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See website for details. And they were never able to gain any traction with anything. They were a pre-snap penalty waiting to happen. And whether he was calling the plays or Thomas Brown was calling the plays, although there was less of that with Thomas Brown, but only marginally. It was never going to end well and David Tepper, his at least reported demeanor over the last several weeks, just made it more obvious. Julian Council, Locked on Panthers podcast, Bleacher Report, who goes live after every game. I saw you- I saw like a long conversation with you on the news in Charlotte. You clean up well, sir.
I appreciate your time. Nobody surprised that it ended, although what's the benefit of it ending now? That's a good question. I had talked about this on my podcast, Locked on Panthers, like a week ago, and I asked the same question. What good is it going to do Bryce Young by removing Frank Reich? And now we're seeing that do Staley's been fired and Josh McCown. How is firing Frank Reich pieces offense coaching staff going to help your rookie quarterback who struggled with his development this season? I don't know what doing what this is going to do like Thomas Brown. I assume we'll find out tomorrow when Chris Tabor and David Tepper addressed the media where he's going to call the plays again. Jim Caldwell apparently is going to be taking a bigger role at the offense.
I don't understand why that wasn't already the case as is. I just I don't know how the setup now is any better than what the setup has been for the last 12 weeks, 11 games and preseason and offseason for Bryce Young because they did this for his development. I don't know how this is going to help his development in the final six weeks. By the way, Chris Tabor, according to reports, is the reason why Josh McCown and do Staley are no longer on staff. I just said a second ago, I will be stunned if any of the current coaches are on staff next year. What's your read on that? Offensive coaching staff for sure.
Do Staley. He's here because Frank Reich's guy. They go back to Philadelphia. He had moved here as well because of his ailing mother down in Columbia, South Carolina. And hey, and that is a reason to move down for this coaching job. I'm sure if that did not happen, he would have stayed up in Detroit with Dan Campbell. And had he not had an ailing mother, he would certainly be kicking himself or leaving Detroit to come down to this situation in Carolina. Like Josh McCown.
He had never been a quarterback coach at the college level, at the NFL level. And people bring up him and Drake May at Myers Park. The head coach back in Myers Park. And I talked to Mr. Muhammad about this because his son played with Drake May at Myers Park.
Ms. Sin would tell me how the head coach at Myers Park had such a big ego, he wouldn't even let Josh McCown coach Drake May. So Josh McCown didn't even coach Drake May. So I don't know how a guy who had never coached quarterbacks in high school, other than his own kids, high school, at the college level or the NFL level even ended up at this job. And need I remind you, had the Rooney Rule not been a thing, the Houston Texans would have hired him in his first opportunity as being a quarterback coach in the NFL. He gets sacked after loving games.
So that just shows you how the NFL is an insane business. But as far as the offensive coaching staff as a whole, Thomas Brown is going to be gone. James Campen, who was retained from Rule staff as the offensive line coach, his unit has regressed. It hasn't helped that they never had Brady Christensen and Austin Corbett together in the interior at guard.
But what's the excuse for Iquanu, who's regressed? Now there's questions whether he should be left guard. Same thing with Bradley Bozeman at center. He has not played at the same level as last year.
Taylor Moten, he's had a down year. I think this entire offensive coaching staff is gone and should be gone. Now, defensively, there is an argument that they could come back. Gajero Vero, I think, will get opportunities to interview for the head coaching job elsewhere. Maybe gets another opportunity here in Carolina. And he's under contract.
And unlike college, when you're under contract in the NFL, you're under contract in the NFL. David Tepper would have to let him go somewhere else. He could stay here and be teamed up with another offensive head coach in Carolina and stick around. And I do think that's probably the preferred outcome for David Tepper. But we'll see how it works out. I do think that it's a possibility that the defensive coaching staff stays. And as far as Chris Tabor goes, I don't know if he would stay on as a special teams coordinator if he's not going to end up being the head coach. I don't know what his expectations are at all. But I do think there's a path forward for Gajero Vero and the bulk of this defensive coaching staff to come back next year because of the contract situation.
All right. Julian Council locked on Panthers podcast is here. Then why wasn't he given the interim job? I don't know. That's my question.
I don't know. I really would love to know what his offensive plan was when he met with David Tepper back in January. We know from reporting that Steve Wilkes wanted Brian Johnson, who was the Eagles quarterback coach. He's now the offensive coordinator to be his OC. And once he got elevated, that was never realistic. I don't know what his backup plan would have been.
I'm curious to know what Gero Vero's offensive coaching plan would have been. And maybe David Tepper. No, obviously, David Tepper knows it. Maybe it wasn't good enough. Of course, it wasn't good enough to get the job anyways. And if you're going to hire a defensive coach, you should just hired Steve Wilkes in the first place.
Yeah. So Tepper, I mean, let's say Taber's done this before two years ago. Matt Negi, another guy who's been in over his head, is probably going to fail upwards to be the Chiefs head coach one day. When he was fired, Taber was the interim head coach. So maybe because of that experience, he's going to have Taber be the interim.
But there's also Jim Caldwell, who's been a head coach before the stomp capers. There were options. I don't know why Gero Vero was. Maybe it would be a mission that he should have hired a Gero Vero in the first place or defensive coach in the first place. Who knows? It's hard to get inside David Tepper's head because a lot of decisions he makes don't make any sense at all. No.
And again, I personally I don't think this benefits. I mean, I've been I've been saying for weeks that I had already come to the realization personally that when this franchise becomes what David Tepper wants, that Frank Reich won't be the head coach. He was not the guy to get them there.
I thought he had proven that based on decision making, based on having no clear plan, zero identity, the inability to recognize that we can't do this or we need to do that early on, said to me that he just won't be the guy. He's not necessarily a bad head coach, although I think he did a bad job with this. But I would not have I would not have fired him now. I would have simply waited to the end of the season because it just makes it that much more difficult to attract a head coach when you have now, as it turns out, three times fired your head coach midstream. Julian Council is joining us here on the Adam Gold show. I think this is about personnel more than anything else. And I'm still confused as to why Scott Fitterer is still the general manager, although that might be a short lived tenure, as it turns out. How far away?
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Chumba casino.com. On the right thing, it's not just the lack of development for Bryce Young. Look at the lack of discipline. They lead the league in procedural penalties. You look at the game management from Sunday's game where it's third into the Titans have no timeouts. You have two timeouts. There's 38 seconds left. You run the ball in that situation and you don't pick up the first down, then you let the clock run out and go to halftime. Instead, they throw the ball in Tennessee, moves ball down the field and gets a field goal before half.
Like that's just elementary stuff that he couldn't figure out. So it's not just the the fact the offense is putrid. It's just the lack of discipline defensively, the procedural penalties and game management. But as far as what needs to happen on the offense, if you want to be back next year, I would imagine he's had a good season. Yeah, they need to get. I haven't seen a lot out of Mingo.
That's impressed me at all. I know yesterday statistically is one of his best performances, but there were times where he didn't help his quarterback and he hasn't helped his quarterback. He's had drops this season, but they're going to get probably two more receivers. I don't think Marshall's back should all shouldn't be back anyways.
Sharks obviously not going to be back. They need at least two new starting receivers and more than that, just for depth purposes. The offensive line's tricky. Icky's on his rookie contract. Brady Christensen will be on his last year was rookie deal. Bozeman, the outness contract is after twenty twenty four.
But it's only like three million dollars of dead money that they would have to deal with. They can make it happen and they probably need to draft a center. They haven't done that since Ryan Khalil and they've tried Matt Paradis. They've now tried Bradley Bozeman. They tried Pat Elflein trying to get a free agent center. It's not worked out for this organization the last couple of seasons to probably time to draft a guy.
And that would be something you think at at thirty three. But there's another another position they need to try to figure out. Taylor Moten and Austin Corbett, they've had their deals restructured to where the cap implications. It's twenty four million dollars of dead money if they go out there and they cut Taylor Moten this offseason.
So that's just a nonstarter. And those are your two best offensive linemen tight in Hayden. Hurst will be gone. Trimble will be in the final year of his rookie deal in Thomas. I think this is the last year of his deals. They need a true pass getting tied in and probably some other guys for debt purposes.
Yeah. So running back, Miles Sanders, now that you stay loose, been fired. And he's the reason why he's even here.
He's gone. And there's cap implications for that, too. And Chuba Hubbard will be in the final year's rookie deal. So, yeah, you're going to need to figure some things out there, obviously, on the side of the ball. And it's not as simple as, oh, get rid of this offense line under contract. Right. The way I look at it, they need upgrades at every position on the offensive line.
At least three wide receivers, two tight ends and probably at least one, maybe two running backs. And then it will all be fine. And they could just get all of that in the draft if they had draft capital. So let me we'll close on this, Julian.
I appreciate you playing along with this silly game. They don't have a lot of assets to move for draft picks. I guess you still could move Brian Burns in the offseason and get a draft pick.
I guess you could if you wanted. And I would not let J.C. Horn sniff the football field the rest of the way because you want to keep him as healthy as possible. Because what we saw from healthy J.C. Horn is shut down corner material. I would not risk him getting hurt because I would have I would look at him as an asset. Burns as an asset.
And as much as I would not like to do it. Could you turn Bryce Young into an asset? Because I think they're in total teardown mode.
I do think that they need to be probably in total teardown mode. And the unfortunate thing is, is that they have Bryce Young right now. Because what you would prefer to do is maybe keep around Andy Dalton, go find some random journeyman quarterback, kind of like what they had done back in 2020 with Teddy Bridgewater and build around that quarterback until you could place in a rookie quarterback. The problem is the owner is not patient enough to do that because they just stuck with Teddy Bridgewater. Because honestly, if we look at it, Adam, Teddy Bridgewater is the best quarterback that they've had since David Tepper started really making decisions here. Like after they fired Ron Rivera, like the first two years, I don't really count because he was working on the business side of things.
And there's already been issues on that side as Tom Glick mysteriously disappeared. Same thing with Nick Kelly, two CEOs that he had here in Carolina. But I started football side of things once he decided to make a change, bring in Matt Rule. Since the Rule era, the best quarterback has been Teddy Bridgewater. Now they just stuck to the plan and built the roster and stop chasing after quarterbacks and giving up assets for failed quarterbacks and reclamation projects. Maybe they're not in a situation that they're in right now. And obviously, you know, they got the right coaches.
So for me, I think they probably need to be in teardown mode. It sucks to say that because Brian Burns is a good player and it's not very easy to go out there and find an edge rusher in the NFL. It's a premium position, just like hasn't been easy for them to go out there and find some of the replace Christian McCaffrey this season. And so I'm going to go replace D.J.
Moore. You nail the first round picks. But then in four years time, because of all the other bad decisions, you're out here trading away for assets like Brian Burns. The most you're going to get from was last year at the trade deadline, the two first round picks and the third round pick. The Rams are going to give up and the Panthers should sure could use that now.
I don't know. They would have to tag and then trade him and a team would have to be able to agree to a deal for Brian Burns that would work. So that makes that complicated as is and why he probably wasn't moved at the deadline. Derek Brown's probably the biggest asset that they have because he's going to be playing on a 50 year option next year.
They still have time to negotiate. A team does for him. But you need interior defensive lineman like Derek Brown.
You saw what Jeffrey Simmons did for the time yesterday in dominating that game that they they probably need to be in cell mode. And it just thinks that you have a young quarterback on a rookie deal that you need to be developing in the meantime, because you would prefer to be have a team built, then bring that guy and be able to pay those guys while the quarterback is figuring his way. But now it can be kind of doing the two things where you're tearing things down and then trying to build the quarterback up, but really only having two more years to figure out whether he's actually the answer. So, yeah, we're in for a long rebuild here in Carolina. That's pretty much the short of it all.
Jillian Council, who looks great on television and here on video. And this will be up on YouTube in just a little bit. Appreciate your time. You've got a lot of stuff to talk about in the locked on Panthers podcast. I appreciate it always, my friend.
I'll talk to you soon. Yeah. Appreciate you, Adam.
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