Welcome into the Winklerverse. I'm Bart Winkler along with banged up Ryan Horvat today. Yeah.
Oh my guy. How you doing? Not good.
Other than the arm, pretty good. On vacation this week, kind of came back home. I'm in Illinois for Easter. My wife, for some reason, really wanted to get home for Easter.
I mean, she wanted to see her grandma, but I was joking because she's Serbian. Usually, like our Easters, I feel like are further apart, but Easter, I don't know, Easter's weird this year for whatever reason, man. I think our Easters are only a couple days apart, so she wanted to come home. Back in Illinois, messed up my shoulder, but other than that, doing pretty good.
Looking forward to the draft and WrestleMania. I still don't understand why Easter changes all the time. It's been explained to me, but I don't get it. Me either. I always forget, too, that it's not just on the same day every year.
Yeah, I don't really understand it. Usually, I feel like we don't even do anything for Easter, man. I know my in-laws usually come up because Nathan's on spring break, but now he just stays home alone because he's 11 years old and we live in an apartment.
We know all the neighbors and Matt is right down the street, so they don't come up for it anymore. I don't even think we've celebrated the last four or five years. Now, all of a sudden, we're bringing Easter back.
I'm all for it, though. It's a trip back home. I'm going to have some portillos. Tonight, I'm going to Samino's Pizza.
There's a free plug if you're in Joliet, Illinois. First pitcher of beer on me. I'm going to hang out with some of my friends for the first time in a long time. I don't even think there's any good sports time. Is there even a playing game tonight? I should probably know this since we do sports. No.
No, and I have to know this because my kid, to go to bed, we don't read books anymore. We just turn on a game. Yeah. So, the Brewers aren't on tonight.
I think you should be watching Royals Tigers on FS1 or Angels Rangers on MLB Network. Good excuse just to get hammered, I guess, tonight because I won't have to remember anything in the morning. Yeah, nothing's relevant. We are brought to you by Happy Place. Hem promo code is Bart, 25% off each and every order. The gummies and tinctures and the big explosion in the market, the seltzers, which I am a fan of because, you know, most of my life I've ingested things in a drinking form. Right. So, this is why I like those as well. So, you can get all this different stuff and the promo code's good every single time you use it, 25% off.
Even if you've been using it for two years, it still works and it's still good and a good reminder with 420 coming up, you might want to stock up on your Happy Place hemp while you can, 25% off. We just both watched Aaron Rodgers talk. Grant was telling me this, in politics sometimes you don't change, but everything around you changes so you feel like you're on a different part of the spectrum than you were because everybody else moved. With Rodgers, I feel like, you know, I've been saying all this stuff about him, but now everyone's more demanding of him. Everyone's saying he's holding these teams hostages. He's a free agent.
He's not holding anyone hostage. It's clear that he is going to take some time off to enjoy time off. He told McAfee he's got things going on.
Either way, the roadmap leads the same to what I've been thinking. He's going to sign with the Steelers in the summertime. Nothing that he said this week changed that for me. The same way he gets mad that he wants an apology for 2020, I want an apology for not being asked more questions about how I know what's going on here.
Yeah, I feel that. I'm actually wearing an Aaron Rodgers t-shirt, which I didn't plan. I didn't even know that he was talking today on Pat McAfee, but there's like three shirts right now that I could get on and off my head.
This just happens to be one of them because it stretches. I texted you the same thing. I said I can't believe I just watched that for like 40 minutes. I also can't believe that he just gets to get away with saying shit multiple times on ESPN at noon central time. It bothers me. He does call things bullshit too much. That bothers me, but also the fact that he can say shit. I can't accidentally say shit or I get in big shit. Exactly. They can just say shit and fuck and it's cool. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. I don't know. I know a lot of people hate McAfee.
I like McAfee. I do like the show. I don't really watch it though, to be honest with you, just because I don't have time to watch anybody else's show when you have to do fucking 20 hours of content yourself. It's hard to watch anybody show like I listen to your show the most because it's on when I'm driving home and I got a one hour commute. So I put you on or I listen to something on the way to work, but I can't believe that I just wasted an hour of my time because I knew one on a random Wednesday or whatever it is Thursday today. I'm on vacation, dammit, that he wasn't going to just say, hey, I'm playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers this year.
And again, yeah, like, you know, we're all around the same age, so he's probably not bullshitting, telling the truth. He's got some stuff going on off the field that he's got to take care of. Also, I don't care what he says, the NFL draft is coming up this week, right? So wait and see maybe what Pittsburgh does if they draft Chador Sanders or they draft Jackson Dart or one of these guys.
Do you really want to go back into a situation like that where you're answering questions? Like, he wants to go somewhere, be the guy and try to win one more Super Bowl and ride off into the sunset. So I think that there's one realistic team right now, right? And it is the Pittsburgh Steelers. It's sure as shit not the Saints. So I think that that's what's going down, man.
They probably he went there, said, hey, I'm going through some stuff off the field. Me and Mia, whoever the hell Mia is. That's a new character in season 20 of this show.
Mia now all of a sudden. But he also he said he's in a serious relationship. Well, he called her my sister.
I don't know if it's with me. Jim Boyle, like, I don't know, maybe Mia and the guy that he kept talking about or like. Husband wife, maybe they're I don't know, who knows with Rogers, Rogers, Rogers. He talks like how my grandma talks. It was like when he said is it's like when he said his folks were in town and we're like, oh, Rogers is talking with his family again. And it was just like he's just like his buddies. You know, when you talk to your grandma, she's like, how you doing, grandma?
And she goes, oh, good. Sandy came over and we talked and Charles Charles couldn't make it. And I'm like, grandma, you have never told me who Sandy or Charles are in your life.
Yeah, there is no context in this particular story. Yeah, I don't know these people, but honestly, like and I get why people do hate Rogers. Like, I totally get it. But I love them because one, because he was the quarterback for my favorite team for two decades. And the last Super Bowl that I got to witness and enjoy with with my family, with my with my folks was watching him hoist the Lombardi. And I know there was some some heartbreaking losses, but there was also some fucking awesome seasons and him like running into the bear stands and telling the fans that he owned them like that stuff was cool to me. And the guy's a hard ass.
He's played like with a broken leg and through a try to play through a broken collarbone. So I just I think he's a badass. And I like these interviews because he's so out there and so weird that I just watch it.
And it makes me laugh because what he's doing is just like fucking with all the guys that I would fuck with to the Schefter's, the Rapoport's, all these little nerds. Rogers is just shoving them in lockers and he's out here talking about Mia and he's talking about the pyramids. He's like, you know, just all over the place. You can tell he's totally in the hitter box because he's like just talking circles around Pat.
Who knows what he's even talking about, man? And he gave us nothing. But yet I was entertained for like 40 minutes because he's out there. He shit on the Jets and the Jets are a mess. The Jets thing was interesting.
I appreciate it. He totally buried Aaron Gwen already. So that's why I watch sports to be entertained, right? And to me, Rogers is like entertainment. He's not a robot. I don't care about J.J. Watt, what he's eating for breakfast, what he's lifting before CBS Today.
I don't care about any of that stuff. I'm more intrigued by Rogers, high as shit, out on the beach watching dolphins have sex or whatever he was up to today with his new dog. That's what people are, because he said, I see dolphins very serendipitous. People are thinking he's telling us he's going to play for the dolphins. I think that he's going to be a Pittsburgh Steelers.
Are you around this, man? I was listening to you talk about this on your show and I've said the same thing too. Why is he going to commit right now? Because again, and Pat said it, he was at like 95% of the OTAs. He missed like a week at 40 years old and everybody's like Rogers isn't committed to the team. I've got to be honest though, if I'm in that locker room, if I'm DK Metcalf or George Pickens, at the end of the day, I want Aaron Rogers throwing me the ball even at 41, more than I do Mason Rudolph. Even with like one week of practice.
Right. He can show up on game day. Like Rodman used to do, go to Vegas and then just show up and grab 30 rebounds. Rogers can show up high on ayahuasca. And I'm not saying he'll be a top 15 quarterback, but he's definitely better than Mason Rudolph on his best day.
But I can also see like dudes in that locker room, especially on the defensive side of the ball, the TJ Watts, like, fuck this guy. Like, no, we're trying to win. And, you know, so we'll see. But I think he ends up being a Steeler.
I just think it's late July, early August, probably like you've been saying. And yeah, cause that's the other thing, dude. He's 41. He could wake up one day and just be like, no, because they want to get to work.
Right. Rogers. Does he want to get to work? Does he want to get his ass in the playbook right now?
No, no, but I mean, let's be honest. Like if you're a Steelers fan, you want them to say today's the quarterback. You do want them to show up and learn the playbook, but at the end of the day, it's Aaron Rogers. So he's going to do it his way.
They're going nine and eight regardless, no matter who their quarterback is, no matter what happens. Yeah. Yeah.
It makes me laugh at the end of the day, dude. I, I, we got our own worries. Like who the fuck is the Packers wide receiver number one in, in like, are they really going to take another tackle in this draft? Like Sparky wants them to, I was on Sparky show a couple of weeks ago and I said that they got to go corner and he was all mad at me. He's like, they always go corner. And I'm like, yeah, you know why?
Cause they can't find a fucking good one, dude. So, uh, I, yeah, I don't, I think Rogers is a Steeler. And honestly, I think there'll be good if he is a Steeler, I really do.
As long as like the defense shows up. I mean, I like the Pickens move. Um, I actually kind of like moving on from Najee Harris. We'll see what they do in the draft, but yeah, I can't believe I wasted my time watching that shit.
I knew he was not giving us anything today. I have breaking box news. Uh, Amy and Lillard has been cleared for full basketball activity. I'm on this. So I've been on this. I know I was a little worried.
I'm not like obviously name or an insider. I have no inside information, but I was like, the way they're talking, it sounds like Dame's going to come back for the playoffs. And so I bet the box plus one 85 and everybody's like, Oh, idiot, you didn't see what the Pacers did to him last year.
And I'm like, yeah, like here's the thing. Giannis has been dead in the playoffs really since the finals run. His usage is insane. So he's either burned out or he's not healthy. And I'm not saying he's not burned out this year, but, um, I'm going to take the box even with just a 98% healthy Giannis over the Pacers who play absolutely no defense and everybody on the network disagreed. So I feel really good about that, that, but then the next, the next day, Dame got ruled out and I was like, fuck.
And then I saw today that he's progressing pretty well. So game one is definitely out of the question, I believe is what I saw, but then maybe you can come back after that. Yeah. I mean, the bucks aren't going to make, I don't think they could beat the Celtics in a seven game series. I don't think they can beat the Cavs.
I do. I don't think they will, but I do think that they could, maybe I'm being hard on myself. Maybe because I've been so optimistic in the past. I just don't want to get hurt. I think doc rivers really sucks.
I think that's the issue. I liked when doc was like, people always make fun of me for blowing three, one leads, but they never give me credit for getting three wins. I mean, yeah, like that was a funny comment. I'm just like, he sucks. Then again, though, like what coach is good? Because I thought Taylor Jenkins is good.
And now, you know, he's working at the dollar tree. We all thought Monty Williams was good. You know, he got fired. Nobody for some reason thought Bud was good, even when he was taking guys like Kyle Korver and putting them into all star games and winning championships. It's like, he's clearly not good anymore. Who is a good coach? The best coach is Brad Stevens and he doesn't coach.
Spoelstra is good in playing games. Yeah. Cause he plays the bulls here.
Okay. You know what? And I'm back home and I turned on Chicago radio and like, this is so what's wrong.
Even though they finished with the same record, they finished the last three years. Yeah. This is what I loved about being in Milwaukee, man. Right? Like the, like Brewers lose game seven in the NLCS and nobody was like, Hey, we're just happy to be there. Everybody was like pissed and upset. Right? Like here. It's like, well, they did beat the Lakers twice and they didn't make the plan. They were fun. Like what about that is fun.
You're the number three market in the world. And we just watched the guy looks like Sean Hunter from boy meets world takes 21 shots in the playoff game. Josh Getty was nine of 21.
He was the go-to guy, him and Kobe white. Now they're going to give him 50 million a year fun. You know, it's fun winning 10 games and getting Cooper flag. That's fun. Yeah. Sorry for balls fans. We did do about an hour on the balls last night. That was unexpected. Wow.
But that was, that was fun. Um, just a quick draft note. Uh, the bets that I would make, I keep, I keep seeing quarterbacks over under two and a half.
I'm trying to find over three and a half. Cause I like four quarterbacks to go. I like a trade in and then I'm going to put, uh, I'm trying to save up on cash right now.
Cause I'm worried about the, so I'm, but I am going to put $10 on. Uh, should do her Sanders to go three. So I mean, uh, plus four 75. Yeah. Yeah.
I bet that too. So three weeks ago on the show, Travis Hunter was plus six 50 to go number two overall to Cleveland. And, uh, they had Abdul Carter is the favorite. And I was like, they just resigned miles Garrett and yeah, like it's cool to have two awesome edge rushers I get, but Cleveland's been looking for a wide receiver forever. And Travis Hunter is like this dude that everybody at least did like, I know people are like mad because he just wants to be considered a football player, not a receiver defensive back. But I think he's a good dude. Just wants to play football and fish.
Right. So I was like, the Browns need some good publicity because the Sean Watson stuff is a mess. They need their wide receiver.
They could also use a corner to play on third downs, you know, so whatever he is, I think they're going to go Travis Hunter and I bet it plus six 50. Now he's like minus 500 minus 600. So it's hard to say like, that's my favorite bet, but Hey, assholes, listen to my fucking show. And then you could have got that one. Right. Um, we got to get through a lot of yelling though, but then should door Sanders number three overall. I'm totally with you, dude.
Right. Because like the giants are they going to, why would you take Abdul Carter? They were already top seven getting after the pastor last year. I feel like Russell Wilson and that doesn't matter.
He's not going to be longterm giant. Plus some people say, well, what if the giants are bad and they just end up in that position again next year? Well, then you take Josh Rosen and then the next year you take Kyler Murray, like if she doesn't work, then you take arch Manning or whoever.
Like it's, it's okay. But when you're in this spot, top five and there's a quarterback and you need a quarterback. I think you take a quarterback.
It should do her the greatest quarterback to ever come out of college. No, but I think there's a lot of his game that you can't like teach. I think there's a lot in there that you're going to, okay, you got to teach some stuff, but even like Rogers came out of college, throwing like this, throwing like a Notre Dame. Yeah. I would, I think I got to go, I got to go, I got to do that tonight. I got to get down there.
I got to get back. I think like, honestly, that should be your big cake tonight. Like, I feel like everybody is like shitting on the kid.
I haven't really heard anybody as the shadow or Sanders apologists or like make the case for them. And I think you should, I'm off the rest of the week. No one listens to my show and I don't get invited. Well, you, you, you and me have the same issue, right? Like we're, we got, God bless.
We love our jobs, but like you, you want to be out at like 3 PM like noon too, when everybody's actually, you know, like listening to sports talk. I just want, I just want admiration from people that I don't admire. Yeah. I just, I want everything to be honest with you, but I really just want to be like what Nick like with his shitty takes, like, you know, and not all of his takes are shitty. I do think Nick Wright's really talented. I just like LeBron is the number one player of all time. And Kareem number two is like, makes me want to put a head through.
Not even cause I'm a Chicago guy. Jordan is number one. Like if Jordan isn't on your, like, I don't even want to get into that, but, uh, I just want to get to the takes first. And it's so easy just to be here.
Here's the shadow or stuff that I hate, but so I'm with you. I think he goes to the giants because yeah, Russ Wilson's a one year, if even option, and he's going to drive everybody in that locker room. So nuts, right? Unless he gets like free Sierra tickets and then Jamis Jamis would be the guy that I'd worry about just because his teammates are going to fall in love with them. Like his videos, man.
I love that guy, but still like neither of those, they're both in their mid thirties. So you go shadow or, and then you don't got to play him right away. And I keep hearing like the same stuff. I mean, he played behind one of the worst offensive lines in college football history at Colorado. And so he picked up some bad habits, like trying to turn like shitty plays, like, you know, and into something. And so he made like the situation worse. Like in the NFL, you could kind of survive on third and seven, third and eight, but you can't survive on third and 15, but again, he's going to be playing behind a better offensive line.
You would hope. And I keep hearing like about the Dion effect. Like Dion isn't fucking, uh, LeVar ball, dude, right? Like out there. Like Dion, Dion is a super bowl champion, pro bowl. One of the best corners of all time that also played baseball, like the constant professional, he was flashy as shit off the field.
So like that doesn't make any sense. Dion has his own job. Let's not forget. He's the coach at Colorado and who, and like maybe he is the coach in a couple of years of the giants. But I just, and that's what I don't get is it's like, oh, Dion's going to be a distraction. Dion's not going to be a train camp.
Like, you know what I mean? He's not going to have anything to do with that shit. He'll have media every week and he'll be asked about it a lot.
So it's up to him to shut that down, but like he is going to be 4,000 miles away or 1500. But, but, but whatever. I mean, I don't think that's going to be an issue.
I re I really don't. And so cam ward's going number one overall because he's got a rocket arm. And because he's like, uh, you know, a dual threat quarterback could run a four, four, four, five and run you over. Chador is no longer going number one.
Like, oh, that's what I think is crazy. All college season, we talked about Chador and Carson back that we're going to be the number one quarterbacks taken. And then all of a sudden the summer hits, everybody falls in love with cam ward because that's the new age quarterback. Everybody wants the dual threat guy. Everybody wants Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen. Nobody wants Joe burrow anymore unless he is Joe burrow.
And that's what I just think is crazy about Chador. He doesn't have like the arm strength. He doesn't throw the best ball, but the intermediate stuff like he could be, I'm not saying he is Tom Brady, but like that's what guys wanted.
That's what these GMs wanted years ago. You didn't want the running quarterback. You wanted the pocket passer.
That's what Chador is. It just shows you how much the NFL has changed. So I still think he could be really good if I'm a giants fan, you know, like I heard Costas with this take last year and I completely agreed.
He's a giants fan. He's like, I don't want Malik neighbors. I want Michael Pennix or JJ McCarthy. And some people would like laugh at that because it's not Trevor Lawrence or, you know, like one of these big name quarterbacks when they're coming out. But yeah, I would rather have like the unknown of what JJ McCarthy or Michael Pennix could be.
Then here's Malik neighbors. He's going to catch up, catch 106 balls. But by week 15, Tommy DeVito is going to be thrown on the football on a four win team like quarterbacks, the most important position. So I would rather take a shot with Chador than draft Abdul Carter. Abdul Carter is going to be awesome. But Kayvon Timitos is really good.
And so is Brian Burns. Are you trading one of those guys? How many edge rushers could you get on the field?
So I'm with you. Plus 475. I like that one. And then the other one I really like, I like the Bills plus 150 to draft the defensive linemen. They could, of course, go corner, but they got to get some pass rushers unless they're really going to rely on Joey Bosa to stay healthy for an entire season. Every year, they lose in the playoffs because they're chasing down Pat Mahomes. They're chasing down Joe Burrow. Like the Eagles won that Super Bowl because they sacked Mahomes 100 times.
So I could see the Bills going edge rusher. That's plus 150 still, I think. You keep getting your steps in, but you're not going anywhere. What are you doing? When I walk? Yeah.
So on top of my whole shoulder thing, my lower back is all flared up. So I got to get up and move around a little bit. Plus I ordered some food, so I keep going and checking out for the DoorDash guys. Oh, nice. What did you get? I got Portillos.
I can't drive, though. Sucks. Alright, I got the WrestleMania card. Yeah. So I'm going to look at night one. The ones I want to talk to you for more than 10 seconds about are Jey Uso Guenther and then the triple threat.
Yeah. But let's just get picks on the other ones. Unless you want to break down War Raiders versus New Day. No, I think War Raiders win because I think Big E gets involved.
That's what they should do. Because otherwise it's just a weird part of the story that doesn't exist. I don't even get why these teams are fighting. Like, do they even have beef? That's for the belt.
Yeah, I know that. I was going to take New Day unless there's a Big E angle, then yeah. But then is Big E going to wrestle ever? I don't know. I don't know. It would be a pleasant surprise, wouldn't it? If he was able to come back from this neck injury.
But I don't know. They had that kill Tony stuff that everybody loves and he was ripping his neck. Did you see that? Yeah. So I feel like maybe he got cleared, dude.
Right? But if that's a feel good moment, like the most predictable moment of the night is going to be when El Grande Americano gets unmasked to be Chad Gable. I'm kind of messing.
I kind of like that a little bit. I know everybody here. You're going to look back in 10 years at this card and be like, who was El Grande Americano? Oh yeah, Gable.
That one stupid thing he did. I got Ray from that one. Oh, you're going Ray Mysterio? You think angle wins or angle Gable? I do.
I think El American Grande or whatever his name is. I hope he does. I wish he had a bigger match. I love Chad Gable.
This is bullshit. They have they were like build them up and then remember they had like the Wyatt family kill him. Like they show the scene and he's dead. And then he's then he's losing to those guys who we haven't seen in like six months. And now he's dressed up as a luchador.
It's like the blue blazer all over. This is Ray having a feel good moment written all over it. I feel like Ray's won at WrestleMania every year since 2012 or something.
I saw though. He even beat Dom. I usually skip his matches. I don't really like Ray. What? Not into him. Wow.
I actually kind of I'm feeling this one a little bit, but I'll pick El American Grande or whatever Gable. One time at a Raw in Green Bay, they had him wrestle three times in one night and I'm like, all right, I've had enough of this. Yeah, that's a little much. Was it like the tournament or something? Was it a tournament?
Why was he doing that? Yeah, they did a tournament. It was after Punk left and then they did a tournament and we all thought Punk was coming. Oh, and then is that when Cena fights him? And beat them at the end and then Punk did come out, I thought.
Not that they don't waste it on Green Bay. Oh, yeah. Jade Cargill versus Naomi. Jade. Yeah, you got to think Jade wins that.
Good build, good match. Yeah. I think it's the first women's singles match ever without a belt at WrestleMania. I think so, too. I think they're both hot, too, so I'll watch. L.A. Knight versus Jacob Fatu.
I think they have to give it to Fatu. Yeah, yeah, I think so, too. Did you know L.A. Knight is like 42 years old?
Yeah. I did not realize that, man. He's been around for a long time. So my kid, Nathan, loves L.A. Knight.
In fact, he's got the L.A. Knight glasses and he wore them last week. That kid kind of likes Jacob Fatu. Who does? My kid, his favorite is Jay.
Oh, yeah. Nate loves Jay, too, and he loves Jacob Fatu. Everybody loves Jacob Fatu.
You got to have him go over here. I think he gets his first belt. Tiffy Time versus Charlotte. I think Tiffy Time wins. If Vince was in charge, Charlotte is winning this match.
Yeah. I don't think he could have her. I mean, she won the Rumble, though.
Are they going to waste it? No, I think they go with Tiffy. You need Tiffy to have a big beating Charlotte moment to elevate her. Yeah, I think so, too, especially the way that Charlotte buried her. I do like that they don't like each other, though.
All right. So our kids love Jay Uso during the Royal Rumble. He's rooting for Jay, and I kept telling him, buddy, Jay is not winning this. Yeah, and he did. And now I feel like I have to talk him down because what they should do.
I mean, there's what they I could I could see arguments for both what they should do. Jay, you know, has been in this moment. So you get but against Gunther. Gunther can't just be out there losing to Jay with all due respect. Yeah, I almost feel like Gunther needs to kick the shit out of him.
Yeah. Yeah, I got a I got a Gunther t shirt. I'm a big Gunther fan.
I think he's probably top three for me right now. I would love to see him just squash him, like murder him like they build them up. He wins the Rumble, right? They're doing the whole thing where he had the botched move and they try to turn it into a storyline, which was genius. When you think about it, he's he's trying to lose. He's like he's never getting a main event shot again.
It's over. Yeah, I just feel like, man, like he should have won the Intercontinental Championship or something like that. But he's in with the kids and the fans, man, and selling merch like crazy. But he should have beat Roman, even though that seems more illogical. That's what he should have.
Exactly, though. But not I'm with you, not Gunther. I hate that Gunther lost to Sami Zayn.
I think that's dumb. I think they should just have this guy like never lose. Where is Sami Zayn, by the way? I don't think he has a he doesn't have a match.
He hasn't been on the show in months. I bet you he's probably like secretly living shit out of each other in that match. I feel like, though, like remember when Rusev, they built him up and he came out in WrestleMania and he was on that tank, dude. And he was undefeated and he was the U.S. champ. And then they had him lose to Cena. And it's like, well, now what, though? Right. It was almost like when Goldberg lost to Kevin Nash.
It was cool. But like then where do you go with Goldberg? Because now he's beatable. That's why I never like that was the issue with like Bray Wyatt when he was the fiend or even Finn Balor when he's the demon, because you can't beat those kind of guys.
And so that's where I'm at with like Gunther is if he loses, where do you go with him? Because they did that thing after he lost to Sami Zayn where he lost his confidence. And that was so dumb.
I don't want to see that. I want to see him like just like kicking the shit out of guys saying really mean stuff to guys, calling guys like Damian Priest street trash, beating the shit out of the idiot Uso brother that keeps getting DUIs right in front of main event. Gunther can say the thing that like, if Cena were to say it, burying this guy, but if Gunther says it, it's like, Oh, yeah, yeah, history trash.
Yeah, exactly. But so but I think he loses, dude. I think that they have to have main event Jay when they had him win the rumble. And also he they keep bringing up. He's like, oh, and for against Gunther too. So what are you gonna have him go?
Oh, and five. So I think he's going to beat him. And then I'm worried like we're because he said, Where do you go with Jay? I feel like you could always have the underdog story. Like even if Cody would have lost to Roman the second time, we all would have been there the next year. And the year after that, they do this in New Japan pro wrestling all the time. You cheer for the same guy for like five, six years. It's like sports. It took the Celtics like eight years to get a championship.
Jason Tatum was 18, like six straight years. But I feel like Gunther has more to lose if he loses because then he just looks like a big puss. That's why almost what they should have did dude is had this like as a triple threat match.
Right. And it should have been like Gunther, Jimmy and Jay or something like that, or Jimmy carrying cross and because then you have somebody else get pinned. And then you can have it like Gunther never lost the title goes crazy on management, they suspend them, come back, build them back up.
But having them get pinned by Uso, I think is dumb. But I do think it happens, don't you? Um, God, if I had to bet on it, this is a hard one. This is as 50-50 as it gets. I guess my pick would be Gunther.
Really? Unless it's, well, I was going to say unless it starts the show, but I can see logic for every way I can see logic for either. I do think it starts the show because the main event is going to be the triple threat. Are you going to start with a great moment or are you going to start with Gunther and get the Jay, people mad about Jay out of the way? Well, I don't think a lot of people are going to like the ending of the triple threat either.
Well, I'm not making a Gunther and Jay Uso prediction. But I'm going to prepare my kid for a loss. Yeah, that might be all right. Yeah. Then it's like looks like we should start doing with the Packers every NFC championship game instead of thinking they're going to win. Yeah. I almost feel like dude, if we just picked against them and just shit at them all week, like against Tampa and San Francisco, they may have won those games. Definitely the Tampa one.
But anyway, that's a story for another day. So the triple threat where there's nothing on the line, but it's also very important. Yeah. Roman Reigns CM Punk Seth Rollins.
Yeah. Who is winning that? Seth Rollins.
I hope so. I think Haman's going to turn on punk and he's going to turn on Reigns and he's going to join Seth Rollins and Seth's going to go full heel. I like that Reigns has never beat Rollins. So you think Reigns does finally?
No. No, I think I think Rollins. See, it's weird because Reigns and Punk, there's a lot there. Punk and Seth, there's a lot there. Roman and Seth, there's a lot there. Roman and, you know, every like, but then all together, it's like this kind of weird.
Yeah. I mean, this triple threat would be better as them facing each other one on one in every scenario. Yeah, I mean, I agree. I think what they should have honestly did is they probably could have went like, I don't know. I think really what screwed it all up, to be honest with you, was not having Cody Rock or Roman Rock, to be honest with you, man, because Rock's got to decide if he's in or not. I mean, for him to be there at the Rumble and then he has not been around since and he'll show up at Mania because why wouldn't he?
Like, I'm going to be honest with you. I feel like I could have booked a better WrestleMania. The story should have been Gunther, this fucking badass from another country, is just rolling through everybody and Cena stays the good guy for his last run. And we get the old America like Cena versus Gunther and then it should have been Cody against the Rock against Roman, Cody against the Rock, Cody Roman last time, or Cody Drew. And they should have had Drew be the bad guy. Like Drew always gets fucked, man. And he's probably actually my favorite wrestler.
Like the CM Punk feud was great. I do think that something's going to happen with him. I think like he's going to join the Rock in them. I don't know. I don't know if something's going to happen in that Cody match.
I don't know what. Somebody's going to turn on Cody or do something. But in this one, I think Seth just goes full heel. I think you got to like turn him back into a killer and not like the guy that comes out wearing the weird stuff doing the chants.
And I think that's what happens. You put him, but he doesn't need Heyman. I think he probably pins Punk because I think Heyman, I think Heyman turns on Punk. They're not going to have Roman eat two pins, two WrestleMania's in a row. And then that keeps open. And then they'll do Seth versus Roman in a chairs match.
I guarantee you. They keep like paying homage to the chair shit. I think that's what happens, though. Seth pins Punk because Heyman turns on Punk and then Roman's all fired up, but fights Seth in a chairs match. Yeah. All right. I'll go Seth with you.
I can take a Seth. I like that. Yeah. Night two. EO Sky, Bianca and Rhea.
I'll go EO or EO Sky. Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know. She probably just wins anyway. Fine. Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez against Bailey and Lyra. I'll go Liv and the other girl.
Me too. I think AJ Styles versus Logan Paul. I mean, they're not going to let Logan Paul win, are they?
I kind of think Logan Paul wins. Something with Karrion Kross happens. Do you notice there's a thing that I saw like every time Karrion Kross is like getting in somebody's ear. He copies his hairstyle to look just like them. Yeah, I saw that too. And he's got the AJ Styles look. I like Karrion Kross. But then I don't like that they just had him lose the other day.
Did you notice he like put his hands in his back? I feel like they had him lose on purpose because he's trying to build AJ up to like have him be the killer that he wants him to be or something. So AJ probably wins this match, but I don't know. I don't think Logan can win.
I'll take AJ. Bronn versus Penta versus Finn Balor versus Dominic. Somebody between Finn or Dominic, one of those guys is going to be good after this. I think Finn's going to be the good guy. I think Dominic wins. I think he wins the belt. Yeah, because all he has to do is pin like Penta's dumb ass.
I think yeah. Yeah, I think he'll pin Finn and like they'll turn on each other. And then I think Bronn because then I think Bronn will probably be fighting for like the heavyweight.
They're going to build him up. He's not going to be the Intercontinental Champion too much longer. I think I think Dirty Dom gets his first belt.
I like that. Damien Priest versus Drew McIntyre. Fucking I can't believe Drew's got to be in this bullshit ass match.
He better win. And he's trying to like, people are like, this is a waste of Drew and Drew's trying to justify it. And he did a worthy job, but this is a shit match for Drew. It is.
He always gets screwed. One of my favorite things about wrestling is because this is called a Sin City street fight. Yeah. But wherever they're at, it's the same match.
They just call it like like the Milwaukee Mayhem fight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's always it's always something like that.
All right. And then Cody versus Cena. I don't you can't. So the question for me is when does Cena turn back to a face? Does he when he comes back firing a heel? You don't think so? They're not doing a ruthless aggression pay per view with him as a heel. I don't know. I feel like they do, man.
Because like, how do you just turn him into a good guy now? I feel like backlash is going to be in St. Louis. It's Cena Orton.
Yeah. That match has to lead the card. I think what happens, I don't think they should pin Cody, to be honest with you. Like the shows that I go to and stuff like Cody is the guy that stays after for 40 minutes and brings the fans out. Rock comes out and they screw Cody on a two count or something like you realize like in real life.
Cody is really what's best for business. And so I don't think that they should beat them, to be honest with you. But I do think that they're going to. And I think how it's going to happen is I think, like I said, I honestly think that either Seth Cossam or Drew or somebody does something. But then I think they just beat the shit out of them after. And I think Cena wins and I think Cody goes away for a little bit.
Maybe like a month or two. And then I think you do like Cena Orton. It's like the Cena go away party, Cena, Sheamus, whoever else he wants to face. I don't know how they turn him back into a good guy, though, if they beat Cody here, man, because people are going to fucking hate him. People love Cody, including me. So then Cena is just a bad guy? Maybe that's why I mean, I kind of I like it, but like, how does he come back?
If you're going to if you're going to have 20 years, his justification is 20 years of getting shit on by fans. And then you turn and say, I've had enough. It can't just be a few months later where you're like. Now, you guys were right.
I'm sorry. Well, he might do he might look at it like, hey, the rock came back, played a bad guy, and now he's playing a mob boss in a Martin Scorsese movie like eight years after playing the fucking tooth fairy. Right. So like maybe Cena's looking at this like, man, if I show my bad guy range. You know what I mean? Like, maybe I'll be in a Scorsese movie and not, you know, in the jungle and Jumanji three.
So maybe like that's one way of looking at it. You know, the rock does it. He comes back. He'll be a good guy. He'll be a bad guy. Because I feel like if anything, like probably just like five times, like the real wrestling fans are probably going to like Cena more for this. Like if he came back and fought Goon there, although I don't know, man, because I feel like people hate going there.
They'd probably like Cena. But yeah, that's that's why I'm actually intrigued to see what they do there. Like some of the card kind of sucks. I'm not going to lie.
Like nothing against like Liv Morgan. There's a lot of I think there is a lot of the card may not be the greatest card ever, but there's a lot. I don't think there's a lot like a predictability. Yeah. Which is good. Other than I do think that you're wrong on Goon there.
I got to say, I think Goon there loses. And then I'm worried he's just going to be like, man, I don't know what they'll do with them after that. But I think if you beat Cody, I think he's got to go away for like a month or two. He got to fuck about good. Triple H said something that I liked. He's like, because, you know, the Rock's out there talking about the process of, you know, the kayfabe's like ruined.
Yeah. And all these guys are like bitching about it. And Triple H is like, you've got every retired legend on a podcast talking about their behind the scenes to their greatest messages. How does that not break the kayfabe?
Just because you're retired, it's fine? Exactly. Exactly. Part of wrestling is to have these conversations where we can predict the story.
No, I completely agree. The other thing we get in wrestling now is like a lot of these guys, too, just like absolutely hate each other. Like Rollins and Punk hate each other.
Drew and Punk hate each other. Kind of like that. Yeah. They're still like. Yeah.
Then it's like kayfabe. You know, it's, you know. Yes.
Expanded. All right. Well, enjoy your Portillo's. It's good to see you. Thanks, dude.
Yeah, that part sucks. But hey, at least I got WrestleMania this weekend, right? Yeah, should be good.
Should be good. Go Bucks. Bucks in seven. Bucks in seven. Ryan Horvath, ladies and gentlemen, thanks for stopping into the Winklerverse. Thanks, man.
