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Uh In two thousand and five. I was lucky enough to be chosen to be the new President and Executive Director of the International Swimming Hall of Fame in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. And I'd always been had a fascination with Benjamin Franklin, who himself was a renowned swimmer during his lifetime. And one of the first things that I did at the International Swimming Hall of Fame was go into their rare book room where I found a book called The Art of Swimming by the great seventeenth century scientist Melchesidik Thieveneau. And in Franklin's autobiography, this is the book that he used to teach himself how to swim.
One of the great puzzles of history has been Benjamin Franklin, greatest research physicist and scientist of the eighteenth century. No scientific education. No education past the age of nine. It's been long overlooked about the influence of swimming on Benjamin Franklin. Swimming, as was presented in that book, is presented as physics, as fluid dynamics.
And then later in life, a kid with no science education whatsoever outside of this book. Which taught him about specific gravity and Archimedes' principles of buoyancy and flotation: positive buoyancy, negative buoyancy. and the impact of currents. And when Benjamin Franklin becomes recognized as the greatest research Scientist of the 18th century for his work in electricity. Three terms that he coined.
that we still use today are electrical current and positive and negative. And where did he get it from? He got it from swimming, his experience of swimming. And in the introduction to that book I read an amazing piece. It said that in modern times, referring to 1699, the greatest swimmers and divers in the world were the Africans and Native Americans.
It was for them. that our ladies owe their pearls. It's for them our merchants owe the recovery of treasure and merchandise and anchors lost at sea.
So I grew up in the 1950s, and at the time, You didn't see many black swimmers. Most people assumed that black people couldn't swim. Swimming was entirely segregated in the United States. But my very first swimming meet In the 1950s, it was at the Christian Street YMCA, which was formerly a colored Y.
So, this was: we swam against a team that was black, and the team that I was on, the Germantown YMCA, was part of the Philadelphia Swim Directors Society, which was. the first integrated swimming league in the United States.
So these formerly colored YMCAs, which were now just YMCAs, competed against the white Ys.
So the idea that blacks couldn't swim and that there wasn't part of a history was something that was foreign to me. And when I went into the Swimming Hall of Fame after reading this book, I said, where is this history? It doesn't seem to exist. It was all about the evolution of competitive swimming, which was something developed in Europe and it was purely a European sport and an Asian sport. The Japanese were great swimmers as well.
So, one of my first missions at the Swimming Hall of Fame was to rectify this absence of black swimming history.
So on the internet. Late at night when I wasn't doing the work to raise money and save the Hall of Fame. I started doing some searches. Negro swimming, negro drowning, I came across a reference to A trading card number 129, and the only description of it was. Negro Swimmer Toes Survivors It was part of a set of World War II commemorative cards.
A sort of patriotic version of baseball cards printed by a company out of Philadelphia, Gum Inc.
So it came with a, as you can imagine, with a piece of gum. And it was kind of a bonus to buy their gum. Uh There wasn't any picture on the card or any other reference, but on eBay, I found a number of Warb Gums cards for sale. but not number 129.
So, I contacted a few sellers and card collectors, and one was kind enough to send me a scan of the card, which showed a picture of a black man and shark fins out in the water, and a rope tied to a raft with a whole bunch of wounded sailors on it.
So, now I had some other keywords for my Google search: Solomon Islands, USS Gregory. French, mess attendant, and from there the story really took off. On ancestry.com and on newspapers.com. I found the service records, the enlistment records, which told more about this man named French. The Pittsburgh Courier, which was one of the national black newspapers at the time.
I mean, newspapers were segregated. Everything was segregated in the United States at that point in time. During the First World War, Woodrow Wilson segregated the Navy. Black people were no longer allowed to serve as officers or even sailors. They were relegated to service as mess men, stewards, and porters in the Navy.
Previous to this, starting back in the Civil War, where 25% of the Union Navy were African Americans, and they were officers and sailors, and some of them were heroes. all the way up until the First World War when Woodrow Wilson segregated the Navy. The story first came to light when Robert N. Adrian, a young ensign. Who was on the SS Gregory told a reporter from the Associated Press about how a powerful 22-year-old Negro mess attendant named French swam through shark-infested waters.
towing to safety a raft loaded of wounded seamen from the USS Gregory. A destroyer that had been sunk by Japanese naval gunfire near Guadalcanal. And you've been listening to Bruce Wigo tell the story of, well, a whole lot of things. burst his journey into swimming. and ultimately to the Swimming Hall of Fame.
And then to a story about Charles Jackson French. When we come back. More of this story. The story of an unknown hero in World War II here on Our American Stories. Lee Habib here, and I'm inviting you to help Our American Stories celebrate this country's 250th birthday, only a short time away.
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Here again is Bruce Wigo, the former CEO of the International Swimming Hall of Fame. Ensign Adrian was the only one on the bridge to survive and floated over into the water as the ship sank below him. He heard voices and found a life raft filled with twenty four wounded men. Adrian, though superficially wounded, was able to hang on. According to the press reports, he knew that if they floated to shore, we'd be taken as prisoners of war.
And then French. volunteered to swim the raft away from shore. He stripped off his clothes and asked for help to tie a rope around his waist so he could tow them to safety. Adrienne told him it was impossible, that he would only be giving himself up to the sharks, and French responded that he wasn't afraid. He was a powerful swimmer, and he swam all night six to eight hours until they were eventually rescued by a landing craft.
After the story appeared in the papers, Adrian repeated it on a national radio program and Gum printed the card. And the world began to learn more about the heroic efforts of Charles Jackson French. Through military records, it was recognized that he was actually a twenty three-year-old orphan from Foreman, Arkansas, who had moved to Omaha, Nebraska to live with his sister. and he enlisted in the Navy in 1937. The trading card described him as a human tugboat, and he received a warm welcome and a royal welcome from citizens of all races in Omaha, Nebraska after the story came out, and a high decoration was assured.
Finally, it was issued. It came in May of 1943 in the form of a letter. Of commendation from Admiral William Halsey, then commander of the Southern Fleet. The survivors felt that he deserved a higher tribute. possibly a Congressional Medal of Honor, at least the Silver Star or Navy Cross.
And then in 2009, I came across a book, Black Men and Blue Water. Written by Chester Wright. And in there was an interview with Charles Jackson French, who told his story. And I'm reading from directly from the book.
So after he told her the story of rescuing all these, then he changed from laughter to what the author had trouble discerning. It was anger, frustration, and tears. on questioning him after waiting a minute or two, French responded in a more subdued, angry voice. And I'll use the language that was directly from the book.
So I'm reading. This is not my parody. Uh When we were picked up and the hurt ones was taken to be worked on, we were taken to the rest camp with the others. I heard they came up with some of that wild race. You colored boy mess.
I was told you got to go over there with them colored boys to stay. And then some of them white boys, what was on the raft, and other sailors from the Gregory's crew said, He ain't going nowhere. He's a member of the Gregory's crew. And he damned well will stay right here with the rest of us. Anybody who tries to take him anywhere had been ready to get a beating and be ready to go to general quarters, meaning ready to fight, with all of us.
The boy who did all the talking was either from Alabama or Georgia, according to French.
So, for near on five minutes, there was a standoff. Us covered with oil and grime in our hair and all of our clothes. and dirtin' our eyes and them clean master of arms folks. We must have looked like wild men. Anyway, one of them, the master at arms, said Them fools mean it.
Just leave em alone. We got other folks to help. Them crackers retreated. and tucked their tails and left. The conversation with Charles Jackson French occurred shortly after the Korean War.
The author Chester White attempted to probe the cause for such intense emotion concerning the incident that happened years before. French's shoulders shook. Tears coursed down his cheeks, and all the author could get from him. was them white boys stood up for me. French, according to friends residing in San Diego, was claimed by alcoholism.
From close questioning of friends, it would appear that he returned from the Pacific War stressed out from seeing too much death and destruction.
So in telling this story, I first published it on Swimming World magazine and I believe Swim Swam, the two big internets on there. And then I get an email from a couple who were retired Navy. One was a Navy SEAL, and one was Chief Petty Officer, Kevin and Kim Mickna. Who read the article, and they had been wanting to recognize war heroes that maybe were unrecognized. and they picked up on the story and they started doing their own research.
And they came across the family of Ensign Robert Adrian, who was the first one to tell the story. Tonight, the thrilling story of Naval Ensign Robert M. Adrian, survivor of the U.S. destroyer Gregory, sunk in action off Guadalcanal. And there were newspaper articles about Adrian going on NBC Radio, telling the story of how this Negro seaman.
whose he only knew the name was Messman French. And now standing here beside me in the studio is Ensign Bob Adrian of Ontario, Oregon. Ensign Adrian, yours was certainly an unusual rescue. Yes, it was a pretty lucky break. And I can assure you that all the men on that raft are grateful to Mess Lieutenant French.
for his brave action off Glauda Canal at night. Alec, he certainly is a credit to the finest traditions of the Navy.
So The Micknis contacted the family of Robert Adrian, who had himself over the years been doing his best to get French recognized for what he had done.
So in the newspaper articles that I found French had been recommended for a higher honor, the Navy Cross or the Congressional Medal of Honor, by Captain Adrian on these NBC broadcasts and interviews. In any event, contacting the Micknus, contacting Judy Decker, the daughter of Captain Adrian, and other family members. Found that there was a record. That was given to Captain Adrian after his broadcast, where he told the story of French and they reenacted a dramatization of the events that led to the sinking of the Gregory.
Well, young, you just hold on, saddle I. I'll slip out of the rest of the fix your coat of mine. Yeah, there we are. Do you realize what a chance you're taking fair? These waters are full of sharks.
Keep their clothes. See? It's your only way of escaping in front. You just helped the time. This book around my middle.
I'm going to two with this one. And a boy, Prince. Here we are.
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This is actually So a really incredible feat of bravery. French described Later, that you know, he felt the fish under the water, the sharks, but uh, you know, they didn't like them. Apparently, they didn't like black meat. It's kind of uh French's response. And French also described that he'd rather be eaten by a shark than tortured by the Japanese.
So this story starts to take wings. The Olympic trials in 2021 were held in Omaha, Nebraska. Charles Jackson French's hometown.
So, reporter Steve Lewin from the Omaha Journal, Andrew Osaki from the television station in Omaha, picked up on this and. Created a little mini documentaries on WKET and wrote about it extensively. And a guy by the name of Malcolm Nance, I guess an author. forwarded the story on to Congressman Don Bacon of Omaha. And he picks up the idea and says, geez, we ought to do something about it, and came up with the idea of naming a post office after Charles Jackson French in Omaha, Nebraska, in the area where Charles Jackson French lived at the time.
And at the deadline for this, Senator Ben Sasse signs onto the bill. And so the bill passes. They're going to name the post office, but the Navy at this point also picks up. and names the rescue training pool at the Navy base in San Diego the Charles Jackson French Rescue Training Base. And they award him the Navy Cross, you know, 75 years after his historic event.
And Charles Jackson French I have to believe is one of the most inspiring stories of all. And a terrific job on the production and storytelling by our own Greg Hengler. And a special thanks to Bruce Weigo for sharing the story of an unknown American war hero, now known to you. And well, I love what he says about the risk he was taking. bringing his men away from the Japanese shorelines, I'd rather be eaten by a shark.
and tortured by the Japanese. And of course those white boys stood up for me, Charles Jackson French said. And of course Seventy-five years later, Charles Jackson French gets the Navy Cross.
Something he deserved. Right from the beginning. The story of Charles Jackson French as told by Bruce Wigo here. on Our American Stories. This is Julie Nettleman from Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules.
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