Share This Episode
Our American Stories Lee Habeeb Logo

Two Country Boys and the Making of a Harvard Legacy

Our American Stories / Lee Habeeb
The Truth Network Radio
December 17, 2025 3:01 am

Two Country Boys and the Making of a Harvard Legacy

Our American Stories / Lee Habeeb

00:00 / 00:00
On-Demand Podcasts NEW!

This broadcaster has 4501 podcast archives available on-demand.

Broadcaster's Links

Keep up-to-date with this broadcaster on social media and their website.


December 17, 2025 3:01 am

Two country boys rose to the highest heights of Harvard Yard, shaping generations of students with their devoted protégés, including future Supreme Court Justices. Meanwhile, a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep may cause breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation, affecting adults with obesity. An AI companion co-creates personalized story adventures with your child, while a classic HBCU vibe calls for an ice cold Coca-Cola.

YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE:
Connect with Skip Heitzig Podcast Logo
Connect with Skip Heitzig
Skip Heitzig
Faith And Finance Podcast Logo
Faith And Finance
Rob West
Living on the Edge Podcast Logo
Living on the Edge
Chip Ingram

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human. Hear that? That's what it sounds like when you plant more trees than you harvest. Work done by thousands of working forest professionals like Adam, a district forest manager who works to protect our forests from fires.

Keeping the forest fire-resistant synonymous with keeping the forest healthy, and we do that through planting more than we harvest and mitigate those risks through active management. It's a long-term commitment. Visit WorkingForestsInitiative.com to learn more. This is Sophie Cunningham from Show Me Something. Do you know the symptoms of moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea or OSA in adults with obesity?

They may be happening to you without you knowing. If anyone has ever said you snored loudly or if you spend your days fighting off excessive tiredness, irritability, and concentration issues, it may be due to OSA. OSA is a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep, which may cause breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation. Learn more at don't sleep on osa.com. This information is provided by Lilly, a medicine company.

Uh Coca-Cola. For the big. for the small. This short? and the tall.

Peacemakers. Risk-takers. For the optimus. Pessimists for long distance love. For introverts.

and extroverts. The thinkers and the doers. For old friends and new. Coca-Cola For everyone. Pick up some Coca-Cola at a store near you.

Mm-hmm.

So you're telling me that the AI that's meant to make everyone's job easier to manage? Just adds more to manage, on top of the thousands of apps the IT department already manages. Funny how that works. Any business can add AI. IBM helps you scale and manage AI to change how you do business.

Let's create Smarter Business. IBM. Mm-hmm.

Your pet is your bestie. Your therapist, your perfect match. It's easy to love them. It's easy to protect them, too, with pet insurance coverage from PetsBest. Because it's all fun and games until they chew on something they shouldn't.

And you get a vet bill to match. With perfect timing, PetsBest helps protect your furry friend and your budget from this imperfect world. Get up to 90% cash back on eligible vet bills from less than a dollar a day. PetsBest has plans to cover accidents, injuries, and more. From puppies and kittens to seniors.

Find your perfect match plan and get a quote at petsbest.com. Pet insurance products offered and administered by PetsBest Insurance Services LLC are underwritten by American Pet Insurance Company or Independence American Insurance Company. For terms and conditions, visit www.petsbest.com backslash policy. Products are underwritten by American Pet Insurance Company, Independence American Insurance Company, or MS Transverse Insurance Company and administered by PetsBest Insurance Services LLC. $1 a day premium based on 2024 average new policyholder data for accident and illness plans pets aged 0 to 10.

And we continue with our American stories. Amid the halls of Harvard Law, a professor of legend, James Bradley Thayer, shaped generations of students from 1874 to 1902. His devoted protégés include future Supreme Court Justices Holmes, Brandeis, and Hand. Just to name a few. This is the story of how two country boys rose to the highest heights of Harvard Yard.

their lives would have two dramatically different fates. Here to tell the story is Andrew Poorwancher. Andrew is a professor of legal history at Arizona State University. Let's take a listen. Um There was little in the childhoods of James Bradley Thayer and Chauncey Wright that suggested either of them was destined for the rarefied quads of Harvard Yard.

After all, in their world, The world of antebellum New England. The typical Harvard man belonged to what became known as the Boston Brahmin, the elite. of society. The sons of the Brahmin grew up in the fashionable neighborhood of Beacon Hill. They attended posh private schools.

They stood to inherit vast family fortunes. By contrast, James and Chauncey were born into modest circumstances in a small town in western Massachusetts, rural countryside. Against the odds, James would earn an endowed chair at Harvard Law, where he mentored future generations of Supreme Court justices. Chauncey would also come to teach at Harvard. Ranking among the most innovative and influential philosophers of his generation.

This Is the story of their improbable rise into the Brahmin stratosphere. and in equal measure. This is the story. of their enduring friendship. along the journey.

James and Chauncey were adolescents when they first met in the 1840s in Northampton, Massachusetts. a village of some 4,000 souls. Chauncey visited James's household often, sometimes staying for all three meals in a day. The two boys passed their days trekking across meadows and peeking into empty factories, and their exploration was intellectual as well. Between the ages of 11 and 22, they would school together, read together, discuss together.

When they were teenagers, Northampton experienced a strong religious revival. James later remembered how Chauncey remained relatively unaffected. showing early signs of his future philosophical vocation. In James's words Chauncey kept throughout an attitude of amused observation. A state of mind which had in it not merely the distrust or indifference of a Unitarian.

But the cool curiosity of a philosopher. Neither James nor Chauncey anticipated enrolling at the nexus of the Brahmin universe. Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass. James simply lacked the funds, and Chauncey lacked the support of his father to attend college at all. but a local town matriarch.

named Mrs. Ann Lyman. who had a well-earned reputation for helping local youth. changed both of their lives forever. Mrs.

Lyman contributed toward James's tuition. Outfitted his room with furniture, and even sewed shirts for him to wear in his new life. as a Harvard man. She was equally determined to see Chauncey take up a spot alongside James at Harvard. but there were obstacles for Hurricane clear to that end.

Of course, she first had to persuade Chauncey's father to let him attend college. and Chauncey presented complications all his own. The admissions test, which emphasized classical languages, was not exactly focused on the kinds of subjects that Chauncey thrilled to. Mrs. Lyman preemptively took measures to ensure that a low exam score would not preclude Chauncey's acceptance to Harvard.

When he and James appeared in Cambridge in the summer of eighteen forty eight for the entrance exam, They found that Mrs. Lyman had already arrived in Cambridge herself to petition the Harvard president on Chauncey's behalf. She told James, I have seen the President and said all I could for Chauncey. And I have no doubt he will get in. Uh Mrs.

Lyman's confidence proved well-founded, as Chauncey would indeed join James at Harvard. Chauncey, more than James, could readily be termed a genius. James once recalled, with a mix of admiration and envy, It grew more and more surprising to us to see how little he read and how much he knew. James was consistently the more productive. organized intelligent of the two.

Chauncey preferred to be adrift in thought. It turned out that assiduous work, more than raw genius, translated to a life of distinction. James ranked far higher than did Chauncey in their graduating class. Then, in their early adulthood, James steadily succeeded at legal practice.

Well, Chauncey proved irregular in his work. His sleep. and his diet. James married a proper Brahmin daughter. But Chauncey never married at all, Chauncey's recurring battles with depression and alcoholism kept him from realizing his full potential.

He was still brilliant, writing influential essays about philosophy for taste-making publications. He even taught at Harvard. But in contrast to James, who was graced with a named chair on the faculty of Harvard Law. Chauncey was tasked merely with the sporadic course. on a temporary basis.

James had reached the center. of the Brahmin circle. Chauncey only flirted with its edges. There was in eighteen seventy five When they were in their forties, that James's journey permanently deviated from Chauncey's. That summer James retreated to his summer home on Mount Desert Island, off the coast of Maine.

The island had been the site of numerous trips over the years for James and Chauncey. Under the summer skies, Chauncey would offer his characteristically eccentric musings, which James and other friends jokingly dubbed the Mount Desert philosophy. With James rejuvenating yet again in Mount Desert that summer, he looked forward to welcoming back. His old friend once more. James received a letter from Chauncey in early September indicating, quote, If I do not get from you any discouragement, I propose to go down by the Benger boat on Tuesday next.

James went to greet the banger boat's arrival at Mount Desert on the appointed day. But Chauncey was nowhere to be seen. and so James awaited the subsequent boat from Bangor. And again, Chauncey wasn't on it. James soon discovered why.

He recalled Instead of welcoming my friend, I opened the Boston paper. to read of his sudden death. and the date of the paper. was the day of his funeral. As it turns out.

Chauncey's landlord had discovered him unconscious, collapsed over his desk, the victim of a stroke likely induced by his drinking habit. He died. within a matter of hours. James was of course deeply bereaved. They had forged a friendship in boyhood that took them from the meadows of rural Massachusetts to the quads of Harvard Yard.

For decades, they studied, conversed, and explored together. Yet James managed to claim his stake in a Brahmin world that Chauncey never inhabited quite as fully. And now at the age of forty five. Chauncey. was suddenly No more.

As James poignantly mused, When his death came it brought to me the sad reflection That I had been for many years near a wisdom and a sweetness. Which I had but imperfectly appreciated. It was my oldest. and most intimate friend. That had gone.

Uh And a terrific job on the production editing and storytelling by our own Greg Hengler. And a special thanks to Andrew Poorwancher. and he is a Jack Miller Center Fellow. This story is adapted from his book, The Prophet of Harvard Law. The Jack Miller Center is a nationwide network of scholars and teachers dedicated to educating the next generation about America's founding principles in history.

To learn more, visit jackmillercenter.org. The story of the Harvard's Country Boys here on Our American Stories. This is Sophie Cunningham from Show Me Something. Do you know the symptoms of moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea, or OSA, in adults with obesity? They may be happening to you without you knowing.

If anyone has ever said you snored loudly or if you spend your days fighting off excessive tiredness, irritability, and concentration issues, it may be due to OSA. OSA is a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep, which may cause breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation. Learn more at don'tsleep on OSA.com. This information is provided by Lilly, a medicine company. Then the space hamster flew his hot air balloon all the way to the bottom of the ocean.

Where did that story come from? Book? Dream? Nope, it came from a conversation. Meet Miko Mini Plus, the AI companion that co-creates personalized story adventures with your child in real time.

What color was the hamster's cape? And what did he pack for lunch? Unlock your child's imagination. Discover Miko Mini Plus and the magic of AI exclusively at Costco. With Venmo Stash, a taco in one hand, and ordering a ride in the other.

Means you're stacking cash back. Nice. Get up to 5% cash back with Venmo Stash on your favorite brands when you pay with your Venmo debit card. From takeout to ride shares, entertainment and more, pick a bundle with your go-to's and start earning cash back at those brands. Earn more cash when you do more with Stash.

Venmo Stash Terms and Exclusions apply. Max $100 cash back per month. See terms at venmo.me slash stash terms. What a matchup we got, y'all. This is that classic HBCU vibe.

Non-stop action, the bed is rocking and the crowd lit. Chants echo, drumbeat, everybody showing that school pride. Game like this? Yeah, it calls for an ice cold Coca-Cola. Ah, crisp and refreshing.

That's a game changer right there. No. Mm yeah. That taste always hits the right note, just like a band at halftime. And just like that, we're back at it.

Passionate fans, school colors everywhere, and an ice cold Coca-Cola, that's a winning combo. No matter the sport, no matter the yard, everybody knows. Fan work is thirsty work, so grab a Coca-Cola and keep that HBCU pride going. Amazon Five-Star Theater presents real customer reviews performed by Ed Helms. Tonight's review, Tactical Jacket.

I was living a simple life. Didn't get out much. Then. I bought this jacket. And everything changed.

Women came flocking to me from lands domestic and foreign. On the 245-day sailboat voyage home, I was attacked by a shark. I knew it was the jacket he was after. Giving up the jacket in exchange for my life. Five stars.

Amazon Customer 69. Shop the perfect gift this holiday on Amazon. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human. Mm-hmm.

Get The Truth Mobile App and Listen to your Favorite Station Anytime