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That's easy. Also, just direct your email to info at karm.org and put in the subject line radio comment or radio question to get to them. All right, just as a heads up, if you want me to speak out there, I'm going to be going to Raleigh area in August 15th, 16th, 17th of this year. I will be speaking at a conference, so if you're interested in checking it out, I'll be putting more information into the page on KARM as it becomes available. I've been asked early to go and they haven't released all the information on the website where it's going to be done, but I said yeah. Anyway, if you're interested in checking it out, what I do have, just go to karm.org forward slash nc for North Carolina. That's all.

It'll direct you and update you to the place with the basic information of what it is right there. All right, all right, all right, all right. Now, I also released some articles today on Eastern Orthodoxy stuff I've been researching and doing a lot of research on Eastern Orthodoxy. And the reason is because I'll be doing some videos. In fact, this evening I want to work and get in the video room, get set up again.

I haven't done any for a while. And I want to start exposing some of the heresies inside the Eastern Orthodox Church. I've already done a lot on the Roman Catholics. The EO, Eastern Orthodox Church, has been growing and people are jumping on board with it, which to me is just dumbfounded. Why would you do that? Anybody who looks and learns their doctrines, why are you doing that?

Because it's just whacked. It's not good stuff. So I've been doing a lot of research and I released, let's see, two or three articles today on, let's see, the Confessions of Dostoethius from 1672. It's an official document and it is, well, if you were to go there on the Karm site, it's not a big deal. Well, what I did on that confession is I highlighted some stuff. I reproduced it. It's public domain, so I can copy it. And I put it up on the Karm site. I'll probably be linking to it. I could do some more work on that and update some of my other stuff.

But at any rate, you can scroll through it and you can see some of the areas that I highlighted by underlining, but also in different colors. For example, in Decree 9, it says we believe that no one can be saved without faith. By faith, we mean the right notion that it is, excuse me, that is in us concerning God and divine things, which working by love, that is to say by keeping the divine commandments, justifies us with Christ.

And so, you know, stuff like this, where it teaches works righteousness. To me, it's dumbfounding. And it is impossible for their church to be deceived or to teach falsehood.

It's just impossible. So basically what it means is anything we tell you is what it is. It's the truth.

So that just gets me going. So anyway, you can check that out. I also released some articles, just a list of quotes, because I like documentation for things. So what does the Eastern Orthodox Church say about the Eucharist, about Mary, and about icons? I released four articles today.

I was pretty busy today. So what it says about icons, and you can go there and see the documentation from official churches and stuff. And, you know, like they're painting on wood and other material. An icon is an image that is venerated. You keep them in poems. They're blessed by a priest. They represent saints who are intercessors. Venerations to icons is not idolatry. So they have just a lot of stuff that they say, and the wonders pour out from the icon of Mary. And mercy is bestowed to the icon of Mary.

It's just a brother. Get these pictures on wood. Then they're blessed by a priest.

Okay, you ready? Now we can have mercies come through them. Here, just hold it up.

Just sit there and look at them. Mercy's coming through you. You know, so much heresy, so little time. Let's get to Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome buddy.

You're on the air. Hi Matt. Yeah, today I was wanting to discuss Josephus, the Jewish historian. And one thing that got my attention was the antiquities of the Jews. And I guess a couple of passages, he briefly mentions a famous person described as Jesus, who he called a wise man who performed wonderful works. And he was crucified by Pilate. And I believe he mentions James as the brother of Christ. Now, from what I understand, Josephus was not a believer, but more of a historian. But would it be okay to look at someone of his stature as an extra biblical proof text? Okay, a proof text is the word proof. A supporting text is certainly fine. Proof is different.

Proof is for logic and mathematics. And what I would suggest is that, I've got to put something here, I forgot something to do something here. Hold on one sec.

I've got to put a microphone in my ear. There we go. There we go.

All right. So, it's not a proof text, it's just supporting evidence because he was around in the first century, the latter part of the first century. His writings are generally considered to be reliable and informative. They reflect the history, culture, politics, theology of the time. And so, it's just one of the supporting evidences that Jesus did exist. And that's how I would view it. Okay.

Okay, yeah. And that is more appropriate to say supporting text. Now, him not being a believer, would that have any significance at all? Because would that kind of dictate how someone reports based on whether they believe or not believe?

Or what would you say to that? Because for me, it kind of, it just verifies that there was a Jesus Christ and there was a James. And there was enough there for someone to recognize that something out of the ordinary happened, whether someone's a believer or not.

Yes, well said. Because he was not a Christian and he wrote and he was a historian that wrote a lot of stuff, called the antiquities, a lot. It adds credibility because he wasn't personally involved.

He didn't have a dog in the fight. He just wrote a lot of stuff. Now, there's been some issues about some of his statements being disputed, but it's worth research and things like that. A lot of times people will say they're going to find whatever reason they can to deny certain quotes when they start talking about like what you said. You did miracles and did stuff like this as a test. So it's not proof, but it's definitely supportive evidence.

All right. This might be kind of a loaded question, but are there any other extra biblical supporting, reports that I can use for a time to inform someone who may not be a believer? Any that you would recommend.

I'm sure there's lots of them, but any you would recommend. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Let's see. One of the books you could get, it just has a lot of documentation, is Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell. It's just full of information. So that's one of the books that basically Christians should have in their bookshelf. Now, there are different kinds.

Maybe Charlie's going to put some, he often does that, links. I'm trying to find, there's other church fathers that mention him as well. An early, sorry, I'm trying to research, read a little bit while I'm trying to remember. So there are other quotes from very early on about Jesus. Now, they're 100 or 200 years later, and people will say, well, that doesn't count because it means that they just heard stuff, they wrote what they heard, and they weren't really there. So the things you want to look at are the words of Polycarp, who's a disciple of John, and then the Didache, D-I-D-A-C-H-E, and that's written in the year 60 to 70 A.D., a time when the apostles were still alive. So there's mentions of Christ in there and varying works. You can go to CARM, and you can look for the article, New Testament Figures Attested to in Other Historical Sources. There's that, and then there's Biblical Archaeology Review, which is a website which will also produce lots of documentation for verification of Old Testament events, names, and things like this that have been uncovered in stone tablets here and there, and books, ancient scrolls, and stuff like that from different sources. So there's a lot of evidence out there.

All right, well, thank you. I really appreciate it, and I definitely want to dig further into Josephus' writings. I think they're interesting to me. They're not Scripture, but I find the history to be something that's more being studied. Yes, it is, and I've written on Josephus and did a response to one of the criticisms about some of his work, and I did that years ago. So it's there, so if you were to go to CARM and type in Josephus, you'll find documentation, you'll find some stuff, and maybe it'll point you to some better resources. But I do recommend that you get evidence that demands a verdict by Josh McDowell.

It's just a standard. It's a brilliantly written, researched work, so I recommend that. Okay? All right. Thank you very much, man. I appreciate it. Hey, man, any time, buddy. Keep calling back. All right. Hey, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276.

I want to hear from you. Give me a call, and if you want to email me, that's easy to do as well. All you have to do is send an email to info at CARM.org, info at CARM, C-A-R-M, dot O-R-G, and put in the subject line radio comment, radio question, one of those, and then we can get to it. Let's get to Bill from North Carolina. Bill, welcome. You're on the air. Thank you.

I got back in. We were talking last night about the Holy Spirit, and I was asking you various questions about people saying you have to clean yourself up or you have to ask the Holy Spirit, and we clean that up. Let me ask you one other thing. About the Holy Spirit, some people say you can lose it. Can you lose it? Yes, some people say you can lose it.

You're like, I'm going to take my wife out tonight. There goes the Holy Spirit gone. No, you can't lose your salvation. It's a debate within Christianity. Some Christians believe you can lose your salvation.

Others do not. And if you can lose your salvation. Okay, well, what I'm more interested in is what does the Bible say?

A lot of people say a lot of different things, but I'm interested in one thing. What does God say about it? I mean, the Bible is God's word.

If he says it, then I believe I can put my money on it. Well, what I would suggest is you go to John chapter 6. In fact, we've got a break coming up, so hold on.

We'll get to it right after the break, and I'll show you where the Bible teaches you cannot lose your salvation. Okay? Be right back after these messages. Folks, please stay tuned. Everybody, welcome back to the show.

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And you are welcome to check it out. All right, let's get back on with Bill from North Carolina. Bill, are you there? I'm here. All right, so I'm going to show you in the Bible, you cannot lose your salvation, according to what Jesus said, okay? You ready? Okay.

All right. So in John 6, 37 through 40, Jesus says, all that the Father gives Me will come to Me. This is not saying all who come to Me, the Father will then give them to Me. No, it says all the Father gives Me will come to Me. The ones who come to Christ do so because the Father gave them to the Son.

That's what we have to understand right there. And Jesus says the one who comes to Me I certainly will not cast out. For I have come now from heaven not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that all that He has given Me, I lose nothing but raise it upon the last day. So Jesus says the will of the Father is that all whom the Father has given Him, He doesn't lose any.

Now, some people say, well, you're going to lose yourself, which is stupid, okay, because it's just not what the text says. It says all that the Father gives Me will come to Me. So there's a group who are the given ones, so to speak, and the will of the Father is that Jesus raise them up so that Jesus would not lose any. So it's not about you losing yourself because if you lose yourself, which is a dumb thing to say, try and make it say what they want it to say in this text, if that's the case, then Jesus lost you. The issue here is not between the person and Jesus. It's between the Father and Jesus.

That's the issue. The will of the Father is that Jesus not lose any. So Jesus cannot fail to do the will of the Father or He cannot lose any. And He says in verse 40, For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds his Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day. So the will of the Father is that everyone who believes in Jesus is going to be raised up. And the ones who are raised up are the ones who believe, and he won't be lost. This is proof text right here that you cannot lose your salvation. Okay? Right. Well, now, John 3.16 talks about, let me just leave on him, so my prayers will ever last in life.

So if it ever lasts in life, then you can't. I would just use that one verse because I don't know a whole lot of, most people are far beyond where I'm at, you know. Yes, that's a good verse. But I would like to read the Bible and see what it says, because so many people are saying so many different things.

They are, yeah, they are. But, see, what you did is good. You went to John 3.16, because eternal life will never perish. But Jesus says that again in John 10.28. I'll give eternal life to them and they will never perish. So Jesus equates eternal life with never perishing. So what some people do is they're going to say, well, you can perish anyway.

Okay. Then what I'll do with them is I'll say, okay, let's look at this idea that you can perish. So how do you lose your salvation? And they'll give me some things you do to lose it. And I'll say then, how do you keep your salvation? Tell me the things you've got to do to keep yourself saved.

And they'll give me a list of things to do. And I ask them, how does that not work to righteousness? How are you not keeping yourself right with God by your goodness? Isn't that what you're saying? And you can't. That's right, you can't.

There's nothing you can do, because if we could fix ourselves up then we wouldn't need Jesus. That's right. That is right. Okay. I'm going to have to have somebody to go to that. I'm glad you're coming to Raleigh, because I live here. I'm going to try to go out and see you when you do come.

But you can tell us more about it down the road, because it's a good way to go. Yeah, it is. It's in August. And the church, let's see. Whoops, not that. Let me see. It should be just this.

Come on, not that. There we go. The church I'll be speaking at with others is in Kannapolis. And that's City Kannapolis. Oh, City Kannapolis.

Yeah, I know where Kannapolis is. Okay. It's a good way for me to... That's down part of Western. It's probably even an hour or two to me.

But I might still get there. Yeah, it'd be nice to see people. I like to see people who are from the radio and done that before.

It's a lot of fun. And then I hope to go to Winston-Salem to see the... Winston-Salem, yeah. I know where Winston-Salem is, yeah. I was there about two weeks ago. Yeah, and the radio station is there. I'll have to try to get there, yeah.

If I have to spend the night in the hotel or something. Okay. Well, let's keep talking to you. I'm gonna try to go on. I don't have vision enough to do the computer and all that stuff. I don't have the talking stuff.

That stuff is expensive. But I'm gonna try to get somebody there. I got a friend that helped me with going on to read some of your stuff that you got on there. Calm.org.

Calm.org, yes. Yeah, and I think I probably could learn a whole lot. I know a lot of people probably learn a whole lot more than that. But learning is whatever time and effort you put into it, you know.

That's true. A lot of time and effort, yep. And I love doing it, love doing the research and telling people what I find. Yeah, well, if you've done the research, I guess I could spend the time reading it.

Hopefully. Yeah. Well, thank you for your time. I always get up here every night, but I appreciate what I've already heard. Well, good.

Well, good. I hope you keep listening. I will.

Yeah, and I'm trying to figure out – I'll be there in a minute, as my wife calls me in the back. I'm trying to figure out a way to support you. You said, you know, we could support you, so I'll have to figure that out.

I'll have to get somebody to help me, but – because I don't have vision enough to do a whole lot of that stuff, but I got friends that can help me here. Well, okay. It would be good – anything getting the truth out, because, man, there's so much stuff and garbage out there, you know. You got that right. I like what you're doing.

There's a lot. Let me tell you, I like what you're doing. So you keep on doing what you're doing.

By God's grace, giving it a go. All right. Yep. Okay. Well, you have a good night. Bye-bye. You too. You got this. All right. So if you want to give me a call, it is easy, just dial 877-207-2276.

There's the music. If you want to give me a call during the break, please do, 877-207-2276. Be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome to the show.

We have nobody waiting on line. If you want, you can give me a call, 877-207-2276. Now, I got a question for you guys out there.

All right. Here's a question. Should the Bible itself be read in churches? Should the Bible be read by people, the average person? Should the Bible be read in churches in the language of whatever country you're in, the common language of the place and time? Should you be able to hear the Bible spoken in your words, your language that you understand, wherever you are? I'd say, well, of course. Makes sense to me. If I go to Mexico and I'm at a church in Mexico, I would expect people to speak Spanish and to read scripture in Spanish, or in Greece, in Greek.

Not a big deal. The reason I'm asking is because the confession of 1672, the Council of Jerusalem, Dosephus. What it says is a question. This is an official document. What it says in this Eastern Orthodox official document that tells the doctrine, question one, scripture, should divine scriptures be read in the vulgar tongue? That means the common language by all Christians. The answer is really interesting.

No. Because all scripture is divinely inspired and profitable, we know, and necessarily so, that without it is impossible to be orthodox at all. Nevertheless, they should not be read by all, but only by those who, with the fitting research, have inquired into the deep things of the Spirit and to know in what manner the divine scriptures ought to be searched and taught and finally read. Now, another way of saying that is very simple. No, they should not be read by the common people.

They should only be read and interpreted by people who've been brainwashed in the Eastern Orthodox Church to tell you that that's what it means. Don't think for yourself. All right. So, yeah.

It always gets me, you know. People always put these barriers to the word of God. Jesus says, come to me. He says, come to me.

So you go to him. And yet people say, oh, you can't read the word. You can't have it read in church in the common language. Well, the common person, they can't do that.

It's got to be in some special language by special people who tell you what especially means. You're going to trust them. Why? Because they've got robes on and they're made of silver and gold. And they have these things with the smoke coming out of them.

And they have a priesthood that goes way back and back and back. And so they'll tell you what it really means. Just trust them.

Just trust them. Let's get to Cole from Georgia. Cole, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, how you doing, Matt? Hangin' in there.

Hangin' in there, man. What do you got, buddy? I got a question. I'm actually reading a number and I was wondering when God told Aaron and the priest, right, Moses, Aaron, well, particularly Aaron and his sons.

Yeah. Okay, he told them, you know, if they offered strange fires that he would kill them. He actually killed two of his sons. But my question, my real question is the vessels. He says, he told me, he says, don't mess with those vessels or at least you should die. So what was so special about the vessels?

The vessels, you know, off the top of my head, I don't know. I'd have to know the exact verse you're talking about and go look at it. Yeah, it's in Numbers, I believe Numbers 15, chapter 15, I believe it was then, 15 or 16. God told him, he told Aaron, he says, don't touch those vessels on the tabernacle table. He says, or at least you die, you know.

And then it's strange fires. Let's see if I can find, I want to find the verses, okay. Moses, this is in Numbers 16, Moses went and with the elders of Israel, he spoke to the congregation saying, depart now from the tents of these wicked men and touch nothing that belongs to them. So nothing, that's not it.

Touches the corpse, touches the corpse, nope. So I... The vessels, it was the vessels. Well, I'm looking in the area, you said, how about this in Numbers 4, when Aaron and his sons had finished covering the holy objects and all the furnishings of the sanctuary, when the camp is set out, is to set out, after that the sons of Qohoth shall come to carry them so that they will not touch the holy objects and die. Is that what you're talking about?

No, that's not it, but that could be the same thing. But yeah, no, he said specifically the vessels, the vessels. And I was wondering, well, what's so special about the vessels? I need to know the verse.

Hold on, hold on, wait, wait, wait. I need to know the verse. So when you call up and you have a question about something generically, sometimes I know the answer, but when something like this is very specific, a specific verse is very helpful, I can jump right to it. But generically speaking, the vessels in the temple are sanctified and set apart for holy use. And the reason I would think, top of my head, that people were killed for touching them inappropriately, that doesn't sound to come out right, touching them without the requisite cleansing and calling is because they represent the holiness of God and because the blood of Christ had not yet been offered, the cleansing had not yet occurred, so they had to go through the priesthood and they had to do it a certain way. If they didn't do it the right way, they'd be killed. Because the wrath of God can only be appeased through the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ. So I think that's really what's going on.

But I have to look at a specific thing and stuff like that. Yeah, I got to find that verse because he told Aaron, he said at least you die. And Aaron's the priest. He told Aaron. I have to find it. One more question before I let you go.

Yeah, that would be helpful. The straight fire. What was that all about when the two sons offered straight fire?

What was that all about in your opinion? Well, that's in Leviticus chapter 10, okay? And so they were offering an improper sacrifice. All right. Okay.

That was it. Oh, they offer, that's what a straight fire is? Yeah, it's an improper sacrifice that's offered. It's not done right. And there's issues.

It's an unauthorized improper offering made. In Leviticus 10, it talks about it. Yeah, he killed two of Aaron's sons, didn't he? I believe so, yeah. So, yeah. Okay, so that's where it is. Well, the thing about that, I think maybe the closer you get to God, the more accountable you are. That's what I think, you know, because they were so close. They didn't have room for Aaron, is what I'm saying. You think that's where it is, Matt?

No. That certain commands of God are to be followed, particularly when it comes into the issue of sacrifice, because the Old Testament sacrifices are very particular and they ultimately pointed to the sacrifice of Christ. And so it had to be followed very strictly because only the true sacrifice of Christ could save. And the Old Testament sacrifices were representations of the true sacrifice.

So if it's done improperly, without the proper priesthood, without the proper sacrificial cleansing with the blood, in order to do all this, then judgment comes upon them. That's what I would say. Okay? Oh, they didn't do it properly.

Yeah. Yeah, well, God killed a lot of people. He killed a lot of people. There was a lot of times when God was going to kill them and Moses and Aaron said, Don't do it.

Don't do it. And God says, God thought about it. He says, Okay, well, he said, you know, you got to look back at Egypt.

You got to look at your rock down here. And then you killed him in the middle of the world. He said, you think about it, God, you got to look back. And God said, God, I don't know if God thought about it, but he says he changed his mind.

Because he was going to kill him and tell Moses, I'm going to make up people out of you. He says, I'm going to kill all of them. Get out of the way. He says, Move. And Moses said, No, God, don't do that. He said, it's going to look bad for you. You're going to look bad.

God, don't do it. Am I right? Yeah, basically. Yeah. Okay. So I'm smiling. Yeah, and look, when you have questions, you need to know the exact verse so that I can with stuff like that.

So I can go look and see what the context is so I can hopefully represent it properly. Oh, yeah. Okay, well, maybe maybe I'll get the word out.

Look it up and go back. I'm actually reading the numbers and maybe I'll call you tomorrow. Sounds good. All right. Sounds good. Okay, brother. Thanks a lot. Okay. No problem. Sounds good.

Sounds good. All right. Hey, folks.

Wow. We'll be right back after these messages. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it's 877-207-2276. Let's get to Patrick from Charlotte, North Carolina.

Welcome. You're on the air. Hello, Matt. This is Patrick. How are you doing?

I'm doing good. You know, you ask a question, should the Catholic Church let you be able to read the Bible? I think the reason they don't allow you to read the Bible is because they've got such a pedigree of over 2,000 years of people who studied it for you, you don't need to read the Bible because they know the truth. Yeah, they don't know the truth. They've had 2,000 years to go apostate. They're not true. The Catholic Church is not a true church. Yeah, it's not a true church. Okay, I'm going to ask you a question.

Is CARM an open-source website where other people can write articles also? No, absolutely not. Why is that? Why won't you let anybody else get their interpretation? Because a lot of people don't know what they're doing, don't understand theology, don't understand what the truth is. It's the same reason the Catholic Church doesn't want you to read the Bible out loud. You can go home and read the Bible as a Catholic, but you're not allowed to stand up and read it in front of everybody, because you may not know it.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Reading the Bible is different than articles on CARM. The Bible tells us to be convinced in our own mind, in Romans 14.5. It tells us to check the Scriptures, and they did that in Acts 17.11. They're noble-minded for checking things about the Scriptures. So that is not forbidden.

But the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church had forbidden these things. Now the reason I don't let people work on CARM who aren't just to write is because they're not qualified. I want people to have trustworthiness in the site. We don't want heretics like you or Catholics or Eastern Orthodox or Mormons writing so that people will then be deceived and then end up going to hell. I'm not going to contribute to that. So you would consider yourself a prophet almost? No.

Nope. I mean, then why won't... So you do know the truth. What you say is, you know, I just don't understand because a few weeks ago you said you're still thinking about baptism. You haven't figured it out, but you wrote 30 articles on it. No, no, no, no, no, no.

I said baptism as a covenant sign and what the parameters of the covenant requirements and system are related to it as a replacement of circumcision. Those are the details that I haven't worked out yet. Okay. Yeah, but you yourself haven't actually figured it out, right? Right. I don't know everything. Right. Right. And I think you've misunderstood baptism because the baptism of Jesus was for John the Baptist to complete his testimony.

The water baptism doesn't exist today. And that's something that I would like to write an article on, Carmabel. Well, you could write an article on some other place and then sometimes what I do is take, if the article's worth it, I'll go in and shred it like putting in a meat grinder.

Just chew it up like one of those, you know, those chips, the things that you... What do they call those things? Those things that take branches and just... You're the only one who can interpretate it. No, I'm not the one who can interpret the Word of God. But you deny the Trinity. You deny the deity of Christ. You're not a true Christian. Well, I think the same thing to you.

I think Calvinists are not a Christian. Okay. But I'm just wondering your question. I think the same reason you won't, you know, take anybody else's advice is the same reason the Catholic Church doesn't allow you to read the Bible. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

You see, you keep changing the parameters. Like, I don't take anybody's advice. That's not true. Okay, that's not true.

You'll listen to it, but you won't. I'm sorry, what? I'm saying that...

Okay, let's go back to baptism. You're breaking up. What? You're breaking up a lot. You're breaking up. What? Pat, you're robotting. Pardon? You're robotting, man.

You're breaking up. Okay. Can't understand. Try it again.

You're either walking or driving or something. Can't understand you. Can you hear me good now? I hear you better.

Yeah, go ahead. Better? Okay.

Well, like, one thing that you say. You say that Jesus was baptized to become the high priest. I don't believe that.

Scripture says that John was sent to be a witness and testify, and John did testify when he baptized Jesus, saying that this is the Son of God, and that's what most Christians don't understand, is water baptism was only for John the Baptist. Yeah, you have no clue. You have no clue. If you go to Acts chapter 10, this is after the ascension of Jesus, after all this stuff, Peter says, surely no one can refuse the Watcher for these to be baptized to receive the Holy Spirit. There, I just proved you wrong. Okay.

This is why we would let people like you ride on car. That's why Paul came to correct Peter's mistake in Galatians 2.14. Paul opposed Peter to his face. Why aren't you in line with the Gospel, Peter? It wasn't the issue about baptism. It wasn't baptism. It was about baptism. No, it wasn't.

It was, yeah. No, no, no. So I just showed you in Acts 10 where they were baptized with water. Okay. I showed it to you. No, no. You have to understand that Peter was referring to the old baptism ceremonial washing, not believers' baptism.

And you have to understand that they had received the Holy Spirit. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You do this a lot. And other people like you do this.

You just make a heretical statement and you keep trying to bury it. Let me finish. Okay, put you on hold.

Put you on hold. Okay, this is what they do a lot. I've had so many thousands of conversations like this over the years. They get to the point where they don't listen. They just puke out more heresy.

And they say a heretical statement and they go on and instead of letting it be cross-examined when you stop them, they just continue to puke out more crud. So he's incorrect. He doesn't know what he's talking about. This way if you guys don't know, but I've had many, many discussions with him. And he denies the essentials of the Christian faith.

He's not a true Christian. So let's try it again and see if he can be more polite. Are you still there?

Yes, I'm here. Okay. So water baptism is in the New Testament after the time of Christ. All right? There you go. No. After an act, you have to believe then that water baptism, Believer's Baptism didn't start until after the resurrection, right?

Well, let's work with that. At resurrection and then in Acts 10, which is well after the resurrection, Peter says get the water for them to be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit. They're true believers.

Right. The believers received the Holy Spirit. They were saved. But Peter, acting like a Jew, went against the vision he had. God told Peter, never see anything done clean, and I said, clean. Yeah. And in Acts 8, 38, it says, and he ordered the chariot to stop. They went both down into the water, Philip, as well as the eunuch, and he baptized them in the water. Okay.

If you believe Ethiopian eunuch had to get water baptized, that proves that water baptism is a salvational thing. No. That's a different topic. See, you switched topics, okay?

This is a problem. No, I'm telling you that. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. We're done. I don't have much tolerance for them.

It's ridiculous. Let's get to Chris from New Jersey. Chris, welcome. You're hot in the air. Hi there.

How are you? Fine. Just, you know, dealing with a pretty bad heretic. Oh, yeah, it sounds like it. Quick question.

I know we've only got a few minutes. When the disciples ask Jesus, can we sit at your right and left hand, and Jesus responds to them, are you going to be able to drink the cup that I drink? Are you going to be able to have the same baptism that I am? What is he meaning by the baptism there? It means the trauma and the persecution to come.

That's what it means. Baptism does not always mean just water. Baptism can have different senses. Absolutely.

I did an article on that. I was wondering if that was in reference to, because I heard you talk about on the radio before, how when Jesus was baptized that it was to fulfill the law, that he was entering into the priesthood. Yes, that's what I believe. Is that possibly in reference to the disciples then becoming priests at that point or something?

No. Or am I way off? There's only four mentions of priesthood and priestly service in the New Testament. One is of Zeus. The other is of the Old Testament style priests in the temple. The other one is the priesthood of Christ and the priesthood of all believers. So that's all that is going on there with the new priesthood. So we say priest, the Eastern Orthodox Roman Catholic Church, for example, have an Old Testament style priesthood where they repeatedly offer sacrifices for the cleansing of sin. That's an Old Testament system. So the New Testament priest is by Christ who offered a sacrifice of himself once. It's done.

So that's what the priesthood is according to the New Testament. Okay. Okay. Okay.

That makes sense. Okay. Yeah.

I saw that and I just was kind of confused there for a second, but thank you for clearing that up. Sure. No problem at all. No problem at all. Okay. Thank you. Sure. All right. So one of the things I like to do as a nerd, theology nerd, is I like to take a word.

I can't believe I'm saying this publicly. I like to take a Greek word and look at every instance of how it's used in the New Testament and categorize it and then do percentages and analysis. Yeah, I know. I got it bad.

I got issues. I did this with the issue of baptism and I found that baptism can mean, let's see, a name, the word bapt, okay, the name of John the Baptist, and it could be of John, the act of baptism, baptism for repentance. It could be for forgiveness. It could be for the dead. It can be with the Holy Spirit, with water, baptism of tribulation, baptism is considered washing and cleansing, and then there's places where it's nondescript and then there's usages of baptism formula.

And so if you were to go to CARM and you were to look up, let's see, I think it's under the apologetic section, and look up tables and word analysis, tables and word analysis. So I did that in regard to baptism and found out that it has a wide variety of meanings. It can mean cleansing of hands, baptism of tribulation in Mark 10, 38, and let's see, Luke 12, 50, washings, and in Hebrews 9, 50, 9, 10, excuse me, and the context of washings there is sprinklings, believe it or not, and stuff like that.

And I can go on and on. I love to talk about baptism because it's interesting, and over my studies over the years I've discovered a lot of what people say about baptism just simply isn't in the Bible. It always means immersion in water. No, it does not.

It can, maybe, but it doesn't always mean what they think. And if you want to challenge me on that, call back tomorrow and we can just talk about it and have a nice little calm conversation and I can show you verses and stuff like that. People go, oh, yeah, you're right. Hey, there's the music. I am out of here. May the Lord bless you. May His grace be back on here tomorrow and we'll talk to you then. Have a great evening, everyone. God bless. Another program powered by the Truth Network.