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Atlantic Coast Conference Grant of Rights and West Va. vs The EPA

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July 15, 2022 5:00 pm

Atlantic Coast Conference Grant of Rights and West Va. vs The EPA

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July 15, 2022 5:00 pm

On this edition of The Outlaw Lawyers Attorneys Josh Whitaker & Joe Hamer discuss EPA mandates and existing power plants, West Va. vs the EPA. The Atlantic Coast Conference has existed since 1953, but how much longer will the schools stay together? Rumors abound concerning an expanding SEC conference and several ACC schools are prime targets. Josh and Joe pour over the ACC Grant of Rights and discuss. Listener Questions wrap up this episode of the Outlaw Lawyer.

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This week's outlaw lawyer Joshua Joe remote in to discuss the law and how it affects everything around us. And as always, Joshua Joe taco burning legal questions, such as the EPA mandate carbon emissions from existing power plants. What is the over under on the number of pages of the ACC grant of rights document holding the conference together is North Carolina a race or notice date when it comes to real estate closings. That's all coming up next right here on the outlaw lawyer now welcome into the outlaw lawyer Josh Whitaker and SchellHamer managing partners at Whitaker and Hamer law firm are your holes there practicing attorneys here in North Carolina. They have offices conveniently located in Raleigh Garner Clayton Goldsboro Fuquay Farina and Gastonia hi Morgan Patrick. We talk illegally is I'm a consumer advocate. I play referee between Josh and Joe it's always a very interesting conversation. We have a little fun along the way. So this week really get into a number of things. But first, guys, let's just talk about hate how I saw Josh last week. I haven't seen Joe and it seems like a month, but how you guys don't Morgan I'm doing fine I'm doing fine. Glad to be with you Joseph your Europe and around doing good a.m., up and around doing all right live in my life. Man living for these moments when we get to come together on the radio and talk to each other in the distance, guys. I was, as Vincent had the kids last night.

Wife is at the other Dixie chicks anymore writing us or the chick just the chairs. Just as I don't like that people change names, even if there's a good reason not your I like if I meet you and you tell me what your name is, or your band's name or your firm's name or whatever it is that's just it.

The rest of my life. That's what you can tell me the change might be good reason for changing it. I'm not doing it I'm not subscribing to your new name anyway so as me and the boys and I start watching these James Webb space telescope picture to start coming through. Guess it's up and running in its reporting back in again some pics mind blowing to guess he does. I have not seen them yet at the SSO one blurb on Instagram but I have not investigated but does sound like somebody pretty good while trying to get. I have a 76 S. business.

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It wasn't the worst thing I've been to some bad concerts and it was not. It was not that bad, but I was not there last night I was on the boys watching the holy moly finale and looking at these telescope pics but many things are like mind boggling. You know they just add this one picking up see it.

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They have these new supermassive stars that are signs and then you got you countless black holes which you know scientist said that within each of those. There could be you note expanses that are even yet that we can't even comprehend and you just get into like the infinite nature ofan it really starts to make your Montana folded in on itself, man. It's very difficult to conceptualize final frontier guys. It's the final front here Westwood I was just in this picture I Blown It. You Know, and I Think the Tone of It Was the Scientist He Was Was Posting This Picture from Somebody Else's Comment Relates to This.

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That's a Good Excuse for Me to Have Them Anyway Read Him Again but Follow on a Comic Book Artist and People Write Stories Writers and Stuff and They They They All like the Movie but They Said This Is like a 20 Year Storyline Is like 20 Years of Thor Storylines Being Crammed in the 12 Hour That Might Be Why It's so Disjointed Because They Were Turning It so Much and Their Baby Why Don't Know That That's the Case, It Doesn't Seem like It's Overstuffed Man. It Almost Seems like It's under Stuffed and Soap. I Read That It Was Originally Four Hours Long. The Original Cup Was a Four Hour Cut and so Now Will Say This, Joshua. We Winced, Saw the Movie yet There's There's a New Theater in That a Fenton Area of Carry Very Nice Area Theater Got A Lot Of Potential, Very New A Lot Of Kinks to Work out to so I Ordered Food and I Waited Probably 35 Minutes for That Food Not Missed Eight Minutes at the Beginning of the Movie so That Could Contribute to My Sense of It Not Really Come Together, but A Lot Of Great Things Man Russell Crowe Makes a Cameo Appearance after They Say That Is That Is That Yeah That's Disclosed I'll That's How I Didn't Say Who It Was but I Think That's Been Disclosed to Me People to Be Josh, I Am Thrown out There. The End and I'm Currently to This to This Was Something Else That Came up This Week.

I Always Think about When We Sit down to Talk Some Things That like I Went down a Rabbit Hole on This Week One's Own and a Rabbit Hole on His There's This There's a Twitter Account Gets Minor, Some Old Blisters Myron about Us. There's a Twitter Account That Talks about Televangelists Right so It's Preachers Are Unit People Are Doing so for Church and It Looks at What They're Wearing in Their Shoes and They Tell You What That Cost and I'm Presuming That Well, Just in Case the Listeners Interested in and I'm Not. I'm Not Saying That's Right or Wrong, You Know, but It's It's It's Interesting, As Often As I'm Interested in Your Comment May I'm Knocking to Go Look, but I Want to Elaborate on so You Saying What These Folks Are Wearing Some Real Expensive Shoes There. Yes, That's What He Saying Using Annie's How You Preach about the Lord. If You're Not Fresh to Death on Your Feet. Joshua Well Went on I Went on This Rabbit Wholeness Prosperity Gospel Every Now and Then Get off on a Twitter Account Are All See Something in the Newspaper Is Rabbit Hole and BMN. He Says That These like $3000. She's in There There out There Preaching to You about Whatever and Then Again Whatever Your Religious Affiliation May Be Here in Here Were Not Here to Judge Your Chart Take Us out. I Just Found It Offputting. United Maybe out, Maybe We Can Already Knew That They Are Hurting. I Just, I Guess I Never Put That yet an Offense Twitter Account and It Seems like a Pretty Seemingly Innocent Twitter Account, but It It Sent Me on a Rabbit Hole Getting Help for Stuff to Think about Things That Want Elaboration. Mama May That's It.

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That's a Good Cast Will Morgan Joseph. We Talked a Couple Weeks It Seems like about Supreme Court Decisions Right to Privacy Abortion Second Amendment and so I Don't Talk about That Mr. Going to Mix It up a Little Bit so There Was Another Really Big Supreme Court Case That Came down in the past Couple Weeks We Have Got a Chance to Go Back to the West Virginia Versus EPA Case and so We'll Talk about That Today. Last Week I Mentioned, I Want to Read the ECC Grant of Rights That's Been in the News Lately. The ACC Possibly May Be Losing a Team What Mega-Conferences I Kind of Thing and so a Couple of Media Outlets Last Week All, Uploaded, Got a Copy and It's It's Underwhelming. So We'll Talk about That the Listener Questions so We Had a Couple of Questions at the End of the Show Today I Will Get A Lot on the Program. The Lawyers Josh Whitaker and Joe Hamer Managing Partners at Whitaker and Hamer and Practicing Attorneys Here in North Carolina Have Offices Conveniently Located Raleigh Garner Clayton Goldsboro Fuquay Marina and Gastonia. If You're Facing a Legal Situation You Got Questions about a Phone Number for You 800-659-1186 at 800-659-1186 Just Leave Your Contact Information Briefly What That Calls about an Attorney with Whitaker and Hamer Will Be in Touch.

You Can Always Email Your Questions to the Show Using What We Are Today and Will Answer Them for You. again will be what will change the names to protect the innocent and always check out the website de la we come back we'll talk West Virginia versus the EPA.

That's all coming up next on the outlaw lawyers offices conveniently located for you Raleigh Garner Clayton Goldsboro Fuquay Marina and Gastonia. If you're facing a legal situation you have questions about a phone number for you and you get some answers.

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Briefly, what the calls about an attorney with Whitaker and Hamer will be in touch and you can email your question to the show as well. Gentlemen, West Virginia versus the EPA suggest we talked about this one out a while back we talk about this a while back when I had oral arguments during the session and the opinion came down right on the hills of the Dodd case the abortion case and all the other stuff that was happening. So we really need a chance. Goodbye to you remember when we talked about this case man, I've got you now get that elephant brain I can really recall things most the time, especially when it comes to my favorite my favorite hobby which is doing the show by a long but not the mantle. I don't think I recall it, that's not one of my favorite topics as this is that this is the one is a confusing fact pattern we will go into it. He spends a couple years but but basically we talked about how Congress will delegate authority grants the Congress has all the authority corner.

It according the Constitution. Congress only makes laws right may have this authority they will delegate it to different agencies. Rights may have delegated in different acts different walls of the past they have delegated authority to do certain things to agencies like the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency and so the environmental protection agency is tasked with doing certain things air-quality water quality, but that you get all of their power from Congress right in and so there's there's this whole set of cases over the past 100 200 years. There's all these does all this caselaw. It talks about what an agency can do. How this power can be delegated. Use the Windows and agency have to go back to Congress for additional powers and in an and I think I thing up someone who's smarter than me. Maybe a legal scholar would say until this case, the tradition was, interpreting the directives from Congress broadly writes he cannot. These agencies become very powerful.

They have old Babylon authority they can penalize people they can change policy and and so not to oversimplify, but there was there was a clean power plan a couple years back were the EPA wanted deemphasize coal, punished: transition to unify climate change, or what have you and transition, and it affect a lot of people sleep. You cannot put this plan in place is going to negatively affect: fossil fuels, and so there's a big lawsuit.

A lot interested parties and the Supreme Court voted 6 to 3 in this and basically said the court, any time an agency does something big in new the case at hand. Here was climate change are trying to to stop climate change. The regulation is presumptively invalid unless Congress has specifically authorized regulating in this sphere, and so obviously air-quality is, something we understand the EPA has a right to do what the the aims they were trying to advance was really a negatively impact whole industries and the court, stepped and said hey this is a this was a big change. Just as this is something new that the EPA is trying to do is can affect a lot of people and basically got go back to Congress for this and this was kind of a new take on an old issue from the Supreme Court yet.

You know, I think one thing we can all agree on is there's there's certain issues that we all have a vested interest in we should all really care about and the air that we literally all breathe. This is definitely one of those issues. Josh, I think I can say that with great confidence but it's it's an interesting concept because, you know. Could Congress obviously they can legislate they can they can create laws and there's you. I think there is some need in some situations for these these agencies you note to be established that that do have some level of power to it to take cover and and to assist with some of these things but it's it's a matter of degree and it's a matter of how much of that power can be delegated to these agencies and so like you said, in this case. In this case it was ruled that this is essentially an overstepping of that power and you see some you see that both sides of the issues you know so you see that the majority the majority in this case basically sees itself as giving power, back to Congress and where they feel it should be noted artists.

It should be in the hands of the legislature that the folks who have have been elected the representatives to to dictate these things and in the minority, looks at it as this is the Supreme Court making decisions that really that the EPA that that agency that's been created should be making in their kind of note usurping that power from the EPA that they should validly have so in this one of those things where you see both sides kinda getting getting adamant passionate about. I think we get use to certain things right so we go about our day-to-day lives in and we don't have to much time to worry about Congress or what they're doing and it is came up when talking about the Supreme Court's abortion decision. I came up today. Rather, Supreme Court did make abortion illegal. They've just decided it's not that the legal theory that created the right to abortion is invalid and so that's what the court did they set a there's not really a constitutional right which is jolting and and shocking when when the countries been used to something for 50 years and then SI I get that from a legal perspective, you can at least I can understand their logic and reasoning. But everything is magnified because we we've gotten used to. Our Congress. So right. I think everybody you ask anybody matter what side of the political spectrum. I follow on Congress is not getting a lot of stuff done writing this, the matter who your tires.

Is it doing what you want them to do that they have a hard time passing anything. I think Congress being dysfunctional is putting a real big highlight on what the president can can do and what the Supreme Court can do is usually always branches are working together in some fashion balancing each other out. But when one branch is not doing anything, you know, we get the government suffers rights Congress could easily just make abortion legal. If that's if that's what Congress wanted to do. They can make it legal. They can make it illegal. It's something the federal government could could legislate and hear the EPA's, acting EPA come out to get their Congress to get their congressional power that gets delegated to them and they work with executive branch and they cannot work together to make policy and and and hear the spring or say no Congress to do this, which is not a bad decision.

I don't think sure Congress.

That's that's who we elect right that's that's our representatives in and they should be doing as opposed to lead the head of the EPA's appointed by the president right that's common executive branch. But anyway if Congress wasn't dysfunctional and I think they would be fun and a lot of the common the comments that I read the people who looked this decision negative is as taking power from the EPA was based on will great.

Now if the EPA can't do it will never get anything done.

We need Congress to step in and that's just not something that is easy these days, the outlaw years tackling again West Virginia versus the EPA and we have a lot to get to on the program today so we will continue that discussion, the allies Josh Whitaker and Joe Hamer get away current Hamerlock from the managing partners. Their pricing attorneys here in North Carolina give the legal situation that you are facing and you got questions, I got a phone number for you where you can get some answers. 800-659-1186. That's 800-659-1186 leader contact information briefly what the calls about an attorney with Whitaker and Hamer will return your call. You can also email your questions to the program will answer them on future broadcast that's Conveniently located offices for your Raleigh Garner Clayton goals were a few quavering and Castilian. Please check out the website, the were back right after this week, Garner Clayton, Goldsboro, Fuquay, Korea and Gastonia. If you got a legal situation. You've got questions, you need answers to. We got a phone number 4800 659-1186.

That's 800-659-1186 again contact information briefly what the calls about an attorney will be in touch with you and you can always email your questions to the program and will answer those on a future program again where to talk about the Atlantic Coast conference say what Morgan I knew you wouldn't. Joseph and we like. We like to talk about sports. Yes, it is just we are all sports fans would like to talk about sports and so we have a crossover league old sports segment always very excited for like that plays into our internal wheelhouse and we don't get to talk about every day, but we talked about. I think last show we talk about the ACC. The mega conferences all the rumors about 11 college or university, leaving one conference for the other ESPN it's all contracts like everything we are talking about the ACC is formed by contract is held together by contract, as is the SEC in the Big Ten in the pack 12 and you got no contracts for intellectual property and TV rights and that's all sports lawyers is contracts on top of contracts and subcontracts is that when they report on these universities threatening to leave work there there reporting on right well if you and see your NC State or Duke or what is most the leave will be breaching the ACC grant of rights or the will be breaching ESPN TV deal and what with the buyout. This is all contractual negotiations so this is right with the law. This type of topic right now. Wheelhouse brother tell you it's it's it's kind of shocking. We knew that no athletics and the money behind athletics and TV contracts was going to cause you a lot of conferences to add members but I never thought we get to the point where a massive conference like the Atlantic coast, which is been around since 1953 a is on the verge of possibly just disintegrating a minute talking about the SEC taken a couple of teams I won't mention any names Clemson Carolina but I mean there are all kinds of options out there for these teams but to think of the ACC. Just not being being here or or even having a conference is just mind blowing. It is Manteno.

It's also if you just look at the trajectory of college sports in the last you know several years like the landscape has changed so drastically so quickly that if you know you could go back 10, 15, 20 years and say you have a time machine to bring Josh from 1520 years ago into the present and it's like college sports are unrecognizable like you wouldn't even be able to comprehend the way that it is evolved and changed and some of the things we've been talking about you. You would you would think there is insanity.

It was presented to you then I saw in when can I again went down a rabbit hole been written about this for like two weeks.

Diaz also my talk about like a Thai camera with the list was was like the most-watched is to be like the most-watched programs over the past year. Whatever like 20 I don't member it was like 20/25 most-watched programs were pro or college football and Zagat. That's everybody's doubling down even harder homegrown college football since as as a society we we as together we really only one sportswriter by us has their own showed the righteous gemstones in old Seinfeld reruns. Like, whatever you want you can just put yourself in this little corner and so we don't have 71 million people watching the last episode of master what it is and so all these big ticket items are all football sets were all the monies going and you know we we talked about the name and likeness deals in yellow just kind were in the wild West of college football now is just any anything goes, but I wanted to going to do this guys so you know when you buy a house right now shouldn't think of the contracts. Most people deal with every day. If you're not a lawyer and you're not in the business of reviewing contracts and in drafting contracts the country you do it on a daily basis. When you buy your house, you're probably using a pretty standard offer to purchase contract.

What you say is about 1213 pages Joe FE 15, including attachments says a 15 page contract and listen you decide you want to buy Chick-fil-A or McDonald's run by franchise.

Franchise agreements admitted between 50 and 150 maybe with exhibits but you about hundred 50 pages on a good franchise agreement and you know sizes can use that as a frame of reference. With that said, how many pages do you think you might've seen many pages do you think this ACC grant of rights contract would be. I didn't see it.

I did not see it but I did see your notes so I Had a leg up on the competition handling. I think I think you would be Elsie Morgan Morgan probably saw your notes to.

So I think were were asking what the thickness of the contract is it just just this seems like a pretty important contract to meet ACC grant rights. All these universities billions of dollars are at stake with this is the fact that were talking about the importance and how big it should be on the go small. I bet it is a surprisingly few pages for pages while but it's a longer document that there's like 15 you have a meat cut hemming time, not meetings we have anymore and ACC but 14 or 15.

Signature pages for legitimate pages document, almost a memorandum of understanding is what it's a state of matter way to back to law school in the and you had the professors that that would really push that very simple legal doctrine you member that when Josh kiss was that something that was a wish to keep it simple stupid that's what they're tooling here man there. Keeping it simple and Lotta something need to be 100 hundred 50 pages you know I get some things need to be be that lengthy, but at the same time that I guess one of the things it turns a lot of people off to to the law, and attorneys.

In general, when you get into these crazy, verbose and just you get all this like flowery verbiage in this this extra wording in there that you could argue, is unnecessary and that's why you know there's there's been recently more of a movement towards it.

It's just the plain language movement, simplifying things in don't have to be overly complex or complicated you can you can state things in layman's terms you could do a four pager five pager and get by with that. I think we should encourage that end and Try to move towards that. But yes, that being said, very surprising that this would be as as short as it is an effort is so what I saw. I got appointed to the athletic made a local media outlet had it but it was a draft. It was my guess it was meant for this Wake Forest University was a draft that was sent to Wake Forest University. It's unsigned and it was uploaded and so there may enter.

I'm sure there were addendum's signed at different times over the years and at what have you but but it's it's very clear right your your signing your media rights, whether you're in ACC or not to today succeeds. It does make leaving. I guess that was the whole point right does make leaving difficult and I and I haven't seen I haven't seen this diskette challenging of the Pac-10, had one that was coming up in a town with TV deals expiring and so a lot of the movement right now is because these these were these were expiring in some other conferences but ACC's is good through things all 2036, so it is looking at it may Mexico a bit better because I think it would take you no attorney can come up with a way to challenge a lot of things right so this seems like an ironclad agreement but you know you can attack consideration. Right you can. There's there's there's things you can attack nothings nothings ironclad like you did the best you can, but everything to be challenged one way or the other but I don't know if you've heard any of those arguments browsable like this might be challenged yet. You know it's not something of its it makes me Thinking of ACC break and it makes me kind of sad man in I do this thing where I just ignore things that make me sad and I haven't done that is going pretty well pretty good life plan. I think in general we just ignore the things that make you price it and if you do that, man, life is good life is easy. Your there's nothing that could go wrong with that approach, but I think that I think the most successful one I've seen is what what happens your some people have said will maybe there can be a buyout calculated. If you get enough money somewhere else.

It would make sense and that probably works as we get closer to 2036 I was like, what would it take you know from from a legal perspective, what would it take now for the for the ACC to dissolve an army would take like 48 teams all deciding to leave and at that point, I can't change the terms of the deal for everyone. Right if you get a group of schools are like in or out of here. Do your worst it.

What's what's left of the ACC that changes the TV DLA changes what everybody, bought into said that was the one that made the most sense to me. I saw a couple people cannot throw that out there is an Crystal be a legal battle still be expensive but if ACC no longer existed. He paid damages to that point, but again I'd wanted to look at that. I found it I said and find it can hit near the head. I saw somebody tweeted or shared cited how to make it look like I spent a week searching for diligently, but I did.

I came across it and it was a lot there, man. It's it's it is simple and it's it's doing what it's supposed to do right now. I just hope it keeps it up in the lawyers Josh Whitaker and Joe Hamer. You can find them managing partners, Whitaker and Hamer law firm. Their pricing attorneys here in North Carolina. They have offices in Raleigh Garner Clayton Goldsboro Fuquay Marina and Gastonia each and every week we talked a legal easier than I have possibly a legal situation you're facing. And you got some questions I have a phone number for you 800-659-1186. That's 800-6590 1186 leave your contact information. We thought that call is about an attorney will return your call and have a conversation. Also, you can send your questions to the program We will get to those questions on a future episode. Please check out the website, the we got listener questions when we returned right here on the ball.

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That's 800-659-1186 leave your contact info. Briefly what that calls about an attorney will be in touch with you. You can also email your questions to the programmer about to get into some questions we go to and send us the question and will answer it on a future edition of the outlier alright gentlemen we have a question yet. We got a couple this week in one of our first listener question today is kind of piggybacking on a question we had last time we were all together so we on a previous day.

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That was the question how do I how do I get to talk to one of the attorneys at Whitaker name or in the answer to that for this person was, you're halfway there. He called us. That's the first step. First step is make contact with the firm is all different ways you can do that morning.

What's what's what's that number was our number 800-659-1186. That's 800-659-1186 is a when you call that that line is not there's not anybody answering that line every day that that is a line for you to to leave us a message.

Leave the show a message. Let us know your name. A good way to reach back out to you and and, what's going on in one of our paralegals are attorneys will reach back out to you to try to try to figure out that something we might be able to help you with, and if it is I will get you scheduled for a consult, which is scheduled for the next step and so that's the easiest way is just call us you know. And then there's all kinds of ways we meet with people. Joe, you know, we have we have offices kind of spaced out here crossed central North Carolina.

We got more offices opening up this year's will have some some news for folks as we continue to show but that's when we meet with people right Joe, we just meet with people and offices have become to whatever office is closest to you. That's right joshing of the traditional. The traditional way that you think of of attorneys and clients meeting, at least in the in the past was like he said just a physical come on into the office to sit down, get cozy, we'll talk in person and that's that's that's absolutely something that we still offer we've got several locations. Like he said, with some additional locations that that are opening up soon that will will be able to announce here that were pretty excited about that one of our goals as a firm is really just a to offer convenience to folks.

So if you want to have a consult and in one of our several offices or if you want to have a closing in one of our several offices.

We offer many locations for that purpose, to make it easier for you. The clients it to get in touch with us to get into the office, but were also forward thinking Josh were also for thinking progressive law firm in and we we want to we try to bring things into the future and and again add convenience for our clients are one of the things we've been doing here lately frequently and this is something that a lot of folks are doing so is not necessarily a novel approach, especially post Cove 19 we've been doing, we can offer and in doing a lot of zoom consults a lot of virtual consults in the just a lot of phone consults as well so it's all about convenience in offering you multiple options and opportunities to get in touch and speak to us and so we we try to really give you a lot of different options to edit for what's easiest and most convenient for you to fit into your schedule. As a client to get in touch with us you eat when you talk to us to schedule time to sedan. I'm old-fashioned I I'm a big lad I like to sit down with folks that I still like to shake hands. Even though I did a pandemic, ruminant force, a little bit but I like to meet people in person but I also do phone consults in the course zoom every bite is now somewhere were always happy to do that we had set up a couple conference rooms to make us able to do that. That's so convenient for folks but definitely Lotta ways to get in touch with us you know we we got email. We got that phone number that Morgan gives you want to reach out written reach back out to you and and again try to figure out you know if we can help you. And if we can help you get in getting you to sit down the right person in the firm because we're where we we got overnight we got not attorneys that work with about 40 staff and so once we once we get your call. Once we figure out who your what's going on. We got gets to the right person or firm that can help you but yeah just reaching out and then making contacts always the first step and we try to get back out to be just as we can, but that's I think that would be the answer for how do I schedule a time to speak with one of your attorneys, how do I set up a consult, and that the quick answer is just just call us will reach back out seeing it set up and start getting information. Don't procrastinate got questions about a situation that you're facing. Here's an opportunity to get some answers again the number is 800-659-1186. That's 800-659-1186 leave your contact information busy with calls about again.

That will be you know an automated answer you leave your information and attorney will return the call as quickly as they can and you can always email your questions to the show them will use them on future broadcast changing the name to protect you guys, but questions at the outlaw, while that's we got more listener questions will get into those as we move through the program you're listening to the outliers Josh Whitaker and Joe Hamer your house to the managing partners at Whitaker Hamer law firm get offices in Raleigh, Garner, Clayton Goldsborough, Fuquay Farina and Gastonia talk legalese each and every week here on the program if you got questions, you know the number 800-659-1186. That's 800-659-1186 leave your contact info and we will be in touch an attorney with Whitaker Hamer will give your call you can do that by email as well. Will be back right after this welcome back into the outlaw your is your host Josh Whitaker and Joe Hamer, the managing partners at Whitaker and Hamer law firm offices located Raleigh Garner Clayton Goldsborough for quavering and Gastonia. They are pricing attorneys here in North Carolina.

We talk legalese each and every week we have some fun, but we also get very serious with the topics a lot of questions when it comes to the legal side of things and you may be facing something you may have some questions about what you're going through. Good way to get answers is to call Whitaker and Hamer. You can call this 800 number 800-659-1186. That's 800-659-1186 leave your contact information will be an automated answer for you but leave your information briefly what the call is about an attorney with Whitaker Hamer will be in touch as we always say you can always send your questions to the program and we will answer them on future shows or I would have another listener question will get to that in some odds and ends, but this is the outliers Josh and Joe take away the morning or next listener question, when I when we got this question.

I wondered if somebody questions about like individual like I have this problem are encountered this car accident. Closing data will this question came in and I think it's secretly a law professor maybe one of her old real property.

Professors asking this question, but here's a question.

What is the difference between a race state and a notice date with respect to real estate closings and so this is in a normal question.

You get some estimates to someone in the real estate industry, or RA, a law professor trying to throw some curveballs on our night show here but yeah we got a lot of people moving in one of the good things up in North Carolina right now is that a lot of people right. We got a lot of businesses coming in is all good stuff. So we get a lot of folks from New York and California, Florida, Texas and some of the states were not.

We don't have the same opinion. Just like every state doesn't have the same opinion on marijuana laws. Abortion a lot of states have different ideas about how real estate closing should go right so when you buy your house for your refinance have different laws that govern how we do our title searches in US to be involved in so closing is different in a lot of states rights of why people who had a house in New York sold it move down here bought a house and I find it interesting Spina interesting that everybody definitions talking to them about the closing process how it went. New York, as opposed house going here North Carolina and so I would you get this conversation from time to time because I restates the same as a get to two kinds of states a race state and a notice date when it comes to real estate and I was just up in New York better I would say it's a vacation but I was up in New York for a referral wedding. And so there was a lot of stuff going on in session.

Read the news that there you guys got been on vacation at the summer have not done little short trips up to the mountains to see the folks that we have not been to the beach were actually going to go get a coastal week after Labor Day and then try to enjoy what we hope is going to be pretty much an empty beach but that's that's that's the extent of our right now our current vacation plans with right now. What about you Joe, you know, no traditional vacation this year I was and I'm trying something new. It's a new thing. It's just a height of doing like a relaxing vacation I'm trying this thing row just don't and I just was extremely hard, harder than ever until I pass out and sleep there long. So no vacation scheduled and planned. I know it really happened.

Man is just didn't did not get one on the books and just plugging away every day and that's how like a vacation to me but having the ability to come in to work in and work really hard yet have a vacation away from the family. I know how that is for me to get so crazy at the house.

Actually, a respite arrested is head to the office.

What you said you went to a wedding. Josh, I got a question for you there. You're enjoying yourself, your you know you're you're you're happy for the couple. What song at the reception comes on that get you on the dance floor hey Joe, yes you, you can throw out your answer to, but I want to hear from Josh what song is it will more and I this may come as a society, but I do not designated they schedule wedding you have a few tidies you get out there yet when I had to hurt you analyze first Josh you parent was open so I get all wedding. My whole goal is to try to get away from the wedding, even if I'm happy to be there happy for the couple and happy to see everybody leaving my my goal is to find a room or a section that nobody really is and where I can cannot hide inside the glass wedding that we went to was a great wedding is good to see everybody.

I was not around for much of the dancing. As I found a theirs, back room that can open up to this patio and I got a group of guys there. Smoke cigars for like three hours I will say it was one of the best weddings where mint is because I did not really dance close and really I love that man. I love that your approach to to going to a wedding is to immediately find an exit or to find a place where you can hide it not interact with anybody that you don't want to smoke cigars for three hours. Could you walk after that session. Good. Great is a lot of cigar smoking.

It was new. It was a lot. I will tell you, you, me, my wife are our wedding song was outmanned. You guesstimate your wedding songs were required to figure out assets why you do this to me on here, man alone, I want to have a zillion songs that get you moving to the dance floor. They play yeah this is nothing about my wedding that I was and I was intoxicated by the time the music came on and I remember remember a whole lot somebody taken her shirt off and doing Petey Pablo twisted around her head like a helicopter. At one point but yet I don't dance either. I think I danced my wedding, but again that was had a lot of liquid courage going at that point but the song that would get me on the dance floor at a wedding would be the literal voice of God coming down from the heavens and telling me that if I borrow it with an idiot. I have pitbull came out and said pitbull Joe Hamer anyway.

The song I danced to add my wedding. Back in 1995 was I can't help falling in love with you Elvis, got your talk about dancelike breakdance. He asked me Josh said what song did you dance to at your wedding and I'm assuming that would be the, the, you know the groom and the bride and yeah that's not danced all of them. That's my answer every state, all we have one song show where you went out with your wife, just the two of you have the 40 yourself that halfway through you. You can wave on the bridal party and they come and dance with you, but you what you what you dance is a hot man is really how to think I had a heat stroke.

I think that the block ran right out one of the songs I do really dig if it comes on a wedding and I won't dance, but I might clap my hands three or four times and shot my head at the people dancing and that's the as the old classic. Let me clear my throat and I only will approve of the version has Bismarck. He writers aversion to have Bismarck enters around the settings addressed to studying that he can't be unit now know there everywhere you have been so I don't I don't and it be easier it be easier if I just dance right like I wish I was that guy just dance base was stopping a man what is stopping you. Honestly, I think it would add a lot to your personality is the law firm in the show, but the world in general. I am upset my ways man says I but though the year. My wife will get mad at me and eventually will do that that might happen firsthand and assist the put bill finally asked people to put in the songs they wanted. Anstey writes these people put in their wedding songs that they play the wedding song. You have to get sway or whatever it is that I that's why you remember what song, what is it you can't forget dance to it is illegal I'm in love by Wilson Pickett that was our live midwife gets mad at me when you don't dance at the house yesterday for the record here on the LLI. I've met both of the better halves and you guys did extremely well, let's clean up which I tried very hard, the a horse must be answering listener question so we usually enter the listener question. I think I said it meant you did say that we have an answer to the race notice array state a notice date as the real estate closings. I'll tell you North Carolina's what we call a race. Statements are recording statute is basically the first one recorded courthouse wins rights. If you have a dishonest seller under Tronic there trying to sell you. You properly install another guy property to be liable for some damages and then possibly a crime but technically the first person gets down there and records their deed at the courthouse want this on the record. The race to the courthouse Matsu wins between two third-party purchaser for value usually sets, what we call it a array state and notice state still has kind of the same requirement things get recorded but you can be. You can have constructive or actual notice of of something else happening in the chain of title that can be used so that even though you may be the first one to get your deed on record at the courthouse, you still may not prevail in a notice state nest. While at times in movies you'll see were people have a house and asked her for like four weeks and but it but not nest really hasn't recorded and you know so that it is different every statement, North Carolina become the closing and in your closing attorney, preferably Whitaker name or gets everything ready concerning recorded courthouse as quick as we can update or search to make sure nothing's happened in the interim.

That's how you get good title.

All right guys another great show in the books the LLI is Josh Whitaker and Joe Hamer Whitaker Hamer law firm there. The managing partners. Their pricing attorneys here in North Carolina. They have offices in Raleigh Garner Clayton Goldsboro Fuquay Marina and Gastonia.

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