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As we close out Holy Week and on this Good Friday, the ACLJ is still fighting for you. Live from Washington DC, Sekulow Live. Phone lines are open for your questions right now.

Call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Jordan Sekulow. Hey folks, welcome to Sekulow and on this Good Friday, we put together a show for you, kind of a best of this week, as most of you will be in some kind of services for Good Friday or you're with family.

This is a time though, we know some of you are traveling, some churches and places of worship are reopened, some are not, some is virtual, but we wanted to put together for you because we talked about a lot of issues this week on Sekulow. From the China-Iran deal, a multi-billion dollar deal over 25 years that also involves China with disregarding any kind of sanctions that exist because they know no one's going to apply the sanctions to China. They're going to buy their oil from Iran, so it's not even the billions of dollars that China's going to give Iran, it's also that they're going to start buying the Iranian oil, which has a very small market because it's so difficult to legally buy it because of all the sanctions that are in place.

But if you're China, you disregard that, so we're going to get into that on today's broadcast. We're going to get into the crisis at the border. We talked about it extensively on Sekulow, but especially over the last few weeks and as things just continue to get worse, you need to get updated on what's happening on our own southern border.

Because what happens on our own southern border? Is it just going to affect those of you who live in Texas or California, New Mexico, who are border states or Arizona? It's going to affect people deep inside the country when they start doing the program again. They're already starting to do this to some extent where people, they load people into buses and drop them off in random towns and cities. And it won't all be in Texas and the southwest and the border states.

It's going to happen all across the country. And a lot of times they choose small towns to do that. The vaccine passport issue and the fallacy of using the word passport, they are trying, and again we're going to get into this today on the broadcast as well, they're trying to make you think, oh well this is about international travel and if you've done a lot of international travel and you know, maybe you've done mission trips where you've gone to countries where you need to get certain shots and you have to show that you've gotten those shots to go. I've certainly had to do that for our international work. So they're talking about that.

You think you're talking about that? No, they're talking about going to your local grocery store. They're talking about going into a business in your own state. And then of course the complications of if you're going to a different state. What do they require for purposes of travel?

A blue state versus a red state. Florida has already announced we're not going to do this. Well, that's wonderful, but if New York says they are, what do you do if you're a Floridian that needs to go to New York? What do you have to have?

What do you have to prove? And so how will we reopen our country when we put these kind of restrictions in place? We're going to get to all of this today on Sekulow. So I encourage you, if you missed any of the broadcast this week, if you're traveling in your car right now on Good Friday, if you're listening again, wherever you're listening across the country or around the world, you will get up to speed on all the issues we've been covering so that when we come back next week after Easter, after Easter Sunday, on Monday, you're going to be totally up to speed with the issues we've been focused on and what we're doing about it at the American Center for Law and Justice. We take action whenever we can, and we're an action-oriented organization. We're not a news broadcast.

We don't just talk about these issues and analyze the issues. We get involved, and so we talk about that today on the broadcast as well. You know, we had on this Good Friday, I have to thank so many of you.

I mean, I want to take some time. Yesterday was a really packed-in broadcast. I said thank you, but I really want to take some time right now to thank our donors. You know, we asked you to participate in our matching challenge month of March, and we explained to you how important it was so that we could continue to grow as an organization.

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Reliable partners, what they're trying to become. So China's agreed to invest $400 billion in Iran over the next 25 years in exchange for oil to fuel its economy, which by the way is still growing. The deal will deepen China's influence without question both in Iran, but of course also in the Middle East region generally. That's why the United States' policy was trying to isolate. They didn't do this under the previous administration, the Chinese government. They're brazen enough to do it now because there's no consequence. President Biden, as you recall, offered to resume negotiations.

Remember he wanted to get right into that. The Chinese have now said, no, no, no. The Chinese with the Iranians are saying this, get rid of the sanctions, then maybe we'll come to the table. But we know they've been violating this agreement while other parties have been part of it. And Harry Hutchison is our director of policy at the ACLJ.

He's also a professor of law and economics. And Professor Hutchison, I look at the $400 billion, which over 25 years is not that much money. It doesn't get them out of the economic problem, but it starts a process.

Absolutely. So in some sense, you can look at this particular deal as a catalyst for future development long run. But to be sure that China-Iran deal, which is worth $400 billion over 25 years, will deepen China's influence in the Middle East. But it's highly doubtful that this deal will significantly improve Iran's struggling economy. Remember, Iran is trying to recover from crippling sanctions as a result of the United States' decision during the Trump administration to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal.

So first, let me suggest that this deal likely signifies what has already been going on. In other words, China has already been trading with Iran, buying its oil either on the black market or through other avenues. Second, accepting the deal at its face value would mean an increase in per capita GDP of only about $150 per capita in Iran. Third, the Iranian economy in 2020 was estimated at around $610 billion in terms of GDP.

And since 2018, when the U.S. left the Iran nuclear deal, the Iranian economy has been cratering at a rate of 5 to 20 percent a year with a rise in inflation, a rise in unemployment, and a rise in unrest, which threatens the hegemony of the Iranian leaders. Also, we should not feel good about the fact, well, it's only $400 billion because this is the Chinese Communist Party, Andy, and this is part of a long play here, and they know exactly what they're doing to buy their influence, and they're not going to give the Iranians a billion dollars upfront. They're not going to do that. This is how they're going to do it. I'm not going to say here's $400 billion rather upfront.

Here it is. No, they'll give you $20 billion over the course of time, and then another $20 billion, but they can supplement it very easily. Oh, they've got the cash and the ability to do it.

I mean, there's no doubt about that. They have the financial ability to make themselves felt throughout the world and to realign the autocracies, which is surprisingly what the New York Times has said. China wants to lead a new world order.

And they're doing a very good job of putting that plan into operation. President Biden notwithstanding saying that that's not going to happen on his watch, that we're the most powerful country in the world, the U.S., we're the wealthiest, and we're going to continue to grow and expand. But look what the Chinese are doing with the Iranians. I mean, this is contrary to what the President in his isolation, it seems to me, mental isolation, is trying to signify.

It's not going to happen. The Chinese are moving and strengthening day by day. Will Haines, our producer, pointed out this.

It's not so much the money. It's the 25-year commitment, Jordan, that the Chinese are playing here. Now, we've been to Beijing. We know that regime a little bit, just from legal issues and UN work and over the years.

They play long ball here. They've got a plan. When we started doing work in Africa, you said the Chinese were building villages and towns in Africa. They'll do the same thing in the Middle East if they can.

Yeah, exactly. They take over, put in their own workers and employees. But I think that here is where you have to start looking at it. How is the United States to undermine the Chinese? So how do you make these countries realize that you can't make a 25-year deal with the Chinese Communist Party?

Because at any moment, they are not as stable as they may appear to be. At any moment, they could have, again, popular uprisings, lose control domestically. But you have to speak up about Taiwan.

You have to speak up about Hong Kong. If you let those issues develop the way they have been developing, you let them steamroll their own people, commit genocide in part of their region, and you're not coming after them with international criminal court subpoenas and trying to arrest their officials as they travel around the world. You're not putting in place the sanctions that are available on their activities with Iran. I think the U.S. has to look at a very hard-line policy to make it clear to the world that you can't trust the Chinese with a 25-year deal or even a 5-year deal. But right now, they do look stable.

They do look like you can. And they are looking more and more, I'd say, slick, if you want to use just a basic word. You can tell that they have a more developed foreign policy and a more educated team going around the world, and they're handing out money as they go. You know, it's interesting because Zarif, which this is not any great shock, who's their foreign minister, was very close with John Kerry. I think Kerry still views him as an ally. I think he's just, you know, look, the Iranian people are great.

The government is not. Here's what Zarif said, China is a friend for hard times. The history of cooperation between two ancient cultures of Iran and China date back centuries. Signing the cooperation agreement will further strengthen the ties of these two nations. Those are the words of the foreign minister, Harry, of Iran.

Absolutely. And I think he is right, at least in one respect, that this is a long-term strategic deal. Meanwhile, in the United States, we are not taking at least sufficient action to counter the deal. And one of the ways of taking sufficient action to counter the deal is by reducing U.S. dependence economically on China, which then weakens the Chinese economy and helps put the United States first. But the Biden administration has reversed a lot of Trump's policies, and hence the United States is actually in a weaker negotiating position. I'm going to suggest this, that after the radio broadcast today, Jordan, that we get in touch with our office in Washington.

We've got some new people that have joined us up there. James Rokas, who worked, was a high-ranking official in the Commerce Department, and others. Because commerce is what this is about for them. This is business.

And business means control and means governmental influence. That's what this is. And we need to have a unit within the ACLJ that's focusing on China in a very significant way. Because I think this is a serious – I mean, every day it's something new. Yeah, every day.

Every day. So they're launching domestically and in their region, they're displaying more and more military firepower and putting it on display for the world. And then also, they're taking out a foreign policy. Where is our foreign policy? Where is our State Department?

Where is Blinken? Oh, they're being told off in Alaska at conference tables by lower-ranking officials than the foreign minister. That's who's coming to meet with the United States now. They're not sitting in the foreign minister.

They're sitting in lower-ranking officials, and they're being told off on camera. This was not where China was 20 years ago, and it wasn't where any country was that was trying to do business with Iran so clearly. And they weren't treating us this way. They would have never pulled this deal with Iran under the previous administration. I just can't imagine. No way.

No way. Because the previous administration did not provide them with the stability they needed to make these kind of plans. They kept them on their toes constantly. And I think that people – you know, people say, oh, the Trump administration, I was tiring to see kind of how everything was handled in the media. But think about what that did to the world. Those guys couldn't make decisions for 20 years. They were trying to figure out 20 minutes because they saw what President Trump did with Turkey. They saw how he handled Erdogan and his team and threatened to cut them off completely. And that's a NATO ally.

So what would you do to an adversary? Right. And what do you care about debt? Remember, we were having that conversation. Say, who cares if we have debt to China? We'll just never pay it. Right.

You think that was good for their economy when we said we'll just forget that this debt even exists? That's the kind of thing we need to start looking at again. We'll be right back.

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Give a gift today online at ACLJ.org. The Biden administration is now projecting that the numbers of unaccompanied children, and these are usually teenagers, crossing the border could spiral from more than 16,000 this month to as many as 26,000 by a month starting in September. There's still no plans for the Vice President to go down to the border. What is clear, and this is becoming more evident every day because Jen Psaki gets asked the question and has no answer, and that is when is the Vice President who's been put in charge of this going down there? Joining us right now is Senior Counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice. He heads up our Senior Counsel for Global Affairs, Mike Pompeo, former Secretary of State and Director of the CIA. So, Secretary Pompeo, let me ask you this. The Biden administration, I think, is going to ramp up something, and that's going to be blame the Trump administration, what you all were doing.

Jay, that seems like their only recourse at this point. Their policies have really created craziness down on our southern border. It took us a little while to get it fixed from what we were handed from the Obama administration, frankly.

It took us a number of months to get it right. We had the courts throw out some of the early work we did, but in the end, we had delivered a foreign policy outcome that protected America, stopped drugs and traffickers and cartels from honing in on these people who are so vulnerable trying to make the walk from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. And we had delivered a national security solution for the United States of America. They upended it. They flipped the switch without thinking about it, without thinking about the repercussions of this. They thought, well, that's a Trump and Pompeo policy. We're going to walk away from that thing. It is now showing that we had it right. We had the right end of the stick on this thing we had protected and defended America, and they're refusing to. You know, and now the numbers are dangerous for our country.

It's always a problem, but you reach critical mass. Now, here's what I don't understand. We were talking about this internally, Mike, and that's this. Jen Psaki yesterday, can I play this again? Let's go ahead and play it again. It was asked specifically about the vice President, Vice President Harris, going down to the region because she's now in charge of the policy.

Take a listen, everybody. Do you have an update on whether the vice President plans to travel to Central America or to the border as part of her looking into the root causes of the immigration problem? I don't have an update on her travel, but since you gave me the opportunity, it's important to understand and know that she is focused on addressing root causes in the region. And so travel, I would expect, would be there. The border and expediting processing at the border, opening shelters, ensuring we're moving kids out of border patrol.

I'm going to jump in there. Secretary Pompeo, I need a translator for what she's saying because, you know, the root problem. Well, the root problem is we changed our policies.

Yeah. When you hear progressive leftists talk about root causes, whatever form it's in, you know they're talking about something fundamentally different than the problem truly at hand. The root cause here that she's thinking of is something that's happening in Central America or something that's happening in Mexico. The root cause of the problem here is what's happening in the West Wing today. It's that the United States has made a fundamental decision to welcome illegal trafficking across our border to do nothing to stop it, to put our men who are serving in ICE and CBP, folks that went down to Mexico and saw it with great frequency. The President traveled down there. Everybody from our senior leadership went down to try and solve this problem.

We ultimately got it done right. When you hear them refer to root causes, you know they have no seriousness about actually addressing what really caused the current surge at our border. The impact of not having the border security wall continue, is that significant? Yes, walls matter.

Walls matter from a physical perspective and they matter from a deterrence perspective. Remember one of the important things here, Jay, is that you have to make clear that people aren't going to be welcome to travel here unlawfully. If they see a green light, if they call their friends, if they text their friends who are here and say, yes, come one, come all, they will, you have to convince them. You have to make the case that you're not going to be permitted to come in here unlawfully.

When you do, you can turn it off. You can convince these people not to make the inhumane trek across that Mexican terrain. You know, I've got two military men here. We've got Colonel Wes Smith and then Mike Pompeo also served, of course, in the military.

I want to run a question to Colonel Smith for a moment and then I'm going to run the same question to Secretary Pompeo. And that is, we talked about this earlier, the use of military facilities to house these children and the impact that could have on military readiness, Wes. Yeah, I mean, you know, the military, as I said earlier, the bases are not designed for this. Does the military help out in humanitarian crisis? Yes, of course, but there are limited facilities on bases and these facilities have other uses. And you might be able to put migrants in there for a while, but generally the places they use are barracks and other gathering facilities that are used for pre-deployment of troops and redeployment of troops.

So, Mike, I was going to ask you the same question because you had to deal with this in logistics and the military. I mean, because they have no other options, apparently, they're proposing using military bases to house thousands of these kids. I think Colonel Smith has it exactly right.

We looked at this as well. It doesn't make any sense except as an extremist matter for a temporary period of time, but that means you have to have the policy right. If you have the policy wrong, it's neither an extremist nor temporary, but in fact, your agenda, it's what you're trying to achieve. And so to use these facilities for purposes they were not built, not intended, and which put at risk our soldiers from viruses and all the things that we know may be a real risk makes no sense. I regret that they've chosen to go down this path. I regret even more that they will have to continue to fill up more military facilities if this crisis continues. What would you do if you were in charge? What would you do right now?

That's pretty straightforward. We had it right. I'd go back to the set of policies we had. We had remained in Mexico. We had a series of protocols. We had agreements with the Mexican government. This was highly negotiated at the most senior levels, the most senior diplomatic levels. Myself, a gentleman named Counselor Orico Brechpiel, we worked, and our CBP friends at ICE and DHS, all of us worked together to deliver a holistic solution that was humane and protected and preserved in America.

They ought to simply go back to that. I'm convinced that the leadership in Mexico and Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala would accept that. We ought to go back and make the case to them and get back to where we were.

This would be the most humane, decent thing to do for everyone concerned. Let me switch gears to China and Iran because we analyzed yesterday, and we're doing a much deeper analysis, of this new deal that was signed between the Chinese government and the Iranians, $400 billion over a 25-year period. How dangerous is this deal? And, you know, China's always trying to exert its influence now into the Middle East. This is a fundamental fallout from an administration that has now chosen to take a different path with Iran. The Chinese talked about this deal while we were in office, but they didn't sign it because they knew they would have, by transferring this wealth, this resources, doing this deal, they would have violated U.S. sanctions and that we would have held them accountable for violating those sanctions. The majority of those sanctions, by the way, are still in place. I hope the administration will begin to sanction Chinese officials for violating current U.S. law. Look, the connection between the two, it will essentially be Iranian oil for Chinese money, resources, and military power. Jay, you'll remember the arms embargo that was part of the crazy nuclear deal, the JCPOA, expired after five years. It's over.

We did snap back. We continued to extend it, and the administration, in its first 60 days, undid that. So now the Iranians are free to buy Chinese weapons systems and to sell the Chinese crude oil.

This is really a step backward for the Middle East peace and stability and for the security of the American people. Secretary, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Senior Counsel for Global Affairs for the ACLJ, thanks for your analysis. As always, thanks, Mike. Thanks for being with us.

Thank you, sir. So long, Jay. You know, I want to say, as we get ready to close this broadcast or this segment out, we're here for another 30 minutes. So if you don't get the full hour of the broadcast, go over to ACLJ.org.

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Welcome back to the broadcast. We're taking your calls at 800-684-3110, 1-800-684-3110. A crisis at the border, 26,000 by September coming each month, unaccompanied minors.

This is a significant number. And these unaccompanied minors are used by these coyotes, these cartels, Andy, to bring harm to other parts of the country. That's exactly right, Jay. The purpose of this illegal immigration is to bring in teenagers, children, whatever, for sex trafficking purposes, as mules to carry drugs, to spread crime and gang violence throughout the United States. This is part of the plan to undermine our democracy by these smugglers.

Call them coyotes, call them whatever you want to. But what they are is facilitators of illegal immigration for purposes of committing crime. These are racketeers of the first order, and we are not doing anything that we need to do that the Trump administration did, the Biden administration is not following.

Under current policies, the government is facing unheard of numbers of migrant children illegally crossing the border this fiscal year from 159,000 to 184,000. And they're up to no good. And, Logan, they know they're going to be asked about visiting the border or having senior officials down there. Senators have gone down, that's the only reason you're getting any photographs, and they won't do it, and they won't commit to do it, and they know it's hurting them politically. Yeah, I think the press is upset because they're not getting any sort of journalistic freedom in this and access to actually see what's happening. The only photos that have come out are really those that have been leaked, bad that you said, by either members of our own government or by other sources who have come out and leaked these photos. We aren't seeing a lot of official. Now they're starting to see some official photos being released. But, again, they're plummeting in the polls on this, so I don't understand why they think this is the way the American people want to see it. They want to know the truth, what's happening. If we can't acknowledge the truth, we can't move on and figure out what it is that we can do to help stop this problem that's happening.

You can spin media however you want, but just ignoring the problem, it's simply not going to work, and it never does. Harry, there's an economic consequence to this. We're going to get it into it in greater detail in the next segment. But let's be realistic. When you're talking about 25,000, 26,000 unaccompanied minors coming into the United States a month by September, tens of thousands now, this has economic consequences.

Absolutely. So, unmistakably, there is a surging crisis at our border, and all of the skill and all of the education of Press Secretary Psaki cannot hide that fact from the American people. The key economic question is what will be the long-term economic impact on the United States? And if we are going to discuss that particular question, we need to be able to distinguish between two groups, illegal immigration, which is surging, and legal immigration. So often Democrats, when they talk about immigration, they talk about legal immigration. Well, no one really opposes legal immigration. So the key question is what are the economic effects of illegal immigration? According to an organization called FAIR, in 2017, the cost of illegal immigration into the United States was approximately $116 billion. But even that burden understates the real impact because the impact is borne disproportionately by border states in contradistinction to states that are located outside of the border area. We're going to get into this in greater detail, and there will be more dollars impacted when, in fact, you have more numbers.

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Take part in our matching challenge today. You can make a difference in the work we do, protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms that are most important to you and your family. Give a gift today online at ACLJ.org. Only when a society can agree that the most vulnerable and voiceless deserve to be protected is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice to defend the right to life. We've created a free, powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn.

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Request your free copy of Mission Life today online at ACLJ.org slash gift. I just want to remind people too, if you've listened to this broadcast, you know, but if you're a new listener, we have for years called for comprehensive immigration reform to deal with the people who are here, who have been here for decades illegally, to get them out of the shadows and figure out whether or not they should be on a pathway to permanent residency, some to citizenship, these DACA programs. And Republicans have been willing to go to the table. You know who's not willing to go to the table? Democrats, liberals, the far left too. And what is their excuse? Well, you don't want to legalize enough people. You don't want to open it up, you know, give enough. Now they're saying we need reparations for migrants.

I mean, this is, this is, this is the absurdity. So you'll never get to actually helping anybody. No one will ever be helped because it just wants to hang out there as a partisan issue. It's the worst of the worst of politics on display.

We got a lot of phone calls on this, so I want to get to them. But I just wanted to remind you, we're not a group that's opposed to immigration reform. We're a group that supported it over and over again. President Trump had it on the table. It was Democrats who scuffled it, said, no, we're not going to go there. And they, they filibustered it. That would have put about, I think, 11 million people who were here illegally, but had spent the majority of their life here as children, who came here as children, did nothing on their own wrong. Their parents may have broken the law, but they, they're minors when they got here, lived their whole life here, but didn't have social security numbers, were here illegally.

A lot of them, you know, didn't even speak the language, necessarily speak Spanish or wherever they came from. And they were going to be put on pathways. And who stopped, who stood in the way?

Democrats. Because it wasn't enough. It's never enough.

So there's no compromise on the issue. And what they want to do is something no one, they don't actually put forward an actual plan. It's just, oh, your plan is not good enough.

Your plan won't do enough. Let's go back to the phone. Stacey in North Carolina online for Hey Stacey. Yes, hi.

Yes, hi. I would like to ask, how can we hold this administration accountable? Can we, you know, they're not sending down the armed forces down there, but they're spending all their time, like you said, sticking teeth and trying to fill up a fantastic, aggressive policy. They say the American people get forward all the election controversy. Joe Biden's the President. He's setting the policy and Vice President Harris there.

Okay. Like it or not, that's the truth. So they're in office. You're not going to hold him legally accountable for bad policies. Policies that don't work are not illegal. It's what Americans, you know, they didn't like Donald Trump's harsh language on immigration and on the wall.

Well, this is what you get at exchange. Three year olds being tossed over. Five year olds being tossed over. Probably to a life of a horrendous life, by the way.

Hopefully not. I pray not because they were, the border patrol was able to go save those kids. But then what happens to them next?

You just have to hope and pray that whoever you give them custody to is the right people. It isn't drug traffickers and sex traffickers and human smugglers. That their life, you know, as tough as it might have been, where they came from, they don't deserve that life.

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This is an interesting call too. Bill in Montana on Line 5. Hey Bill, welcome to Sekulow.

Thanks for taking my call. My question is what has happened to Mexico in this? They had a strong alliance with the Trump administration to stop this surge at the border and it was working and now it seems to have disappeared.

Well, I think because you had a change in administration policies, Harry. I mean, so the President there, President Obrador, doesn't have the same incentives to deal with the Biden administration that way, to work together. Yes, and the President of Mexico has accurately labeled President Biden as the migrant President. So he recognizes that President Biden is prepared and has reversed policies that were working.

And so the President of Mexico is saying, well, then why am I going to expend resources and my prestige and reputation in order to protect a President of the United States who does not believe in Trump's policies? And so when we see toddlers tossed over a wall, a 14-foot wall, that represents the apex of what? Progressive policies that harm disadvantaged individuals throughout the world. From South Africa to the United States to Mexico to Latin America, when progressives are in charge, the disenfranchised people throughout the world suffer and then progressives use the suffering that they have caused to call forth greater government control.

Control of the lives of average working men and women, for instance, in the United States. And it's a very perverse system, a very perverse approach to life. So when we think about this, too, I think, Andy, this is what lawlessness, when your policy is lawlessness, when your policy is catch the illegal actor and then release them immediately, it's lawlessness. It is lawlessness, Jordan. That's exactly what it is. We had catch and return.

We don't have that anymore. Now we have catch and release into the United States and release them into any parts of the United States that you want to put them into. What do you expect is going to happen but lawlessness? These are innocent in many ways, like these three and five-year-olds from Ecuador that were thrown over the wall. They're children. They have their innocence.

They have no knowledge of right and wrong or evil or righteousness at this stake in their life. They're just trying to survive and to grow up. You take them and you're going to put them in some part of the country that I know is going to manipulate them and use them and exploit them in some fashion. It's inevitable. They don't have parents. They're going to have to be put in places that are not good for them ultimately, and that breeds lawlessness.

I've seen this happen in my years as a prosecutor. These kids don't stand a chance. We've got to admit that.

They don't stand a chance. No. Let's go back to the phones. Let's go to George and Marilyn, line three. Hey, George.

Yes. Good afternoon, Jordan and everyone there. I really appreciate it, ACLJ, and everything that you do and the information you share, and I try to support it as often as possible. I find myself getting so frustrated and frustrated about this and other topics. My blood is boiling. It's like, what do we do? We know the Democrats don't fracture. They stand together, and since they control the House, the Senate, and the White House, we point out all these issues, but what do we do? What do we do? We fight every step of the way. We inform everybody we can, and there's elections in less than two years.

And while that won't be for President, you could certainly change the makeup of the House and the Senate, which are right on the margins, which will make it very difficult for President Biden and Vice President Harris to continue with these policies if there is a change in the House and the Senate. Don't forget that. You cannot give up fighting for your country. These are bad moments. We lived through eight years of bad policies that were just like this. It was called the Obama-Biden years.

We're now living in the Biden months, the first months of Biden, and he's doing the same thing, even at a more extreme pace, by the way, I would say. And there's good people out there that want to help. I mean, Joanne in New York on Line 1, let's take Joanne's call. Welcome to secular, Joanne. Hi, I'm Joanne from New York, and my question is, how can a Christian parent maybe take in a child or two?

I have ample room at my house. They're not going to let you, is the problem. So, I mean, you know, to get to that point of this, they'd already have to go through and figure out, do they have any family here? Do they have any relatives here whatsoever?

Is there anybody there? Should they be sitting there? Of course, you want them first united with parents. If there's a mother or father here, you would want them united, but are those really the mother and father?

They're talking about doing genetic testing. So, unfortunately, people who have joined that first reaction, if I would take some of these kids in, people who do foster programs already, who know how to do this and are prepared to do it, they have no way of helping. So, it's the federal government's responsibility to manage this, to get it under control, and then to make sure it doesn't continue to get worse and continue at this pace. There will always be people who try to cross the border illegally.

Always. But it should not be at this level. It should be much more difficult to do so.

And the ramifications for those who are the coyotes and smugglers, we need to work with our partners like Mexico and these other countries and make sure there are serious criminal punishments for human traffickers. That's what they are. Children traffickers. Think about that.

Think about that as we go into the next break. Trafficking children is what they are doing. And their own countries need to be putting them in jail. Serious consequences. And it's no longer just about getting paid the $5,000 of money from these families. So, hopefully, their kids may survive a trip up to the U.S. border, then get thrown over, where it could have all ended right there if those kids fell on the wrong way. So, again, we'll take your phone calls.

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I want to get into this issue with Trump, the interviews, but I do want to take calls on the vaccine issue. This is an interesting call. Stacey in Oregon on Line 1. Hey Stacey, welcome to Sekulow.

You're on the air. Thank you gentlemen. Thank you Stacey. I have a question about why we couldn't just continue to provide testing for travelers using proper PPE, provided testing right before we travel with our regular passport. I don't understand why they're trying to force us to buy yet another passport.

Well see, this is not the thing Stacey. You're talking about, this is not about international travel. Stacey, this is talking about you literally having to have another document to conduct business even in your own state. So we're talking about travel like down the street to the gas station, to be able to walk inside the grocery store, to be able to go inside the concert hall, to be able to go inside or your kids to go to school and inside the school building in the fall when school is hopefully, you know, reopens everywhere.

What will they be requiring? So this is not even what you need to do to cross state lines, though that will certainly become one of the issues too because some states have already come out and said, no way we're not going to do this. Florida has already said we're not doing this. But what if a citizen in Florida needs to go visit family in New York?

You know, things are reopening. Who is going to issue what? And New York requires this, this, and this. So does Florida issue it? Does New York issue it? A private business issue it?

Something you got to buy? This is when you get into issues, Andy, that become so complicated legally and it becomes very difficult for people to comply with. That's right, Jordan. And a lot of these issues raise matters of constitutional proportions because the Constitution of the United States says that each citizen is entitled to the privileges and immunities of all citizens. As you said earlier in the broadcast, this is the United States of America. We don't put up barriers and borders.

We call them boundaries between states. And so what are we going to have? People at border patrol saying, let me check your card to see if you can go from Atlanta to Nashville to see whether or not you're allowed to travel. This is the kind of misguided thing that the Biden administration had just laid out there. And what worries me is when they use the words, we're going to let the federal government said some baseline guidance.

That's code word for control. That's all that is. Larry's got an interesting question in Ohio, and I can actually see exactly what he's talking about. Hey, Larry, welcome to Secular. Hey, thanks, Jordan. I appreciate your letting me ask this question. I believe in what you guys are doing. I want to say God bless. Appreciate that. Thank you.

My biggest thing, and I have supported, I want to do more in the future. My question is, when I was stationed in Germany, we wound up having to go through checkpoints between countries to verify our passports and so forth. Are we looking at this kind of thing here between states? Yes, that's what we're talking about here, is that at the state level, from state to state travel, and even inside your own state, to be able to go into a building, to go into a private facility that has a sporting event, a concert, to go back into your office that you may work in, that you may have been working from home.

All of that at the local level. But I can also imagine a state like New York or California, a blue state, saying, we don't care what you're saying, Florida. In fact, you're so pro-freedom down there, if your people want to come up here, they're going to have to have this, this, and this. In a sense, Harry, forcing Florida to create this, even though Ron DeSantis has been so out front saying, absolutely not. But then what do you do when your citizens need to travel to another state that says you've got to have this, this, and this from your state or from some authority? I think you raise a very, very good question.

It's all about control. So ultimately, we may face the ironic situation that you cannot travel freely in the United States without a digital vaccine passport unless you can prove that you are an illegal immigrant. Because if you are an illegal immigrant, more likely than not, the rules in most states will be inapplicable. And you see that taking place with respect to making in-person learning available to illegals in California while denying in-person learning with respect to American citizens. So ultimately, it's about control. And at the end of the day, if you read the information that is out there on the internet, many on the left, they are fully embracing this.

Why? Because they want to be able to control the movements of conservatives. So at the end of the day, it's very, very possible if a digital passport is made possible for every single citizen, then it will be discriminatorily enforced.

And I think that will weaken our democracy. And before we say that could never happen in America, I remember when I lived on the West Coast and from time to time, I would drive from Washington State or Oregon down to California. They actually have border people going into California from those states demanding to know whether or not I'm carrying fruits and vegetables into the state of California. And during the height of the COVID crisis last spring and summer, I traveled to a town which shall go nameless in North Carolina. And at the city limits of the city in North Carolina, they had their police station stopping every car. And their question to me was, what business do you have here?

It sounded like the Gestapo in Germany. Yeah, I mean, this is what you have. You set up these states that are more on the blue side, and if they have blue state governors, Democrat governors to start implementing this, and yet you live in a red state that borders that state, then the mess becomes that much bigger. And of course, the actual, a lot of this would be litigated because it's not about whether or not you should or shouldn't get the vaccine and what's required for your business, for you to go back to work.

That's one thing. This is like, this is creating, oh, we want states to create the database or states to put in the regulations. We'll just have some guidelines for them. I think where you get into is you get into all the legal issues that can be raised at the, you know, up to the U.S. Supreme Court if necessary, but also how this could totally damp, put a damper on the reopening of America.

But do not, I want you to take away from this show one thing. When you hear vaccine passport, stop thinking international travel and start thinking about what Wes just talked about. Think about counties putting out their police forces, cities putting out their police forces, states putting out their police forces, asking the question, have you been vaccinated?

Do you have proof of that vaccination? What are you going to do here? Where are you planning to go? And then, of course, you know, you want to go to a concert. Have you, you know, what do you need to show for this concert? What do you have to take with this?

What do you have to do to go into your local grocery store? That's what they're talking about, but they're using the word passport to try and fool us, to try and fool you. From this moment forward, no longer be fooled if you've listened to this broadcast. We will get into this Trump thing on Facebook more on the broadcast, but needless to say, the fact that his daughter-in-law, who is now employed by Fox News, posted that she was going to interview him and then post it to Instagram and Facebook. And then she got the message, I'm holding my hand, from Facebook saying, if you do this, we're going to take it down because President Trump has not allowed our platforms, including new posts with President Trump speaking. Think about that. You can't post things of President Trump speaking or else it will be taken down and then your page might face further consequences and limitations. Remember, for our matching challenge, donate today, match, double the impact of your donation at ACLJ.org. We will talk to you tomorrow. Give a gift today online at ACLJ.org.