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Welcome to Sekulow. We have a packed show today for your Friday for Memorial Day. Will Haynes is joining me in studio. Mike Pompeo will be on later. Harry Hutchinson is going to be on. Rick Rinnell is going to be on. So we are packing this full of content so you have enough information.
Again, heading into your weekend. There's obviously been a lot of news right now, but of course, one of the ones we want to talk about right off the bat is that Harvard has once again sued the Trump administration, this time over the ban on allowing new foreign students to be a part of Harvard's student body. Now look, I think there's going to be a lot of conversation. We're going to really break it down with Professor Hutchinson or whether we even think this is something they should be allowed to do, whether we think this is a good thing, a bad thing. But in general, what it certainly is, is another moment where the Trump administration is being sued by Harvard because of the fact that they have told Harvard, we're going to start revoking these things until you get the antisemitism under control on campus.
That's right. So this is under the program, the Student and Exchange Visitor Program, which a university has to be certified for through the Department of Homeland Security and ICE in order to enroll students on student visas. So these are non-citizens that are coming to the United States for university programs or even employment programs.
So it could even be professors, but it's the Student Exchange and Visitor Program. And Kristi Noem sent a letter to Harvard yesterday making them aware that they are now decertified. And what this means in practicality is that they cannot enroll any new students on student visas, but also existing aliens on F or J non-immigrant status must transfer to another university in order to maintain that visa. And they are saying that this goes back to even April when the Department of Homeland Security asked for multiple things under looking into the antisemitism on campus, the safe environment that they're promoting on campus, and that Harvard was not complying. And then they even multiple times asked for this information again, pertaining to non-immigrant students enrolled at Harvard, including information regarding to misconduct and other offenses that would render these students inadmissible or removable. They didn't comply. They had multiple opportunities to, and as a consequence, Harvard has now been decertified by the Department of Homeland Security.
But the DHS also gave an opportunity for them to get recertified before the next academic year by complying with a list of information within 72 hours. Harvard has decided to sue instead of complying with the federal government of turning over information on individuals that are here that may have been conducting nefarious activities on a student visa. Harvard has decided to just sue the administration to try to block this instead of trying to help the administration root out bad actors.
The phone lines are open. I want to hear from you. What do you think about this? Again, another lawsuit coming in. Of course, this is coming on the heels of that brutal assassination of the couple in Washington, DC. And you know, I have been disgusted by so many of the comments that I've seen, by so many of the videos I've seen posted with people justifying this act of violence, this act of murder, this act of anti-Semitism, this act that is happening on the streets of America. I mean, it's shocking.
I'm sitting there, you know, kind of jaw-dropping every time another video shows up on my feed, another comment that I see of someone who is just sharing their support, the DMs that I've received for posting my horror of what's been happening in our own streets. We're going to play some clips also from the conversations that have been going on on the left media. You've seen some MSNBC commentary. That is unbelievable.
Very hard to watch. CNN. We're going to be talking about that coming up. 1-800-684-3110.
If you want to be on the air, 1-800-684-3110. That's going to be kind to our phone screeners. In our next segment, Harry Hutchison is going to be joining us. We're going to break down the legalities of this because look, just because we like it doesn't necessarily mean it's legal. So let's talk about what that looks like coming up.
A lot of you are just joining us. We need to restate what's going on. And that is that Harvard has suing the Trump administration for the Trump plan to revoke any additional international students and faculty and staff from joining Harvard. Of course, this comes because they said that they have not given them sufficient enough information to show that they are protecting the Jewish students on campus.
There's a lot of legalities, whether this can happen, whether this can't happen, regardless if you like it or not. There is some breaking news and that a judge just paused the Trump administration's move to halt Harvard's student visa program amid the university lawsuit that just came out from Fox News just a couple minutes ago. So even while we're in break, we're updating you what's going on. So of course you have another judge coming in doing what the judges have been doing and now blocking. Harry Hutchison is joining us. Harry, I think we need to be nuanced here.
I think we need to be talking about it because it's not just about what we like, what we hear. Sure, they're going to be blocking. They're standing up for the Jewish students, for the students that feel like they're being persecuted, feel like they are being attacked on campuses. And of course this comes on the heels of that assassination. But I do think we need to talk about the legality and where's really the road for this?
I think that's a brilliant question. So I think the real issue here is that the Department of Homeland Security in their letter blocking Harvard's participation in this student exchange program, they went too far. So if you read it carefully, it says the DHS is essentially excluding Harvard.
Why? Because of an unsafe environment that is hostile to Jewish students, Harvard promotes a pro-Hamas sympathy on campus and employs DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusion policies. So I think the latter part of the DHS letter has simply gone too far.
And so what does that do? It means that the good parts of the DHS letter with respect to protecting Jewish students can be safely ignored by a sympathetic district court judge. And I think that is precisely what has happened here. And so we did just get this order granting the plaintiff's motion for a temporary restraining order. Remember this revocation letter went out last night from the Department of Homeland Security.
Harvard filed their lawsuit this morning and they already got the TRO from the judge. I think maybe you can read into some of that what is in their complaint, particularly maybe saying they don't like policies that don't have to do with national security yet the Department of Homeland Security is taking away this. It does raise the question of something that we fight against here very often of viewpoint discrimination. If it is based off of them not liking a viewpoint discrimination, taking away something that has been given to them could be seen as retaliatory and unconstitutional in that manner. But you also have on the same side of this that what you brought up that much of it has to do with them trying to get information about the violation of civil rights of American students that are Jewish on campus at Harvard. And the federal government has a responsibility to weigh in when the civil rights of students are being violated under many sections of US code.
So when you look at this, Professor Hutchison, there is a, on the one hand, it can be a First Amendment free speech argument by the plaintiff here, but also the civil rights violations also you can punish a university that is not protecting Jewish students. Being pro-Hamas isn't just being pro-liberal or pro a political ideology that you disagree with. Being pro-Hamas is being pro foreign designated terrorist organization. And it also leads to the kind of violence that we saw sadly just less than 48 hours ago in Washington DC where two members of the diplomatic staff of Israel were murdered senselessly in the streets of DC.
I think you framed your question perfectly. So I think protecting the civil rights of Jewish students at Harvard should be a paramount consideration for the Department of Homeland Security. Protecting national security should be a paramount consideration. However, with respect to diversity, equity, and inclusion policies, we can argue that they are harmful, but they are not necessarily a national security threat. So by including that statement in its letter, I think the Department of Homeland Security has provided a basis for a judge to intervene. And if you look at the history of judicial intervention against the Trump administration, approximately two thirds of all district court injunctions in US history have been issued against Donald Trump and his administration. So I think it was a mistake, this is just my opinion, by the Department of Homeland Security to include that language because that provided a basis for judicial intervention.
And that's really what we look at. I'm seeing some of the comments going, well, why can't you guys rewrite it? Can you get involved?
Can you do something? Because our team does think a little bit differently. And look, I'm sure putting in some of those buzzwords from a marketing point of view is a good idea. But when it comes down to the law, sometimes decisions need to be made that are important.
So actual movement could happen. And like you said, you don't fall into some trap. You don't go and make these broad statements because they sound good. But then when it comes down to, again, what is legal and what is not legal, which is what we're talking about here, again, even if you agree or disagree with it, how the judicial system works, they'll step in it and have some issues. I do want to respond to a comment on Rumble that said they are not pro-Hamas, they are for a free Palestine.
There is a huge difference. That's what we seek to debunk just about every time we talk about this issue on this broadcast. You can say the same about the guy who murdered the people in the streets. Technically, he didn't say, yay, Hamas.
He said free Palestine and then murdered two people and then lied about it, tried to seek comfort until he had to fess up. This is what's happening. Again, you're right that we are trying to show that there isn't much of a difference here, that it all comes from the same source. Now, it doesn't mean we don't feel for the people in Gaza. It doesn't mean we don't support the humanitarian relief that I think they need.
Absolutely. But there is a systemic problem with that area of the world that has – and look, that's not like me saying something. That is a verifiable truth for the thousands of years.
But really, more recently, you could say even the last hundred years or so. And I think that if this individual really wants to hear more about that, go watch yesterday's broadcast. It's on Rumble, on YouTube, plenty of places to find it. And you'll hear a larger discussion about how what is happening on those campuses is not a free Palestine movement. It is a pro-Hamas movement. The leadership of Hamas are celebrating it on media. Look who's paying for these protests.
Look who's praying for them to happen. Yeah, you may say that individual student doesn't really understand. And look, I think largely that's true because I meet and talk with a lot of people. And I'm always trying to have open-minded conversations, even with some people yesterday who were telling me, you know, you understand, though, they didn't kill them because they were Jewish. And, you know, one of them wasn't even – you know, they go through all these things. They're killed because they worked for a country that they feel is wrong.
They're resistance fighters. You know, I have to, like, put my brain aside for a second to not just want to, you know, jump through my phone when I'm talking to people. But I do try to break it down.
I do try to go to the next level of that conversation because usually it falls apart very quickly because they don't really know because what they're being fed is talking points. They're going to these protests and they don't even know what they're protesting. And they certainly don't know who is funding it. And if they do know who's funding it, then that's a bigger issue. And that's some of the things that the Trump administration maybe should be looking at and talking about in this is the funding because a lot of this is coming from a place like the Muslim Brotherhood who are actually funding the protests on these college campuses.
I think that that is precisely correct. And I think that that is basically an object lesson for the Trump administration. Focus on the real enemy, the real target. And with respect to this specific letter by DHS, the real enemy, the real target is anti-Jewish conduct on the campus of Harvard. That's where the DHS should focus its ammunition. I was going to add to that as well is that if you look back at the history of things like the Muslim Student Association and things that are student groups on university campuses, they were directly funded and the American branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. So if you want to start talking about the broader real issue, it is a lot of foreign funding from radical groups that they don't just target the United States writ large, they go to the universities and they target the students.
So this individual can say that they're for Palestine, not for Hamas, but reality is we know a lot about the history. We've been studying it and working with it for a very long time. And that is the truth of the matter. You may not want to admit that to yourself, but look, I see the comments. I see the comments right now.
I know it. I know what you actually believe or you think you believe and it's all conspiratorial. It's all blood libel.
It's all things that have been a part of the conversation of being Jewish in this country for a very long time, but also around the world. You can see how this all creeped up under a hundred years ago. I can feel it for the first time in my life. The last few years, I can tell you in the last few weeks, it's even gotten worse.
Last 48 hours, it's gotten to me the worst because again, you're seeing justification and murder on the streets. Now we're going to keep this conversation going. We're also going to talk a bit with, we have a weekend. This week is Memorial day weekend.
We want to make sure we don't forget that as well. So we're going to talk to Mike Pompeo coming up in the next segment and Rick Rinnell is going to be joining us a little bit later. I would love to hear from you. We have a full bank open right now. You can give us a call at 1-800-684-3110. We'll be right back.
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That's once again, 1-800-684-3110. We are joined this segment by senior counsel for global affairs, Mike Pompeo, secretary Pompeo. There's been a lot going on. Obviously we're talking about the antisemitism that's happened on the streets now. We knew what was happening in the streets of America, but now it's escalated obviously in the last 48 hours.
You're from Kansas. So was Sarah, one of the two Israeli diplomats who was murdered in Washington, DC. I even saw videos of her dealing with antisemitism a decade ago in her high school where it had been, graffiti had happened with swastikas and a lot of profane antisemitic remarks. What are your thoughts though, on this?
I mean, it's a horrific story. We all know that, but how should we be addressing this now? A threat that I think a lot of us knew was there, but maybe wanted to not believe that was going to come to our streets as much as look, I mean, I have a son and we're planning his bar mitzvah. One of the first conversations we had to have was about security because we know the rhetoric has gotten so aggressive and the justification has gotten even as aggressive. And that's what I've seen the last 48 hours, last 24 hours is how quickly, again, unlike October 7th, which maybe took two weeks until they started blaming Israel.
This took about a day before the bloodshed was now justified. Well, this is really a sad event for the families, certainly for all Kansans and every American. But it's something that the United States has to deal with.
The challenge becomes, this is really too big for police forces. They clearly weren't able to protect these people, but this is so deeply embedded. This group of people hates Jews so much and they have been allowed to metastasize on our campuses. They've been allowed to grow their institutional frameworks.
They've had backing from people here in the United States and from elsewhere. This is something that is going to, a strategic response is going to have to take place across the country that has an educational component. It shouldn't be just you educating your children about risk to them. It should be all of us educating every child about the fact that anti-Semitism is radically unacceptable and that this idea somehow that you can morph being pro-Palestinian into being anti-Jewish, you can so degrade the value of human life in this way. And you're fighting for this cause that I'll bet this murderer would have been hard pressed to even articulate clearly. Fighting for this cause justifies violence at any level, let alone murder, something that we have to stamp out and punish. And it begins with our campuses and extends to every place in America. We have to stamp out any notion that there is a valid space for violence connected to whatever it is you call it, the pro-Gaza movement or the pro-Palestinian movement. It's just simply unacceptable.
Secretary Pompeo, I feel the same and I've tried to keep my cool when I'm talking to a lot of my friends who are maybe on the other side of the Israel Gaza situation. And what I quickly realized is if I push them one step outside of the headline, they usually have no idea what they're talking about. They have no information. They don't know who even the major players are. They are, all they're doing is puppeting what they're seeing, parenting, seeing what they're seeing on these college campuses or in the Instagram short posts they've seen. They're doing no research. They have no clue about the actual conflict. They've never been there. Unlike all of us. And until you've been there, I do think it's hard to be the commentator, but let's say you can comment.
That's fine. But have you seen that? I've seen that as well, which is their arguments fall apart so fast just because they're uninformed.
Yeah, no, that's it. They're uninformed. It's not that they're stupid, they're ignorant. And then you add their ignorance to the fact that many of them don't value human life.
They've come to be radicalized in that way. And so we, we sometimes think, oh, let's make a logical argument with them. Let's just be rational and they'll come to see that. A, they don't want to hear it because it's too complicated.
It's too hard. Israel bad, Palestine good, is all they know. And so that's the responsibility of all of us, including the faculty members that have actually advocated for this. They should be held accountable too. When crazy stuff comes out of the United Nations, like this storyline from, I guess it was just last week that there were 14,000 children going to starve tomorrow.
This is, this is not connected to reality, right? This is an anti-factual and that's where this has to begin with education, data and facts, and then we can reduce their ignorance. And I think when we do that, we will reduce the number of people who advocate for the destruction of Israel and the the abolition of the Jewish people, which is what this murderer was advocating for. And when you take this even back to the academic world as the Trump administration and during the previous Trump administration tried to push back on antisemitism in the United States in the way that these institutions allow it so rampantly to grow and beyond just speech, this isn't a speech issue. This is about encampments and taking over and intimidation and violation of civil rights of Jewish students who politically may be with the very people that are protesting them on many of the issues. They're at elite liberal universities. I mean, that's some of the odd irony here, but the way that the universities have pushed back at every step with even now this Department of Homeland Security was trying to cooperate with Harvard, trying to get information about some of the foreign students that were participating in this and they stonewall, stonewall, stonewall, and then file a lawsuit. How can the Trump administration or anyone try to work with these very entrenched universities when all they do is stonewall and file lawsuits to block them? Yes, I've seen what this ministry has tried to do. I applaud their efforts.
I think they've got it right. There will have to be real costs imposed on these institutions before they're going to do the necessary and the necessary is exactly what you described. We're not asking you to banish these ideas from your campuses. We're asking you to ask these students to conform the way you ask every student to conform. You can't threaten, you can't occupy a building, you can't take away the ability of any student, including a Jewish student's right to move across campus.
These are things that are unacceptable. No other movement would be permitted to do that and yet somehow this Palestinian cause had its own exception for all the things that are decent and right and so the Trump administration has to be direct. It has to make clear the expectations and it has to hold the university leadership and the university faculty accountable for the harm that they are doing to the United States and the risk that they're creating to the Jewish students on their campuses. It shows the amazing work you were able to do with the Abraham Accords but also how quickly all of that could fall apart and how quickly an administration that doesn't understand what they were doing can destroy that. Now obviously things have to be brought back up and we obviously thank you for your efforts and that was one of the best moments for me to see all of that come together.
But we also are heading into Memorial Day weekend before we wrap up. You wrote a new article on ACLJ.org called Keeping Faith with America's Fallen Heroes. It really puts everything in good perspective but what's your message for our listeners as we head into this weekend talking about those who continue to preserve our liberties and our freedoms? Oh, you know, I think one of the great things about America is that we don't ever forget and we have this special day, Memorial Day, but we do this pretty well and just ask to make sure that this next generation doesn't forget how much sacrifice there was from so many people, how many folks lost their lives or were injured or had loved ones sacrifice their lives. This is a common thing, a unity purpose, a united purpose for America, a strong capable American military supported by the American people, supporting the human beings that decide to wear the uniform and those who are working on behalf of the United States government to keep us safe. We should keep them in our minds not only on Monday of this week while we're all out having some fun but every day as well.
It's more than just saying thank you, it's about doing the things that help them and their families continue to lead successful lives and to remember all the sacrifice that they made for us. Thank you so much for joining us Secretary Pompeo. Read his article and more at ACLJ.org. We're going to be back with the second half hour if you don't get us on your local station. Find us broadcasting live right now on ACLJ.org, Facebook, YouTube, Rumble.
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Welcome to Sekulow. We've had a packed show. Will Haynes joining me in studio. We've already had Harry Hudson on. We already had on Secretary Mike Pompeo but now we're going to continue this discussion.
We got to reset a little bit for those of you who are just joining us in the second half hour don't know what we're talking about. We're talking about Harvard once again. Throw the lawsuit at the Trump administration because the Trump administration said hey you haven't done enough to secure the safety of your Jewish students due to all the protests, the anti-Israel protests that are happening on campus. Therefore we're going to start revoking things including allowing students and faculty from outside of this country to be a part of Harvard. Now Harvard sued back.
We discussed whether we thought you go back you should listen to the segment we did with Professor Hutchinson because we break down whether we think that this is not necessarily whether we agree with it or disagree with it but whether this is legal or not. We've already have a judge that has stepped in and said no pause you can't do this you can't revoke their access. No shocker here Will as those judges have always gotten involved in a Trump situation.
That's right. There is a temporary restraining order that was granted for the plaintiff so right now they cannot move forward with implementing the revocation of the status or decertifying of Harvard but there is a hearing date now for May 27th so early next week on Tuesday the judge just after the holiday will have a first hearing about this and in that they will hear really what the government side is why the members of Harvard's and their legal team believe that that this isn't legal for them to do and we'll go from there but right all of a sudden you have an order last night a lawsuit filed this morning and very quickly that temporary restraining order. Now this is a different situation than like a nationwide injunction because this is a very specific policy and there is a very specific plaintiff that has the alleged harm here and that is Harvard so it's not even this temporary restraining order isn't you cannot do anything to any university in the United States so even that case about the universal nationwide injunctions that the Supreme Court's hearing wouldn't have an effect over this type of temporary restraining order because it is specific to this case and it is in the district court for the district of Massachusetts so that's a place that we are familiar with as we have a suit up there as well that just survived a first attempt of a motion to dismiss by the state of Massachusetts but we're still in court up there as well. Yeah absolutely not necessarily always the most friendly court to those with Christian or conservative values but you know we'll see where it heads for the Trump administration and of course that's because Harvard is right there. Look we only got about a minute and a half left till we go to the next segment we're gonna take some of your calls coming up actually a little earlier than usual we'll take them in the next segment because I think you also need to hear we want we want to share an ACLJ victory so you're gonna be excited to hear this one let's talk about that in the next segment we'll bring it up but so stay tuned you're gonna like this one this one again sometimes these victories happen very quick this is one of those ones you may have heard about earlier this week and we were able to resolve it and get it handled and get it handled so quickly and you're gonna enjoy this why you support the work of the ACLJ it's why you donate it's why you give when you can it's why you become an ACLJ champion because when you do that we're able to mobilize our team so quickly that a lot of times our clients we don't have to get it to court because they get so scared shaking in their boots when they get a letter a demand letter with our headler you know with our top of our our paper that says the American Center for Law and Justice letterhead letterhead that's the word I was looking for thank you you know I'm just talking ahead ahead of myself there letterhead ACLJ letterhead they see it and they start shaking in their boots and they cave immediately it happens a lot sometimes a little disappointing you want to go to court you want to do the job but you know what it's great for our clients so we're gonna talk about that when we come back it's a little positive news but we're also going to show you what is happening on our media right now it's why we have to create alternative media like we do here at Sekula because when you see this when you hear the way they're talking about this shooting this horrible assassination that happened you are not going to believe it so those who are standing up for this those that are actually being good advocates like us and other broadcasters give them their props because that is not what's popular right now but a lot of them know the truth a couple phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110 you've heard about the amazing work the ACLJ continues to do whether that's in Israel Europe or anywhere else in the world of course here in America you can be a part of that at ACLJ.org we'll be right back welcome back to Sekula I do want to take some calls coming up in this segment so stay on hold we'll get to you but Will I think what's important we got to talk about let's bring a little happiness to this a little bit of lightheartedness to it because look it wasn't lighthearted to begin with but we have an ACLJ win of course you remember just a couple days ago we had this the the child of special needs 12 year old who was handing out bible verses and you had members of the team there of her school not only confiscating them so you can't do this you can't hand out little sheets of paper with a bible verse on it encouraging hope encouraging love and and and all of those kind of good messages but they lied to her and said oh we'll take these from you special needs child child of special needs we'll distribute it to people when they're feeling sad so don't worry you don't have to do this we're going to take care of it of course then they find out that she was just banned from doing it they didn't want to tell her that to her face but the ACLJ sprung into action they reached out we got connected we were ready to go to to court if necessary of course you usually start a lot of these things with just a simple letter saying you know what this is what your staff did here's why it's illegal you have a certain amount of time to fix this problem or else we go to court again it's not always the most fun way to do it but a lot of times what your client wants to do it's what your client wants to do because look they have to live in this community they they'd rather get over with quickly not something that gets drawn out for years and years and years and often now because of established law because of the prestige of the ACLJ we're able to get these taken care of very quickly that doesn't mean we don't have to have the best of the best and we can't have the best the best without you but will that's precisely what happened here they caved again they get your letterhead from the ACLJ they get an email from the team they start shaking in their boots and immediately they reverse the decision so in in this as well sometimes it also takes shining the light on what's happening at one of the schools and we the letter didn't go to the principal it goes to the school district to say hey here's what's going on you need some oversight here as well you better fix this or else we're going to court but the school district after received the demand letter and already has responded back that yes the school district understood what the client's constitutional rights are and stood in response to protect her right to share her faith and will assure the ACLJ and our client the teacher and principal who violated this girl's rights were made aware of the girl's rights and that going forward the school district would protect religious freedom in their schools because remember the principal also tried to argue that in bringing any sort of material of any sort that wasn't approved was policy so therefore no religious material were allowed on campus there were so many constitutional violations from this principal and this teacher that it was hard to count but the district did the right thing they understood from the ACLJ and I'm pretty certain that some of them were probably a little shocked at what happened in and of itself this isn't the Portland Oregon this was in Texas we got it handled very quickly and I appreciate all of your thoughts all your prayers all your support financially or even just your prayers they mean a lot or even just sharing that story because the more attention we can get to these stories sometimes the quicker they can get handled let's go ahead and take some phone calls I'd like to go to Carol who is calling watching on rumble on line four Carol you're on the air yes the argument is that free Palestine doesn't equate to Hamas anti-semitism anti-semitism I understand that the Palestinians chant from the rivers to the sea being an eradication of the Jews since the Palestinians believe the Jews are occupying their land why wouldn't quote free Palestine equate to anti-semitism well of course it does Carol of course that's what that really means our American brains maybe don't understand the way it's intrinsically built in to the education systems what's happening there whether that's in their faith or whether that is in just the way people are taught it's unfortunate sad but it can't just be that easy the two-state solution concept is nice on paper but as we've seen time and time again it's not possible it's not possible because you have one country in Israel that for decades was okay with trying the idea and then you have another that says no not until we have everything not until we have all of Jerusalem not until we have taken all of your land and eradicated your people and as you said that it's hard to find that area between look I think you can be you complain about your government there's plenty of people in Israel that are not happy with Benjamin Netanyahu that's just like America here there's plenty of people don't like Donald Trump or didn't like Joe Biden it's not any different just much smaller however when you're trying to make that it's like we try to Americanize all of it when you try to Americanize the way you think it's not how it works there it's not it works in the Middle East when it's so small it's so tight but I think we actually should hear the conversation that happened on MSNBC I believe or CNN CNN I'm sorry it's usually MSNBC on CNN where this kind of rhetoric comes up we're like certainly you're not saying that people that are against Israel are anti-semitic saying this to a you know someone who is Jewish who is a witness to the murder the cold-blooded assassination and of course this is also you're hearing from a from Sarah Sidner from CNN so you'll hear her voice first and then if you're just listening and then from Jonathan Epstein who is a witness go ahead you said you look the shooter in the eyes can you give us any sense of what you saw in him as he was sort of getting help and people were tending to him as if he too was a victim of seeing this what I saw in his eyes I mean I went to Columbia for grad school and I saw the same thing in his eyes as I saw in the eyes of all the protesters at Columbia nothing different between him and them but they did not create this horrific shooting they did not you know sort of um they didn't shoot they created they gave permission they gave the permission and they've called for this they have called for and to fought a revolution which is the same thing he yelled last night do you worry that there will be a conflation though of the two those people who are speaking their mind who really care about what is happening in Gaza and those people who are like this person who did this horrific shooting who intend to do harm a conflation I mean they are calling for intifada at Columbia University they call for intifada constantly not they're not quietly they're loud they're loud you can hear they make recordings of themselves so what's the difference are you afraid yes yes are you afraid speaking how a lot of us are feeling right now I couldn't agree with him more it's exactly the emotion that a lot of us are going through right now when you see cold blooded murder on the streets of people because of their background because of their ethnicity because of you know they may say it's because they work for the state of Israel but again those two things are intrinsically combined when she says you worry about them being conflated it is the same they are being we've already conflated the fact that Israel the only Jewish state in the world that's allowed to exist to where people can be there and practice by the way not only Judaism any faith have any preferences that they want personally it's a lot different than anywhere else in the Middle East but they of course are the enemy to all these people and of course you say of course you don't see the same thing what did you see in his eyes which on his eyes the same thing you do see in the eyes of these students a lot of times not just the students because some of the students I think are just are just horribly informed but it's the leadership well in just this journalist at CNN asking like are you worried there'll be a completion this is a person who just witnessed a hate crime against a targeted killing against people because they're Jewish and he is Jewish and was a witness to this and the journalist is saying are you worried that people will conflate what this guy did with those calling for intifada on campus and it also the fact that they've so whitewashed the term intifada as if it just means something passive intifada was violent terrorism against Israel from Palestinians it was a wave and campaign of terrorism so when you're calling for terrorism like do you really get to nuance and say no we're calling for theoretical terrorism not literal terrorism so I don't want you to conflate what we're calling for here we're calling for theoretical genocide not a literal genocide so don't conflate what we're doing here these two are different no words mean things and you can't have it both ways and say are you concerned victim here that they're gonna conflate what people are saying about you at your university with what this person did no because they're saying the same thing we got a minute and a half let's quickly take Michael who's calling on line one Michael you're on the air well I love your passion keep it up brother the comment I wanted to make Logan is you were talking about all the friends you have who don't read past the headlines and don't get the the background the problem is is the indictment of the public school system has taught them for years upon years of what to think not how to think not how to take a topic and look into the background of it and do the homework and read and understand what's going on they just have fed them pablum for so long and this is how you're supposed to think not teach them how to think and this is how what you get when you don't have people who use the god-given brain that we have Michael a hundred percent that is what's happening look look it's even when we talk about that when we just had in the ACLJ where that special need students was handing out Bible verses and essentially got lied to shut down and banned we're able to go in there and say hey remember the law that little thing yeah you can't do that a lot of times they cave and they cave because of people like us we can't stop having these kind of conversations Michael and you are absolutely right support the work of the ACLJ we're trying to educate we don't put anything behind a paywall because of those kind of comments everything's available for free but it can't be without your support let's go to ACLJ.org to Sekulow I need to jump to this call really quickly let's go to Lisa who's calling in California Lisa you're gonna be our last call of the day go ahead hi I just want to suggest that we not control this hate chill behavior we we need to eradicate it we need to get rid of it it has no place in this country at all yeah Lisa a lot of people feel that way and a lot of people I feel like on the left have been saying that maybe too much honestly because of course their version of it is quite different their version of it doesn't necessarily mean it usually means everything but Jewish people usually means everything besides anti-Semitism you can't tolerate anything that conservatives have to say you can't tolerate on any of that but the only thing we can't tolerate is hate speech towards one very specific group of people and I want to give you a bit of a background for those who want to educate your friends and family this is a piece that our team put together right after the October 7th attack and this is called the myth of Palestine take a look the myth of Palestine is a dangerous and false narrative being perpetuated by those who seek to harm the Jewish people this narrative intentionally overlooks the thousands of years of history and the rightful ownership of the land by the Jewish people it ignores the repeated attempts by Israel to make peace and the ongoing attacks and aggression from terrorist organizations like Hamas we must not be deceived by this attempt to erase the Jewish people from their homeland following is the true history of Israel and the so-called Palestine we begin with Israel beginning in 1800 BC Abraham heard the call of God and followed it to the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River the promised land shortly after the Egyptians enslaved nearly all of the Israelites and it wasn't until 500 years later that their descendants were able to return to the promised land from then on this region had a long history of conquest and power struggles with Jerusalem at the center from the time of King David's role in 1004 BC to the Roman conquest in 63 BC the city endured numerous shifts in power and the destruction and rebuilding of temples 70 years later the Romans drove nearly all Jews out of Israel forcing them to scatter across the world it wasn't until circa AD 136 the name Palestine first appeared after the Romans named part of Judea Syria Palestina to erase the Jewish presence in the land throughout the ensuing centuries the region of Jerusalem continued to be subject to numerous conquests in AD 638 Arab Muslims took control centuries later Christian Crusaders claimed the city only to be defeated by Saladin the Muslim Sultan of Egypt and Syria in AD 1187 the region then fell under the rule of the Ottoman Empire Turks in AD 1517 until 400 years later when during the Great War in 1917 the British Empire conquered the region the British made a public pledge the Balfour Declaration which aimed to establish a national home for the Jewish people in the area still known by the Roman name Palestine then in 1922 four years after the war ended the League of Nations created the mandate for Palestine to reconstitute a national home for the Jewish people the region was redrawn into what is now modern-day Israel the Gaza Strip the West Bank and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan only 22% was left to create the Jewish state then just over a decade later from 1933 to 1945 the Nazi Party took power in Germany and massacred almost two-thirds of Europe's Jewish population six million Jews after World War II in 1947 the United Nations adopted the partition resolution a two-state solution to create another Arab state and a Jewish state in the remaining mandate territory reserved for the Jews in order to have peace with their Arab neighbors the Jews accepted but the Arabs rejected it and invaded Israel which began the Arab-Israeli War of 1948 no state of Palestine was created the state of Israel was over the following decades the Middle East was marked by ongoing conflicts between Israel and its Arab neighbors in 1964 the Palestinian Liberation Organization also known as the PLO was founded whose ultimate goal was the destruction of Israel in 1967 the six-day war was waged by surrounding Arab countries that's when the West Bank and the Gaza Strip became a part of Israel then the 1973 attack on Yom Kippur began in 1987 the terrorist organization Hamas was founded by members of the Muslim Brotherhood that same year Hamas began waging jihad holy war during the first intifada against Israel in order to wipe out all Jews between 1993 and 1995 Israel and the PLO made agreements for a peaceful resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict these agreements granted self-governance to the Arab populations of the Gaza Strip and West Bank in exchange for peace with Israel instead of peace militants from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank continued their attacks against Israel from 2000 to 2005 the Palestinians began a wave of terrorist attacks called the second intifada remember what this means the eradication of Jews so in 2005 yet another attempt to achieve peace was made and Israel left Gaza even though Gaza is a rightful part of Israel in 2012 the UN General Assembly agreed to change the PLO's membership status at the UN from an observer organization to that of a non-member state with observer status observers generally have a limited ability to participate in the IGO lacking the ability to vote or propose resolutions then on October 7th 2023 the world was shaken by the horrific actions of Hamas as they launched a vicious attack on Israel the death toll rose to over 1300 innocent lives including men women children the elderly and even infants the atrocities committed by the attackers were unspeakable women were raped dead bodies were desecrated and over 240 people were taken hostage what history clearly illustrates is that Israel did not steal any land from the Palestinians in fact there has never been a state of Palestine the Romans gave the name to the area that includes modern-day Israel the Gaza Strip the West Bank and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan this land was stolen from the Jewish people just as it had been for millennia before learn more at aclj.org forward slash defend israel I'm glad you were able to watch that be part of our conversation and if you want to share that with your friends it's available on all our social media platforms go to youtube and just find it on our youtube channel you can share that with maybe your friends who don't understand the backstory the history of everything and it goes beyond biblical obviously there's the biblical start we go through which we believe for those that are not believers for those that are not religious whether they're a Jewish Christian or even Muslim they may go well I don't believe in any of this well we gave you the historical evidence the historical proof of what's actually going on the attacks on our faith the attacks on the people of Israel we know they're continuing and we need your help we only got 30 seconds left in this show today and that's for the week of course we know a lot of you're gonna have a holiday week so we'll probably be talking to most of you again on Tuesday but we are there on Monday we are filing a legal submission to the UN Human Rights Council in defense of Israel so again while a lot of you are on vacation a lot of you taking a break our aclj legal team is not stopping so I encourage you right now become an aclj champion if you can at any level at aclj.org we'll talk to you next week.
