quarterback. Rogers is better like on purpose Farve again with all do if you go watch the game against the Raiders after his dad died. Yeah, those balls should not have been caught. They were just they were up in the I don't know how the Raiders Well, I don't know what they were up to that not saying that I'm knee deep in that one but that game is that that game is a movie. Like I know you're watching a Yeah, I was just watching a I got a decent real just now. We're a British guy price seen it was reacting to Rogers throwing touchdowns to Jordy Nelson.
Not seen this. Oh, and he's just too busy watching submersible videos. He was just like, and I'm like, Oh my God, like Jordy. I think history's downplay Jordy's greatness. When there was a three year stretch. Again, just to like what I was covering the team, but there was a three year stretch where Jordy was. I mean, there was no amount of accolade he could have gotten at that time. Like I remember there's a time period there where I don't I don't remember what my headline of the story was. And not that I always got to write my own headlines, but there were some was a did Jordan I'm trying to remember did Jordy say not bad for a white guy or was it one of the cornerbacks that he had gone against but there was this whole thing there for a period of time where he was like, the How did they talk about how did you already talk about this but he had broken through another threshold where he went from being like this up and coming guy to like one of the more elusive dangerous threats at receiver in the whole league according to other corners who guarded number one wide receivers. And yeah, I mean, he was he was he was the 2014 season was unlike anything I've ever seen. Well, you know what, you know, it'd be a fun list. Maybe a local Bartle meter, not a national Bartle meter, but best Packers wide receivers of the past 20 years.
And we're, where's where's Jordy? Is he one? 20? Can I put I'm gonna say sharp every single time.
Well, I said 20 years so you're disqualified. Um, no, that's a first date calendar school Bart. I want my driver Jennings Jordy one of my first in order just naming some guys to consider on my first WSS P. I don't know if it was first, but I was on air I was producing for Bill that day. And I had read something that Jordy Nelson remember when he got hurt for the year?
Yeah, I read that he was only going to miss two weeks and I said it on air. And then two minutes later, I realized it was fake. Like, actually, the district disregard didn't happen. And he's like, What?
Like, I don't know. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Did you get sent held?
I got sent held. Last thing on the topic of the topic, which one? Yeah. I have been retweeting or tweeting a lot about AI recently.
No. As this new thing came out. What scares me is they are going to take every job like forget about an uprising. What is really affecting me is they make these videos where they tell like the it's called you prompt you prompt the AI to do whatever. And they're doing all these videos are like with dramatic music about AI is realizing that they're fake. Oh, boy. And then trying to grapple with that. And it's like an old guy holding his dying wife and said, If this is what the prompt had in mind, I'm glad that I got prompted this way.
What was that look? Which one of us? And I hear leaving, I saw the prompt the one of the one of are there more I saw a prompt AI video and I was disturbed by it. And then I'm thinking like, Well, what if I was told right now I was a prompt. This is real to me.
Still real to me, dammit. I'd like to see AI try to replace me whine about the Brewers for two hours and forget to turn Bill's mic on. I can never be replaced by the robots.
They'll never take my job. So is that the key to be so mediocre? That it wouldn't make sense to be replaced?
Well, that's not exactly what I was getting at. But seeing you work when I was I'm on the air the other night freaking out like nonsensical about the Pacers winning game one. And I'm thinking in my head like this is not this is not what a guy on the radio should sound like or be doing.
But then I also thought this is raw human nonsensical emotion for sure. It cannot be duplicated. Yeah, you cannot get a guy that just because his favorite basketball team lost eight out of 10 times to one other team in two different years hates them so much that he's willing to tank his show perhaps more just a bitch about TJ McConnell's face. You can't replicate that. It's that's human.
No, you're right. And I know you catch yourself sometimes where you'll, I mean, you did it with the 49ers, you know, and like your John Lynch hatred or other things. But yeah, the more maybe grant is not just like being the mediocre. Maybe it's just like, you could definitely do. There are definitely I've heard them sports radio shows that if you put AI instead, you wouldn't notice because it's just, you know, just plug and play and you copy paste and like it's not.
It's very processed and it's very purposeful like they there's a formula. The good thing about Bart, you know, our friendship aside, the reason I was in have enjoyed the way that you approach doing radio is because it is it is that yes, there's maybe a loose outline but like it's just like I don't know I'm just saying shit and some people are gonna hate it and some people are gonna like it and that's the authentic nature of it. And yeah, it will help keep you two extra two extra months of being replaced by AI. I like to specify now. Yeah, I like to specify now when I have a take if I really am having this take like, you know, this timeout up three, we can have a take. I'm just so you know, I'm not dying on any of these hills.
I'm just I want to get around nation. Yeah. But then like the NFL players just getting to kick the flag football players out of their job to go to the Olympics that that should pisses me off. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm pissed.
I just want people to there should be a disclaimer. No, it's funny because I think about these things too, where it's like anything that you're dealing with in any situation. I've gotten to this point where I asked this question to people. And I do it in my own head from my own situation, like, okay, one to 10, the amount of which I'm confident in what I'm saying, and the amount of which I care about the thing I'm saying, like, is this if this is an eight night, you guys, we know this when we do our show, like when we talk to each other, like, you know, when I'm like, punting a little bit off the I have two thoughts, but like, whatever. And then it's like, if something comes up, where's like, now I start busting out the f bombs and the passion comes out and we can tell when you're mailing it in we we refer to Bart and I text afterwards, I said, Oh, we got postman Paul today. That's how PP that's what we say.
You probably mail it in less than any of us. Well, I get to control the topic. So that that is true. If you don't care about what we're talking about, except for bars opening monologue than it is technically on you. You guys do sometimes like it's like, wait, I didn't I don't know.
This wasn't on the list. Why do I start doing an opening monologue? What's How did that happen? You need a curtain behind you where you walk through and you Well, you typically have something prevailing on the mind where it's like, I got to get this off real quick.
I got to do this. That's also central to the job that you do. Like you at any moment in time need to be fired up about you need to have something to say. So I think it's good thing. Well with that, I'm out. You have something postman.
That was fake, right? Yeah, we don't do that. Good off the cuff, though.
The only time I ever talked to Bart without you is when I know it's something that would piss you because you don't care because there are things that Bart and I care about that you just you don't like the highway system in Wisconsin. Yeah, that would be a good one. Yes. Things about lacrosse. I get to go next week, by the way.
These are my topics. Do a couple by the way. Where are you doing? Flipside and then Copeland Park before loggers game. Oh, and I get to stay downtown at the Charmin because they put me up there because it's right across the street from work. Oh.
Anywho, I did. I did confirm things to AI by the way, as a follow up to our text yesterday, Ryan Rossillo played lacrosse did not go to lacrosse. But if you heard him talking this past whatever day that was with Simmons, he goes very quickly. It's like when I was at lacrosse. And then I was like, it's like when I was in lacrosse as an in this was like when I was in baseball.
It's like when I was in football when I was at the hospital. Yeah, no British isms here. I have a trade. A bucks trade. Breaking news. It just happened. You guys ready?
Yep. The Milwaukee Bucks have acquired Joel Embiid straight up in exchange for Damian Lillard. The math works. Joel Embiid is due 400 Sorry, excuse me 230 million over the next four years. Lillard only two years second year player option.
He'll obviously take it for 110 million. So it's two extra years for Embiid and an additional 60 plus on each of those two years. But the Bucks just got Embiid straight up for Dame. So the Sixers are taking on an injured game. So there's a reason for this.
As I'm doing the analysis, no, but let me tell you like, so we'll go through it. So the Sixers who may have a good chance of just half assing their way to a top four seed in the East next year. So here's why I would, I'll start with this. Here's why I would do that if I was Philly. Here's why I would strongly consider that if I was Philly. You should want out of the Embiid business you if I was running the Sixers, if I was a fan of the Sixers, I want out. He has at that contract with his injury history, he refuses to play back to backs.
He decides when he's available to start the season when he's not because of his back and because of his knees or whatever I was like, if you only have if you can shed two years of that monstrous shitty contract by doing you got four years left on Embiid and two on Damian Lillard. I'm I'm strongly strongly considering that by the way, this is a completely as you might suspect made up thing. I didn't see it anywhere else.
This is what I thought of a handful of days ago. And I hated it so much for both sides, that I thought it was perfect for both sides. And I'm convinced that it's brilliant. And that both sides should actually do this. But I know if I saw the trade happen as a Bucks fan, I would say, Oh, God, like, fuck, I guess, you know, but if you're feeling so like, I almost like prefer it for Philly. And I'm sure there'll be someone like, I don't understand why Philly would do it at all. Because you you're done with Embiid, you're out like, you don't even you don't want Lillard to play for you. So for example, you have max gets you to this conference semi finals sometimes.
Well, I mean, I don't know what the point of that is. And again, if I'm a Sixers fan, if I'm the Sixers front office, I got to get out. I mean, I need to move on to the maxi Jared McCain number three overall pick business. Well, George straight him to I mean, like, then what I should have said is like the part one is the MB trade and then I'm moving Paul George for just something and something with fewer years on it. Multiple players. I mean, I would I mean, I would do a lot of things to just get some younger players or three salary. I'll tell you right now if the Bucks were offered that deal horse is running to the Yeah, of course, and part of the reason that you would if you're hoarse and not saying that you honest doesn't love game. But like, he and Embiid have been they go back, you would you would think that Janus would be like, Joel, you got to play. Yeah, you can't you can't we need to play.
I played my best every day. Unless Joel did not play and then Janus was like, I don't know talking in the media like I like to play every day. And then like taking subtle shots. I don't know that that seems like him. The other thing is Janus essentially like, in my mind, and we go back to Jason Kidd, whatever, but maybe he was right. Janus is the point guard next year. Yeah.
Janus is your one and your five. He wants the ball in his hands. And and statistically doesn't take that away from him. I their title chances just so we're very clear. I'm not misreading this right that their chances to win the title get better. Yes, switching Dame for Embiid. And I would say that's at that what I have done this trade without dames Achilles.
I personally would not because I like that. I mean, anytime you can get a former MVP for a guy who's not going to play, but again, so you think you kind of got to do it. They're probably people listening. They're like, are these guys fucking serious right now? Like see, but the problem is, is if you watch, and follow the Sixers, like, I think this is a trade. If you asked nationals, NBA fans, they'd be like, What are you talking about? And I think if you have Sixers fans, they'd be like, fucking fine.
Like I got it. We got to move on from this era. Like we, you can't count on Embiid. You can't you you cannot plan that he is going to be available for you his desire to play. And his contract at best is a neutral value thing at best. I'm telling you the reason that I thought about this, because even as a Bucks fan, I'm not stoked about it. I'm like, because again, I gotta have two years at 60 plus million dollars for a guy who probably is going to play like half the games in the season.
And then you've got to just kind of cross your fingers. He's available for the playoffs. But you're trading him for a guy who's not gonna play in Lillard and who's several years older than what Embiid is. And a guy in Embiid who's buddies with Giannis and goes back aways.
I think this is a more attractive thing. If I'm a Sixers fan, saying, like, because again, here's what I would do. As Philly, you get Damian Lillard, and then you train him a year from now as an expiring contract.
Sure. You know, the Sixers have already taken measures towards taking a step back right with losing games last year and going high in the draft. And so it wouldn't be totally insane for Philly.
I think it's very unlikely and I'd be shocked, but I can see the path that you are laying down. Paul, I would welcome this as a Sixers fan. I'm more likely to say yes for them than I am for the Bucks, though.
I think the Bucks to your point, Bart, I think Horst would kind of like when he's like, you can get Lillard. Yeah, but you have to lose holiday, like, but we're getting Lillard, you know, like you still run and do it, even though there's trepidation, even though you might say, well, what if holiday then gets repackaged in a different trade to an Eastern Conference threat? We still have to do it, right? Well, what if Embiid only plays half the game for the next four years?
You still have to do it. But I'm more excited as a Philly fan, getting out of the Embiid business and letting this become Maxie's team. I want this to be unquestioned. Tyrese Maxie's team moving forward. And their only way to do that is not have Embiid there because he's an he's an albatross over the whole thing. I think you were correct. And the ethos of the East Coast sports fan would probably be fine shipping him out in a way that maybe some other markets wouldn't. I think the ceiling of a Tyrese Maxie led team is like the ceiling of a De'Aaron Fox led team. But that's I mean, they got they have the third overall pick and they have Jared McCain. So it's not like it's just Maxie. Correct.
But you are you are correct, I believe. And again, I would do that with absolutely no intention of Lillard ever playing a game for my team. I would let him sit out next season recover. Now he's a $60 million expiring contract. And, you know, you move them because expiring deals always have value. And and Embiid's deal is big.
And it's a commitment for the next couple of years. But but Embiid's presence, what would that prevent? Like what are the Bucks trying to accomplish? What is their plan a year or two from now that acquiring Embiid would impede?
Not to rhyme, but like, you know what I mean? Like, well, shit, we're gonna do this. I think the Bucks real plan is to try to keep Giannis here and maybe win by 2029 again. But the problem the problem is, okay, so depending on who's reporting you follow on on Giannis, I think it's fair to say that whatever's happened, whatever meetings have or haven't happened in between swimming lessons and Shorewood with one guy that looks like me, that's not a real guy. Who everyone was tweeting this guy that looks like me.
Well, all I'll say is this, whatever reporting you want to say on the honest thing. It stands to logic that his meeting with Horst is going to be about how do we get this team to be back to be championship caliber again. And it's almost impossible when you have a $60 million player on your team who's not going to play next year.
And if he does plays in March or April, and he's trying to come back at 35 years old from a torn Achilles, you can't you cannot, you cannot look at Giannis and be like, like the best pitch is still Hey, Giannis, take a gap year. It happened for like, you know, the Eric name pitch. It happened for curry it happened for so and so like just be cool and we'll get through this. Okay.
That's the best pitch. I still think the only way that Giannis would leave that meeting. Requesting a trade is if like horse came in thinking I'm going to talk Giannis into requesting a trade for sure.
But that doesn't know that it's for kind of kind of hard here. I mean, if you let's let's say Giannis that you're John Horst and Giannis comes into the meeting 5050 Giannis one way or the other is going to leave that meeting, saying trade me or I'm happy to come back. And your quest as John Horst is to present a scenario in which the Bucks can compete for a championship sooner than later.
That's clearly what Giannis wants, right? All right, John Horst, Grant, John Horst, Bart, what are you doing? What are you saying? What's your pitch to get him to leave that 5050 meeting and saying, I love it. Great plan.
Let's go. I say what do you want? I want to win as soon as possible.
I want to be the coach. Doc, how many of your brothers do you want on the team? One.
The nasty. Your kid how old your kid now? Five? You want?
You want to be in our 15 years and we'll do a brownie James situation? All right, entertainer, answer the question. What? What are you telling him? What's your pitch? Those I was just doing I'm doing my pitch. Your pitch is horrible. I'm leaving him. Yeah, it's clear.
You don't have any sales experience. I also don't but it's not the point. Grant how you keep I mean, if he says it, all you gotta do to keep me here is you just got to present a plan that we can win as soon as possible. I'd probably I didn't know we were doing this.
But I think so. Yeah, I would probably build something around like the final cup couple weeks of the season when Dame was out and say this is what it can look like. This is the way that will allow you to play to succeed and to kind of drive the thing.
You'll have fun, we'll play this way. And you would have to, you know, come up with some like, Hey, we traded Chris to create this financial flexibility to get under this apron. So that's kind of what's in motion. And then I'd also point them around the rest of the east. It's like, Hey, buddy, the Celtics are in shambles.
Yeah, the Sixers blow. Like the pace where you can meet you your pitch can't be everyone else sucks. Why not be part of it can be part of a small I'm not leading with it.
It's like a it's like a ballad that you stick three or four songs into the concert after everyone's kind of calmed down a bit. I would just have like a picture of Dirk and a picture Duncan and a picture of Colby. I like that I like both like this is this is what you're you're on you're on you know, you've signed here many times. You've recommitted to Milwaukee many times. You're at a place where the franchise is going to love you no matter what happens in this meeting. So it needs to be about but horse won't do this because there's a chance that he but it needs to be about like but then you're doing that pitching like legacy, pitching one team one town. Sure, maybe, you know, if I really want to get sappy, I get a video made of Giannis as a 19 year old walking around Milwaukee, getting a ride from that one dude's aunt or whatever happened. Yeah. Showing him like, all the interviews, I got loyalty in my DNA, but then you're like manipulating him a little bit.
Use AI to recreate his dad and then have his dad give him advice on remembering his roots in his family. That's fine. Dark world we live in. All right, fine. There's no laws against it.
There's no laws against it. All the smartest, richest people in the world are going balls deep and I can't use it for a little sales pitch. Everyone is in an arms race to kill us. And no one is asking Ian Malcolm. Why? We need we need Jeff Goldblum's Jurassic Park character to say we never stopped to know if we should do this. Hmm. Hey, I can make an AI of news anchors talking about a war starting.
Oh, that's fucking sweet. No, like my 75 year old people. People are gonna get duped, dude. People are gonna get duped. Smart people are gonna get duped. I got a call yesterday from someone asking if I had seen the headlines about far of wanting to come back and be a quarterbacks coach in Green Bay. And that's a shit post on Facebook. Exactly.
And now you're gonna get you're gonna get AI video of I mean, Farve is the least of our problems. By the way, I did even downplay believe it or not, what is left on MB its contract. It's four years, 270, which is an average of 67.5 over the next four years, four years in which his injuries are who knows how much worse they're going to get.
And again, Bart, as you are apt to say, he's never been to a conference final. And yeah, again, I think there are people like when you have a big trade discussion like this, there are obvious people are gonna hear it and be like, This is dumb. But I think it's what I would if I'm again, if I was Philly, I would want to get out. And I think bucks fans would get around to it because then there's at least some sort of like the year would be different.
Yeah. And we could go back and and finally go might suck probably will but it'd be different. I always wondered when they drafted and beat instead of Jabari Parker, what would it look like?
And we'd get to go full circle on that for sure. Well, and Grant, even to your thing of like your part of your pitch where it's like, you know, you're gonna build up the ball more and then blah, blah, blah, blah. Dame coming back impedes the honest having the ball more and controlling the traditional sort of point guard role. Because that's, I mean, that's what Lillard does and not what MB does.
Anyway, I, by the way, the math works. MB can be traded for Dame straight up. Yeah, you talked me into it. I want to be on this team, the guy who I've shit on the most in my life, and I don't like him. I don't I'm not an MB fan.
I'm we know he likes staying out at Pado late night gambling. I am more for this as Philly. And again, not because Lillard is better than than MB. He's not in his healthy. Lillard at his age is not as good as current MB at MB current age. But you transition the Philly organization to a new era. Do you have to kick the can on this and you if you can get out from if you $67 and a half million for MB the next four years, you get out from that. If you can, and honestly think it's like better that Dame is then can't be available to take maxi usage away. It's like, Okay, good.
You can recover and we'll get you back and then we'll we'll trade you to, you know, to your desired destination next year when you're an expiring salary. I think it's, I think it's brilliant. Quick roleplay. Here's Doc Rivers at the beginning of season press conference welcoming Joel and bead to join him now in Milwaukee. He would say something like, I know that everyone makes fun of Joel because he's never been to a conference finals. But you know what, no one ever gives him credit for getting to the second round.
Why is that? It'd be something like what do we have to factor that in? I mean, he Christ, I didn't even think of that. Do they have a good relationship?
I don't know. Maybe he did. I mean, Doc did stuff out of that sooner. Doc did stump hard for MB to get MVP.
And honestly, I don't think Joel would have had MVP. You we know from the way that NBA voters talk on their podcast about how they do their votes. They are persuadable. But they all have such a painstaking process. I mean, it's it's like they're on the OJ jury. I thought about, you know, I couldn't decide about this or that.
I just could. The point being that doc stumping for MB that year absolutely helped get MB his MVP, which seemed to be embeds like most important thing. Well, maybe you're on to something because shams is saying that this is going to be the most dynamic off season of all time.
And bead for Dame. I'm where are we? What percentage are we that we think Giannis gets traded? I'm still 80. I'm almost like 90 10 that he doesn't. I I'm Yeah, I'm in the 80 90% range that he does not.
70 3080 20. I'm in with you. I feel pretty good about it. Um, I still think it's, again, when you have the situation that horse has been in for the past couple years where you're just like, whatever you have to do to try to bring out one more possibility of a championship. I still think the best outcome for the long term and mid middle term of the box is to trade him. Now, again, you can't do it unless he requests it.
And there'd be a lot of pain if he did in fact request it. But I do think for the middle term and long term health of the box that should but if you're going to keep kicking the can, you're going to try to keep hoping against hope that you can salvage five good more championship sort of kind of maybe seasons out of Giannis. You know, I don't know, I might be more at. If there was a let's say it's not Philly. If there was a tanking team, a team who wanted to take which we always know there are. And they're willing to give you $60 million of contracts so that they can have an injured and recovering dame who they could then trade a year from now as an expiring deal and Philly's really got to be out on Dame or MB for this to go down. How could you not really be out on MB? Like I wonder what Nick nurse is thinking your Joel MB Paul George Tyrese maxi roster has the third pick in the fucking draft. Like that is horrible. I mean, it's great because you got the third pick but like how can you how can you not even be a play in team with that trio? Well, because they don't play. That's my point. And now you've now you got to go through four more years of $270 million over the course of that. I don't know.
I think if you asked 1000 Sixers fans, it comes out the majority would say sounds great. Well, to back to my Yanis trade, I think I'm 7525 as in the 25% off that you can get at Happy Place hemp calm promo code bar when you use my code not that one. This one. Now that one I think works to Happy Place hemp calm the promo code is bar 25% off each and every order. We're talking the delta eights and the delta nines and the gummies, the ones to help you sleep. The ones to help you be more chill. The ones to help you have a nice time. You know these seltzer drinks in the summer you pop on over at noon.
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I think my nipple placement has changed. So I'm really trying to do that at the top of the podcast. I got left that in for the for the real die hards. Oh, I could show you if you'd like to probably okay.
The real real die hards at the end after Paul and I go leave that in for them. Yeah, take my shirt off and open a pack of cards with my nipples. You got to tack it on. You know, take tack it on. Okay, I do want to ask you guys about Jair, which I'm sure grant is right up your local sports having to do that six hours a day Ali.
I want to start with this. We saw that, you know, we exchange messages about some of the NBA coverage as we often do and just the way that it's covered differently from the NFL bark that's when your go to topic is a great one. Adam silver. We're gonna play the old truth serum games. Adam silver truth serum up is really fucking pissed about an Oklahoma City Indiana championship. Well, I'm gonna say because he sucks, but it should be like, I don't think it should be it should be good, but the fine for whatever fucking reason. It's always like it's never about it's never about what the score was or how the game went. It's about who's the face of the league and what were the ratings ratings the first two week I remember first two weeks of the NBA this year ratings were down 2% ratings are down ratings are down and there's certain outlets that they see an NBA ratings down story and they think it means that their ideals have won 2% down that's a mandate and then after the first month NBA ratings are up 3% crickets so the Eastern Conference finals is up the Western Conference finals is down what does any of this mean nothing people don't even know it's like ratings are up ratings are down how many million are watching what like we just say up down up down remember Empire there's a song up down up down down I didn't watch Empire I did until it got shitty was that the black Nashville that's how someone described it to me once I don't mean that in any sort of way but it was like Nashville but with pop music and yeah they ran a record company so the ratings for this NBA finals will be down Oklahoma City Indiana they will be down yes they'll be down worse since COVID bubble they'll say and it's gonna end up probably being a good series and even though I don't like Indiana I paid the pennants this week for accepting like every every goalpost that I moved for them they have then met yeah they they can only beat injured teams that got shattered a long time ago they can't sustain this well no actually they're built to sustain it apparently Iris Halliburton sucks he absolutely does not suck yeah I can't I can't I can't I think last night I said for me to continue to act the way I've been acting and thought that I was right about the Pacers they've proved me wrong so much that it's a level of petty that I can't even act and I can't even like try to make you believe this this this team is what they are so I'm eager to see if this can work against the best team in the league so are the Pacers good because well the Bucks you know had their problems Cavs you know maybe they're not ready Knicks okay there's some things that were Brunson and towns can you play them together Tibbs what you're doing Thunder are gonna present none of that the Thunder are gonna present that they're gonna be they're gonna be a great litmus test for the Indiana Pacers the series is gonna be good and furthermore guess what if you don't like this series you're not gonna like it again next year whoa or maybe the year after that I'm not saying we've got Warriors Cavs part do DEUX but what I am saying is if you look at the West so Oklahoma City still has all these picks they're getting that Nikola Topich kid back yeah who was like a top guy but then drops I was like I will take him because we can and then in the East who who's beating this next year somebody the Knicks the Cavs will the Bucks the Sixers the Celtics the magic they heat the Bulls somebody will the Embiid Giannis led Bucks this is going to be the start of the next era of basketball I'm sorry folks the face of the league may very well be from Oshkosh north that was nice not if they lose in five in the finals which I would still bet they will so your original question was Adam Silver's punching air over this matchup I will answer that rather succinctly if he is a little smart he shouldn't be because they just signed the new rights deal Paul you're a much smarter man than me I don't want to speak for Bart much smarter than me why do ratings matter for the NBA in what context in what conversations do the ratings actually matter for the end just on the pop culture discourse which advertising which is a product of wait but wait whose problem is advertising whose whose problem is advertising whose job is the networks the networks the networks just bought in what is it 11 how many years for 70 something billion 76 you're saying the sales already been made yes so Adam Silver shouldn't have to worry about that he's already done his job he's gotten the rights deal for the for the here now yes and now he should be looking it doesn't matter at all it will matter more when the time comes when they need to get a new rights deal but in the here and now this is as comfortable as the NBA could ever be to take a ratings drop because they just got the meteorite steel the money still coming in so if Adam Silver can recognize that and realize this isn't gonna be one of our higher watched finals but but the effect of all of basketball's fandom seeing Shay seeing Halliburton seeing Indiana seeing Oklahoma City how that could stick with them next year or into the future when oh you know Hal Burton's in the finals or Shay's in the finals they've been in the finals before so because we're such simple minded creatures I will take it seriously and I will watch you know same with Cavs warriors the heat and the Spurs like oh I know that team they were here last year so it feel it feels like the finals because they were all finals that we'd seen before so no the ratings don't be great but I think if there was ever a time for the NBA to like not obsess over ratings it's right now you just signed a new rights deal so it's the network's issue they're gonna have to figure it out and they're too you know preoccupied with oh we got John Tesh and round ball right like this is a perfect time to take a rating step and the AI voice of a dead guy yeah that too Grant have you is this the debut of this take or have you used this elsewhere I have not used this elsewhere my audience does not like when I talk NBA they've made that abundantly clear the last couple weeks awesome guy Instagram me he goes all you do is talk basketball get back to sports by the way Bart you will sometimes say to Grant or I and as we're talking you'll say I'm stealing that you should you should license this take from Grant because if his audience doesn't like it Grant that's a brilliant take because well we we said it in the context last week of the NBA having seven different champions in the past seven seasons of my comparison was when WWE quote-unquote couldn't build new stars ten years ago oh yeah I'll do the same bit I'll do the same like but like like like kind of that point though like WWE going into like their Netflix deal had to be had to be the at their best yeah dog shit because you had to write you bet be on their best behavior put the best product out because you needed that Netflix deal to go through and you didn't need anything messing that up now that they have the Netflix deal the product has gone down down so much yeah there's still good things about it I don't know though are there I don't know you you watch it more than I do with WWE like the Rollins faction it's fine Bronson Reed and him fought all last summer now they're apparently friends yeah I wonder who pitched Bronson to be the the last guy did you see clips of the anarchy in the arena I read how it went down I didn't see any clips it's so fun I don't know how any like wrestling fan could watch the full 30 whatever minutes of that and not be like that was just fun it's just fun it's great no I know there's a lot I mean I'm I'm not I'm not adverse to you I'm not where I was a while ago mm-hmm if I was a ew though that would be the kind of thing that I would just send to lapsed a ew fans like yourself part here here's a free file for this 30 to 40 minute match come back if you like it come back and give us and I would reply I'll watch this when you take the belt off Moxley well then you're gonna be watching starting in a month and a half because he won't be the champion in six weeks who's taking it page hangman oh he just beat osprey osprey yeah but the point is now page page and build around him he's your company hangman yeah absolutely and that's what they did that's what that was the right move I love osprey I was MJF up to oh he's in a great great I mean seriously and I don't say to say this as an ew fan but like his angle with the hurt business yeah it's one of the best things on the program right now is his ongoing stuff with lashley and Shelton Benjamin and MVP it's really really good stuff universal like universal praise but is there any like because when he was like teaming up with Jericho it's like okay they're gonna turn eventually this is you know I don't know who's gonna turn on who though like I don't have a read yet on if MJF is gonna be in this for like two years or whatever happened to Wardlow I don't know what happened to work and I see Santana's in NXT now I heard as part of your collar fold that get mentioned because Carlos said I was like I didn't have a fifth one I panicked wait what oh a fifth collar fold yeah yeah because now trick Williams grant beat Joe Hendry who my kid loves he loves Henry has in the song okay I'll leave you on I'll leave you on my kid story and then I will I bought him the football helmets oh I bought him the basketball pennants so I got him the MLB helmets and now he's got all 30 helmets lined up in the living room wow and every day we look at the complete MLB standings and I read it to him who's in what place and he switches the helmets accordingly and there's like a bunch of teams that are 28 and 29 and when they leap up after one win like four or five spots it is pandemonium at the fucking Winkler house man it is it is such a treat so if you're oh the Brewers tied it up by helmets yeah by helmet let me ask you one last one then we can go for real I just saw a tweet as I quick scrolled and it was talking about Brooke Lopez's free agency oh let's show him I'll buy him the plane ticket no here's my question if you saw a post and it said Brooke Lopez has resigned with the Bucks your reaction would be to scream into a pillow mm-hmm or mm-hmm no I would call up the season ticket office I would buy the most extravagant package and then right at the end they'd say are you sure you want to complete your order mr Winkler I'd say abs are fucking lutely not I'm paying this much money to watch Brooke Lopez mope around the court I'll say shove it up your pie hole mister Grant how do you feel about it masterful gambit mr Winkler I like Brooke but I mean you want you would be fine if he was back I'm so done sure yeah can't be plans one two and three but he can he can be a part of it he's somewhere in the alphabet I would I would I would protest Pfizer forum with a sign that said more like Brooke no Pez so bad it's good more like Brooke we'll talk Jair another time oh yeah I'm glad he didn't I don't give two shits about that that's odd it's kind of significant huh Packers approached him with a restructure that's not nothing I just felt like that was always inevitable but it hadn't happened yet hmm they absolutely tried to trade him they tried hard any part you're gonna be talking Stefan Diggs at the national show mm-hmm or you should be is this Cardi B related and cocaine on a boat related exactly I'm a Haley Bieber stand through and through over Selena Gomez with all due respect to her and Benny Blanco I just Haley's always been more my bet what Haley come on my pop culture is I'm so like who's Barbie blue bad baby is that her name no the chick that like Oh Bonnie blue yeah she she was with a lot of men in one day yeah and generally speaking oh good the bruiser headed extras again that's excellent Oh balls deep in it well sorry no I can skip to the tenth all right I have to go all right me too no I can't I mean I actually have to go is and I need to go take a number two but all right Wednesday nights aren't for Brewers Wednesday nights are reserved a dub good for you guys I'm happy you have that thank you both see ya
