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Are the Carolina Panthers still pursuing Baker Mayfield?

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Are the Carolina Panthers still pursuing Baker Mayfield?

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June 14, 2022 4:20 pm

Are the Carolina Panthers still pursuing Baker Mayfield? John Breech of CBS Sports joined the show to talk about the Carolina Panthers pursuing Cleveland Browns QB Baker Mayfield. They talked further about young QBs in the NFL, including Trevor Lawrence, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, and others.

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Visit us at This is the Adam Gold Show. Earlier we were talking about Jack Del Rio's $100,000 fine that was handed down by his head coach Ron Rivera. And then I offered, I don't know, what does Del Rio earn as the defensive coordinator? I just speculated it can't be more than a million and a half. I think I might know. Oh, okay. Three and a half million. Wait, whoa, whoa. Jack Del Rio's making three and a half million as the defensive coordinator? Maybe. Let's see if I can confirm this.

Boy, the commandos are a dumb organization. Anyway, I don't know. Maybe he's worth it. So even at a million and a half, I said, $100,000 fine?

What is that? 15%? Like, no, Adam. It's actually about 7%. Yeah, well.

As Steve points out, math is hard. Yes. And then Tyler points out that Costa Rica v New Zealand is in Qatar. It's actually not in Costa Rica.

Oh. So I would like to know what the weather report's going to be for Qatar today. Hot. Yeah, there's the reason why the World Cup is in November and December. In Qatar. And not in June and July. Gosh, how hot is it going to be?

Gross. So I'll have to do the research there. All right, with that said, we won't have to hear the Jon Rahm clip in Wall of Sound, but I thought Rahm was very, while being as respectful as possible, was also very much adamant that the PGA Tour is the place to be. Rory McIlroy has been that way.

Justin Thomas has been that way. We will get to those eventually in the Wall of Sound. But first, we got to hear from the NBA particulars. Let's get to it.

The Wall of Sound is a function of this studio. There's no doubt about it. All right, so it wasn't a big Steph Curry game. Curry had just 16 points. He was 0 for 9 from three-point range, made a bunch of additional poor decisions, yet the Warriors won. After what Steph did in Game 4, I think his team kind of owed him one. Here's Steph on getting the help. The fact that, you know, everybody stepped up. Wigs, JP, you know, Klay had some big shots. Draymond found his life in the spirit and the way he impacts the game. We could withstand going 9 for 40 as the team and meeting 0 for 9 and still come away with the win. So obviously, track record says, you know, shoot the ball better next game and looking forward to that bounce back. Yeah, I mean, he bounces back, but that doesn't mean the Warriors are going to win because if you're the Boston Celtics had a game plan and they executed that game plan and that was to eliminate Steph Curry. Let the other guys beat you. They did. Narrator voice.

They did. All right, Steve Kerr is this close to his fourth championship as a head coach. It's so exciting to be part of the finals again. And, you know, I think this whole season has kind of led to this.

You know, a lot of individual stories, guys getting better, guys getting healthy. You know, here we are. We have we have a chance. We got to two cracks at getting one win, but we also know how difficult it's going to be.

So nobody's celebrating, but we're excited to be in this spot and we we want to take advantage of it. I mean, that's the way to look at it. But if you're the Warriors, I still when I watch the games, I still think Boston's a better team. Doesn't matter.

Yeah, it doesn't matter. You know, we had we had not on last week and we were talking about Boston playing with their food, right? In a way, that is what it feels like. Boston is doing just feels like they can step on the gas.

But sometimes you step on the gas and the car doesn't respond or it's out of control. I'm not sure Boston isn't isn't there. But here's the thing. You could think, oh, a boss is going to have so many more chances. Yeah, you don't know that. Yeah, you don't know that.

You better grab it while you can. I mean, Milwaukee is going to have Chris Middleton back. You know, Miami is still great. The and Boston could have easily lost that series. Philly's going to be better. Muna, maybe James Harden has a little bit of a Renaissance.

They've got Joel Embiid, you know, Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and others are still in Brooklyn. It's not going to get easier. It just isn't. I don't know if you saw this.

I think you did, Dennis, yesterday. So there's a foul. Jason Tatum has the ball and they go to timeout. Tatum on greens, trying to get the ball from Jason Tatum and Tatum just walking away with the ball.

And I could just it almost looked like something was going to happen, but obviously it didn't. Here's Tatum. And why you didn't give the ball up, you know, an NBA at the time, us guys try to get shots up. They want me to shoot the ball. So I said, I just took the ball with me to the timeout and I kept the ball the whole time.

And he say none. They just they want me to shoot the ball. That's outstanding.

Love it. I don't see anybody getting shots up during timeouts, but it doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. I think he's referred to just like when there's a dead ball or they blow a whistle is foul or something like that. Guy just takes a jump shot.

I think it's probably that was just it was fantastic. All right. I want to get this in because who knows if we're going to have time for any of the golf stuff. But you're going to have to explain the weatherman dissing on the Cowboys. Dennis. Oh, yes. You have to explain this. So this actually comes from a weather say or a news local news station in Mississippi. OK, weatherman given his weather report. And well, let's just say he was talking about temperature and this is what he had to say. Well, now we look at our 10 day forecast.

It's looking a little bit like those Dallas Cowboys is peaking in the 90s. Wow. Yep. Good for them. Have fun. Good for them. Take shots where you can, I guess. I love it. It's petty. It's dumb, but it's funny. Oh, fantastic.

Just down in Mississippi somewhere. Fantastic. All right.

Good for good for them. All right. We have time. We have time for Rory. So this is actually let's do let's do Phil from yesterday. He was asked why the live tour.

Actually, I think. Phil tells the truth and then stretches it out a little too far. But here's Phil. I think that there is a certain there's an obvious incredible financial commitment, but more than that, for all the players involved and everyone involved, but more than that, there are other factors that with fewer tournaments, it allows me to have more balance in my life. It allows me to do things that are off the golf course I've always wanted to do. And I find that as I prioritize, those are those that are important to me, people that are important to me going forward.

This allows me to have more time with them, be more present and to share more life experiences outside of golf. All right. He said the first part is absolutely true. A huge amount of money involved. They gave Phil Mickelson 200 just to show. Right.

He didn't play well, but he still made close to two hundred thousand dollars for not playing well. I get it. I mean, I'm not I'm not kidding.

How many times have you heard me say it's a shame the Saudis aren't interested in sports radio? Yeah. Right.

Like everybody's going to make a decision, depending on your financial situation, you might make some very questionable moral decisions depending on the outcome. Right. But here's what I don't get. Fewer tournaments. Right. OK, that's fair. And we were talking to Trey Wingo about this when he said, well, why does the PGA Tour care if these guys play the other tour as long as they play theirs? Well, I mean, I do think that it should be flipped around if Phil's playing there for guaranteed money. Yeah.

Right. And he wants to play fewer tournaments. Well, then why does he need the PGA Tour? And they all need the PGA Tour for one reason. And it's to qualify for the tournaments that they want.

Now, Phil doesn't need it for that. Phil is going to be exempt into every major that he's going to want to play play in for the rest of his life. Dustin Johnson also likely for the same as a two time champion, one U.S. Open, one Masters. You know, the open championship exemption will run out. PGA championship exemption will run out. But for the most part, you know, he's going to get into most of the majors. The other guys, maybe not.

But if you want to play in fewer tournaments, well, then you're not going to want to play both. These guys are all under contract. They have to play live. Yeah, there are eight events.

There's going to be 14. So Phil rarely, if ever, plays even 20 tournaments now. So you probably not playing ball, especially for him. He can he can pick and choose the big ones and going to play four majors and the and live. And that's fine for Phil if that's what he wants to do. And again, it's hard not to talk about it in terms of where the money is coming from. But I don't blame the PGA Tour for the stance they're taking. I don't know if it's going to work, but I don't blame them for saying, you know what, us or them. And that's fair.

Either way, that's the decision you make. All right. When we come back, John Breach, CBS Sports dot com, Panthers, Baker Mayfield. Huh? Next. John Breach, one of the super friends of the pick six podcast, frequent guest on this program, a four time turtle owner.

We'll get to the bottom of that. CBS Sports dot com, also a zero time horse owner. Why would you put zero time horse owner? Well, you know, people see the turtle thing and they automatically assume that you love turtles.

But you know what? Turtles are easy to take care of. They're very easy pets to own. Opposite are horses.

Impossible pets own expensive. Just trying to fit the whole paradigm there. Dude, my wife owns four horses. What? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. They come hang sometime.

Get some horseback riding lessons there. Settle up there, John. All right. So I read this today from from your colleague, our friend Jonathan Jones at CBS, that the Panthers are still pursuing a trade with Baker Mayfield. And I really have just one and one question. Why?

That is a fantastic question. It really feels like just kind of reading between the lines with everything that's happened this offseason is that the Panthers are extremely well on Sam Darnold and they would like to replace him. They realize there are not a lot of options at this point. And the thing about Baker Mayfield is I don't even think he's a huge upgrade over Sam Darnold. I do think he is a better quarterback, but Darnold's already got a year in the system. Baker Mayfield would be starting from scratch. And so it feels like the Panthers thought process here is, hey, look, if we can get Baker for practically free, let's do it. Because it seems to hang up in this negotiation is who's going to pay Baker Mayfield 18.9 million dollar salary? You know, if the Browns come and say, hey, we'll pay 16 million dollars. So the Panthers are thinking, all right, we get Baker Mayfield for just under three million.

Let's do it. So I think if they can get him at a low cost that it does make sense. Like, why not just bring another quarterback in and let the best man win the competition? If they can get him for nothing, you would think that the Browns would jump at that just to get Baker Mayfield out of town.

But they're obviously balking at that. See, to me, the move for the Panthers would have been to try to make this trade before the draft. And see if you can get the Browns to do what they did to the Texans when they accepted Brock Osweiler, which is sweeten the deal with a draft pick. Why didn't why wouldn't the Panthers have tried to do it that way? I mean, the Panthers might the negotiation seems close at the time of the draft. And obviously, for whatever reason, things blew up.

And I think it was because of the money thing. And really, I think the Browns are slow playing this. I think they're trying to keep negotiations alive, but I don't think we're going to see them do anything until they get some clarity on the Deshaun Watson situation. Not that I think Mayfield is going to play in for the Browns in 2022. But maybe another team calls up or maybe the Browns are if Watson's only suspended four games, maybe the Browns are saying just take we need to get rid of Baker Mayfield right now. We don't want him here. But if Mayfield suspended the entire season, you have Baker there as insurance. And so you have that next quarterback, you know, is going to be your starter in 2022.

So it's just a precarious situation that we've never really seen. And so it just kind of feels like the Browns are slow playing this window. What's going on with Watson?

John Breach, CBS Sports dot com is joining us here on the Adam Gold Show. How many games or will Deshaun Watson play for the Browns in 22? I think if you gave me an over under of eight, I'm taking the under. It just feels like with every new allegation that comes out, the NFL would be crazy just not to slam the door on his season. There's going to be so much blowback if this suspension is, say, six games or less. So I think at the minimum it is going to be half the season.

If it's the entire year, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, look, we've seen Ben Roethlisberger's name thrown out a few times with this Watson thing. Ben Roethlisberger didn't have any criminal charges against during his sexual assault allegations over a decade ago, but he still got suspended for six games, later got reduced to four. That was just two allegations. We're talking about twenty four allegations that could move up to twenty six. They could move up to sixty six. I mean, the number just keeps going up. And so at some point, the NFL just has to say we got to keep this guy off the field until we know exactly what happened and how many people it happened with.

So if I had to bet right now, I would say a year. See, because here's my position on this. Like, what, twenty two? Twenty twenty two wasn't nutty enough. Like the 60s.

I don't know. I can't even fathom the difference between acting inappropriately with twenty two or twenty four or twenty five or twenty six and sixty six. I kind of think the twenty twos a lot. Exactly. And, you know, if you're a brown fan out here defending Sean Watson, even if you say, oh, half these women are lying, that's still twelve of them are telling the truth. Right. That's still a huge issue. So even if you are trying to question the credibility of a few of these women who have filed a lawsuit, there are twenty four of them. Eventually, the numbers just kind of speak for themselves. All right. So there was an article I actually I bothered Brinson with this yet yesterday, but I wanted to ask you as well.

And you didn't write this, which was good because I would have called you yesterday about it. But the notion that the Jets could be this year's Bengals, I don't want to talk about the Jets because the Bengals went to the Super Bowl. Right. So is there a breakthrough team that could maybe it is the Jets that could make the playoffs? And maybe my issue should be we shouldn't really be kind of comparing them to the Bengals because the Bengals with Joe Burrow made it to the Super Bowl, which is very different. But is there a break breakthrough team with a young quarterback that stunk that's now going to be good?

Well, I mean, I think there are a couple options. I could see Jacksonville turning it around as crazy as that sound. They actually have a competent, sane coach in there who knows what he's doing. And, you know, anytime you get a Super Bowl winning coach in there, that feels like someone who can flip the script and turn things around right away.

And you have Trevor Warren's. I think the Jags offense could be a little scary, which sounds crazy to say. And they're in a division where there's no heavyweight. I mean, the Colts are good. The Titans are good, but they're not great. You know, this isn't the AFC West.

It's a division where you could easily rack up eight or nine or 10 wins. I mean, the Colts got nine wins with Carson Wentz. So I don't think there is any team that could do what the Bengals did last year. I don't think we're going to see a four win or three win team from last season make the Super Bowl this year. But if I had to come up with a team that could do it, I think Jacksonville would probably be at the top of the list. But the problem with that is that the AFC is just so loaded that it makes it hard to envision a team just breaking through. And so it feels like you have a better shot out of the NFC, but I'm not sure what team could pull. I mean, the Giants, I don't know.

It's just the teams that were bad last year. Don't have that Joe Burrow that I mean, the Bengals had the talent. It was just a matter of getting it together and their defense improved. Like that offense was good, even when they were bad. It just their defense took a step up and Joe Burrow took the next level at Jamar Chase.

John Breach is with us here in the Adam Gold Show. Five first-round quarterbacks last year. We could argue that Mac Jones was the best or the most successful.

Regardless, he was asked to do the least at times. But of Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Jones, and I know I'm forgetting, I'm overlooking another. Who was, yeah, well, Trey Lance can't do, he basically did nothing last year. Who takes the biggest step forward this year?

I think it's going to be Trevor Lawrence. Like I was saying with Jacksonville, I feel like that is the guy who just, I mean, the Jags were, the coaching staff was so incompetent last year, it was impossible for him to do anything good. It just seemed like he was lost. He didn't know who to trust.

He clearly disagreed with a lot of things. Urban Meyer was doing and I'm not keeping James Robinson on the field. So it seemed like it was tough for him to kind of concentrate on improvement and that's all Doug Peterson's going to ask him to do. But I think Trey Lance is obviously the most interesting one because we have no idea what he's going to look like. I know we started two games last season, but he was dealing with that finger issue that made it tough for him to throw the ball during those two starts. And so if Kyle Shanahan, who has been fantastic with quarterbacks, if he believes in Trey Lance and he's willing to kick Jimmy Garoppolo to the curb, that has to make you think that Trey Lance at least has the potential to be a good quarterback. So I thought we'd go Trevor and then Trey. Yeah, I loved Trevor Lawrence after his freshman year.

Sophomore and junior years? I mean, he was a great college quarterback. I just didn't see what everybody else saw. And they talked about him being the greatest prospect we've seen. I'm like, did you guys forget Andrew Luck already? Well, just real quick is that when you look at the rest of the class, though, your other options are Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson looked horrible last year.

Justin Fields has no one to throw the ball to. I don't know how that Bears offense is going to do anything. And Mac Jones just seems like even Steven, I don't think he's going to be a great quarterback. I don't think he's going to be a bad quarterback. He's going to be the guy who does what the Patriots ask him to. But he's not going to be asked to carry an offense like someone like Trevor Ward's.

It will probably be asked to do this season. John Breach,, one of the super friends in the Pick 6 podcast. I thank you very much. I know it was a busy day for you. Appreciate your time. We'll talk again. Yep. Signing up for those horse lessons. Take it easy, Adam. All right.

Well, we'll compare turtles and horses. But yeah, it's part of my every day. This is The Adam Gold Show.
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