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Is “Anti-Pro-Life” the New “Pro-Choice”?

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Is “Anti-Pro-Life” the New “Pro-Choice”?

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July 27, 2022 1:17 pm

The ACLJ is launching a 50-state campaign – our most expansive effort ever – to defend babies and defeat abortion. Jay, Jordan, and the rest of the Sekulow team discuss our lifesaving legal work on today's broadcast. This and more today on Sekulow.


SICU is an anti-pro-life new pro-choice ACLJ is fighting back, to be joined former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo informed then and now I got a interactive map directly to it was right on the homepage as well. And if you watch the broadcast. You can see what looks like every state, even though shaded gray usually be that it's a legislative issue.

What you have to do next. What action is being taken your state. We have votes later this week in Indiana about yesterday on a subcommittee at a subcommittee vote at to get a piece of legislation moving. There's been a lot of protests there pro-life legislation moving there in Kansas as well will talk about the secretary Pompeo ACLJ actions engage, they are over you throw that up on the screen just quickly for people were running an ad campaign through ACLJ action in the Arkansas wad of those ads has secretary Pompeo in it. Of course, is a former Congressman from Kansas add this.

This would get about what this really doesn't it with the Kansas legislation interested. The vote is to override a sold state court decision. All it really does is allow within the legislature to start legislating on restrictions on abortion. The interesting aspect of this is the decision adoption is great because it it took away the club this you know made up constitutional right to abortion so it opened up and the ability to return it to the states, which is what the law required one rose over term. It was then returned to the states now forgot we have real state challenges and cc mistake challenges are different in each state testing you will see things on ballot initiatives. You will see abortion come up this fall. You see legislative bills being voted on right now about abortion and then you also see court cases and like you said multiple times and you're right, it might be a very conservative state, but the court system might be very liberal and so we got we deployed from Frank Manion and Ed White to our senior lawyers to Newark and I frankly was in a bit later broadcast because were were dealing with this on the state-by-state level he say why New York well true New York is to be a state that is very pro-abortion. No question about it. But you know what we gotta defend the pro-life legacy centers that are at the front lines in the fight for life in states like New York and California, but that interactive map shows everything going on in your state.

If you have questions about what's happening your state right now. Give us a call because it is it is there is a flurry of activity in a lot of states across the country votes coming up whether to legislature voting this week. Whether it's you that need to get out to vote.

Maybe as early as next week.

Like in a state like Kansas went what can you do.

We can answer those questions for you. So we are now while it's great to still celebrate. I think we all deserve celebrate the overturning of Roe versus Wade need to now know what's happening next and the next battle is really at the state level that that's the next battle sub will be at the local level is kind of two competing battles. What is legislating restrictions. The other is in a more blue states is going after the pro-life legacy centers tried to eliminate pro-life purchasers. We saw the Michigan governor again as I thought we said yes to the broadcast veto funding that was passed by the state legislature. The represents of the people vetoed funding to adoption agencies in Michigan because he want to create this crisis that would exist. There is no problem with too many babies in America is plenty of organizations in place. They want those organizations shutdown to create a crisis this a great time to support the work of ACLJ April 20 matching shelves in the last couple of days in the month. This is when it counts as a sibling that were support right now in New York defending life we got a interactive map with all 50 states were working on cc working on pro-life issues. A number of lords around the country. This is the critical for days in a matching challenge campaign. I'm encourage you to go to and donate any amount you can, and ACLJ. If you're able, and working to get that matched so I will encourage right now if you haven't donated. Please consider today it's ACLJ that work will be back with more just a minute again if you want more information. Another great place to go is that website and talking about feel we are to your phone calls 100-684-3110 if you know what issues are going on your state you want to broadcast it to people's a great time to do it based is a call 1-800-684-3110. If you are if you are wondering what you need to be working on in your state. Give us a call at 1-800-684-3110 because I get it all 50 states. There's different than a flurry of activity when it comes to abortion their cases going on. There are votes that you can voted their ballot issues coming up in November the sub as early as next week as legislative votes happening as we speak. So this is all are going right now we can update you, we got our Internet interactive map up and view ACLJ that are/abortion you can you can actually go directly to the map, but I also encourage you to give us a call today so that we can answer that any questions and not just interview for everybody listing to the broadcast as well.

I think that for those you who been fighting that pro-life around for somebody so be. Whether it's decades for you years for you to the movement. I think your should not just your state, but also what is going on around the country is ultimately is about protecting human life. So I get 1-800-684-3110 if you got questions about what's happening in your state or if you want to tell people about what's happening your state what initiatives that you're working on major working on a ballot initiative that hasn't gotten the attention it has gotten the signatures yet but you're working on it had taught some of my state is doing that in Florida so again 164 30. What does interest in Jonathan Turley, who is a law professor at George Washington University has an article that is written that's published on the hill and says the title says is not enough to be pro-choice. Now you must be anti-pro-life.

And here's what he writes with the Supreme Court's overturning of Roe versus Wade. It's no longer enough to be pro-choice. Indeed, the term pro-choice has been declared harmful by the now ironically named pro-choice caucus today. It seems you must be anti-pro-life.

To be truly pro-choice and across the country prologue viewpoint to bring the clan declared virtual hate speech and this is the pre-speech aspect of this that now issue cc and that is a pro-life perspective is now deemed to be something in it and Justice Alito pointed this out that even distorted the abortion cases distorted the free speech jurisprudence of the court by allowing for a viewpoint discriminatory animus against pro-life people. That's not the case anymore abortion distortion continues and were seen at every single day that now.

Like you said it's not enough to be pro-choice you have to be anti-pro-life. And if you hold any opinion against abortion. You are absolutely canceled. We've seen enough people at an admission in the whitecoat service with the doctors half of the students got up and laughed because the speaker was a doctor and speaking about medical issues, not about abortion all but just because that speaker happened to be pro-life half of the students got up and walked out because she cannot hold an opinion that is different from pro-abortion. You look to have doctors now that politically sensitive that they can even allow a speaker who happens we pro-life is not discussing pro-life be a speaker at the whitecoat ceremony as a graduation speaker basically of the ceremony speaker who was highly respected is that not just the doctor was academic in the field. So that's why she was chosen used to be an atheist was for abortion that at her old change of heart is out religious and came to faith came to pro-life viewpoint. That's just again that you could learn that, but if you want to defy this researcher that was under speech and yet still so now like the articles talking about now. If you're just if you still who happens to be pro-life in your company. Let's see your company to talk about Chinese economic policy but also your pro-life on a college ship so that they can walk value not just for that because you talk about Chinese economic policy, but because you talk because you happen to be someone who she has a pro-life position that it was somehow made public. We've had university professors, doctors and medical schools that have a pro-life position and have been denied tenure have been censured have been harassed by students. Now that in a free society should not be tolerable. Let's be fair.

That's it. That's ridiculous, but yet that kind of hostility and discrimination seem to be that was okay because it was pro-life so we can discriminate.

Basically it's a it's an extreme position and what's so funny is the people that have this position. They try to pretend like they're tolerant how we want to give everybody you know that the right to speak and have their own opinion will, yes, except if that opinion is a pro-life opinion. You cannot have an opinion that wants to protect the life of an unborn baby. They are going to cancel you, they are going to call it hate speech. You cannot have an opinion that that contradicts their opinion that abortion is the only option you I want to read the says YouTube, came and said you think the left is using these aggressive aggressive tactics against pro-life policies to distract from the disasters they are creating rather country. Yes, I'd say it's more it's not a distraction for you because you to pay attention right at you for like they're attacking it is trying to continue to encourage their base to somehow get out the vote in November because in the midterm elections because if you take an issue like this out that member that's all you to be like the liberal base. The part that's what they're worried about that. They won't even show up if they don't shop you start losing races you should win. And so they are at the at the bare minimum.

Try to find something I get not to not to get, it's not really about you not voting your get a vote because they're coming after you, but it's about try to figure out how they can get their own people to vote because most of them were not very happy about it. I noticed this when I was available last week in Washington DC.

They still have all the barricades upward cycle wars. It looks like a war zone but no people so there's a war going on outside at around the Supreme Court including the street our offices on which is now shut down to two traffic and there's a protest in a couple days later AOC. The others we covered earlier, they had a innovate protest the other protesting the fake arrest you put a fake handcuffing all that and again folks. I just to make clear those are just plant by politicians so there has not been this massive visual is not a black lives matter. This not like in T4.

They have not had mass protest continuing across the country. Every once a while though shortly get a beer when there's a vote that you know that makes sense. But did they go away because in this because it's a very small base because the dynamics and that in the demographics on the life issue have changed so drastically.

I think a lot of us the technology when you see the unborn child in utero in the in the in the imaging that they have now it's it's breathtaking and that's why they don't say it's not a baby anymore that the argument faded away so what I worm encourages there's the pro-life movement and pro-life perspective dogs and more pointing the pro-life movement the pro-life perspective is really gaining strength. I think the question for all of us.

It is that the ACLJ is we gotta make sure that the pro-life speech is available to be made, and we been fighting that battle for 40 years and then you got a look at the individual states to cease. He and Jordan were saying were you got these issues that are deftly percolating in it. Sometimes giving a conservative state with a rather hostile state Supreme Court and you ask, how can that even be with the truth is it can be because the way the judges are appointed to the court right in the state Slightly and set likely said even before we knew the Dobbs decision. If Dobbs does overrule Roe V Wade, our work is really just beginning and I think you can hear that from evening of this broadcast. It is we are at every level. We are meeting with crisis pregnancy centers we are protecting them from the vandalism in the attacks that they've got. They've got more protecting them from state laws that are coming down where protecting them from even the Biden executive order may be attacking them and then we know we have to be on top of the ballot initiatives to let people know about that. We also have to be on top of the legislation, as these bills are being introduced, making sure that we get in and you know we object to the bells and help even and structure. Some of the language that we are incredibly busy right now fighting for life peers were doing that and sees adjustments in this individual suffers.

We deployed lawyers on California issues. We remember that you had a hostile state. We deployed lawyers to Maryland to testify on congressional hearings. We got to lawyers in New York right now we are what Jordan is working with the team on on Kansas time at that and come next that coming up segments.

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It will focus on that legal work for the sake of the broadcast reunion.

Frank made his senior counsel with the ACLJ because freight you are in York Pennsylvania as well. Working with pro-life pregnancy centers.

We made about representing others. Pro-life registers were that process. Now you're the meetings with them because they are coming under attack. Unbelievable. Some of the stucco area and I guess we've always been sort of vaguely familiar with it, but it's amazing when you're out here literally on the ground you feel like you're in the trenches.

Most of these places are shoestring operations and deploy their underground literally so anyway you know we are hearing things like the will is on one particular individual told us about the fact that her personal and her PRC person. Research center account is with Patrick shortly after the leak at the dock decision. They've got Chase investigate Chase Bank investigating that the local police investigating that we heard about people showing up but the pregnancy resource centers with gasoline and bags. That unit suddenly left after a few questions were asked about their all rather scared of this New York investigation for good reason, which basically gives the state the power to go in and ask anything they want about these. Let's talk about this New York law that we've been very concerned about and that's one of the reasons you would enter there. Let's talk about what that New York law gives these investigative agencies mean New York decided out of all the other thing to could be spending time on it needs to go investigate pregnancy resource centers and the fear is a big all basically unlimited subpoena powers given to the Department of Health and other state agencies agreement with subpoenas and ask these people were equipped with these people to come forward with every piece of information. These investigators can cook up were talking shoestring operations J mostly staffed by volunteers quickly affiliated with churches or other charitable organizations are going to have to take your time responding to frankly just simply burdensome for the sake of being burdensome subpoenas whose really, we believe because the politician corporately stated as such these places down. I don't understand jazz I'm sitting here talking these people this week what the focus is why the focus is on them all what to do is women and girls who want to have the baby after baby usually means providing material assistance connecting them with the proper social agencies or government program. Ticket out the getting of medical insurance.

In some cases, the stories were hearing just inspiring and yet the same time. It's infuriating witness what's going on Frank Lambert were here or doing it regularly deployed lawyers on the ground success is because your support of the ACLJ but listen to this this fight with New York is not a first party with New York I was in fighting New York for a long time, but they are aggressively cc coming up to the sky Springs Ranch aggressively exactly and as frankly saying that I literally in my mind, is seen sitting with another crisis. He present pregnancy center several years ago the same kind of thing with the subpoena and having to go through just documents after.voluminous documents that they're requesting and really all it is is to harass and try to shut them down. There's no need for these documentations and again the reason that there always at the center of the attack is because they are on the front lines. They are the ones that are providing true options for pregnant mothers and giving them then they help and assistance that they really need when you're in pregnancy yet.

I think also it will receive two is yes you were talking about New York's Mayor, the city of New York how are they doing with his migrant right crisis and really it is one of the agencies that's responsible for the homeless crisis there said the migrant issue is a very small part of the homelessness issue in the in the burden on our resources. We have two to be home was New Yorkers that are here that are not there were not taking care of the crime is out of control. And yet the strength that this is where they focused their state resources not on figuring out how to take their major cities. It was York as well as that a lot of people hurting economically throughout their state.

With inflation like this. But then focus on that the leaders of their inner money on point, put crisis pregnancy centers on a business upright you talk we got regarding God. I understand a group of clients being lined up right now and we may have some serious legal challenges at work and bring yet that group is about to double in the next couple days. I can assure you of that about that several people have told us that shortly after the Dobson opinion was leaked. They were visited but the intelligence department of the New York Police Department because the police were basically walking up there is a list their captive portal revealed her sources and crisis centers are on that list and were looking all of you speak in full take precautions and let us know if you see anything suspicious. It's interesting that these people are the target of the other side just a medicament. I frankly appreciate the update Frank is in New York with NY to her senior lawyers working on this and look folks, I mean there's a target list that the New York authorities have crisis pregnancy centers. Think about that for a moment, but like you said cc. This is not the first time this is happened. Now it's not and I and sadly it won't be the last time I I think you know every day I come to work and there's another attack on a crisis pregnancy center again whether it's through this state whether it's through in a court proceeding, whether it's through groups like Jane's revenge actually attacking and they are just constantly of course. Planned Parenthood never stops attacking them there constantly under attack so they constantly need our support and representation and we have provided that for decades, and we will continue to dissent infringes that we've got a whole group of clients notices about the double just in New York on this issue.

These are identities are very important places because this is the direct answer to this false talking point.

You'll hear from the left of the pro-abortion industry of their their spokespeople and their activist is that we have to be children and saving the bilayer said that she said in a people getting pregnant right now as we speak it and there's good to be babies born and there's no one there to help, except for there is a's A8 huge network likely for exactly doubling the amount of these pro-lifers. All he wanted us to insulator hundreds I get all over it every every place you go in cities you go and sometimes across the abortion clinic yes and etiquette suburb more well-funded than others, but they're all there to do the same job which is this is provides another option for women if if if they are considering abortion, but they're just not sure and maybe have got an ultrasound they could do it for free. I want these facilities and their worried about well if even if I do want to keep this child derive the resources it and then they say we at we wish to connect you with you get this you get that they help them with all those government services. Yes, that the government provides, or adoption. They will provide the don't start that process as well.

So in the cupboard with with to help. They do parenting class or do all this work and it's it's already there may have been there already, even to row because they wanted to be the alternative, now without row. They know that their work is going to increase.

But what is the left where do not allow them to operate shut them down because they want the crisis in the country would Emily like a crisis of two pretty children, whatever that means. That's why we want to encourage you in our last by days or matching Jones campaign to an ACLJade battle right now as we get ready to go to break any money you donate will go and be double for Mildred only $50. We get 100 someone else's matching that We need your support today were about 2% behind where we were last one kinda match that we know these are tough at times with inflation. So this is only if you're able to do without ACLJade out of it. It's really critical got lawyers deployed in Washington were looking at achieving New York looking at many other states as well that 50 state interactive map up your support right now is critical matching challenge campaign. Do it today if you're able, that's ACL. will be back with the next half hour broadcast system. The American Center for Law and solutions at home and abroad for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ matching challenge for every dollar you donate $10 becomes $20, $50 gift becomes 100 checking the constitutional and religious freedoms most to you and your family.

You forgive today online keeping you informed and now is Jordan secular to secular.

I give you to some of the international issues that were facing, but happy right here at home. These issues were tried as you noticed writer broadcast this week really been focusing on of life issues and other issue. The first half-hour cigarette fish bring you back because there's so much going on every hour and how it is to go try whether the Pelosi triple talk about that a secretary Pompeo partially accounts for global affairs. He's joining us to the next leg of the broadcast. We talk a little bit life and but mostly on that China is as well because tomorrow Pres. Biden is going to be talking to presidency of China is that given something he's betrayed announcement two days ago so that Miley can happen when they can be taught. Is it Taiwan is it aggression. There is at the Pelosi visit. Is it the again somebodies issues that have arisen with Huawei with the purchasing of land in the United States is what make this clear Chinese. I know this directly advocacy for Moo the Chinese companies that are doing this think that this is just getting attention because were an election year and a delegate they'll be able to just continue buying up land durable, try taking our resources literally, they would be in charger babe they have a hold on our food supply are tech so our ability to put up the F 35, the air, use your phone drive your car.

Use a tank where type that was secretary Pompeo tech side. And of course it was spy so they got towers still up. Today this is what is so sated towers where Huawei has equipment on the today that has not been removed. Even though the federal government should remove it.

Told the tech because they don't that there $3 billion short.

This is the US government were talking about this, you'll find the $3 billion to get those off those cell towers because they know that there be used to intercept communications of the US strategic command, which oversees a nuclear weapon arsenal so bringing it into this work on this by the way on the congressional level working on it with the RCP counsel for global affairs. My Pompeo M speak former Secretary of State for the nine states but also happens make former director of the Central intelligence 80 agency and then Rick Cornell, who was happens. It was the ambassador to Germany, but also was the director of national intelligence, so we got the team together to do that. I wanted to turn back so that's what's coming up on the back for moment on we we heard from Frank Manion so we got Frank in a deployed in New York right now because there's hundreds pro-life centers in New York State and in some of them are very sophisticated folks doing amazing work we Frank said some of our shoestring budgets are nonprofits, but some of them are are are funded really significantly in a positive way so that they can do unbelievable work for these women in need and they are so they are trying to regulate out all of these crisis pregnancy centers and understand something in states like California and New York and Massachusetts with pleasant statement from Elizabeth Warren think this tells you how ridiculous what their friend was take a listen on termination. We need to shut them down to Massachusetts we need to shut them down all around the country so this is was we deploy special unit within the ACLJ defend crisis pregnancy centers from coast to coast. They do amazing work tonight spoken at those events for prices crisis pregnancy centers women resource centers and some of that which is amazing what they can do and what they are doing what folks we have to build applicable defend them, which requires your standing with us so we can stand with them, so it doesn't cost me anything. That's were for experienced let them use the resources of the worst are doing and if you support during the ACLJade. They wanted to go on higher offer.

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ACLJ to represent them at no cost. So that's why it's important to support their work but also to support our work because they come under attack and you don't want to spend thousand thousand dollars hundred thousand dollars with the law firm to to defend the we could go in. If it is videos daily as needed no cost. Any of those organization to support the work of the ACLJ and ACLJ.or be part of our matching challenge. Months later the month so that I part of it donate today be back with secretary Pompeo secular we're joined now by our senior counsel, global affairs. Stated a director cards are for kids.

This is what I want to bring that up by my Pompeo's victory pump energy to try to admit it but I did want to remind people, especially because you got blisters all over the country.

In Kansas there is an important vote next week and next Tuesday, August 2 and I say that their portion of the pro-abortion industry and their allies are dumping money into Kansas and ACLJ action and because we partnered with you on some on ads were running and we put those up on the screen now for people. It is called secretary Pompeo the value them both commitment and support that were letting people know to vote yes on that amendment. But I just you just wrote an op-ed to know that the newspaper there Kansas. I tell people about this vote and what you hear from on the ground really important to buy based around electrocute. We cocked back and help every can't get out." Amendment vote yes on the value them both amendment so much money your point brightened up the good deal.

But in the working to protect the unborn and protect these mothers well so much money dumped into the state with misinformation. All this but all this amendment does is it says that court but how are are liberal and left have prevented the people from voting on the restriction that the protection of the unborn, that they have wanted for a walk Whelen, just as a people can vote we can open up democracy to make sure that we don't have abortion on demand in the state of Kansas if that's what the people of campus when it's that simple. That's what the amendment does a lot of focusing on this and have been there for me it is not about simply because we value both why we want the people attended. Consistent with what the Supreme Court wrote a couple weeks back want people campus to have the opportunity to voice their views on protecting the unborn. It's that simple. It's that decent. It's that basic out everyone but what you first opportunities in the country where people not just legislatures the people themselves are going to determine if their legislature has the ability to start legislating now that Roe has been overturned and that that what he said Rose no longer hanging over the state legislature. So I just want to bring that because in Kansas you may be seeing those ads on social media with us and we put a backcountry overtime.

What was secretary Pompeo with features a child so so much bad information out there about this so encourage your friends if you're in Kansas to vote yes on say something I I'm I'm very glad everybody's working on this issue. I will turn our attention.

Mike and I came to China because this is Galvan aiding all the news networks right now.

I may not just conservative media. This is impacting everywhere so China's military is now threatening response if Speaker Pelosi goes through with her visited Taiwan.

Now, the administration is saying that the our military think she's good.

She goes or could escalate things what you make of the samurai. The saber rattling of China, especially if you got conservative members of the House and Senate saying they go with her to now it's becoming a big issue from United States.

This visit to Taiwan what your sense of China's actual actions here are the basic particle which is attorney Thomas party ought not to dictate American policy with respect to any nation which we should allow some second-tier diplomat to issue a statement or some whisper campaign because the United States to bended knee to the Chinese Communist Party quickly done: time to write that pellet airline you can't put Taiwan on your airline route that tell a Hollywood producer you can't write about China in a certain way we want to show your movie to tell an NBA player or someone in the crowd, you can hold a percent have the speaker that the ranking federal official that the trade, you know, we don't think you should go to this independent nation.

Taiwan and then for us that that you know what were afraid of you. We were fearful of you and not allow her to go because we don't think our military is capable of keeping the security blanket for the United States of America. But imagine what Vladimir Putin will they will imagine what your Mukilteo match what I told if it just takes the press release McCright United States of America, the defendant credibly difficult life she's to go. That's the general consensus is you now since we are the United States of America. She's the third ranking as elected executive official luggage in line to the presidency and if she wants to go to Allied country.

Another another place that you tell her us tell our politicians what to do, but I am nervous now because she's getting this pressure. There are some Democrats stating whether a lot Republican steady weather which is unique but she's getting a lot of pressure from the White House and from Kirby and others national Security Council. This is too dangerous and not worth it. I think it's worth it and I think it's a century, Pompeo. It's a statement that needs to be made holy work that I tweeted with a little bit that I go with her weekend but I would not part of the protective United States of America not being fully by the Chinese Communist Party, I understand sensitivity we face this all the time and trump administration to what we would make decisions that protect the American interest without unduly provoking some adversary, where we were.

We were nuanced about how we did.

Once we made a decision once we announced we were going to fail a vessel through the strata Taiwan or we were going to station a soldier to particular pipe if they adversary announced that they were going to do something with it that we were going to do it. We should do it. I hope speaker positive. The dissent thinks that you travel jock travel and United States should support that visit play what job the animal Kirby, the spokesperson said on this because it kind of shows you where the ministration come from. Take a listen if she were not go at this point would that send a message of weakness to China. I cannot get ahead of the speakers travel let John as far as I know she's not not made a decision and certainly hasn't announced anything. Again, our job is to make sure she has a context information available so she can make the best decisions wherever she goes. But Mike if she decides now after all this did not go. Isn't that exactly would would Berman asked. Doesn't that send a message of weakness to China about the United States imported imaginable. Imagine a month from now I China threatens Australia by saying that they won't curse the go travel to the country.

We called asteroid they don't. Don't bend the knee, don't deliver them.

You should still do what you're going to do. You should still put submarines in a lot or whatever, maybe you wouldn't even attended our speaker Taiwan are our friends will see this in the same where adversaries will see weakness. Our friends will be the absence of results so the Australians the South Korean Japanese all of our friends and allies in the region will say if United States won't do the simple thing allowing the house to travel to visit Taiwan. Why should we take any risk where were going to go to cuddle up with China will make the best of that. But we can't count on United States to be our friend and partner in this difficult part of the world this to be because he got his advise on the phone with presidency tomorrow. There's a lot of issues they could discuss ultimately. But what if you were advising present bind right now of what issues to focus on what would those be happy there. So we put so many going on domestically. The land purchases were always on the cell towers in the list goes on and on. What would your message be the real economic warfare you been conducting again for the last two decades. Over we are no longer going to bended knee with elegant turn the other cheek when electric to steal American job by the millions in American technology by the billion were going to defend the things that matter most to America, and here are the euro, the year the policies were going to execute to deliver on behalf of the American people should be shouldn't be illiterate that that need to be hostile simply needs to be clear and transparent and resolved. She understands that to thinking understand that Jenny comes party understands our what they what they don't understand is in America than it has an absence of result, they will drive a truck through that weakness. Jordan and that is very risky for the fact that over the next weeks and months and years.

One last thing, Mr. Sec., match this is worded to the point we talked about the infiltration into into the Academy intent businesses into the Federal Reserve system.

I think it's just worth reiterating what you said many times about the threat from China. How serious of a threat canopy of the Chinese party rivaled the threat that America based on the Soviet Union, it is even more difficult because of the economic interdependence between United States and the West and the Chinese comes party thinking is intent on making sure kids and grandkids live in America looks more like China than it does our Republican we have at we have ever responsibility pushback against that and make sure that the world looks more like American that America still looks like America number 250 years from now exactly or thinking. We appreciate so much senior counsel for global affairs. My company I'll tell you something. This tells you folks the analysis you're getting here is not only spot on but look at the ability of what were able to do because of your support for the ACLJ we were able to meet we have to former cabinet members as part of the senior teams at the American Center for Law and Justice because of your support to the ACLJ so I just want to encourage you to stand with us in this matching challenge campaign. If you're able to in the amount you donate we get a matching gift for that I will encourage you to make that gift today and when you do, whether it's $10 or thousand dollars. Whatever might be. We get a match for and that doubles the impact of what you're doing. Give and encourage you all these issues. China life, we are working on the front lines of these battles and allow these battles, including the battle tried.

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They spent the announcement portion of it really did kind of present a new way to look at cable news.

Now obviously the probably the putting if they actually adhere to this, but it was a very interesting conversation with a little clip from it from Chris Cuomo and will discuss little bit more about what that means for the future of God mainstream news, I have decided that I can't go back to what people see is the big game. I don't think I can make a difference there.

I think we need insurgent media insurgent media very interesting lady say it also positioning themselves as a place that is respectful to both sides, even when they disagree. What I didn't really like about is both of them had a really good discussion about how historically they're knocking to come out and say were completely unbiased really cannot tell you our opinion, but doesn't mean our opinion has to be with this respect, our opinion has to be the authority above all and delegated the proof will be in the putting of if they actually can live up to this but that will be an interesting shift to see that accuracy more people trying this sort of format unite by Minna Chris Cuomo's for was on CNN a lot.

In fact, up to be quite brought want.

I felt like Chris always treated me with the most respect and fairness, we agree on things with answering update with Don CI stated that the other side said yes and he I never felt like I was the other side when I was on with Chrissy. I was felt like I was a different perspective maybe, but not the other side and we we were friends. I congratulate him on this.

I think it's a great movie and I think it's a good option like the word insurgent media.

Yeah, I think the urgency a lot more that level working on that everyday here to come up with new content. You guys can all take into there will be new stuff that will be announced in the coming weeks, and I hope you all like I we are not. It is nation of other stuff happening but I like this move out. You have someone like Dan Abrams who is maybe more moderate than you have. Hopefully they'll find someone. Maybe that is a bit more traditional, conservative or conservative, balance out this full lineup, but I do think it's interesting you said insurgent media that is important.

I think it's very important to see, especially when you have things like CNN which feel like they're in chaos and MSNBC in chaos and look a lot of personalities and Fox News as well a lot of personalities and all sorts of it that maybe something like this is what needs money You either.

I think your people and write it because it did road into our comments eroded. I just don't know who to trust anymore other than he has.

When it comes to media and I think that's true even because we try.

I try to say this, I can name any shows or even the networks but there are some other kind that you feel like if it's like you're always winning as others make us like were always losing.

This is our broadcast we tell you the truth. Sometimes we will win, sometimes we loose. Sometimes we would big.

Sometimes we lose and and were that you don't have to.

All you can kind of you. We all know that you're old enough to Andrew and you're intelligent enough to understand that and that that will be that you will and at some is kind of like it almost pure entertainment.

Now it's almost not the news is kind of a joke that you that you rip off of Alec and that's bad, but I do think there's there's space in our country's larger sized SF artistry major network and there's room to ask the questions and how these discussions of both sides and hear what at least people have to say and realize that that is eligibility listening.

That is, a large majority of the country. That's why election shift things happened and move if they didn't, you will have potential landslides on both sides that happened two years apart. There are a lot of people who sit there, they just what's happening around a bit taken with having random they move forward and not necessarily dealing in their own partisan politics. They're dealing with how it affects the and I think we can have those discussions. It's gotta be actually I said working on that every day at the ACL generally an immediate idea that we need to say but without giving any details other stuff coming up so make sure you keep following us is that we some of the recent announcements in the next week and then in the next month will probably have something brand-new for you to see and I look forward to announcing its intimacies and that this insurgent media idea that because I think question came in on Facebook from literature. What is it me yet so this is not the traditional approach that is been the city at the very family applicable training than he got the CNN can figure out what they are there limited to the case just this is more that this is a different approach by Denise Atlas not.

I'm a huge fan.

As you know of Sean Hannity. He's been on our broadcast. We posted his broadcasts. I think he does a great job I'm present Chris Cuomo to languish on course conference with Chris, I always felt like when I went on with him.

He treated me fairly and with respect and even defend me when other hosts were on that network work really matter what the deal in anger and the ones that deal in and and falsely he would come outside and I do appreciate him appreciate the support of some of the police work is doing obsolete. He had like PDU to take away from LF ultralight was the number one show on cable in the demo this past weekend. So you see some interesting things happen and it does show there's a lot of people out there that are sort of in this middle not a silly middle but they are at least not hundred percent against listening to the other side conversation. I do really like the concept that they've presented here which is treat people with respect come out here and let's have some real discussion to talk things out. Don't just be an echo chamber think that's cool again want to see if they actually could do it the other side of CNBC who now Shepard Smith say you never get to hear my opinion, and it makes me want to giggle because it's like we don't get a big push about leaving foxy iambic State trooper Chris Cuomo is we know his opinion.

He actually said he and Dan Abrams both went out there and said you know, our opinions tell you our opinions doesn't mean we have to belittle you. That doesn't mean we have to disagree with you are and always disagree with your always agree with you, you're going to hear our opinions.

I think the idea of an unbiased media is a thing of the past that's gone. But now we have at least an opportunity to have conversation. I do like that. Like you said, the proof will be if they do have folks out from the right and if there if they're able to actually keep it at more of a screaming match. Visit me that tough question inflicting the length of the guy I like you could be by equal intelligent my worthy opponent equal intelligence with different view and again more that I think would be great. It is difficult to to do that in the meeting, I will tell you so has every single day. If I called opposite hey you know if you like what close he states is no way you even if it was all positive to some of that is necessary especially on issues likely to think that release of how people feel just talk it out and have both sides talk through the pros and cons of this instead of just a will and I don't this that works is this. There was consent out there to say support our work to our billing. See okay that will

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