Producers' Pick | Pete Hegseth & Carley Shimkus praise Todd Bowles, slam "us vs. them" mentality

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Sign up for a free trial at Shopify.com slash offer 22 Shopify.com slash offer 22. The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmeade. Welcome back, everybody. Pete Hegseth and Carly Shimkus in the radio studio. I am thrilled and honored to have you both here.

Fresh up off the Fox and Friends today. But I will say this. Carly says to me in the break while you were downstairs, says, Brian, am I all of a sudden I'm not good enough?

And I saw the first time I ever saw insecurity with Carly. And I go, it's not that you're not good enough is that we just thought it would be good to invite Pete up. I didn't know that I would have a problem like this.

Oh, OK. I mean, this is usually our time. So I'm just wondering, Carly, I want to I want to help you and tell you how I knew. I know this is your time.

And that's why I walked into the studio. There was no one in here. Nobody. Not even me.

Not even you. I'm almost out of breath. I sat down at guest two.

See the spot I'm at right here. Respect. That's respect. I knew that guest one was Carly. She's not kidding. You can be guest one any day of the week. Not not right now.

Battle for the American mind. Long time best. So number one for how many weeks? It was number one for a month. And that's incredible.

Yeah, it was crazy. And on the list for 14 weeks, uprooting a century of miseducation. And of course, education is one of the top issues today. First off, I want you guys to hear something that's encouraging. Two years ago, if I could tell you, you know, look like we were coming apart the scenes when it comes to race. I think there's a huge pushback. I really do.

Everywhere I see people come back, go, OK, can we come down? Like, I'm not even worried about the World Cup them taking any anymore, especially because it's not the women. So this is the head coach of the Buccaneers. When asked, since he's coaching against another black coach, Todd Bowles, he was asked this question earlier this week.

Cut 38. You and Mike Tomlin are two of the few black head coaches in the league. I wonder what your relationship is like with them and your thoughts on Steve Wilkes joining that fold. I have a very good relationship with Tomlin. We don't look at what color we are when we coach against each other. We just know each other. I have a lot of very good white friends that coach in this league as well, and I don't think it's a big deal as far as us being coaching against each other. I think it's normal. Wilkes got an opportunity to do a good job.

Hopefully he does it. And we coach ball. We don't look at color. You also understand that representation matters, too, right? And that when young aspiring coaches or even football players, they see you guys, you know, they see someone that looks like them. They could grow up like them. That has to mean something.

Well, when you say you see you guys and look like them and grow up like them means that we're eyeballs to begin with. And I think the minute you guys start stop making a big deal about it, everybody else will as well. So I just want to get your perspective and Allison pulled the whole thing. I never heard the whole thing.

And then Eric Pete. But what's your reaction to that? Well, I just think that to hear a reporter sort of school a black coach on how he should respond to race relations is an unbelievable situation.

Not surprising. He handled it so well. And somebody that is maybe of a weaker mindset would have been like, yeah, you know, you're right. I understand where you're coming from. And he held his ground.

He was like, no, listen, though, you just said you guys to us. That's more of an us versus them situation when the other perspective is, no, everybody is equal. Not seeing color is a good thing. That's how it always should have been. But people have literally been canceled for saying those exact same things. It's true. So well said.

I defer the balance of my time back to Carl. It's exact. I mean, it's in this case, a female white liberals shaming and telling certain people how they are supposed to think the way they're supposed to view the world. I'm not I have not been a believer that the pendulum is going to swing back. Maybe it will. Maybe it maybe there's so much lunacy because of the education aspect of it.

That's what makes me concerned that it won't swing back as properly as it should be. But it's going to be free thinking, courageous men like this who look reporters who are driving an agenda in the eye and say that's not true. What coach was that that said that that was Todd Bowles, head coach of the Buccaneers, former coach of the Jets to cut. He's got been to head coach twice in five years. So there should be other opportunities.

I'm a Bucks fan. Yeah. And you know what, Pete, I agree with you that I think that at the top, like the tippy top of companies and colleges, the sort of Ivy League mentality, I don't think it's going anywhere there when it comes to like the hard core, like we have to be hyper focused on race.

But I think normal people, it's it used to be something that people would sort of tiptoe around and everybody's really over it. So so can I share with you a passage? So I'm all over Booker T. Washington. I'm doing a project with Teddy Roosevelt and how they work together to race us forward on as a country. This is easier. This is from his biography. So don't even say this in interpretation. With few exceptions, Negro youth must work harder and perform his task even better than white youth in order to secure recognition.

This is this is eight. This is 1910. But out of the hard and unusual struggle through which we is compelled to pass, he gets a strength of confidence that one misses whose pathway is competitively smooth by reason of birth. From any point of view, I'd rather be who I am, a member of the Negro race than to be claimed membership with the most favorite of any other race. I've always been made sad when I heard members of my race claiming rights and privileges or certain badges of distinction on the ground, simply that they were members of this race or that regardless of their own individual worth or attainments.

This is one hundred and ten years ago. Don't make excuses. We segregated society absolutely for 30, 40 years of civil war. Don't worry about what what the situation is.

Make it better. That has always been the ethos of our very best in this country. It also statement statements like that remind us that no one actually benefits when you're when you're valuing race over anything else. Then you have people of one race wondering, well, is that person in that position because they were given a preference? The person in that position is saying, well, do they look at me because I'm here, because I had a preference?

It's toxic across the board. There are some people that want it that way. That's yeah. He was what he was talking about is what in that quote that you just read so eloquently written was really the difference between equality and equity, where he's saying now it's the equity, where it's equal.

You owe me. Exactly. And now you get to a point where in schools they are dumbing things down to help elevate one race over another.

How about you just focus on those students that are struggling a little bit more rather than dumbing all of the education down? My my mom's side of the family is from Puerto Rico. My mom's Puerto Rican. I'm 50 percent.

I know I look like a map of it. But my grandfather, same exact thing. He came over from Puerto Rico. He had no money. He worked for in a steel mill and he got his GED. Actually, he got his high school diploma, too.

And when he was already a grown man, didn't even tell my mom or his wife that he was doing this. He was just staying late for work. And he just want he just had that drive and that will to succeed.

Bilingual English, definitely not his first language. And he was so proud to be an American and so proud of those accomplishments and exactly the example of what Booker T. Washington was there and became a slave, a slave till he was 12. Yeah. And he became such a strong man because of the struggles that he went through. And he wrote those words before there was equality.

Absolutely. And here now we are in a moment where we're closer to equality than we've ever been. And now we move the goalpost to equity, which has always been a lie.

Yeah, I just thought it was so true that you can. I thought Dennis Prager told me earlier this week, you have to judge people by the era in which they're born and they lived. And by that calculus, our founding fathers were giants. Never said Columbus was a giant. They were slaves. They were slaves. They were slaves. They were slaves. They were slaves.

Not perfect. But when you talk about slavery and equality, there was slave. We didn't invent slavery. The Indians had slaves. Wasn't aware of that. Blacks in Africa had slaves. Wasn't aware of that.

Brazil imported more slaves than anybody else. You don't see them being themselves up on a daily basis. I really feel optimistic we're about to get over it. I'm telling you. I hope you're right, Brian.

Yes, some big figures can say big things that give us hope. But what is being done in the classroom so that the sixth grader in class knows what you just said? As opposed to the prevailing Howard Zinn view, which is America is evil, poisoned from the beginning, founded on the backs of slaves and stolen from the Indians. And as a result, we shouldn't stand for the pledge, let alone sign up for the military.

What's it worth defending? We have not reversed that yet, which is there are a wave of kids that will never encounter what you just said unless they get a subscription to Fox Nation. Well, do you say there's got to be a push on the education front. But don't you think, Carly, this whole pushback and the sobering up of defund the police and police are fundamentally racist and they're realizing the communities that are hurt the most to the African-American communities because there's no policing.

And those parents are looking around going, I never said they were the problem. Al Sharpton doesn't speak for me. Yeah, absolutely. And then there's candidates like John Fetterman who are literally scrubbing their campaign websites to get rid of defund the police.

Mandela Barnes too. Yeah, exactly. When he used to be holding up a T-shirt that said exactly that very thing. So they recognize that it's hurting them politically, which is fascinating. No time like the present. Twenty five days until the midterm elections when they reach this sober reality. But I exactly what you said when you introduced us.

It is so refreshing to watch a football game and not have to worry about having to roll your eyes when half the sideline kneels during the national anthem. So there has been a great shift in this country away from that movement that once consumed the entire nation. Right. Do we want to do a more to know in the last block or we have now just just keep rolling. There's no more to know. We know it all. Yeah. I know that's Pete's philosophy. I did not know it was yours.

I'm done learning. Well, Joey Jones is in for Pete this weekend, right? He's in.

No, he's in for Will this weekend. Will, that's right. You are Pete. I'll be here. Right. It's OK. When we come back, more with Carly and Pete. It used to be just Carly, but now Pete's here. It's a good thing, as Martha says. Educating, entertaining, enlightening. You're with Brian Kilmeade.

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He'll make your head spin. It's Brian Kilmeade. This is the fire department where the event was being held just across the street. Right here is the car where my producer was parked. You can see glass on the ground. Someone threw a brick through the window. You can see the brick there shattered the glass. Another person got inside and tried to hotwire the vehicle and drive away with it. Again, the press was just right across the street.

There was probably at least a dozen people standing right here. None of us heard anything. We were getting set up for the press conference and it happened really in a blink of an eye.

None of us had time to react to notice what was going on until the producer noticed that someone had just smashed her car window. What? Hello. We're on the radio. Oh, we're back. OK. No, we're not back.

Oh, we are. All right. Did we play that sound bite? OK.

So you heard that, right? I didn't. I was a little distracted. I was just like some of the day.

We were just friends having a conversation. And the show started. All right.

So here we go. Hilary Vaughan is out. Hilary Vaughan was on covering a shoot and the fired apart at a big event and her car was broken into. I did hear about that.

I didn't at the event. And the event was about crime. Oh, and her car, someone threw a brick through her window and it was right next to where other reporters were. And like chaos is so constant that no one noticed that her rental car was broken into right at the event about crime. You've got to be kidding. Yeah, right. I mean, that's what's going on.

And, you know, she spends most of her time covering the president of the United States. The other thing to keep in mind, too, is since we if I was here in August, the number one story was abortion. And after Bill Roe v. Wade, what else is the Supreme Court capable of doing? They're going to get to take away same sex marriage and all this other stuff.

They're going to get to take away the same sex marriage and all this other stuff. And nobody's talking about that anymore. It's the highest I've seen. It is fifth on anyone's list of things they care about.

I believe that this red wave is re primed. It's it's not a hope. It's not a fear. I think it's a fact. I mean, do you?

I think it's a fact. I mean, do you see how much they're spending on ads that focus on abortion? And it's so fascinating because the number one, two and three issue are the economy.

And then you get to crime and then you get to education. And then there's some sort of like, you know, democracy in hangs in the balance type polling in there as well. But abortion is really slipping. And it is an issue that when you when you look at who cares about the issue, you you always think that the people that are being polled saying that it's so important to them are pro choice people. But there are a lot of pro lifers that are undercounted when it comes to where that is in there.

And they were organized over the last 50 years. Yeah. That came across on the show this morning when we were asked asked about abortion. The gentleman says, yeah, because I'm pro life. So when you talk about threats to democracy, there's plenty of conservatives that feel like what the socialists and others are doing is a threat to our republic. Yes.

So they can cut in both directions. You want you want to hold an election where one side says it's abortion January 6th and the weather meaning climate change as their top issues versus crime, inflation, the border and what happens in your kids school. Good luck, Brian. I was with you. I feel like the media was was just cheerleading for a change in the narrative. So much so that they the blue check marks created an environment where some of us doubted whether or not a wave like this was possible. And it was always a mirage from what that they created, that people were interested in those topics.

They came and went. When people vote, they're going to vote for things that really affect them. I think it will bode well for Republicans. So you just have your book out. My paperbacks coming out October 25th, November 12th and 13th. I'm going to be in Brandon, Mississippi. Let's go to Brandon. And then we're going to on Sunday, go to Tulsa, Oklahoma. And on December 2nd, I'm going to be in Newark, New Jersey at the New Jersey Performing Arts Center. And the question is, will Carly Shimkus and Pete Hegseth be joining me?

Carly, you're 50-50 on this, right? Because you might be moving. Well, I may be in labor, but I also am moving. So depending on those two things. What kind of excuses are those? I mean, labor, that's three months early. I was exaggerating a little bit.

For dramatic effect. I am moving, though. I am moving right around that time. But I do think I'm so flattered that you would even want me to join. And you know how I would, because what we do is I try to take all the books, the history books. But now instead of just rolling tape and giving you an idea what it's about, I bring them to life with actors who have no experience, but want to recreate key moments in passages in this book, whether it's Sam Houston, the Alamo Avengers, George Washington, Secret Six, Thomas Jefferson, Triple E Pirates.

And to be able to talk to you about your book, The Battle for the American Mind, which we'll talk about after, I've asked Pete to possibly join us in one of those moments to bring to life American history. Brian, I am so nervous about this. Is it a yes?

It's a 100% yes. Friday night, December 2nd, I'll be there with you. I'm going to do whatever you tell me to do, which is really scary. Play him.

A prominent person in American history. Play him. He's been talking about it. So are we talking costumes as well? Oh yeah. Oh wow. And I don't think people move on Friday night, Carly.

I am the perfect thing for Carly too. And I got you probably more than one. Because now I realize, Allison, you saw the last one. Instead of just doing, how many did we do last time? We did two? By the way, when I first brought it up, Pat O'Rourke and Rick Thatcher helped me out.

The MC comic that opens. And they were all in, but a lot of people were like, I don't think that's going to work. It was so overwhelming.

Allison, be honest. In Albany, how did it go? It was very entertaining. You're also forgetting that you've known Pat and Rick since you were a child.

So it's like high school, grandma's friends, they're having a good time. But I think you'd blend right in there, both of you, Carly. I stole it from Mike Rowe.

It's Six Degrees, where he walks in and out of history to talk about how everything's related. And I said, how great would that be on stage? So what roles would you choose for Pete?

Or do you not want to reveal this? No, more roles. We need Carly. I got Carly with the Tripoli Pirates.

I'm joining forces with you, Brian, to recruit Carly Shimpers on stage. But we'll talk after about your book and everything. And then you have an opportunity to buy the book.

Very cool. And get it number one again. We'll do it.

Is New Jersey ready for you? Because they just lost you. They did, but I'll come back. You'll come back.

You moved. Okay, I will do it. There we go! All I have to do is get that in writing. Not that I don't trust the radio show and a commitment that we could play back.

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